Pinning some insight from Mr Druah who helped clarify why Clears / Purples have this issue: "The cause of clears/purples keycaps are these 4 nubs present on the stem of those. The rest of the stem is the same thickness as other cherry switches but it's just those nubs causing issues. You can experiment with that by putting a keycap on while viewing the switch from below and you'll see that when the keycap touches the 4 nubs on the way down, it becomes much harder to press down. While near the top it's pretty easy. Cherry clears were originally meant to be used in industrial settings where the keycaps were never meant to be taken off Cherry/glarses technically aren't wrong when they said "iT woN'T CrACk KeYcAPS" but in practice it's very easy to crack keycaps on purples/clears if you mount them frequently enough or pull them out at a bad angle." Here is an image where you can see these nubs in the middle of the stem: pbs.twimg.com/media/GBFht8qWsAAf3I9.png
this video needs to get out there, not only to introduce clears to more people but to make geon restock the trimmer 😂 I've been waiting for a restock for months
@@silvernbeige This exact build was discussed in the extrapriusplease youtube, and was considered good by Merisi, the designer of this keyboard, himself.
So is the issue Clears or Ergo Clears? I don’t know if I missed something but during the keycap pulling part you said Ergo Clears, but now that there are Cherry factory Ergo Clears, I wasn't sure if it was both or 1 or the other Edit: just checked, looks like my factory ergo clears have a bump in the same place. Never noticed, maybe lucky
I have old clears and some of my keycaps broke, but I blame the keycaps: they are a very brittle material. I would say in general mechanical switches like cherry are a poor design. the stems are wobbly and allows for forces to be applied on an angle. also the amount of space around the stem is so small that the keycap stem has to be very thin.
Some people really prefer older keycaps like OG doubleshots, but they aren’t for everyone. It’s funny after going from newer switches with very tight stems I prefer the feeling of cherry. All preference though!
👀👍! really like how the video is structured and organized! love to see long form keyboard videos, especially when it's beautifully shot with nice lighting and good camera angles!
A client of mine asked me if MX purple still has this issue, and even though it is fixed, I cannot risk it. The way you pulled those keycaps on stock clears and purple is scary. That tool is useful!
Purples fit tight on some PBTfan PBT caps but none got stuck or anything or cracked the keycaps. Great review, if I used more Cherry switches I would pick one of these up.
The absolutely best switches that I've ever used are Evergilde Dark Jades / Moyu Black They are just so absolutely godly. I have a keyboard with MX Purples too, but they're just OK. I definitely wouldn't swap my Moyu Black switches for them.
I made a video about this MX Clear issue a few years ago; glad to know that there is now a tool that can fix these stems. Do you find this tool annoying to use because it's blunt and has no sharp cutting edge?
@@extrapriuspleaselegit set up a bunch of restock notifications to try to keep an eye out! I think I bought from the first batch of purples, and have been looking for a trimmer ever since (only to not see them in stock anywhere)!
Great material! I've been waiting for someone to document it, as the Geon Trimmer is out of stock. I bought 2 batches, but haven't been using it yet. You made it very clear to me that I have to wait for it a bit. Thanks!
I've never heard anyone talk ability Cherry's quality (those weirdly crappy springs lol), but the specific nylon mix they have is definitely something special. Whether or not it's your style is a different question, but it's not debatable that it at least exists and has a fairly unique character
I think I could list more than a handful of reasons why I choose cherry over other brands tbh. Also, I think there’s something really appealing about putting your time into them. Makes it all worth while when they come out how you want.
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Pinning some insight from Mr Druah who helped clarify why Clears / Purples have this issue:
"The cause of clears/purples keycaps are these 4 nubs present on the stem of those. The rest of the stem is the same thickness as other cherry switches but it's just those nubs causing issues. You can experiment with that by putting a keycap on while viewing the switch from below and you'll see that when the keycap touches the 4 nubs on the way down, it becomes much harder to press down. While near the top it's pretty easy. Cherry clears were originally meant to be used in industrial settings where the keycaps were never meant to be taken off
Cherry/glarses technically aren't wrong when they said "iT woN'T CrACk KeYcAPS" but in practice it's very easy to crack keycaps on purples/clears if you mount them frequently enough or pull them out at a bad angle."
Here is an image where you can see these nubs in the middle of the stem: pbs.twimg.com/media/GBFht8qWsAAf3I9.png
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@@CBA_88 LMAO
this video needs to get out there, not only to introduce clears to more people but to make geon restock the trimmer 😂 I've been waiting for a restock for months
Honestly straight up. It’s been OOS for so long. Appreciate it a bunch :)
Or to hopefully reach cherry and they fix this issue at the source
Still OOS or they sold out before I could get one :(
@@HoodSwami Still OOS sadly...
And finally I got one!!🎉
MX Clears are one of the most underrated switches these days. Love how they sound!
tustoms approved!
That’s why they are in my Dodici 🤌
@@silvernbeige This exact build was discussed in the extrapriusplease youtube, and was considered good by Merisi, the designer of this keyboard, himself.
same as MX silent still.
So is the issue Clears or Ergo Clears? I don’t know if I missed something but during the keycap pulling part you said Ergo Clears, but now that there are Cherry factory Ergo Clears, I wasn't sure if it was both or 1 or the other
Edit: just checked, looks like my factory ergo clears have a bump in the same place. Never noticed, maybe lucky
Yeah they both have the bump! Ergo clears just have a lighter spring but are the same switch and are considered a new rendition because of this.
If only the geon trimmer was ever back in stock
Yeah… hopefully soon
I have old clears and some of my keycaps broke, but I blame the keycaps: they are a very brittle material. I would say in general mechanical switches like cherry are a poor design. the stems are wobbly and allows for forces to be applied on an angle. also the amount of space around the stem is so small that the keycap stem has to be very thin.
Some people really prefer older keycaps like OG doubleshots, but they aren’t for everyone. It’s funny after going from newer switches with very tight stems I prefer the feeling of cherry. All preference though!
👀👍!
really like how the video is structured and organized! love to see long form keyboard videos, especially when it's beautifully shot with nice lighting and good camera angles!
Appreciate your kind words mr oaker!!
A client of mine asked me if MX purple still has this issue, and even though it is fixed, I cannot risk it. The way you pulled those keycaps on stock clears and purple is scary. That tool is useful!
@@janedrinesteban5687 yeah they didn’t fix the issue sadly.. tool is a life saver!
@@extrapriusplease that's a bummer
Really informative and level-headed video, thanks for breaking all this down!
Of course! Thank you for the kind words :)
Would you know of another way to trim stems aside from using this tool?
@@Cooj11 I can’t recommend anything else. People have used metal keycaps, but this could take so long and might hurt your finger in the process
Great video Evan, since you're on the topic of answering questions I need answered, can you let me know if you're single?
I am single and I accept your offer. Just need my dad @aaalyx to sign off on this
Purples fit tight on some PBTfan PBT caps but none got stuck or anything or cracked the keycaps. Great review, if I used more Cherry switches I would pick one of these up.
Oh that's good to know! Thank you so much for your kind words
Why does cherry not fix this issue?
Probably expensive to retool the stem I would guess. Pinned a comment above with some more context!
The absolutely best switches that I've ever used are Evergilde Dark Jades / Moyu Black
They are just so absolutely godly. I have a keyboard with MX Purples too, but they're just OK. I definitely wouldn't swap my Moyu Black switches for them.
Fair enough! Tactiles are definitely harder to nail down your preference
I made a video about this MX Clear issue a few years ago; glad to know that there is now a tool that can fix these stems. Do you find this tool annoying to use because it's blunt and has no sharp cutting edge?
Oh no way! I’ll check it out. Tool is great to use! Zero issues with it.
great video. I have a bunch of purples and clears and the difficulty of getting the keycaps off without trimming has never been a dealbreaker for me.
Hey thank you! I feel you and like that opinion. I’m the complete opposite and have never used clears without trimming
you should try to add and remove the keycaps over and over again to see how many cycles it takes for the keycap stem to break
lol I don’t wanna be the one to try this haha
fellow clear lover here. didnt know this tool existed, cool!
"pair of keycaps" lmao
Leave it to my goofy ahh
Could I just sand down those nubs on the stem with a file as an alternative to trying to find a geon stem trimmer?
I wouldn't recommend it sadly... You could see if anyone has one local to you? Or ship your switches to someone who could shave them for you.
Great video! Praying that the Geon stem trimmer comes back in time soon 😭
Thank you! Honestly I’m surprised it’s been OOS for this long…
@@extrapriuspleaselegit set up a bunch of restock notifications to try to keep an eye out! I think I bought from the first batch of purples, and have been looking for a trimmer ever since (only to not see them in stock anywhere)!
Damn! Hopefully there is a restock soon@@ImOnMy116
@@extrapriuspleasehaha, thank you!! 🙏🏽🙏🏽 Great to see your guide on this though, super encouraging!
@@ImOnMy116 of course! Hope you can snag one
love this vid. i been wanting to try out ergos/purples for a while and was concerned ab this !
u should do more vids like this
Thank you! I’ll try and think of some other videos like this. Also if you have suggestions, holler!
yo thank you so much for this video! Might give my purples the trim treatment before I use them
Course! Highly recommend doing so if you have the tool or can borrow one from someone local
ok bsun raw tactiles also are tight when I take out the caps switch just comes out with the keycaps like 😐
Oh no lol time to get a trimmer!
Do you think that using the stem trimmer would work for the hirose orange switches?
Yes I do! I’ve heard of people using this for these switches.
Great material! I've been waiting for someone to document it, as the Geon Trimmer is out of stock. I bought 2 batches, but haven't been using it yet. You made it very clear to me that I have to wait for it a bit. Thanks!
Thank you so much! Yeah I would 100% recommend trimming if you can be patient. It’ll pay off for sure.
I didn't even know abourt this, good thing I don't have either switch yet...
Highly suggest trying clears or purples if you can trim them!
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Insightful test!
Love this!!
Nice vid mate, love the commentary, keep it up
Appreciate it!!
Great video man!
Thanks my dude!!
This is awesome evan!!!!
Thanks vin!
Nice video bro
Thank you legend :)
7:29 ohhhhhhhhhh
LOL
People be like “oh but the cherry quality” and then have to spend 5 hours modding every aspect of the switch
I've never heard anyone talk ability Cherry's quality (those weirdly crappy springs lol), but the specific nylon mix they have is definitely something special. Whether or not it's your style is a different question, but it's not debatable that it at least exists and has a fairly unique character
I think I could list more than a handful of reasons why I choose cherry over other brands tbh. Also, I think there’s something really appealing about putting your time into them. Makes it all worth while when they come out how you want.
no one says oh but the cherry quality tho
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The music is disgusting and detracts the viewer from the video.
lmfao
no bitches
You should share a link to one of your videos where you do all the things “right”.
agree. 100%. if EPP used country music then i'd consider subscribing. blasphemous.
just mute my videos dude, better for you that way :) @@dariann
Using sandstorm for this test kek
I’m on fweak mode