@@PaddyMacWorld as poignant as I’m sure you believe the scene to be, it’s technologically infeasible. Elysium would literally have to be monitoring every person on the planet in order to just instantly dispatch all of its medical resources to try to solve all the medical problems on a planet full of billions of people. Is reasonable to believe that Elysium is tracking individual actual citizens who probably have tracking implants, it’s far less realistic to believe that it can scan the entire planet from orbit and know to dispatch medical ships
This movie and a few others will always and continue be a stark reminder to the rich and famous. If this World falls to ruin, you're coming with us. If you try to separate from us, we will drag you down into the mud with us. If we fall, we all fall together!
@@danceyrselfkleen Oh wow! Wow really? I seriously thought it was real life and that there were people really living in big, high tech space stations while the rest of us lived in a landfill. Man, you saved my mental state, I was about to be like "NO! Why us?!" Man, I am seriously glad that it was all in my head, just a movie and that the rich and famous actually do really and truly care about us all. Thank you so much for that!
I think the worst part is that they had the med-bays. They were always there, they didn't have to create more or go out of their way to help. They just needed to send them to Earth, but refused to help. There is nothing more evil in this world than having the ability to help, without it depriving you of anything... And choosing not to help. Choosing instead to watch people suffer from your inaction.
OK, there’s money in your bank account, why aren’t you spending it right now on the homeless people downtown? ??? Because doing so would cost you something the same way deploying this medical equipment would cost Elysium. The filmmakers go out of their way to make it seem like the people on the space station are just cruel for the sake of being cruel and evil, and somehow magically live in Star Trek where they have replicator technology to make everything they ever wanted for nothing …. But that’s simply not the case everything costs them something and they don’t have the resources to be able to provide medical care for the entire earth, nor can I fathom a universe where only Elysium has this technology and no one else on earth has ever been able to copy it. Riddle me this Batman, if Elysium has endless resources, why is John Carlisle wasting his time on earth running a factory?
@@jmatrix0053 it’s depriving them of resources, resources that are probably extraordinarily expensive because of the cost of putting them in orbit in the first place.
For the life of me I can’t remember the name of a book I read years ago. In the future the air became heavily polluted and poor people, especially children, died. The rich had purified air in their homes and nose filters. But over time the disenfranchised adapted to the new environment basically through survival of the fittest. The last lines of the book spoke of the people rising up and tearing the filters from the noses of the rich!!
So why those people on the planet were not be able to make their own Elysium? No brains, no social skills, no discipline and they are going to ruin Elisyum just like they ruined Earth.
interestingly, and not that im promoting socialism.. but there was over 27 trillion of income, this is wages, investments, etc in the USA in 2023. Thats enough money (wealth) for every adult in the usa to make approx 103,000 per year... just interesting.. i know i dont make that much. and I know most people dont make near that much
@ The numbers don’t work that way, you can’t take all of the economy and everything that goes into the economy and then just divide by the number of people in the country. Not that I’m in favor of endless wars, but those $15 million missiles they keep dropping to try to kill five or six people in a trench in Ukraine, don’t grow on trees. Half of what you just cited is collective value…. It took decades, if not centuries to create, and if you spend it … it’s gone. That is people’s savings, their investment, their retirement’s that you were talking about, you are talking about taking everyone’s life savings and distributing it to other people. To put that in perspective, you’re talking about a middle class husband and wife who worked for 40 years to amass a $3 million retirement, you want to take all the money that they have put aside for their retirement and extract it from them, rip it away and give it to somebody in their 20s who hasn’t worked for anything but can’t seem to buy that half $1 million house in the suburbs that they really have their heart set on and so feel entitled to other people‘s money.
@@Matt-yg8ub i used the gross national income divided by the estimate of how many adults are in the US. So yeah you literally can do what I just did. there are about 11.7 million undocumented immigrants in the US. which has ZIP, NADA, NOTHING to do with what I stated. Neither does the "economic value of keeping the lights working" - which im not even sure what that means. Im just going completely by gross income.. Im not valuing anything else. Sigh.. not sure what Missle costs have to do with anything i said either.
I haven’t seen this movie in many years, so I don’t recall all the details, but just watching this clip, I do wonder how much better things would have been if a fraction of that technology had been available to everyone. I have no problem with people being successful, but corporate greed, and a system designed to benefit the top 1% is creating this kind of situation.
It IS available to everyone. It is just so expensive that only the rich can afford it. Everyone CAN own a private jet, or go on vacation to the Maldives every year, or live in a mansion. It's just out of reach for most people. That is how scarcity works. By making everyone a citizen of Elysium, they're going to burn through their resources and then noone will have access anymore.
The technology was developed on earth in the first place, I suspect that part of the reason why everybody doesn’t have it is because it’s fucking expensive and there’s only so much of it to go around. The ending of this movie is basically one round of “hey maybe we can save some people with broken arms but well once it’s spent it’s spent and we can’t replace it.” This society clearly hasn’t overcome resource scarcity or else they wouldn’t have Matt Damon assembling robots manually.
@@Matt-yg8ubdid it look expensive? Little girl sat on the bed for five seconds, got scanned, got treated, job done. Why are you trying so hard to argue AGAINST the main message of the movie? 🤣
@ because the main message of the movie is a fallacy that’s why. Media like this is used as the opiate of the masses a whole bunch of ignorant, stupid foolish low IQ people watch this movie and then think that healthcare is a magic wand that you just wave over people and they’re suddenly better but but but the evil people in charge are hoarding it for themselves. The message of this movie is wrong. Star Trek spends a whole Lotta time or at least 1990s TNG spent a whole lot of time preaching to people about how the future is more enlightened and how they are superior people because they have universal healthcare and nobody has to work anymore . What they don’t tell you is that they have robotic labor, slaves, basically, and they have replicator technology that allows them to magically make just about anything out of nothing …. Similar to how people are led to believe that Elysium just has magical everything and that their healthcare is essentially free and requires no resources to provide. Well, that sort of social BS is in fact the central theme of the movie, if you look deeper, you’ll realize that Their healthcare technology carries the same deleterious psychological effects as overuse of a sarcophagus does in Stargate. Kruger ate a grenade and yes, they can rebuild his face, but in the process they’ve made him a psychopath. Imagine what’s going to happen in a few years now that they have dispatched this medical technology to magically heal everybody ….. they’re going to have a much higher prevalence of crazy psychopathic people who have been rebuilt by this technology, but the programming is off. I know I’m mixing a lot of different science fiction here but take wolverine for instance. The Adamantium bullet scrambled his brain, his body could regenerate the tissue, but couldn’t reconstruct the memories that were stored in that brain. They could essentially fix the hard drive, but they couldn’t recover the data . Overuse of Elysium’s medical technology carries side effects and consequences, it’s not one of the main themes of the movie, but it’s there if you’re paying attention. Now all of that said, you are over overthinking the scene. It’s a commentary on an illegal immigrant breaking into someone’s house and using their magic health pod to instantly heal a terminal illness ( in a child no less) …. While on the clock ducking the border patrol. It’s a ham fisted attempt to try to create a science fiction scenario to make illegal immigrants sneaking over the border into the United States with children seem like action heroes.
@@Matt-yg8ub No its neither expensive nor limited. Thats the idea of the whole story. Its like insulin: can be manufactured easily and distributed cheaply but some want to have that power and charge insane amount for it.
Had fun asking one coworker if Matt Damon's character was the bad guy in this movie, as he was sneaking into another nation to get health care for his kid. This was after they had complained about illegal immigration.
My turn to have fun : if movies are reality now, let's take the movie Birth of a Nation and let me ask you if the KKK are the bad guys for wanting to save their country from black people lol
Wasn't his kid, was the kid of a friend. Also, his actions short term were beneficial, but long term, he probably killed a lot of people, because those medical supplies were intended for 1 space station's worth of people. Not the population of Earth. So while short term a lot of lives were saved, they would've burned through all their medical supplies in days if hot hours. Then what? How do you save the sick when you have no medicine left? How many people died to a lack of medicine after that? I'm not saying the poor shouldn't get care, they should 100%. But one moment's good doesn't justify the hell that would've ensued.
@@arielfetters5662 The computer onboard the station could have re-ordered the robot manufacturing locations to handle the higher demand. Lots of factories on Earth building the robots that the station wants to have, put those to proper use.
@@arielfetters5662 It's established in the movie that they've got a *lot* of excess medicines and such stockpiled for the ultra-elite. The computer system also would be treating *all* people it considers to be citizens to the same standard of healthcare.
I don't know how it works in USA , I'm from Ukraine . And if every 2nd commentary says about their Healthcare system - it means that there is the painfull problem what started to get right solutions , finally .
The code that he stole from the rich guys that wanted to permanently lock everyone on earth out of elysium, had a killswitch in it that when it was downloaded from his (Daemons) head, it would kill him. basically "Fry your brain" level encryption.
Neurological damage. They can revive Krueger’s form, they can fix his face after he eats a grenade but every time they fix Kruger does more damage to his brain. That’s why he’s a psychopathic killer. In the case of Matt Damon‘s character, his brain is being fried because he jacked into the businessman’s head…. The physical damage can probably be repaired…. But they can’t bring back his personality or who he is. Basically, when they shot wolverine in the brain, his body regenerated the brain tissue, but he lost all the memories that were encoded on that tissue
If you pay attention, no they couldn’t, they could repair Krueger‘s face from taking a grenade hit, but every time they do that his personality becomes more unstable and more psychopathic because they can’t repair a neurological damage. They can fix the hardware, but they can’t fix the software so to speak. In Matt Damon’s case his software is being deleted.
Traffic lights apply to all citizens. Your analogy would be more like roads previously only being allowed for .01% of the populace, and then allowing everyone to use them, and then wondering if the capacity of the roads is enough or if it going to look like King's Highway 401 at rush hour. The question to be asked is, "Are the systems which created and run Elysium enough for a post-scarcity society to function" like the one seen in Star Trek TOS and TNG. Possibly not, but you can clearly see that the medical equipment at the very least had massive over-capacity compared to what the Elysium residents needed in their day to day activities.
Dumbest ending. After all 20 super ambulances are depleted in 2 seconds, then no one gets anything. Nothing was accomplished except for more suffering.
@@jcrgtattoo333A hatefull person you are. Your God will never be kind for that kind of person. Jesus your savoir is very disappointed in you. After all didn't he taught us to be kind, take care of the weak and does without home. To take care of people in need.
One of the starkest things about this scene is that the AI instantly sees the priority and sends the medical ships!
@@PaddyMacWorld as poignant as I’m sure you believe the scene to be, it’s technologically infeasible. Elysium would literally have to be monitoring every person on the planet in order to just instantly dispatch all of its medical resources to try to solve all the medical problems on a planet full of billions of people.
Is reasonable to believe that Elysium is tracking individual actual citizens who probably have tracking implants, it’s far less realistic to believe that it can scan the entire planet from orbit and know to dispatch medical ships
I like how the robots just instantly start doing their job like it was a new task without feeling just action.
This movie and a few others will always and continue be a stark reminder to the rich and famous. If this World falls to ruin, you're coming with us. If you try to separate from us, we will drag you down into the mud with us. If we fall, we all fall together!
LOL. If they're living on a space station in the future, we aren't going to be able to get up there.
An Oligarch currently OWNS the US government, its already a reality.
@@PumpkinHoard They got up there we can get up there. If we can't then we'll just have to prevent them from leaving Earth now won't we.
Or it’s just a movie for entertainment
@@danceyrselfkleen Oh wow! Wow really? I seriously thought it was real life and that there were people really living in big, high tech space stations while the rest of us lived in a landfill. Man, you saved my mental state, I was about to be like "NO! Why us?!" Man, I am seriously glad that it was all in my head, just a movie and that the rich and famous actually do really and truly care about us all. Thank you so much for that!
this movie hits different after the United Health Care business...
And this is the problem whit western oligarch. People who profit from tge labour's of millions of other and think they are entitled to do so
@@rodniegsm1575 you say western and yet in the 2nd and 3rd world there is no Health Care XD
I think you just mean Oligarchs in general, it isnt something specific to the West
You voted for that sweet, sweet capitalism. Then again, if voting mattered, plebs wouldn't be allowed to vote.
deny. defend. depose.
I think the worst part is that they had the med-bays. They were always there, they didn't have to create more or go out of their way to help. They just needed to send them to Earth, but refused to help. There is nothing more evil in this world than having the ability to help, without it depriving you of anything...
And choosing not to help. Choosing instead to watch people suffer from your inaction.
OK, there’s money in your bank account, why aren’t you spending it right now on the homeless people downtown?
??? Because doing so would cost you something the same way deploying this medical equipment would cost Elysium.
The filmmakers go out of their way to make it seem like the people on the space station are just cruel for the sake of being cruel and evil, and somehow magically live in Star Trek where they have replicator technology to make everything they ever wanted for nothing …. But that’s simply not the case everything costs them something and they don’t have the resources to be able to provide medical care for the entire earth, nor can I fathom a universe where only Elysium has this technology and no one else on earth has ever been able to copy it.
Riddle me this Batman, if Elysium has endless resources, why is John Carlisle wasting his time on earth running a factory?
@@Matt-yg8ub”Without it depriving you of anything” please read the whole comment first
@@Matt-yg8ub
Bold of you to assume people HAVE anything in their accounts
Brother you have it right. I just wish I said it sooner.
@@jmatrix0053 it’s depriving them of resources, resources that are probably extraordinarily expensive because of the cost of putting them in orbit in the first place.
For the life of me I can’t remember the name of a book I read years ago. In the future the air became heavily polluted and poor people, especially children, died. The rich had purified air in their homes and nose filters. But over time the disenfranchised adapted to the new environment basically through survival of the fittest. The last lines of the book spoke of the people rising up and tearing the filters from the noses of the rich!!
We have plenty of resources for everyone on the planet.
The only problem is greed.
Yeah, but an orbital habitat ring certainly doesn’t have the resources to care for 10 billion people.
So why those people on the planet were not be able to make their own Elysium? No brains, no social skills, no discipline and they are going to ruin Elisyum just like they ruined Earth.
interestingly, and not that im promoting socialism.. but there was over 27 trillion of income, this is wages, investments, etc in the USA in 2023. Thats enough money (wealth) for every adult in the usa to make approx 103,000 per year... just interesting.. i know i dont make that much. and I know most people dont make near that much
@ The numbers don’t work that way, you can’t take all of the economy and everything that goes into the economy and then just divide by the number of people in the country.
Not that I’m in favor of endless wars, but those $15 million missiles they keep dropping to try to kill five or six people in a trench in Ukraine, don’t grow on trees.
Half of what you just cited is collective value…. It took decades, if not centuries to create, and if you spend it … it’s gone.
That is people’s savings, their investment, their retirement’s that you were talking about, you are talking about taking everyone’s life savings and distributing it to other people.
To put that in perspective, you’re talking about a middle class husband and wife who worked for 40 years to amass a $3 million retirement, you want to take all the money that they have put aside for their retirement and extract it from them, rip it away and give it to somebody in their 20s who hasn’t worked for anything but can’t seem to buy that half $1 million house in the suburbs that they really have their heart set on and so feel entitled to other people‘s money.
@@Matt-yg8ub i used the gross national income divided by the estimate of how many adults are in the US. So yeah you literally can do what I just did.
there are about 11.7 million undocumented immigrants in the US. which has ZIP, NADA, NOTHING to do with what I stated.
Neither does the "economic value of keeping the lights working" - which im not even sure what that means. Im just going completely by gross income.. Im not valuing anything else.
Sigh.. not sure what Missle costs have to do with anything i said either.
Thank you for your sacrifice, Luigi.
I haven’t seen this movie in many years, so I don’t recall all the details, but just watching this clip, I do wonder how much better things would have been if a fraction of that technology had been available to everyone. I have no problem with people being successful, but corporate greed, and a system designed to benefit the top 1% is creating this kind of situation.
It IS available to everyone. It is just so expensive that only the rich can afford it.
Everyone CAN own a private jet, or go on vacation to the Maldives every year, or live in a mansion. It's just out of reach for most people. That is how scarcity works.
By making everyone a citizen of Elysium, they're going to burn through their resources and then noone will have access anymore.
The technology was developed on earth in the first place, I suspect that part of the reason why everybody doesn’t have it is because it’s fucking expensive and there’s only so much of it to go around. The ending of this movie is basically one round of “hey maybe we can save some people with broken arms but well once it’s spent it’s spent and we can’t replace it.”
This society clearly hasn’t overcome resource scarcity or else they wouldn’t have Matt Damon assembling robots manually.
@@Matt-yg8ubdid it look expensive? Little girl sat on the bed for five seconds, got scanned, got treated, job done.
Why are you trying so hard to argue AGAINST the main message of the movie? 🤣
@ because the main message of the movie is a fallacy that’s why. Media like this is used as the opiate of the masses a whole bunch of ignorant, stupid foolish low IQ people watch this movie and then think that healthcare is a magic wand that you just wave over people and they’re suddenly better but but but the evil people in charge are hoarding it for themselves.
The message of this movie is wrong.
Star Trek spends a whole Lotta time or at least 1990s TNG spent a whole lot of time preaching to people about how the future is more enlightened and how they are superior people because they have universal healthcare and nobody has to work anymore .
What they don’t tell you is that they have robotic labor, slaves, basically, and they have replicator technology that allows them to magically make just about anything out of nothing …. Similar to how people are led to believe that Elysium just has magical everything and that their healthcare is essentially free and requires no resources to provide.
Well, that sort of social BS is in fact the central theme of the movie, if you look deeper, you’ll realize that
Their healthcare technology carries the same deleterious psychological effects as overuse of a sarcophagus does in Stargate.
Kruger ate a grenade and yes, they can rebuild his face, but in the process they’ve made him a psychopath.
Imagine what’s going to happen in a few years now that they have dispatched this medical technology to magically heal everybody ….. they’re going to have a much higher prevalence of crazy psychopathic people who have been rebuilt by this technology, but the programming is off.
I know I’m mixing a lot of different science fiction here but take wolverine for instance.
The Adamantium bullet scrambled his brain, his body could regenerate the tissue, but couldn’t reconstruct the memories that were stored in that brain.
They could essentially fix the hard drive, but they couldn’t recover the data .
Overuse of Elysium’s medical technology carries side effects and consequences, it’s not one of the main themes of the movie, but it’s there if you’re paying attention.
Now all of that said, you are over overthinking the scene.
It’s a commentary on an illegal immigrant breaking into someone’s house and using their magic health pod to instantly heal a terminal illness ( in a child no less) …. While on the clock ducking the border patrol.
It’s a ham fisted attempt to try to create a science fiction scenario to make illegal immigrants sneaking over the border into the United States with children seem like action heroes.
@@Matt-yg8ub No its neither expensive nor limited. Thats the idea of the whole story. Its like insulin: can be manufactured easily and distributed cheaply but some want to have that power and charge insane amount for it.
american healthcare system in a nutshell
Even though we all know Max is dying from basically the start of the movie. It still hits hard
Had fun asking one coworker if Matt Damon's character was the bad guy in this movie, as he was sneaking into another nation to get health care for his kid. This was after they had complained about illegal immigration.
My turn to have fun : if movies are reality now, let's take the movie Birth of a Nation and let me ask you if the KKK are the bad guys for wanting to save their country from black people lol
Wasn't his kid, was the kid of a friend. Also, his actions short term were beneficial, but long term, he probably killed a lot of people, because those medical supplies were intended for 1 space station's worth of people. Not the population of Earth. So while short term a lot of lives were saved, they would've burned through all their medical supplies in days if hot hours. Then what? How do you save the sick when you have no medicine left? How many people died to a lack of medicine after that? I'm not saying the poor shouldn't get care, they should 100%. But one moment's good doesn't justify the hell that would've ensued.
@@arielfetters5662 The computer onboard the station could have re-ordered the robot manufacturing locations to handle the higher demand. Lots of factories on Earth building the robots that the station wants to have, put those to proper use.
@@arielfetters5662
It's established in the movie that they've got a *lot* of excess medicines and such stockpiled for the ultra-elite. The computer system also would be treating *all* people it considers to be citizens to the same standard of healthcare.
This whole situation was forced onto him and everyone else by , sigh I hate to say it: corporate greed.
Wusste gar nicht das Pablo Escobar so ein IT Spezialist ist
I don't know how it works in USA , I'm from Ukraine . And if every 2nd commentary says about their Healthcare system - it means that there is the painfull problem what started to get right solutions , finally .
All Hail The Matt Damon...who hates teachers for some reason!!
This is basically the American healthcare system in the future.
oh brother
That child actor playing Damon looks alot like him grown up
yeah because it's his son
I dont remember a lot from the movies, but the bad was revive after a bloody death but damon cant, why?
The code that he stole from the rich guys that wanted to permanently lock everyone on earth out of elysium, had a killswitch in it that when it was downloaded from his (Daemons) head, it would kill him. basically "Fry your brain" level encryption.
Neurological damage. They can revive Krueger’s form, they can fix his face after he eats a grenade but every time they fix Kruger does more damage to his brain. That’s why he’s a psychopathic killer.
In the case of Matt Damon‘s character, his brain is being fried because he jacked into the businessman’s head…. The physical damage can probably be repaired…. But they can’t bring back his personality or who he is.
Basically, when they shot wolverine in the brain, his body regenerated the brain tissue, but he lost all the memories that were encoded on that tissue
@Matt-yg8ub wow a great response in TH-cam comments, i wasn't expecting that :)
Thanks men
The hypocrisy of Hollywood preaching through this movie...
wym?
Hollywood is Elysium
@@MrZytist Yes!
Because Hollywood controls our health care system 🙄
They could have saved Matt Damon
They said they couldn’t right before his sacrifice
If you pay attention, no they couldn’t, they could repair Krueger‘s face from taking a grenade hit, but every time they do that his personality becomes more unstable and more psychopathic because they can’t repair a neurological damage. They can fix the hardware, but they can’t fix the software so to speak. In Matt Damon’s case his software is being deleted.
love the movie but this ending was such a cop out...
if you take down all the traffic lights, you will not have traffic jams. That is the very logic behind this movie.
But accidents will sky rocket.
Or that if you keep all the roads for yourself, eventually someone will break the barriers.
You're dumb if that's what you took from this movie.
Traffic lights apply to all citizens. Your analogy would be more like roads previously only being allowed for .01% of the populace, and then allowing everyone to use them, and then wondering if the capacity of the roads is enough or if it going to look like King's Highway 401 at rush hour.
The question to be asked is, "Are the systems which created and run Elysium enough for a post-scarcity society to function" like the one seen in Star Trek TOS and TNG. Possibly not, but you can clearly see that the medical equipment at the very least had massive over-capacity compared to what the Elysium residents needed in their day to day activities.
@@Sakhmeth Well said. I wonder if the automated manufacturing capacity of Elysium encompasses the beds and ships too.
Dumbest ending. After all 20 super ambulances are depleted in 2 seconds, then no one gets anything. Nothing was accomplished except for more suffering.
whose idea was borders. trump-like goons
Untill they are at your door at 3am, and you know they will get in, and you voted for it.
You’re an idiot.
@@jcrgtattoo333 fear mongering at its finest
@@jcrgtattoo333A hatefull person you are. Your God will never be kind for that kind of person. Jesus your savoir is very disappointed in you. After all didn't he taught us to be kind, take care of the weak and does without home. To take care of people in need.
@@jcrgtattoo333
Sure. You fight that made up scenario.