@Hussein Abbas I have done my research the word means to strike, many muslims know this but still try to play it off. How exactly does one STRIKE lightly? surely it would be a smack then? or maybe a tap? either way why are you permitted to hit your woman in any way bro. Our God says turn the other cheek and do NO harm to anyone lest the same be done to you. Whats the verse where Paul says that. Most of his writings are taken out of context because they were written for a specific group of people for specific reasons.
@@AMKmusic96 1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence Your "god", never said he was god. You don't have a single verse saying he is. Deuteronomy 22 vs13-22 13 If a man takes a wife and, after sleeping with her, dislikes her 14 and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, “I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,”...20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you. Yup, you have to say this is from god also... since Jesus christ is god and he sent the word of god, that means he ordered to stone women. now what? Did you learn enough about your religion first to try and show your disgusting prejudice against islam? While being a hypocrite? What narrative are you going to sell me now? Take the advice of your bible, don't try to teach us.
@@edpearl5332 Aright here we go your ready? Gonna be a long post First off ill start with saying I have love for the muslim people, its the books and the teachings I and many are concerned with and are raising questions about. Just like how people as yourself have concern over biblical teachings, but thats why we research and study the context to receive the truth of the words. 1. They (women) may teach in private, in their own houses and families; they are to be teachers of good things, Titus 2:3. They are to bring up their children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord; nor is the law or doctrine of a mother to be forsaken, any more than the instruction of a father; Proverbs 1:8, 31:1-4. Also know that these were laws that were present in that region in that time period, specifically in Rome. This also is specific to being a church leader. It is the duty of the man to lead a church and public services of instruction. Informing you of other teachings and literature over an app is not “going against” this verse. Out of love I am instructing you to certain knowledge. Which God is very much okay with and in-fact encourages us to help out fellow brothers and sisters to understand His word. 2. Deuteronomy 22: This is focused on adultery. And yet again more ancient laws of Syria that were prominent in that time. Now to point you to John 8 where this law is addressed directly by Jesus and how He as God feels about it: “And the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And having set her in the midst, they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. And in the Torah Mosheh commanded us that such *should be stoned. What then do You say?* And this they said, trying Him, so that they might accuse Him. But as they kept on questioning Him, He straightened up and said to them, *”He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.”* And when they heard it, being reproved by their conscience, went out one by one. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the middle. Jesus straightening up and seeing no one but the woman, said to her, *”Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Did no one condemn you?” And she said, “No one, Master.” And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you. GO AND SIN NO MORE.”* This is the main message of the New Testament teachings. Death is no longer the penalty for sin since Jesus has taken all the penalty on himself and we are to change our ways and sin no more. This woman was an adulteress but by the mercy of God her penalty was already paid for and she was forgiven. So what most don’t understand about Old Testament teachings and New. These are laws of that time period specifically for the Israelite people. The punishments were so final because our sins were so great and the only atonement was lamb sacrifice for sins, which is what Jesus became to cleanse the world so none of us will ever suffer death again. As I said in another comment Jesus specifically says to turn the other cheek as well and that is something I have never seen addressed in the Quran in regards to the smacking your wife line. By Jesus’ standards that is a false teaching and very sinful to hit your wife for any reason at all and I would assume you would agree with that. (Edit) In addition to Jesus being God: “God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM” Exodus 3:14 “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.” John 8:58 If you don’t understand that I don’t know what else to tell you…but any other questions let me know 😌🙏
@@AMKmusic96 So, your god ordered murder of women, and thousands of women died. Now you’re crying about a slap? A “light strike” to be giving a woman who’s disobeying? Disobeying also can mean “adultery” and can mean betrayal, can mean many things, don’t try to distance the meanings as separate, lmao, a frail attempt. 1 samuel 15;3 your god ordered the murder of children and infants and even the animals. Yet you’re here trying to say, your god is this kind and just person. You will justify even murder of innocent people when it comes to your belief, but a little slap is “demons religion”. You’re a hypocrite. What happened to my comment? You reported it? My comment is gone🙃🙃 I wonder why? Because its so hard to recognise nutjobs nowdays, they have whole humanity fooled with their hypocrisy and evil delusions, they come to try and portray us as evil, when we show how just their own scriptures ara, they report our comments. 0 respect from me, you’re the worst of people.
@@BurnBird1 you mustn't have read the Quran or hadiths, women are compared with donkeys and are cursed by angels if they don't have sex with their husbands when they want, along a very long list
@@BurnBird1 The Bible doesn't, unlike one of the Hadiths (a series of several books that dictate the life and times of Mohammed that dedicated Muslims are supposed to read), say it's okay to rape a non-Muslim woman (and is the Muslim woman's fault if she doesn't cover up, which is where the hajib ultimately comes from). Nor does the Bible condone buying a wife temporarily (basically letting a man "legally" cheat on his wife/wives)... or beating his wife. There's a lot the Bible doesn't allow a man to do to a woman that Islam is okay with. Read what Muhammad actually did and condoned, and realize he's the person Muslims are supposed to imitate, and you'll see the Bible and the Quaran and Hadiths (both are read together to be complete) say very different things about women and their treatment. Sure, dress modestly, but the similarities end once you see the application of it. Jesus said his kingdom was not of this world. Muhammad (I'm probably not spelling his name correctly, but that's because there are, like, 4 different names that are one letter off from it), after conquering a Jewish town, ordered the women be raped in front of the men and their families before the men were killed off. Last I checked, according to Jewish law, rapists were put to death. In the Bible, God killed King David's child and cursed his family for what he did to another man's wife and her husband. Muhammad ordered his men to do something far worse and it seems to be ignored by Muslims and condoned by Islam.
@@sleepyancient6655 if you are going to criticize a religions books , atleast be honest in your representation of that book. Islam has an entire science dedicated to weeding out false hadith from that which is legitimate. The hadith you quote did not come from the prophet peace be upon him. It's fabricated. In Islam, Christians and Jews have rights. I as a Muslim man can't just take your property. I can't rape your women. I can't steal your land. You have rights. Yes, you have hadith that make remarks about murdering Christians amd jews and such, but these are completely false hadith that the vast vast majority of Muslims do not follow. No, the prophet pbuh, did NOT order Christians to be raped in front of their families. Doing so would have violated the law of Allah as rape is NEVER condoned. You mentioned temporary marraige , you realize most Sunni Muslims view temporary marraige as something completely sinful right ? Next time, please provide your sources, so that way people who actually care about the truth can verify what your saying, and see what the actual Muslims believe about it. I feel the need to mention this. I was raised a Christian. I was raised in a post 9/11 NYC, and grew up hating Islam. Then I met a Muslim. I learned about the religion. I realized most of what I thought I know, was incorrect. Then i became muslim myself. My mom is still christian. So is the majority of my family. I love them and nothing will change that. And they love and accept me. So when I tell you that Islam doesn't condone unjust violence against people of the book, understand that comes from a personal place. As regardless of my faith, I'll never let anyone bring harm to my family. Respectfully, you obviously have talked to very little Muslims in your life.
@@sleepyancient6655 Deuteronomy says if you rape married woman inside the city and it isn't found out til later, she is put to death along side him for not screaming. If they were in a field it is assumed she screamed so only he is put to death. However, if she is unmarried and he rapes her, he owes her father fifty shekels and has to marry her (so she doesn't even get the fucking chump change) and he can't ever divorce her. The crime is against the merchandisers owner not the human herself. How does that make any more sense?
@@robert7879This isn't about women preaching in church. The guy Inspiringphilosophy is responding to claims that women aren't allowed to speak at all, which is what Inspiringphilosophy is rebuking.
*IF you have ears, HEAR! REPENT AND FOLLOW THE COMMANDMENTS AND LIVE, STUDY KJV BIBLE TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THE COMMANDMENTS (GOD AND THE WORDS OF GOD)...don't be distracted nor deceived!....neither religion, nor rosaries, nor sports, nor wealth, nor earthly achievements, nor Vaccinations, nor any tradition can save you!
God can’t grow weary Isaiah 40:28 Jesus grew weary John 4:6 =Jesus (peace be upon him) is not God God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Numbers 23:19 Rabbi abbahu (3rd century) said this means that whoever says “I am God” is a liar. The bible says Jesus is not GOD!!! For I am God,not a man (Hosea 11:9), Jesus died 1 Corinthians 15 3-4 God cannot die 1 Timothy 117 =Jesus(peace be upon him)is not God
@Lex Bright Raven Christians don't kill you if u don't follow the rules. Muslims have concepts for when and how to kill woman. Concepts that don't even exist in Christianity.
@@raulitochillinintexas1637 nah a beard makes you an expert on all subjects the beard is the source of all knowledge and it is by stroking it that your request a part of that knowledge be sheared with you
@@Goyim-phobic No, Christianity nowadays (except Ethiopic and Arabic denom.) is just the logical conclusion of what Christianity was during medieval Europe. If you really want something interesting, look back to the original few forms of Christianity, when it was a hyper apocalyptic sect of Judaism around 50-250 AD. There were likely about 7-9 sects of Christianity at that point and one prevailed. Ethiopic Christianity and Arabic Christianity are kind of similar to two of the original sects since they were the ones that stayed in Asia/Africa and didn’t migrate into Europe.
The problem is that many Christians take what the Bible says at face value and take it literally. Then there's also the fact that it's open to interpretation because if it wasn't, there wouldn't be over 40,000 denominations of believers thinking there interpretation is the correct one. Just knowing it has too many interpretations alone should show that it isn't perfect, let alone inspired by a real god in my opinion.
If the one who asked was a christian, then the relative definition of "too many" might be questioned if his bible turned out to have as many. The question is useless anyway, a holy book can be true regardless of the number of rules it dictates.
@@youcefnafa2267 But then the adequate reaction would have been to compare the *amount* of rules found in the bible and in the quran. Just randomly picking a few rules is not that.
@@welcometolife4237 Except thats not what the original text of their book says and so like everything else they arent just wrong but deceived by their teachers
I always cover my head in church. Many times I wear my vail in times of prayer as well. I go to Assyrian Orthodox church however, women all wear a vail or head covering. We speak in church, but we do not speak for the church as God has given the men that authority who deem fit to be able to speak on behalf of the church.
*IF you have ears, HEAR! REPENT AND FOLLOW THE COMMANDMENTS AND LIVE, STUDY KJV BIBLE TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THE COMMANDMENTS (GOD AND THE WORDS OF GOD)...don't be distracted nor deceived!....neither religion, nor rosaries, nor sports, nor wealth, nor earthly achievements, nor Vaccinations, nor any tradition can save you!
God can’t grow weary Isaiah 40:28 Jesus grew weary John 4:6 =Jesus (peace be upon him) is not God God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Numbers 23:19 Rabbi abbahu (3rd century) said this means that whoever says “I am God” is a liar. The bible says Jesus is not GOD!!! For I am God,not a man (Hosea 11:9), Jesus died 1 Corinthians 15 3-4 God cannot die 1 Timothy 117 =Jesus(peace be upon him)is not God
@@CordobaGeneral1234 Have you heard of a guy named,"Christian Prince"? He proves what you're talking about wrong with your own Quran and Hadiths!! Laughed my ass off watching it!!🤣😂
Oh yeah and what about the churches and priests responsible for abuse and violence against children what do you think about the paedophiles your churches have ?
@@zyzz4786 we don’t stand with them. we call them out. We rebuke them. Kick them out. Report them. Don’t you know that there are wolves in sheep’s clothing? Not everyone that calls themselves Christians are. Bible says you’ll know them by their fruits (their true colors; Matthew 7:15-20) and that judgment begins at the house of God (aka the church; 1 Peter 4:17). God says that Vengeance is His and He will repay (Romans 12:19) It may seem like they get a pass, but trust and believe they don’t, not in God’s eyes who sees everything. If they don’t repent, they will be judged when they die and be sent to hell. Point blank period. Crazy enough, Jesus died for them too, and is giving them a chance to repent and change their ways and ask for forgiveness even if it’s undeserving. That’s the difference. It’s up to them to choose. 🤷🏽♀️
Lmao i'm tired of explaining this thing 😂 just read the Quran yourself with its translation but wait i know you won't because of your EGO May you find the truth
@@irsyadamir4166taqiya carries Islam, what god needs you to lie for him? Also read this Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar: I asked `Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. " حَدَّثَنَا قُتَيْبَةُ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا يَزِيدُ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا عَمْرٌو، عَنْ سُلَيْمَانَ، قَالَ سَمِعْتُ عَائِشَةَ، ح وَحَدَّثَنَا مُسَدَّدٌ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْد الوَاحِدِ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا عَمْرُو بْنُ مَيْمُونٍ، عَنْ سُلَيْمَانَ بْنِ يَسَارٍ، قَالَ سَأَلْتُ عَائِشَةَ عَنِ الْمَنِيِّ، يُصِيبُ الثَّوْبَ فَقَالَت كُنْتُ أَغْسِلُهُ مِنْ ثَوْبِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم، فَيَخْرُجُ إِلَى الصَّلاَةِ وَأَثَرُ الْغَسْلِ فِي ثَوْبِهِ بُقَعُ الْمَاءِ. Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 230 In-book reference : Book 4, Hadith 96
*IF you have ears, HEAR! REPENT AND FOLLOW THE COMMANDMENTS AND LIVE, STUDY KJV BIBLE TO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THE COMMANDMENTS (GOD AND THE WORDS OF GOD)...don't be distracted nor deceived!....neither religion, nor rosaries, nor sports, nor wealth, nor earthly achievements, nor Vaccinations, nor any tradition can save you!
God can’t grow weary Isaiah 40:28 Jesus grew weary John 4:6 =Jesus (peace be upon him) is not God God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Numbers 23:19 Rabbi abbahu (3rd century) said this means that whoever says “I am God” is a liar. The bible says Jesus is not GOD!!! For I am God,not a man (Hosea 11:9), Jesus died 1 Corinthians 15 3-4 God cannot die 1 Timothy 117 =Jesus(peace be upon him)is not God
@@CordobaGeneral1234 That is because Jesus was incarnated into a physical body - God the Father was never incarnated. Jesus‘ Body could grow weary and die. It could also resurrect.
It was very popular in Jewish culture if you were a rabbi to answer a question with another question. It's an effective way to teach, Paul does it a good bit in many of his teachings. Spot on as usual IP!
@@InitialPC Or you can go speak round and round but never answer the queston This is the best tectics of Muslims! Or sometimes they will divert the subject Correct?
@@childofgod4862 Answering a question with a question does not mean you didn't give an answer or divert it, with that logic Jesus had muslim tactics because He frequently answered questions with another question.
@@InitialPC I agree with you about my Lord Jesus but I was talking about the Muslims who do not answer the question, asked by a Christian person Secondly they jump on the Bible to make is comparison what we asked Thirdly, They do not have truth and they deceive people by their lies Forthly, they do not know their own Quran. fifthly, they have double standards
I think it’s also important to remember that each letter Paul wrote was to a specific community with a different culture and society and their own problems.
God said what I say unto one. I say unto all! Women cannot have authority over man! Adam was created first then Eve. Eve was deceived by satan. God’s order: God-man-woman-child. This guy is giving you false information. Also women ARE suppose to have their heads covered in church. Why do you think Nuns do it? It’s not a fashion statement trust me. Study to show thy self approved. The Muslim man didn’t pop up talking false. He actually studied the Bible and made sure he knew what he was talking about and delivered on the part about women remaining silent and having their heads covered. This Muslim man is making the Christians in the comments like dumb. Christians do better! Pray and ask God for clarity and stop believing what everyone is telling you and open up that bible and study it, because this is ridiculous.
Might i point out......at least the ladies were “permitted “to be in the teaching areas. Unlike in Islam where women are required to sit separated from their husbands.
@@irsyadamir4166 Muslims make lies about Christianity and Christians all the time, calling us polytheists, that the Trinity is the Father, Son and Mary. Spoiler alert, that is NOT the biblical Christian Trinity. Don't dish it out if you can't take it.
IP, thank you for these quick easy response videos! They are more convenient to send to people rather than 10 minute videos that explain these, I know they're a bit of a pain for you, but it is really useful to the rest of us! Please keep doing these, you do the work that others don't wanna do.
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Also look at how Paul uses "silence" every other time he uses it. He always means to stop people who are quarreling or debating. He can't tell women that they should cover their hair while speaking in church and should also be silent! :)
A co-worker is usually someone who supports God's Work financially, not a minister or evangelist. A great example of this is Luk. 8:2-3 where Jesus' co-workers are mentioned. These women financially supported Christ's ministry, and no one ever confuses them for being a minister or evangelist.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 if you go to the original Greek the word was diakonos which literally translated to English means Deacon. Phoebe was a Deacon for the Church.
The corinth women would talk during teaching times. He was saying they should wait until they get home so they were not interrupting. And let’s face it ladies, some of us can be VERY outspoken at the wrong times. Sometimes we just need to be patient and the answer to our questions are answered along the way.
I'm not so sure about your interpretation. You site 1 Corinthians 11:5 as Paul permitting women to speak, but it doesn't logically follow. The context really just reaffirms the position of the other passage as it's clearly talking about a man having the "head" of Christ and a woman having the man as her head. 1 Timothy 2 completely demolishes your argument also. Realistically, you approach being apologetic about this topic because you're ultimately very liberal in your world view. None of these passages would have had to be defended at any time in the first 1800 or so years of Christianity. You're catering to the world.
It seems clear enough to me that 1 Cor 11:5 implies a woman can speak in church. Otherwise, how exactly is a woman supposed to prophesy without speaking? Mime, perhaps? :-)
@@MightyFerg1 Can you only prophecy while in a church building? The idea of "teaching" is what's really being discussed here, as the one who has authority in the synagogue/temple/church is the one who recited and/or sermonized on the Word.
@@davidstrelec2000 What is even your point? I said nothing of women having zero authority, nice strawman. I was using that to argue what Paul's ultimate position was.
As a Christian I really dislike when other Christians do this while argumenting something. Idk why is so hard to people to understand that the Bible is not a collection of individual and self significant, intemporal quotes but a collection of books written by people in a time with a context for a reason. And therefore, it's important to know the context.
While you dislike your fellow christians defend the bible, moslems agitators/extremists are desecrating the christian faith and you don’t wanna do anything.. evil triumph because “good” men do nothing.. smh did I say that right?
Quran 4:34 "Men are in charge of women by what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in absence what Allah would have them guard. But those from whom you fear arrogance - advise them; forsake them in bed; and strike them. But if they obey you seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."
@@BurnBird1 from that verse to "beat your wife into obedience" is a long way. Also, that talks about authority in church, not outside the church, because if you read the book of Acts, you'll see that those who help Apollos with doctrine are a woman (Priscilla) and a man (Aquila) (Acts 18:26)
This reminds me of the video of that imam telling Muslim husbands that beating their wife is okay as long as they hit her below the neck. I nearly fell out. 😂
@@frumpusnumpus abuse is horrible no matter 1 is muslim or Christian even islam belives every human is made in gods image. Not literally but metaphorically
Do you have a video going more in depth on this? I'll admit that being raised southern baptist may have colored my understanding of this passage and I want to understand what you're saying more.
I love how the current common interpretation of Christianity is night and day from what it was understood as 500, even 200 years ago. Whereas the Qur'an has been unchanged and is consistent throughout history. There are already people using the Bible to advocate for lgbt and abortion. They say sodom and gamora was only a "historical account" and not to be followed, just like what you're saying. If everything is a historical account and nothing is to be taken literally then what's the point.
@@wowulam7411 Oooh so now Islam is this progressive religion huh, according to you who say that a lot of muslims are progressive. So you can criticize Islam for killing gays, and at the same time mock it because some are trying to make it progressive. Nice
Btw this is exactly what the guy in the video is doing, he attempts to disregard his Scriptures to mock islam, which is honestly bad for Christians. It's like saying "Ha! You muzzies have all authority over your women, your women are submissive!" That's kind of a self-own
Haahhaahah what consistency? What unchanged? Have you forgotten all those Hadiths and introductions of Haram and Halal laws? The 73 sects Muhammad speaks of? Where is the 1400 years of strict stable clarity, it's the most confused religion of all.
Also I’ve been taught Paul was referring to the fact that when there was a sermon going on since at that time women sat on different sides then the men women would try to whisper to there husband asking questions so Paul was saying just wait until you have a moment where u can talk❤
I’ve literally never heard that interpretation of 1 Cor 14:34-35!! 🤯It makes more grammatical sense, it totally explains what always bothered me that I thought was discontinuity of Paul’s argument in context, explains why it says “as the Law also says” when that is not found in the Torah at all, and makes sense with Paul’s other statements about the roles of women. I’m going to have to pray about this! Thank you for sharing this!
I think Paul was referring to woman not being able to preach in front of the entire congregation, not speak at all in the church but to not preach at all where the pastor preaches
I always ask for those to then explain to me Miriam, Deborah, Esther, Priscilla, Phoebe, Anna (prophesied in the Temple in Luke 2)….all are women who spoke, judged, and prophesied. Phoebe was literally called a Deacon and for them to listen to her. Romans 16:1-2 Before you mention 1 Timothy: In context during that time Romans took many wives, he was directing this at men because men were the only ones in the Roman Empire that took more than one spouse. It is not directed at women at all because women didn’t marry more than one man.
“but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering.” 1 Corinthians 11:15 ESV Paul says a woman’s hair is her head covering
You do know Paul was giving his opinion right? Just as Andrew and Paul conflated over the issue of circumcision right? So how about you actually read the scriptures instead of assuming and guessing
People also use 1 Timothy 2 to demean woman. But it doesn’t when read in context. If we look at first Corinthians 11:5, it shows that Paul did not prohibit woman from praying or prophesying publicly; roles of teaching and authority are in view here. Paul was no sexist, but a champion of the equality of men and woman before God (Gal.3:28). Paul simply recognised that male and female equality did not require abolishing all role distinctions, which were defined by God In creation. The woman was created to be a helper for the man (Gn.2:18-25). Eve’s exercise of authority over Adam brought disaster, illustrating the dangers of upsetting the family’s divinely ordained leadership structure. Evidently, the false teachers taught that male authority in church and home and the woman’s childbearing role were curses for sin, which Jesus atoning work had eradicated (Gn3:16). But this was obviously wrong. Paul recognised that Eve’s curse involved oppressive male leadership and pain in childbearing, but male leadership and childbearing were part of Gods plan for pre-fall creation (Gn 1:27-28,2:18). Paul therefore insisted Christian wives were “saved” (restored to their pre-fall state or perhaps rescued from surrounding cultural influences like those seen in v.9) by submitting to their husbands compassionate leadership and through bearing and raising children. This is one way Ephesian women could “work out” their final salvation (Php.2:12). Hope this helps🙏🏾
Hey IP, yesterday(July 3rd) was St. Thomas Day, the day on which he was martyred. This year we're celebrating 1950th year of his martyrdom. Could you make a video on St. Thomas, the apostle?
My struggle with this is how all the church fathers always understand this to be a rule from Paul. This is the first time I hear it's a quotation from the Corinthian who wrote to Paul. A lot of commentaries try to explain this away by saying the verses are not authentic (They probably are because Tertulian quotes them against the Marcionates who were the ones altering the letters of Paul) What I don't get is that there are 2 extreme interpretations of Paul, in one he's a mysoginist and in the other one he's a progressive feminist. Which both can't be true and both are incoherent. I think what Paul means is that women should not speak over their husbands (That means, equal respect) because apparently in Corinth women were overstepping their husbands. That's why he would allow women to prophesize with veil but then tell women to ask questions to their husbands at home and not a church.
Saint Thomas Aquinas commented on this: "The women should keep silence in the churches . For they are not permitted to speak , but should be subordinate , as even the law says " ( 1 Cor 14:34 ) . The reason for this is that ruling is a function of reason ; and because men's reason is stronger
I don’t know about this one IP. Doesn’t make a ton of sense to say this is a quote that Paul is responding to. Not sure how you can read it that way? I’ve never heard this interpretation before, and as I look at the passage it just isn’t making sense that way. I’d like to believe that, it would be convenient, but I don’t this the text can be explained this way.
Read the sources in the video. Scholars accept that Paul quotes in 1 Corinthians, but there is debate over which verses. The verse about women being silent is a good candidate for being a quote based on the Greek text and the overall context of Paul's letters and the culture. You probably never heard that interpretation for the same reason I haven't, most churches don't want to bring up controversial issues.
There are reasons for this that my Grandma told me. Historically, the place of the Corinthians (not know place, sorry I’m dumb) Paul told the women to cover their heads because the women with shaved heads were prostitutes and it would be distracting for the members to look at them during sermons (or whatever they did then) so Paul wrote, “Women cover your face”. And for the speaking portion, women and men were separated in the old days during the service, but after women were excepted into the men’s services, the women would ask the men during service what the preacher (or messenger) was talking about because the women knew very little do to a segregation between men and women. Since the women kept talking and distracting the service, Paul wrote, “Women, be silent” And that’s why Paul wrote the things in his letters, good to know the historical context sometimes rather than obey blindly what some of these messages meant.
@@camila.a4366 yup. My grandma is a historian, and she has many different books that support this argument. She was particularly interested in the time of Jesus and what occurred during the Roman Empire at the time.
My pastor today was talking about these verses in the historical contents of the culture back then. You should talk more about 1st Corinthians because people like to twits the meaning of it a lot.
They especially twist it in a manner where they refuse to accept simple biblical commandments that are reflecting the nature of things created by God: that women should cover their heads during a prayer and in church and that women are not allowed to teach in the church. These simple commandments had been present in Church for centuries until some progressive pastors decided they are not to be applied anymore and that „historical context” somehow negates them. I haven’t met a single woman who would revealed that Holy Spirit convinced her to uncover her head, while I have met plenty of women who were convinced by God that this commandment applies to them and they should follow it and obey the Word. Even Paul notices that there are people who want to disregard these simple rules at that time, but he just noted that he wasn’t going to discuss it. God bless you
Hi IP, I was wondering if there was historical evidence that points to women covering their heads being considered modest fashion in Paul’s times, and having uncovered heads was immodest. Basically I’m just asking if we know that was really a cultural standard or if God really wants women to cover their heads.
It was the symbol of marriage. Having your hair uncovered was like saying you were throwing out your husband. Probably because there are no married people in heaven, some people were getting goofy in church. Maidens did NOT cover their hair.
Here’s what the final analysis on Roman culture for women’s head covering says (roughly). The highlighted bits are bolded here. “Because most Christians gathered in the wealthier homes, Christians of different social strata and backgrounds met together; "naked" hair held different social connotations for different women. *To wealthier women, it signified at most ostentation; to most women from the east, it symbolized immodesty and, at worse, seduction.* As in the case of some other issues (e.g., 1:21), *Paul must here address a clash of social values* just as to many idol food connoted idolatry hence should be avoided for others' sake, so uncovered hair to many connoted seduction and immodesty, hence should be avoided for others' sake. *A modern Western equivalent might be someone walking into a religious service in a bathing suit;* although this might not disturb some California beach churches during the Jesus movement, newcomers with such informal attire might disrupt traditional churches in, say, New England.” “In a series of interlocking arguments, Paul contends that by keeping her physical head uncovered, the wife also dishonors her figurative head, that is, her husband (11:3-§). (Both orators and rabbis often argued from plays on words.) Although some argue plausibly that "head" figuratively functions as "source" or "first part" (see 11:8-9, which may suggest the creation order in 11:3; also 8:6), ancient literature also applies it often to "authority" or to the " most honored for prominent] part.' Both "authority" and "honored part" fit Paul's Christology (13) as well as the normal structure of the household in Paul's environment (which he assumes, like most arguments in this passage, to argue for head coverings rather than to defend for its own sake),! "Honored part" also would relate well to the contextual issue ofa wife shaming her husband, Given the shame (often sexual) inherent in uncovered hair in the east (see A Closer Look, earlier), the wife speaking without this covering shames her husband (1:4-6). (Her behavior reflects on him because he is her "head 1:3, and they are "one flesh," cf. 616.) *Paul employs reductio ad absurdum. If a woman wants her head completely uncovered, she should shave it entirely...*”
You critiqued my religion so let's critique another one to make mine look better instead of giving an explanation or reasoning as a response. This is why I left Islam, never a good explanation because there is none, Lord Jesus is the only way.
Part of this is that Islam, which primarily spread by the sword, never really developed an intellectual tradition of using rhetoric and logic to meet people where they were at in order to convert them. Even from the beginning, when Mohammad was rejected as a prophet by the Jews (a prophet of God would not come from outside of Israel) and the Christians (Christ said "it is finished" meaning He was the last prophet), Mohammad, instead of trying to explain why he would be the exceptions to these Jewish and Christian claims, declared that the Jews and Christians had edited their sacred texts to omit the truth -- figures like Abraham, Moses, and Jesus were ALSO devout Muslims. Not at all a compelling argument, but I suppose many might come to accept it anyway, when faced with threats of death and conquest!
@@LaserFace23 he didn't claim that the Bible was corrupted, that's what Muslims say, he instead only said that the Christians are to judge by the Gospel and Jews by the Torah, otherwise they are rebellious. There is even a hadith where Mohammed bows down before the Torah
@@TandemSix and later he killed the jews of Medinah who did not submit, and he was poisoned by a Jewish woman whose family he killed. He got what he deserved, false prophet that I will never again bow down to. Heaven forgive me for uttering his name
Like when he told missionaries to refrain from marrying while serving abroad.. Answering a question from missionaries about whether they were allowed to marry while serving. Some Churches took this question and applied it to everyone who wants to serve... And made it a rule for life
I didn't see Paul's response in the next verses and I don't think you did either because you didn't quote them. I'm guessing this is an instance of dishonesty on your behalf but I'm open to being proven wrong.
Yep L looked it up also and found the flow of the chapter inconclusive. Note to IP" I Would like Pauls position explained more clearly and back it up with other commentaries please it would be appreciated
Well Phoebe, Priscilla, and Junia are often cited as examples of women who played significant roles in the early Christian church, and some interpret their roles as church leaders or influential figures. 1. Phoebe: Phoebe is mentioned in the New Testament in Romans 16:1-2. Paul refers to her as a "deacon" or "servant" of the church in Cenchreae and commends her to the Romans, meaning that she held a position of responsibility and leadership in the early Christian community. 2. Priscilla (Prisca): Priscilla is mentioned in several New Testament passages, often alongside her husband Aquila. They are described as Christian missionaries who worked closely with Paul. In Acts 18, Priscilla is mentioned as teaching Apollos about the way of the Lord. This indicates her involvement in teaching and leadership within the Christian community. 3. Junia: Junia is mentioned in Romans 16:7 as "outstanding among the apostles." While the interpretation of this passage varies, many scholars argue that it suggests Junia held a prominent and authoritative position among the apostles, which could indicate significant leadership within the early church. These women are seen as examples of early female leaders and teachers in the Christian community. Their roles are subjects of discussion and interpretation within Christian theology and scholarship, with some using their examples to argue for greater inclusion of women in church leadership, while others hold more conservative views on gender roles within the church.
The first retort really clarified this for me. The second retort I think is a specific ask for respect in the church, no different to how one should venerate the body of Christ. Both can happen, but both should be avoided by good people of God, ergo, why Paul writes of this issue.
Don't take religious instruction from TH-cam shorts or you will get bad interpretations. Instead: 2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
I have a question.. What about 1st Timothy 2: 11,12 which says: Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. ¹² But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.". Doesn't this state women are to be silent in teaching/preaching and in the Church? I'm confused about it
Im new in my walk in Christianity, and I just read that verse yesterday, and it has been weighing on my heart. It didn’t make sense to me because it contradicted something Paul said directly, and also wouldn’t make sense to the sake of edifying the church. I was praying for clarity for this because it really hurt me, this video pops up for me today.
If you read the scriptures he provided, none of them say women are allowed to speak IN CHURCH! Any time you have a person that uses logic and philosophy teaching the Word of God, you’re going to be listening to a liar. 🤷🏾♂️ He clearly has found a lane to fill and is not trying to win souls for Christ.
1 Timothy 2: In context it says in reference to Adam and Eve (the husband and wife). A man is to lead and teach the wife. Hence why he mentions, entirely submissive. I am submitted to God then to my Husband. I am not submissive to all men just because they are men. God is no respecter of persons.
Amen 🙏 Many many people are lost in scripture today 💖especially this guy and all Muslims - All religions that teach and preach outside the gospel of Jesus 🔥 are Blinded to Gods truth -
The bible quite literally CAN NOT be the word of god because there have been CHANGES made to it by HUMANS who NEVER MET JESUS so how can you believe in such a religion that follows a book that can’t possibly be the word of god. There are hundreds different types of bible that say different things yet every Quran on earth has the exact same words written. This is how we know it could not have changed.
I'm an atheist and I'm perfectly willing to point out some dumb stuff in the bible, but Paul was one of the best for quoting stuff and then responding and also owning and taking responsibility for what he thinks and believes.
A woman with a shaved head looks like a man and that breaks God's Law. Men are not to dress like women and women are not to dress like men. "A woman must not wear men’s clothing, and a man must not wear women’s clothing, for whoever does these things is detestable to the LORD your God." Deuteronomy 22:5
@@abigaillemonade1497i mean that’s clearly an exception and it’s understandable. Medical reasons are another thing and dressing up purposely as a man is a different thing. Intentions of the heart and the context of the situation makes a major difference.
The quotation idea mentioned regarding 1 Corinthians 14:33-35 is a fringe hypothesis from my reading. By my understanding, it looks like even egalitarian scholars are split on this one. I don't think it's a good response, especially since there is a cloud of cultural mist shrouding the interpretation of this passage. I think pointing out examples of female teachers (see Apollos, Priscilla, and Acquilla) in the New Testament and taking the context clues about the church in Corinth facing unique problems in the congregation would do a lot better job.
Not to mention the verse in Corinthians is in reference to a group of women who were not Christian but would come to the teachings and be disruptive constantly stopping the lessons to ask questions and interrupting the teachings so that no message could be shared He was specifically calling out their conduct and saying that if they were truly women of god they would be open to listening and receiving enlightenment rather than being a disruption to those who where trying to listen.
Wow. Your bible is sexist/misogynistic. Then again, it's another MAN-made religon.You are corrupt people. You're not going to get anywhere with that evil line of thinking. Do better!
They can teach over men. The prophetesses of the old testament such as Miriam and Huldah taught over men and in the new testament Mary Magdalene was a woman and she taught over men as she is considered the apostle to the apostles, she was one of the first three witnesses to the resurrection and it was her that told the good news to the apostles. The only things women can't do are priestly functions such as communion and receiving confessions because these are to be done by persons who should symbolize the new Adam thus men.
@@mark20102012 She didn't teach anyone she was the apostle to them because of being the first chosen by God. Of women taught men we would have a country that accepts homosexuals and abortions.....oh wait!
You people are extremely misogynistic. It's incredible. You are unevolved as a person. You need to change your line of thinking. Men and women are different but not limited to what they can do such as speaking and teaching each other. Don't be a misogynist okay? Do better please!
Once again, I'm grateful for these shorts as they are needed to counter misconceptions that sadly get spread around on these platforms 🙏. Also, I would hope that people who don't regularly read the Bible (and therefore don't know about the importance of contex or descriptive vs prescriptive verses etc.) are at the very least willing to do a little research about it or talk to well-studied people, instead of just looking on the surface or assuming the worst.
Well the Quran isn't even a coherent text on its own. You need the Sunnah and the Hadith. Which were written long after the lives of the living witnesses and have no claim to divine authority anyway.
hmmm. Titus 1:6 says the quality of a pastor is 'a husband of one wife'. Not 'or a wife of one husband'. Pretty sure this points to 'man only' preachers. Just a thought.
In context during the time Romans took many wives, he was directing this at men because men were the only ones in the Roman Empire that took more than one spouse. It is not directed at women at all because women didn’t marry more than one man.
So weird that Muslims began using the verse from the Pauline epistles, which isn’t actually ironic considering in the earliest day of Islam, they considered Paul (Bulus) as an honourable messenger of God.
@@tahahagar7664 Muslims hate Paul and accuse him of conspiracy Why doesn't quran mention anything about Paul at all if he was the one who corrupted the Bible, invented modern day Christianity and led astray the followers of Jesus? It would so significantly important yet the quran fails to mention anything about Paul at all
@@tahahagar7664 did you know Bulus is the same as Paulus just like Saul is the same as Paul but different translation "Bulus/Paulus the Messager of Allah"
Women should learn quietly and submissively. I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly. 1 Timothy 2:11-12 compared to what he said to the Corinthians, this one doesn't seem to be a quotation. any thoughts?
Paul is saying that the authority a man has in a marriage cannot be usurped by the role of authority by a wife in a church setting. This passage in Timothy is about the role of a man and woman in marriage more than it is about a man somehow being superior to a woman. Imagine if God leads a husband to go to a different country. Biblically the wife is to submit. She should not get up in a congregation and say, "Hey God told me to teach on NOT going to a different country" or "I am going to prophecy and God says we should not go to a different country". Do you see it? A woman is not allowed to USURP the authority given to a man in a marriage by trying to use the authority of the church, any church office or a spiritual gift. Incidentally this is more clear when looking at the context of the passage and reading from the Greek. At the very least quote it from the KJV. This translation makes it sound like Paul was an outright misogynist.
Well Phoebe, Priscilla, and Junia are often cited as examples of women who played significant roles in the early Christian church, and some interpret their roles as church leaders or influential figures. 1. Phoebe: Phoebe is mentioned in the New Testament in Romans 16:1-2. Paul refers to her as a "deacon" or "servant" of the church in Cenchreae and commends her to the Romans, suggesting that she held a position of responsibility and leadership in the early Christian community. 2. Priscilla (Prisca): Priscilla is mentioned in several New Testament passages, often alongside her husband Aquila. They are described as Christian missionaries who worked closely with Paul. In Acts 18, Priscilla is mentioned as teaching Apollos about the way of the Lord. This indicates her involvement in teaching and leadership within the Christian community. 3. Junia: Junia is mentioned in Romans 16:7 as "outstanding among the apostles." While the interpretation of this passage varies, many scholars argue that it suggests Junia held a prominent and authoritative position among the apostles, which could indicate significant leadership within the early church. These women are seen as examples of early female leaders and teachers in the Christian community. Their roles are subjects of discussion and interpretation within Christian theology and scholarship, with some using their examples to argue for greater inclusion of women in church leadership, while others hold more conservative views on gender roles within the church.
My brother in humanity, such an explanation won't convince anyone! We all know that Christianity, ever since the enlightenment, has been liberalised down to the core. Look at the dresses Christian women wear today! Had they worn such clothing 5 or 6 centuries earlier. Every pope and patriarch would've condemned their choice of attire. Even the clothes that are deemed modest, by your standards today, wouldn't be spared from their criticism. The rights that have been granted, to women in the west, are all a product of liberalism rather than Christianity.
Woman aren’t supposed to teach or speak in Churches. The Bible means what it says in this. Your not going to hell if you do, it’s just not Gods best. There is an order on how things should go. When I prayed on it, I got the idea of royalty with a king and queen. We are royalty and just as we are to submit to Jesus, our wives are to submit to us. We are also supposed to lead like Jesus and it’s not about controlling or dominating woman. As the Queen will fill in for the King in his absence, so a female can step up when there is not a male leading, but it’s not Gods best. Don’t placate to the 20th century man because the Bible doesn’t fit the worlds agenda since the feminist movement. You’re bright enough to know that. You’ll be prone to compromise which will destroy your walk, don’t cave when God says a thing he means it! Grow a pair men and don’t cave to the pressure to a Jezebel Spirit…
True, the theory that 1 Cor. 14:34-35 is a quotation-refutation device (QRD) doesn't hold because it doesn't follow the pattern of Paul's widely acknowledged quotation-refutation. Additionally, according to QRD proponents, Corinthian men proposed, “As in all the assemblies of the saints, the women should keep silent in the assemblies.” It is improbable that Corinthian men asserted that all the churches silence women since anyone who had been in other churches could refute this. Nor is it likely that Paul would abruptly begin a false command with, “As in all the churches of the saints,” since this would set up his readers to think that what follows is practiced in all the churches and so should be followed by them as well. If Paul intended to convey that v.34-35 quote his opponents, he failed, for every surviving comment on them until recent times treats them as Paul’s restriction on women’s speech.
is a woman permitted to perform the "public reading of Scripture"?? 1 Timothy 4:13 none of the recorded moments in Scripture of a public reading of Scripture were done by a woman...
@@toomanymarys7355 thank you for your response. i am currently down the "public reading of Scripture" rabbit hole and was curious if there was any early church records of women doing this.
@@ryanjennens1481 This isn't really well recorded--who exactly did what. We find out that deaconesses WERE serving at the altar when a pope banned it in the 400s. Lol. That implies that they were reading the scripture in at least certain parts of the liturgy. They may have been fully conducting the liturgy in certain circumstances, which would indeed be problematical. Deaconesses were either nuns/virgins or widows by the late 300s, btw. There seem to have been a role for nonmonastic virgins for a long while. Deaconesses were suppressed after the emphasis of the role of deacon was changed to being like a starter priest. The change for deacons took place by the 300s. Deaconesses were suppressed starting in the 600s I think in various places but not until after 1000 in other places. Phoebe read the letter that Paul sent with her. That was the role of an emissary.
@@toomanymarys7355 thank you for your time. Phoebe is a good starting point for me to study. i just bought an audio version of the New Testament that is read by a man and it got me thinking about if a woman is Biblically permitted to publicly read Scripture. Philippians 4:2&3 would be a good passage to do some research on for me.
Wow a Christian rapper on youtube chat was just going off at me about how I must obey what every man says and even if that man is woke etc I said and not speaking of God and he said yes I must respect what every man says above me cause women cannot preach or speak of God ever at all not even in church and must obey all men. Wow I was feeling very sad for months and confused thankyou!
Sometimes you should laugh such people off, why'd you let that rapper guy live in yo head rent free particularly after he's spoken nonsense. Good that you've found IP's channel though as he helps clear up misconceptions. 👍
The reason Christianity is dead is because people like you keep trying to explain away what the book says. Men have their role and women have theirs. Own it. Women are supposed to cover their heads. Paul is very explicit about that and justifies it for the rest of chapter 11. Just own it and explain why it is. Don’t try to explain it away.
You guys always reinterpret verses depending on how it suits you at the time. "The bible is the literal word of God and is historically accurate" "It has talking animals and like 3 apocalypses" "Its a parable, its not meant to be taken literally"
The Bible is the literal word of God because it literally came from Him, but anyone who is ever read an Aesop fable should know that a parable is designed to illustrate a moral principle and not to be read as if it actually happened.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 thats exactly what I'm talking about lol. But which parts are parable and literal are always changing, depending on the debate at hand.
I would also like to state that at the end of Puals talk about head coverings/hair, he does say if people are contentious, then it doesn't matter. Doesn't sound like a rule to me.
God bless you for using your talents to bring light to the misunderstandings and misuse of the scripture. That, I find, is the saddest thing of all - when people twist the words that I hold so sacred.
What about 1 Timothy 2:12-15, "I do not permit a woman to teach ..." Is that solely about teaching and not directly related to 1 Corinthians 14 about women speaking in general? Or is there another way to understand 1 Timothy 2:12-15?
For a woman, her long hair is her covering. Woman can't preach in front of the congregation or be a pastor but can preach outside the church. Back then the men and woman sat on opposite sides of the church so when the woman heard this news for the first time she'd yell over to her husband and this would distract the pastor so he told the woman to be quiet till church was over. That's it
1 Cor. 14:34 isn't a refutation passage. He literally means they're to remain silent. However, this is in the context of judging prophecy. Women are allowed to prophecy themselves, but Paul is saying that anytime a prophecy is given, it must be judged to determine its validity. This is something Paul states is to be done by men, not women. So this isn't that they're to be utterly silent, but that they are to be quiet when it comes time to judge prophecy.
Can someone please explain the verses he quoted to show that women can speak in the church because most of them don't seem to show that, or are very thin. Thanks!
Taking all the scriptures together in the Old and New Testament, I believe it is clear that men and women are spiritually equal. Complementarianism is a false teaching. At its center it supports a two-tiered priesthood based on birthright. But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood... -excerpt 1 Peter 2 Reply for my full post 'Complementarianism' if desired.
“If your woman disobeys you, strike them”
The literal Quran
@Hussein Abbas I have done my research the word means to strike, many muslims know this but still try to play it off. How exactly does one STRIKE lightly? surely it would be a smack then? or maybe a tap? either way why are you permitted to hit your woman in any way bro. Our God says turn the other cheek and do NO harm to anyone lest the same be done to you.
Whats the verse where Paul says that. Most of his writings are taken out of context because they were written for a specific group of people for specific reasons.
@@AMKmusic96 1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence
Your "god", never said he was god. You don't have a single verse saying he is.
Deuteronomy 22 vs13-22
13 If a man takes a wife and, after sleeping with her, dislikes her 14 and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, “I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,”...20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.
Yup, you have to say this is from god also... since Jesus christ is god and he sent the word of god, that means he ordered to stone women.
now what?
Did you learn enough about your religion first to try and show your disgusting prejudice against islam? While being a hypocrite? What narrative are you going to sell me now?
Take the advice of your bible, don't try to teach us.
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Aright here we go your ready? Gonna be a long post
First off ill start with saying I have love for the muslim people, its the books and the teachings I and many are concerned with and are raising questions about. Just like how people as yourself have concern over biblical teachings, but thats why we research and study the context to receive the truth of the words.
1. They (women) may teach in private, in their own houses and families; they are to be teachers of good things, Titus 2:3. They are to bring up their children in the nurture and admonition of the Lord; nor is the law or doctrine of a mother to be forsaken, any more than the instruction of a father; Proverbs 1:8, 31:1-4.
Also know that these were laws that were present in that region in that time period, specifically in Rome. This also is specific to being a church leader. It is the duty of the man to lead a church and public services of instruction. Informing you of other teachings and literature over an app is not “going against” this verse. Out of love I am instructing you to certain knowledge. Which God is very much okay with and in-fact encourages us to help out fellow brothers and sisters to understand His word.
2. Deuteronomy 22: This is focused on adultery. And yet again more ancient laws of Syria that were prominent in that time.
Now to point you to John 8 where this law is addressed directly by Jesus and how He as God feels about it:
“And the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And having set her in the midst, they said to Him, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. And in the Torah Mosheh commanded us that such *should be stoned. What then do You say?* And this they said, trying Him, so that they might accuse Him. But as they kept on questioning Him, He straightened up and said to them, *”He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.”*
And when they heard it, being reproved by their conscience, went out one by one.
And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the middle. Jesus straightening up and seeing no one but the woman, said to her, *”Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Did no one condemn you?” And she said, “No one, Master.” And Jesus said to her, “Neither do I condemn you. GO AND SIN NO MORE.”*
This is the main message of the New Testament teachings. Death is no longer the penalty for sin since Jesus has taken all the penalty on himself and we are to change our ways and sin no more. This woman was an adulteress but by the mercy of God her penalty was already paid for and she was forgiven.
So what most don’t understand about Old Testament teachings and New. These are laws of that time period specifically for the Israelite people. The punishments were so final because our sins were so great and the only atonement was lamb sacrifice for sins, which is what Jesus became to cleanse the world so none of us will ever suffer death again.
As I said in another comment Jesus specifically says to turn the other cheek as well and that is something I have never seen addressed in the Quran in regards to the smacking your wife line. By Jesus’ standards that is a false teaching and very sinful to hit your wife for any reason at all and I would assume you would agree with that.
(Edit) In addition to Jesus being God:
“God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”
Exodus 3:14
“Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
John 8:58
If you don’t understand that I don’t know what else to tell you…but any other questions let me know 😌🙏
Give me the whole verse
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So, your god ordered murder of women, and thousands of women died.
Now you’re crying about a slap? A “light strike” to be giving a woman who’s disobeying?
Disobeying also can mean “adultery” and can mean betrayal, can mean many things, don’t try to distance the meanings as separate, lmao, a frail attempt.
1 samuel 15;3 your god ordered the murder of children and infants and even the animals.
Yet you’re here trying to say, your god is this kind and just person. You will justify even murder of innocent people when it comes to your belief, but a little slap is “demons religion”.
You’re a hypocrite. What happened to my comment? You reported it? My comment is gone🙃🙃
I wonder why? Because its so hard to recognise nutjobs nowdays, they have whole humanity fooled with their hypocrisy and evil delusions, they come to try and portray us as evil, when we show how just their own scriptures ara, they report our comments.
0 respect from me, you’re the worst of people.
This guy has absolutely no business talking about the treatment of women considering what the Quran and Muhammad say about women.
The Bible and Quran have pretty similar sentiments.
@@BurnBird1 you mustn't have read the Quran or hadiths, women are compared with donkeys and are cursed by angels if they don't have sex with their husbands when they want, along a very long list
@@BurnBird1 The Bible doesn't, unlike one of the Hadiths (a series of several books that dictate the life and times of Mohammed that dedicated Muslims are supposed to read), say it's okay to rape a non-Muslim woman (and is the Muslim woman's fault if she doesn't cover up, which is where the hajib ultimately comes from).
Nor does the Bible condone buying a wife temporarily (basically letting a man "legally" cheat on his wife/wives)... or beating his wife. There's a lot the Bible doesn't allow a man to do to a woman that Islam is okay with.
Read what Muhammad actually did and condoned, and realize he's the person Muslims are supposed to imitate, and you'll see the Bible and the Quaran and Hadiths (both are read together to be complete) say very different things about women and their treatment.
Sure, dress modestly, but the similarities end once you see the application of it.
Jesus said his kingdom was not of this world. Muhammad (I'm probably not spelling his name correctly, but that's because there are, like, 4 different names that are one letter off from it), after conquering a Jewish town, ordered the women be raped in front of the men and their families before the men were killed off.
Last I checked, according to Jewish law, rapists were put to death.
In the Bible, God killed King David's child and cursed his family for what he did to another man's wife and her husband.
Muhammad ordered his men to do something far worse and it seems to be ignored by Muslims and condoned by Islam.
@@sleepyancient6655 if you are going to criticize a religions books , atleast be honest in your representation of that book. Islam has an entire science dedicated to weeding out false hadith from that which is legitimate. The hadith you quote did not come from the prophet peace be upon him. It's fabricated. In Islam, Christians and Jews have rights. I as a Muslim man can't just take your property. I can't rape your women. I can't steal your land. You have rights. Yes, you have hadith that make remarks about murdering Christians amd jews and such, but these are completely false hadith that the vast vast majority of Muslims do not follow. No, the prophet pbuh, did NOT order Christians to be raped in front of their families. Doing so would have violated the law of Allah as rape is NEVER condoned. You mentioned temporary marraige , you realize most Sunni Muslims view temporary marraige as something completely sinful right ? Next time, please provide your sources, so that way people who actually care about the truth can verify what your saying, and see what the actual Muslims believe about it.
I feel the need to mention this. I was raised a Christian. I was raised in a post 9/11 NYC, and grew up hating Islam. Then I met a Muslim. I learned about the religion. I realized most of what I thought I know, was incorrect. Then i became muslim myself. My mom is still christian. So is the majority of my family. I love them and nothing will change that. And they love and accept me. So when I tell you that Islam doesn't condone unjust violence against people of the book, understand that comes from a personal place. As regardless of my faith, I'll never let anyone bring harm to my family. Respectfully, you obviously have talked to very little Muslims in your life.
@@sleepyancient6655 Deuteronomy says if you rape married woman inside the city and it isn't found out til later, she is put to death along side him for not screaming. If they were in a field it is assumed she screamed so only he is put to death. However, if she is unmarried and he rapes her, he owes her father fifty shekels and has to marry her (so she doesn't even get the fucking chump change) and he can't ever divorce her. The crime is against the merchandisers owner not the human herself. How does that make any more sense?
I was muslim and i ran to the living arms to Jesus
I’m so happy to hear that!
@@InspiringPhilosophyyou need to stop with the false teachings. The four Bible verses you provided have nothing to do with women preaching in church
Welcome! Brother or Sister!
@@robert7879This isn't about women preaching in church. The guy Inspiringphilosophy is responding to claims that women aren't allowed to speak at all, which is what Inspiringphilosophy is rebuking.
How much rakat in wudu?
Its almost comical how this is coming from a muslim man.
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God can’t grow weary Isaiah 40:28
Jesus grew weary John 4:6
=Jesus (peace be upon him) is not God
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Numbers 23:19
Rabbi abbahu (3rd century) said this means that whoever says “I am God” is a liar.
The bible says Jesus is not GOD!!!
For I am God,not a man (Hosea 11:9),
Jesus died 1 Corinthians 15 3-4
God cannot die 1 Timothy 117
=Jesus(peace be upon him)is not God
@Lex Bright Raven Christians don't kill you if u don't follow the rules. Muslims have concepts for when and how to kill woman. Concepts that don't even exist in Christianity.
Have you read a Quran before. If not, don't speak about its teachings. Cutting off heads it's not one of them I can tell you that🙈🙈
@Lex Bright Raven The problem is Islam and Muslim is, they are lilke Goat One runs everybody behind him also runs! No brain needed there!
Sadly some people will believe him because he speaks with confidence and has a beard
Hey!
🧔😱Ahhh
The beard automatically makes him an authority in abrahamic religions they assume 😂
@@raulitochillinintexas1637 nah a beard makes you an expert on all subjects the beard is the source of all knowledge and it is by stroking it that your request a part of that knowledge be sheared with you
as they should.
Man, I wonder if athiests or muslims found Gold yet from quote mining so much?
Atheist love doing that to Old Testament laws or the conquest of Caana
Christianity is a liberalized religion, a Christian from midevil times meeting a Christian from modern era would be interesting
@@Goyim-phobic No, Christianity nowadays (except Ethiopic and Arabic denom.) is just the logical conclusion of what Christianity was during medieval Europe. If you really want something interesting, look back to the original few forms of Christianity, when it was a hyper apocalyptic sect of Judaism around 50-250 AD. There were likely about 7-9 sects of Christianity at that point and one prevailed. Ethiopic Christianity and Arabic Christianity are kind of similar to two of the original sects since they were the ones that stayed in Asia/Africa and didn’t migrate into Europe.
The problem is that many Christians take what the Bible says at face value and take it literally. Then there's also the fact that it's open to interpretation because if it wasn't, there wouldn't be over 40,000 denominations of believers thinking there interpretation is the correct one. Just knowing it has too many interpretations alone should show that it isn't perfect, let alone inspired by a real god in my opinion.
@@HodgePodgeVids1 militant Christians love cherry picking the Old Testament though
“Islam has too many rules? Alright, let’s (completely avoid answering objections to Islam) go to the Bible.
Muslims have no problem with rules, he was just showing the hypocrisy of the Christian complaining about rules while his holy book is full of them
If the one who asked was a christian, then the relative definition of "too many" might be questioned if his bible turned out to have as many.
The question is useless anyway, a holy book can be true regardless of the number of rules it dictates.
@@youcefnafa2267 But then the adequate reaction would have been to compare the *amount* of rules found in the bible and in the quran. Just randomly picking a few rules is not that.
Woman in Islam: *shows her wrists*
Men in islam: "so anyways I started throwing acid at her..."
Your comment doesn't make any sense.
😂😂
@@sovl2178 shut up
@@sovl2178 google London acid attacks
@@sovl2178 Google Islamic women acid attacks or Islamic women genital mutilation
He prefers their heads be shaven off... ya know... Islam...
I was fixing to say the same thing 😂
😂😂
Not Islam learn the truth
Yeah and they prefer Jesus is saved from his sacrificial ceremony and betrayal from Judas worthless.
@@welcometolife4237
Except thats not what the original text of their book says and so like everything else they arent just wrong but deceived by their teachers
Love your sense of humor. "Shave their heads off" has me laughing out loud. Also good teaching.
I always cover my head in church. Many times I wear my vail in times of prayer as well. I go to Assyrian Orthodox church however, women all wear a vail or head covering. We speak in church, but we do not speak for the church as God has given the men that authority who deem fit to be able to speak on behalf of the church.
@@sukaenacornelius9285 covering of their head means their hair. Long hair. Like men should have short hair and no. Jesus did not have long hair
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God can’t grow weary Isaiah 40:28
Jesus grew weary John 4:6
=Jesus (peace be upon him) is not God
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Numbers 23:19
Rabbi abbahu (3rd century) said this means that whoever says “I am God” is a liar.
The bible says Jesus is not GOD!!!
For I am God,not a man (Hosea 11:9),
Jesus died 1 Corinthians 15 3-4
God cannot die 1 Timothy 117
=Jesus(peace be upon him)is not God
@@CordobaGeneral1234 Have you heard of a guy named,"Christian Prince"? He proves what you're talking about wrong with your own Quran and Hadiths!! Laughed my ass off watching it!!🤣😂
Christianity is the best religion there is , plain and simple 🙏
Oh yeah and what about the churches and priests responsible for abuse and violence against children what do you think about the paedophiles your churches have ?
The only true way of salvation* 😉
@@zyzz4786 we don’t stand with them. we call them out. We rebuke them. Kick them out. Report them. Don’t you know that there are wolves in sheep’s clothing? Not everyone that calls themselves Christians are. Bible says you’ll know them by their fruits (their true colors; Matthew 7:15-20) and that judgment begins at the house of God (aka the church; 1 Peter 4:17). God says that Vengeance is His and He will repay (Romans 12:19)
It may seem like they get a pass, but trust and believe they don’t, not in God’s eyes who sees everything. If they don’t repent, they will be judged when they die and be sent to hell. Point blank period.
Crazy enough, Jesus died for them too, and is giving them a chance to repent and change their ways and ask for forgiveness even if it’s undeserving. That’s the difference. It’s up to them to choose. 🤷🏽♀️
Especially trinity subject. Very easy to understand 😅
😂
Still figuring out how
1 + 1 +1 = 1
"if you feel your women disobeys you, then strike them"
the literal Quran
Lmao i'm tired of explaining this thing 😂 just read the Quran yourself with its translation but wait i know you won't because of your EGO
May you find the truth
@@irsyadamir4166 brother it literally says STRIKE THEM, I know it gives you cognitive dissonance but you have to accept the Truth.
@@irsyadamir4166taqiya carries Islam, what god needs you to lie for him?
Also read this
Narrated Sulaiman bin Yasar:
I asked `Aisha about the clothes soiled with semen. She replied, "I used to wash it off the clothes of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) and he would go for the prayer while water spots were still visible. "
حَدَّثَنَا قُتَيْبَةُ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا يَزِيدُ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا عَمْرٌو، عَنْ سُلَيْمَانَ، قَالَ سَمِعْتُ عَائِشَةَ، ح وَحَدَّثَنَا مُسَدَّدٌ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا عَبْد الوَاحِدِ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا عَمْرُو بْنُ مَيْمُونٍ، عَنْ سُلَيْمَانَ بْنِ يَسَارٍ، قَالَ سَأَلْتُ عَائِشَةَ عَنِ الْمَنِيِّ، يُصِيبُ الثَّوْبَ فَقَالَت كُنْتُ أَغْسِلُهُ مِنْ ثَوْبِ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم، فَيَخْرُجُ إِلَى الصَّلاَةِ وَأَثَرُ الْغَسْلِ فِي ثَوْبِهِ بُقَعُ الْمَاءِ.
Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 230
In-book reference : Book 4, Hadith 96
Where does it say that
Come on I am waiting for an answer
Even if the scripture does have many rules that doesn't negate Islams many rules..derp
The tu quoque fallacy is like the golden rule for Islamic apologetics.
@@ReasonedAnswers Right! 🙄
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God can’t grow weary Isaiah 40:28
Jesus grew weary John 4:6
=Jesus (peace be upon him) is not God
God is not human, that he should lie, not a human being, that he should change his mind. Numbers 23:19
Rabbi abbahu (3rd century) said this means that whoever says “I am God” is a liar.
The bible says Jesus is not GOD!!!
For I am God,not a man (Hosea 11:9),
Jesus died 1 Corinthians 15 3-4
God cannot die 1 Timothy 117
=Jesus(peace be upon him)is not God
@@CordobaGeneral1234 That is because Jesus was incarnated into a physical body - God the Father was never incarnated. Jesus‘ Body could grow weary and die. It could also resurrect.
It was very popular in Jewish culture if you were a rabbi to answer a question with another question. It's an effective way to teach, Paul does it a good bit in many of his teachings. Spot on as usual IP!
"Why do you always answer a question with another question?"
"Well how do you want me to answer?"
@@InitialPC Or you can go speak round and round but never answer the queston This is the best tectics of Muslims! Or sometimes they will divert the subject Correct?
@@childofgod4862 Answering a question with a question does not mean you didn't give an answer or divert it, with that logic Jesus had muslim tactics because He frequently answered questions with another question.
@@InitialPC I agree with you about my Lord Jesus but I was talking about the Muslims who do not answer the question, asked by a Christian person Secondly they jump on the Bible to make is comparison what we asked Thirdly, They do not have truth and they deceive people by their lies
Forthly, they do not know their own Quran.
fifthly, they have double standards
I think it’s also important to remember that each letter Paul wrote was to a specific community with a different culture and society and their own problems.
God said what I say unto one. I say unto all! Women cannot have authority over man! Adam was created first then Eve. Eve was deceived by satan. God’s order: God-man-woman-child. This guy is giving you false information. Also women ARE suppose to have their heads covered in church. Why do you think Nuns do it? It’s not a fashion statement trust me. Study to show thy self approved. The Muslim man didn’t pop up talking false. He actually studied the Bible and made sure he knew what he was talking about and delivered on the part about women remaining silent and having their heads covered. This Muslim man is making the Christians in the comments like dumb. Christians do better! Pray and ask God for clarity and stop believing what everyone is telling you and open up that bible and study it, because this is ridiculous.
Agreed
Might i point out......at least the ladies were “permitted “to be in the teaching areas. Unlike in Islam where women are required to sit separated from their husbands.
Who is telling you all that bullshit dude ?
Jenny Good one And Shall I add one more, their Allah put women in one line between Dog and Donkey!
So Dog, Woman and Donkey are equal!
So much lies been put into my religion 🤣🤣
@@irsyadamir4166 Muslims make lies about Christianity and Christians all the time, calling us polytheists, that the Trinity is the Father, Son and Mary. Spoiler alert, that is NOT the biblical Christian Trinity. Don't dish it out if you can't take it.
My Muslim students explained that the separation of the sexes allows for greater focus on Allah and less physical distractions during worship.
IP, thank you for these quick easy response videos! They are more convenient to send to people rather than 10 minute videos that explain these, I know they're a bit of a pain for you, but it is really useful to the rest of us! Please keep doing these, you do the work that others don't wanna do.
I’m glad I could help
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Thank you so much that passage has bothered me forever
Also look at how Paul uses "silence" every other time he uses it. He always means to stop people who are quarreling or debating. He can't tell women that they should cover their hair while speaking in church and should also be silent! :)
@@toomanymarys7355 Right, and I also think earlier in those chapters it was mentioned that "Anyone with the gift of prophecy could speak".
@@toomanymarys7355 I’m sorry, I don’t quite understand what you mean. Can you please explain better?
@@completevideos44 it’s acknowledged in the New Testament that women have the gift of prophecy, acts 21:9, which involves speaking!
@@bella-bee and many of Paul's co-workers in spreading the word of God were women (Romans 16).
Not to mention, many of Paul's co-workers in spreading the Gospel were women as Romans 16 suggests.
A co-worker is usually someone who supports God's Work financially, not a minister or evangelist. A great example of this is Luk. 8:2-3 where Jesus' co-workers are mentioned. These women financially supported Christ's ministry, and no one ever confuses them for being a minister or evangelist.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 if you go to the original Greek the word was diakonos which literally translated to English means Deacon. Phoebe was a Deacon for the Church.
@@summerreyes7752 as in served the Church through non ministerial tasks
The corinth women would talk during teaching times. He was saying they should wait until they get home so they were not interrupting.
And let’s face it ladies, some of us can be VERY outspoken at the wrong times. Sometimes we just need to be patient and the answer to our questions are answered along the way.
Perfect response. God Bless You Sister!!
Lol
I'm not so sure about your interpretation.
You site 1 Corinthians 11:5 as Paul permitting women to speak, but it doesn't logically follow. The context really just reaffirms the position of the other passage as it's clearly talking about a man having the "head" of Christ and a woman having the man as her head.
1 Timothy 2 completely demolishes your argument also.
Realistically, you approach being apologetic about this topic because you're ultimately very liberal in your world view. None of these passages would have had to be defended at any time in the first 1800 or so years of Christianity. You're catering to the world.
1 Timothy 2 says women should not assume authority over men and NOT that they should have zero authority
Amen, someone gets it.
It seems clear enough to me that 1 Cor 11:5 implies a woman can speak in church. Otherwise, how exactly is a woman supposed to prophesy without speaking? Mime, perhaps? :-)
@@MightyFerg1 Can you only prophecy while in a church building? The idea of "teaching" is what's really being discussed here, as the one who has authority in the synagogue/temple/church is the one who recited and/or sermonized on the Word.
@@davidstrelec2000
What is even your point? I said nothing of women having zero authority, nice strawman. I was using that to argue what Paul's ultimate position was.
As a Christian I would like to say that women are NOT allowed to speak in church and none of the verses you referenced support your claim.
Lying for Islam?
@@misterauctor7353 no it's true
@@misterauctor7353 Accusing me for your feelings?
With all due respect, I think you're wrong. If you read the context, you'll see that Paul is not quoting the Corinthians. Correct me if I'm wrong.
@Questa Semplice Animazione alright, please show me how I'm wrong brother
It's up for debate and did you look at the sources he listed, IP
You're right, this guy is lying. His so called scholars is just an opinion
As a Christian I really dislike when other Christians do this while argumenting something.
Idk why is so hard to people to understand that the Bible is not a collection of individual and self significant, intemporal quotes but a collection of books written by people in a time with a context for a reason. And therefore, it's important to know the context.
While you dislike your fellow christians defend the bible, moslems agitators/extremists are desecrating the christian faith and you don’t wanna do anything.. evil triumph because “good” men do nothing.. smh did I say that right?
Quran 4:34 "Men are in charge of women by what Allah has given one over the other and what they spend from their wealth. So righteous women are devoutly obedient, guarding in absence what Allah would have them guard. But those from whom you fear arrogance - advise them; forsake them in bed; and strike them. But if they obey you seek no means against them. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted and Grand."
"But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man,[a] and the head of Christ is God."
@@BurnBird1 from that verse to "beat your wife into obedience" is a long way. Also, that talks about authority in church, not outside the church, because if you read the book of Acts, you'll see that those who help Apollos with doctrine are a woman (Priscilla) and a man (Aquila) (Acts 18:26)
This reminds me of the video of that imam telling Muslim husbands that beating their wife is okay as long as they hit her below the neck. I nearly fell out. 😂
@@frumpusnumpus abuse is horrible no matter 1 is muslim or Christian even islam belives every human is made in gods image.
Not literally but metaphorically
@@reptilesspurky937 bro this sentence wasn’t very clear
Do you have a video going more in depth on this? I'll admit that being raised southern baptist may have colored my understanding of this passage and I want to understand what you're saying more.
Facts thank you
I love how the current common interpretation of Christianity is night and day from what it was understood as 500, even 200 years ago. Whereas the Qur'an has been unchanged and is consistent throughout history.
There are already people using the Bible to advocate for lgbt and abortion. They say sodom and gamora was only a "historical account" and not to be followed, just like what you're saying. If everything is a historical account and nothing is to be taken literally then what's the point.
You'll be surprised how many progressive Muslims too saying that Islam is pro LGBT.
@@wowulam7411 Oooh so now Islam is this progressive religion huh, according to you who say that a lot of muslims are progressive.
So you can criticize Islam for killing gays, and at the same time mock it because some are trying to make it progressive. Nice
Btw this is exactly what the guy in the video is doing, he attempts to disregard his Scriptures to mock islam, which is honestly bad for Christians. It's like saying "Ha! You muzzies have all authority over your women, your women are submissive!" That's kind of a self-own
Haahhaahah what consistency? What unchanged? Have you forgotten all those Hadiths and introductions of Haram and Halal laws? The 73 sects Muhammad speaks of? Where is the 1400 years of strict stable clarity, it's the most confused religion of all.
Also I’ve been taught Paul was referring to the fact that when there was a sermon going on since at that time women sat on different sides then the men women would try to whisper to there husband asking questions so Paul was saying just wait until you have a moment where u can talk❤
is there proof for that
I’ve literally never heard that interpretation of 1 Cor 14:34-35!! 🤯It makes more grammatical sense, it totally explains what always bothered me that I thought was discontinuity of Paul’s argument in context, explains why it says “as the Law also says” when that is not found in the Torah at all, and makes sense with Paul’s other statements about the roles of women. I’m going to have to pray about this! Thank you for sharing this!
It's very explicitly said, women are to be submissive.
I think Paul was referring to woman not being able to preach in front of the entire congregation, not speak at all in the church but to not preach at all where the pastor preaches
Yes these ppl don't know Gods TRUE WORD
I always ask for those to then explain to me Miriam, Deborah, Esther, Priscilla, Phoebe, Anna (prophesied in the Temple in Luke 2)….all are women who spoke, judged, and prophesied. Phoebe was literally called a Deacon and for them to listen to her. Romans 16:1-2
Before you mention 1 Timothy: In context during that time Romans took many wives, he was directing this at men because men were the only ones in the Roman Empire that took more than one spouse. It is not directed at women at all because women didn’t marry more than one man.
“but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering.”
1 Corinthians 11:15 ESV
Paul says a woman’s hair is her head covering
You do know Paul was giving his opinion right? Just as Andrew and Paul conflated over the issue of circumcision right? So how about you actually read the scriptures instead of assuming and guessing
People also use 1 Timothy 2 to demean woman. But it doesn’t when read in context.
If we look at first Corinthians 11:5, it shows that Paul did not prohibit woman from praying or prophesying publicly; roles of teaching and authority are in view here.
Paul was no sexist, but a champion of the equality of men and woman before God (Gal.3:28). Paul simply recognised that male and female equality did not require abolishing all role distinctions, which were defined by God In creation. The woman was created to be a helper for the man (Gn.2:18-25). Eve’s exercise of authority over Adam brought disaster, illustrating the dangers of upsetting the family’s divinely ordained leadership structure.
Evidently, the false teachers taught that male authority in church and home and the woman’s childbearing role were curses for sin, which Jesus atoning work had eradicated (Gn3:16). But this was obviously wrong.
Paul recognised that Eve’s curse involved oppressive male leadership and pain in childbearing, but male leadership and childbearing were part of Gods plan for pre-fall creation (Gn 1:27-28,2:18). Paul therefore insisted Christian wives were “saved” (restored to their pre-fall state or perhaps rescued from surrounding cultural influences like those seen in v.9) by submitting to their husbands compassionate leadership and through bearing and raising children. This is one way Ephesian women could “work out” their final salvation (Php.2:12).
Hope this helps🙏🏾
You do such a good job!!! I completely agree with the Pauline quotation-refutation argument.
Hey IP, yesterday(July 3rd) was St. Thomas Day, the day on which he was martyred. This year we're celebrating 1950th year of his martyrdom.
Could you make a video on St. Thomas, the apostle?
My struggle with this is how all the church fathers always understand this to be a rule from Paul. This is the first time I hear it's a quotation from the Corinthian who wrote to Paul. A lot of commentaries try to explain this away by saying the verses are not authentic (They probably are because Tertulian quotes them against the Marcionates who were the ones altering the letters of Paul)
What I don't get is that there are 2 extreme interpretations of Paul, in one he's a mysoginist and in the other one he's a progressive feminist. Which both can't be true and both are incoherent.
I think what Paul means is that women should not speak over their husbands (That means, equal respect) because apparently in Corinth women were overstepping their husbands. That's why he would allow women to prophesize with veil but then tell women to ask questions to their husbands at home and not a church.
Saint Thomas Aquinas commented on this:
"The women should keep silence in the churches . For they are not permitted to speak , but should be subordinate , as even the law says " ( 1 Cor 14:34 ) . The reason for this is that ruling is a function of reason ; and because men's reason is stronger
@@abdullah19_m And is that true?
@@VincenzoRutiglianoDiaz yes you can search it up, in his "Commentary on the Epistle to the Collosians"
Thank you so much God used you to explain verses that I have struggled with for years. Praise God!
I don’t know about this one IP. Doesn’t make a ton of sense to say this is a quote that Paul is responding to. Not sure how you can read it that way? I’ve never heard this interpretation before, and as I look at the passage it just isn’t making sense that way. I’d like to believe that, it would be convenient, but I don’t this the text can be explained this way.
Read the sources in the video. Scholars accept that Paul quotes in 1 Corinthians, but there is debate over which verses. The verse about women being silent is a good candidate for being a quote based on the Greek text and the overall context of Paul's letters and the culture. You probably never heard that interpretation for the same reason I haven't, most churches don't want to bring up controversial issues.
There are reasons for this that my Grandma told me. Historically, the place of the Corinthians (not know place, sorry I’m dumb) Paul told the women to cover their heads because the women with shaved heads were prostitutes and it would be distracting for the members to look at them during sermons (or whatever they did then) so Paul wrote, “Women cover your face”.
And for the speaking portion, women and men were separated in the old days during the service, but after women were excepted into the men’s services, the women would ask the men during service what the preacher (or messenger) was talking about because the women knew very little do to a segregation between men and women. Since the women kept talking and distracting the service, Paul wrote, “Women, be silent”
And that’s why Paul wrote the things in his letters, good to know the historical context sometimes rather than obey blindly what some of these messages meant.
is there proof for that
@@camila.a4366 yup. My grandma is a historian, and she has many different books that support this argument. She was particularly interested in the time of Jesus and what occurred during the Roman Empire at the time.
@@Snivy121ee what are the books called
It's funny, it's like watching two kids argue over whether Naruto could beat Goku.
That makes so much sense ive been confused on that verse
My pastor today was talking about these verses in the historical contents of the culture back then. You should talk more about 1st Corinthians because people like to twits the meaning of it a lot.
They especially twist it in a manner where they refuse to accept simple biblical commandments that are reflecting the nature of things created by God: that women should cover their heads during a prayer and in church and that women are not allowed to teach in the church. These simple commandments had been present in Church for centuries until some progressive pastors decided they are not to be applied anymore and that „historical context” somehow negates them.
I haven’t met a single woman who would revealed that Holy Spirit convinced her to uncover her head, while I have met plenty of women who were convinced by God that this commandment applies to them and they should follow it and obey the Word. Even Paul notices that there are people who want to disregard these simple rules at that time, but he just noted that he wasn’t going to discuss it.
God bless you
Hi IP, I was wondering if there was historical evidence that points to women covering their heads being considered modest fashion in Paul’s times, and having uncovered heads was immodest. Basically I’m just asking if we know that was really a cultural standard or if God really wants women to cover their heads.
There is. IC put some of the scholarship up on the screen, but obviously can only say so much in a 1 minute short.
It was the symbol of marriage. Having your hair uncovered was like saying you were throwing out your husband. Probably because there are no married people in heaven, some people were getting goofy in church.
Maidens did NOT cover their hair.
Here’s what the final analysis on Roman culture for women’s head covering says (roughly). The highlighted bits are bolded here.
“Because most Christians gathered in the wealthier homes, Christians of different social strata and backgrounds met together; "naked" hair held different social connotations for different women. *To wealthier women, it signified at most ostentation; to most women from the east, it symbolized immodesty and, at worse, seduction.* As in the case of some other issues (e.g., 1:21), *Paul must here address a clash of social values* just as to many idol food connoted idolatry hence should be avoided for others' sake, so uncovered hair to many connoted seduction and immodesty, hence should be avoided for others' sake. *A modern Western equivalent might be someone walking into a religious service in a bathing suit;* although this might not disturb some California beach churches during the Jesus movement, newcomers with such informal attire might disrupt traditional churches in, say, New England.”
“In a series of interlocking arguments, Paul contends that by keeping her physical head uncovered, the wife also dishonors her figurative head, that is, her husband (11:3-§). (Both orators and rabbis often argued from plays on words.) Although some argue plausibly that "head" figuratively functions as "source" or "first part" (see 11:8-9, which may suggest the creation order in 11:3; also 8:6), ancient literature also applies it often to "authority" or to the " most honored for prominent] part.' Both "authority" and "honored part" fit Paul's Christology (13) as well as the normal structure of the household in Paul's environment (which he assumes, like most arguments in this passage, to argue for head coverings rather than to defend for its own sake),! "Honored part" also would relate well to the contextual issue ofa wife shaming her husband, Given the shame (often sexual) inherent in uncovered hair in the east (see A Closer Look, earlier), the wife speaking without this covering shames her husband (1:4-6). (Her behavior reflects on him because he is her "head 1:3, and they are "one flesh," cf. 616.) *Paul employs reductio ad absurdum. If a woman wants her head completely uncovered, she should shave it entirely...*”
@@josephb.4640 thank you for the in depth response!
@@brettrfalcon730 - I just copied the text at the end of this video, but you are welcome!
You critiqued my religion so let's critique another one to make mine look better instead of giving an explanation or reasoning as a response. This is why I left Islam, never a good explanation because there is none, Lord Jesus is the only way.
Part of this is that Islam, which primarily spread by the sword, never really developed an intellectual tradition of using rhetoric and logic to meet people where they were at in order to convert them. Even from the beginning, when Mohammad was rejected as a prophet by the Jews (a prophet of God would not come from outside of Israel) and the Christians (Christ said "it is finished" meaning He was the last prophet), Mohammad, instead of trying to explain why he would be the exceptions to these Jewish and Christian claims, declared that the Jews and Christians had edited their sacred texts to omit the truth -- figures like Abraham, Moses, and Jesus were ALSO devout Muslims. Not at all a compelling argument, but I suppose many might come to accept it anyway, when faced with threats of death and conquest!
@@LaserFace23 he didn't claim that the Bible was corrupted, that's what Muslims say, he instead only said that the Christians are to judge by the Gospel and Jews by the Torah, otherwise they are rebellious. There is even a hadith where Mohammed bows down before the Torah
@@TandemSix and later he killed the jews of Medinah who did not submit, and he was poisoned by a Jewish woman whose family he killed. He got what he deserved, false prophet that I will never again bow down to. Heaven forgive me for uttering his name
@@TandemSix if it isn't corrupted and we must judge by our books, why follow Islam at all? Why does the quran say we are the worst of creatures?
@@nightshade1732 I don't know why the quran calls us the worst of creatures, or why we should follow the quran (obviously inferior)
Like when he told missionaries to refrain from marrying while serving abroad.. Answering a question from missionaries about whether they were allowed to marry while serving. Some Churches took this question and applied it to everyone who wants to serve... And made it a rule for life
I didn't see Paul's response in the next verses and I don't think you did either because you didn't quote them. I'm guessing this is an instance of dishonesty on your behalf but I'm open to being proven wrong.
Yep L looked it up also and found the flow of the chapter inconclusive.
Note to IP" I Would like Pauls position explained more clearly and back it up with other commentaries please it would be appreciated
Thomas Aquinas also was against women speaking in church
Well Phoebe, Priscilla, and Junia are often cited as examples of women who played significant roles in the early Christian church, and some interpret their roles as church leaders or influential figures.
1. Phoebe: Phoebe is mentioned in the New Testament in Romans 16:1-2. Paul refers to her as a "deacon" or "servant" of the church in Cenchreae and commends her to the Romans, meaning that she held a position of responsibility and leadership in the early Christian community.
2. Priscilla (Prisca): Priscilla is mentioned in several New Testament passages, often alongside her husband Aquila. They are described as Christian missionaries who worked closely with Paul. In Acts 18, Priscilla is mentioned as teaching Apollos about the way of the Lord. This indicates her involvement in teaching and leadership within the Christian community.
3. Junia: Junia is mentioned in Romans 16:7 as "outstanding among the apostles." While the interpretation of this passage varies, many scholars argue that it suggests Junia held a prominent and authoritative position among the apostles, which could indicate significant leadership within the early church.
These women are seen as examples of early female leaders and teachers in the Christian community. Their roles are subjects of discussion and interpretation within Christian theology and scholarship, with some using their examples to argue for greater inclusion of women in church leadership, while others hold more conservative views on gender roles within the church.
More like hold his flying donkeys!
The first retort really clarified this for me.
The second retort I think is a specific ask for respect in the church, no different to how one should venerate the body of Christ. Both can happen, but both should be avoided by good people of God, ergo, why Paul writes of this issue.
Don't take religious instruction from TH-cam shorts or you will get bad interpretations. Instead:
2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV) Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
I love these little rebuttals
Would you say then modesty is subjective to each time period? Or is it something objective? How would you articulate that?
Ooh, I wanna hear an answer to that as well. Interested.
It's actually quite complicated.
I have a question.. What about 1st Timothy 2: 11,12 which says: Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. ¹² But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.". Doesn't this state women are to be silent in teaching/preaching and in the Church? I'm confused about it
Im new in my walk in Christianity, and I just read that verse yesterday, and it has been weighing on my heart. It didn’t make sense to me because it contradicted something Paul said directly, and also wouldn’t make sense to the sake of edifying the church. I was praying for clarity for this because it really hurt me, this video pops up for me today.
And now you're conforted in your misguidance.
Freudian slip with the whole "shave their heads off" there
but the quran is a man make book the bible isn't
* made
The bible is man made, Quran isnt
@@tahahagar7664 the bible is the word of god
@@marcellofunhouse1234 yeah the word of God that has been changed out the century 😂
@@thestruggleisallthatmatter8833 it hasnt
Love your videos my brother!
Both men are wrong on their interpretations
Has this guy heard of the concept of the new vs old covenant.
except both verses he cited are from the new testament..
@@InitialPC Context
@@Denozo88 what context!?
both chapters are written by paul post resurrection of jesus in the new testament!
old vs new covenant does not apply here!
@@InitialPC The context he uses them in. Keep in mind its easy to find verses ti fit your human purpose if you look for it
If that’s true , why does Paul forbids it in 1.Timothy 12. It perfectly adds up with Corinthians
If you read the scriptures he provided, none of them say women are allowed to speak IN CHURCH! Any time you have a person that uses logic and philosophy teaching the Word of God, you’re going to be listening to a liar. 🤷🏾♂️ He clearly has found a lane to fill and is not trying to win souls for Christ.
1 Timothy 2: In context it says in reference to Adam and Eve (the husband and wife). A man is to lead and teach the wife. Hence why he mentions, entirely submissive. I am submitted to God then to my Husband. I am not submissive to all men just because they are men. God is no respecter of persons.
Lol! Brilliant! God bless you, dear IP
😂😂 Another amazing reply, keep up the good work and stay blessed
Also Quran: “Marries a 9 year old”
How Quran married 9 year old, study Islam first don't such arrogant and idiot
Amen 🙏 Many many people are lost in scripture today 💖especially this guy and all Muslims - All religions that teach and preach outside the gospel of Jesus 🔥 are Blinded to Gods truth -
Why do you say amen to a false teacher? Even Christians in the comment section called him out on his bs.
The bible quite literally CAN NOT be the word of god because there have been CHANGES made to it by HUMANS who NEVER MET JESUS so how can you believe in such a religion that follows a book that can’t possibly be the word of god. There are hundreds different types of bible that say different things yet every Quran on earth has the exact same words written. This is how we know it could not have changed.
Really appreciate what you’re doing 🙏❤️
I'm an atheist and I'm perfectly willing to point out some dumb stuff in the bible, but Paul was one of the best for quoting stuff and then responding and also owning and taking responsibility for what he thinks and believes.
A woman with a shaved head looks like a man and that breaks God's Law. Men are not to dress like women and women are not to dress like men. "A woman must not wear men’s clothing, and a man must not wear women’s clothing, for whoever does these things is detestable to the LORD your God." Deuteronomy 22:5
What about women who have been through chemotherapy, or women who shave their hair in solidarity for others?
@@abigaillemonade1497i mean that’s clearly an exception and it’s understandable. Medical reasons are another thing and dressing up purposely as a man is a different thing. Intentions of the heart and the context of the situation makes a major difference.
Can you get on him more please
The guy I responded to?
@@InspiringPhilosophy yea
The quotation idea mentioned regarding 1 Corinthians 14:33-35 is a fringe hypothesis from my reading. By my understanding, it looks like even egalitarian scholars are split on this one. I don't think it's a good response, especially since there is a cloud of cultural mist shrouding the interpretation of this passage.
I think pointing out examples of female teachers (see Apollos, Priscilla, and Acquilla) in the New Testament and taking the context clues about the church in Corinth facing unique problems in the congregation would do a lot better job.
Exactly!!! I always ask for those to explain to me Miriam, Deborah, Esther, Priscilla, Phoebe, Anna….all are women who spoke, judged, and prophesied.
Not to mention the verse in Corinthians is in reference to a group of women who were not Christian but would come to the teachings and be disruptive constantly stopping the lessons to ask questions and interrupting the teachings so that no message could be shared
He was specifically calling out their conduct and saying that if they were truly women of god they would be open to listening and receiving enlightenment rather than being a disruption to those who where trying to listen.
Women are allowed to speak , just not allowed to Pastor.
Wow. Your bible is sexist/misogynistic. Then again, it's another MAN-made religon.You are corrupt people. You're not going to get anywhere with that evil line of thinking. Do better!
Women can obviously speak in churches, but they shouldn't teach over men
They can teach over men. The prophetesses of the old testament such as Miriam and Huldah taught over men and in the new testament Mary Magdalene was a woman and she taught over men as she is considered the apostle to the apostles, she was one of the first three witnesses to the resurrection and it was her that told the good news to the apostles. The only things women can't do are priestly functions such as communion and receiving confessions because these are to be done by persons who should symbolize the new Adam thus men.
@@mark20102012 She didn't teach anyone she was the apostle to them because of being the first chosen by God. Of women taught men we would have a country that accepts homosexuals and abortions.....oh wait!
@@mark20102012 So, if I understand correctly, Christian women should not pass out the Communion elements? Or am I over simplifying?
You people are extremely misogynistic. It's incredible. You are unevolved as a person. You need to change your line of thinking. Men and women are different but not limited to what they can do such as speaking and teaching each other. Don't be a misogynist okay? Do better please!
Once again, I'm grateful for these shorts as they are needed to counter misconceptions that sadly get spread around on these platforms 🙏.
Also, I would hope that people who don't regularly read the Bible (and therefore don't know about the importance of contex or descriptive vs prescriptive verses etc.) are at the very least willing to do a little research about it or talk to well-studied people, instead of just looking on the surface or assuming the worst.
I'm so glad I found your channel. Good work mate!
Mike Winger is taking months of putting out 21 3 hour long videos to tackle this issue....and you lay it out straight in a 30 second tick tock.
Yes, but IP is incorrect. This isn't a rhetorical quotation
@@briggy4359like which one ?
"Alright lets open up the bible" is basically the islamists cope because they can't bare to address the quran. Nice response
Well the Quran isn't even a coherent text on its own. You need the Sunnah and the Hadith. Which were written long after the lives of the living witnesses and have no claim to divine authority anyway.
hmmm. Titus 1:6 says the quality of a pastor is 'a husband of one wife'. Not 'or a wife of one husband'. Pretty sure this points to 'man only' preachers. Just a thought.
In context during the time Romans took many wives, he was directing this at men because men were the only ones in the Roman Empire that took more than one spouse. It is not directed at women at all because women didn’t marry more than one man.
Jesus Christ is savior
So weird that Muslims began using the verse from the Pauline epistles, which isn’t actually ironic considering in the earliest day of Islam, they considered Paul (Bulus) as an honourable messenger of God.
Lol
Nobody considered Paul the pagan a messenger of God in Islam lol...
@@tahahagar7664
Muslims hate Paul and accuse him of conspiracy
Why doesn't quran mention anything about Paul at all if he was the one who corrupted the Bible, invented modern day Christianity and led astray the followers of Jesus? It would so significantly important yet the quran fails to mention anything about Paul at all
@@tahahagar7664 did you know Bulus is the same as Paulus just like Saul is the same as Paul but different translation "Bulus/Paulus the Messager of Allah"
Women should learn quietly and submissively. I do not let women teach men or have authority over them. Let them listen quietly.
1 Timothy 2:11-12
compared to what he said to the Corinthians, this one doesn't seem to be a quotation.
any thoughts?
It means women shouldn't have leadership roles, They can't be a pastor etc. Mike winger did a series on women and the bible
Abusing authority, that is the main issue Paul is addressing.
Paul is saying that the authority a man has in a marriage cannot be usurped by the role of authority by a wife in a church setting. This passage in Timothy is about the role of a man and woman in marriage more than it is about a man somehow being superior to a woman.
Imagine if God leads a husband to go to a different country. Biblically the wife is to submit. She should not get up in a congregation and say, "Hey God told me to teach on NOT going to a different country" or "I am going to prophecy and God says we should not go to a different country". Do you see it? A woman is not allowed to USURP the authority given to a man in a marriage by trying to use the authority of the church, any church office or a spiritual gift.
Incidentally this is more clear when looking at the context of the passage and reading from the Greek. At the very least quote it from the KJV. This translation makes it sound like Paul was an outright misogynist.
Well Phoebe, Priscilla, and Junia are often cited as examples of women who played significant roles in the early Christian church, and some interpret their roles as church leaders or influential figures.
1. Phoebe: Phoebe is mentioned in the New Testament in Romans 16:1-2. Paul refers to her as a "deacon" or "servant" of the church in Cenchreae and commends her to the Romans, suggesting that she held a position of responsibility and leadership in the early Christian community.
2. Priscilla (Prisca): Priscilla is mentioned in several New Testament passages, often alongside her husband Aquila. They are described as Christian missionaries who worked closely with Paul. In Acts 18, Priscilla is mentioned as teaching Apollos about the way of the Lord. This indicates her involvement in teaching and leadership within the Christian community.
3. Junia: Junia is mentioned in Romans 16:7 as "outstanding among the apostles." While the interpretation of this passage varies, many scholars argue that it suggests Junia held a prominent and authoritative position among the apostles, which could indicate significant leadership within the early church.
These women are seen as examples of early female leaders and teachers in the Christian community. Their roles are subjects of discussion and interpretation within Christian theology and scholarship, with some using their examples to argue for greater inclusion of women in church leadership, while others hold more conservative views on gender roles within the church.
My brother in humanity, such an explanation won't convince anyone! We all know that Christianity, ever since the enlightenment, has been liberalised down to the core. Look at the dresses Christian women wear today! Had they worn such clothing 5 or 6 centuries earlier. Every pope and patriarch would've condemned their choice of attire. Even the clothes that are deemed modest, by your standards today, wouldn't be spared from their criticism.
The rights that have been granted, to women in the west, are all a product of liberalism rather than Christianity.
I’m Episcopalian and even the progressive made my rainbow blood boil.
Woman aren’t supposed to teach or speak in Churches. The Bible means what it says in this. Your not going to hell if you do, it’s just not Gods best. There is an order on how things should go. When I prayed on it, I got the idea of royalty with a king and queen. We are royalty and just as we are to submit to Jesus, our wives are to submit to us. We are also supposed to lead like Jesus and it’s not about controlling or dominating woman. As the Queen will fill in for the King in his absence, so a female can step up when there is not a male leading, but it’s not Gods best. Don’t placate to the 20th century man because the Bible doesn’t fit the worlds agenda since the feminist movement. You’re bright enough to know that. You’ll be prone to compromise which will destroy your walk, don’t cave when God says a thing he means it! Grow a pair men and don’t cave to the pressure to a Jezebel Spirit…
True, the theory that 1 Cor. 14:34-35 is a quotation-refutation device (QRD) doesn't hold because it doesn't follow the pattern of Paul's widely acknowledged quotation-refutation. Additionally, according to QRD proponents, Corinthian men proposed, “As in all the assemblies of the saints, the women should keep silent in the assemblies.” It is improbable that Corinthian men asserted that all the churches silence women since anyone who had been in other churches could refute this. Nor is it likely that Paul would abruptly begin a false command with, “As in all the churches of the saints,” since this would set up his readers to think that what follows is practiced in all the churches and so should be followed by them as well. If Paul intended to convey that v.34-35 quote his opponents, he failed, for every surviving comment on them until recent times treats them as Paul’s restriction on women’s speech.
"Woman aren’t supposed to teach or speak in Churches."
IP addressed that.
@@zadok6709 What he said 😁☝️
is a woman permitted to perform the "public reading of Scripture"?? 1 Timothy 4:13
none of the recorded moments in Scripture of a public reading of Scripture were done by a woman...
Correct.
Phoebe was Paul's emissary to Rome. This means that she was entrusted with the first reading of Romans to the church there.
@@toomanymarys7355 thank you for your response. i am currently down the "public reading of Scripture" rabbit hole and was curious if there was any early church records of women doing this.
@@ryanjennens1481 This isn't really well recorded--who exactly did what. We find out that deaconesses WERE serving at the altar when a pope banned it in the 400s. Lol. That implies that they were reading the scripture in at least certain parts of the liturgy. They may have been fully conducting the liturgy in certain circumstances, which would indeed be problematical.
Deaconesses were either nuns/virgins or widows by the late 300s, btw. There seem to have been a role for nonmonastic virgins for a long while.
Deaconesses were suppressed after the emphasis of the role of deacon was changed to being like a starter priest. The change for deacons took place by the 300s. Deaconesses were suppressed starting in the 600s I think in various places but not until after 1000 in other places.
Phoebe read the letter that Paul sent with her. That was the role of an emissary.
@@toomanymarys7355 thank you for your time. Phoebe is a good starting point for me to study. i just bought an audio version of the New Testament that is read by a man and it got me thinking about if a woman is Biblically permitted to publicly read Scripture. Philippians 4:2&3 would be a good passage to do some research on for me.
Wow a Christian rapper on youtube chat was just going off at me about how I must obey what every man says and even if that man is woke etc I said and not speaking of God and he said yes I must respect what every man says above me cause women cannot preach or speak of God ever at all not even in church and must obey all men. Wow I was feeling very sad for months and confused thankyou!
Sometimes you should laugh such people off, why'd you let that rapper guy live in yo head rent free particularly after he's spoken nonsense. Good that you've found IP's channel though as he helps clear up misconceptions. 👍
You continue teaching human standards...we are to uphold God's standards in our churches.
The reason Christianity is dead is because people like you keep trying to explain away what the book says. Men have their role and women have theirs. Own it. Women are supposed to cover their heads. Paul is very explicit about that and justifies it for the rest of chapter 11. Just own it and explain why it is. Don’t try to explain it away.
You guys always reinterpret verses depending on how it suits you at the time.
"The bible is the literal word of God and is historically accurate"
"It has talking animals and like 3 apocalypses"
"Its a parable, its not meant to be taken literally"
The Bible is the literal word of God because it literally came from Him, but anyone who is ever read an Aesop fable should know that a parable is designed to illustrate a moral principle and not to be read as if it actually happened.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 thats exactly what I'm talking about lol. But which parts are parable and literal are always changing, depending on the debate at hand.
Lying for Islan?
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 The Bible doesnt claim it is the literal word of God, stop copying Islam....
@@tahahagar7664 go read John 1:1 broddie
If the Muslim guy just read the gospels, he would find that there are actually just two laws in Christianity. ❤️✝️
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Thanks for rhe content!
When you can’t defend… Distract!!!
any chance you will do a full video on the topic of female pastors?
I would also like to state that at the end of Puals talk about head coverings/hair, he does say if people are contentious, then it doesn't matter. Doesn't sound like a rule to me.
God bless you for using your talents to bring light to the misunderstandings and misuse of the scripture. That, I find, is the saddest thing of all - when people twist the words that I hold so sacred.
You are incorrect. Reading the passages that lead up to it and the passages after it, it is clear that he is giving instruction.
Man. So quick to "shaving heads off." 😆
A couple verses later in Corinthians 14:39 its says "therefore my bothers and SISTERS, be eager to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tougnes"
What about 1 Timothy 2:12-15, "I do not permit a woman to teach ..."
Is that solely about teaching and not directly related to 1 Corinthians 14 about women speaking in general?
Or is there another way to understand 1 Timothy 2:12-15?
For a woman, her long hair is her covering. Woman can't preach in front of the congregation or be a pastor but can preach outside the church. Back then the men and woman sat on opposite sides of the church so when the woman heard this news for the first time she'd yell over to her husband and this would distract the pastor so he told the woman to be quiet till church was over. That's it
1 Cor. 14:34 isn't a refutation passage. He literally means they're to remain silent. However, this is in the context of judging prophecy. Women are allowed to prophecy themselves, but Paul is saying that anytime a prophecy is given, it must be judged to determine its validity. This is something Paul states is to be done by men, not women. So this isn't that they're to be utterly silent, but that they are to be quiet when it comes time to judge prophecy.
Have you done research?
Can someone please explain the verses he quoted to show that women can speak in the church because most of them don't seem to show that, or are very thin. Thanks!
Taking all the scriptures together in the Old and New Testament,
I believe it is clear that men and women are spiritually equal.
Complementarianism is a false teaching. At its center
it supports a two-tiered priesthood based on birthright.
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood...
-excerpt 1 Peter 2
Reply for my full post 'Complementarianism' if desired.
I was literally going to say same thing. Paul quotes and response to it. He died that throughout all his letters. People don’t read the whole thing.
What 1 Timothy 11-12?