The Problem(s) With Netflix Avatar
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Which Character was done DIRTIEST by this adaptation?
Katara! All her attitude was stripped away!
From where i heard (since i haven't watched it, not really interested) Katara, they did so dirty for her, they remove the traits what made her a important character to the narrative and made her bland, it's like the writers of the live action heard the complaints that fans had with Katara and boom, her flaws and attributes that define her? Gone.
Katara and Azula
Probably Katara. When the original show came out, there was a loud section of the audience that found her annoying and grating simply because she was a girl with an a fierce and independent attitude.
The live action unfortunately tried to cater to those people and took away everything that made her great.
@@botanicalitus4194 This is unfortunately common for most girl characters, this happened with Amy which they're just removing the traits that made her a fun character by giving "safe" writing to the loud minority that considers her "mature", just removing the flaws that are considered "annoying" apparently
For a remake that wants to be “more adult and gritty like Game of Thrones”, they sure made Zukos iconic scar less horrific and noticeable than what the “show made for kids” did where he can barely keep his bad eye open
He has his eyebrow for Pete's sake
I KNOW RIGHT like my first reaction was "why does he look like he has a messed up smokey eye????
@@demodrawings it looked less like a burn mark and more like a birth mark to me
@alibrennan5977 yeah like bro ozai touched his face WITH A LITERAL HAND OF FIRE and it just looks like a birthmark or a shitty smokey eye
Game of Thrones comparison must be the dumbest thing they tried to sell us. Could had just said Star Wars, Wednesday or even Lord of the rings. But no baiting people to expect a full course meal and actually getting a oversize kids meal truly give a bitter taste afterward.
The fact the actual kids show handled angst, loss, and trauma more than this live action bullshit is comical
I will tell anybody who asks about the series: "Watch the cartoon, it is more adult than the live action!"
@@adamrak7560but sadly, just like with comparing berserk and game of thrones, people wont watch the live action because it live action just like people won't watch the animation, just because its animation.
If anyone say cartoon are for kids ill talk about how the liveaction of avatar is less mature than the animation
Anime has been doing this for decades at this point, watch Black lagoon or psycho pass if you haven't already. The west doesn't respect animation and that's the real problem here
Handled war and its effects on people, how just because someone is part of one nation isnt necessarily bad or good, how you witness only the aftermath of a genocide and never during it elevates the gravity of horrific atrocities the fire nation committed.
It’s amazing how this version spoke more than the original yet has less to say
Yeah because they keep repeating themselves over and over.
That's a great review.
I wanna ask, did you watch the og avatar? Because many ppl are judging this first season against the entirety of the cartoon. Instead of just the first season or hell, idk, its own thing. The show if fine and even does some things better than in the og show. Like fine ng out about zuko's banishment. This offered, to me, a more adult take on what was clearly a Saturday morning cartoon.
@@mania4270 A Saturday cartoon with insane levels of character depth and storytelling while still being entertaining and fun for kids?
Even on its own, the show is just way too much exposition and no actual moments of follow up for said exposition. It also takes itself WAY too seriously so nothing has any real weight because the entire show is just full of angst and seriousness with barely any lighthearted moments to actually let us care about these characters.
@@mania4270 I wanna ask you if you watched the original first season. Because we all agree that it is the weakest of the 3 but it is still quite good. Most shows struggle in the first season as they build their world and characters. However, I would say that by he midpoint of the season 1 it hits its stride. Also considering the fact that this live action adaptation is obsessed with bringing in characters and elements from season 2, I think it is fare to at least draw some comparisons to season 2 as well. I think it is hilarious that they wanted to add so much new material and characters including moments from another season, while they clearly were struggling to fit it all into 8 episodes. I am extremely disappointed because I see the potential for a great show. I think they have done a great job with the casting and action pieces. I do actually generally like quite a few of their new changes and directions, but they have done such a poor job of writing and splicing together the material from various episodes it is really hard to watch given the original. I am a huge og fan, but even I will admit there are moments and episodes that can be improved upon, particularly in season 1. For every good change they have made, there feels like 10 other bad writing, dialogue or editing decision.
Bumi and Aang don’t feel like they have that kinda relationship to make them go “I’m totally gonna name my first born after you” ya know.
Live action Aang gonna be like, "Bumi who? Who's that?" And name his first born kid Kuzon instead with this energy 💀
Son? Buddy, he have more romantic chemistry with his glider than katara
@@shawerful5209he had more chemistry with his flying ruminant dog pal😭😭😭😭
They never did its weird that he did. I was shocked in LOK when it turned out he didnt name a single child Gyatso
@@stephaniewilliams6756 I don't think that would've been right. bumi was his friend, a symbol of his old life that brought him hope for the future of his new one. that's not to say gyatso wasn't also his friend, but first and foremost, he was his mentor, a guide and a paternal figure, and storytelling wise, he represented the air nation that aang lost.
it would've been unfair of him to put that expectation on his son, specially considering the implied expectation that he would be an airbender, and how it would affect him when it turned out he wasn't one.
i think Bumi was a good name to give him, that represented aang's connection to his past and his hope for the future while at the same time allowing for bumi to grow into his own person without the burden of the expectations that would come if he'd named him gyatso, specially considering aang never really got a resolution to that relationship with their last interaction, which i'm guessing was not the case when og bumi died.
I find it hilarious that the cretaors wanted to attract a more mature audience despite the animated series being more mature and subtle
wanted to attract game of thrones fans despite the fact the show came out almost 20 years ago and the majority of its fans ARE mature
You mean the actual avatar creators, because they didn’t-now if you mean Netflix THEY DID
@@MasquelleProbably Netflix because of the “wanting to attract Game of Thrones fans”. If I remember correctly this was said after the original creators left the show. Also I don’t think they would want to attract GoT fans given the original show.
Ur probably one of those people who thing sokka being sexist is a great take ... small minded mfs
I mean, Legend of Korra fell into exactly the same trap.
Say what you want about the writing, Zuko getting beaten up by a random civilian lady is something that would 100% happen in the original show.
Honestly the fire siblings came off so good and they did something intriguing with azula that the show never did because ozai is a bit softer
No maybe for a quick gag but not a serious fight
I bet that this was written by the OGs before they left.
Agreed
@@tristandelasuertemexclaOr maybe it would be serious, imagine him being caught stealing in season 2 & the owner of the goods was a non bender lady who decided to do something in the matter, & he took the beating out of shame & not wanting to hurt her like he was.
It felt rushed, like they just jammed all the emotional scenes from the cartoon together and it never had time to breathe
They use the character developed episodes at best filler episodes were just combined
I don't understand getting rid of the artificial episode runtime of old TV (22 min and 44 min), just to keep artifical stuff like number of episodes when producing shows ( TV nowadays loves 8 episodes for some reason), that forced them to merge different episodes in such a way that the stories depicted were all rushed and didn't just lose the original meaning but some lost ALL meaning (HeiBai never got a resolution).
These show would be much better if they just gave them a budget and let them decide how many episodes how long each would be, giving them a set number just ensured the original plot lines would be mangled beyond recognition...
@@adilsoncaetano5684 this is currently the standard format for series to become a hit apparently by executives's mindset, since it's either your show becomes a hit when people watch an entire show or getting cancelled by just getting started by episode three, though i don't understand why eight episodes when even ten would've worked better
@@NicoleFlores-hq5nh Exactly, 8 can't be a size fits all number, even if they are determined to make less episodes, 8 is still way too short, I'd like to believe this was a gamble and the shows popularity would get it more episodes for the later seasons but I think it will instead for them affirm that they are on the right path... And giving Netflix shows the benefit of the doubt that they will improve going foward has been a consistent disappointment... i.e. Witcher....
@@adilsoncaetano5684 sadly true, for example, as much as i love Hazbin Hotel, the series needed more than eight episodes, like thirteen would've been enough but currently that's the standard for every show now
I commented this on another video, too, but the only dialogue needed in the first scene is "youre too late, the message is already on its way to the earth kingdom"
"Good'
Literally.
@@SarcasticChorus I WISH they stopped there. It could easily have just smash cut to the next scene to, I don’t know. MAKE THE SCENE MORE TENSE but nooooo they just had to give up more exposition for us to choke on.
like, mulan did it right. cmon
The whole scene is completely unnecessary.
Why did we need to know the details of the attack against the air nomads?
Showing the attack is more than enough, or better yet, just show the remains of the temples and people would put two and two together, it worked for the animated show.
Literally the beginning of Mulan, the good one not the bad one.
I'm wondering if the writers grew up with parents who constantly needed every scene of a TV show explained to them. And their writing style ended up being built around the idea that "people need a sledgehammer to drive in a nail".
oh trust me. i have encountered people like that a lot.
like they watch one episode of a new anime and then complain they didn't get an exposition dump. like bro, give the show some time to cook or just pay attention to the action on screen a bit more.
My parents are that type. I have to explain Hotd to them constantly.
@@ghoulchan7525I’m not quite mad at them. The average viewer often misses things (whether due to distraction or lack of media literacy) and then complain about something they got wrong rather than rewatch an episode. Whenever I don’t understand something I try to engage in fandom to different explanations or things I missed. But I am a hardcore fandom space doesn’t represent the casual viewer.
Hell even fandom isn’t above this stupidity. See the way the fandom responds to Katara. People legit think she did apologize to Sokka because we didn’t see it on screen. The way they unironically think she whines about her mother too much or don’t really understand the layers in how her mother’s death affected. (They don’t realize that Katara has survivors guilt and literally had to take her mother’s place.)
@@PrincessLioness In the context of GoT and HotD, it's cause these producers try to appeal to the crowd that doesn't care outside of the visuals and base story beats. They don't force people with lesser media literacy to grow, challenge their opinions, and actually pay attention.
@@PrincessLioness Hah, that's my dad too. I don't often watch stuff with him because we just don't have the same interests in media, but I'm just driven up a wall just by how much seems to fly over his head and he needs me to spoon feed him literally what just happened on screen. Not saying my dad is dumb by any means, but he is a pretty blunt person so maybe subtlety just flies over his head.
Unfortunately, a lot of characters I like seem to be wildly unpopular because of some very surface level complaints such as "she's annoying, and useless" and blah blah blah. I've stopped debating with such people because it was just too exhausting in the end.
This show is way more mature than the cartoon I swear. The characters are constantly telling me so.
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THEY FELL FOR THE "TALK DON'T SHOW" PROBLEM TWICE?!?
How does this keep happening with live action adaptations to animated shows?!
Too focused on visuals. Forgot about substance. Who needs a good script if you got flashy stuff happening on your screen. Sure seem to convinced a lot of people.
My guess, bad writing trying to fit penny pinching. A few minutes of close up dialogue dumps on a set you already have guarantees the point is conveyed and is easy to estimate costs while assuring everyone gets the plot.
They have nothing new to show, precisely because it’s a remake. But rather than just make it the same, they choose to make it worst.
They keep cutting down on the screen time.
Imagine you wanna show Aang being friendly.
You could, for example, show Aang playing with his friends, which requires a stage where it happens, a reason a writea must come up to, and an actor for each friend.
Or you could make Aang say he likes playing with friends.
Which one do you think is easier and cheaper?
There you have your answer.
Amén to that. And boy they did Katara SO dirty on this
They did everyone dirty :(
@@stuntdollYeah but Katara became either a blank slate or her Ember Island parody.
@@stuntdoll Everyone in the fire nation were pretty decent. Crazy how the side characters are treated with more care then the main ones
These are the dumbest take ... stupid mfs
@JAY-gm9bt Yeah but Zukos scar is bad, so it evens out
A common problem of this show along with many others like it is that the creators are so scared of giving the heros flaws of any kind and just dilutes everything to make the five year olds watching this understand who’s the bad guy and who’s the good guy but ruining the experience for everyone else
Not just the heroes. Now every villain has to be some kind of victim or 'they're just doing what they must' bullshit. I miss the charismatic true psychos who just want everyone and everything to burn.
@ignorant1126 If you're referring to the LA. That is not Azula. Azula doesn't lose her cool. Azula doesn't refuse her father. The original Azula is confident, composed, and intimidating. LA Azula is an emotionally unstable child in comparison.
Honestly, from the way she's portrayed right now, i wouldn't be surprised if she teams up with Zuko in the end to face Ozai. That or she's going to be deranged from start to finish.
Not saying that plot won't work, but that's still not Azula
The original series never picture the world as simple as black and white
The irony is that this show _wasn't made for five year olds,_ it was made for adults. But despite that its less mature than the actual kid's show version.
@@wilsonooi4031 The people who think that every evil person has some kind of justification or that anyone is redeemable....Not only are those people sheltered, naïve, and insufferably smug, they are actually dangerous to society. We know for a fact that there are truly vile, unforgivably malignant monsters among humankind. Monsters who gleefully delight in spreading pain and misery to others. Many of them know exactly what they're doing and do not care about anyone besides themselves. And many of them fully willing to commit the most heinous atrocities on the most trivial of whims. But oh noes, the mass murdering r@pists had bad childhoods, and they just need a hug.
People complain about Filler-ish episodes, say what you want about them, but for Avatar, especially in adapting it, you have to put filler in to give us more time to breath.
Like, dear god, the amount of season two content being pushed into season 1 is just... Jesus take a sec to breath, dear god. Surprised they didn't introduce Toph in this one, given that they are more than comfortable in "Little Solider Boy", Azula, Ozai's face reveal, and skipping past the part AANG NEEDS TO LEARN THE ELEMENTS TO GROW AS THE AVATAR
It’s not filler if it properly characterizes the cast.
Breathe*
Filler not bad just don't over do it
Exactly! The writing is definitely a problem on its own but I think it's suffering from the same issue as Hazbin Hotel. They're trying to cram too much story into 8 episodes, leaving no room for character development or relationships, no buildup to major plot points, no exploring the world/setting. Seasons used to be like 10-20 episodes. I hope we can get back to that bc this "speedrun the plot" format is not working.
@@HopAndLockDropSoppityPop it's not even that, it's that they're wasting their time doing useless things. If filler was an actual concern, the narrative time wouldn't change, since you can just implied that time passed
For me, personally, I feel that making Iroh a more flawed character _doesn't work._ Iroh is NOT supposed to be a flawed character, he's supposed to be a flat character (a flat character is a character that does not change throughout the story, but is rather a catalyst for change in other characters). Iroh already went on his arc off-screen, which is why he's as wise and compassionate in the show. He's supposed to be there to help Zuko on his journey, because Iroh went through the same struggle before and grew to be a wise teacher because of it.
Wait, would not the term be Static character and not flat character?
Static is a char who doesn't go trough an arc
Flat character is the term for someone without much defined qualities and is too one note and while im not familiar with Avatar, i dont think i would call Iroh flat
Except they messed all his backstory timeline to get an early cheap shot at leaves from the vines.
In the original, he loses his son and empire when zuko is a kid, leaving him tile to Travel the world, meet other benders and question his beliefs and change.
Here it just happened recently. He can t have gone through his character arc and it breaks his whole story with zuko.
You mean static character. That's what a static character does. A flat character is just one that's boring.
i just really dislike pieces of media (ESPECIALLY remakes of extremely good IPs) that talk about being more "mature" and actually they just mean more (or more explicit) violence. that shit doesnt add anything when we're not talking about a splatter-gore movie. the messages, the dialogue, the emotions are so much deeper and more "adult"in the original than in this. its kind of crazy actually.
I've never seen Netflix "mature" adaptation of old piece of media, where the "mature" part didn't mean looking grey, violance, devil's tango and overdoing subsnaces for adults. (I look at you Netflix"Winx").
Especially when they call that piece of media "just for kids", while it talks about death, massive genocide, trauma and great sacrafices.
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I feel the exact same way, there's no reason to show the violence it doesn't add anything. Avatar originally had enough violence considering all the genocide and attempted genocide.
@@angelb33ts From what I remember from Jassie Gender (not sure if I spelled it right) one of creators said something like "It would be really cool to see a genocide" and then tried to explain it so it wouldn't sound so bad.
@@lilik7323 yes exactly, jessie genders video about this is really good!
Exactly lol
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Why do people like this?
He is the banshied prince who had his face burnt by his own father, when would he have the time to act like a teenager?
I feel like the point of Zuko in the show, especially at the start was that he got robbed of his childhood, that he was forced to grow in a war torn world environment, discarded by his father as a disgrace and torn from his mother who he haven't seen since the day she was banished, which happened before he was banished himself.
He isn't edgy for the sake of being edgy, he is edgy because he was royally screwed in his childhood and was forced to face the cruel reality of the world.
Yeah, He was 13 when his father burned his face and banished him from his country. With his only hope of being able to go home, to what nobody has been able to for the past 100 years. The cartoon shows us why Zuko was how he was. But this Zuko should be angrier, and more ruthless than the cartoon. This Zuko not only fought, but technically beat his father. But because couldn’t burn his father’s face off, his father burns his face. So really, this Zuko should probably be merciless, since it was mercy that got him burned and banished.
And as stated in the video it will absolutely demolish his redemption arc
Yeah. He's so angsty because He's rejecting everything around him - He rejects his uncle, because he can't accept a surrogate father that'll mean giving up on his real father.
He rejects his life because that means giving up on the old one.
One thing that bugs me is Zuko's scar! No live action manages to actually show how it should be. His ear is fused to his head and he barely can open his eye, it's a 3rd degree burn that left a huge scar, it's pure luck that his eye still works... Cue Netflix's Ozai pointblank blowtorching his son's eye resulting in a scar that looks like a Port wine stain birthmark. For all the visuals that the show get's right, the most visible and constant reminder of the Firelord and Fire Nation's cruelty is awfully subdued, while also being something that is easily doable with sfx make-up. It seems that they don't wan't to make Zuko "unappealing" at all, what is very ableist in my opinion.
I also noticed this! And it’s insane they feel the need to make him “more appealing” because he was totally a heartthrob when I was a kid, no matter the burn lol.
Yeah, it is so weird. The scar has a huge significance, both from a narrative and a psychological point of view (when it comes to Zuko's psychology). He doesn't need adaptational attractiveness...also, because he is 16! One other thing that bugged me a bit in episode 1 is that in certain scenes you can clearly see Katara's make-up. Do they have a Sephora in her village? I know, it's a weird thing to be bothered by, but it's odd.
I hate that zuko fights his father, it kills his entire standing up to his father arc from the cartoon. For a "Mature show" a father brutally burning his child who is begging for mercy and doesn't want to fight his father is far more dark then this is shown.
being "eh" is so much worse than being mid, i haven't seen a single clip and still feel like i still saw way too much of this.
So you're judging a show you haven't even watched. Hahaha that's so lame 😂 Atleast you're honest about it ig
OK, 12-year-old
(My reply was to modkip, sorry)
@@randomspider725"oK 12 yEaR oLd" HAHAhahah 😂 Is that the best you've got? It's not even a counter argument, m oron
@@randomspider725"oK 12 yEaR oLd" hahahahah 😂 Is that the best you've got? It's not even a counter argument, m oron
I like how they attacked the airbenders during the comet not because it enhanced their firebending, but because every airbender in the world went to one place for a party.
Why?
@@Shadowbaneado Obviously the guy's being sarcastic like. Or liked it in a "this is stupid" way.
I unironically liked that the live action had the Airbender all in one place for the comet. Why? Because unless the fire nation was able to sneak attack all 4 temples without alerting the other nations, their intentions would've most likely been very telegraphed. Not to mention the coordination required to ensure that none of the Airbenders would be able to flee and warn others via air bison.
With how hard that kyoshi scene went, i really wish they just did a more gritty/heartfelt live action of her novels instead lmao.
She looked great and had a great soundtrack. But honestly the bending was a little off. When I think Kyoshi I think power stance, strong rigid movements like an earth bender. Powerful, effective, lethal bending with huge impacts. But she sorta twirled around and exploded. I enjoy the scene but it doesn't feel like it's her style of bending... I mean nobody died! She even gave that speech about being a merciless warrior just right before!
@@wilsonooi4031 they lack hose original martial arts influences and just mix and match modern mma movements instead for the bending
they gave rokus scene to her bc big stwong bisexual women need rep or sum shit
@@teleportingpotatoe No I think it was more because of the order of episodes and they wanted to hype the most hyped avatar in the community. I think they really wanted to speedrun it.
@@bobtheball5384 You're right, I just finished the season and we've physically seen every previous avatar in the cycle except Yangchen.
God it's exactly the same problem as live action Mulan. In trying to be girlbossy they took a message that's genuinely good for kids and society as a whole (for one, empathy, understanding and community being the only true way to bring peace. For the other everyone has their own strengths regardless of how they were born, to be cunning and care for others is true strength) and traded it for "the special one is super special and cool look at our fights aren't they cool? The others? Pfft who cares? Check out how cool out Special Chosen One is though!"
Not only is he the most special one, he is a quirky little guy! Just when you thought you were bored, nope, here he is to tell you about how weird and small of a dude he is
Live Action Mulan is extra insidious because the original is an *explicit* criticism of sexism and "tradition" dictating one's role in life.
The Live Action version instead makes Mulan *apologize* for breaking tradition and only makes it okay in the context of the movie because she's the chosen one who is genetically superior. They literally _inverted_ the moral of the story.
@@JRexRegisExactly. The love action Mulan is actually so blatantly sexist in how Mulan feels guilt for taking her fathers place, on top of her saying "I know my place". Like WHAT? Literally the only reason she's treated with respect by her male peers is because she has superpowers, not because they actually respect her feminity or who she is as a person.
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Its like they were falling over themselves trying to write for a certain audience, that they ended up missing the message and just alienating them even more. 🤦🏿♂️
Also s/o to them using Grecian Phoenix imagery instead of the Chinese one and all it took was just a google search. 🤷🏿♂️
I hope this shows people that hollywood and the film industry is largely run by narcissists who dont understand the nature of relationships and how they work. They are incapable of understanding the depth of human beings beyong surface level things in order to portray them effectively onscreen
Seeing Aang monologue to Appa made me realize what this show would be.
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ALSO AANG NEVER HELPED HEI BAI! WHAT THE HECK!
Excuse meWUT
@@Ramsey276one yes
Same here. That close up on Aang monologuing basically shattered the 4th wall, it was just exposition dumping to the audience. And the fix is so easy, just a few wide shots or shot/reverse/shots showing Aang next to Appa during the monologue would make it feel more natural.
@@jmcateer0but the budget lol. They already maxed out at 15mil an episode, more animals and it would be like 2 Marvel movies at once
If they ever get to adapt the final battle, $5 says they make Aang kill the fire lord. They really don't understand what Aang's character is about. They put all this emphasis on power and strength - you just know they're going to do it. Because in their minds, it would be "more realistic" and "more mature". 🙄
Absolutely correct. The people writing this shit most likely does not realize that to be truly mature is to also know one very important thing: mercy. And how you know when to give that mercy, the forgiveness, the empathy.
Most people now a days in Stupidwood are too immature for people pushing 30, 40, 50, 60. Which is kinda funny and sad at the same time.
Honestly? I kinda took issue with that in the original show. Bending his, well, bending away felt like kind of a cop-out. And by all accounts, Ozai is the person who least needs that mercy.
The thing is, in a show where all side of the moral spectrum are shown, even the extremes, it feels a little odd for aang to struggle with ending a person that is irredeemable. You should avoid doing that, but in reality, sometimes people like that need to be taken down, and sometimes, there’s no other way to do it than that. I mean, Iroh literally says as such in the original show at some point, so it’s not like the show is fully pacifist.
Point being, I think you can make that work. There’s a way to use that moment to further illustrate what war does to us. If your gonna make if work though, it has to be the only time aang crosses that line, to give weight to the decision.
But I agree: I don’t foresee the show handling that well lol
I absolutely agree. Even as a kid I did wonder why Aang didn't do his job properly.
To be fair, he still did, but in a different sort of way. He killed the Emperor of the Fire Nation without spilling blood in a way by taking the most powerful firebender's bending ability away. Made him worth nothing, just another joe schmoe on the street.
The way it was handled in the original show was ass, but I think the last half of the third season was overall rushed because of Nickelodeon's fuckery and not the writers themselves, since it felt like there were supposed to be 4 books. Water, Earth, Fire, then Air that brings Aang back to his roots and, probably, finding the solution to his conundrum more naturally instead of... lionturtle.
Aang was a master Airbender at a very young age, which means he knew all the teachings, the learnings, everything and lived and breathed what it meant to be an Airbender. Truly killing Ozai the way he deserved was something he would never realistically be able to do, even after another Avatar Airbender said he needs to do what is best for the world. This actually shows that Aang has an integrity and a strong moral compass that many of us wish we had, and he refused to give in and break those morals by finding another way.
I think the end result when it came to the avatar state in the last bit of the third season as well as the mcguffin-turtle could have been introduced better, because it is the perfect solution to his problem, and one that, as an Avatar, should be unique to his status. Thus another reason I hate TLOK@@TheNwr1
@@TheNwr1but they don’t need to be taken down that way in fiction …. So he gets to form a new art with the help of an ancient deity, which was risky in itself, and perhaps naive of an endeavor to pursue in that moment. That’s what makes it a good choice of writing to me. Aang would choose that, you wouldn’t, but I would, so it’s relatable. I’d never wanna kill someone, I’d rather rehabilitate em. That’s not always possible, but that’s reality, not fantasy.
I would accept that taking away his bending makes him child-like but still aware or perhaps a coma or whatever, but killing him totally undermines the entire air nomad philosophy let alone Aang’s, they’re literally vegetarians lmao
I thought it was pretty clear Azula was abused in the show. That's what makes her fate so sad. She wasn't physically abused but she was groomed emotionally and mentally.
Even if they wanted to make it explicit, that belongs in season 3 - maybe even in The Beach. Showing it first makes her less intimidating.
which goes against all her characterization that she reveled in the power dynamics
It's true that she was abused, just not in the way that the show portrays here.
i'm starting to suspect the fire lord has a plan
his speech is so subtle, i didn't even notice that.
Well, you see.... while everyone focuses on the earth kingdom......... nobody will focus on us!
Wait a minute, play that back again, I don’t think anyone got it
Yes then we can use this time to kill the avatar by also killing the airbenders..... That's a good idea if I do say so myself.... And then once we kill all the airbenders we can now continue the war..... Yes that is truly a great plan that I came up with.... Good job me 👏
The bigger problem with the badger moles sensing emotions instead of vibrations is they are the ones who taught Toph how to earthbend. So how is that gonna work when she shows up. Instead of seeing through vibrations, she's going to see via sensing emotions?? That makes no sense.
My sad headcanon is that because the moles are still blind they will lean on that instead of the story from Oma and Shu to truly enhance it. Toph will probably be like, "Oh they are blind like me!" and then simply learn to earth bend by herself feeling strong like a badger mole instead of "watching them" like in the original since this show appears to be against learning anything from a master! I really hope the whole self-empowerment thing dies in S2 because Avatar was originally about balance.
Toph will be a buff Guy who can see by emitting sonic waves with her mouth.
"WAHHHAAAAAAAAAAAH", There, she had a good look at the situation.
I fully expect that in this version Toph will not be blind. She will be coming from a poor family, but will not be blind...
@@user-qj9en1kp1m Nah, they’d tokenize the shit out of Toph being blind. No way they’d make her not.
Killing the airbenders on screen felt so tasteless and unnecessary
How is it tasteless?
@@audreyharris7643 Its tasteless because its a _literal genocide_ and they made it an action scene.
Think about it like this... Imagine if they made a show where the Nazis put all the Jews in concentration camps, but they treated it like some kind of Avengers battle. THAT would be messed up. The same principle applies here. There wasn't an ounce of solemn respect or sadness, it was just pure spectacle. It spits in the face of how heavy and serious a topic it actually is.
@@lasercraft32 fair enough
@@lasercraft32 I felt disgusted watching that scene. I could barely stomach it. I made my sister skip it, and before anyone calls me lame for that, I was going through something emotionally at the time and grieving. Emotional or not, that was still a terrible scene to add, we're not stupid. Why do we need to see them be killed to know there was a genocide? Gyatso's skeleton was enough
You guys are literal snowflakes, I liked that it showed the battle.
Comparing this battle to a real life world event like the holocaust? Are you serious?? At least they didn’t show how the children came to an end, THAT would be tasteless.
My sister and I grow up loving the original cartoon so when the live action finally released... Let's just say we absolutely enjoy criticising the hell out of each and every episode without mercy so... All things considered, we technically have a great time.
Me and my family didn't enjoy the original cartoon, and we all enjoyed watching the live action one.
@@do-not-subscribeThat’s interesting
@@do-not-subscribeGood for you.
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criticizing is much more fun than watching the show that's for sure
The thing with the tunnel is worse when you remember that 1. the trail of glowing crystals marking the way was clearly set up by the earthbending lovers, hence being arranged in a way that actually helped lead the way and 2. Sokka originally found a way out without even seeing the riddle because he noticed that the badgermoles liked music and could be calmed with it.
It really bugs me how much they seem to be emphasizing power with the character arcs. Not just characters being strong as a marker of progress and worth instead of focusing on growth in philosophy and ideals but also with the shounen protagonist style comments/demonstration that they're already strong from the start. The avatar states gets watered down to a showy display of godlike power instead of emphasizing its spiritual aspects and the problems with treating it that way. It's all about how badass a character can be in a fight instead of actual strength of character.
Showing the airbender genocide really rubs me the wrong way. Whatever their intention was, taking a story that was able to convey Aang's loss with the aftermath 100 years after the fact and deciding a fight scene flashback is somehow better not only shows they don't understand what worked with the original but also how tasteless that kind of change ends up looking with the current and recent events taking up public attention. I think a lot of people really overlook just how much you can do with the limitations of a lower rating and how stories can flourish in those limitations. You don't need to show people dying to deal with how characters are affected by it.
It's really tiring that we're still dealing with grimdark writing around the idea that things being terrible and depressing is somehow more mature and that animation is more childish than live action. It's not just boring but also really unhelpful in terms of actually conveying a beneficial message to the audience. It's also a huge letdown when it's an adaptation of a story whose themes were centered around hope and compassion in a world that tries to stifle it. What we need are more hopeful stories and a celebration of the ones we have.
For a show that's supposed to be more mature than the original, they are terrified of making a character whos a "good guy" do anything bad. like god forbid Zuko actually does anything bad to actually have something to repent in the future. Same with haibai they didnt want to make him do anything actually bad so they just made kon do it cause hes actually evil. Avatar has brilliant character depth and this show writes characters like a 5 year old
Was Kon even evil in the original show or was he just a force of nature/aspect of a certain emotion?
But yeah I agree, too many times do I see MORALLY GREY DARK AND MATURE WRITING, but no one actually has a grey moral or does something to spark conflict. Worse, it's always some random 3rd party that's sole purpose is to have all the blame put on them
@@A_Person_64 from what I remember, Koh was framed as evil in the show but the comics basically showed that he steals faces out of jealousy of non spirits. Because his mother is The Mother of Faces and made every face of every creature on the planet out of love and he can’t see her because she lives in the human world and he’s trapped in the spirit world.
Dudes just a messed up mamas boy.
@WinterRabbit1 I honestly don't have an issue with that revelation happening in the comic since it was used as a call back to something that had appeared early on in the original show, but also made to expand on said call back. In the Netflix adaption where Aang meets Roku to get the statue for Koh, and Roku starts expositing that the statue was Koh mother and why it was important, it felt so out of place. The situation at hand was that Koh was going to eat the kidnapped villagers and Aang friends unless Aang gives him that statue. Roku exposition about what the statue represents felt so out of place. This information felt so unnecessary at the given situation that I feel that both Aang and the audiencee don't give a shit about it. In fact, I'm pretty sure Roku talking about Koh's mother was only included by the writers as a means to convey that they sort of know the series, but really all they did was read the wiki.
@@deadpoolrockz6410 oh it definitely felt out of place. I would have rather, if they were going to have the statue at all, have it as a background prop.
It was completely unnecessary when the sequence and rules from the show could have been reworked with much better results.
To this day I will never understand the need to remake this series into live action. WE HAVE THE ANIMATED SERIES. We don’t need a shot for shot remake, we already have it!
Mmmmmoney.
literally money.
Thats the problem they keep changing shit for the worse! They SHOULD have done a shot for shot live action then it might actually be good.
and we have the comics too, and there's a bunch
But why do people keep on falling for this crap? Kept on happening with the live action disney movies.
I just finished it and I was like "PAKU TAUGHT HER NOTHING???"
One thing about the way guilt was handled in the original was that you still felt guilt when it was necessary. They made it work because they contrasted that guilt with Aang’s fun and glee and then Aang’s emotional outbursts felt more relatable and authentic.
In this one he feels like hes already a 40 year old man whose had the life beaten out of him.
And in the original aang s guilt made sense, he did run away.
In the netflix he just went on a stroll and got super unlucky.
It s not the same to be guilty for what you decided or for what happened to you by chance...
I really can t understand why the scenarists changed that. It doesn t take more or less time to shoot but it alters aang s character profoundly.
If they wanted to make a live action avatar I've been saying they shouldn't make an adoption of Last Airbender if they wanted to change shit so much. they should have just told a story of a prior avatar past life. Now we just have a subpar copy of the og show.
Ah but you see, that would require being creative. That is difficult. And tbf maybe it's better this way, since being the same story we can just say this version never happened, like shamalayan's, while if they made a series about a previous avatar like kyoshi or roku we'd need to acknowledge it as canon despite how bad it would probably be.
very few, as it is, accept TLoK as canon post season 1. @@bonogiamboni4830
@@bonogiamboni4830 can you imagine they really made Kiyoshi and she just flops 😢😢
@@bonogiamboni4830 I'd actually prefer if they made a different story. At least it would have some value on its own as an example of an story angle that may or may not work. Inferior copies of an already-established story don't even have that use. They're purely wastes of time.
Besides, I'd rather they tell a story about literally any of the other hundreds of avatars that existed. Objectively they could do *anything* with those, cause not every avatar's life has to be some exciting action-packed quest for balance. Kuruk's story could literally just be a romance/horror plot with no action whatsoever, but it'd at least have chance to be decent in its own genre.
I believe it would have been more prudent for them to wait until the release of the new animated film featuring the older Avatar: The Last Airbender (ATLA) gaang in 2025. Assuming its success, they could have collaborated with the creators to produce a LA mini-series centered around the older gaang. This approach would allow for a more mature narrative, avoiding the repetition of the same storyline while still evoking nostalgia and exploring beloved characters.
Alta live action dialogue is like me trying to hit the word count on my essay
Literally could not focus on anything bc I was losing it at “I have a scheme. I have a ruse. I have a hoodwink. I have a stratagem.”
I swear at one point there gonna look at the camera and break the forth wall and explain what's happening to the audience
Also the massive plot hole of sokka protecting his village because uh you know HE IS THE ONLY FUCKING MAN IN THE VILLAGE but in the live action one we just casually see other men in their village I'm going to loose my fucking mind
"That's right we're going back in time to the first thanksgiving to get turkeys off the menu " type stuff
@@alchemistofsteel8099 real
Funny fact about writers forgetting what the characters should and should not know, they also forget about what the audience does not know. In the first episode, there is absolutely nothing indicating that Iroh is Zuko's uncle. When speaking to him, Zuko does not call him uncle once. Iroh never calls him nephew, but calls him prince Zuko. When they capture Aang, Iroh introduces himself as the son of Firelord Azulan, but we dont fucking know who Azulan is. He could be the current Firelord for all we know. So it is more likely that Iroh is Zuko's distant cousin than his uncle, since they are so formal to each other.
And I am sure that they just forgot to divulge that information.
Great point. This show is touted as "faithful to the original" in many ways from interviews with the cast and producers, but I don't think the OG fans were the targeted audience so I'm not sure why that matters. If they were, then the show would be more subtle in it's delivery and exposit where there is a significant change. As an adaptation, it is supposed to create changes to bring more people in, so the writers will need to change things to fit the story they are trying to tell while being inspired by the OG story that the adaptation is based on. So why is it that the show we got feels like the newer audience has to know all of this unsaid background information about the characters and world that would be impossible to know for people who have never watched the OG show? EX (Iroh being a relative of Zuko, Who monk Gyatso is to Aang, Who Hakoda is to Sokka and Katara, Who the other Avatars are, (+ references to the novels) the significanace of the Moon and Ocean spirit, who Momo and Aapa are to Aang, etc) Also at the same time the show feels the characters need to continually exposit basic knowledge about the source material to educate people about this world and character motivations that OG fans would not need to be spoon fed since they have already seen the entire story before?! EX (Zozin's plan to wipe out the air nomads, Aang's motivation to "leave", Aang's affinity with the elements, significance of Kia's death to Katara, Zuko's motivation for capturing the Avatar, etc) I get that easter eggs are a thing and used sparingly it makes sense like the cabbage guy and Zuko's drawings, but this show doesn't feel like it was made for new fans, and it doesn't feels like they were trying to cater to OG fans either otherwise they would use more subtlety to enhance the original story while also changing it in major ways where exposition would be needed so people aren't confused. "Who was this show made for?" is where I'm left scratching my head.
@@CAG_9446 I think in their mind they were catering to both and ended up catering to neither. The constant need for exposition comes from catering to new audiences, but of course no one wants the equivalent of 1 hour of reading an Avatar wiki, they want to see it happen instead of being told.
On the other hand, they tried putting parts of every single episode from the first season and some from other seasons. IMO if you dont have time, you don't need to put everything but just the most important ones. Personally, there was no need for the inventor people inhabiting the northern air temple to be in the show. In the cartoon, they help Aang accept the loss of air nomads and move on, but here this new Aang does not really have issues moving on since he is just duty bound by default, and these inventors aren't even in an air temple so there is no point to them. But they put them in anyways, takin precious screen time. That is definitely to pander the fans, but as a fan, I hated it.
They are just incompetent, nothing more.
That's an excellent point! I also think Ko the face stealer was not thoroughly introduced. So much exposition, BUT THEY DON'T EXPLAIN KO?
This movie is all "see, we did the thing. And we said Those lines"
Everything about this reboot screams edgy middle schooler fan faction. Unlike the 2010 movie, it’s from a place of love, but the writing still feels like an amateur kid wrote it
Exactly. Like, this feels like something a kid taking a creative writing course would’ve written as a fanfiction.
And it is the case.
The head scenarist is a sports journalist...
No writers on the team had any expérience in writing adventure or youth.
Nepotism.
Aanyone else find it just weird that Netflix Zuko isn't missing an eyebrow on the burned side of his face?
Or a burned ear...
He just got a black eye.
Can t risk the audience not finding him dashing or thinking he is the classic scarred villain...
The Ember Island Players Presents.....Netflix's Avatar The Last Airbender
"But the effects were decent." - Sokka, 2008
The show feels exactly like the play episode but without the humor or parody.
I’m glad we can agree my boy Hei Bai got ROBBED
Writers really said 'It's about drive, it's about power'
The irony of the changes to Aang's arc is that his story could have worked if it was left alone. If he ran away in fear, everyone's harsh attitude about the avatar being gone and the burden of the job would feel warranted and Aang's guilt would make sense: he didn't prevent this so people got hurt, only he as the Avatar can stop it, others WILL get hurt as he plays catch up. As it is, it just feels like jaded people dumping on Aang to guilt trip and gaslight him into the job, which makes his guilt feel frustrating. Bumi's lesson would hit so much harder since Aang's guilt would feel real, but it just feels unfair to Aang.
This adaptation was so afraid of letting the characters make mistakes that they either dont or have a point when they do (like with jet and the mechanist) they make the characters flatter than a burnt pancake
Someone needs to tell Albert Kim that just because he showed a race of people being massacred and other people burned alive, it doesn’t mean his show is “the mature Avatar.”
Becasue somehow the real show is more mature, thought provoking, more intelligently written and says a lot more about the lessons of life and humanity than a show that thinks having violence makes it more mature. Because for me, as the live action has nothing more to say than showing violence, it comes across as more juvenile than the supposed “kids show.”
I rewatched the series and let me tell you that just because the kids have wacky adventures or have jokes, it doesn't mean that the darker moments don't hit like a fucking train.
Vinland Saga is a good example of this.
The first season is exactly what someone would expect a "mature" show to be, filled to the brim with violence and gore and blood. It's violent and explicit, and even seems justified because of what happened at the start. Sure, the action scenes are exciting, thrilling even to watch. You don't even think twice about the people being killed so long as the person who did it is justified in doing it.
However, the tone of the second season shifts drastically. While there is still violence, it's very, very toned down. Most will say it's boring, or how much they prefer the first season to the second. The second season isn't meant to overwhelm you with visuals of carnage and war, it's meant to make you think, to ponder just how futile the cycle of revenge is in the end, how war isn't something that should be glorified but it's always something people have been able to justify for so many reasons.
I keep saying this is written by ppl who DON'T WANT TO BE WRITING S1-2, they just want to write s3. So they made s1 into s3 without wanting to do Any of the settup that makes the show what it is ://
I’m still baffled they managed to include season 2 stuff like the owl and the cave of two lovers but excluded aang’s waterbending training with katara and pakku
I agree with everything you said except your take that azula is acceptable. For me, her change was the biggest misstep of the show. She went from a serial killer level calculated monster to a little whiney baby.
Im still not tired of these Airbender essays, this Netflix show gave me an TH-cam Essay junkie plenty to feast
Netflix writers need to watch this video, bookmark it, and then constantly reference it and rewatch it like its their holy bible every time they even think about writing crap.
I think your point about this show's obsession with power is spot-on. The 'heroes' are basically embracing the Fire Nation philosophy of might makes right throughout the story with the only difference being a black and white view of who is good and who is bad. For a 'mature' show, they sure do have a juvenile point of view about the human experience which runs counter to everything that the original stands for.
Exactly! Idk if you've watched jesse gender's video but she also talks a lot about those themes; it's a great video
@@AriellaLilien I haven't but I'm sure it's a good watch. I don't know how the ball was dropped so badly on this that it ends up giving the audience the opposite message of the original series. It's important that there are people calling them out on it.
Un-ironically there’s no balance in the show 😂
I definitely agree with almost every take in this video! The only thing I personally can't get behind is the potential sympathy they're adding to Ozai as a character, and how much they softened Zuko and Azula. Something I really loved about the og is that we see a wide array of characters with different senses of morality, that sit all over the place on the spectrum from good and evil. It's not all black and white, since we have characters like Jet who has an understandable reason behind his hatred but still acts in immoral ways, Zuko who has a whole arc we all already know, Iroh who's mostly good but has a very messed up past of actions, Katara with her struggles between revenge and forgivness and Azula who is obviously a victim of her situation but is still wrong in what she does. To name a few. There isn't a narrow line between good and evil, there's plenty of moral grayness which is WHY it's important to also have genuinely horrendous people. Yes, there is a spectrum in morality which is why some people will fall on every end, like Aang and Ozai. So, adding some weird reasoning behind what he does is.. unnecessary in my opinion.
Yep thoght the same thing watching the video.
I absolutely would clap if they did something with intergenerational trauma and showed us how his dad/grandpa were even worse though…… that’s just SO typical of the fire nation and that kind of dynasty dynamic, it’s the kind of lore I would expect of this kind of adaptation
@@nailinthefashion Yeah, I definitely wouldn’t be surprised if they had some sort of scene where Ozai talks about wanting to make Sozin proud or whatever. I think on paper the concept isnt atrocious, because bad people often get bred to be bad, but I just think it’s stupid to do with Ozai. He’s a monster, who absolutely ruined Azula and almost did the same with Zuko. I feel like it cheapened Zuko’s scar origin and how much we know he mentally struggles by making Ozai teary eyed 😭 Like that man did not care, let’s not pretend he did.
@@yeoluvrr9981 but that’s the point imo, he DOES care, it’s just toxic and twisted by generations of trauma layering on itself, and if we track the fire nation back the contract of their culture is built upon someone being narcissistic and brutal. That’s incredible, Ozai would be conflicted since he’s not his father in the same way Zuko is even less recognizable as traditional.
@@nailinthefashion See that’s where we disagree 🤷🏻♂️ I think your interpretation is fine. but for me the whole problem is the humanization of him. Like I said in my first comment, ATLA is filled with morally grey characters, it never pretends that there’s only good and evil. BUT SOMETIMES people will just be bad, no ifs or buts. Ozai is that guy.
The show made me like striker when he yelled at the guys singing a theme song for him.
The show kept talking despite having even more time than the original since they didn’t adapt all the episodes.
Wrong video
@@genericname2747 No I’m in the right one.
I’m referring too how much they keep expositing by talking in the show and how it made me go just shut up while watching it like striker did in helluva boss which is a fitting reference for this channel.
@@kirbystar7474 ooh I see
I had to reread this comment several times. To help anyone else: Too much talking and describing, similar to Striker’s Support Singing Stalkers in Helluva Boss.
@@13xPetra Thank you.
It bothers me that NO ONE (even Katara) in adaptation ever said to Aang “It’s a good thing you’re alive today”. Bro always has to feel guilty for not dying along with other monks 👀 Kyoshi went as far as to yell at him for not being at the temple and then possessed him to make him do what she wanted him to, instead offering guidance.
That guilt is now a small inconvience cuz now Aang has to meditate like 5-10 mins and he can talk to Gyatso whenever he wants to LOL. Also now Aang is gonna go to spirit world as well so they can be together with his best friend and mentor forever. Yeah we dont need to see that death is permenant and u cant do anything. In the OG, Aang has to confront all that guilt forever cuz he run away. But here, he needs to meditate 5-10 mins and all is well for him. WHY change it like that?
Another kyoshi taking control over Aang is stupid. Cuz now he can say, hey Ozai I am in the fire temple and Roku take control over his body and defeat Ozai and now Roku clean up his mess as well, also now we have avatar life hack LOl.
Honestly kyoshi was given waaaay too much importance honestly it took away from Roku
Your stew analogy is so on point
32:48 “beating a dead horse that’s deader than Gyatso” that was a low blow💀💀💀
This adaptation seems more like an adaptation of the Movie than the Cartoon. Like I swear I remember that the Movie did the same exact thing as the Netflix adaptation several times. Gran Gran narrating the opening. Ozai showing his face more than necessary. Exposition for everything. The actors showing little to no emotion. Repeatedly saying the same thing to REALLY hammer in the point.
I feel like this adaptation has more in common with the movie than the og
54:29 Dante Basco actually does voice a character literally called spinkick lmao. Obviously I know he's not in this version but I still think its funny.
The “children’s” show: maturely handles dark and adult themes with nuance and subtlety
The remake for “adults”: dumbs down and over-explains everything with horrendous exposition, feels the need to hold the audience’s hands, avoids levity out of fear of appearing immature yet shies away from complex emotions
So glad that you talked about the usage of "power" in the new show and how it completely butchers the ideas and themes from the OG. It really feels like they are edging Aang to accept the idiology of the fire nation. This version of Aang and team avatar do almost nothing to instill hope and a thought that a new, better world is possible.
I didn’t enjoy the funeral scene. The inclusion of that and Leaves from the Vine takes away the emotional weight from the Tales of Ba Sing Se. It was that juxtaposition of the joyful stories from Iroh to the sudden tragic revelation of Irohs son that really made that episode as great as it was
I mean sure but in a shortened version like this we aren’t gonna get tales of ba sing se. That episode is not gonna happen. We didn’t even get a full secret tunnel episode which was critical to our understanding of earthbending and aang and kataras relationship. So knowing that that “filler” episode would be cut they fill it in with this. And honestly I don’t hate it. At least we got some acknowledgment of it
One thing I noticed cropping up several times was that they’d have a scene unique to the Netflix version that was clearly meant to be a replacement for a specific moment/scene from the cartoon, only to then ALSO do the exact scene/moment from the cartoon with the exact same dialogue as the cartoon??
Like, in episode 6, after Aang and Zuko escape the fortress, they have a conversation in an abandoned hut that ends with Aang saying something that sets Zuko off and he attacks, only for Aang to knock him out. And then, not 5 minutes later, they do that same thing beat for beat AGAIN, only this time it’s Aang’s dialogue from the cartoon about missing Kuzon.
It almost felt like either the writers or the higher-ups weren’t confident enough in their altered versions of these scenes, and threw in their replicas of the cartoon scenes just to be extra sure the audience Got It(tm).
Omg that part annoyed me so much 😅
giving depth to ozai.
it's so absurdly hilarious it's like having Hitler choke up watching the trains get loaded.
I mean he's still a person, just because someone's evil doesn't mean they don't care about anything
I NATLA, Aang could resolve all this with talking to Ozai LOL. In the Og, they made fun of like glue his hands and show him his baby pictures to him and he can be redeemed. But here it could actually work LOL.
@@xxyzxxyz690 Ozai was legit pure evil in the original show, he didn't even care about his own son.
@@plagueboi2861 I know, but at this point they might as well go for it and give him some more depth. It worked in the original because we barely saw him but with how much they're showing him in the live action I think it works better if they humanise him a little. Makes for a more compelling character and they already changed all the other characters anyway.
@@xxyzxxyz690yeah but the whole point of the character is that he abuses his kids and wants to burn the world down. Sometimes it’s okay for your world conquering supervillain to just be a bad person with purely selfish goals.
the Zuko in the live action one is carrying theshow
You know what's weird: this Bumi would have been great for the original Aang.
I mean the episode being about Bumi overcomong his anger while Aang slowly learns that the only person alive is his old friend and that friend might hate him (amplifying his feelings of guilt).
Imagine how emotional that scene between the two of them would have been had Aang finally found out who Bumi is and Bumi finally get over his anger.
I always wonder did Bumi even know Aang's the Avatar, like he's happy to see him to me being like he's glad that Aang's alive
Nah..animated Bumi subverts that expectation quite well and I love him for that😂
@@phuongcindy8012people know he's the avatar because he's an airbender
@phuongcindy8012 Aang is an Airbender and Bumi's a high ranking member of the white lotus, ideally he knew aang was the avatar when he showed up in his kingdom no older than the last time they met.
@@neckbeardcat6777 I mean like when they met when they were young
The Cartoon : The avatar state is more than power. It's a connection to the world, the spirits, your spirit. Wisdom from a thousand minds.
Netflix: I need a gun, like John Wick, but with martial arts.
One addition that I actually did like was Zuko’s crew being the regiment he saved with his interference.:)
Remember when people were dooming when the original creators left? Yep, that fear was valid
Netflix needs to stop remaking childhood anime classics into live action. It'll never work.
It gives us trashy shows to laugh at and eat popcorn too😂
it worked with one piece, but thats bc the actual creator was the one wanting to do the LA show, and was executive producer....when the original creators jumped ship from making this one, that was already a very, very bad sign i think
@@jannecapelle_art opla was lightning in a bottle. Lets see if they can do the same for s2 and beyond.
ATLA isn't an anime, because it was not produced in Japan.
Anime = cartoon. So when we say anime cartoon, a lot of people are saying that anime is 'cartoon cartoon'. like chai tea. 'tea tea'.
The only difference literally is where they're animated and the freedom to show more darker themes in Japanese cartoons. @@inferiorinferno8859
I get why the writters dipped out
“Connection. Building bridges. That’s how he’s gonna be the avatar” gives mad “That’s how we’re gonna win. Not fighting what we hate; saving what we love” vibes. And I CANT
A friend of mine, also a fan of the OG, told me point blank: "I liked it. I don't want to discuss what didn't work, because I know it won't hold up to closer scrutiny." It was hard, but I respected it.
I literally stopped watching when i noticed aang didn't run away from home, he left to think for a minute. This was so important for aangs character building in the anime. He felt he betrayed the world because he ran away. And now literally the entire story's changed. Now it was an accident. He didn't make it back in time. He doesn't feel as responsible for what happened. Iroh also has a totally different feel to him and I don't like it. I'll rewatch it soon, I was just overwhelmed with disappointment, at first. I need to start watching with a cleared mind. I wanted the same feels, but I got watered down netflix avatar feels....
and then they had the gall to change bumi's character be angry at aang for running away when he didn't even ran away in the first place
@@dire213had they kept Aang’s decision the same the Bumi scenes would have been literally perfectly balanced but we aren’t dealing with real artists here lol
@@dire213 Yeah, the stupidity is Even if Aang didnt left, he wouldve dead in a second cuz the guy learned he is the avatar at the SAME FCKN day. WHY? In the OG, there is a lot of time passed. In here the kid goes for a fly with his bison into the storm LOL. Arent those stupid air people told them, if there is storm just sit in some cave or somewhere secure place and after the storm gone fly again LOL. OFC in the OG no matter what he had to go cuz he was FCKN RUNNİNG AWAY omg.
THe thing is FCKN BUMI doesnt kill IROH but blame Aang? My guy fire nation started the war ad Iroh was very famous in that war so why not kill him, u idiot? Iroh, the brother of fire lord, u dont wanna use him for hostages or for negotiations or anything? If bumi was playing with Aang like in the OG, then I could say, yeah Bumi and Iroh in the white lotus so he didnt wanna kill him or anything but he literally blames Aang and wanted to kill him.
Even if Aang was there, what is he gonna do? he learned he was the avatar at the same fckn day. So if he didnt go then he dies and the next avatar born in the water tribe. MAybe u can blame him for that? Just say die so we can have Korra LOL.
Honestly, don t bother.
All the characterisations are awful.
They just stripped most characters of their core progressions.
Aang doesn t feel guilty.
Zuko isn t angry.
Azula isn t sociopath.
Sokka isn t self reflecting.
Katara isn t stubborn.
Iroh isn t that guy who got taught wiseness the hard way
Etc...
What a mess
The live action zuko doesn’t have a burn scar it’s just red food coloring on his face lol
I am calling it now: Toph learns sensing emotions from the moles and thats how she can tell if someone is lying. Obviously beimg empathic is peak earthbending
Biggest problem with the show is that it exists
Why are u hete then ?
Yup
So why the fuck are u here
Modern hollywood can't have characters make mistakes or have flaws because we are in the X era where if you've said something when you were 16 that was bad you have eternally sinned. You never deserve to work or be happy again. So the only growth they can write is for the characters to realize they were great the whole time.
This is when you know we've grown too sensitive as a society when we can't even allow a fictional character grow from his flaws.
The point about the exposition feeling like video game quests from NPCs rings so true. 😭
I also hate that they put so much focus on power. In the original, only the Avatar was more powerful as a bender, and normal people having differing skill levels was reflective of how hard they worked and only a tiny bit of affinity. Katara just being "superpowered" steals so much interesting development
In the original series it took about multiple episodes for Sokka, someone who's been taught to be wary of outsiders, to fully trust Aang. In the Netflix adaptation all it took was Aang saying Sokka's brave for him to go from hand him over to the fire nation to being best friends
Crazy how they took away aang’s fun side, considering the very first thing he suggested in the series was penguin sledding. Why Netflix???!!😭😭
This is way I dont tend to watch 'live action remakes, with a more adult theme'
Zhao failed his admirals test 3 times
(a few episodes later)
Zhao: I have no record of failure
The Sozins Comet direction from Roku in the original series also wasn’t anywhere near as bad because it sets the clock, shows the ultimate goal to watch out for, and thwarting the comet becomes a massive focus of Book 2. It’s not a one time immediate solution situation like everything in Newvatar, it was a single thing that helps set up the rest of the show and everything that happens in it to the finale
To sum it all up, the people behind this remake doesn't trust their audience just as the audience doesn't trust the showrunners.
I’ll give it this: The Costume design is pretty faithful to the original show
It is. It LOOKS like Avatar, but that's it.
This video felt cathartic. There are so many good points made that it feels like pus has been drained from the infected wound that is my love for the franchise. It helps me accept the live-action for its flaws. Now I can go on to sooth my soul by rewatching the cartoon and reading some fanfiction.
This should be used as a study of less is more. I'm also seeing why the original creators left the show some time ago
It drives me mad when their breath isn’t visible when it’s cold …
Crazy when you realise that NewVatar Aang after this whole first season still hasn’t experienced a single classic Katara hug😂
It's interesting to me that I've heard people like it, but the moment they announced Season 2, the first article listed was titled, and I quote...
Don't F*** Up Toph. And yeah... I'm in that camp.
They’ll get her just right enough to be presentable like the rest but I don’t think they’ll change much of what they’re doing, so she will monologue too lol
@@nailinthefashion I guess no blind jokes from her😂😂
She'll %100 be the blind bandit all the time with the vulnerable side of her stripped out. Easy enough to guess.
@@happilyevernever4289 and like maybe 1 acknowledging of it but then the rest of the time spent making her overly badass even though she already takes on multiple men and speaks like a pro wrestler sometimes lmao. Like someone else mentioned prob will be stripped of vulnerability and left with tuffToph
@@Llyrically_llama yeah, my guess would have been "exaggerate her worse tendencies so that she's unbearable."
The fact that the parody self-aware play in the fire nation in that one episode is more watchable than the new series says something
Katara being so devoid of personality in this adaptation that Ang never even shows signs of having a crush on her like in the original.
the thing about azula is we first get to see her as the world sees her. it's only later, when she gets betrayed by her friends and the paranoia mixed with the pressure of ruling gets to her that we see what lies underneath her cool exterior. that's why it's so impactful and why we have an "oh" moment. we realize that this is a messed up child. here, we are shown what lies underneath then and there. it's like modern audiences are not allowed to experience nuance and subtext anymore. we can't wait and have things pay off, we need instant gratification and it sucks so bad. i think netflix avatar is a symptom of a much larger problem with how shows are written and the corporate meddling that goes into it.