On "Destiny doesn't feel mysterious etc..." I agree. In the process of ending the light v dark saga they effectively wrapped up all the stories they were telling and explored most the things in the system. That said, there is still a bunch in the lore that they could bring to the game and/or introduce from outside the Sol system. But with the change to campaigns and Bungie tending to take the easy path, I have little faith they will be putting in the required effort to create new stories/lore/mystery in the game. I hope I'm wrong.
@@karson2022because Bungie doesn’t really take a lot of risks in storytelling or for Destiny in general for that matter. Coming from someone who’s been very involved with the franchise since D1 beta, I don’t see how they could continue the game after TFS. The Echoes story is very eh. The game overall is very easy. I’m not holding my breath with Bungie anymore. They just do the same things for the most part and randomly get their shit together when the game is in a horrendous state and they need to make people happy again
@@karson2022 most people would agree Destiny has been going downhill in recent years and that makes most people think Bungie is just coasting on Destiny while they spend most of their income/resources on other projects. TFS was fun for a week or two and that was it. Our new subclass was just all the old subclasses mashed together. They have been on autopilot taking their community for granted. It's apparent for anyone who has been paying attention. ANY bug that benefits players is fixed IMMEDIATELY while bugs that harm player experience often times get ignored for months/years. They claim these things take time but it's funny how fast positive bugs get fixed and on the other hand how bugs like insta death from a bell in duality has existed since it was added to the game. Autopilot has been on for so long they probably don't even know how to manually fly the plane anymore.
@@ledzep1023 That still doesnt really explain the 'easy route' in truth none of us know what the hell any of this is going to look like. It seems like they are at least saying they are gonna try but they have said that before. so really they arent taking the easy route, or at least it is far too early for us to tell so saying that from what we have gotten is just ignorance or a dislike of the game. I am just in the boat of 'wait and see'
Problem is, the VAST majority of the lore has been hidden in lore pages that just pop up by doing the seasonal content. That lore's great, but I'm not gonna spend a 100 hours reading it. Next to nothing is integrated into the game.
The open worlds need to be actual open worlds now. The magic of destiny 1 was be running around killing dregs, then finding a captain whose level was “???” That I couldn’t kill. Patrols need to have actual enemies that are above your light, mechanics.
Technically wasn't the Forsaken Story Metroidvania esque? Since we could do the barons in whatever order we wanted, but we learnt separate things from it.
@@BotFisherman It's because it's fundamentally a 180 scout, and it does a mechanic that a chill clip weapon does better; it's not like you're starving for special ammo in most conent anyway.
Good! It was a neat idea and not continuing to iterate upon it and push its limits was one of the biggest missed opportunities Bungie ever made. Now we're finally cooking at a fundamental level.
@@ShaoShaoMienshao These devs consistently shit in ur mouth but every now and then they feed you piss to wash it down and you morons not only thank them but actually praise them for it lol
When everybody was throwing their wallets to bungle since shadowkeep, of course they’re not going to innovate. Just take your cash and remove content a year later 😹😹😹😹😹
For the crafting debate I think that they'd have to just keep making weapons like edge transit where the random rolled one is better than the one that can just be crafted
With them using "tiers" of legendary weapons, it just makes me think, "don't you have THREE actual visual tiers of items already?" It makes me think that all blue, and green items go to white/common, and green becomes "tier 1" of a weapon, with ascending tiers meaning the ascending ranks. I realize there are 5 (at least) tiers right now, but it could be narrowed down to 3 or new VISUAL colors/tiers on weapons could be made. I just feel like having FIVE tiers to every legendary item would make it confusing for new players. There is no visual indication whether a certain weapon is tier 1 or 5 (apart from masterworking, but that can be done to any legendary).
Honestly, this is how it always should've been. As it is now im Destiny, legendaries are common, and everything below legendary can be tossed out and ignored.
Seems like they are aware of the biggest issues with the game currently, like the loot chase, core activites being stale and the game being confusing to new players. Heres hoping that their solutions to these problems do work out
I'm just kinda of scared that the campaigns will be lacking compared to annual expansions since we have two expansions now. Maybe they wont be that bad or they will be the same, who knows?
@@TheAnt235I mean, as someone who’s played D1, going through the Dark Below campaign and seeing how lackluster it is, I kinda tell myself it can’t get worse than that😂
LMAO. Bungie hasn’t realized shit. The content drop is exactly the same 10’years later when a majority of the player base wants this to evolve or change
The consensus is that everyone especially Bungie knew that Episodes weren't making the cash they were wanting so ending that quick attempt of the seasons model rehash was all but certain. Saying the word expansion activates the destiny monkey's neurons and guarantees preorders something Episodes would never
I hope Swordy is an actual gun because that weapon text is giving me so many ideas on how it would like. Like I'm imagining a big, bulky as fuck, scout rifle that vaguely looks like a sword that has some anthropomorphic sword giving you a big cartoon smile on it somewhere.
This does not sound like the "we are so back" the Destiny Cycle would normaly have at a point like this (if you've played the game for the last few years yk what Im talking about), but rather bungie saying: "Okay we see some problems, we have some ideas to tackle them, but we might scrap everything and do it an other way." To me this is interesting because it falls in line with some other recent changes etc., (for example) the nerfs/buffs to some exos when Final Shape launched, not overdone in one way or the other but hit the spot pretty good and felt resonable. What Im trying to say is: it feels like the really care and want to actualy find a "final" solution and not just a temporary band aid fix (wich they would have to come back to at some point anyways). Here for what ever the future brings but may it be bright!
@@11Survivor Everybody is high on something my guy. No one is truly aware or knowledgeable. We're not insiders. Who the fuck knows what will happen. I'm sure Bungie is more than aware of their current position of "do something good or you're just gonna keep slowly burning away until nothing is left". Saying Bungie will do this or that is just a waste of time. I doubt even the Bungie team know what'll happen to the very company they work for. The future hasn't been more uncertain, and throwing optimism or pessimism of any kind around isn't really gonna do much. My suggestion? Just play other games till you feel like coming back, if at all. It's what I have been doing.
The whole "non-linear" story sounds a lot like what Remnant does, and I think its actually really fun to play and discover new things and replay it to find things you missed before. I highly recommend that game to anyone who enjoys destiny and wants to see what this sort of thing could look like.
Well the Apollo expansion format sounds neat. Non-linear character based story… If they can pull it off it really will be innovative for Destiny and make it feel like a fresh start. It’s all about execution though. Love the idea that they are going to try different stuff each expansion, focusing on Metroidvania types of exploration, survival shooter, ect. It’s clear that once in awhile that big change per expansion might night always hit with the community but it’s clear the status-quo will not work any longer and you need to risk big to win big. If that means a loss here and there… it’s worth it. Cautiously excited… still don’t plan on playing too much between now and the fresh start though unless someone of this year’s remaining episodes pop off.
My biggest fear is Bungie falling into the same trap Ubisoft seem to fall for everygame. Open up a lot of focal points in the story and not develop a single one
I have always wanted something akin to iron banner for gambit. They could call it something like "Den of Snakes" where they could reintroduce the trials of the 9 ornaments or even the highly requested taken armor.
Datto looks like he just got shaken awake at 2am after being awake for 30 hours without even a sit down, and if that ain't the biggest mood then I dunno what is.
I feel really strongly about the "sense of mystery and wonder" Destiny has to offer. I often go back to Destiny 1 to see if I get the same sense of wonder from just sitting in random locations and taking in the environment. I have to say, the environmental storytelling and attention to detail in Destiny 1 is INSANE. I've had people that played Destiny 2 first go and try D1, and they had similar things to say so I can't be purely clouded by nostalgia, and my understanding of game development allows me to analyse these games with less rose tinted glasses. You can analyse the environment and your imagination runs wild without having a character yapping exposition or nonsense into your ear in an annoying enthusiastic tone, and just focus on the ambience and interesting background music. ("Guardians Lost" and "The Journey Home" being my favourite examples, Destiny 2 does not have enough of this type of unique, dare I say "experimental?" music, even the action tracks had a vibe D2 just doesn't have anymore) The positions of skeletons tells you what they were doing before they were shot in the ribcage with a bolt of plasma or starved to death after locking themselves in the Ishtar Archives. The wildlife on Venus and Hive locations reinforce the idea that life goes on in these worlds wether you are there or not. Attention to real life phenomena and science such as Venus' sulphur pools, burning blue sulphuric volcanoes, warm and tropical yet hostile flora. You can feel the oppressive and mysteriously vast military power of the Cabal and their occupation on Mars and Phobos (seriously, I couldn't believe these guys somehow lost their homeworld OFF-SCREEN, these guys were nerfed HARD). The only locations in Destiny 2 I recall somewhat giving this effect were Titan (now removed along with its best strike ever), The Reef (also removed, though the Forsaken campaign's writing hindered the purity of it), the Dreaming City (also hindered by Forsaken's writing), and Savathun's Throne World (the one DLC where I have almost no complaints in terms of the actual content delivered) I also liked how the fantasy and advanced tech had limits. Setting up and getting Transmat working was a big thing, almost every ship had a modern/scrappy shuttle look, and most gear was militaristic and practical rather than bits of cloth with some plasticky or super shiny armour on top. It was clear our understanding of alien tech and "magic" was super limited as gear that utilized it was usually human gear with the alien tech whackily put together to make some contraption that looked menacing and cool. This allowed factions like the Awoken who had friendly ties with the Fallen to have aesthetics that stood out (Awoken ships and weapons etc.) because they could communicate engineering with each other in a way that wasn't shooting them and stealing their equipment you hardly understand. I believe this stuff was mostly the work of the Bungie employees who've been around since the Halo days, which would make sense as to why we saw less and less of it after Destiny 2's release. I'd love to know what you guys in the comments think about all this. (sorry if this comment ends up posted twice, I think it failed to post the first time)
I might be in the minority but Destiny 2 gave me that "sense of mystery and wonder" rather than D1. Played D1 up to the end of the Taken King expac and while I liked the game and the world (but loathed playing it because I don't like shooting with a controller), Destiny 2 was what cemented my intrigue into everything Destiny had.
Being real, I don't think any game, but especially a looter shooter, can keep that long term. If you are making me grind for some rare drop, all of that goes out the window, as I cease to care about anything other than loot efficiency. You can get that out of me the first time I play a campaign (assuming you aren't making vex milk waterfall jokes), and the first time I do a raid. That's it.
@@LamonticusI appreciate your alternate opinion as I haven’t heard this from D2 fans much. Can you elaborate on how you got this feeling from D2 moreso than D1, with maybe a couple examples?
@@DawnSentinelit may be smaller scale, but I think Tom Clancy’s the Division 1 and 2 both kept the intrigue alive very well and they are very similar to Destiny at least in terms of the campaign and looter shooter experience, where the main goal is to beat the campaign so you can get to grinding “the perfect gear”. The peak of this intrigue and atmosphere was in the Survival DLC and while Massive and Ubisoft have never quite managed to make an experience like that since, it’s still very much alive in The Division 2
Honestly the thing that excited me the most about these articles is that it demonstrated Bungie's willingness to shake things up. Of course we'll have to wait and see what actually comes to fruition, but I'm excited by the possibilities of this exploratory/experimental phase we're moving into.
What's the deal with Apollo's network of mission web thing? Choose your own adventure? Maybe it's just a series of "go collect eight parts of a rocket ship" or "go kill these five generals". Yknow, like during Forsaken and you could pick which baron you would go after first.
I know that might sound far fetched but what if say for a quality of life update they added a whole new thing for clans. Like say a home base where the clan can use materials for customizing from preset things or for achievements the clan has made
46:39 if they moved Gambit to a seasonal type mode that came and went on a whim, I would personally be super sad. Gambit is really the only PVP mode I enjoy playing cause it takes a bit more brain power than the classic TDM and Control modes in the crucible
This is the weirdest thing to me. Limiting the access of Gambit isn't suddenly going to make people want to play Gambit again. Though, I get what they're trying to do here. Add fomo to the mode to add a sense of novelty because it's going away soon, just like seasonal events. If they really wanted to make Gambit work in the Destiny sandbox, they probably shouldn't have laid off the guy who made it and just let him work on it.
Would it be possible for you to get confirmation on whether the Dungeons will be part of the Expansions as per the diagram or if they will still be a separate dungeon key? The future plan diagram was clear to separate the Seasons from the Expansions, but they include Raids & Dungeons as part of the Expansions. If Bungie is going back to Dungeons being part of the Expansions, that's huge.
If they are really going to reintroduce content vaulting, they *need* to make a sort of "Destiny 2: Vault of Memories" standalone game, that does not need to connect to a proprietary server on Bungie's side, where old content is bundled up into packages (like "The Red War", "Curse of Osiris", "Warmind", etc.) and players can simply choose which packages to install. That way, no content is ever lost.
Far bigger games are available. Destiny isn't a small game by any means, but it has to be badly optimized for them to need to delete stuff from it on the regular. It's not even close to being the game with the most content out there.
@@nahqiv You're right, it isn't the game with the most content out there. And you're right that it is badly optimized, sitting at an eye-watering 126 GB right now! The far bigger games sometimes even achieve their sheer amount of content while taking up less space!
Datto, can you do a video to explain how you make GMs not challenging at all? I don’t know what I’m doing wrong, but I’m playing high tier builds, with great weapons that synergize, making sure I know all the spawns, but still I feel like GMs are a cover-based shooter where I have to sit behind a rock in the back and kill a room of ads for 10 minutes, because if I step out of cover outside Well I just die instantly to a single wizard blasting at me. I’m all for things being challenging (I enjoy master raids) but I hate the incoming damage numbers being the delivery method for challenge, because it makes me feel like I’m playing Gears of War instead of Destiny, except that I get sent 30+ minutes back if we wipe in this game.
It's the only challenge. Bullet sponges and 1-hit ko. On top of that enemies never reload, never flinch, and maps filled with holes for you to fall or be thrown at. "Yes kid you will totally save the galaxy but better get cover because a red bar is looking funny at you." Boring.
32:40 It’s cool that they’re putting Shoot To Loot in the magazine/ammo column instead of one of the main perk columns. It’s an extremely useful perk but gets overshadowed by flashier options to the point where I get made fun of if I point it out
I will gladly support a Destiny that tries to be innovative, but I just cannot see myself supporting a Destiny that does more of the same. I'm glad to hear that Bungie is attempting to think outside the box with future expansion/seasonal structure. We'll just have to wait and see what they do.
2 smaller dlcs than a big one is coroprate talk for "well release half of it and the other half later with both being at a price that combined, makes up the same amount of content as a single dlc but costs more." Plus no main campaign is just them saying that campaigns now will be seasonal style told. Aka, do random things whilst exposition is spouted out
Will we get any substance in those new content or just some more weapons gear and strikes. I want faction quest lines back. I want to stumble into the dark and feel like we are traversing a post apocalyptic world again, and i want to feel like exotics are a super rare thing instead of a common drop from enemies i want legendaries to feel like they are legendary rare. I miss loot tiers making sense instead of only blues and purples dropping guaranteed from crucible
I want this tier 5 enhanced weapon to only be achievable through scale as opposed to currency. It’s OK for not everyone to have the higher tier, weapons and armor. There has to be something for the hard-core players to strive for. We don’t have that right now.
I still have a problem with the thing that Bungie spend months to create story (and us we spend money ) and then delete them so new players cannot follow the story... This make absolutely no sense
32:42 😂 I love this. It’s a “scout rifle” with the physical traits of an auto rifle, the frame of a pulse rifle, fires 600rpm and is named”Swordy.” Edit: and it has impact casing apparently. Lol
My problem with difficulty in destiny is that as long as there are exclusive rewards to the highest difficulty possible it will be the only relevant difficulty. They should consider helldivers 2 difficulty settings where the final rarity of sample is exclusive to the highest 3 levels but challenging yourself gives you only marginally more rewards. It’s not that you have to do the top highest difficulty to complete the game but that you must challenge yourself to try to get there and the better you do you progress a little quicker
I don't think it's a problem that the highest difficultly offers exclusive rewards. You should strive to master the game and get those rewards. I don't think those rewards are mandatory either - if you aren't doing difficult content, you dont need to use the best gear
I think some of the plans sound better than I expected them to, difficult to trust that they'll follow up on them though. I really think we need more systems returning from D1 such as raid gear being BiS, exotics that actually drop instead of everything being tied to a quest so there's a reason to actually grind activities, and Xur (or some other exotic/special vendor) being somewhat relevant again because right now he doesn't even have a practical reason to exist. The biggest thing that I think absolutely has to change is the awful catch-up mechanic Bungie added that kicks in with every major update. There is no reason at all that a new player should be on the doorstep to endgame the instant they create their character and finish the tutorial, right now there is no feeling of progression or way to understand the universe at all. Destiny 1 avoided this issue by simply making people progress through the game as a brand new character starting with minimal stats and getting stronger as they beat more of the game, if that doesn't return in some capacity then I don't have very high hopes for the future of Destiny at all. Also want to add that upon purchasing the most recent expansion players should definitely receive every expansion added prior to it. The fact that they have to be bought separately at ridiculous prices while most content from older ones has either been removed or is completely irrelevant is insane, all to access a handful of exotics and not get cucked out of nightfalls. I am certain that this current absurd system severely damages the amount of new players getting into Destiny. The game might actually start gaining players faster than it loses them for the first time in forever if this changes.
I'm cool with two semi-annual minor expansions. I loved the Dark Below/House of Wolves era of D1. I just really hope they fix the issue of patrol locations feeling obsolete once you finish an expansion. There are planets I almost never go back to anymore because I finished the campaign. 99% of what I do now is launched straight from the Director or from Playlists, instead of dropping onto a planet and finding it in the world. The Nessus revamp sort of helped with this, but only barely.
No, the random modifiers in WoW Mythic + are set on a weekly basis. This changed quite a bit during the addons but it was for the most part like this. You had 1 modifer that was either Stronger Bosses or Stronger Trash that switched each week. 2 Gameplay Modifiers, like dead trash buffs others, Dmg zones spawning under you, dead mobs create ghosts that hunt random players usw. The last one was removed for the majority of Dragonflight, that was the Seasonal Modifer. It was themed after the active content. For example the last one that existed, the Season 1 Dragonflight one, was that the Final Boss of the Current Raid would buff your party and if you wouldnt cancel the buff by running into another player bevor it ran out, it would stun you for a deadly amount of time. And yeah, it was a buff, she made you do more dmg. But like is said, fuck it up, and you are basically done.
Dumping materials into a weapon to level is a bandaid fix for leveling balance. It’s been an issue since D1. If leveling went faster it would feel more rewarding
Honestly I just want it to feel like the dreadnaught. The mystery of a new place lots of collectibles thats actually do something. Exotic swords kinds just showing up out of nowhere and people scrambling to farm for them. I want that same quest like feeling to the world. The entirety of destiny 2 I have almost never been like lets explore to find secrets in the patrol because in destiny 2 that dosent exist outside of the original wisper mission. That being said they should make like a round based survival mode imo that would be cool. Like onslaught but more about survival not defence. Something like cod zombies but when it was good. Imagine a mix of the forge activity from destiny 1 from iron banner mixed with cort of oryz and onslaught.
@@oxsila honestly the pale heart was cool at first but it got old fast I explored every inch of it and it wasn't a fun exploration either. You run through it during the campaign then another 2 times if you have other characters then you have all the activities which also get very boring very very quickly and aren't very engaging just run around the area till the boss spawns which you kill in like a minute. Exploring it was fun at first but I'd honestly rather never ever go there again. I spent a solid week in the pale heart and idk just kinda meh tbh. Concept and environmental design is cool but idk it lacks something but I can't put a name to it.
I'd like for the game to become grittier. The D1 Moon and Dreadnought were pretty scary at times. The graphics have improved tremendously, but everything is so cartoon-ish now that it's hard to take anything seriously.
@oxsila the pale heart is just a mish mash of previous locations. The entire expansion is, actually. The whole thing was nostalgia bait. Returning weapons, abilities, characters and locations galore. I thought it looked fairly barebones, for the most part. Half of the missions were there for padding (the first half). It wasn't all that great imo.
@@nahqivit’s the lighting mostly. Everything is so bright and the contrast makes it look, as you said, cartoonish. Enemies stick out like a sore thumb in D2, whereas in D1, they looked like they belonged in each environment you’d find them in. As nice as it’d be, I reckon a graphical overhaul is pretty low on Bungie’s priority list atm lol
I think the best thing we can see in terms of gameplay is just an overhaul to the enemy ai. Make them more interesting to fight instead of making bigger health bars that do more damage to you. Thought they were doing that with episodes where we would've steadily seen the vex changed, then fallen, then hive, but alas... Edit: and as far as gambit goes, imo this is where they should push the letter with pvevp type game modes like Evolve where it's four hunters vs 1 big player controlled enemy (Imagine that's how they introduce the Aphelion) or something like dead by daylight or an infected type game mode.
The reason why there will be less campaign experiences is because we are going outside or immediate narratives. Everything in Sol was about us, but not us exploring the universe; not everything is bound to be about us, or rather, not about us going to new locations because we are immediately tied to them. What if we go to a new "frontier" and have nothing to do with that planet but then are swept up into having to reconcile differences with whatever lurks on those planets to prevent emergent conflict with the natives? What if we go to a dormant planet that somehow awakens in our presence being there? These are much more compelling scenarios rather than always being on the defensive. Humanity has lost its sense of exploration and has been sheltered. Now in a time of seemingly less restrictive boundaries, we should be having space adventures and making discoveries. Having campaigns for the sake of having campaigns because big bad is doing a big bad thing isn't compelling after we just got off a 10 year narrative of being defensive. Let your wonder wander, let us find other interesting things to do. Also, having the expansions be non-linear and letting you start at point A and meander to point Z and then to point B and so on and so forth will be good for content creators because that means every person could be doing different goals making the streaming and CC communities a lot more varied on release. What if Datto finds a quest that leads to a super hidden exotic but Aztecross finds a route to a new activity (I seriously think Bungie was testing that with the hidden quest node in Act 1)
My biggest hope for these new "smaller expansions" is that Bungie really, REALLY breaks the formula. A destination that is a randomly-generated rougelike. A destination that is in deep space and has ship exploration and combat. A destination where we can cozy-game manage and customize like a farm or colony or something. I'm just praying for interesting and NEW experiences.
Organic missions, exploration, and rewarding loot. Don't make it a Strike that brings us to an otherwise unused portion of a map (cough cough Cosmodrome) Pale Heart kinda gets this right. Europa has LOTS of paths to go down, but in Open World exploration there's nothing there. Put enemies or event triggers down those paths that spawn public events (as in everyone on that instance of the map could participate, not a normal capital P Public Event) like a boss or a puzzle or unlockable/collectable. Maybe Atrax could spawn in anywhere in the system randomly like an enemy Xur. I dunno. USE THE SPACE to make the world The World, and not just an arena where stuff happens this season.
With no word on restoration of the original campaign contents, no new player has any fucking clue where their character fits in the game because it's still all gone. The new player experience is the original D2 campaigns. And they refuse to do anything about it. I cannot explain Destiny 2 ever to a new player. I've tried. Multiple times. My friend quit super fast because he could not figure out where or what to do or why he should care.
Cant say I am surprised. It’s very clear they are all working on Marathon, this two dlc model seems to be a way to lessen the workload so that they can focus more into Marathons success.
This seems like a pitch doc honestly, a bunch of ideas that are cool but obviously not 100% thought through. Also, as a GM player, I gotta say that I big disagree with the idea that we shouldn't be able to get the best gear with currencies. Destiny works on two fronts: immediate rewards and long-term rewards, and the various currencies you for playing long term. They allow every activity to be rewarding by giving you a little bit, so that eventually you can cash out on something you want. Remove any need for materials, and power hungry players have like 3 activities to play while they level, which would create an even larger rift in the player base. At least now, when I do a Master Nightfall with my lower level friends, I'm still getting Ascendant Shards which can help me build better into GM nightfalls and such. If I'm not getting better gear, I'm not doing anything other than the highest activity, in which case I will never see a new player and they may as well not exist to me.
I think this article was to let players know they are laying the groundwork for future content. I don’t think the game will do great when this stuff first comes out, but as time goes on it will get better.
The way I interpreted the change to the purpose of crafted weapons and the introduction of weapon tiers, is that, is that weapon tiers replace or add onto the enhancing system we got in TFS, and the final tier of the weapon is objectively better than a crafted roll (though I do feel like a bigger incentive would be like enhanced perks 2.0, where they are better than crafted ones, so players have motivation to chase them), but perhaps weapon tiers are only available to ‘new weapons’ (I.e. from either the current expansion or update), so for those who either missed out on those weapons, didn’t get the godroll to enhance or weren’t ‘skilled’ (subjective) enough or had a team to get the highest tier. Personally I see weapon tiers as being a really cool pursuit for those who delve into both PvP and PvE (me), because the stat boosts you would get from enhanced mag and barrels would make a genuine improvement to playing. For example, either the range bonus from rifled barrel would increase or the handling demerit was decreased. I can’t see much of a benefit of enhanced mags and barrels in PvE aside from weapon feel for controller and console and perhaps a situation (for example) where enhanced flared magwell has so much reload that I never have to consider using a glove reload mod ever again. But then again, who doesn’t want a bit more range, a bit more stability, handling and reload? That being said I’m not sure if an enhanced mag, barrel and origin trait would be enough to motivate those who wouldn’t otherwise devour the challenge Bungie presents us, unless the origin trait is already cracked (looking at you Cursed Thrall). Perhaps instead of a simple +2 to all stats aside from masterwork you get from enhanced and crafted weapons at lv20, it’s a +4 or +5 or goes up with weapon tier. Rant over (at least for this comment).
As a casual player i DO NOT like the one drop linear style. Changing that style to match more open MMO progression/style would make things much more free and relaxing. The current model just kills any sort of wonder after the first few missions because we can kinda see where things are going. Giving an option to find where things are going MANUALLY YOURSELF would be fire.
Considering his tired state, it almost seems as if, right before this recording began, Skeletor sounded the alarm and started shouting "DATTO!!! DATTOOOO!!! WAKE UP! WAKE THE F*CK UP!!! MORE NEWS FROM THOSE NITWITS AT BUNGIE!!!"
At this point I just feel like all the negativity is just an echo-chamber from other people with these articles. Who told them we want non-linear story progression..? Like.. huh?
Bro one of negatives of expansions is that when you finish them, that's it. Only the hardcore campaign fanatics replay them because they are identical on every playthrough. Putting all that development time into something a huge majority of people only play through once is such a waste when they could make non linear stuff that's actually replayable.
I liked having the campaigns but they were terrible at a couple of things - Delivering a satisfying extended campaign with an engaged player experience outside of just doing missions - Teching players how to engage in the games content after completing the campaign
Imo, the ball is in Bungie’s court right now, they need to cook and it sounds like they are, it’s time to move passed the vitriol and get to work. I think this huge drop was a really good idea. We needed info and they gave us at the very least a start. I’m very optimistic.
On the topic of difficulty...I want them to add contest mode to raids for those who want to practice. Obviously keep the emblem exclusive to day 1 but I want to be able to say I did some of these on contest and get that practice
An idea to add loot chase back while keeping crafted weapons, would be that you can only craft a perk into a weapon, if you’ve gotten that perk from a drop. So if a weapon has bait and switch for example, you can only put bait and switch on your crafted weapon once you’ve got bait and switch to drop organically
Would like to see more people talking about the wording in roadmap under expansion. It states an expansion will include raids and dungeons plural under the expansion singular tab. It implies that one expansion could contain more than one raid and dungeon which seems very unlikely but... why is it written like that. I just want clarification on how many raids we are getting a year or a conversation around it but currently online not many people are talking about it.
Loot is the main issue in destiny. Engram focusing crafting and target farming as a whole in their current states hurts the game and makes Loot feel stale. Engram focusing is far too prevalent and should be dialed way back. Crafting is obviously making random Loot drops feel obsolete and while I don't think the system needs to go I'd like to see perks for crafted weapons be separated from the random drop pool. Finally, Target farming is fine on its own but with all these together its just too much currently.
@@Zoninator what does anything I said have to do with using good or bad weapons? This is entirely about the gameplay loop to earn them being so broken that any value is gone from any loot we get.
@darthwisetheplagueis5869 ah yes I'm crying for giving constructive criticism. I'm just curious but do you use both brain cells at the same time or do you have to actively try to be this stupid?
Controversial but I don't want more challenge. I want the base game to be fun. Because of work I don't have a lot of time. I want to jump in, play and jump back out. The game should be average difficulty and allow you to make it more difficult like they are suggesting.
TLDR of the day, all the streamers and influencers need to quit doom posting until something is actually announced. This actually seems pretty promising honestly. I'll miss having a narrative campaign simply because the characters are so likable, but I'd honestly love to see if they are able to bring back some of the sense of mystery like in D1 when all the lore seemed so interesting scattered about.
When ritual weapons were introduced, it was under the premise that they would be "80% of a God roll". They should have taken a similar approach to crafting. Allow you to craft the roll you want, but no option to enhance perks. As good as it may be, there would still be a better, enhanced version out there you could grind for.
With the tiers, something interesting or a possible outcome/fix is the tier is the amount of enhanced perks. Tier 1 allows you to enhance a single perk of your choice, where tier 5 allows for 5 enhanced perks. Allows people to feel like they can improve what they got, but if they chase harder content to get the higher tier, they're rewarded with a higher ceiling for the weapon/armor
He’s holding me hostage send help 🔫
Help will not be arriving
Mista froot
You’re doing this till you’re 90 Mr fruit
Honestly forgot you played Destiny.
Glad you're looking better in health Fruit.
"Help is on the way, dear!"
datto: i’m taking a holiday
bungie: i think the fuck not
This was obviously planned 💀
lol
😂😂😂😂😂
LOL😆
Literally homie. 😂😢
I thought I clicked on the wrong video.
Haha same
Never wrong with a mr fruit video man
Same
@@ahmedmuhadin1523only happy accidents
? Doesn't make sense
On "Destiny doesn't feel mysterious etc..." I agree. In the process of ending the light v dark saga they effectively wrapped up all the stories they were telling and explored most the things in the system.
That said, there is still a bunch in the lore that they could bring to the game and/or introduce from outside the Sol system. But with the change to campaigns and Bungie tending to take the easy path, I have little faith they will be putting in the required effort to create new stories/lore/mystery in the game. I hope I'm wrong.
just curious explain to me why this is them taking the easy path?
@@karson2022because Bungie doesn’t really take a lot of risks in storytelling or for Destiny in general for that matter. Coming from someone who’s been very involved with the franchise since D1 beta, I don’t see how they could continue the game after TFS. The Echoes story is very eh. The game overall is very easy. I’m not holding my breath with Bungie anymore. They just do the same things for the most part and randomly get their shit together when the game is in a horrendous state and they need to make people happy again
@@karson2022 most people would agree Destiny has been going downhill in recent years and that makes most people think Bungie is just coasting on Destiny while they spend most of their income/resources on other projects. TFS was fun for a week or two and that was it. Our new subclass was just all the old subclasses mashed together. They have been on autopilot taking their community for granted. It's apparent for anyone who has been paying attention. ANY bug that benefits players is fixed IMMEDIATELY while bugs that harm player experience often times get ignored for months/years. They claim these things take time but it's funny how fast positive bugs get fixed and on the other hand how bugs like insta death from a bell in duality has existed since it was added to the game. Autopilot has been on for so long they probably don't even know how to manually fly the plane anymore.
@@ledzep1023 That still doesnt really explain the 'easy route' in truth none of us know what the hell any of this is going to look like. It seems like they are at least saying they are gonna try but they have said that before. so really they arent taking the easy route, or at least it is far too early for us to tell so saying that from what we have gotten is just ignorance or a dislike of the game. I am just in the boat of 'wait and see'
Problem is, the VAST majority of the lore has been hidden in lore pages that just pop up by doing the seasonal content. That lore's great, but I'm not gonna spend a 100 hours reading it. Next to nothing is integrated into the game.
Bungie: “Is Datto home? He’s not? Quick, drop the news!!”
Bungie had to cut so many people so they can fund the PI constantly following Datto around and reporting to Bungie when its time to drop the news😂
The open worlds need to be actual open worlds now. The magic of destiny 1 was be running around killing dregs, then finding a captain whose level was “???” That I couldn’t kill. Patrols need to have actual enemies that are above your light, mechanics.
YES, ABSOLUTELY.
This has never been a thing there’s never been full ass mechanics in the open world just laying around
@@zonecrimzon1222 *The Dreaming City side-eyeing you*
@@zonecrimzon1222you never explored the dreaming city and it shows.
Season of haunted leviathan kinda went in that direction with all the secret bosses except the difficulty was still non existent
I was audibly frightened by the first frame. That felt so alien 😭
Technically wasn't the Forsaken Story Metroidvania esque? Since we could do the barons in whatever order we wanted, but we learnt separate things from it.
@@georgebeswick7549erm
I agree, I thought season of the deep was really fun. Don't understand the people you were saying said the exotic had no use though
@@BotFisherman It's because it's fundamentally a 180 scout, and it does a mechanic that a chill clip weapon does better; it's not like you're starving for special ammo in most conent anyway.
We've come full circle: Nightfall cards are back.
Good! It was a neat idea and not continuing to iterate upon it and push its limits was one of the biggest missed opportunities Bungie ever made.
Now we're finally cooking at a fundamental level.
@@ShaoShaoMienshao Agreed.
@@ShaoShaoMienshao We are now undoubtedly bussin af ong no cap fr fr
@@ShaoShaoMienshao These devs consistently shit in ur mouth but every now and then they feed you piss to wash it down and you morons not only thank them but actually praise them for it lol
@@user-73awtf?
"Innovation in Destiny cannot just be *more Destiny* " -Datto Thoughts Going Into 2021. Insane how well that thoughts video still holds up in the now.
When everybody was throwing their wallets to bungle since shadowkeep, of course they’re not going to innovate. Just take your cash and remove content a year later 😹😹😹😹😹
For the crafting debate I think that they'd have to just keep making weapons like edge transit where the random rolled one is better than the one that can just be crafted
Robs wedding got Datto having to commandeer the House Fruit Tavern lol
With them using "tiers" of legendary weapons, it just makes me think,
"don't you have THREE actual visual tiers of items already?"
It makes me think that all blue, and green items go to white/common, and green becomes "tier 1" of a weapon, with ascending tiers meaning the ascending ranks.
I realize there are 5 (at least) tiers right now, but it could be narrowed down to 3 or new VISUAL colors/tiers on weapons could be made.
I just feel like having FIVE tiers to every legendary item would make it confusing for new players. There is no visual indication whether a certain weapon is tier 1 or 5 (apart from masterworking, but that can be done to any legendary).
Honestly, this is how it always should've been. As it is now im Destiny, legendaries are common, and everything below legendary can be tossed out and ignored.
@lycaeo what do you mean by tiers of legendary weapons?
Seems like they are aware of the biggest issues with the game currently, like the loot chase, core activites being stale and the game being confusing to new players. Heres hoping that their solutions to these problems do work out
I'm just kinda of scared that the campaigns will be lacking compared to annual expansions since we have two expansions now. Maybe they wont be that bad or they will be the same, who knows?
@@TheAnt235I mean, as someone who’s played D1, going through the Dark Below campaign and seeing how lackluster it is, I kinda tell myself it can’t get worse than that😂
LMAO. Bungie hasn’t realized shit. The content drop is exactly the same 10’years later when a majority of the player base wants this to evolve or change
Lmao
It's funny how your comment applies to this game at any point in time, for let's say, the last 5 years. Of course nothing will change
Ignore the negative comments. Misery loves company. It’s just loud noise at this point, like a crying baby in a restaurant.
:Caught: My fault Unc
Top kek
Hey Rob where's that hawkmoon?, smh
Enjoy the good company Rhab
Rhab!!!! :D
Congratulations R-Habby V. The OG hunter rep from like 9 years ago, for doing what most long time destiny players couldn't: See a woman in real life.
RIP Episodes: 2024-2024
Episodes are going into 2025
The consensus is that everyone especially Bungie knew that Episodes weren't making the cash they were wanting so ending that quick attempt of the seasons model rehash was all but certain. Saying the word expansion activates the destiny monkey's neurons and guarantees preorders something Episodes would never
Glad they're gone ngl. I wasn't too invested in Episodes
They were never "episodes" in the first place. Just rebranded seasons 🥱
The only takeaway I have from this video is that Swordy the scout rifle is a three round burst special weapon so clearly bungie has gone insane.
It also has impact casing, which is supposed to only be on rockets. Absolutely amazing.
I hope Swordy is an actual gun because that weapon text is giving me so many ideas on how it would like. Like I'm imagining a big, bulky as fuck, scout rifle that vaguely looks like a sword that has some anthropomorphic sword giving you a big cartoon smile on it somewhere.
I just imagine them watching the community hysteria and the layoffs and finally going off the deep end, Joker laughter and all.
Someone predicted this title last video😭
Critical has like 3 titles
No one cares
@realhyrulesoverlord shut up, your life amounts to nothing
@@realhyrulesoverlordi do
@@DLaneFrm186 then you're a silly billy
This does not sound like the "we are so back" the Destiny Cycle would normaly have at a point like this (if you've played the game for the last few years yk what Im talking about), but rather bungie saying: "Okay we see some problems, we have some ideas to tackle them, but we might scrap everything and do it an other way."
To me this is interesting because it falls in line with some other recent changes etc., (for example) the nerfs/buffs to some exos when Final Shape launched, not overdone in one way or the other but hit the spot pretty good and felt resonable.
What Im trying to say is: it feels like the really care and want to actualy find a "final" solution and not just a temporary band aid fix (wich they would have to come back to at some point anyways).
Here for what ever the future brings but may it be bright!
You are high on copium
@@11Survivor Everybody is high on something my guy. No one is truly aware or knowledgeable. We're not insiders. Who the fuck knows what will happen. I'm sure Bungie is more than aware of their current position of "do something good or you're just gonna keep slowly burning away until nothing is left".
Saying Bungie will do this or that is just a waste of time. I doubt even the Bungie team know what'll happen to the very company they work for. The future hasn't been more uncertain, and throwing optimism or pessimism of any kind around isn't really gonna do much. My suggestion? Just play other games till you feel like coming back, if at all. It's what I have been doing.
Shoutout sega Dreamcast
Benny wasn't kidding when he said Datto went hard at Rhab's wedding LMAO
Datto taking over the Tavern and holding hostage was not on the 2024 bingo card. This year has been a roller coaster.
The whole "non-linear" story sounds a lot like what Remnant does, and I think its actually really fun to play and discover new things and replay it to find things you missed before. I highly recommend that game to anyone who enjoys destiny and wants to see what this sort of thing could look like.
Well the Apollo expansion format sounds neat. Non-linear character based story… If they can pull it off it really will be innovative for Destiny and make it feel like a fresh start. It’s all about execution though.
Love the idea that they are going to try different stuff each expansion, focusing on Metroidvania types of exploration, survival shooter, ect. It’s clear that once in awhile that big change per expansion might night always hit with the community but it’s clear the status-quo will not work any longer and you need to risk big to win big. If that means a loss here and there… it’s worth it.
Cautiously excited… still don’t plan on playing too much between now and the fresh start though unless someone of this year’s remaining episodes pop off.
My biggest fear is Bungie falling into the same trap Ubisoft seem to fall for everygame. Open up a lot of focal points in the story and not develop a single one
@@tecobelstill waiting on an update to the war on the cabal home world
@@madmammoth9022i have a feeling it’ll at least be talked about in frontiers, but goddamn i almost forgot about that. really hope bungie didn’t.
It's gonna suck like everything since witch queen has.
And better yet what content will he removed from the game to make way for the new stuff.
You should pre order.😊
I have always wanted something akin to iron banner for gambit. They could call it something like "Den of Snakes" where they could reintroduce the trials of the 9 ornaments or even the highly requested taken armor.
First Charlie's room, now Mr. Fruit's office??? Datto is everywhere
Datto looks like he just got shaken awake at 2am after being awake for 30 hours without even a sit down, and if that ain't the biggest mood then I dunno what is.
Bro is so hungover from Rob’s wedding lmao, datto this coulda waited until after breakfast and five coffees homie
When they say new "locations" remember that Mercury was a new location - and so was The Reef.
The Reef wasn't a bad location though
It’s my birthday! 10 years ago I bought this game. I’m 22 now. Wild
Happy birthday!
Happy birthday
@@notawaifu4589 thank you (:
It's over for u lil bro
@@shuaibsaleem569 thank you!
I feel really strongly about the "sense of mystery and wonder" Destiny has to offer. I often go back to Destiny 1 to see if I get the same sense of wonder from just sitting in random locations and taking in the environment. I have to say, the environmental storytelling and attention to detail in Destiny 1 is INSANE.
I've had people that played Destiny 2 first go and try D1, and they had similar things to say so I can't be purely clouded by nostalgia, and my understanding of game development allows me to analyse these games with less rose tinted glasses.
You can analyse the environment and your imagination runs wild without having a character yapping exposition or nonsense into your ear in an annoying enthusiastic tone, and just focus on the ambience and interesting background music.
("Guardians Lost" and "The Journey Home" being my favourite examples, Destiny 2 does not have enough of this type of unique, dare I say "experimental?" music, even the action tracks had a vibe D2 just doesn't have anymore)
The positions of skeletons tells you what they were doing before they were shot in the ribcage with a bolt of plasma or starved to death after locking themselves in the Ishtar Archives. The wildlife on Venus and Hive locations reinforce the idea that life goes on in these worlds wether you are there or not. Attention to real life phenomena and science such as Venus' sulphur pools, burning blue sulphuric volcanoes, warm and tropical yet hostile flora. You can feel the oppressive and mysteriously vast military power of the Cabal and their occupation on Mars and Phobos (seriously, I couldn't believe these guys somehow lost their homeworld OFF-SCREEN, these guys were nerfed HARD).
The only locations in Destiny 2 I recall somewhat giving this effect were Titan (now removed along with its best strike ever), The Reef (also removed, though the Forsaken campaign's writing hindered the purity of it), the Dreaming City (also hindered by Forsaken's writing), and Savathun's Throne World (the one DLC where I have almost no complaints in terms of the actual content delivered)
I also liked how the fantasy and advanced tech had limits. Setting up and getting Transmat working was a big thing, almost every ship had a modern/scrappy shuttle look, and most gear was militaristic and practical rather than bits of cloth with some plasticky or super shiny armour on top. It was clear our understanding of alien tech and "magic" was super limited as gear that utilized it was usually human gear with the alien tech whackily put together to make some contraption that looked menacing and cool.
This allowed factions like the Awoken who had friendly ties with the Fallen to have aesthetics that stood out (Awoken ships and weapons etc.) because they could communicate engineering with each other in a way that wasn't shooting them and stealing their equipment you hardly understand.
I believe this stuff was mostly the work of the Bungie employees who've been around since the Halo days, which would make sense as to why we saw less and less of it after Destiny 2's release. I'd love to know what you guys in the comments think about all this.
(sorry if this comment ends up posted twice, I think it failed to post the first time)
I might be in the minority but Destiny 2 gave me that "sense of mystery and wonder" rather than D1. Played D1 up to the end of the Taken King expac and while I liked the game and the world (but loathed playing it because I don't like shooting with a controller), Destiny 2 was what cemented my intrigue into everything Destiny had.
Being real, I don't think any game, but especially a looter shooter, can keep that long term. If you are making me grind for some rare drop, all of that goes out the window, as I cease to care about anything other than loot efficiency. You can get that out of me the first time I play a campaign (assuming you aren't making vex milk waterfall jokes), and the first time I do a raid. That's it.
@@LamonticusI appreciate your alternate opinion as I haven’t heard this from D2 fans much. Can you elaborate on how you got this feeling from D2 moreso than D1, with maybe a couple examples?
@@DawnSentinelit may be smaller scale, but I think Tom Clancy’s the Division 1 and 2 both kept the intrigue alive very well and they are very similar to Destiny at least in terms of the campaign and looter shooter experience, where the main goal is to beat the campaign so you can get to grinding “the perfect gear”. The peak of this intrigue and atmosphere was in the Survival DLC and while Massive and Ubisoft have never quite managed to make an experience like that since, it’s still very much alive in The Division 2
MR. FRUIT?!
Honestly the thing that excited me the most about these articles is that it demonstrated Bungie's willingness to shake things up. Of course we'll have to wait and see what actually comes to fruition, but I'm excited by the possibilities of this exploratory/experimental phase we're moving into.
What's the deal with Apollo's network of mission web thing? Choose your own adventure?
Maybe it's just a series of "go collect eight parts of a rocket ship" or "go kill these five generals".
Yknow, like during Forsaken and you could pick which baron you would go after first.
I know that might sound far fetched but what if say for a quality of life update they added a whole new thing for clans. Like say a home base where the clan can use materials for customizing from preset things or for achievements the clan has made
46:39 if they moved Gambit to a seasonal type mode that came and went on a whim, I would personally be super sad. Gambit is really the only PVP mode I enjoy playing cause it takes a bit more brain power than the classic TDM and Control modes in the crucible
This is the weirdest thing to me. Limiting the access of Gambit isn't suddenly going to make people want to play Gambit again. Though, I get what they're trying to do here. Add fomo to the mode to add a sense of novelty because it's going away soon, just like seasonal events.
If they really wanted to make Gambit work in the Destiny sandbox, they probably shouldn't have laid off the guy who made it and just let him work on it.
Would it be possible for you to get confirmation on whether the Dungeons will be part of the Expansions as per the diagram or if they will still be a separate dungeon key? The future plan diagram was clear to separate the Seasons from the Expansions, but they include Raids & Dungeons as part of the Expansions. If Bungie is going back to Dungeons being part of the Expansions, that's huge.
If they are really going to reintroduce content vaulting, they *need* to make a sort of "Destiny 2: Vault of Memories" standalone game, that does not need to connect to a proprietary server on Bungie's side, where old content is bundled up into packages (like "The Red War", "Curse of Osiris", "Warmind", etc.) and players can simply choose which packages to install. That way, no content is ever lost.
I’d quite like this tbh. I’d love to go back and play older stuff as well , would help get a lot of new people into the game too!
Content vault is just so they can sell it back to you later with a slightly different coat of paint
Whatever Mr. HaveANaziCountryAsAFlagCauseBrainwashedIdiot
Far bigger games are available. Destiny isn't a small game by any means, but it has to be badly optimized for them to need to delete stuff from it on the regular. It's not even close to being the game with the most content out there.
@@nahqiv
You're right, it isn't the game with the most content out there. And you're right that it is badly optimized, sitting at an eye-watering 126 GB right now!
The far bigger games sometimes even achieve their sheer amount of content while taking up less space!
Datto, can you do a video to explain how you make GMs not challenging at all? I don’t know what I’m doing wrong, but I’m playing high tier builds, with great weapons that synergize, making sure I know all the spawns, but still I feel like GMs are a cover-based shooter where I have to sit behind a rock in the back and kill a room of ads for 10 minutes, because if I step out of cover outside Well I just die instantly to a single wizard blasting at me. I’m all for things being challenging (I enjoy master raids) but I hate the incoming damage numbers being the delivery method for challenge, because it makes me feel like I’m playing Gears of War instead of Destiny, except that I get sent 30+ minutes back if we wipe in this game.
It's the only challenge. Bullet sponges and 1-hit ko. On top of that enemies never reload, never flinch, and maps filled with holes for you to fall or be thrown at. "Yes kid you will totally save the galaxy but better get cover because a red bar is looking funny at you." Boring.
This man keeps messing with our heads. that intro had me mad confused 💀
32:40 It’s cool that they’re putting Shoot To Loot in the magazine/ammo column instead of one of the main perk columns. It’s an extremely useful perk but gets overshadowed by flashier options to the point where I get made fun of if I point it out
Bro that into caught me so off guard
Best intro ever. I had to do a double take as soon as the video started. Glad to see you got to go and hang out with Fruit!
Legitimately stunned me with that intro.
I will gladly support a Destiny that tries to be innovative, but I just cannot see myself supporting a Destiny that does more of the same. I'm glad to hear that Bungie is attempting to think outside the box with future expansion/seasonal structure. We'll just have to wait and see what they do.
It sounds like a whole lot like fancy PR speak and remixing the same stuff over and over
2 smaller dlcs than a big one is coroprate talk for "well release half of it and the other half later with both being at a price that combined, makes up the same amount of content as a single dlc but costs more."
Plus no main campaign is just them saying that campaigns now will be seasonal style told. Aka, do random things whilst exposition is spouted out
I really liked Croagunk’s thoughts on this crazy Destiny situation👍
Will we get any substance in those new content or just some more weapons gear and strikes. I want faction quest lines back. I want to stumble into the dark and feel like we are traversing a post apocalyptic world again, and i want to feel like exotics are a super rare thing instead of a common drop from enemies i want legendaries to feel like they are legendary rare. I miss loot tiers making sense instead of only blues and purples dropping guaranteed from crucible
First he steals MoistCr1TiKaL's background. Now he steals Mr. Fruit's. Does your rampant crime spree know no bounds?
I want this tier 5 enhanced weapon to only be achievable through scale as opposed to currency. It’s OK for not everyone to have the higher tier, weapons and armor. There has to be something for the hard-core players to strive for. We don’t have that right now.
42:20 who thought of Jez with the whole not finding things 😂
He only shooty shoot..no thinky think
@@DarkDisc1 I've seen the thinky think, but it is rare
“Sexy” was a really really peculiar choice of words to describe a destiny update.
No you can’t do this too me. I NEED ONE OF THESE ONLY AS MR. FRUITTTTT
I still have a problem with the thing that Bungie spend months to create story (and us we spend money ) and then delete them so new players cannot follow the story... This make absolutely no sense
32:42 😂
I love this. It’s a “scout rifle” with the physical traits of an auto rifle, the frame of a pulse rifle, fires 600rpm and is named”Swordy.”
Edit: and it has impact casing apparently. Lol
Swordy McSwordySword, how old are you mate. Ffs, you must be under five years old.
My problem with difficulty in destiny is that as long as there are exclusive rewards to the highest difficulty possible it will be the only relevant difficulty. They should consider helldivers 2 difficulty settings where the final rarity of sample is exclusive to the highest 3 levels but challenging yourself gives you only marginally more rewards. It’s not that you have to do the top highest difficulty to complete the game but that you must challenge yourself to try to get there and the better you do you progress a little quicker
I don't think it's a problem that the highest difficultly offers exclusive rewards. You should strive to master the game and get those rewards. I don't think those rewards are mandatory either - if you aren't doing difficult content, you dont need to use the best gear
I think some of the plans sound better than I expected them to, difficult to trust that they'll follow up on them though. I really think we need more systems returning from D1 such as raid gear being BiS, exotics that actually drop instead of everything being tied to a quest so there's a reason to actually grind activities, and Xur (or some other exotic/special vendor) being somewhat relevant again because right now he doesn't even have a practical reason to exist.
The biggest thing that I think absolutely has to change is the awful catch-up mechanic Bungie added that kicks in with every major update. There is no reason at all that a new player should be on the doorstep to endgame the instant they create their character and finish the tutorial, right now there is no feeling of progression or way to understand the universe at all. Destiny 1 avoided this issue by simply making people progress through the game as a brand new character starting with minimal stats and getting stronger as they beat more of the game, if that doesn't return in some capacity then I don't have very high hopes for the future of Destiny at all.
Also want to add that upon purchasing the most recent expansion players should definitely receive every expansion added prior to it. The fact that they have to be bought separately at ridiculous prices while most content from older ones has either been removed or is completely irrelevant is insane, all to access a handful of exotics and not get cucked out of nightfalls. I am certain that this current absurd system severely damages the amount of new players getting into Destiny. The game might actually start gaining players faster than it loses them for the first time in forever if this changes.
I'm cool with two semi-annual minor expansions. I loved the Dark Below/House of Wolves era of D1. I just really hope they fix the issue of patrol locations feeling obsolete once you finish an expansion. There are planets I almost never go back to anymore because I finished the campaign. 99% of what I do now is launched straight from the Director or from Playlists, instead of dropping onto a planet and finding it in the world. The Nessus revamp sort of helped with this, but only barely.
lol the intro actually made me check which channel I was watching
The easy fix for crafted weapons is “they only go up to tier 3-4” and the tier 5 has to be a random roll.
Custom difficulty reminds me of Skulls from the Halo series where max difficulty would be like LASO.
No, the random modifiers in WoW Mythic + are set on a weekly basis. This changed quite a bit during the addons but it was for the most part like this. You had 1 modifer that was either Stronger Bosses or Stronger Trash that switched each week. 2 Gameplay Modifiers, like dead trash buffs others, Dmg zones spawning under you, dead mobs create ghosts that hunt random players usw. The last one was removed for the majority of Dragonflight, that was the Seasonal Modifer. It was themed after the active content. For example the last one that existed, the Season 1 Dragonflight one, was that the Final Boss of the Current Raid would buff your party and if you wouldnt cancel the buff by running into another player bevor it ran out, it would stun you for a deadly amount of time. And yeah, it was a buff, she made you do more dmg. But like is said, fuck it up, and you are basically done.
0:49 Datto did a Gamebits reference. Thought we wouldn't notice, but we did.
Nice quote.
Dumping materials into a weapon to level is a bandaid fix for leveling balance. It’s been an issue since D1. If leveling went faster it would feel more rewarding
Honestly I just want it to feel like the dreadnaught. The mystery of a new place lots of collectibles thats actually do something. Exotic swords kinds just showing up out of nowhere and people scrambling to farm for them. I want that same quest like feeling to the world. The entirety of destiny 2 I have almost never been like lets explore to find secrets in the patrol because in destiny 2 that dosent exist outside of the original wisper mission. That being said they should make like a round based survival mode imo that would be cool. Like onslaught but more about survival not defence. Something like cod zombies but when it was good. Imagine a mix of the forge activity from destiny 1 from iron banner mixed with cort of oryz and onslaught.
The pale heart felt way better than dreadnaught idk why people act like it was so out of this world. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug I guess
@@oxsila honestly the pale heart was cool at first but it got old fast I explored every inch of it and it wasn't a fun exploration either. You run through it during the campaign then another 2 times if you have other characters then you have all the activities which also get very boring very very quickly and aren't very engaging just run around the area till the boss spawns which you kill in like a minute. Exploring it was fun at first but I'd honestly rather never ever go there again. I spent a solid week in the pale heart and idk just kinda meh tbh. Concept and environmental design is cool but idk it lacks something but I can't put a name to it.
I'd like for the game to become grittier. The D1 Moon and Dreadnought were pretty scary at times.
The graphics have improved tremendously, but everything is so cartoon-ish now that it's hard to take anything seriously.
@oxsila the pale heart is just a mish mash of previous locations. The entire expansion is, actually. The whole thing was nostalgia bait. Returning weapons, abilities, characters and locations galore.
I thought it looked fairly barebones, for the most part. Half of the missions were there for padding (the first half).
It wasn't all that great imo.
@@nahqivit’s the lighting mostly. Everything is so bright and the contrast makes it look, as you said, cartoonish. Enemies stick out like a sore thumb in D2, whereas in D1, they looked like they belonged in each environment you’d find them in.
As nice as it’d be, I reckon a graphical overhaul is pretty low on Bungie’s priority list atm lol
I think the best thing we can see in terms of gameplay is just an overhaul to the enemy ai. Make them more interesting to fight instead of making bigger health bars that do more damage to you. Thought they were doing that with episodes where we would've steadily seen the vex changed, then fallen, then hive, but alas...
Edit: and as far as gambit goes, imo this is where they should push the letter with pvevp type game modes like Evolve where it's four hunters vs 1 big player controlled enemy (Imagine that's how they introduce the Aphelion) or something like dead by daylight or an infected type game mode.
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The reason why there will be less campaign experiences is because we are going outside or immediate narratives. Everything in Sol was about us, but not us exploring the universe; not everything is bound to be about us, or rather, not about us going to new locations because we are immediately tied to them. What if we go to a new "frontier" and have nothing to do with that planet but then are swept up into having to reconcile differences with whatever lurks on those planets to prevent emergent conflict with the natives? What if we go to a dormant planet that somehow awakens in our presence being there? These are much more compelling scenarios rather than always being on the defensive. Humanity has lost its sense of exploration and has been sheltered. Now in a time of seemingly less restrictive boundaries, we should be having space adventures and making discoveries. Having campaigns for the sake of having campaigns because big bad is doing a big bad thing isn't compelling after we just got off a 10 year narrative of being defensive. Let your wonder wander, let us find other interesting things to do.
Also, having the expansions be non-linear and letting you start at point A and meander to point Z and then to point B and so on and so forth will be good for content creators because that means every person could be doing different goals making the streaming and CC communities a lot more varied on release. What if Datto finds a quest that leads to a super hidden exotic but Aztecross finds a route to a new activity (I seriously think Bungie was testing that with the hidden quest node in Act 1)
My biggest hope for these new "smaller expansions" is that Bungie really, REALLY breaks the formula. A destination that is a randomly-generated rougelike. A destination that is in deep space and has ship exploration and combat. A destination where we can cozy-game manage and customize like a farm or colony or something. I'm just praying for interesting and NEW experiences.
Honestly I think the ship part would be waaay to much work. Other than that I agree with you
Organic missions, exploration, and rewarding loot. Don't make it a Strike that brings us to an otherwise unused portion of a map (cough cough Cosmodrome) Pale Heart kinda gets this right. Europa has LOTS of paths to go down, but in Open World exploration there's nothing there. Put enemies or event triggers down those paths that spawn public events (as in everyone on that instance of the map could participate, not a normal capital P Public Event) like a boss or a puzzle or unlockable/collectable. Maybe Atrax could spawn in anywhere in the system randomly like an enemy Xur. I dunno. USE THE SPACE to make the world The World, and not just an arena where stuff happens this season.
Should've put Mr. Fruit in Charlie's room for the thumbnail
With no word on restoration of the original campaign contents, no new player has any fucking clue where their character fits in the game because it's still all gone. The new player experience is the original D2 campaigns. And they refuse to do anything about it.
I cannot explain Destiny 2 ever to a new player. I've tried. Multiple times. My friend quit super fast because he could not figure out where or what to do or why he should care.
the Mr.Fruit jumpscare was unexpected but definitely welcomed
Cant say I am surprised. It’s very clear they are all working on Marathon, this two dlc model seems to be a way to lessen the workload so that they can focus more into Marathons success.
This seems like a pitch doc honestly, a bunch of ideas that are cool but obviously not 100% thought through.
Also, as a GM player, I gotta say that I big disagree with the idea that we shouldn't be able to get the best gear with currencies.
Destiny works on two fronts: immediate rewards and long-term rewards, and the various currencies you for playing long term. They allow every activity to be rewarding by giving you a little bit, so that eventually you can cash out on something you want.
Remove any need for materials, and power hungry players have like 3 activities to play while they level, which would create an even larger rift in the player base. At least now, when I do a Master Nightfall with my lower level friends, I'm still getting Ascendant Shards which can help me build better into GM nightfalls and such. If I'm not getting better gear, I'm not doing anything other than the highest activity, in which case I will never see a new player and they may as well not exist to me.
Datto doesn't think anyone should have good loot except for people who play this game as a fucking job
I think this article was to let players know they are laying the groundwork for future content. I don’t think the game will do great when this stuff first comes out, but as time goes on it will get better.
Seeing fruit and Datto together irl. I’m jizzing everywhere.
The way I interpreted the change to the purpose of crafted weapons and the introduction of weapon tiers, is that, is that weapon tiers replace or add onto the enhancing system we got in TFS, and the final tier of the weapon is objectively better than a crafted roll (though I do feel like a bigger incentive would be like enhanced perks 2.0, where they are better than crafted ones, so players have motivation to chase them), but perhaps weapon tiers are only available to ‘new weapons’ (I.e. from either the current expansion or update), so for those who either missed out on those weapons, didn’t get the godroll to enhance or weren’t ‘skilled’ (subjective) enough or had a team to get the highest tier.
Personally I see weapon tiers as being a really cool pursuit for those who delve into both PvP and PvE (me), because the stat boosts you would get from enhanced mag and barrels would make a genuine improvement to playing. For example, either the range bonus from rifled barrel would increase or the handling demerit was decreased. I can’t see much of a benefit of enhanced mags and barrels in PvE aside from weapon feel for controller and console and perhaps a situation (for example) where enhanced flared magwell has so much reload that I never have to consider using a glove reload mod ever again. But then again, who doesn’t want a bit more range, a bit more stability, handling and reload? That being said I’m not sure if an enhanced mag, barrel and origin trait would be enough to motivate those who wouldn’t otherwise devour the challenge Bungie presents us, unless the origin trait is already cracked (looking at you Cursed Thrall). Perhaps instead of a simple +2 to all stats aside from masterwork you get from enhanced and crafted weapons at lv20, it’s a +4 or +5 or goes up with weapon tier.
Rant over (at least for this comment).
I thought my TH-cam glitched
As a casual player i DO NOT like the one drop linear style. Changing that style to match more open MMO progression/style would make things much more free and relaxing. The current model just kills any sort of wonder after the first few missions because we can kinda see where things are going. Giving an option to find where things are going MANUALLY YOURSELF would be fire.
Considering his tired state, it almost seems as if, right before this recording began, Skeletor sounded the alarm and started shouting "DATTO!!! DATTOOOO!!! WAKE UP! WAKE THE F*CK UP!!! MORE NEWS FROM THOSE NITWITS AT BUNGIE!!!"
Tom Christie's Skeletor videos have completely colonized my interpretation of any D2 commentary. They are the sbsolute best.
I think the weapon tiers should be like Diablo: play on harder difficulties, get higher tier stuff
Datto I wanted you to leave Fruit on this video, call himself Datto and absolutely refuse to elaborate further
I think crafting should just be seperate from weapon drops. Like, there are weapons that drop and there's ones that you have to make
At this point I just feel like all the negativity is just an echo-chamber from other people with these articles. Who told them we want non-linear story progression..? Like.. huh?
Bro one of negatives of expansions is that when you finish them, that's it. Only the hardcore campaign fanatics replay them because they are identical on every playthrough. Putting all that development time into something a huge majority of people only play through once is such a waste when they could make non linear stuff that's actually replayable.
we need a core rogue-like mode (a la the coil) with a new "map" every season that doesn't go away and has updated rewards.
I liked having the campaigns but they were terrible at a couple of things
- Delivering a satisfying extended campaign with an engaged player experience outside of just doing missions
- Teching players how to engage in the games content after completing the campaign
They should let the players vote on what to sunset
Imo, the ball is in Bungie’s court right now, they need to cook and it sounds like they are, it’s time to move passed the vitriol and get to work. I think this huge drop was a really good idea. We needed info and they gave us at the very least a start. I’m very optimistic.
Datto doesn't lfg/fireteam find and its very apparent based on his takes.
Man that intro. We got Destiny Creator cameos before GTA 6.
On the topic of difficulty...I want them to add contest mode to raids for those who want to practice. Obviously keep the emblem exclusive to day 1 but I want to be able to say I did some of these on contest and get that practice
An idea to add loot chase back while keeping crafted weapons, would be that you can only craft a perk into a weapon, if you’ve gotten that perk from a drop. So if a weapon has bait and switch for example, you can only put bait and switch on your crafted weapon once you’ve got bait and switch to drop organically
It's amazing how our new ideas for how to make crafting better continues to be the thing people wanted when it released.
Would like to see more people talking about the wording in roadmap under expansion. It states an expansion will include raids and dungeons plural under the expansion singular tab. It implies that one expansion could contain more than one raid and dungeon which seems very unlikely but... why is it written like that. I just want clarification on how many raids we are getting a year or a conversation around it but currently online not many people are talking about it.
Loot is the main issue in destiny. Engram focusing crafting and target farming as a whole in their current states hurts the game and makes Loot feel stale. Engram focusing is far too prevalent and should be dialed way back. Crafting is obviously making random Loot drops feel obsolete and while I don't think the system needs to go I'd like to see perks for crafted weapons be separated from the random drop pool. Finally, Target farming is fine on its own but with all these together its just too much currently.
I don't like using good weapons either
@@Zoninator what does anything I said have to do with using good or bad weapons? This is entirely about the gameplay loop to earn them being so broken that any value is gone from any loot we get.
@@christophergranger6422my god cry cry cry whiner
@darthwisetheplagueis5869 ah yes I'm crying for giving constructive criticism. I'm just curious but do you use both brain cells at the same time or do you have to actively try to be this stupid?
Controversial but I don't want more challenge. I want the base game to be fun. Because of work I don't have a lot of time. I want to jump in, play and jump back out. The game should be average difficulty and allow you to make it more difficult like they are suggesting.
TLDR of the day, all the streamers and influencers need to quit doom posting until something is actually announced. This actually seems pretty promising honestly. I'll miss having a narrative campaign simply because the characters are so likable, but I'd honestly love to see if they are able to bring back some of the sense of mystery like in D1 when all the lore seemed so interesting scattered about.
Agreed
After a decade of Bungie constantly failing to make Destiny rise to its fulfill its potential, I think the doom posting is justified.
@@Scyth0r Not really when The Final Shape was peak
@@oxsila Peak nostalgia bait lmao
When ritual weapons were introduced, it was under the premise that they would be "80% of a God roll". They should have taken a similar approach to crafting. Allow you to craft the roll you want, but no option to enhance perks. As good as it may be, there would still be a better, enhanced version out there you could grind for.
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This part was too fuckin funny😂
With the tiers, something interesting or a possible outcome/fix is the tier is the amount of enhanced perks. Tier 1 allows you to enhance a single perk of your choice, where tier 5 allows for 5 enhanced perks. Allows people to feel like they can improve what they got, but if they chase harder content to get the higher tier, they're rewarded with a higher ceiling for the weapon/armor