4seasons have been my absolute go to tyre for over 12 years or more. Never a puncture and I ride some pretty crappy roads. My GP 4000’s, back in the day, only lasted a couple of hundred kms ( for example ). To be honest, it’s hard to tell the difference and after a week or so, you don’t notice or care anyway. My Strava times don’t lie and there’s little difference at all. Plus I’m not elite athlete. So I’ll pick grip and reliability every time. You will never regret these tyres.
The grip in the cold and wet is so much better with the 4 seasons. They are still a performance tyre, so durability is not great. Gatorskins are very durable and don't puncture easily, but they are slippery in the wet.
Hi Fed, I've used the 4 seasons for many years during Spring, Summer & Autumn on the Sussex, Surrey & Kent lanes - a brilliant all round tyre with good road feedback, they also give me confidence when cornering etc. I use Gator Hardshells in the deep winter & I find these give absolutely no road feedback & make the ride feel dead compared to the 4 Seasons, they also give me plenty of squeaky bum moments as I find them slippy, not grippy! I've had to purchase GP5000's for my best bike as it's easier to buy hens teeth than it 4 seasons at the moment & those who do stock them are ridiculously overpricing them. Anyway, ride safe & keep up the good work! Cheers.
Hi Fed. I have used the gp5000 on 3 bikes but I think the 4 season is the way to go now I am not racing. It lasts longer and is pretty much the tire i am after on group rides! It doesn´t really lack speed, unless you are looking for marginal gains, and it last way longer on crappy surfaces. It is still a pretty rapid road tire.
I think you are right. I just fitted again the GP5000, they feel a bit faster, but I had another puncture 2 days ago! With the 4 seasons nothing, apart from the 1st one.
My tires of choice for my commutes. Riding a road bike in forest and on gravel roads and they are absolutely a bliss!!! Since four or five years no other tire on my commute road bike.
Hi Fede Best winter, or 4 seasons, tyres are in my opinion Vittoria Corsa Control TLT. I use 30 mm size and here in Oxfordshire where the quality of B road is not excellent, mostly dirty and full of debris, they grip and feel absolutely safe in corners. The resistance is really low compared to other tyres. Tubeless ready, got a punture in one year of usage, self repaired by the sealant, back home thanks to liners. Having carbon wheels, following the motto better safe than sorry, installed Vittoria liners for road tyres. Tricky installation but they area really brilliant if you suffer a puncture. Thanks for your videos! Enjoy cycling
I’ve used GP5000’s through summer and Gatorskins through winter, but tbh I’m a convert to Bontrager AW3’s. Comparable puncture resistance to the Gators, but a softer more plyable ride. Keep up the good work 🎥 your humour is asciutta 👌🏼
I've had incredibly good luck with the Bontrager AW2 over the years, but they're no longer available...damn. Extremely few flats, light, pliable, high compliance and relatively easy to get on and off my older Mavic A319 rims. I do large amounts of back-road riding here in Canada as well as asphalt. Last time I checked, the AW3 was not in stock, on a ship somewhere coming from overseas. I'll try one when available, then match it on the rear if I like it.
can you tell me the durability in km or miles of the bontrager aw3? Was it the common or hard lite version? do you prefer aw3? conti 4 season? or Conti Gatorskin?
I use the gp5000 all year. For max performance i renew my tyres on the summerbike earlier than it must be. These used tires i use on my winter bike until they are worn.
I was getting punctured on 4 seasons, it was cheap rim tape , a sharp edge combined with 100psi will do it , changed to conti rim tape - problem solved, definitely a good winter tyre.
If you have an alloy wheel with a machined nipple access hole it is worth filing all the sharp edges on the holes. Then with better rim tape you should be fine.
I do still have a set of these on a spare set of wheels, but tbh rarely use them now since putting 28mm GP5000 TL on my main wheels. The spare wheels only get used if it's really windy now for the shallower rims rather than the tyres. Those tyres are great, but I think road tubeless is probably going to eventually negate the more resilient tyres as technology evolves there and things become easier to use and lighter. I don't find the wet grip on the GP 5000's is too bad, obviously taking it a bit easier on the corners. I found that since I've swapped to discs, there was no real need for "winter bike" or "winter wheels" for my personal usage. I actually sold my "winter" bike and the stuff I had foor that as just wasn't using it and bought a gravel bike (also tubeless) for pottering about in the forest tracks, which is quite fun in winter training. I'm really loving these reviews coming from you lately, nice to see a genuine and unbiased view on everything!
These are my favorite tyres so far. I ride year round with the same tyres. I'm not a racer so I wanted a tyre that I could just leave on and forget about. I did manage to tear open the surface of my back tyre when I rode over a half broken beer bottle... I replaced it with a continental gatorskin and can't say I really like it. Yess it's durable and doesn't seem to get rocks inbeded in it but they really don't offer the grip or confidence of the 4 season when riding in the cold or wet conditions. I do think the thread looks more like a 'race' tyre.
5 years of riding bike. approx. 5000km outdoors and I have only ever got 1 puncture and it was my fault. Hopped a curb at high speed and blew out the sidewall on the back tire. Tubeless is the only way to ride. Schwalbe Pro1 is best so far. Continental I don't particularly care for but they do feel faster. Trying Michelin Power this summer.
Happy April 5th Federico, I was re-watching this video. I used the Conti's 5000 and 4000 for a few years and just this past fall switched over to Pirelli's tubeless...so far I am happy with them. I hear you on drivers passing you by as you attempt to fix a flat, I have even had some yell "wonderful" comments. All the best this upcoming 2022 spring/summer, audios from Albuquerque, NM
Thanks for the review, just ordered some! As my tan walled Vittoria corsa controls didn’t last long with rim brakes which caused a split in the bead which is common with tan walled tyres apparently!
@@fede1275 good to know :) I will probably go for the black Vittoria version when they are offer again as the handing and wet/damp weather grip was great in them, and use them during the summer. Keep up the good work on your channel. Already bought those bottle cages you recommended, changed my saddle after watching your video, next thinking about another helmet as want a lower profile one!!
I've used the 4 season tires on and off for twenty years. Very good training tires in all weather conditions with decent puncture protection. These days I prefer Schwalbe Marathon Supreme slick tires on the road. In my opinion better performance and puncture resistance than the 4 season tires.
I had a good run with a pair. One got a puncture almost immediately so I put that down to bad luck. My next puncture was around five thousand kilometres. I got eight thousand kilometres from the front and I could have got much further. My fastest time for the Lake Taupo Cycle Challenge out of the ten times I did it I was running them
Hi Fede !!! Conti wi yet tyres are unpredictable on my wife’s bike I’ve fitted Gatorskins which I have had good commutes on myself on my own bike . On my silver Allez I’ve fitted Specialized armoured tyres in size 28 ! I love 28’s best of both worlds grip & comfort. Keep up the good work 👍🏽
Good day Fredrico , it's been a while since I have made a comment on your channel , I've been slack no fault of your great content . Anyways I agree with your assessment of the GP 5000 , the 4000 for that matter but as for the four seasons I've never had the privilege to ride them , although I have ridden several pairs of Gator skins and flatted on 2 of the 3 pairs early on in there life so now I use only GP 5000s or older 4000s NOS. that I had bought at a good left over price when the 5000s came on the seen . All I know is that Spring is in the air and we can put our cold weather kit away soon for another year , Thanks and will talk to you soon , Mark Battista
I run the Grand prix 4 seasons on my bike, I'm pulling little chunks of glass out after almost every commute and in 1.5 years or so only had o e flat, typically that was a slice that went all the way through and I decided to replace the tyre, then repair the original and keep as a backup as the tread was still very good, hopefully the new one lasts longer!
I've had lots of punctures with gatorskins I used shwalbe durrano dd I think they're called in winter and found them bullet proof. Hit a pothole so hard it completely buckled the wheel, tyre still stayed up!!
Love my 32 mm four seasons , superfast on my gravel bike, never punctured. Moved them last year onto my city beater, glass, metal and traffic everywhere and still no flats. They're a hoot .
An addendum to my reply : still no flats and a lot of glass mixed with debrit on the roads here. Had a few Vectra/aramid strand threads pulling out of the tyres and burnt them off with a cigarette lighter to fix that tyre maintained issue. Also the Kevlar anti scuff mesh on one side wall delaminated by a couple of millimetres from one end but re-atatched with a drop of superglue. These tyres have had two years of abuse now and are still trucki'n strong.
@@fede1275 Indeed. Our Spring rides often take us on road, pathway, sidewalk and even grass and the increased sized of this 4 Season 32mm model does the trick!
@@fede1275 I ride a 2010 Giant TCR cross bike in 3 of 4 seasons. It can even take a 40mm WTB Nano tire. I have a winter spring wheelset with 32mm 4Seasons tires and a gravel wheelset with the 40mm Nano's. I still have some Challenge Baby Limus tires should I ever want to attempt a Cross race again.
I think the tread pattern "squirts" more water out the sides of the tires. The same principal applies to car tires. I predict that gives you the "cleaner" ride...
@@fede1275when you made that comment about the spray and your bike stayed cleaner ...my first thought was that the successfully optimized the tread pattern to displace the water giving you a drier contact with the tarmac. Not surprised that they grip well in the wet. Being four season tires the compound is chosen for good grip in the cold . It's the same thing in car tire technology. I would put my dedicated winter tires on my car when it got colder and well before the snow came. So much better at 40°F and raining. I've heard good things about Conti studless winter tires too. These comments came from colleagues that were using studded tires for the winter. You might want to give them a try as they probably have technology from dedicated winter tires compounds with better (meaning some grip as opposed to none) grip on ice. I would give them a try myself but my days of winter cycling are done. Could have used that winter technology for my shoes a few winters ago...slipped off a curb and came straight down on it . Yeah four decades of winter cycling and yes more than a few falls and just got up and road away. I hit the curb and instantly knew I was getting up or putting any weight on it....major surgery was going to be needed to do that. But I do have a fancy ceramic bearing and a bit of a titanium frame and hardware now. Before they could operate on the hip they had to put a rod in my lower feamer to pull the acetabulem buried in the pelvis out of the socket so they could reconstruct everything...they made a instruction tutorial of the whole process for other surgeons to learn from it. Fortunately I already knew were some good orthopedic surgeons were and went straight to the ER there.
@@stevengagnon4777 I believe the 4 Seasons are a very specific winter race tyre. The grip is excellent, maybe as you said because of the patterns as well as the compound. The durability is not great and I decided to ride the GP5000 all year around for the road bikes. On the winter bike I am now trying the Pirelli P Zero Race Classic.
@@fede1275 I lived in the snow belt. We all used those Nokian Haktapaca studded tires in the winter for decades. They really made a difference especially after the snow got packed down and turned to ice. Even though most of the roads would be clear the were always places that would still be icy. Those tires certainly were slow and heavy but they lasted fir nearly a decade of use on our purposely equipped winter bikes. Mine was a steel Raleigh C50 that I altered the geometry(chopped the stays and a bit shorter fork and rake) and used as cyclocross bike. Ran cyclocross tubulars on it until winter. Although I really used it as a commuter that could go anywhere, having the sloping top tube was nice for dismounting. That was a little more than three decades ago and still have that bike . A tad heavy but rides so nice so I never replaced it.
I really love your video’s 👍🏾. At the moment I’m using my cyclocross bike for the winter and I use the Vittoria Rubino Pro tyres and they are amazing! Cheap and reliable and no punctures and I’ve been using them since September 👍🏾
Rider from Montreal, Canada here. I've used Rubino Pros for 2 seasons in the spring and fall months when the road conditions are poor. When kept inflated correctly they have been excellent.
For several years now in Winter I have used Spesh Armadillo non-folding 25mm. It is a tyre for winter and crappy road surfaces like the moon. I wouldn't go for a pb on a go-kart track with them, you get the gist.
Yes, I considered them when I got the Gatorskins for the Merida, somehow the Continental were in stock. With these ones I'm trying something that is still performance oriented.
Before I watch,I’m commuting on these tyres,I’ve done six months 8 mile a day and they are as new,they look like the day I bought them,really fast,grippy TOP CLASS
i got a cut and puncture in the first week using GP4000. the tire has grooves that are deep enough that can pick up debris and eventually cut the tire tire. i prefer michelin Pro4
Gp5000 and vittoria corsa control both 28 for winter. Gp5000 25 for summer. Tried the best rolling Vitoria Corsa speed 25 for summer but there are very prone to puncture so I stick with gp5000 25 and very happy with the performance like you stated. For winter same performance tire with larger volume and less pressure solves the problem imho.
I just bought a gravel for work and winter .so comfortable to ride .only my road bike for the nice days .for sure its quiker lol. Cheers .ohh conti ultrasport 3 not to bad id say 🍺🚲🍺
@@fede1275 id say the reason i bought s gravel bike is winter commuting.i love it . Rainy days I have fenders.still need to find the ultimate rain gear lol 🤔🤔🙏🚲🍺
I have gp5000 on one bike and 4 season on the other. They are both good as tyres. When you mention looks though, I don’t care about the tread on the 4 seasons but I find that brown line on the wall of the tyre to be very ugly. Next time I’ll make sure to get the fully black ones!
I have had road on them quite a bit they are ok, roads r pretty bad up here in up state NY. I am also a bigger guy 190lbs-200lbs and i do get puctures and pinch flats with them. Best training and commuting tires hands down, are the specialize turbo gripton and Roeboux. think they have a couple more that r very good also. I bike about 3,000 miles a yr
I'm 190 lbs myself 😄. Last year I clocked more than 6000 Miles, at the end of the day not so many punctures in proportion, but when it happens it's so annoying!
@@fede1275 Nice... Good Channel Federico. Winter are very harsh in upstate NY not much cycling in the winter. I do a lot of cross country skiing, little jogging and weights in the winter time.
I'm working on some Pirelli Road 26mm tires right now. Continental's don't provide as much grip as I like and haven't used them since way before the 4000 series went out. The 5000 series is just too pricey too.
Really? I never had a reason to doubt GP5000 and 4 Seasons grip. I agree that it's difficult to find a good price for the 4 seasons, but the GP5000 is easily sourced at a good price?
When I was commuting Maxxis Refuse were bulletproof, I would NEVER get punctures, and they lasted a long time. Then I changed to GP5000 the non tubeless version and I rarely get a puncture, but they roll a lot smoother. I don’t know if the Maxxis tyres are still good, it has been a while, for me the GP5000 get the balance right.
Yes, I still love the 5000, I am trying the 4 Seasons as lately I had a few more punctures and I was wondering if winter tyres could work better. Will see.
@@fede1275 Another good video, I wanted to share which tyre I’ve used that had the best puncture protection. I used to commute a lot and understand how frustrating punctures are. But I haven’t used the Maxxis tyres for years, so don’t know if they are still bullet proof.
Again, totally pertinent to my situation. New emonda sl6, deciding whether to place seasons or 5000 on my new road bike. Currently have 32mm 4 seasons on my 2022 trek fx 2 ( I love the tires on that bike) but not sure about giving up speed. I want SPEED! What’s the real difference between the two in speed Fede? Marginal?
Maybe it's all in my head, but when I put the GP5000 back for the summer, they felt slightly faster. Don't have any real data. I'll switch back to the 4 seasons for the winter as the grip and feedback is great.
@@fede1275 thanks Fede. I went the the 5000’s and I’m glad I did. Now I just need to determine if I need a slightly shorter stem. As you mentioned in another video, perhaps it’s me just getting used to an Emonda racing bike. Prior to this bike, I was riding endurance road bikes. I just feel a little too much weight in my hands, so we will see.
@@davemazur2062 yes, it's good to play around with the position. I found it very useful to see how you ride from the outside. Maybe ask a friend to film you to check if you would need to make any changes. It's much easier to assess it that way.
To me the 4 Seasons are only marginally better than the GP5000 for punctures. They are actually a very high performance tyre with optimum grip in colder temperature, not something that will give you lower wear and great puncture resistance. I now use GP5000 all year around.
Hello, I ride the 4 seasons, too. I changed this year from 25 th to 28th. Can I use 25 th tubes for them or must I buy bigger tubes? Thank you for your help 👍
Best to check the tubes you are using, they might work but some are labelled up to 25 an some over 25, Continental I believe, while Specialized up to 28.
@@fede1275 thank you. I just found the maxxis tubes, they seem to work from 23 to 32 and the Conti race 28 wide. They seem to work, too.. maybe you can check them and tell me your opinion?
@@frankabels5761 with Continental check the label on the case as they call Race 28 the model of the inner tube and have 20-25 width and 25-32. So you want the second one.
How do they compare on stated vs measured with please? They'd need to measure 28mm wide to be able to use them with my mudguards. My GP5000 28s measure 28mm on the rim (and work with mudguards), but GP classics 28 measured 32mm on the rim (and don't) - with the Mavic Aksium winter wheels. ie if these measured wider I'd have to go for the 25s. Thanks!
Unfortunately I am not sure, I have not measured them. On the same rim they felt same or maybe slightly slimmer than GP5000. I have only used the 25c version. Definitely the rim width would have the tyre changing its shape.
I assume these are not tubeless, in 2020 season I've six punctures but in fact it was only pinch flats on my tubed contis, so in 2021 season I went for tubeless hutchinsons, impossible to pinch flat, I love them, super light, fast and very grippy, but very thin, so in fall of last year I swaped it for Pirelli cinturato, actualy my winter tires, extremly durable and also tubeless 👍
Are they still produce this tyre? I've avoiding to buy this tyre because of the production date. I'm using Pirelli P7 Sport 32mm and I'm very happy with the wet conditions. A little bit heavy but puncture protection is good.
Not sure! I'm now back to riding GP5000 all year round. Yes the 4 Seasons are better in the winter, but the durability is similar as it's still a performance tyre and I might as well stick with the 5000.
I had a great run last winter, only had an initial puncture. However this winter I kept the GP5000 on the Canyon as I wanted to compare the new Velobuild with the Goodyear F1. Wear was great, maybe 50% better than GP5000, very good confidence and they seem almost as fast.
can you tell me the durability in km or miles of the bontrager aw3? Was it the common or hard lite version? do you prefer aw3? conti 4 season? or Conti Gatorskin?
Haven't tried the Bontrager yet. The Gatorskin are very hard wearing, but the grip is not the best. I have had them for 2 years and 6000 Km on the Merida. Conti 4 seasons are great for grip and confidence, but the longevity is a bit better than the GP5000, but not by a great deal.
@@fede1275 where the roads are a little dirty, which causes punctures. I've been using Bontrager R3 on my Emonda, but the durability is only 3500km on average, and they are good for rolling only in the first 1000 km. I only had 2 holes in two sets of tires and 7500 km. The GP 5000 I used on other bikes I had are fantastic, but cut the side easily. I ride an average of 2,000 km a month, so I'm looking for a tire with durability and a bit of quality. thank you very much for your attention
Hi I've read you can run Continental grand prix 5000 tubeless they say the tires will hold up with out sealant.can run with out sealant? And I know air will deflate next day like my tubulars .
Let them laugh. They are just one nail in the road away from a roadside wheel change into that spare “donut” wheel. An entire day spent on wasted time waiting for the mechanics to change your tire and charging you out the wazoo for a job that took 15 minutes. Granted the professionals do have the equipment to make that job that fast so I guess you couldn’t exactly complain. Rambling about it at this moment lol
4seasons have been my absolute go to tyre for over 12 years or more. Never a puncture and I ride some pretty crappy roads. My GP 4000’s, back in the day, only lasted a couple of hundred kms ( for example ). To be honest, it’s hard to tell the difference and after a week or so, you don’t notice or care anyway. My Strava times don’t lie and there’s little difference at all. Plus I’m not elite athlete. So I’ll pick grip and reliability every time. You will never regret these tyres.
I was all set to order the Gatorskins and thought, I'll have a quick YT search first. Glad I did. I hadn't even considered the GP 4 seasons. Cheers!
The grip in the cold and wet is so much better with the 4 seasons. They are still a performance tyre, so durability is not great. Gatorskins are very durable and don't puncture easily, but they are slippery in the wet.
Hi Fed, I've used the 4 seasons for many years during Spring, Summer & Autumn on the Sussex, Surrey & Kent lanes - a brilliant all round tyre with good road feedback, they also give me confidence when cornering etc. I use Gator Hardshells in the deep winter & I find these give absolutely no road feedback & make the ride feel dead compared to the 4 Seasons, they also give me plenty of squeaky bum moments as I find them slippy, not grippy! I've had to purchase GP5000's for my best bike as it's easier to buy hens teeth than it 4 seasons at the moment & those who do stock them are ridiculously overpricing them. Anyway, ride safe & keep up the good work! Cheers.
Absolutely, same as my findings. GP5000 and 4 Seasons both have a great grip and feedback, Gatorskins not so much.
Hi Fed. I have used the gp5000 on 3 bikes but I think the 4 season is the way to go now I am not racing. It lasts longer and is pretty much the tire i am after on group rides! It doesn´t really lack speed, unless you are looking for marginal gains, and it last way longer on crappy surfaces. It is still a pretty rapid road tire.
I think you are right. I just fitted again the GP5000, they feel a bit faster, but I had another puncture 2 days ago! With the 4 seasons nothing, apart from the 1st one.
I’ve ridden 4 Seasons for years…I live in Canada road conditions can vary greatly these tires have been a solid performer.
Super useful - thank you.
My tires of choice for my commutes. Riding a road bike in forest and on gravel roads and they are absolutely a bliss!!! Since four or five years no other tire on my commute road bike.
They are working really well so far!!
Hi Fede
Best winter, or 4 seasons, tyres are in my opinion Vittoria Corsa Control TLT. I use 30 mm size and here in Oxfordshire where the quality of B road is not excellent, mostly dirty and full of debris, they grip and feel absolutely safe in corners. The resistance is really low compared to other tyres. Tubeless ready, got a punture in one year of usage, self repaired by the sealant, back home thanks to liners.
Having carbon wheels, following the motto better safe than sorry, installed Vittoria liners for road tyres. Tricky installation but they area really brilliant if you suffer a puncture.
Thanks for your videos! Enjoy cycling
Thanks for the info! I'm realising I'm chasing the impossible, puncture resistance out of a clincher 25mm tyre!
I’ve used GP5000’s through summer and Gatorskins through winter, but tbh I’m a convert to Bontrager AW3’s. Comparable puncture resistance to the Gators, but a softer more plyable ride. Keep up the good work 🎥 your humour is asciutta 👌🏼
Thank you, another Bontrager good feedback!
I've had incredibly good luck with the Bontrager AW2 over the years, but they're no longer available...damn. Extremely few flats, light, pliable, high compliance and relatively easy to get on and off my older Mavic A319 rims. I do large amounts of back-road riding here in Canada as well as asphalt. Last time I checked, the AW3 was not in stock, on a ship somewhere coming from overseas. I'll try one when available, then match it on the rear if I like it.
can you tell me the durability in km or miles of the bontrager aw3? Was it the common or hard lite version? do you prefer aw3? conti 4 season? or Conti Gatorskin?
I use the gp5000 all year. For max performance i renew my tyres on the summerbike earlier than it must be. These used tires i use on my winter bike until they are worn.
I will see how the punctures go on the 4 Seasons, if no difference I also might go back to GP5000 for the winter as well.
I was getting punctured on 4 seasons, it was cheap rim tape , a sharp edge combined with 100psi will do it , changed to conti rim tape - problem solved, definitely a good winter tyre.
If you have an alloy wheel with a machined nipple access hole it is worth filing all the sharp edges on the holes. Then with better rim tape you should be fine.
I got rid of rim tape and am using just classic ducttape, works like a charm. No more punctures from inside out
They are very durable but extremely hard to change when you get a flat with a carbon wheel
carry some grease in a ziplock bag in your saddle bag and use it at last section when mounting to wheel. Works great and no tools needed.
@@tekink8143 thank you 🙏 I never had thought of doing that ! Loaded with grease now :)
I have the same tyres on carbon rims and they are a breeze to fit/remove. Don’t need any levers to refit the tyre, just my hands.
I do still have a set of these on a spare set of wheels, but tbh rarely use them now since putting 28mm GP5000 TL on my main wheels. The spare wheels only get used if it's really windy now for the shallower rims rather than the tyres. Those tyres are great, but I think road tubeless is probably going to eventually negate the more resilient tyres as technology evolves there and things become easier to use and lighter. I don't find the wet grip on the GP 5000's is too bad, obviously taking it a bit easier on the corners. I found that since I've swapped to discs, there was no real need for "winter bike" or "winter wheels" for my personal usage. I actually sold my "winter" bike and the stuff I had foor that as just wasn't using it and bought a gravel bike (also tubeless) for pottering about in the forest tracks, which is quite fun in winter training.
I'm really loving these reviews coming from you lately, nice to see a genuine and unbiased view on everything!
Thank you so much for your feedback! I understand tubeless is growing and working, I'm still not ready yet. Maybe in the future!
These are my favorite tyres so far. I ride year round with the same tyres. I'm not a racer so I wanted a tyre that I could just leave on and forget about. I did manage to tear open the surface of my back tyre when I rode over a half broken beer bottle... I replaced it with a continental gatorskin and can't say I really like it. Yess it's durable and doesn't seem to get rocks inbeded in it but they really don't offer the grip or confidence of the 4 season when riding in the cold or wet conditions. I do think the thread looks more like a 'race' tyre.
You are right, 4 seasons grip and feedback is great and the same as the GP5000. Gatorskin gives me much less confidence in the dry or wet.
5 years of riding bike. approx. 5000km outdoors and I have only ever got 1 puncture and it was my fault. Hopped a curb at high speed and blew out the sidewall on the back tire. Tubeless is the only way to ride. Schwalbe Pro1 is best so far. Continental I don't particularly care for but they do feel faster. Trying Michelin Power this summer.
I'm sure you are right, but I still think I'm not ready for tubeless. Michelin Power look nice indeed!
Happy April 5th Federico, I was re-watching this video. I used the Conti's 5000 and 4000 for a few years and just this past fall switched over to Pirelli's tubeless...so far I am happy with them. I hear you on drivers passing you by as you attempt to fix a flat, I have even had some yell "wonderful" comments. All the best this upcoming 2022 spring/summer, audios from Albuquerque, NM
Thank you! I am resisting tubeless for now, trying to keep it simple. Not sure if I'm right though 😄
Thanks for the review, just ordered some! As my tan walled Vittoria corsa controls didn’t last long with rim brakes which caused a split in the bead which is common with tan walled tyres apparently!
👍 👍 I have to say the grip is very reassuring, especially for a winter tyre. Pity for the Vittoria, they look amazing though!
@@fede1275 good to know :) I will probably go for the black Vittoria version when they are offer again as the handing and wet/damp weather grip was great in them, and use them during the summer. Keep up the good work on your channel. Already bought those bottle cages you recommended, changed my saddle after watching your video, next thinking about another helmet as want a lower profile one!!
I've used the 4 season tires on and off for twenty years. Very good training tires in all weather conditions with decent puncture protection. These days I prefer Schwalbe Marathon Supreme slick tires on the road. In my opinion better performance and puncture resistance than the 4 season tires.
Will bear that in mind, thank you!
I had a good run with a pair. One got a puncture almost immediately so I put that down to bad luck. My next puncture was around five thousand kilometres. I got eight thousand kilometres from the front and I could have got much further. My fastest time for the Lake Taupo Cycle Challenge out of the ten times I did it I was running them
Hi Fede !!! Conti wi yet tyres are unpredictable on my wife’s bike I’ve fitted Gatorskins which I have had good commutes on myself on my own bike . On my silver Allez I’ve fitted Specialized armoured tyres in size 28 ! I love 28’s best of both worlds grip & comfort. Keep up the good work 👍🏽
👍 👍 nice one. I can't fit 28s, I understand they work especially on the commute.
Good day Fredrico , it's been a while since I have made a comment on your channel , I've been slack no fault of your great content . Anyways I agree with your assessment of the GP 5000 , the 4000 for that matter but as for the four seasons I've never had the privilege to ride them , although I have ridden several pairs of Gator skins and flatted on 2 of the 3 pairs early on in there life so now I use only GP 5000s or older 4000s NOS. that I had bought at a good left over price when the 5000s came on the seen . All I know is that Spring is in the air and we can put our cold weather kit away soon for another year , Thanks and will talk to you soon , Mark Battista
👍 👍 will see how these 4 Seasons behave and might fit the GP5000 back in Spring!
I run the Grand prix 4 seasons on my bike, I'm pulling little chunks of glass out after almost every commute and in 1.5 years or so only had o e flat, typically that was a slice that went all the way through and I decided to replace the tyre, then repair the original and keep as a backup as the tread was still very good, hopefully the new one lasts longer!
I've had lots of punctures with gatorskins I used shwalbe durrano dd I think they're called in winter and found them bullet proof. Hit a pothole so hard it completely buckled the wheel, tyre still stayed up!!
Love my 32 mm four seasons , superfast on my gravel bike, never punctured. Moved them last year onto my city beater, glass, metal and traffic everywhere and still no flats. They're a hoot .
Great! I really hope that my initial puncture was just an unfortunate event and they stay strong during the winter as yours.
same here I run mine tubeless and they work brilliant even if they are clincher
An addendum to my reply : still no flats and a lot of glass mixed with debrit on the roads here. Had a few Vectra/aramid strand threads pulling out of the tyres and burnt them off with a cigarette lighter to fix that tyre maintained issue. Also the Kevlar anti scuff mesh on one side wall delaminated by a couple of millimetres from one end but re-atatched with a drop of superglue. These tyres have had two years of abuse now and are still trucki'n strong.
@@mikedugdale281 good to hear that! I found some treads coming out, but no more punctures. I'm back on the GP5000 for the warm season.
I use them in a 32mm size. Perfecto during the fall/winter/spring riding season.
Yes, I got them on again on the Canyon for the winter. In 32mm you can almost go gravel!
@@fede1275 Indeed. Our Spring rides often take us on road, pathway, sidewalk and even grass and the increased sized of this 4 Season 32mm model does the trick!
@@mjv1967 I can't do this with the bikes I have now, might need another one!
@@fede1275 I ride a 2010 Giant TCR cross bike in 3 of 4 seasons. It can even take a 40mm WTB Nano tire. I have a winter spring wheelset with 32mm 4Seasons tires and a gravel wheelset with the 40mm Nano's. I still have some Challenge Baby Limus tires should I ever want to attempt a Cross race again.
I think the tread pattern "squirts" more water out the sides of the tires. The same principal applies to car tires. I predict that gives you the "cleaner" ride...
I see! Makes sense.
@@fede1275when you made that comment about the spray and your bike stayed cleaner ...my first thought was that the successfully optimized the tread pattern to displace the water giving you a drier contact with the tarmac. Not surprised that they grip well in the wet. Being four season tires the compound is chosen for good grip in the cold . It's the same thing in car tire technology. I would put my dedicated winter tires on my car when it got colder and well before the snow came. So much better at 40°F and raining. I've heard good things about Conti studless winter tires too. These comments came from colleagues that were using studded tires for the winter. You might want to give them a try as they probably have technology from dedicated winter tires compounds with better (meaning some grip as opposed to none) grip on ice. I would give them a try myself but my days of winter cycling are done. Could have used that winter technology for my shoes a few winters ago...slipped off a curb and came straight down on it . Yeah four decades of winter cycling and yes more than a few falls and just got up and road away. I hit the curb and instantly knew I was getting up or putting any weight on it....major surgery was going to be needed to do that. But I do have a fancy ceramic bearing and a bit of a titanium frame and hardware now. Before they could operate on the hip they had to put a rod in my lower feamer to pull the acetabulem buried in the pelvis out of the socket so they could reconstruct everything...they made a instruction tutorial of the whole process for other surgeons to learn from it. Fortunately I already knew were some good orthopedic surgeons were and went straight to the ER there.
@@stevengagnon4777 I believe the 4 Seasons are a very specific winter race tyre. The grip is excellent, maybe as you said because of the patterns as well as the compound. The durability is not great and I decided to ride the GP5000 all year around for the road bikes. On the winter bike I am now trying the Pirelli P Zero Race Classic.
@@fede1275 I lived in the snow belt. We all used those Nokian Haktapaca studded tires in the winter for decades. They really made a difference especially after the snow got packed down and turned to ice. Even though most of the roads would be clear the were always places that would still be icy. Those tires certainly were slow and heavy but they lasted fir nearly a decade of use on our purposely equipped winter bikes. Mine was a steel Raleigh C50 that I altered the geometry(chopped the stays and a bit shorter fork and rake) and used as cyclocross bike. Ran cyclocross tubulars on it until winter. Although I really used it as a commuter that could go anywhere, having the sloping top tube was nice for dismounting. That was a little more than three decades ago and still have that bike . A tad heavy but rides so nice so I never replaced it.
I really love your video’s 👍🏾. At the moment I’m using my cyclocross bike for the winter and I use the Vittoria Rubino Pro tyres and they are amazing! Cheap and reliable and no punctures and I’ve been using them since September 👍🏾
Thank you!! Another good feedback from the Rubino Pro, might consider them in the future!
I also had a good experience with the Rubinos.
I also use Vittoria Rubino pro and love them.
Rider from Montreal, Canada here. I've used Rubino Pros for 2 seasons in the spring and fall months when the road conditions are poor. When kept inflated correctly they have been excellent.
Don't get the zaffiro pro by accident like blocks of wood lol.
For several years now in Winter I have used Spesh Armadillo non-folding 25mm. It is a tyre for winter and crappy road surfaces like the moon. I wouldn't go for a pb on a go-kart track with them, you get the gist.
Yes, I considered them when I got the Gatorskins for the Merida, somehow the Continental were in stock. With these ones I'm trying something that is still performance oriented.
Before I watch,I’m commuting on these tyres,I’ve done six months 8 mile a day and they are as new,they look like the day I bought them,really fast,grippy TOP CLASS
You can watch it, you will not be disappointed 😄
@@fede1275 great video
Four season works for many years except the sidewall that keeps peeling in long term use. Overall very good.
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i got a cut and puncture in the first week using GP4000. the tire has grooves that are deep enough that can pick up debris and eventually cut the tire tire. i prefer michelin Pro4
That's a pity, glad to hear Michelins are good
I’ve been using the Pro4’s and love them. A great tyre.
I have GP4000 SII never got a puncher and went off Road with them etc
@@ButtonsDefault good, but are they discontinued, right?
@@fede1275 correct GP5000 are the latest one. I am going to buy the 4seasons 28mm hope they’re good
Gp5000 and vittoria corsa control both 28 for winter. Gp5000 25 for summer. Tried the best rolling Vitoria Corsa speed 25 for summer but there are very prone to puncture so I stick with gp5000 25 and very happy with the performance like you stated. For winter same performance tire with larger volume and less pressure solves the problem imho.
Can't fit 28s, but I understand for the winter are very useful!
I just bought a gravel for work and winter .so comfortable to ride .only my road bike for the nice days .for sure its quiker lol. Cheers .ohh conti ultrasport 3 not to bad id say 🍺🚲🍺
I just tried a gravel bike, video coming soon!
@@fede1275 id say the reason i bought s gravel bike is winter commuting.i love it . Rainy days I have fenders.still need to find the ultimate rain gear lol 🤔🤔🙏🚲🍺
I have gp5000 on one bike and 4 season on the other. They are both good as tyres.
When you mention looks though, I don’t care about the tread on the 4 seasons but I find that brown line on the wall of the tyre to be very ugly. Next time I’ll make sure to get the fully black ones!
Didn't know you can get different type of 4 Seasons!
I have had road on them quite a bit they are ok, roads r pretty bad up here in up state NY. I am also a bigger guy 190lbs-200lbs and i do get puctures and pinch flats with them. Best training and commuting tires hands down, are the specialize turbo gripton and Roeboux. think they have a couple more that r very good also. I bike about 3,000 miles a yr
I'm 190 lbs myself 😄. Last year I clocked more than 6000 Miles, at the end of the day not so many punctures in proportion, but when it happens it's so annoying!
@@fede1275 Nice... Good Channel Federico. Winter are very harsh in upstate NY not much cycling in the winter. I do a lot of cross country skiing, little jogging and weights in the winter time.
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I'm working on some Pirelli Road 26mm tires right now. Continental's don't provide as much grip as I like and haven't used them since way before the 4000 series went out. The 5000 series is just too pricey too.
Really? I never had a reason to doubt GP5000 and 4 Seasons grip. I agree that it's difficult to find a good price for the 4 seasons, but the GP5000 is easily sourced at a good price?
When I was commuting Maxxis Refuse were bulletproof, I would NEVER get punctures, and they lasted a long time. Then I changed to GP5000 the non tubeless version and I rarely get a puncture, but they roll a lot smoother. I don’t know if the Maxxis tyres are still good, it has been a while, for me the GP5000 get the balance right.
Yes, I still love the 5000, I am trying the 4 Seasons as lately I had a few more punctures and I was wondering if winter tyres could work better. Will see.
@@fede1275 Another good video, I wanted to share which tyre I’ve used that had the best puncture protection. I used to commute a lot and understand how frustrating punctures are. But I haven’t used the Maxxis tyres for years, so don’t know if they are still bullet proof.
Thank you for your video. What pressures are you running? Continental recommend 85 psi for the 32 mm. this seems very high!
Thank you, I'm using 25c at around 100psi, I'm 87Kg as well. I don't check them every day, when I pump them up again are around 87psi
Again, totally pertinent to my situation.
New emonda sl6, deciding whether to place seasons or 5000 on my new road bike. Currently have 32mm 4 seasons on my 2022 trek fx 2 ( I love the tires on that bike) but not sure about giving up speed. I want SPEED! What’s the real difference between the two in speed Fede? Marginal?
Maybe it's all in my head, but when I put the GP5000 back for the summer, they felt slightly faster. Don't have any real data. I'll switch back to the 4 seasons for the winter as the grip and feedback is great.
@@fede1275 thanks Fede. I went the the 5000’s and I’m glad I did. Now I just need to determine if I need a slightly shorter stem. As you mentioned in another video, perhaps it’s me just getting used to an Emonda racing bike. Prior to this bike, I was riding endurance road bikes. I just feel a little too much weight in my hands, so we will see.
@@davemazur2062 yes, it's good to play around with the position. I found it very useful to see how you ride from the outside. Maybe ask a friend to film you to check if you would need to make any changes. It's much easier to assess it that way.
Did you have some punctures on the 4 seasons or are they resistant enough? How would you compare now to the gp5000 ? Thanks
To me the 4 Seasons are only marginally better than the GP5000 for punctures. They are actually a very high performance tyre with optimum grip in colder temperature, not something that will give you lower wear and great puncture resistance. I now use GP5000 all year around.
Hello, I ride the 4 seasons, too. I changed this year from 25 th to 28th. Can I use 25 th tubes for them or must I buy bigger tubes? Thank you for your help 👍
Best to check the tubes you are using, they might work but some are labelled up to 25 an some over 25, Continental I believe, while Specialized up to 28.
@@fede1275 thank you. I just found the maxxis tubes, they seem to work from 23 to 32 and the Conti race 28 wide. They seem to work, too.. maybe you can check them and tell me your opinion?
@@frankabels5761 with Continental check the label on the case as they call Race 28 the model of the inner tube and have 20-25 width and 25-32. So you want the second one.
@@fede1275 OK thank you. On the Conti race wide are the Labels 25-622>32-630 and 700x25C>700x32C
So they will work, right?
And on the maxxis the label ist 700x23/32C and 23/32-622. So they must work, too?
Replacing my Vittoria N.ext with 4 seasons tomorrow.
What kind of front light are you using?
It is an Exposure Trace Mk2, very small and powerful
How do they compare on stated vs measured with please? They'd need to measure 28mm wide to be able to use them with my mudguards.
My GP5000 28s measure 28mm on the rim (and work with mudguards), but GP classics 28 measured 32mm on the rim (and don't) - with the Mavic Aksium winter wheels. ie if these measured wider I'd have to go for the 25s.
Thanks!
Unfortunately I am not sure, I have not measured them. On the same rim they felt same or maybe slightly slimmer than GP5000. I have only used the 25c version. Definitely the rim width would have the tyre changing its shape.
Great, thank you.@@fede1275
I assume these are not tubeless, in 2020 season I've six punctures but in fact it was only pinch flats on my tubed contis, so in 2021 season I went for tubeless hutchinsons, impossible to pinch flat, I love them, super light, fast and very grippy, but very thin, so in fall of last year I swaped it for Pirelli cinturato, actualy my winter tires, extremly durable and also tubeless 👍
Yes, I'm on normal clincher tyres. I am keeping it simple for now, who knows in the future.
Are they still produce this tyre? I've avoiding to buy this tyre because of the production date. I'm using Pirelli P7 Sport 32mm and I'm very happy with the wet conditions. A little bit heavy but puncture protection is good.
Not sure! I'm now back to riding GP5000 all year round. Yes the 4 Seasons are better in the winter, but the durability is similar as it's still a performance tyre and I might as well stick with the 5000.
@@_slowpokewill do the same! Pity I have Gatorskins on my bad weather bike, they are very durable, but not good on the wet. Will never wear them out
Fed now you've had them on a good few months how are you finding them good wearing any flat's grip good?
I had a great run last winter, only had an initial puncture. However this winter I kept the GP5000 on the Canyon as I wanted to compare the new Velobuild with the Goodyear F1. Wear was great, maybe 50% better than GP5000, very good confidence and they seem almost as fast.
@@fede1275 great thanks Fed 👍
Vittoria Corsa Control tubulars for winter!
can you tell me the durability in km or miles of the bontrager aw3? Was it the common or hard lite version? do you prefer aw3? conti 4 season? or Conti Gatorskin?
Haven't tried the Bontrager yet. The Gatorskin are very hard wearing, but the grip is not the best. I have had them for 2 years and 6000 Km on the Merida. Conti 4 seasons are great for grip and confidence, but the longevity is a bit better than the GP5000, but not by a great deal.
@@fede1275 where the roads are a little dirty, which causes punctures.
I've been using Bontrager R3 on my Emonda, but the durability is only 3500km on average, and they are good for rolling only in the first 1000 km. I only had 2 holes in two sets of tires and 7500 km.
The GP 5000 I used on other bikes I had are fantastic, but cut the side easily.
I ride an average of 2,000 km a month, so I'm looking for a tire with durability and a bit of quality.
thank you very much for your attention
Bontrager R3's 28mm set up tubeless.
Hi I've read you can run Continental grand prix 5000 tubeless they say the tires will hold up with out sealant.can run with out sealant? And I know air will deflate next day like my tubulars .
I'm not sure, I guess sealant is there to fix small punctures, you need it there if you want to run tubeless.
@@fede1275 thanks for your help appreciate it
I miss the GPs. made the switch to Pirelli Velos and they are truly horrible. Never had so many punctures 😡
Ouch, not good. I apologise on behalf of my fellow countrymen!
Let them laugh. They are just one nail in the road away from a roadside wheel change into that spare “donut” wheel. An entire day spent on wasted time waiting for the mechanics to change your tire and charging you out the wazoo for a job that took 15 minutes. Granted the professionals do have the equipment to make that job that fast so I guess you couldn’t exactly complain. Rambling about it at this moment lol
Too expensive!
I found them on sale!