is this how tagliariol was dominating his opponents? Lightning fast footwork to close the distance and blade control if the opponent tries to counterattack?
@@kptnflam3724 it was definitely a major part of his style! You can see him do exactly what you described in his final touch against Jeannet at the 2008 Olympics-flèche forward, sweep the blade, land the flick
@@Holo_bolo as a French grip user myself, when fencing somebody who parries like this, you have to work your long distance threats very, very effectively, and NEVER get close enough for them to use one of these parries (unless you’re suddenly blasting forwards when they’re not ready). I find that people who use Italian-style parries as their main defense are often a little more exposed to getting hit on the hand.
@@Holo_bolo more specifically, I mean “short target”-targets that you can hit without having to get too close to the opponent, mainly the hand and foot.
I'm pretty new to fencing (12 months as of September) but my coach and most other people I've fenced with have recommended small circles, and in parries to keep the top on my opponent as much as possible. I fence a very off the blade french grip style, and I find that opponents (at least at my low level) that do massive sweeping/searching actions are pretty easy for me to disengage counter attack. I was wondering how the small actions school of thought compares with this style? Is is just 2 different styles that have their own strengths and weaknesses (kinda like french vs pistol grip, neither is strictly 100% better than the other, its kinda preference), or is it just easier to teach beginners to keep small when they learn the fundamentals (like how I was told to extend out and keep my arm there to fix a point and not pull my arm back, but now that I understand that fundamental I can pump faint in certain contexts, you don't have to extend your arm at a binary of 0 and 1)
@@ashtonreid2938 very sharp thinking, especially for somebody in the first year of fencing. I’m actually an absence-of-blade French grip fencer too. There are several things we can say about this: - it’s absolutely a different school of thought. The French system teaches to always keep the tip on target, to take parries as quickly as possible. They don’t “trap” the opponent’s blade; instead, they deflect it for just a fraction of a second to create the opening to launch their own riposte. It takes quick timing. - even in the Italian style, you still want to keep your tip on target until the blade engagement actually happens. The hard part of these parries is knowing when the moment comes that you’re able to fully take that leverage. If you try to do it from too far away, your opponent gets the easiest disengage touch ever. - I absolutely think it’s a good idea to emphasize smaller actions for beginning fencers. It’s way more common for beginners to make movements too big, and it takes specialized training to learn to keep them tight and focused. This style of parry-riposte is more suitable for intermediate to advanced fencers, who already have a feel for the basics.
I've also watched your video enough to appreciate the guitar music I presume you played? I liked the switch to "you spin me round" as you were showing the circling action 😁
Seems like with this idea you never step back with parries, otherwise your opponent would not pass behind you. How Italian schoold approaches this? Typical parry is done with step back to make yourself more space and time for reaction.
Smart observation! If you watch the guys on team Italy, they do often stay planted or even step forward with the parry. However, they do sometimes still take a quick retreat when attacked, either because they're not confident they have the parry, or because the opponent is coming in at a speed where they need the extra time and space to get blade control. In the end, we should use footwork to get whatever the correct distance is for the parry, whether that's backwards, forwards, or in place.
@@Z.O.M.G then you can still use some of these ideas! I’m a French grip user actually, and learning this style has made my blade actions stronger. But there are a few weaknesses that make it harder: since we have less leverage on our grip than pistol grip users do, it’s harder to make the circle motions as fast, and it’s also harder in some cases to hit the crazy angles we might need to land ripostes at close distance. But you can still apply the ideas of keeping your tip out wide to hold the opponent’s blade, and of trying to parry so that their point goes past your body
T.21/ 3 - When the handle has a special device or attachment or has a special shape (e.g. orthopedic) it must be held in such a way that the upper surface of the thumb is in the same plane as the groove in the blade (at foil or at epée) and perpendicular to the plane of flexibility of the blade at sabre. You cant do this.
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100!🙂
Great video!
I have a French grip.
Me too.
is this how tagliariol was dominating his opponents? Lightning fast footwork to close the distance and blade control if the opponent tries to counterattack?
@@kptnflam3724 it was definitely a major part of his style! You can see him do exactly what you described in his final touch against Jeannet at the 2008 Olympics-flèche forward, sweep the blade, land the flick
Great video! How can someone beat that kind of fencer? Especially when using a French grip?
@@Holo_bolo as a French grip user myself, when fencing somebody who parries like this, you have to work your long distance threats very, very effectively, and NEVER get close enough for them to use one of these parries (unless you’re suddenly blasting forwards when they’re not ready). I find that people who use Italian-style parries as their main defense are often a little more exposed to getting hit on the hand.
@@achilleus2669 thank you! When you say long distance threat you mean a long lunge for example ?
@@Holo_bolo more specifically, I mean “short target”-targets that you can hit without having to get too close to the
opponent, mainly the hand and foot.
@@achilleus2669 thank you!!
I'm pretty new to fencing (12 months as of September) but my coach and most other people I've fenced with have recommended small circles, and in parries to keep the top on my opponent as much as possible. I fence a very off the blade french grip style, and I find that opponents (at least at my low level) that do massive sweeping/searching actions are pretty easy for me to disengage counter attack. I was wondering how the small actions school of thought compares with this style? Is is just 2 different styles that have their own strengths and weaknesses (kinda like french vs pistol grip, neither is strictly 100% better than the other, its kinda preference), or is it just easier to teach beginners to keep small when they learn the fundamentals (like how I was told to extend out and keep my arm there to fix a point and not pull my arm back, but now that I understand that fundamental I can pump faint in certain contexts, you don't have to extend your arm at a binary of 0 and 1)
@@ashtonreid2938 very sharp thinking, especially for somebody in the first year of fencing. I’m actually an absence-of-blade French grip fencer too. There are several things we can say about this:
- it’s absolutely a different school of thought. The French system teaches to always keep the tip on target, to take parries as quickly as possible. They don’t “trap” the opponent’s blade; instead, they deflect it for just a fraction of a second to create the opening to launch their own riposte. It takes quick timing.
- even in the Italian style, you still want to keep your tip on target until the blade engagement actually happens. The hard part of these parries is knowing when the moment comes that you’re able to fully take that leverage. If you try to do it from too far away, your opponent gets the easiest disengage touch ever.
- I absolutely think it’s a good idea to emphasize smaller actions for beginning fencers. It’s way more common for beginners to make movements too big, and it takes specialized training to learn to keep them tight and focused. This style of parry-riposte is more suitable for intermediate to advanced fencers, who already have a feel for the basics.
Nice man. You should make more videos in this vein. 👌
@@flaze3 thanks!! I’ll be glad to, if I can think of another action or aspect of fencing that I feel like I understand and can explain.
@@achilleus2669 I liked the prime to nine flick. Some more stuff on flicking would be cool. Do you just do épée or foil too?
@@flaze3 I’ve done foil in the past, although I’m all epée now. But I do like foil flicks in particular
@@achilleus2669 me too. I flick quite a lot in foil, and also in épée! But hardly ever as a parry riposte action, so I like seeing content on that 😁
I've also watched your video enough to appreciate the guitar music I presume you played? I liked the switch to "you spin me round" as you were showing the circling action 😁
Seems like with this idea you never step back with parries, otherwise your opponent would not pass behind you. How Italian schoold approaches this? Typical parry is done with step back to make yourself more space and time for reaction.
Smart observation! If you watch the guys on team Italy, they do often stay planted or even step forward with the parry. However, they do sometimes still take a quick retreat when attacked, either because they're not confident they have the parry, or because the opponent is coming in at a speed where they need the extra time and space to get blade control.
In the end, we should use footwork to get whatever the correct distance is for the parry, whether that's backwards, forwards, or in place.
Uugh, ewww...An olympic foil...fascinating still none the less lol
Lets say (hipotetically of course) I use the french grip, what then?
@@Z.O.M.G then you can still use some of these ideas! I’m a French grip user actually, and learning this style has made my blade actions stronger. But there are a few weaknesses that make it harder: since we have less leverage on our grip than pistol grip users do, it’s harder to make the circle motions as fast, and it’s also harder in some cases to hit the crazy angles we might need to land ripostes at close distance. But you can still apply the ideas of keeping your tip out wide to hold the opponent’s blade, and of trying to parry so that their point goes past your body
T.21/ 3 - When the handle has a special device or attachment or has a special shape (e.g.
orthopedic) it must be held in such a way that the upper surface of the thumb is in the same
plane as the groove in the blade (at foil or at epée) and perpendicular to the plane of flexibility
of the blade at sabre.
You cant do this.
brother iam from india can i get a EPEE lesson from you ?
I don't know much about giving any lessons, but if you have any questions, I'm glad to try to answer them if I can!
Это не шпага, это рапира
Thats not an italian epee/spada though?...
It's an Olympic Epee, and this style is specifically for Olympic fencing. This is just how Italian schools do it.