Zed “kills” VSCode
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.พ. 2024
- Zed is touted as the new VSCode killer. I had to check it out for myself.
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I got laid off last week because I was coding too slow. Had I been using Zed, I could have closed more tickets 10-15ms faster. Dammit
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top notch humour hahahhahaha
10ms per frame * millions of frames = hundreds of thousands of dollars lost in productivity 😅
@@amjedbelgacem8218Humor is appreciated here
@@AZisk Typical German.
It has a lot of potential. But it’s no way near feature complete enough to be considered a vscode killer. Yet.
No way near feature complete is not true. It has like 90% of features needed.
hey, does it have extension support and such? I use windows so I haven't used it yet@@Patrickdaawsome
if there is no plugins then it is far from being usable
@@Patrickdaawsome no. It's still missing many small details that it would need to consider killing vscode
Wait until it gets plugins, and the speed may reduce as bloat is added
Lmao. That 97ms to 58ms marketing is just marketing 101.
The thing that gets me is thats still a HUGE delay. Assuming your screen is 60Hz thats nearly FOUR WHOLE FRAMES between keypress and it being rendered on screen. I dread to think how slow it looks on a 144hz monitor
@@squishy-tomato They will have more time to enjoy slow MacOS UI animations 😅
This is a far more interesting metric on a Raspberry Pi that is more resource limited. With VSCode living in that world, having Zed (Or COSMIC-Edit) running faster than the incumbent editor would make a palpable difference in programming experience on these small devices.
Try zed vs vscode on a 4 year old Intel Mac and you will see this huge difference.
zed is written is rust 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
No windows support yet.
Like it or hate it, it still is the big fish in the pond.
Zed should get to level 6 first to get their ult and then try killing vscode
+rep for the analogy
And no build for Linux? You know... the thing most people are connecting to and working on?
So, just Mac users.... who are... not always doing dev work...
Um... okay, Zed! You just pretend to be the cool kid.
i trust microsoft more than some small team from zed, the benchmarks are fake, when you install extensions it even worse than vscode, vscode is nice, its smooth, and windows design is good, also widely used and recognized editor, what the he is even zed?😂 theay hopefully fixed scroll whcih was buggy, but they didn't fixed other issues , i checked the source code they use strange variable names and also dont follow guidelines from mister bob clean code architecture that's why their codesucks j! and willsuck ! they will never replace google code editor and vscode !❤
I mean they could poke them down slowly by spamming Q (getting more extensions)... Zed is an artillery mage after all.
Didn't expect a dota 2 reference here
The bad thing about Zed (for now) is that VSCode has a ton of extensions; yes Zed automatically integrates using LSP but that's pretty much it. But it's VERY promising.
What makes it promising? It's for Mac, and as far as I can see, VSCode just runs like butter on Mac and prolly doesn't hog a big %age of RAM too.
@@VivekYadav-ds8oz Drains a lot of my battery tho, I still need to try Zed and see if there is some improvements
@@VivekYadav-ds8ozdoesn't what? VSCode bundles a whole browser, an OS compatibility layer (electron) and a language runtime just to run a text editor. that's as wasteful as it can be
All of my extensions in VS Code that I use at work are to provide functionality that LSP and treesitter provide. Im fine with it just having LSP now.
@@FlanPoirot That's more of a thing which I hate on principle. However, realistically, it doesn't take that much storage for something that's such a key component of your development cycle.
I'm in a similar position: I'm not using Zed as my main editor for now, but I am keeping it installed and periodically checking things out as it gets updated. It has a lot of promise for me and I'm really looking forward to seeing where it goes in the future
Performance matters a lot more when low on resources. I've driven a baseline MacBook Air to its limits and beyond for years, most of the time VSC had little to no noticeable delays but whenever running out of memory or having the CPU catch up, it was BAD. Particularly the vim mode plugin (ergonomics, yo) would swallow inputs and become generally unreliable. That aside, VSC also uses much more memory than it needs to, as any Electron based app does. 300-600mb may be nothing for my current computer, but when you're running 8GB with your base system already using 2 of those, you've got some containers (another 1-2GB), browser tabs and other dev tools open, you'll appreciate every bit of extra memory you can save.
When working on large monorepos my extensions alone would consistently use 4GB of ram. Thankfully that doesn't really affect my workstation, but it's still not okay.
I have 8 gb linux laptop
I feel firefox eats too much ram even web uses too much ram in general
8gb feels 2Gb these days
Which is why I just use vs code sparingly when pairing with another person or computer, but personally I use vim and neovim.
Also when I need to go to a cafe and want the peace of mind of being able to do quick coding sessions, I could also replace the laptop for a tablet and use vim / code-server via ssh.
Yup, having a browser as the display surface for all electron apps (chromium) and running everything in it essentially adds a non-significant amount of tax to any app. For vs code its's fine (it does a lot of things well), but you can also take a look at intellij based apps (while more advanced) having a java swing based app is also quite heavy.
One thing I will never understand is the people who create / use something like hyper (the electron based terminal....) that is just insanity, even if your computer makes no sweat about it.
Exactly. Everyone who says that bloated Electron apps are as fast as something native like Zed are just spoiled with high-end pc's
Thanks for your great videos. I even sometimes watch them twice because there is soooo much useful information in your videos. Greetings from Belgium & Germany
Definitely will be checking out Zed. Thanks!
What code editor did they use to create Zed?
Of course it was notepad.exe.
They probably used vi
Zed was built with Zed when Zed was stable enough
@@skynse8174And before that?
@@skynse8174 hahaha it was a joke
Taking the crown from VScode is very difficult, there is a lot of work behind it, it takes years to offer the developed benefits that it offers.
The developers of Zed contributed a lot of that work, particularly with respect to Electron.
Have you used VS or working with larger projects then Sublime Text is a lot faster
VSCode is slow if projects are big
?? visual studio code was never crowned to begin with. it's a garbage slow electron app that barely does anything you need it to do
@@perghosh8135I mean when I work on a large codebase, I move to neovim. Vscode cant handle large projects and I don’t think thats a negative, because vscode could not add all the features it has plus be super easy to use with no learning curve if they also wanted to make it handle large projects better.
Personally, I work on large projects maybe twice a year or even less than that, so vscode fits my requirements. And I think most developers and engineers fall in the same category.
Plus I don’t think your point makes sense because no one who works on a large codebase uses vscode. Vscode never said that its large codebase friendly. Everyone knows its electron and can’t handle large projects.
if they fix about 5 things, I would never go back to vscode
Zed's response times wil be fantastic for use in films where everyone 'programming a computer' seems like they're on speed.
I realize how valuable extensions are for VS Code. They're the only ones keeping me from moving to Zed.
My opinion on zed is..... ( waits 2 years )
VSCode works on Windows, Mac, Linux, and Web browsers.
With so many extensions like WSL, SSH, Docker, etc.
With SSH extension I can view pictures and videos over SSH on my server and browse files like I'm working with Files Explorer or Finder on the local machine.
Zed is not a VSCode killer 😂 I don't think they going to kill anyone anytime soon.
I dunno if I'm the only one that doesn't care about an extra 50ms or whatever input delay, but just having good features, like what you get with Jetbrains
I held off trying Rider for .NET dev and regret waiting so long. It’s superb on Mac IMO. Not as much of a fan of it on Windows but I have Visual Studio on there.
JetBrains Rider has tons of .NET focused tools that VS4Mac didn’t have.
I know this is an IDE but JetBrains also have a beta of an application that can switch between text editor (like VS Code) and Full IDE as required. Which I think is an interesting idea
yeah, if we are talking slow vs slow editors, then at least JetBrains stuff provide great experience.
VS code opens for me like in 10 seconds with all extensions, and OS loads in like 12 seconds
There’s an extension for VSCode to enable zooming font size in the editor separately from the rest of the UI. I think it’s called “Responsive Font Weights”.
Thats so useful, thank you.
I just installed it on my personal Mac and I have to admit I absolutely love the clean and smooth interface. Thank you Alex!
I might try it on my company's Mac too, I'm curious to see how it will manage our huge codebase.
I'm curious as well. I don't think I've seen anyone comparing the two editors outside of just basic files or small projects.
good luck with instant crashes lmfao
zed is awesome. im not ready to change over. but for sure looks like an exciting project.
It's nowhere near a vscode killer, being MacOS exclusive still.
I think the problem here is that nobody is complaining that VSCode is slow - we use it for its convenience and its extensions. if you want a fast no-frills code editor like this, you're gonna use nano or neovim or Sublime, etc. Nobody asked for "VSCode but stripped down to the essentials and also slightly faster," so while Zed is getting a lot of coverage and that is good for competition, there is absolutely no reason to use it over VSCode.
I am complaining about VS Code’s speed.
It used to be fast when it came out but it has slowed down overtime.
Sometimes it takes me seconds to open a file, which is annoying considering I use VS Code as a quick editor and not my main IDE.
(I use Jetbrain’s tools for my main IDEs)
@@DynamicalisBlueyeah. Whats the point of ide if it freezes when opening/editing projects(based on my experience). As for me, neovim is the one, it also fixed my wrist.
tryed Zed for a while. looks ok for some simple tasks considering perfomance, thx for suggesting new software
Hi Alex! Your videos are a must for any developer, I really enjoy your attention to detail and really professional tests, oriented to the developer ecosystem.
Glad you like them!
VSCode does slow down with large projecțs (like multi-project mono repos). I switched over to JetBrains WebStorm and the usability with these large projects was terrific! Yes, you have to pay to use WebStorm, but it’s worth it for my projects (plus JetBrains’ AI Assistant is just as good if not better than copilot).
Yea I’ve worked on projects where if I have like more then 3 tabs open with tens of thousands of lines I can get an input lag of more then 500ms and witch really sucks
How did you do the voice dubbing that perfectly sounds like Bruce Willis? Which tool?
Could be Eleven AI
just a good microphone to capture the bass
In every way possible, the $20/month for GHCP is superior in efficiency and cost-effectiveness to using the chat API endpoint. Also, that pop out to new floating window is a new feature and took VSC a long time, but it’s still limited since you can’t pop out a Jupyter NB.
That's some blast processing right there by Zed.
8:10 how did you call up that FPS monitor on that MacBook Pro ??😮😉😉
🤓🤓🤓😝😝😗
Is not how fast is vs code, but is how many resources consumes when is running. Sometimes it crushes the entire system… at least on my Mac.
It's not just on the Mac. Electron based browsers are also resource hungry.
I also find many corp environments they got us installing Symantec or some other file scan tank responding to git and VSCode. My Intel max sits at 100C most of the day. Any attempts at asking for an exclusion list are lost.
Try to run webstorm 😅
Zed is way faster than VSCode w/ minimal extensions here for my mid-sized projects.
I've switched from vscode to helix for my daily editing. It is amazingly fast and has most of the features I normally use already baked in. Loving it thus far. There's even an extension dance for vscode that stress up a similar keymap to helix so I can use the same key commands if I have to use vacode. It's not perfect but very helpful. All that being said I haven't needed to switch from helix in a while.
I have switched to Zed only this whole week at work and I really love it. Think I will stay on it in the future.
Do you have all extensions disabled? I recently switched to NeoVim because VSCode becomes too slow and memory hogging for large project. Frequently got VM OutOfMemory issue. Moreover the extension can eat up loads of space as well
When something becomes a "killer" of something, it's usually all hype.
Learned a few things. Thanks.
Excellent work, thanks!
But what if we compare zed with sublime text? 😊
Alex - why are you not wearing Apple vision pro? Scared of seing Zed being 10ms faster on your own eyes? :D
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Great you didn't post a link, it's so more fun searching for it 👍
Will definitely give Zed a good try. I like the idea of modern performance-focused editor. As I am not a full-time programmer, it is hard to keep my vim/neovim configuration stable. In contrast Zed seems to be almost feature-complete without any plugins.
try helix then
@@MindBlowerWTF Does it have support for CoPilot?
No support for linux nor windows, no dark mode in their website .... long ways to be even close to vscode killer.
your first point is valid. Your second point I have questions.
its mostly about their target audience is wrong, they are not supporting developers as a whole but a niche group, most developers like dark mode on everything, so if your product is for developers so should you target that audience, same goes for the windows 90% usage vs mac...@@AZisk
so to iterate a tldr, I doubt their product because they don't know what their target audience is, so features that most likely would be good will tend to not be priority.@@AZisk
Both Windows and Linux support is in the works tho
in the works, is not priority, basically saying " we prefer to work in a 5% usage base instead of the biggest one "@@FirephoenixX02
Zed is good, but UI/UX in VS Code is much more convenient. And VS Code is fast enough.
The response time differences may have a lot to do with the simplified extensions that Zed supports compared to the more complex extension interface of VS Code.
I'm using Zed for 2/3 months now and it became my main editor as VSCode is the backup because of the extensions. Zed still has a long way to go but it's quiet impressive what they have done so far and I'm loving it.
"stability" lol
saw this thing crashing a suspicious amount of times :P
using it for a week, crashed maybe 1 time (M1 Macbook Pro)
To me it seemed to mostly crash with the coop coding which makes sense as it's in such early development
Zed is not 1.0 (stable) yet, it's in BETA.
Yeah, killer only for mac user
I mean you could try to build it for other OS's, but for now you might run into trouble
Hi Alex. When you installed it, did you have any problems with VSCode already being present? Or Sublime Text?
I'm not sure what kind of problems you're thinking of (it's just another editor) but no, it didn't cause any problems for VSC or Sublime on Mac for me.
If you wanna quickly edit a file, focus editor is really nice too
Currently it's basically just a text editor with some code highlighting features
But the text editing part works really well and a lot of short cuts that help you just around and make changes
I’m still going to use IntelliJ IDEA to do my actual work because it does so much for me, and can handle working on massive projects well. The only time I run VSCode is when I need a dumb text editor, as long as it has a cli tool to open a file it does what I need.
I’m sorry but if the speed of opening files is what’s killing your productivity then congrats. Maybe remove some plugin bloat?
Even without any extensions VSCode is starting slower than zed simply because VSCode is built on Electron
Biggest benefit: battery consumption is much lower on Zed. Gotta love that Rust performance!
But I agree with Alex. Zed's not quite there yet, but they're making quick progress. Gonna keep checking back to how they crack VSC's "moat": the extensions.
Interesting app. I will definitely keep an eye on this project.
my sudo nano opens faster than zed
As a vim user, vscode is noticably slow.
Ok, thx for rewiew. Gonna wait for lunux version to touch it
Love to watch your video alex.
thx!
Agree! Except Zed ain’t sh*t lol an editor written in Rust with a plugin system that requires understanding Rust will NEVER serve the level of support required to put a dent in VS Code marketshare.
What’s more is the fact that an editor hanging its hat on performance but only supports macOS is laughable - talk about a controlled environment.
are the cpus so slow... that we need gpu for text display?
They improved upon the Notepad code base and called it Zed. As you can see both include e and end with d.
I tried it seems cool, i hope it will improve quickly
Try doing multiline and editing 4000 lines at once, I use sublime for this at times when writing queries for locations and stuff, sublime can be really really slow, how's Zed?
I’m excited to see a new player in the space. I’ve been happily using Helix for a while now (I think Kakoune’s way of doing things makes a lot more sense than vim), but I originally switched from VSCode because I got tired of all the popups, notifications, and random obtrusive features getting added without warning, forcing me to read for hours through release notes and settings descriptions trying to figure out how to turn it off. I want my editor, and I don’t want it to change unless I ask it to. Hopefully Zed turns out this way
Alex went full fuzz testing bloodbath, the poor editor wan't ready for such intensity.
Glad to see that Scharzenager got broken out for the true test 👍
I'm curious how much of a hit the battery takes from using GPUI. Although interesting, the benefits just don't seem to be worth it for me if it affects battery. I'd like to be able to be remote when I want/need to.
I've been using Zed for 1 week now. No regrets moving to zed. (the only missing feature is the capacity to work over ssh on a remote server)
I doubt that it will get comparable extensiblity as VS Code. But without it, I don't think it will be easy to switch.
If they instead build everything they can into the base editor, it will become a full blown IDE like Visual Studio, which is not at all lightweight...
4:55 the window tear off is pretty new to VS code! Although the issue was sitting in their tracker for almost forever it was always down to some Electron limitations. I guess that was fixed now and so it could be passed to VS code.
So does Zed load at start and stay fully resident in ram but with a hidden window?
LSP server? Plugins/extensions? No telemetry? Seamless integration with current vscode extensions?
I dont think that it will ever have integration with vs code extensions. Its not based on electron
So one thing I appreciate about this video is now I can do more in vs cause I didn’t know you could do some of those things
I've tried Zed and if you run it on a 120Hz screen (e.g., directly on your MBP) it feels glorious. Once we have all the usual plugins that everybody uses, it's going to be a serious VSCode competitor. VSCode is great but it's hamstrung by electron, I like the bare-metal feeling that Zed gives.
Also the AI autocompletion in Zed is god-tier, I use it to write documents and it's incredible! Definitely a must try if you can afford OpenAPI API keys.
When opening files, mske sure to switch it up do you don't always open using VS Code first because the operating system may coache recent files.
One thing I realised is if you want to create a Monopoly, building extension ecosystem is big part of that. Scenarios like this shows it very well. Developers put years of effort into building these awesome extensions and now its harder to competition to break in. Thats why even Google's new cloud ide, project idx is based on code - oss and they can use well established vs code extensions.
Great video and btw I just started learning cpp however when trying to install library I haven't find a correct tutorial, I tried using vcpkg but it didn't work, do you have any tutorial or ressources to advice. Thanks
I ask that because I saw you were doing cpp
It’s a bit weird and you need to setup the LSP look at bear to create a compile_commands.json
@@lithiumox Do you have the link of a tutorial or a paper ?
And so there's no cpp package manager like cargo or pip ?
The response time is more noticable on higher refreshrate monitors
60 fps is good enough, but damn 120-144 hz feels smooth
Tried it out myself too, it's honestly a great experience. It really needs ssh support like vscode has and maybe a better ecosystem, but as soon as the ssh support is there I'll be ready to jump ship from vscode on to it.
Ok... now i will try use zed too, looks so nice
There is also Lapce wich as popular as Zed, also written in rust and cross-platform
I have an intel macbook pro (2018) and I am definitely seeing VSCode slowing down a bit more on every new release. The difference with Zed, on my laptop, is immediately evident. But after trying Zed for a bit, I think for me it's still a bit early...still some rough edges and a couple of missing features I really need. Definitely considering for the future though.
Not sure about the zooming of whole window vs the editing component, but it would be nice on both if you could do this independent- like add a 'shift' key to the mix- so you zoom it all, or just your code.
I'm just glad that VSC recently added the ability to have zoom per window, rather than zooming all open windows at the same time.
I'm glad we have a competitor in Zed, but as a lot of people are saying, we need more extensions before it is a VSC killer.
I have tried the Zed. And it looks awesome . But, it the same time it has some bugs and doesn’t support syntax highlights for Dockerfile for example.
thanks for sharing this new tool. I truly hope that Zed can keep its advantage on the speed after adding a lot of features like VSCode.
I'm still gonna be sticking with neovim personally but damn this is really awesome to watch from the sidelines. This project has so much potential and to be honest I'm definitely rooting for it, even if I probably won't be using it. Excited to see where it goes!!
Thanks for the review! Now I don't have to waste time testing it,
Killed me with that intro:)
I've been a huge fan and user of vscode, but what excites me about zed is the speed. You do notice slow the response of vscode is when you're doing a lot of vim commands and vim motions really quickly.
this summer, my company laptop was slow, was thermal throtling, and I would loved to have zed available. Now I've got a M2, and yeah, now I don't see the difference, but I'm sure past summer It will help a lot, I started using helix because of the performance problems.
I use an editor called Micro, it doesn't have all the bells and whistles but is really fast and I like it.
apparently i'm leaning to zed now despite the lack of extensions. at first i thought it sucks then eventually i'm in love with it lmao
Extensions are what are holding VSCode, like a network effect. Lapce is also pretty fast compared to VSCode, but I don't see how it can take over with so many missing niceties.
Does Zed let you print? I was surprised by VS Codes lack of a print menu item.
So, how many times do you open your editor? Not running all the time because of sleep mode in the computer? Sure Zed is quicker but at no point have VSCode been a problem for being slow.
Going open source was a great idea
Same on you. I installed Zed, for emergencies.
Atom was one of my fav IDE excited to get Zed on Linux
Brackets sucks now. I hate this died. Thanks for the video! I had no idea about Zed.
Wow. M2 Max on the left really pops the black color when you're in both editor. First time I've seen side by side code editor on M2 Max and MBA.
Anyways back to the topic, I think Zed is interesting but definitely not a competition to VScode especially when you're relying on a lot of extensions in VScode related to workflow and project. 💯
i believe it was just a different theme
@@AZisk I say with vscode it's better then all of them
Do I need an Nvidea rtx4090 to maximize the performance? Does it support Dlss and dlaa to make my code look sharper? What frame rate does it run with?
I'm using zed since one week. it's super fast. but I hope from the zed team to improve some extension like resolve git conflict.... But is fast and clean
I'm on linux, I am not a professional programmer, more like a medium student, I completely agree on speed and stuff, I'd love to try
zed, but I can't (MacOS only atm). Also I wonder if Zed will be non-minimalistic, if it can compete with all the capabilities, that vscode extensions can offer.