Update: After a couple of hours of searching I managed to find the missing piece. With the help of a bit of masking tape it is now back in the rifle where it should be!
Mate u have got to be a newbie with co air guns so im going to explain something to you .....i use to work at crossman air guns long time ago and learned any air gun co2 u have to use crossman pelligun oil which is a red oil everytime u put a new co2 in so the first co2 u put in smear a bit on end and this keeps the seals lubricated when u puncture the first co2 as u tighten the co2 plunger.....it dried out over time co2s will do that and why it started leaking your seals were dry was all....after seeing the internals on this not impressed with the design at all that thin tube that goes from the co2 pressurizer to valve in receiver will eventually start leaking around either end.....just not a good design to be honest
@@DraconusDevStudio I always use a drop of silicone oil on the end of the C02 cartridges as recommended by the manufacturer. So I don't think that was the reason. I do agree with you about the design, not the best.
I have converted mine to .22 today because the original barrel broke Still have to get a new valve spring to balance the power what else would you recommend?
Thanks to this video, I was able to take apart and repair a leaking O ring where the brass tube goes into the CO2 pressure chamber in the buttstock. After disassembling it and looking at the parts, I discovered the original O ring had hardened and wasn't sealing properly. A new O ring, put it all back together, and it works flawlessly. Thanks for the help, mate. couldn't have done it without you. for those wondering, I've had the rifle for a couple years with no leaks, and used it a lot in that time. in this case, the leak started after it got carelessly knocked over a couple times. This can cause the buttstock to slightly bend to the right or the left, which can unseat that brass tube and O ring where it goes into the pressure chamber. an old hard O ring won't conform back to the tube when that happens, and then you get a leak. It's an easy fix, if you have some really small O rings and this video to show you how to get it apart.
Glad that you found it useful. I shall take note of what you said about the O ring in the butt stock pressure chamber, in case I get another leak. I had the rifle about 15 months before the leak developed.
Handy video buddy, thanks for taking the time to make a video. The question of why there's a mixture of slotted and philip screw heads is an easy one, the slotted ones are the ones you can obviously see when the guns together (in keeping with the real Winnie) and the hidden ones are all self tapping philips that you'll only see once you start to disassemble. You've done a grand job though buddy 🙂
Thanks. Just thought it might be useful to anyone else having the same problem. That makes sense regarding the screws, I should have thought of that! Cheers.
I wonder if Umerex have any plans to rifle and pcp this ? I think there are some pcp cowboy rifles, but they’re not as close as this. Thnx for the vid.
After I got the stock off. The piercer was screwed in just fine. I was able to unscrew it and screw it in without no problems. That was without a cylinder in it. I was told by the umarex company that you were only supposed to use umarex CO2 cylinders . The Umarex co2 cylinders was longer than the rest so could that be the problem? I uses co2 crossman cylinders.
Well good news that the thread wasn't damaged. I have heard that the neck of the CO2 cartridges do vary slightly between manufacturers, so that could have been the problem. I use Umarex CO2 cartridges and have not had any problems.
The aluminium casting that holds the CO2 cartridges in place has a fine thread and can be difficult to locate properly. It might pay you to remove the butt stock and see if the threads are damaged.
@@JesseCookSr If you watch my video you can clearly see where it screws into the tube which extends from the gun's receiver. Once you have removed the butt stock, you might find it easier to screw in the casting correctly. If the threads are damaged that might help to fix them.
When you said you had reassembled the valve slightly wrong, what was it? I've got exact problem all seals look good still got a slow leak. I put the green o ring in first with the slightly flat side up, then the washer flat side down then the valve with spring.
When I first screwed the valve back together it didn't screw down very far. Not sure why. When I took it apart again it screwed down much further and stopped leaking.
@@RetroSteamTechThanks for a good video and a job well done, Sir! Do you think that the seal ring had unscrewed it self slightly over time? Looking at 9:10-9:20 it seems as if it is 1/8 of a turn less tight than after your good deed...
Hi Matthew. Yes, you are probably right but I wanted to see if anything I did on reassembly caused the gas to leak again. I've had the apron for a few years now but I think I got it from Amazon. Basic welder's leather apron, cost about £15 I think. Cheers, Alan.
Really interesting and useful video. Do you think that applying the silicone oil whilst still assembled,would’ve cured, or prevented the leak ? ….By the way,….I’ve found your spring…it was behind my settee.
The hammer is just for show, it doesn't actually do anything. Mine is the same, it is a little loose and doesn't strike when fired because it's not suppose to.
@@EndoEnnard1 I love them because it is the only Winchester replica air rifle that actually ejects the shells just like the real gun. Also, as you say, you can load it just like a real Winchester. Even though they do have a few faults, they are still great air rifles.
Yes, when I was trying to fit that part I knew with almost certainty that I was going to lose it 🤣 I'm sure we've all had moments like that Rob 🙂 Cheers, Alan.
Thnx for your reply: Not too bad then. I thought it may be one of those issues that arise the day after the warranty runs out. I suppose with regular use, a leak is inevitable…eventually. I guess then , you’d recommend this rifle ? Thnx
Loved your video, thanks for sharing! Does anyone know if its possible to "adjust" the valve (maybe the spring inside it) to make the rifle shoot less hard? Thanks for the help in advance!
I have called Umerex a few times over the years trying to get a replacement Co2 piercing assembly with NO success. They say they don't make extra parts. I will try these 2 places.
I’m just gonna paint my stock and Handguard black for a renegade look. So this video helped me take them off, although I might just paint the Handguard while it’s on and tape block, seems a lot harder to take off then the stock
I didn't try to remove the forestock so it may well be difficult to remove. When these rifles first came out many years ago now you could get replacement real wood stocks for them. Sadly they don't seem to be available anymore.
@@RetroSteamTechOh I wanted to ask you, do you think it will be alright/helpful to lubricant the action/bolt so that the lever action feels a bit smoother? Or do you think that might harm it? I wanted to see if I could make the action smoother with lubricant, if it even does anything at all if I lube it.
@@RetroSteamTech15:29 EXACTLY how your action got stuck, mine does the EXACT same thing, but even when there are cartridges inside of it. That was the exact lock up im talking about. What could be the problem? it happens almost on every single round I cycle. Its been taking all the fun out of using it :( please help
@@BaileygaskellGaskellWhat do you mean by barrel wobble? Could you post a short/video here on TH-cam of what it is? Him and myself both do modifications and know this system pretty well. I’d interested to see it and try to help.
@@KiLLJOY1056 Basically the whole barrel and magazine tube assembly wasn't fitted tightly And wobbled left and right so I mended it with a similar method to the umarex saa Which use I removed the front barrel a magazine to assembly took a section of a can folded it over wrapped it roand then shoved it all back together and that made it tight enough to stop the wobble
I have the same problem with my M1894 replica but mine is from Double Bell. Everything looks the same. Mine is leaking from front of the valve, don't know why and unscrewing this part that was leaking from your replica is so hard to unscrew. I'm using so much strength and not even God himself can unscrew it
Update: After a couple of hours of searching I managed to find the missing piece. With the help of a bit of masking tape it is now back in the rifle where it should be!
Mate u have got to be a newbie with co air guns so im going to explain something to you .....i use to work at crossman air guns long time ago and learned any air gun co2 u have to use crossman pelligun oil which is a red oil everytime u put a new co2 in so the first co2 u put in smear a bit on end and this keeps the seals lubricated when u puncture the first co2 as u tighten the co2 plunger.....it dried out over time co2s will do that and why it started leaking your seals were dry was all....after seeing the internals on this not impressed with the design at all that thin tube that goes from the co2 pressurizer to valve in receiver will eventually start leaking around either end.....just not a good design to be honest
@@DraconusDevStudio I always use a drop of silicone oil on the end of the C02 cartridges as recommended by the manufacturer. So I don't think that was the reason. I do agree with you about the design, not the best.
I have converted mine to .22 today because the original barrel broke
Still have to get a new valve spring to balance the power what else would you recommend?
@@donchodon4245 You will need to make some new shells for it as the originals only take .177 pellets.
Thanks to this video, I was able to take apart and repair a leaking O ring where the brass tube goes into the CO2 pressure chamber in the buttstock. After disassembling it and looking at the parts, I discovered the original O ring had hardened and wasn't sealing properly. A new O ring, put it all back together, and it works flawlessly. Thanks for the help, mate. couldn't have done it without you.
for those wondering, I've had the rifle for a couple years with no leaks, and used it a lot in that time. in this case, the leak started after it got carelessly knocked over a couple times. This can cause the buttstock to slightly bend to the right or the left, which can unseat that brass tube and O ring where it goes into the pressure chamber. an old hard O ring won't conform back to the tube when that happens, and then you get a leak. It's an easy fix, if you have some really small O rings and this video to show you how to get it apart.
Glad that you found it useful. I shall take note of what you said about the O ring in the butt stock pressure chamber, in case I get another leak. I had the rifle about 15 months before the leak developed.
Having just purchased this rifle, this video will come in handy if/when mine starts to leak. Thanks for the great video.
It's a great rifle. Hopefully you will never have to do this 🤞
so ... did it start to leak? 😁
My four year old “Cowboy” gun started leaking recently and leaking at the valve. Thanks much,when I do take it on this will help immensely.
Glad that you found it useful.
Thats makes me sad and worried! i dont want mine to leak and become a wall decoration 😭
Handy video buddy, thanks for taking the time to make a video. The question of why there's a mixture of slotted and philip screw heads is an easy one, the slotted ones are the ones you can obviously see when the guns together (in keeping with the real Winnie) and the hidden ones are all self tapping philips that you'll only see once you start to disassemble.
You've done a grand job though buddy 🙂
Thanks. Just thought it might be useful to anyone else having the same problem. That makes sense regarding the screws, I should have thought of that! Cheers.
Thanks for the video Alan. Interresting. Keep safe and stay well.
I just ordered one, thanks for this, saving this, maybe useful
Just bought one ! I’m saving this for just in case ! Thanks for the lesson ! 💙🇺🇸👍🖖🏻🙋♂️
I wonder if Umerex have any plans to rifle and pcp this ? I think there are some pcp cowboy rifles, but they’re not as close as this. Thnx for the vid.
Excellent....enjoyed this, always find it terrifying pulling things like this apart 😅
The trick is to take loads of photos as you go along, very useful when trying to put the thing back together!
Brilliant !!!
After I got the stock off. The piercer was screwed in just fine. I was able to unscrew it and screw it in without no problems. That was without a cylinder in it. I was told by the umarex company that you were only supposed to use umarex CO2 cylinders . The Umarex co2 cylinders was longer than the rest so could that be the problem? I uses co2 crossman cylinders.
Well good news that the thread wasn't damaged. I have heard that the neck of the CO2 cartridges do vary slightly between manufacturers, so that could have been the problem. I use Umarex CO2 cartridges and have not had any problems.
Two things can you use different types of o-rings and can you use the blast oil silicone oil that you have for like bp blasted
Where can you find parts for my air guns I'm trying to get parts for my legendary cowboy rifle and my two 45 legendary air pistols
@@JesseCookSr As long as the O-rings fit they should be ok. As long as the oil is silicone then it should be fine.
Great video
What tool did you use to disasemble the part that was leaking? I'm trying to open mine and I absolutely can not get the valve open
I think I used a pair of needle nose pliers. Ideally you need a peg spanner.
The CO2 chamber seems to be cross threaded. It's a hard to screw in that I messed up my Allen screw that's on the end of a gun.
The aluminium casting that holds the CO2 cartridges in place has a fine thread and can be difficult to locate properly. It might pay you to remove the butt stock and see if the threads are damaged.
@@RetroSteamTech ok I will try that, but if it is were can I find it and will it be hard to fix
@@JesseCookSr If you watch my video you can clearly see where it screws into the tube which extends from the gun's receiver. Once you have removed the butt stock, you might find it easier to screw in the casting correctly. If the threads are damaged that might help to fix them.
Thank you
Maybe you should of added a bit of lube to the moving parts when reassembling it. Just a thought. Good vid though. 👍
From what I can remember they were fairly well greased already.
When you said you had reassembled the valve slightly wrong, what was it? I've got exact problem all seals look good still got a slow leak. I put the green o ring in first with the slightly flat side up, then the washer flat side down then the valve with spring.
When I first screwed the valve back together it didn't screw down very far. Not sure why. When I took it apart again it screwed down much further and stopped leaking.
@@RetroSteamTechThanks for a good video and a job well done, Sir! Do you think that the seal ring had unscrewed it self slightly over time? Looking at 9:10-9:20 it seems as if it is 1/8 of a turn less tight than after your good deed...
@@PeBr2813 Yes, could well have done.
it is acurrate this replica? i like very much and I want to buy this...what are you advise? at the 50m distance,penetrating the metal can of cola?
It is quite accurate but not very powerful. 10 to 20 metres would be the maximum range, at that distance, yes it would put holes in a drinks can.
9:20 Did you use a special tool to unscrew the valve assembly?
If I remember correctly I used a pair of circlip pliers.
Very good! Thanks!
nice video but mine leakage is at the co2- cartridge holder its a small little O ring whats leaking but i dont know how to repair this
You could try Bagnall & Kirkwood, they sell spare parts for quite a few air guns.
thanks
i hav been longing to have one even the spring type, ,
not always available in the Phils.
Hey Alan, would it not be prudent to take the gas cylinder out on re-assembly? By the way where did you get your leather apron?
cheers
Hi Matthew. Yes, you are probably right but I wanted to see if anything I did on reassembly caused the gas to leak again. I've had the apron for a few years now but I think I got it from Amazon. Basic welder's leather apron, cost about £15 I think. Cheers, Alan.
Really interesting and useful video. Do you think that applying the silicone oil whilst still assembled,would’ve cured, or prevented the leak ? ….By the way,….I’ve found your spring…it was behind my settee.
Thanks. It would be impossible to get the silicone oil where it needs to go without disassembly.
Hey I’ve got an issue with the hammer, it can lock in place but it is loose and doesn’t strike when the trigger is pulled. Any help would be great
The hammer is just for show, it doesn't actually do anything. Mine is the same, it is a little loose and doesn't strike when fired because it's not suppose to.
@@RetroSteamTech i guessed that it was not connected to anything, but I enjoyed the feeling of actually being able to reload the gun like a gun
@@EndoEnnard1 I love them because it is the only Winchester replica air rifle that actually ejects the shells just like the real gun. Also, as you say, you can load it just like a real Winchester. Even though they do have a few faults, they are still great air rifles.
I hope you respond 🙏
I have this rifle airsoft version
But the lever safety pin doesn't meet the lever
How could I fix that ?
Pls let me know
You could stick a small piece of packing material on the lever so that it reaches the safety pin.
Interesting exercise Alan. Years later you will find those MIA parts and instatntly know what they are. Don't ask me how I know. Cheers Rob
Yes, when I was trying to fit that part I knew with almost certainty that I was going to lose it 🤣 I'm sure we've all had moments like that Rob 🙂 Cheers, Alan.
@@RetroSteamTech Yes, sure have Alan.
I'm having a problem with the CO2 cylinders not screwing in real easy. Is there anything I can do to fix it because it's leaking now.
Hi Bud. Saw your original review of this. How long did you have it /shots, before the leak started?
Really fancy one,..but !
I can't tell you haw many shots I've put through it but I have used it a lot. Timewise, the leak started about 15 months after I purchased it.
Thnx for your reply: Not too bad then. I thought it may be one of those issues that arise the day after the warranty runs out. I suppose with regular use, a leak is inevitable…eventually. I guess then , you’d recommend this rifle ? Thnx
@@davidhalliwell6844 Yes, I would still recommend it. With the shell ejection action it operates just like the real thing and is great fun to use.
Loved your video, thanks for sharing!
Does anyone know if its possible to "adjust" the valve (maybe the spring inside it) to make the rifle shoot less hard? Thanks for the help in advance!
Thanks. I don't think the gas pressure can be adjusted unfortunately.
fire BB and pellets ??
It is sold as a BB gun but will fire pellets just as well.
Has anyone tried using silicone O rings on CO2 guns?
Where can you find the parts for the legendary cowboy rifle and the 45 caliber peacemaker CO2
Bagnall & Kirkwood and Airgunspares both supply parts for Umarex air guns. They are in the UK, not sure where you would go in the USA for parts.
I have called Umerex a few times over the years trying to get a replacement Co2 piercing assembly with NO success. They say they don't make extra parts. I will try these 2 places.
I’m just gonna paint my stock and Handguard black for a renegade look. So this video helped me take them off, although I might just paint the Handguard while it’s on and tape block, seems a lot harder to take off then the stock
I didn't try to remove the forestock so it may well be difficult to remove. When these rifles first came out many years ago now you could get replacement real wood stocks for them. Sadly they don't seem to be available anymore.
@@RetroSteamTechOh I wanted to ask you, do you think it will be alright/helpful to lubricant the action/bolt so that the lever action feels a bit smoother? Or do you think that might harm it? I wanted to see if I could make the action smoother with lubricant, if it even does anything at all if I lube it.
@@KiLLJOY1056I can't see that it would do any harm to lubricate the action. I would suggest that you use silicone gun oil.
@@RetroSteamTech15:29 EXACTLY how your action got stuck, mine does the EXACT same thing, but even when there are cartridges inside of it. That was the exact lock up im talking about. What could be the problem? it happens almost on every single round I cycle. Its been taking all the fun out of using it :( please help
@@KiLLJOY1056 Since I put mine back together it's been fine, no lock ups with the lever.
Favorite rifle did you Play herry potter
Mine has for some reason developed a barrel wobble similar to the single action army replica
Never heard of one of these having a loose barrel before. Could the pin that holds the barrel and forestock in place have come loose?
I haven't taken it apart but I don't think so both the pin seem to be well wedged in and the screws are nice and tight so I'm not sure
@@BaileygaskellGaskellWhat do you mean by barrel wobble? Could you post a short/video here on TH-cam of what it is? Him and myself both do modifications and know this system pretty well. I’d interested to see it and try to help.
@@KiLLJOY1056 Basically the whole barrel and magazine tube assembly wasn't fitted tightly And wobbled left and right so I mended it with a similar method to the umarex saa Which use I removed the front barrel a magazine to assembly took a section of a can folded it over wrapped it roand then shoved it all back together and that made it tight enough to stop the wobble
I have the same problem with my M1894 replica but mine is from Double Bell. Everything looks the same. Mine is leaking from front of the valve, don't know why and unscrewing this part that was leaking from your replica is so hard to unscrew. I'm using so much strength and not even God himself can unscrew it
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