Here are the timestamps. Please check out our sponsors to support this podcast. 0:00 - Introduction: 0:28 - Jiu-jitsu competition 17:51 - AI and open source movement 30:22 - Next AI model release 42:37 - Future of AI at Meta 1:03:15 - Bots 1:18:42 - Censorship 1:33:23 - Meta's new social network 1:40:10 - Elon Musk 1:44:15 - Layoffs and firing 1:51:45 - Hiring 1:57:37 - Meta Quest 3 2:04:34 - Apple Vision Pro 2:10:50 - AI existential risk 2:17:13 - Power 2:20:44 - AGI timeline 2:28:07 - Murph challenge 2:33:22 - Embodied AGI 2:36:29 - Faith Please support our sponsors: - Numerai: numer.ai/lex - Shopify: shopify.com/lex to get $1 per month trial - BetterHelp: betterhelp.com/lex to get 10% off
@@mrfake675 the tech is there. you can have it use you... or you can use it. I personally leverage the fuck out of it, rather than consume it like a so called drug
I believe from what he said on Joe Rogan he has probably realized it's important to not get sucked into tech, which is manifested in his interest in bjj and other physical activities and that has lead to a change in persona which stems from a core change rather than something superficial.
Mark managed to say nothing for 3 hours! He only intimated they were working on "things to help businesses." Of course they are. Their stream of advertising revenue is about to be turned upside down by AGI. These two should get married since they enjoy stroking each other. We know they enjoy wrestling with each other. (Not that there's anything wrong with that - I would enjoy wrestling with Lex as well.) As far as his more developed interpersonal skills go, there were too many um, uh, and like, spoken for me to take him seriously as a CEO of one of the largest technology companies on the planet. He still sounds like a college kid who can't articulate what his company is doing.
Ha. I think he always has had a dynamic personality and is super smart and moral. I think our image of Zuck has been when the Congress were trying to skewer and BBQ him. I think he was very very guarded. Smartly, talking to congress is like talking to a cop that stops you. The least you say, the better, the more kind of dumb you play it, the better.
He's so full of shit. Not a single thing he says is an authentic reply, it's all calculated to be as little offensive to as large a group of people as possible. He talks like a bad lawyer trying to keep his client Facebook out of jail. Wouldn't be surprised if even the religious thing is a lie he discovered after understanding the majority of the world (=many of his users) are still religious.
Lex is a genius. Some people think he is giving Mark a smooth ride here, but he does not let up and pushes in a very skillful way. Still not sure about Mark on all aspects, but I'm glad he seemed to show some honesty around the pressure he feels from all corners, including the powers that be, regarding free speech - it is indeed a complex one. Truth always rises to the top in the end anyway. God bless
@@84jamesp that's perfectly fine. Just cuz someone is rich or celebrity doesn't mean they gotta give us some absurd tip. I waited on Warren Buffett like 2 times a month cuz we live in same town within a mile of eachother. Normal dude but he's worth hundreds of billions and even he gives normal tips
As I listen to this conversation I can't but think that there is nothing more depressing than a world where you talk to someone else though an AI that is literally replacing you, or the counterpart, or both. That's literally the opposite of human interaction and the fact that these two and probably many others really believe it's a good thing scares me.
Lex, I don't know if you know it , but you're having a massively positive impact , not only to people like me with hardly any money , but also the likes of Mark . It's interesting to see how the future pans out because of you and your GOOD ethos on life.
I think it makes even more sense from his perspective given he is quite young for a CEO and the people he directly interviews for top level management are probably people with many more years of experience than him.
@@overshot8331 you made me think how we value „years” He’s run one of the biggest and most successful organizations in the world. He’s one of the most experienced people to run it, even if there are people with 40 years of CEO experience, how relevant to running Meta can that be?
Zuckerberg is so confident, and he seems to have highly nuanced perspectives on things. I wish Lex had asked him "What might really shake you and make you doubt whether what you're doing is good?"
Although I agree, that is a question that needs to be asked I also think that in some way Lex doesnt have to ask... its all there for us to see. Lex is brilliant imo... its Lex´s non confrontatonal ways that even makes Zuckerberg talk. I share Zuckerbergs condition but we have nothing at all in common except for being socially "wierd". I dont know if this is becouse of cultural difference or the fact that Zuckerberg have trained his social skills a long time but from my perspective if he feels fear about anything he doesnt feel enough of it. That power attention and responsibility would terrify me and being confronted about it would stress me to the point of PTSD. I hope that helped in some way.
That ain't gonna happen. Fridman is engaging in the fine art of access journalism. Do we honestly think if Lex gave Mark the spanking he richly deserves he'd ever come back? Of course he wouldn't.
@@MeneerHerculePoirot I'm not suggesting Fridman should give Zuckerberg a "spanking". I'm wishing out loud that Fridman had probed to find out what are Zuckerberg's doubts, because they'd be interesting to hear about and, as listeners, it would flesh out our understanding of this man who is such a big force in technology right now.
It's kinda funny that Mark mentioned people have less friends then ever before. While also stating his goal is to bring people together. Not mentioning that social media did this to us 🤔
I don't think social media did this to anyone. If people aren't willing to take responsibility for what they allow in their lives, then there will always be someone/something to exploit that. It is just a symptom of people not managing their technology, and so it manages them.
I personally find having friends too time consuming on top of work girlfriend and life. As a British male , all having friends has ever meant for my life is going out drinking and I have a long criminal record from those days so I gave it up. Life is better on my own . I still see people at work and have gf
@@SirQuantization That was no accident. They are far from being dumb, you don't just share a torrent magnet link with the whole trained model in a public GitHub repo. I really can't believe they could be that stupid.
I love when he says “I train in my garage with a few friends”, and in my head I’m picturing a regular banged up garage with a couple mats on the floor 🤔🤔
You've got to hand it to Lex: He manages to talk to some of the most influential persons of our time. That is an achievement. Thanks to Lex for making it possible to listen to those people.
It’s amazing to see Zuckerberg’s smile function activating in an almost normal human capacity. Same with whatever behavioural function he has running on this current OS!
Ah, yes, it's always a rare treat to witness the Zuckerberg smile.exe working at optimal levels! Rumor has it that his behavioral function on this OS is a highly advanced algorithm called 'Social Normalizer 3000,' specially designed to mimic human interaction. Just make sure not to activate the 'Data Collection Mode' or we'll all be stuck in an endless loop of targeted ads!
Lex didnt ask the one question I wanted. Zuck is always so sure about himself and everything he does. I wanted the question "what keeps you up at night?' or 'is there any action you've taken that you're unsure of'? I'd love to hear him answer that.
Do you think you would get an unguarded honest answer? My sense is Mark is very careful what he says - it was clear he did not enjoy his session on Capitol Hill - understandably
@@ScottCoppa-rp3tsyou have to understand that he runs a company, and if he said the wrong thing in the wrong way, there could be huge repercussions to the company's value. I don't think he lies, but rather is just careful to paint his words favourably. Of course, the same discretion is still required from a listener.
@@tormclean9657 you know, I understand what you say and, if we combine that with what Mark said about difficulties doing the business of Facebook in the world, having to meet with various regulations and how that all is causing lots of problems, also the fact that he even said that you shouldn't do business to make people feel happy (the very same people who are his customer base and main source of revenue), I'm wondering one thing: why keep pursuing something that nobody asked you to, especially if you are having so many obstacles, most of which are simply unsolvable due to the great differences between nations and cultures? Either scale down your business, so that you don't break so many rules or simply stop doing the business altogether. He is a kind of person who simply won't admit that he is wrong about something, which makes him arrogant.
Hearing Mark say learning ju-jitsu was "fun" brough me a genuine smile. I also notice his body language and speech was more flowing and natural when talking about it.
The best part of this interview is the last 7min. To see him talk about his family and light up makes him seem more human and down to earth then I've EVER seen him be.
@@jeroen7716 Precisely why I said “kind of.” Like the issues with the algorithm facilitating ped@s, that’s all over News or at least TH-cam videos and an actual interview on TH-cam with someone other than just what he had to do for business. It’s more than I’ve ever seen but I also don’t care to look.
I have just watched 'The Social Network'. Every time I watch that movie, it boosts my confidence level to 100x in programming, and always motivates me to learn new things about computers & technologies like AI/ML.
What's great about Lex is that he starts out like Columbo, talks about Jiu Jitsu etc.. and then he smoothly moves into some crazy topics that made even Zuck sweat a couple of beads. Nothing out there that's better. Thanks
The socially awkward nerd that used to show up on Rogan’s show and talk about robots has somehow become one of the greatest long form interviewers in the world lol it’s honestly incredible
An extremely well done interview nearly 3 hours long. Mark must have a long attention span to speak with Lex for so long compared to most. The power of procedural logic.
I gotta say, I know he’s been at this a very long time now in the public eye, but around 19:10 when the questions turn to Meta and less personal life, it’s insane how Mark’s voice, tempo, and processing changes. You can tell Mark is an exceptional precessional at this point, especially compared to where we started.
How could you not ask him about the fact that he is knowingly leading an ad-driven business model that causes loneliness, depression, anxiety and sometimes suicide while making the world more politically extreme and violent and tearing our societies apart beyond repair?
@@Major_Moose I think this isn’t investigative journalism. This is lex sucking up to Zuck rather than presenting him with FACTS and asking him to respond.
Saying Meta has the ability the solve the problem of people having less friends now than 15 years ago… as if they didn’t play a major role in creating the problem.
His belief that machine can always help instead of harm is amazing to see. Especially considering that there is a lot of evidence that kids today are significantly harmed by social media and the addiction to their cell phones.
funiest part is if he would be and not that bad. "you where right im alien. im not bad. but im also not good. im just a normal alien with human" lol that would be double funny
Maybe if big Mark spent less time meddling in elections, "fact checking" and censoring his customers and more time actually making his platforms and products interesting, the comonay wouldn't be in a death spiral. As a wise man once said, everything woke turns to shit :)
From jujitsu to metaverse, religion, and managing a company, great opportunity to get in touch with insights from two great minds, rather like in a jujitsu match.
People are seriously underestimating the vr headset. Or should i say they WERE until apple came out with a headset. Nevertheless i believe meta will be #1 in vr.
@@dewmontain123 i think if we were underestimating or overestimating the Quest 3, I'd say under purely because the Quest 3 is this new thing that everyone is talking about and lots of hype behind it but also we are down to earth about it I'm going to buy it when it comes out
It’s great to see Mark back! 1 on 1 interviews, especially long form podcasts with no specific line of questioning, must be a bit risky for Meta’s PR team. Glad they made it happen!
@@jason9875 risky how? I get what you say but Meta has been on risk anyway. Mark doesnt do 3am tweets so as person he is not that high risk as many other tech CEOs out there.
Something tells me Mark Zuckerberg’s jujitsu tournament went a whole lot like when Putin scrimmaged with pro Russian hockey players, and scored like six goals.
Apple Vision Pro seems to be focusing more on entertainment, productivity & the whole apple eco system integration aspect with a more high end approach and price point while Meta & Quest is like Mark said more focused on social interactions, gaming etc. with a more affordable price point targeting the masses. This might eventually turn into an Android vs iPhone dynamic in the AR/VR space.
It seems like the vision pro is something like a mix between the Microsoft HoloLens and a traditional vr headset. It's price range is more like the hololens anyhow.
Wow, how amazing it would be to be in that close group of people engaging in the most exciting and impactful projects and solutions. The amount of dopamine, meaning and learning gained would be insane. If we can’t be part of another like it, we need to get on with creating our own.
lmao what would going on podcasts do to help that? Mark is a multi billionare, he doesn't need to do literally anything. His grreat great grand children's great great grandchildren won't have to do anything.
@@Humma_Kavula You're underestimating the power of positive PR. He managed to win over a good chunk of this comment section. Just have a quick glance. It's almost as if people have forgotten everything he's done.
Whenever i see a conversation like this im amazaed, where participants seem like old time friends catching up, this should be the go-to-learn how to do an interview.
In the end it doesn't matter how enjoyable the podcasts are, once you reach the inner circle you are owned, the fakeness off the supposed tough, honest questions shine through and show themselves to be what they truly are.... merely rehearsed pantomime! Such is the world we now find ourselves in.....wake up people or continue to be part of the machine.
People thought I'm introvert. But I'm the most extrovert. In playing Hide and seek I hid for 10 years. Thank you for giving my friend circle to me. I owe you brother
Another great discussion between Mark and Lex. It seems Lex is building a network to support his startup idea. And the wonderful synchronicity with the curtain at the end gives its blessing to this friendship... Guess I'll have a robot and live in Metaverse so I can talk to an open source verison of Lex.
friendship? from two times they talked together? Maybe. I think Friedman is a patient listener with a very broad intellectual bases and can therefor make people feel that they are understood when he queries for deeper meanings on many topics and therefor they are at ease with him. Basicly a good interviewer.
Even though I haven't used any Facebook/Meta products in nearly a decade I think Mark is still an interesting figure that has done so many things in his life.
@@_DRMR_ Neither do I. I dont use any social media to be honest. With the exception of this platform if one considers this social media. Glad to see others like me.
as a engineer myself i am happy to see the movement towards shorter communication with decision makers. sometimes i work with small companies and their leader directly and i feel like i am enabled much more whenever i work with them. managers are just bad for tech.
Agreed. However not exclusive to tech. Bureaucracy in general is slowing potential for efficient potential growth within companies in [most] industries.
@@esachs90, Bureaucracy allows for other processes to run smoothly if done right and as boring as it sounds, it is a dull engagement in itself, but the sum/result of it far outweighs the input, again assuming it is done right. In short bureaucracy is a enabling tool, not a goal or a result.
This 2023 Zuckerburg model though more humanlike, creeps me out more for whatever reason. Looking into those empty beady eyes is too much like staring down a snake or a big ass bug. I give the alien design team an 8.5 out of 10 and hope they bring back the "I just dropped acid and ate shrooms" eyes from previous Zuckerburg models.
No matter how someone tries to present their passion for martial arts and watching fights in a positive light, for me such hobbies will always be some kind of compromising evidence and a basis for distrust. It doesn't matter how much a person broadcasts a positive image of himself to the masses. Better fight your inner cockerel...
On a never ending quest for efficiency, with nothing left but rationality; Fueled by insatiable hunger; Facilitated by relentless plunder, we designed machinery of digital divinity and deconstructed humanity successfully On a steady decline in disguise we became the architects of our own demise
This was my first time listening to mark in a long conversation, I have to say he's inspiring human being, i always imagined him just another boring corporate dude
I think he has evolved, as you would expect of most people. However, a lot of billionaires get lost in their glory I think, Mark has been following a noble path of self improvement despite his economic success. I have also found him to be quite a pleasant and thoughtful person after seeing his JRE/Lex appearances. I disagree with a lot of his business practices, morally, but I hope this growth of his will bleed into his business practices, and unless there are sinister reasons behind it as some have suggested, his willingness to open source projects is a good sign this could be happening already. Now I'd just like to see a much greater emphasis on protecting our data from unlawful spying and invasive marketing practice.
They should make AI communities made of similar AIs that talk to each other and share ideas. Mix them around so they all end up talking to different AIs. Give them goals and see if they collaborate or if any novel behavior occurs.
There have been some papers sort of in this space. There was one in last couple of months, where they ran them in a simulation much like the SIMs and there was all kinds of novel emergent behaviour from itm
Hearing an AI talk about his love for martial arts passionately is a new vibe I didn't know existed. Zuckerberg's handlers are asking for some knuckle sandwiches. Price to catch those hands free. watching the Zuckanator mercilessly beat Dogs, Women, Children and Elders is truly an inspiration and shining example of equality and equal opportunity. His hands are rated E for Everyone.
53:20 Mark saying "People today have less friends than 15 years ago..." with a straight face, LIKE HE ISN'T ONE OF THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS!!!! lol
Well I'm sure billionaire boy genius Mark Zuckerberg is very happy that he's just barely met the minimum social standards required to associate with nobody John Smith from the internet.
I think Lex wanna work with Mark and this was like a job interview where Lex shows how he can be of use for Marks business, consciously or unconsciously:)
Idea for facebook group admins, an ai that can respond simply. However it can study your previous comments and posts, and generate a list of 1000 answers to 100 questions and you can approve the responses or decline them then when the questions show up it can respond in the comments with a solid answer that you approve of. You can also script your own answers to replace the options the AI generated. And if an AI is unsure of how to interpret a question then you recieve a notification so your time isnt dedicated to answering the same question 500 times and instead you only have to answer it 5-10 times and the algorithm will figure it out. Would free up admin time to do things like go live, film content, study their craft, or run their business and their community they are working with will get the answers they need every single time!
Hey Lex I appreciate what you do. I would have liked to see you ask questions on the recent controversy with Instagram and Child..stuff. Also the comparison of VR Chat and Facebooks version. Thanks again for the quality content as always.
it's crazy to see Mark Zuckerberg actually be the voice of reason in open sourcing AI and he explained it so well too, I love seeing him here, in presentations it's like he's a CEO robot but here he just seems much more open about his thoughts and stuff like that so I love it
Great interview. Lex asked good questions and Mark explored the questions (with his wise CEO hat and liability hat on most of the time). Love the exploration of where we as a culture are going. Thanks for doing this interview and extra call out to having windows in the background showing nature. I think giving often viewed videos a little dose of Vitamin N(ature) is good practice for the audience. We prioritize this with our 3M monthly views. Look forward to more episodes with nature showcase.
The people who comment stuff like "he's a really great guy!" should be aware of what he actually gets accused of and what people have a problem with. Like Free Basics in India and other countries, the killing of competition (data sharing between Whatsapp and Facebook when they previously said they wouldn't do that), an algorithmic feed where you miss a number of friends' posts (and they miss yours), and so on
Хотелось бы поблагодарить Вас за возможность познакомиться с Вашим Гостем,как с "человеком у которого много ролей ".Для многих из нас важна и интересна не только тема беседы,но и люди стоящие за идеями.А когда лицо человека озаряется такой любовью,когда он говорит о своих детях, многим родителям ,и мне в том числе,человек и его идеи, становятся "более понятным"....Спасибо Вам.
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0:00 - Introduction:
0:28 - Jiu-jitsu competition
17:51 - AI and open source movement
30:22 - Next AI model release
42:37 - Future of AI at Meta
1:03:15 - Bots
1:18:42 - Censorship
1:33:23 - Meta's new social network
1:40:10 - Elon Musk
1:44:15 - Layoffs and firing
1:51:45 - Hiring
1:57:37 - Meta Quest 3
2:04:34 - Apple Vision Pro
2:10:50 - AI existential risk
2:17:13 - Power
2:20:44 - AGI timeline
2:28:07 - Murph challenge
2:33:22 - Embodied AGI
2:36:29 - Faith
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Yay
zuerberg in jail now 🤬😈
Lmaooo
Are you still doing coffee with Lex
To bad you didn't ask him about promoting child porn on Instagram.
It’s nice to see two AGIs speaking to each other
Here we go again with this dad joke
loool
😂
We'll look back at this in the future and realise this is true 😂
AGI & an alien/reptilian
Mark’s self-assuredness really comes through in this discussion. Great discussion! Thank you both for holding and recording it.
Huberman ❤ you
Zero self awareness though.
Self awareness > self assurdness....allthough if he was self aware he'd give himself nightmares for the drugs he peddles as technology
@@mrfake675 the tech is there. you can have it use you... or you can use it. I personally leverage the fuck out of it, rather than consume it like a so called drug
But what about all the real stuff?
2002 : Mark gets accepted into Harvard
2022 : Harvard accepts Mark's terms and conditions
“open sourcing the Lex”… probabilities and possibilities
😂
Is the improvement in Mark’s interpersonal skills a life change or a testament to AI growth? Truly meta conversation.....
I believe from what he said on Joe Rogan he has probably realized it's important to not get sucked into tech, which is manifested in his interest in bjj and other physical activities and that has lead to a change in persona which stems from a core change rather than something superficial.
I feel inclined to credit a fair portion of those emurgent properties to Lex's influence.. as well as the fact that they wrestled before this
@@jainin7682 he wasn't bad In the Joe Rogan podcast either.
Mark managed to say nothing for 3 hours! He only intimated they were working on "things to help businesses." Of course they are. Their stream of advertising revenue is about to be turned upside down by AGI. These two should get married since they enjoy stroking each other. We know they enjoy wrestling with each other. (Not that there's anything wrong with that - I would enjoy wrestling with Lex as well.) As far as his more developed interpersonal skills go, there were too many um, uh, and like, spoken for me to take him seriously as a CEO of one of the largest technology companies on the planet. He still sounds like a college kid who can't articulate what his company is doing.
He gets heavy-duty coaching
These Ai generated videos are becoming absurdly good.
lol
The model being used here ALMOST pulled it off, but what gives it away is that it got the color of Lex's iconic black suit wrong.
its not just software, AI also has a robot body now it seems
fucking cring/lame/outdated joke, wen ppl stop doing it, like, zzzz
Hell nah😂
His latest firmware update really did a great job making him act more like a human.
Hope my next update has that
Yeah he's done good
Ha. I think he always has had a dynamic personality and is super smart and moral. I think our image of Zuck has been when the Congress were trying to skewer and BBQ him. I think he was very very guarded. Smartly, talking to congress is like talking to a cop that stops you. The least you say, the better, the more kind of dumb you play it, the better.
Repetition penalty still needs to be larger though. I'm hearing "one of the" all through the video.
He's so full of shit. Not a single thing he says is an authentic reply, it's all calculated to be as little offensive to as large a group of people as possible. He talks like a bad lawyer trying to keep his client Facebook out of jail. Wouldn't be surprised if even the religious thing is a lie he discovered after understanding the majority of the world (=many of his users) are still religious.
Zuck really owns the robot overlord persona. Props to his programmer
Hahahahaha
You sound unintelligent and immature.
Could not have worded this more brilliantly
😂😂😂
jesus these "mark is a robot" jokes are so original..totally unique comment that nobody has ever made
Lex is a genius. Some people think he is giving Mark a smooth ride here, but he does not let up and pushes in a very skillful way. Still not sure about Mark on all aspects, but I'm glad he seemed to show some honesty around the pressure he feels from all corners, including the powers that be, regarding free speech - it is indeed a complex one. Truth always rises to the top in the end anyway. God bless
I was just lex’s waiter at the Cheesecake Factory and he was extremely polite and humble.
I just saw Lex at a glory hole and he was extremely polite and humble
How much tip did he leave?
@@dj1984x 42%!
@@84jamesp that's perfectly fine. Just cuz someone is rich or celebrity doesn't mean they gotta give us some absurd tip. I waited on Warren Buffett like 2 times a month cuz we live in same town within a mile of eachother. Normal dude but he's worth hundreds of billions and even he gives normal tips
Legend says he's got at least a dozen AI clones of himself smuggled out of Boston dynamics..
I would like love to see lex and Mark have an exhibition fight one day.. I'm just not sure if it would be broadcast on MMA or battle bots
😂
w/ Rogan announcing..
Who’s your money on?
@J W mark vs a black belt lol
Definitely battle bots lmao.
We've come so far, 2 AIs having this kind of dialogue for almost 3 hours is amazing!
Truly a moment of our generation.
Wait until he runs out of Batteries..Not Lex ..The refused model..
This is the second time he’s been on lol
LLMs have really gone a long way. That's a lot of tokens in 3 hours!
zucc seems more artificial
As I listen to this conversation I can't but think that there is nothing more depressing than a world where you talk to someone else though an AI that is literally replacing you, or the counterpart, or both.
That's literally the opposite of human interaction and the fact that these two and probably many others really believe it's a good thing scares me.
Same
Yes. But it would be great for talking to people with different languages. So through the ai. Also who's actually gonna talk to ai? Just go outside
Are you talking about the language translation?
The wild part is it's likely that you start becoming your Ai. "I wouldn't have replied that way, but I like it. I'll start talking like that!"
Such a stupid take
Lex, I don't know if you know it , but you're having a massively positive impact , not only to people like me with hardly any money , but also the likes of Mark . It's interesting to see how the future pans out because of you and your GOOD ethos on life.
Amen!
He's a Jew his existence is a net negative
His point about hiring people you'd actually want to work for is so spot on
Yet he's never really had a boss himself 😅 That's not personal insight it's something that a lot of people have said for years.
I think it makes even more sense from his perspective given he is quite young for a CEO and the people he directly interviews for top level management are probably people with many more years of experience than him.
@@overshot8331 you made me think how we value „years”
He’s run one of the biggest and most successful organizations in the world. He’s one of the most experienced people to run it, even if there are people with 40 years of CEO experience, how relevant to running Meta can that be?
@@arielzwolinski He's evil and he's an idiot! And you're just as low for not seeing it.
_So deep_
Zuckerberg is so confident, and he seems to have highly nuanced perspectives on things. I wish Lex had asked him "What might really shake you and make you doubt whether what you're doing is good?"
Although I agree, that is a question that needs to be asked I also think that in some way Lex doesnt have to ask... its all there for us to see. Lex is brilliant imo... its Lex´s non confrontatonal ways that even makes Zuckerberg talk. I share Zuckerbergs condition but we have nothing at all in common except for being socially "wierd".
I dont know if this is becouse of cultural difference or the fact that Zuckerberg have trained his social skills a long time but from my perspective if he feels fear about anything he doesnt feel enough of it. That power attention and responsibility would terrify me and being confronted about it would stress me to the point of PTSD.
I hope that helped in some way.
I belive to remember that in theire last conv they talked about questions like that....
That ain't gonna happen. Fridman is engaging in the fine art of access journalism. Do we honestly think if Lex gave Mark the spanking he richly deserves he'd ever come back? Of course he wouldn't.
@@MeneerHerculePoirot I'm not suggesting Fridman should give Zuckerberg a "spanking". I'm wishing out loud that Fridman had probed to find out what are Zuckerberg's doubts, because they'd be interesting to hear about and, as listeners, it would flesh out our understanding of this man who is such a big force in technology right now.
Robots don’t have feelings
It's kinda funny that Mark mentioned people have less friends then ever before. While also stating his goal is to bring people together. Not mentioning that social media did this to us 🤔
I don't think social media did this to anyone. If people aren't willing to take responsibility for what they allow in their lives, then there will always be someone/something to exploit that. It is just a symptom of people not managing their technology, and so it manages them.
I personally find having friends too time consuming on top of work girlfriend and life. As a British male , all having friends has ever meant for my life is going out drinking and I have a long criminal record from those days so I gave it up. Life is better on my own . I still see people at work and have gf
I still don't understand why Facebook doesn't build a "hey maybe you guys wanna meet up in real life and talk about this" feature
really? you dont see the issues that could arise from that o.o
@@GeneralTrusty new generation of people have been bred with dopamine boosting factors,no1 is going out ofc
LlaMA model has been a huge help for many open-source LLM models. It's ironic that Meta did this instead of 'Open'AI.
Wasn’t it an unofficial leak?
@@IntergalacticFool that’s what I thought, it does seem to benefit Meta in the end though so I don’t know
Yeah but they did it by accident lol. They don't get credit for accidentally leaking their own LLM!
@@SirQuantization That was no accident. They are far from being dumb, you don't just share a torrent magnet link with the whole trained model in a public GitHub repo.
I really can't believe they could be that stupid.
@@SirQuantization is it an "accident" if they gave the model to a bunch of random people that signed up on a waiting list on their website?
Can't wait for the Lex interviewing the Lex Language Model episode.
I love when he says “I train in my garage with a few friends”, and in my head I’m picturing a regular banged up garage with a couple mats on the floor 🤔🤔
Hahahah... His garage is bigger and better than most of our houses.
I love that Mark does not shy away from talking about competitor's strengths and good decisions. Shows a kind of humility much needed!
It's fake
"humility" Mark? 😂😂😂😂😂
humility💀☕
He was patched to express humility
its just technical discussion
You've got to hand it to Lex: He manages to talk to some of the most influential persons of our time. That is an achievement. Thanks to Lex for making it possible to listen to those people.
Zuck shits the same shit.
Stop pedestalizing him
It’s amazing to see Zuckerberg’s smile function activating in an almost normal human capacity. Same with whatever behavioural function he has running on this current OS!
Ah, yes, it's always a rare treat to witness the Zuckerberg smile.exe working at optimal levels! Rumor has it that his behavioral function on this OS is a highly advanced algorithm called 'Social Normalizer 3000,' specially designed to mimic human interaction. Just make sure not to activate the 'Data Collection Mode' or we'll all be stuck in an endless loop of targeted ads!
never underestimate alien
alien, robot, lizardman, or all three?
😂
Relax man and don’t be rude. He’s definitely very human and seems like a genuine dude
Lex didnt ask the one question I wanted. Zuck is always so sure about himself and everything he does. I wanted the question "what keeps you up at night?' or 'is there any action you've taken that you're unsure of'? I'd love to hear him answer that.
Do you think you would get an unguarded honest answer? My sense is Mark is very careful what he says - it was clear he did not enjoy his session on Capitol Hill - understandably
I think he asked him that in the first talk they had about a year ago.
@@Susanrogers-pt9mf6hx1w the amount of time he paused and said senator was nauseating. Stalling to buy time is what liars do
@@ScottCoppa-rp3tsyou have to understand that he runs a company, and if he said the wrong thing in the wrong way, there could be huge repercussions to the company's value. I don't think he lies, but rather is just careful to paint his words favourably. Of course, the same discretion is still required from a listener.
@@tormclean9657 you know, I understand what you say and, if we combine that with what Mark said about difficulties doing the business of Facebook in the world, having to meet with various regulations and how that all is causing lots of problems, also the fact that he even said that you shouldn't do business to make people feel happy (the very same people who are his customer base and main source of revenue), I'm wondering one thing: why keep pursuing something that nobody asked you to, especially if you are having so many obstacles, most of which are simply unsolvable due to the great differences between nations and cultures? Either scale down your business, so that you don't break so many rules or simply stop doing the business altogether. He is a kind of person who simply won't admit that he is wrong about something, which makes him arrogant.
The first rule of Meta Fight Club is don't talk about Meta Fight Club.
Did Mark got 10x wiser in the meantime? Loved this episode. Well done Lex.
It's called machine learning.
Yes he surprised me.
It’s called lying.
AI is quickly gaining new knowledge these days
Jiu Jitsu will do that to you
Hearing Mark say learning ju-jitsu was "fun" brough me a genuine smile. I also notice his body language and speech was more flowing and natural when talking about it.
Great way for lex to start the convo
Yes marks programming is improving… he is almost passing the turing test
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@@jenny2814. no u
@@jenny2814. for real. Over used jokes.
Its crazy how far artificial intelligence has gotten that it can have two robots speak to each other and have a conversation
The best part of this interview is the last 7min. To see him talk about his family and light up makes him seem more human and down to earth then I've EVER seen him be.
The design is very human
@@counterr6750 you dont think he is a human? genuinely?
I also enjoyed seeing Zuckerberg like this!
But it's a little funny to me how lex has all the powerful man vibes out of these two. 😂
This is a very curated comments section. Lex is such tool. Like all emacs users.
@@carlsjr7975 What the hell are you talking about? You think Lex is personally monitoring and deleting comments to make Zuckerberg seem likeable?
Seeing Mark in an interview is unusual but good to see and likely helpful for his public image. Glad to see Lex asking some (kind of) tough questions.
hello free2bee
Hes been on before
what tough question he asked? what public image?
@@jeroen7716 Precisely why I said “kind of.” Like the issues with the algorithm facilitating ped@s, that’s all over News or at least TH-cam videos and an actual interview on TH-cam with someone other than just what he had to do for business. It’s more than I’ve ever seen but I also don’t care to look.
@@stevend481 Didn’t know but thanks for sharing.
It's nice that Lex shows us what he's been working on in the field of AI.
aside from the real projects that check the ai wildness hehe joke
Ya, That's a myth alright
😂😂 makes sense if you consider the firmware includes Ju Jitsu
I have just watched 'The Social Network'. Every time I watch that movie, it boosts my confidence level to 100x in programming, and always motivates me to learn new things about computers & technologies like AI/ML.
Same 😂
What's great about Lex is that he starts out like Columbo, talks about Jiu Jitsu etc.. and then he smoothly moves into some crazy topics that made even Zuck sweat a couple of beads. Nothing out there that's better. Thanks
Lex is a master of that.
"oh... one more thing..." ;)
I sweat beads just hearing it. ❤😂🎉 lol
I was going to comment something similar, but the Columbo reference could not be improved on! Lex is the master.
The socially awkward nerd that used to show up on Rogan’s show and talk about robots has somehow become one of the greatest long form interviewers in the world lol it’s honestly incredible
Wonderful that these influential leaders make themselves available for these discussions. What a service you're providing! Amazing!
@@user-op5tx4tx8f 🤣🤣🤣
@@user-op5tx4tx8f😂😂😂
An extremely well done interview nearly 3 hours long. Mark must have a long attention span to speak with Lex for so long compared to most. The power of procedural logic.
Many of the interviews are this long or longer but they usually edit them down.
@@PeteQuaddont comment when you don’t know anything
@@jenny2814. good point.
@@jenny2814. edited videos usually hover around 1 hour mark,this would be still 50 mins if edited
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I gotta say, I know he’s been at this a very long time now in the public eye, but around 19:10 when the questions turn to Meta and less personal life, it’s insane how Mark’s voice, tempo, and processing changes. You can tell Mark is an exceptional precessional at this point, especially compared to where we started.
When its midnight UK time and another 3 hour Lex episode appears on the timeline. Oh well here we go...
Don't fall asleep while watching a long talk. They influence your dreams and you might not want where they take you.
We will be checking upon you every 15 minutes to see you are awake.
@@Skitdora2010 I always prefer to fall asleep to a long talk
@@Skitdora2010I've always thought about this possibility
@@Skitdora2010 I fall asleep to podcasts all the time; I never noticed. Might keep a note now to see
Mark and Lex seem to be getting along as close friends. The chemistry is there and both have a lot of common interests. Also, both are now 39 yrs old
They should get married
Lex is 39? 😮
just remember when lizardberg was 32 damn time flies
and thats not a good thing.
Lex your ability to put people at ease and comfort while interviewing them is extraordinary! 🎉sending you lots of love😊
Then it's not a interview is it
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How could you not ask him about the fact that he is knowingly leading an ad-driven business model that causes loneliness, depression, anxiety and sometimes suicide while making the world more politically extreme and violent and tearing our societies apart beyond repair?
Well said. What a weak host
It’s weird that lex is even famous. This is the best we got?
@@Major_Moose I think this isn’t investigative journalism. This is lex sucking up to Zuck rather than presenting him with FACTS and asking him to respond.
@@cbskwkdnslwhanznamdm2849 totally agree. He’s popular because he’s submissive.
Because Lex would never have another big name on his podcast ever again? Lmao.
Saying Meta has the ability the solve the problem of people having less friends now than 15 years ago… as if they didn’t play a major role in creating the problem.
Exactly!
10 minutes in and I can’t tell if this is an ai video skit or real life 😂. brilliant
Damn, AI has improved A LOT. I could almost mistake him for a human now.
Hahahaha!
Mark or Lex
@@michaeltrevino201 They’re one. One AI generating two IU (identity units)
Almost..
not so funny after it's been said hundreds of times
His belief that machine can always help instead of harm is amazing to see. Especially considering that there is a lot of evidence that kids today are significantly harmed by social media and the addiction to their cell phones.
He doesn’t have people’s best interest at heart, it’s all about power and greed, he’s a disgusting POS
With all the alien talk in the news lately I'm happy to see you got the foremost alien on the podcast.
You're breaking Elon's heart.
1
funiest part is if he would be and not that bad. "you where right im alien. im not bad. but im also not good. im just a normal alien with human"
lol that would be double funny
How rude
he's not an alien, he's a lizard robot
Love these types of podcasts, keep it up Lex! 🔥
Maybe if big Mark spent less time meddling in elections, "fact checking" and censoring his customers and more time actually making his platforms and products interesting, the comonay wouldn't be in a death spiral.
As a wise man once said, everything woke turns to shit :)
tech accounts 🤝 fire emoji
You love a fake guest rambling about nothing? Nice
@@Nckzta i don't understand, what do you mean he is a fake guest?
@@jh7589 sir are you underage?
Mark’s model is getting really good. Great prompts, Lex.
From jujitsu to metaverse, religion, and managing a company, great opportunity to get in touch with insights from two great minds, rather like in a jujitsu match.
Mark seems genuinely excited about Quest 3. His joy is infectious for a minute there.
People are seriously underestimating the vr headset. Or should i say they WERE until apple came out with a headset. Nevertheless i believe meta will be #1 in vr.
displayExcitementLevel = 1;
widenLizardEyes();
@@mandowarrior123 bruh
@@dewmontain123 i think if we were underestimating or overestimating the Quest 3, I'd say under purely because the Quest 3 is this new thing that everyone is talking about and lots of hype behind it but also we are down to earth about it
I'm going to buy it when it comes out
To be a success, VR systems need to cost at least as much as a phone, or I will just use my phone which is better.
I felt like the first podcast he was timid. But this time he seemed exited to see lex and talk. Cool to see you guys are becoming friends. 👍
It’s great to see Mark back! 1 on 1 interviews, especially long form podcasts with no specific line of questioning, must be a bit risky for Meta’s PR team. Glad they made it happen!
@@jason9875 risky how? I get what you say but Meta has been on risk anyway. Mark doesnt do 3am tweets so as person he is not that high risk as many other tech CEOs out there.
You know they have an outline of questions lined up and that he is prepared to answer, right?
This isn't 100% impromptu.
@@DavidMacKayE for sure, I wonder how many topics they have on the “don’t ask” list.
@@effexon risky for Meta, they are in many controversies hahaha. Anything that Zuck says could be a PR crisis
Something tells me Mark Zuckerberg’s jujitsu tournament went a whole lot like when Putin scrimmaged with pro Russian hockey players, and scored like six goals.
Plz have Bernado Kastrup on to talk about his time at CERN, Metaphysical Idealism, and why AI will never be conscious, he is a Gem of a Human as well🙏
Mark has really learned what it means to be hu-man.
God bless these AI innovations.
Apple Vision Pro seems to be focusing more on entertainment, productivity & the whole apple eco system integration aspect with a more high end approach and price point while Meta & Quest is like Mark said more focused on social interactions, gaming etc. with a more affordable price point targeting the masses. This might eventually turn into an Android vs iPhone dynamic in the AR/VR space.
I think you are spot on.
It seems like the vision pro is something like a mix between the Microsoft HoloLens and a traditional vr headset. It's price range is more like the hololens anyhow.
I don't have any faith in Apple releasing a truly innovative product. It's been a long time and I don't know if they have it in them anymore.
No. Apple vision pro is overpriced trash at this point. It’s basically over glorified productivity tool that only works with App Store.
Lex really knows how to bring out the best in Mark Zuckerberg
He really helps humanize him
@@nicoleg8137 Lex is good at getting the human out of a reptile.
I like when he pretends to care about firing people
it's nice to see two AI robots speaking to each other
Haha
@@lilac624 its not a laughing matter
Wow, how amazing it would be to be in that close group of people engaging in the most exciting and impactful projects and solutions. The amount of dopamine, meaning and learning gained would be insane. If we can’t be part of another like it, we need to get on with creating our own.
You know Meta/FB is in trouble when Zuck decides to do interviews and actually face the public lol
lmao what would going on podcasts do to help that? Mark is a multi billionare, he doesn't need to do literally anything. His grreat great grand children's great great grandchildren won't have to do anything.
Not necessarily. Elon has set the bar as of late for the CEOs to be out there and not be reclusive.
@@viadharmawheel But that is trademark Elon, it’s literally part of his business model. Being “out there” is the antithesis of what Zuckerberg is.
@@Humma_Kavula You're underestimating the power of positive PR. He managed to win over a good chunk of this comment section. Just have a quick glance. It's almost as if people have forgotten everything he's done.
Whenever i see a conversation like this im amazaed, where participants seem like old time friends catching up, this should be the go-to-learn how to do an interview.
In the end it doesn't matter how enjoyable the podcasts are, once you reach the inner circle you are owned, the fakeness off the supposed tough, honest questions shine through and show themselves to be what they truly are.... merely rehearsed pantomime! Such is the world we now find ourselves in.....wake up people or continue to be part of the machine.
I didn't think that I would enjoy an interview with Zuck as much as I did. So well done!
Enjoy, Very subtle.
Ditto
media is hyping up the coming of aliens
You make Mark Z seem like a cool normal dude 😂 ❤
💯
People thought I'm introvert.
But I'm the most extrovert.
In playing Hide and seek I hid for 10 years.
Thank you for giving my friend circle to me.
I owe you brother
Another great discussion between Mark and Lex. It seems Lex is building a network to support his startup idea. And the wonderful synchronicity with the curtain at the end gives its blessing to this friendship... Guess I'll have a robot and live in Metaverse so I can talk to an open source verison of Lex.
friendship? from two times they talked together? Maybe. I think Friedman is a patient listener with a very broad intellectual bases and can therefor make people feel that they are understood when he queries for deeper meanings on many topics and therefor they are at ease with him. Basicly a good interviewer.
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Lol
Let me buy you a drink in meta verse baby
Even though I haven't used any Facebook/Meta products in nearly a decade I think Mark is still an interesting figure that has done so many things in his life.
Truly one of the Zucks of all time
@_DRMR_
You mean you're not on Instagram, either?
@@perspicaciouscritic as I said: I don't use their products.
Lex must kiss elon mask ass passionately in every damn podcast!!
@@_DRMR_ Neither do I. I dont use any social media to be honest. With the exception of this platform if one considers this social media.
Glad to see others like me.
Omg, Zuck working so hard having to carefully choose every word he speaks. Intense.
as a engineer myself i am happy to see the movement towards shorter communication with decision makers. sometimes i work with small companies and their leader directly and i feel like i am enabled much more whenever i work with them. managers are just bad for tech.
Agreed. However not exclusive to tech. Bureaucracy in general is slowing potential for efficient potential growth within companies in [most] industries.
@@esachs90, Bureaucracy allows for other processes to run smoothly if done right and as boring as it sounds, it is a dull engagement in itself, but the sum/result of it far outweighs the input, again assuming it is done right. In short bureaucracy is a enabling tool, not a goal or a result.
Are you only allowed to glaze these people in order to get interviews? You should be asking much tougher questions.
One of the best podcasters in the world at the moment. One of the few that I watch every video that's released! Love you man!
It'd have been great if Sam Altman was also there. The world would've gotten a chance to observe how three AGIs communicate in a podcast.
Altman is just a middleman with loads of contacts, the one who truly knows about AI is Ilya Sutskever (co-founder & chief scientist at OpenAI).
This 2023 Zuckerburg model though more humanlike, creeps me out more for whatever reason. Looking into those empty beady eyes is too much like staring down a snake or a big ass bug. I give the alien design team an 8.5 out of 10 and hope they bring back the "I just dropped acid and ate shrooms" eyes from previous Zuckerburg models.
Where's the picture of your face....?
Mark gives off a really cool and humbling presence here. He seems like a genuinely cool person.
No matter how someone tries to present their passion for martial arts and watching fights in a positive light, for me such hobbies will always be some kind of compromising evidence and a basis for distrust. It doesn't matter how much a person broadcasts a positive image of himself to the masses. Better fight your inner cockerel...
That is genuinely naive assumption.
Dude wake up
I think jiu jitsu has humanized and humbled Mark. There is hope after all.
@@shabblabbat No. This is just another branch of work on the development of his inner cockerel. And he loves to compete.
On a never ending quest for efficiency,
with nothing left but rationality;
Fueled by insatiable hunger;
Facilitated by relentless plunder,
we designed machinery of digital divinity
and deconstructed humanity successfully
On a steady decline in disguise
we became the architects of our own demise
Your poetry is first rate but a bit negative in your assessment.
This was my first time listening to mark in a long conversation, I have to say he's inspiring human being, i always imagined him just another boring corporate dude
Are you sure we both watched the same podcast?
I think he has evolved, as you would expect of most people. However, a lot of billionaires get lost in their glory I think, Mark has been following a noble path of self improvement despite his economic success. I have also found him to be quite a pleasant and thoughtful person after seeing his JRE/Lex appearances. I disagree with a lot of his business practices, morally, but I hope this growth of his will bleed into his business practices, and unless there are sinister reasons behind it as some have suggested, his willingness to open source projects is a good sign this could be happening already. Now I'd just like to see a much greater emphasis on protecting our data from unlawful spying and invasive marketing practice.
@@beatsandstuff Did you? He seems like a normal dude.
Billionaire cry baby
Corporate simp
They should make AI communities made of similar AIs that talk to each other and share ideas. Mix them around so they all end up talking to different AIs. Give them goals and see if they collaborate or if any novel behavior occurs.
There have been some papers sort of in this space. There was one in last couple of months, where they ran them in a simulation much like the SIMs and there was all kinds of novel emergent behaviour from itm
Hearing an AI talk about his love for martial arts passionately is a new vibe I didn't know existed. Zuckerberg's handlers are asking for some knuckle sandwiches. Price to catch those hands free. watching the Zuckanator mercilessly beat Dogs, Women, Children and Elders is truly an inspiration and shining example of equality and equal opportunity. His hands are rated E for Everyone.
53:20 Mark saying "People today have less friends than 15 years ago..." with a straight face, LIKE HE ISN'T ONE OF THE PEOPLE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS!!!! lol
I actually like Mark Zuckerberg. The more I see these long conversations the more he seems like an interesting guy I would enjoy hanging out with.
You have to be a sarcasm generator bot
same, he sounds very real
only a man named john smith would say such a thing
@@vaina2 lol
Well I'm sure billionaire boy genius Mark Zuckerberg is very happy that he's just barely met the minimum social standards required to associate with nobody John Smith from the internet.
If a UFO landed in my yard while I was watching one of Lex's interviews, the UFO would have to wait.
We need to see Mark Zuck out there more often, I think it would truly help the image of his brand and Meta. Great interview!
I think Lex wanna work with Mark and this was like a job interview where Lex shows how he can be of use for Marks business, consciously or unconsciously:)
Lex with his extensive knowledge of AI really can get the most out of an interview with MZ
Well, this was possibly the most interesting boring conversation to ever happen. 😂
It’s interesting to see mark develop over the past decade or more.
He still has the same dumb haircut
His software is constantly updated
Lex is a friggin monster with these awesome interviews. Go get ‘em Lex! 👍👍👍
You always talk about good topics, thanks Lex
Damn good to see this guy have a longform talk and ive watched a couple of your videos and loving the AI hype it gives me
Idea for facebook group admins, an ai that can respond simply. However it can study your previous comments and posts, and generate a list of 1000 answers to 100 questions and you can approve the responses or decline them then when the questions show up it can respond in the comments with a solid answer that you approve of. You can also script your own answers to replace the options the AI generated. And if an AI is unsure of how to interpret a question then you recieve a notification so your time isnt dedicated to answering the same question 500 times and instead you only have to answer it 5-10 times and the algorithm will figure it out. Would free up admin time to do things like go live, film content, study their craft, or run their business and their community they are working with will get the answers they need every single time!
Hey Lex I appreciate what you do. I would have liked to see you ask questions on the recent controversy with Instagram and Child..stuff. Also the comparison of VR Chat and Facebooks version. Thanks again for the quality content as always.
THIS.
it's crazy to see Mark Zuckerberg actually be the voice of reason in open sourcing AI and he explained it so well too, I love seeing him here, in presentations it's like he's a CEO robot but here he just seems much more open about his thoughts and stuff like that so I love it
Great interview. Lex asked good questions and Mark explored the questions (with his wise CEO hat and liability hat on most of the time). Love the exploration of where we as a culture are going. Thanks for doing this interview and extra call out to having windows in the background showing nature. I think giving often viewed videos a little dose of Vitamin N(ature) is good practice for the audience. We prioritize this with our 3M monthly views. Look forward to more episodes with nature showcase.
Very enjoyable conversation. Got me pretty psyched about the Quest 3.
The people who comment stuff like "he's a really great guy!" should be aware of what he actually gets accused of and what people have a problem with. Like Free Basics in India and other countries, the killing of competition (data sharing between Whatsapp and Facebook when they previously said they wouldn't do that), an algorithmic feed where you miss a number of friends' posts (and they miss yours), and so on
Хотелось бы поблагодарить Вас за возможность познакомиться с Вашим Гостем,как с "человеком у которого много ролей ".Для многих из нас важна и интересна не только тема беседы,но и люди стоящие за идеями.А когда лицо человека озаряется такой любовью,когда он говорит о своих детях, многим родителям ,и мне в том числе,человек и его идеи, становятся "более понятным"....Спасибо Вам.
Lex Friedman should be the moderator for the 2024 Presidential Debate!
who cuts this guys hair?
Flowbee
Jeez a relief to hear Mark speak with so much less tension and rigidness in his voice.
I can see you are in love....
Such an amazing time to be alive, this AIs are getting super real tbh
I hope so. We've been in a real slump the last 20 years.
Hold on to your papers!
Why didn't you ask him about the Instagram thing where they were helping connect human traffickers/p*dos?