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- Here it is folks: The Grudge Match.
It's William Shatner vs Rush Limbaugh.
This is a segment from William Shanter's talk show, Raw Nerve.
A rare overtly political moment for Mr.Shatner and a rare overtly reasonable moment for Mr. Limbaugh....well, for a bit anyway.
Bill's expression at 1:31 is priceless.
Well, at least he made Rush laugh.
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Ten years ago two people with different ideological views could have a civilized discussion, disagree, yet comport themselves like grownups and remain congenial. Sadly, those days are gone.
Ain't that the truth. It is sad and hopefully it's a sad and short lived period in our history, but I fear it's not.
@@waynedavis936 The last time America was so DIVIDED, there was a WAR. Democrats LOST that one. Yet, they expect to win the next.
@@markypolo55 I hope we don't go there again. There is no North or South, it's all tribal and political and hard to know who the enemy really is. I guess it would be like our last couple of war, but they were overseas.
@@waynedavis936 The "divisions" will become more OBVIOUS, much like the BLM and Antifa people. I believe the battles ( very small at first) will be between the "right" and the "left" ( democrats). Naturally, Law enforcement and military personnel will have to choose sides. Democrats have proven to be Pro-Crime, anti-Police and anti-military so I doubt Democrats will have much of their support!
My only wish: I want to be alive when it happens! I just want to contribute to the LIBERATION of America from the Democrats (AKA.: BLM, Antifa, Liberals, the Left).
@@markypolo55 I'd hate to see America go through fighting in the streets, even though it seems it has been started already, by the left. I don't see how we would mend after a left, right conflict. It has become unsafe to live in many parts of the country and is spreading. We need a new leader who isn't so dumb as to deny reality and lie about everything.
At least these 2 disagreed and acted like adults. No name calling, no rudeness. Really need more like this. Argue the facts, not the labels.
This is the kind of healthy confrontation that the citizens of the United States would benefit from. Let it please be based on fact.
Even shared a laugh
Rush: it's about Uha uga uga booga bungalos! Don't you get it? Shatner: Don't change the subject! :D
All the name-calling was done by Rush, ascribing negative, evil intention to people who don’t agree on policy issues. He spent his radio career building straw man arguments and tearing them down.
@@faheyplayer But then 15 minutes later Limbaugh is going to start calling some minority a name
A very Happy 90th Birthday William Shatner. Notre-Dame-de-Grâce, Montreal, Quebec. March 22, 1931 Born in Canada, But a U.S. treasure. Your legacy is worldwide. Thanks Tiberius..
Wow! That is so great and cool. To be 90 years old and so active and still performing. He literally looks, is more active, and performs better than most men in their mid-sixties. Like him or not, there's no denying that he is amazing! Congrats Bill!
Awesome, Rush, and I'm proud to say, a fellow Canook, er ah, Canuck!!!!!!!!
@@danielfronc4304 First of all note that this video is 10 years old so he's 80 here. But there's no denying he ages very slowly. If he'd just keep his weight down, he could live to be 150.
Rest In Peace Rush Dittos. And William Shatner. Well you’re Captain Kirk to me. Dittos
James Riberious Kirk.
When this aired, we lived in a completely different United States :
WE Desperately Need To Get Back To This Point. !!!!!
@HateAllGovernments "The Kenyan was in power."
Well, THERES a statement that shows a person has zero credibility.
Rush was one of the main contributors to degrading the discourse in this country.
Q.e.d.
I mean, Rush is the Grandfather of all the right wing lunatic stuff in present day media. Get back to it ? we never left it.
@HateAllGovernments Ummm. Thank Rush for it lol.
William Shatner.. the hero we didn't actually know we needed.
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@@KH4444444444N How very true, my sir - as James Tiberius Kirk himself would say, "Give me a tall ship, and a star to steer her by."
30 years ago I used to listen to Rush for about 4 years, off and on wasn't religious about it thought he was a bag of hot air! Then it sure wasn't available in my market and only once again in the last 5 years his show is back on in my market and I started listening again, all of a sudden I realized the man made sense! I finally took the cork out of my ears and was able to listen to the man and hear what he had to say, Talent on-loan from God! Yes, thank you Rush for enlightening me, can't really believe he's gone thankfully they still are his words of wisdom and will continue to do so, we need you now more than ever! Mega Dittos!
did your sympathetic turn toward rush also coincide with your suffering a massive head injury?
@@copsuicide Those who didn’t understand Rush were indicative of some “massive head injury”
One less evil voice in the world. 🙂
its hard to believe that Shatner is 20 years older than Rush
What do you expect? Shatner doesn't do oxycontin on a regular basis
@@AceLM92 You do realize how played pout that is right? Rush kicked the habit and talked about.
@ And Rush also denied smoking health risks before being diagnosed with cancer related to smoking. Brilliant guy.
Whenever I see comments commenting on someone looking young... they always have hair.
Let's see your kindergarten diploma, ace
My opinion of Shatner just went up radically. I had heard he was a conservative, but he seems to be a conservative who thinks on his own.
Real conservatives do think on their own. Socialism herds the sheep.
@@genez429 ...and ditto heads are ??? Please check your absurd statements against reality.
@@markgrice8214 "Ditto head" doesn't mean that Rush's fans don't think on their own.
Long ago, Rush's callers used to open their calls by saying that they loved the show. This was boring radio so Rush asked them to just say "ditto" and get to their point.
I guess you are the one who believes what he is told or would like to believe.
@@markgrice8214 You miss the point. Well?... if truth and reality exits? Those who think, and do so on their own will end up with similar conclusions that are "timeless." Of course, they have their leaders to defend what they know to be true. Rush is only one. In contrast.. Liberals are always being herded into the latest fantasy way of life. They have no core values. They can become warped with a little conditioning to accept the agenda of the latest experiment in government or way of life. But? Of course... we all know that abortion is a good and healthy thing to place on one's trophy shelf. And, equally good for the needed military cohesiveness is to have a trans gender showering with you in boot camp. Of course!
@@FactCheckerGuy Can murder ever become something seen as a good thing? There are no absolutes?
I find it interesting that Shatner looks very sincere in trying to understand the other point of view while Rush just looks more and more angry.
I think that is because Shatner just assumes he knows Rush's POV....
U know what they say about ASS U ME?
@@fredschnerbert1238 Interesting assumption you just made there.
True.
Rush was full of it. He got really mad when Bill pointed out he was just for entertainment. Rush was truly a cancer on our country and then it ended up getting him. Poetic justice.
@@shanematthews7713 Cancer took out RINO John McCain, and Steve Jobs....also Poetic Justice?
Shatner: cool
Limbaugh: hot
Both: Awesome
I had never seen or even heard of this discussion between Shatner and Limbaugh. This is a great discussion. And huge respect for William Shatner
as he is much more informed and articulate than I had thought.
No, it's not a great discussion. A great discussion requires, at minimum, that one person listens while the other speaks. Shatner had no listener, so he wasn't able to speak in complete sentences, much less complete thoughts.
I respect Shatner, he is wrong that everyone wants the same things and that there aren't people wanting to shape others lives to their liking.
They tried to cover complicated issues in a limited time....
I believe Bill has a sincere concern for the way we humans are going....😢.
He is acutely aware of the huge problems overpopulation,
greed, corruption, wars, power-seeking ,,etc., have made...
Great respect for him.😊.
He also has the perspective of AGE, at 90,
with the necessary articulation to communicate ideas.
😊🇺🇲💕🇬🇧😊
@@2000ReRyRo Watch it again, this time critically. They go at each other, Shatner disagrees, Limbaugh counters, sometimes restates. It was a lively conversation. Never liked Shatner much, but this gives me some new found respect for him. Bury your preconceptions and listen with an open mind.
@@2000ReRyRo he was drunk is what it was angel
Bill Shatner made some excellent points here. It’s a shame Rush spent his career inflaming anger and distrust as opposed to the logical, dispassionate discourse we really needed. Look where we are today. Every political issue is black or white, right or wrong. Whoever yells loudest wins. You can’t function like that as a society.
Love the note at the end about passion... If your passion is only YELLING at people and telling them they're wrong, you're not going to win them to your cause. You have to kind , compassionate and convincing.
I’d like to see more if this. Here’s an example of two gentlemen having a discussion. Both are passionate. Both are strong in their convictions, yet both are listening to the other. Both of these men are known for having large egos, but I see and hear two men who are not competing. They are simply engaging in discourse for the purpose of enlightening their viewers. Bravo!
God knows you'll never see this sort of thing in American "news media"
Rush is no gentleman.
Except the only gentleman is Shatner. The other one was a lying sycophantic Trump blow buddy.
Piece of trash who probably, like his master loser Trump killed Americans with his lies about covid being a hoax.
Hey rush wonder if they are serving oxy's in hell😆😆
@@jimh472 not as long as there's Fox, Breitbart, OAN, News Max and their viewers who refuse to acknowledge right from wrong ,up from down, in from out ...but only left from right 🙄👍✌🏼
Russ was a piece of crap, all to make money from twits,
Somehow this vid got on my YT frontpage and I dearly appreciate that. Rush in all his glory - bringing tears. New respect for Shatner. God Bless them both.
I miss Rush. Can't believe he's dead sometimes. I figured that one day he'd retire and travel the world. People like him never retire. Kinda like Paul Harvey.
Rush was gluttonous pig. Anyone that sees an ounce of a redeeming quality in Trump is guaranteed to have an ulterior motive and rotten agenda.
@@stuartbear922 No, Paul Harvey had class.
I don't see how this is Shatner VS Limbaugh, they are just having a conversation.
And believe it or not, they agree on a lot more than this video portrays.
I agree, its more like two Sociopaths talking
This is exactly what I think it should look like. People talking things out. there's too much mudslinging these days. This is the stuff I like seeing.
Watch it again. It's friendly but they have very opposing views.
Exactly ... something you cannot do these days due to cancel culture.
Shatner: Why can't this argument be presented in a muted logical fashion. Limbaugh: Have you ever listened to my show?
IOW: All about the Benjamins.
Because people, including Shatner, who is known for his own many emotional outbursts, are not absent of emotion like Spock or Data. This is real life.
@@fishheadlemonsnack824 Yes. 3:23 Limbaugh says "passion is the magnet". To me, he's saying he uses the passion because it draws in the crowd, the Benjamins.
@@coffeyvideoproductions7767 Cuz he's a total phony...He became PT Barnum, and conned a large part of America for the worst. His con job is a cancer for US.
@@coffeyvideoproductions7767
you have to be entertaining, first and foremost.
The best teachers were more entertainers than scholars.
And his show was entertainment mixes with excellent political analysis.
That’s was an excellent display of how our government and country should operate. We should promote debate and dialogue like this. This kind of conversation is constructive and helps our country move forward. Well done!
It's too bad Rush didn't utilize open dialogue on his show then, huh? It was all one-side slop.
You must be shitting me.
True. But I'm just afraid the way the medium has changed things we'll never see this again. Now its what can be screamed in a tweet or bemoaned in a 6 second Tiktok clip.
No it wasn't slop. It was "his" views from his ideology. As Rush used to accurately say, he did not give equal time on his show because he was equal time in the face of 90%+ of the airwaves being pure liberal ideology. On that point he was right.@@PalaniRides
@@johnscurich6446 : The problem with his approach was that the 90% bias was of his own creation, and there was no one to check the highly one-sided slop he would dispense - which was very divisive, not remotely constructive, often laced in venom, and unpatriotic. Yeah, sure, create a big monster (the big liberal media) and paint yourself as the big defender and savior of the common man against that monster - what a scam. Lol! If he felt so strong about his positions, why not run for office, or answer questions when outside the confine of his studio? He always told journalists when caught outside his EIB studio that he would not field questions. Lol, gee what a surprise. Only gullible morons who couldn't critically think themselves out of a cul-de-sac would see him as an authority on anything. Yeah, half the country is the bane of all that is wrong with this country. What a joke. I hope he suffered greatly in his waning days for all the division he sowed.
Before watching this video today I had immense respect and admiration for William Shatner. It was all multiplied by a factor of ten here. Why? Because he understands that healthcare is not the same as a house on the beach!
Yea well if you agree with shatter then you agree to pay my medical bills. Put up that money now it’s 60,000 dollars for my operation. Pay it for me or shut the fuck up.
@@fogbankbob That's a pretty incredible jump. And if you don't agree with me, then shut up and buy me a house on the beach! Seriously, though, Shatner is essentially arguing FOR you, not against you. If you're having trouble paying 60K in medical bills, you are exactly MAKING his point.
The truth is Rush is right. People with money ARE GOING to have more of everything. If you think that will change with government healthcare you are WRONG
@@rickyedwards7504 Yes, people with money will be able to purchase more and better options. The point of governmentally sponsored healthcare, though, is to recognize the value of certain things in such a way as to make it more available to more people.
@Roger Felton As to whether healthcare is a right, it's a question of what the Constitution means when it states that people have a right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". And, if for the sake of argument, healthcare is deemed a right then the question is how to make it affordable and accessible in such a way as to not undermine the worth of its system.
If all the problems can be addressed in a workable way, wouldn't you prefer that it's a right, like voting, etc.?
Wow, new respect for Shatner. He dismantled Limbaugh who could not defend his positions at all.
@@Disrupterds Nope.
Shatner did nothing of the sort. Limbaugh said things that went right over Shatner's head. Also he didn't let Rush finish some of his sentences.
If that was even close to true, you could post a quote from the video.
Just post it.
Misleading headline. These are two people having an excellent conversation.
It was quite entertaining. And I love both of these celebrities. I think the problem is William Shatner is from Canada and is sold on the idea of socialized medicine. I’m not against socialized medicine. I just don’t believe it’s possible in the United States. Do United States is exceptional in that it is simply not like other countries.
@@segurosincero4057 We have more wealthy people in the US, which means they can pay more taxes. I know you'll disagree, but the wealthy pay a lower percentage of taxes than the average american. People complain about paying those taxes, but then they complain about having to pay high insurance premiums. If you are paying higher taxes, especially the wealthy, then there is no need to pay health insurance premiums. It's a wash. More taxes provide better public transport. People complain about their car payment and the amount they pay for car insurance. In an urban setting for instance there would be no need for car payments and auto insurance because you could take public transport. It's that way in European cities. You don't need a car or a car payment or auto insurance because the money that you'd spend on those things would be paid in higher taxes and you get public transport that runs constantly and gets you places on time. It's all a wash. Everyone in London rides the bus, all income levels. There is no shame in it. In the US, you're considered a low life in you take a public bus. The wealthy won't touch it. Americans are greedy and don't care about others in our society. As long as we have what we want, it doesn't matter about anyone else. You heard Rush say it here. If you can't afford healthcare then you don't deserve it. And yes we can afford it. We spend countless taxpayer dollars on the most ridiculous things like invading countries in which we don't belong. The american people are brainwashed from children to believe that having healthcare for everyone is "communism". It's not. It's just not.
No doubt!...
@@segurosincero4057 thank GOD....I definitely wouldn't leave New Zealand for America. No way
Mr. Shatner brought up the obvious point that if you have money in the U.S. you have access to adequate healthcare and if you don't have money you don't have such access. Rush compared this situation to a rich person being able to live in a mansion at the beach while a poor person has to live in a bungalow. This is a specious argument because living in a bungalow will not kill you but lack of adequate health care will. Health care is different from almost every other consumer product or service because if you lack it you may die.
It seems that William Shatner could have been a good politician. but he didn't need to be, he already had a career.
Yes. He is a fabulous singer.
@Dotard Trump Yeah politician's are fabulous liar's. and Rush Scumbag was a pretty good liar to. but I guess he won't be that anymore.
@@Orca1975 No he's a starfleet captain!
A step down from Starfleet Admiral
Shatner became homeless not long after Star Trek was cancelled.
Politicians always tell us to think with our hearts while they think with their heads and plot against us.
This is called open dialogue,. It seems to be missing in today's politics , in this country
Its no longer fashionable to participate in dialogues you can't win... At lest that appears to me the idea...
@@sheltonsummons903 As January, 6 proved.
@@timlevis3630 anyone that needs a January 6th to prove anything will stay blind.
@@sheltonsummons903 Agreed.
@@timlevis3630 Exactly, we cant even talk to each other anymore without.....
Love Rush Limbaugh, the country was much better with him .
This is why keeping your cool always makes you come off as the better person
A truly excellent open dialogue and debate with diverse ideas and challenges to said ideas and ideals without name calling, yelling, or any of that. I liked that.
Captain Kirk and Star Trek is based on compassion. Our Government today is based on enriching its own and those who oppose it are to be silenced
Shatner is one intelligent guy. Rush should have tried to keep the discussion calmer. He looks a little half cocked at times. Interesting how Shatner points out that the fundamental aim of Rush is shared by almost everyone (sane). We all want freedom and independence. The problem is some people blame others for their problems and we shouldn't do that. Plus people feel so much better when they fix things themselves instead of the government handing them solutions on a platter, free of charge. Even if it fixes their problem they don't feel fulfilled by that solution. Its hollow.
You are correct when you say Shatner is a clever man.
Sadly your thinking is not of the same high standards.
@@michaelslator64 And sadly you can't seem to formulate your opinion here to explain yourself. So whose thinking is not of a high standard? If you disagree with something just state why. Its simple. Then we all learn more.
@@swilhelm3180 Surely it is your inability to comprehend that is the issue here?
Following your accusation of my alleged failings can you take your own advice and point out what you disagree with?
The time for debating is long over.
It's just an avoidance strategy.
@@michaelslator64 Not sure what realm you're on but if you look above you'll see quite plainly that I explained my position. You didn't explain why you disagreed. I made several points. You made no points and didn't even respond to the points I made. If you want to discuss something you have to stay on point I believe.
@@swilhelm3180 OK, I'll keep it simple.
While lauding Shatner, he of the "sane" view, you them throw most of your weight behind the " insane" contributor and ignore the fact that you are your brothers keeper.
Looking at someone who needs help and being able to supply that help but denying it because your equation works out the receiver would not appreciate enough.
Wilhelm it's an excuse to do nothing and sanitise your conscience.
So really you and Rush are bedfellows and that is why I think your logic is ridiculous and eventually dangerous and is what middle class people do, chatter.
Rush was popular because he was a balm to the pitiless indifferent cohorts of whom I expect you to have a fully paid up membership card.
You can always tell an individual who, instead of listening, is waiting for you to be quiet because their one-sided opinion is bursting at the seams to come out.
For example,Texas doesn’t need regulations, their utility companies know what they are doing, even if it snows.
@Jessica LT: Watched it on the news today... Texas Utility Companies are sending customers who's electric bills are usually $150 a month, bills for up to $13,000 for one month of service. Why? Because they can. They're not federally regulated.
Yes, Jessica, you are so right: we MUST have elected officials who know as much or less than you do to regulate every aspect of our lives...
PirateChucker. Your answer for your "Why" below is wrong. The people who got the multiple thousand dollar charges were the people who CHOSE to have "real time" power charges vs the fixed charges available on another plan/tariff. Everyone who chose the traditional fixed power pricing got or will get their regular bill. Only the people who chose real time power pricing got slammed.
The Department of Energy forced the members to ERCOT to throttle electric output during the blizzard to abide by Biden’s new environmental policies.
@@Jack63141
Exactly. The media portray that as a common event when it's only a tiny percentage of customers who stupidly signed up for a variable rate utility plan that has no limit whatsoever to what the company can charge.
Healthcare: You missed an opportunity there. You should have said “How we deal with death is at least as important as how we deal with life.”
I see what you're trying to do here with the Kobayashi Maru. 😅
Just a decade late... STFU
health care is the same thing as having a bungalow on the beach? I wish they would have pursued that a bit more. This was a civil exchange, because it did not go anywhere. Rush is seething through exchange. I would have liked to have seen this develop, but it gets derailed by Rush's seething and deflecting to principles not facts. But it is just a slice of an interview.
@@cmkilcullen8176 erm right, ok. Last time I attempt to post a Kirk quote.
How old are you? Lol
Liberals believe in big government and being told how to live. Conservatives believe in less government and individual choices on how to live. The power should stay with the people not government
Doesn’t the government represent the people? That was what the revolution was about. No taxation without representation. Perhaps you want anarchy instead of democracy.
Nonsense. Nobody wants to be told how to live. Liberals want a level playing field - not a country of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich. Everyone pays taxes and it's perfectly reasonable to expect that the government spends that money to help its citizens!
Nobody wants to told what to do moron. People just want to be represented fairly. That's what our taxes are for. They want a fair, honest government. For the people, by the people. Republican corruption has tainted our country so bad that our government could truly fail. And it seems that the only people being TOLD what to do are the conservative puppets of the republican terrorist party.
Not entirely. With Trump as the notable exception, all the republican presidents of my life have been warmongers that massively expanded the US military at great financial cost. If a big expensive military doesn't count as "big government" I don't think anything does.
You're regurgitating what you've been led to believe, which simply can not be backed up with the facts. Your assertion is simplistic. It could have been uttered by an 8 year-old after hearing his bully brain-washed non-critical-thinking father say it enough times. Maybe you're that kid's father.
It's William Shatner interviewing Denny Crane!
If this conversation could still happen today...damn
Love both of these guys. Enjoyed hearing them have an impassioned, but friendly discussion. RIP, Rush. Keep on keeping on, Shat.
It’d be nice if that were indeed the case. But white supremacists and right wing extremists have taken over. I consider myself a conservative, but it’s like you have a nice gathering of like minded friends and a street gang full of the filthiest most foul dregs of humanity come barging in trying to take over.
Makes a real conservative want to take a step back. Limbaugh encourages the thuggery. Glad he’s worm shit now.
@@truckfump9434 Stupid fuck. Why bother to post at all?
@@truckfump9434 My sentiments exactly!
I like how they both did imitations of each other right near the end, and then both laughed about it while debating each other.
wish Shatner would start doing these again, I like the way he and Joe Rogan do the long form interviews.
Unfortunately, Bill is 90 now. Probably can't do a show like this anymore.
@@Chupacvabra Bill is still pretty sharp based on an interview I just saw with him.
It doesn’t matter how rich you’re, I love Rush Limbaugh and Toby Keith, money doesn’t matter when you’re sick , it’s so sad we lost them both.
In the US, we turned healthcare into an industry that employs millions. Much like the military-industrial complex, it is vast and intertwined into our society. As long as we treat healthcare as an industry, we will forever be burdened with the cost of keeping the industry running.
I remember when hospitals were run by churches, not for profit.
@@kalburgy2114 and at that time hospitals were places where ppl either were born, or died. Ppl rarely got better at a hospital.
@David Tuttle. Yes, hospitals were a place to go to die, but that was because of the level of medical knowledge. Through government, insurance, and other sources we pushed a load of money into medical research that put medical prowess beyond our means. Now the Government, insurance companies, etc. are trying to cope with technology we can't afford. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
@@kalburgy2114 The profit motive sets the prices. Desire to live luxuriously and the desire for evermore wealth is the double edged sword of market economies. It simultaneously creates and destroys. But what you wrote is spot on. How will it play out? Dystopia or utopia have been our choices all along.
@Spirit of 76. Both the Government and the insurance companies have skewed the market economy. At this time it looks like the Government would like to skew it even further.
I am glad to see that the discourse remains civil and reasonable.
Yeah, Limbaugh a few times tried to make it more heated in his blustery way, but Shatner has a way of calming his guests and keeping discourse civil.
AND STILL LIMBAUGH HATES POOR PEOPLE.
@@jimherman859 So you're just going to ignore the millions of dollars he raised in his fundraisers and charities to help those in need?
He wanted all boats lifted by ensuring that people have freedom.
@@jimherman859 He just doesn't want them to get healthcare. If you can't afford it too bad so sad for you. Become wealth and you can get all the healthcare you want.
@@rickj1983 How can you make a statement like that? Limbaugh doesn't want them to get healthcare. That's called goals.
You want a good car? Work for it... you want a big house? Work for it. But don't go around complaining that you don't have something instead of trying to obtain it. That was his whole message... do you disagree with it?
You wouldn't say it but William Shatner is 20 years older than Slush Limbwah.They look the same age.
Comparing healthcare to having a beach house or a bungalow is outrageous. He is thus saying that a rich person deserves better healthcare than a person who is not rich. That is a revolting idea. And Americans are so confused about this issue. They pay more as a nation for less effective and humane healthcare and that is because of their insurance industry making a bucket load of money, the middle men, and usually not even anyone clinical who is actually providing care. The conservative ideology regarding individual freedom and responsibility would work if there were not innate and systemic barriers to so many, and immense privilege and ease to others. Americans, and especially conservative Americans, have these issues very, very wrong.
The difference is healthcare is not a right, it's a service.
You should WORK for your healthcare like everything else, not expect the government to just GIVE it to you because you exist.
@@jennifera5205 No, healthcare should be a right and not a service. You don't see it clearly. I work in a hospital. You wait for treatment in most situations, then it will cost much, much more later on. Better to give everyone healthcare and reduce the costs over time.
@@jamiemcgill67 That's a stupid argument. Then, you should work for and separately pay for military defense, primary schooling, roads, etc. You get benefits from those too.
@@PoeLemic there’s no such thing as free health care. The government has no money of its own which means that it cannot “give” anyone health care without first taking away something from someone else.
There is a big difference between a need and a right. Health care is a basic need that everyone is free to pursue. This means that the government cannot infringe on our right to pursue health care but no one owes us health care. Health care is a good just like food, clothing, and shelter.
I’ve always liked Shatner He seems like a good guy.
agreed
he likes the money
@@heresmytake2782....but you don’t. Buddy, that was just a stupid comment. None of us knew you were stupid until you talked. We ALL
like the money!
Further than the truth. He's notoriously cruel to fans and the people on the Star Trek set hated him
@@chrisfragomeni6744 I’d have to see proof from more than one person. That’s an easy statement to believe, that you make. People love the salacious and negative. I don’t go there.
Why does healthcare cost more for someone paying cash than for an insurance company who have an endless amount of paperwork ? Shouldn't it be cheaper ?
The cost of healthcare is regulated by the feds if the doctor accepts Medicare/Medicaid and is under contract by the Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services. In other words, if a doctor accepts Medicare/Medicaid, then the doctor must abide by the regulated cost posted by the feds. If the doctor doesn't, then the feds can charge that doctor with healthcare fraud and abuse. You'll need to go to a doctor who doesn't accept Medicare/Medicaid who isn't under CMS contract to get cheaper rates by paying in cash.
So you are telling me that it is a rigged system by the government to drive up the cost of health care . That's wierd , I thought they were helping all of us . SMH .
Shat is..uhmm seasoned enough to be Rush's DAD! Amazingly good genes.
Definitely.
Working with my brother as a carpenter, he used to listen to Rush 3 hours a day. One day while calking with Liquid Nails I thought this is the perfect time to glue his radio dial to NPR.
Too Funny
Rush was a vile human ,no loss to humanity
Thats how they get brainwashed! Working poor that listen to this shit and think the 'trickle down' reagan theory that rush and all cons support will 'trickle down' to them! HOWS THAT WORKING OUT FER YA? Reagan destroyed the middle class! Anti union etc. I'm retired at 55 after 30 years in a union. Sorry you poor working drones listened to gop radio! So again? Hows that gop anti union, low paying job you have working out fer ya???? Pension? NO? Well, you gop working low paid drones are getting a living wage right? Good health insurance? NO? Keep listening to cretins like rush and dont feel sorry for you having no pension, no retirement etc...THIS IS WHAT YA'ALL WANTED! EAT GRASS!
Really? To get a commie view of things?
@@JosephDredd31 oh gaybrill I'm cryin
William Shatner is 20 years older than Rush Limbaugh. They look like they could have gone to high school together. Lol
@ 1:17 The look on Shatner's face when he realizes that Rush is going to steal the thunder, just as expected.. The look of, brace yourselves, here comes the hot air.. lol
Rush didn't pause. He didn't cringe at Shatner's celebrity. He shot back answers and opinions without fail.
Rush didn't steal Shatner's thunder at all. Anyone can bluster and fume and not stick to the subject. Rush was a repulsive hypocrite. He won't be missed.
@@Mandrake591 He'll be missed more then you ever will. Suck on that.
@@jimh472 Spoken like your fat druggie "hero."
@@Mandrake591 David, my sir, I believe that I can learn much more from the entire Star Trek canon than I could ever hope to learn from right-wing loudmouths.
As far as I'm concerned, Rush Hudson Limbaugh the Third was a real life version of Gorgon, the Friendly Angel.
This conversation may as well have occurred from bunk beds as from this chair arrangement.
Shatner's a pretty smart guy. Maye he should run for President. He reminds me of Captain Kirk the way he's talking on Limbaugh's show.
Shatner as President with Jonathan Frakes as VP. Entire Cabinet: Jeffrey Combs.
Yes, that would be pretty funny. President Shatner.
Shatner is Canadian.
That's right. I had almost forgotten. But he never had a Canadian accent. I guess being in the USA almost his entire life he developed an American accent.
@@joelspringman7748 right age range though
Damm, those two should have had their own show, like the old Hannity and Colmes. Left vrs right with civility.
I miss Hannity and Colmes. I'm a Trump supporter and as right as they come, but sometimes Colmes had excellent points.
Good job, William. When you asked how do you know these things, that was a great question. Rush's answer "because that's what I do" was loose, unconvincing argument. Also when Rush mentioned a house on the beach and basically said that there is no difference between that, and health care, he negated the fact the a house on the beach is a luxury, and heathcare is a necessity. Water is also a necessity and is regulated, not free market. Rush completely negated the idea that necessities should be regulated (which is what Shatner was pointing to.) Shatner had Rush on the run, and all Rush could do is make broad general statements, with nothing to back them up. Smoke and mirrors on Rush's part.
You can't argue with the captain of the Enterprise.
He was running around saving the galaxy when your grandfather was in diapers.
Yes, my friend - the Captain taught us all, "Leave any bigotry behind in your quarters. There is no room for it on the Bridge."
"Conservatives believe in the principles of the founding of the country...for example; Women can't vote, non landholders can't vote, slavery good, native americans (non humans), manifest Destiny, etc..." Got it.
Rush Limbaugh was good at balling up complex issues into simplistic one-sided rants that lulled vulnerable listeners into his web.....black & white thinking thats the first red flag. It's always easier to let someone else do your thinking instead of researching, critically thinking, analyzing and coming up with your own conclusions.
He Walmartized politica/issues thought for the AM radio crowd.
My dream was for someone with contrary opinions to debate him but he would never call anyone on his show with knowledge to debate. He knew better.
Those weren’t the “principles”. Those were the cultural norms of the time. And they changed over time because the constitution allowed for it. If the founders were truly evil, racist, sexist bigots, don’t you think they would have written in sexist and racist laws that couldn’t be changed? You have no idea what you’re talking about.
@@delvictor7570 They were not norms they were conscious economic decisions. Have you ever read the personal writings of Thomas Jefferson? He admits the evils of slavery. So did Benjamin Franklin.
They allowed for the constitution to be amended b/c they knew it was a living document. None, starting with Washington wold challenge slavery b/c it would have crumbled the economy. no slavery no economic growth. simple read up on it.
Rush Limbaugh was a highly convincing personality and people were easily sucked into his rhetoric. He convinced people (usually white males) that they were going to lose something usually thier liberty. He spoke in abstractions and speculated what things would be like; socilaism" All this bs. Fear mongering.
@@Atitlan1222 Your definitely right about Jefferson’s writings. I have no idea what point you are making about rush and his fan base. And you made it a racist thing probly because you have no argument.
This was a good interview, but Rush seemed too "passionate" about his conservative beliefs. Rush equated having health care with having a bungalow or house on the beach somewhere and not that health care should be a right, but like a house on the beach which is a privilege of the wealthy. Rush Limbaugh seems to believe that if you give human beings quality health care just like they do in England, Canada, Australia, and Europe that won't bankrupt them, then something bad will happen. What that bad thing that will happen is, he doesn't know. Rush believes if you give people basic shelter, food, education, and health care, then people won't work or put energy into bettering themselves and their lives. He believes people will just spend their entire lives being dependent on the Government and not try to improve their lives and their families. I have a higher regard for people than Rush Limbaugh does. Not everything in this life is just based on talent and skill, there's a big element of luck and what century and circumstances you were born in to. Rush is extremely wealthy, so it sounds like he believes that people who are either talented or just plain lucky enough to make money or be born into it deserve the basic needs of food, shelter and health care to be met. And he also seems to detest anyone that's dependent on the Government or family because of poor health, disability, or lack of talent or ambition or just being born in to a poor environment. We treat animals better than our fellow citizens in the US.
Socialized medicine stinks.
You shouldn’t be dependent on the government., unless you’re a veteran who’s disabled or you’ve been in an accident or contracted a debilitating disease.
@@jamiemcgill67 Yes Jamie, So no senior citizens should ever receive Social Security and no one should be receiving disability for mental illness ? People that are unemployed or unable to feed themselves or their children should not receive supplemental food benefits? Better that they starve? There's hundreds of thousands of US veterans living on the streets right now and have been for decades because whatever money they receive from the Government is not even close to providing them food and shelter. Every one is dependent on the Government whether you believe it or not or want it or not.
@@jamiemcgill67 You say everyone should work for their healthcare. That's why they have a National Health Service in England for many years and the British people are very proud of it and haven't expressed a desire to do away with it for many years. Most of Europe, Australia, Canada, Scandanavian countries have Socialized medicine and they like it. Maybe you're small minded and wrong.
No, he equated having *good* healthcare with having a bungalow or house on the beach somewhere. @ 1:45 Shatner says 'if you don't have money, it's going to be more difficult' - to which Rush said if you don't have money you can't have a bungalow...etc.
Then Rush made the most important point that Shatner didn't want to divert to - the notion that healthcare is a morally superior requirement than housing. It was an important lesson in demonstrating how we think. Was lost. The point was this...sure you need healthcare, only housing is an even more important basic need for you than even healthcare. Food. Food is an even *more* important basic need for humans. You will die from no food only after a few days. You'll perish from exposure without housing. So...the point is that there is a long list of things we could excuse due to moral imperative, like Healthcare.
How can you argue for healthcare for all, paid by the government, but not food for all paid by the government? But not housing for all, paid by the government? Using moral appeals to basic needs by taking the labor from others is the argument, and it fails the moral test. No one's labor belongs to you - it belongs to them.
The moral is simple. Consensual labor. You have no right to take the labor from a person. It belongs to them. Their body, their choice. Just like sex, you must get consent to get someone's labor. That's the moral. And no amount of suffering or disadvantage earns you the right to take it from them.
Instead, conservatives argue for sympathy, and to lend a hand up. Labor by free choice. They argue against *laws* and argue for charitable actions. You may disagree with the moral, but that's what it is. It's not about not caring about the suffering - it's about not allowing suffering to make excuses to steal the labor from people - that's called slavery. And we ended that.
Great question, Bill, “I know because I was told, how do you know?”
The health care system in the US is breaking the country. And it's due to government involvement. This has been known for a long time. For example, go back and look at Bill Clinton's 2nd state of the union address where he said so. It's getting worse because government involvement is getting bigger.
@@puppetsock I don't agree, and I've been in it 25 yrs up close. I can't think of anyone else Ive ever worked with that would agree, also. And it's interesting to note that the most effecient care system in the U.S. IS the Federal Goverments VA Healthcare. About 90 cents on the dollar goes to care. Whereas "for profit" is more like 66 per dollar (33 % in paperwork).
..and this is likely why so many other 1st World nations have state -run Healthcare...it's cheaper to do that. More effecient. Singapore,Germany,The scandnavian countries, etc.
@@georgebarry8640 Did you ever ask why there is so much paperwork? Did you ever look at the VA? Did you go back and check the source I gave? Did you check where medical advances predominantly come from?
Canadian health care is not more efficient. There is a medical procedure I want. But because I am over 60 I am not permitted. Not even at my own expense. So I continue with my problem. Rationing is how costs are kept low.
If your government-forced health care is so wonderful, you will of course be advocating for it to be voluntary, so people can opt in or out as they like. But that can't be allowed because government-forced health care is not primarily about providing health care. It's about giving power to government to run a substantial part of the economy.
@@georgebarry8640 thats because they don't pay for their own defense, we do
Sir Shat is awesome and yes, it was a good back and forth !
I'm a Rush fan but I'm disappointed to see him get all heated up here when Shatner's just trying to have a conversation.
Shatner is looking for ratings, and a bigger audience, that's why he brought Rush on, every liberal thinks they can take Rush down.
Rush wasn't mad, he was probably disappointed if the lame argument
All heated up ????
Problem with Rush's "debate" style was that he didn't listen to the counterargument so much as wait for cues to launch pre-programmed talking points. He was unwilling to concede the Iraq War was flawed, and that's comical. His brand was in "sounding" smart and informed, and sticking it to liberals. His fans loved that, and he fed them what they loved. But I think he was merely a quick thinker, not a good one. That's enough for radio though.
@@scotey lol, hilarious
@@RJ1999x Yes, he was.
Makes me love Shatner all the more!
C.O., my friend, I would just love to meet the beloved native son of Montreal someday before either of us leaves this Earth - for he truly came across in this interview as someone who was reasoning with the unreasonable.
I suspect if Limbaugh were serving on the Enterprise, and Kirk gave the order, "Leave any bigotry in your quarters; there's no room for it on the bridge," Rush would have disobeyed that order - and would have been up before Section 31 so fast, his fat head would have been spinning!
He got him to laugh at himself in the end. Brilliant!
I was going to mention that myself, I love it!!!!!!!
Spent his whole life dividing the Country
@@johnjones4049 LOL, wrong.
Omg I fricken LOVE these two together
Me two, er ah, TOO!!!!!!!
No point to disagree with Rush. He'll only make fun of you and put you down unless you are on the same page with him. Simple.
Rush Limbo vs The Shat Nobody pulls a fast one on Kirk.
A debate between opposing thoughts??? Done with passion and without drama??? Just two people sharing their opinions without rage and name calling???? I didn't know this was possible.
It is possible for those who grew up without learning to get offended easily. For those who didn't get participation trophies and weren't taught a warped idea of what is fair and what isn't.
@@kurtb8474 Using the word "Offended" offends me. That's how soft the the USA and Canada have become.
Yes. Yet its funny how a few people on here can start an argument about not having an argument. Lol
I could listen to these two debate for hours. They needed their own Podcast.
I keep picturing Shatner on a plane looking out the window and seeing a guy in a fuzzy suit trying to break the wires on the plane's wing. hahahaha. Just saw him in a Twilight Zone episode.
I'm 57 and those monster-on-the-wing scenes still give me the shivers, lol. One of the Zone's absolute best episodes. Bill's other two movies, Devil's Rain, and the one about the spiders, were also great nightmare material.
"I'll see us crash first."
Rush did so much oxy he nearly went deaf...
That's a lie.
Going to call it as I see it. William Shatner backing Rush Limbaugh into a (non-defensible) corner. Win goes to Bill.
I think Rush missed what Shatner was saying. "Passionate" tones - i.e., ANGRY tones and language - will only appeal to your established base. It won't generally help bring people over to your way of thinking. Generally, it only makes them more stubbornly entrench themselves in their position. I was also a bit disappointed that he didn't push Rush more on whether there is a moral issue to ensure that everyone has "equal" access to healthcare. Rush seemed to think not, but he perhaps deserved another chance to articulate his position there.
Limbaugh was a right-wing agitator and hatemonger, nothing more.
It would be a good thing, if you were personally willing to use your own paycheck to get healthcare for your neighbor.
But when someone really wants the government to confiscate your paycheck and give it to your neighbor, in exchange for your neighbor's vote, that's evil.
You gotta love the Shat. This is a good interview and he lets Rush speak.
@@cherylharvey4682 I dunno...a lot of what Rush was saying was pretty straightforward, and he has had these conversations many times before so he was kinda on autopilot.
This is great because Shatner is playing devil's advocate- forcing Limbaugh to suggest solutions to a problem rather than proposing notions.
Absolutely!
Two men with class having a discussion. Bill doesn't have an agenda and Rush is being Rush.
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Maybe Mr. Shatner believes him now...
I'm a Brit. I've heard a lot about Rush Limbaugh but it's the first time I have seen him speaking.
Was he always so angry?
The founders believed in regulation and never had laisse faire market economics. The federal government followed the enumerated powers they had in the constitution (nationalism) and the states had what is referred to as separation of powers to for the most part to govern as they saw fit (federalism). The federal government regulated the value of silver and gold and they levied tariffs because they had no income tax. America became the most powerful economic nation with no minimum wage. The market for the most part was based on voluntary exchange.
You think the absence of minimum wage is the key thing and not the presence of slavery?
Your point is correct but today's gov't is not about economic power but factionalism and socialism and has forgotten that economic security and prosperity is the "regulartory" aim of federalism. The government has watched manufacturing and enterprise being sold to foreign countries for individual wealth with nary a whisper. Conservatives speak out against this while progressives cover their narratives by falling back on pointing out civil strife and racial unrest and immigration which have nothing to do with the survival and national prosperity. Our founders used regulatory tariffs to protect our country from foreign exploitation while, today, the gov't seeks to exploit the population for it's own preservation of power. Disgusting.
@@newage44 F
He takes calls every day, so he debates much, much more than most political pundits.
he never took calls from anyone who had a point that he differed with. In the late 80s when I was travelling four states Rush was the only thing you could listen to from town to town. He wasn't so bad in those days. After 9/11 he was a pain in the ass to listen to.
@@deboisblanc I listened to Rush since 1988. Of course - he took calls from liberals. You are a liar.
This is obviously old.
How do we know this?
Two people who disagree are actually having an intelligent conversation. No name calling or cheap insults. No threats or foaming at the mouth. This is actually watchable. Aaaaahhh....the good old days.
wow i realy would like to hear a continuation of this !! between shatner and limbaugh lol
Never bring a Gin and Tonic to an OxyContin fight, Bill.
Shatner actually played a type of Limbaugh radio personality on Columbo in the episode "Butterfly in Shades of Gray"
Rush has always been the single most misrepresented American man by the media who simply disagree with him they have always tried to make him out to be rude and overbearing he was always the total opposite he gave callers who disagreed with him the most airtime and was nothing short of kind we can disagree without hate
When the Left cannot win the argument on its merits, they seek to diminish the person with whom they disagree
Obviously you know a different Rush Limbaugh than the one in this video. Is this a neighbor of yours or acquaintance? I bet he gets a lot of funny comments when he tells others his name.
@@earlcampbell8927 When our arguments do have merit but you ignore it and plow ahead like you know better, you are to blame and deserve derision.
@@Spiritof_76
Try me.
With your arguments.
Be blunt, direct, respectful.
I’ll do the same.
Keep it short.
I’m busy but always willing to engage _with an honest person._
@@Spiritof_76
Cat got yer tongue 👅
😎
I like the way the argue and they make each other laugh
HE IS NOW WITH Herman Cain, Reagan burning in hell for all eternity.
“You don’t have money, you live in a bungalow”… man I wish!
FWIW, I would much rather trust Shatner alone with a certain basket-weave hairstyle wearing blonde yeoman than trust Rush with said yeoman.
I miss Rush and thank goodness we still have Shatner.
A healthy discussion between two adults who make valid points and both end up being right in the end. Well, I agree, that Shatner is right, some amount of control is necessary. Rush was also right that passion attracts. What I realize from both of them is that balance between the two is key. There's a time and a place to make fun of your opposition, but there's also a time and a place to teach and promote controlling your temper to those who listen to you.
Funny how Rush got brought down to size when there was something other than a straw man across from him.
I think it might just be in the perception of the viewer.
@@aliceshaw8265 Rush Limbaugh patient and kind....solid understanding of politics. Wow.
You need to see the interview in its entirety.
@@nazikiller0164 Based upon your username, I can only suspect that you are fighting Antifa fascists and those Dems who are calling for the suppression of political dissent and the formation of a secret police to spy on American citizens who don't go along with the Left's agenda. Would I be correct?
@@JoseyWales44s Anifa definition- "anti-fascist". From your comment am I correct in assuming that you are PRO fascist?
God! And I thought I couldn’t love Shatner any more than I already do!
The beloved native son of Montreal is truly deserving of beloved status, my friend.
Where'd the interview go? Something happens where it skips randomly? I love seeing Shatner interact with two of my favorite people! Limbaugh and going to Michael Jackson's 30th Anniversary Concert in N.Y. City in 2001 albeit genuinely as an audience member though he walked a red carpet for the event!
Shatner and Limbaugh are two originals. Much respect to both men. Sad Rush is gone now, not looking forward to when Shatner goes next. This was a great bit and a model for how to have an adult conversation.
My God...I think Captain James T. Kirk of the Starship Enterprise is a damn LIBERAL.
The Verbally Abusive Clown Sad But true. I wonder who kirk would have voted for?
Somehow I don't really think so. I think instincts would tell me that Shatner is more along the lines of a libertarian himself. Because he's a smart man. I think given his career and success, it might be easier to describe Bill Shatner as being fiscally conservative, but socially liberal. A true example of a libertarian.
Yeah, he has his own mind. He's not a blind follower.
@@Leondrius EXACTLY, Shatner hasn't drank from the Well of Greed, Hate, Racism and Bigotry that spineless little rush has.
@@JimfromBuffalo He would have voted for Edith Keeler and let us get nuked by the Nazis
Passionate disagreement without trying to destroy each other. Something that is lacking today.
I think "versus" is the wrong word. This was as good a discussion as you can have in three minutes.
I like THIS William Shatner....
What do you see if you look in the toilet of the USS Enterprise?
@@lawsonransom8318 🤔, I don't know.. what do you see??
@@Buzz_Kill71 "Captains Log"
@@lawsonransom8318 i tried to guess several times🤣🤣
In this exchange at least, Shatner expresses a certain naivete about the nature of those who hold power over others. I used to think Rush was an idiot, and I said this to my brother who was a regular listener of his at the time. Many years later, I discovered that I had been the idiot and that Rush was the pragmatist I always wanted to be.
I never knew Shatner had/has a talk show. He's good.
I didn't know that either
Rush Limbaugh had a Talk show maybe William Shatner was the guest.
my two all time favorite actors: James Garner and William Shatner
I thought you were gonna say Rush Limbaugh. I was gonna agree. Rush was definitely an actor of sorts and a liar.
@@chuckfriebe843 Yep a right-wing Jon Stewart.
@@chuckfriebe843 Whatever he was, it doesn't hold a candle to the endless lies and total bullshit coming out of all of the major media outlets (i.e. FOX, MSNBC, CBS, CNN, etc)
@@marystevens8444 I don't disagree with you at all on that topic, even as a liberal. It's disgusting.
*My 2 - ALL FAVS: Ann MiLLer & Lynda Carter!!!*
He was 80+ here, extremely impressive
Rush thinks brute force and overbearing passion is the way.... when we need to find middle ground. Luckily his day has come and gone....
Wrong!!!!!!!!&