Burnham on Blair: "He made some mistakes." He took the UK to war on false pretenses and in direct violation of UN resolutions, which led to the destabilising of the Middle East, the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, the displacement of millions of people--the effects of which are still deeply felt to this day! He made some mistakes, indeed.
+Raskolnikov32 His Thatcherite economic policies of corporate greed, consumer debt, banking deregulation and risk-taking bonus culture made the credit crunch hit UK hard. That destroyed Labour's economic credibility, although it would have happened with a Tory government too. Where Blair did well in the early stages was with genuine Labour policies, e.g minimum wage, but what made Blairite Labour now unelectable was his right wing agenda and failings, including growing inequality, creeping privatisation, betrayal of the working class and the Iraq war which is still causing massive problems today.Kendall and Cooper will lose huge numbers of potential Labour voters, but only Corbyn offers suitable policies for the common good, is true to decent socialist principles and is electable as a prime minister of integrity.
+mizofan Yes, Tony Blair's initial governance weren't bad at all. Sure Start, minimum wage and investment were great. His Thatcher-rite policies didn't cause the crash, Margret Thatcher did. His position to not change the thatcher-rite policies could have stopped the crunch.
+Curtis Morgan Yes, I chose my words to say his policies made the crash much worse for UK, but Thatcherism/Reaganomics were the underlying cause of the crash..
Rufus Burne I know, its like they cant see it. Corbyn takes a night bus home from a rally? I wonder how much Corbyn paid the guy who took the photo. Its such an obvious publicity stunt, especially considering the fact that nobody is going to criticize a 66 year old politician for claiming expense to get a taxi home from a political event in the middle of the night in London. People loved Blair way more than Corbyn back in the day, I remember it, I have never seen the country get so enthused about one politician. Now they hate him....
Its strange, one of the big criticisms andy, liz and yvette have had for jeremy is that he isnt a viable candidate to be prime minister, he is literally the only labour leader candidate who i can even picture making a phone call, let alone leading a country.
That's simply because they are deflecting and trying to sway public opinion by peddling the same propaganda, funnily enough it's exactly the same line the Tories are using....I wonder why that might be....
I love how they all pretend jeremy is saying withrdraw from the world when what he's actually saying is 'Look we're not an empire anymore, plenty of other former imperial European countries have accepted the new world, dont posture like a big boy anymore and get things doing via multilateral agreement and working together as old, wise and respected nations.'
JC easily out shines others through his knowledge and honesty. No matter who is shouting at him his replies are calm and composed. We found a true leader who have some just principles and now it's our responsibility to fully back him.
+Farhan Maqbool yes,we need to get behind,don't just vote for him,join the party and become a member and go to the local meetings,push our agenda through and stop any attempt at a coup-de-tat on the new leader if he gets the job,see if they can fix this one!!
+Farhan Maqbool Exactly, but be prepared for hard times as Jeremy starts to fight this, things will get alot harder before they get easier, there will be plenty of powerfull people opposing Jeremys stance
No sensible, intelligent person could disagree with Jeremy Corbyn's policies. Liz, Andy and Yvette protect the establishment first, Jeremy puts the people first. Simple...
Jeremy was brilliant on the cannabis question. Just said it how it was whilst all the others beat around the bush. This is what politics is longing for.
The only person worth listening to was Jeremy Corbyn. It never ceases to amaze me how folk can develop the ability to talk incessantly without saying much...that is pretty much the stock in trade of the other three, and in fact of most politicians. Jeremy is the right man for Labour.
+Gary John Just like we would love everyone to speak English while body swerve having to learn any other language, isn't there a lot being said about integration (shedding all 'other' cultural baggage) while clinging by the finger nails to our own? Should our citizenship of a country have pre eminence over our ethnic differences, or should we all live in ethnically homogenous countries? Just an honest question..I won't claim to have a perfect answer.
I think people are a little harsh on Andy Burham, I think that he shows a bit of heart in this debate. Still doesn't and can't offer what Corbyn does. Most off-putting person in the room though is Adam Boulton he's like a giant smirking slug.
+Alexander Douglas-Scott Corbyn is the champion of the people and a TRUE socialist. This is exactly what britain needs right now, and it will definitely pay off.
i hear corbyn speak and the humanity, the genuineness, the clarity of thought, comes across loud and clear. The other three…they're not Tories, thats unfair, but theres a sense of trying to hard, a certain stiffness, phoniness, soundbitey as hell.
+steve62482 Corbyn is genuinely knowledgeable on the topics concerned, that is why he can simply say is stuff whilst giving off a genuine Ora. The others don't actually know all that much, so the language they use are carefully chosen which is inadvertently coming across as untrustworthy.
Pause the screen on 3 of the four candidates and a layer of huge self-doubt is revealed, yet if we are to pause the video on Corbyn we see a man who loves rather than is scared of the crowd!
+stapolar It's not fair to try to write off Cooper's ideas and accomplishments as being from or because of her husband. I didnt vote for her, and I wouldnt want to see her become leader, but she is her own person and deserves the credit for whatever she does.
+stapolar Yes, exactly- her question completely backfired on her because people can see the good sense in what Corbyn has to say and have seen the failure and unfairness of right wing economic policies and austerity cuts which Cooper has supported.
+mizofan Correct. QE is a proposal from Jeremy and not a policy. She vigorously ranted against his proposal not because she believes that it is a bad one, but to simply drain votes away from him. She kept talking about the 40% cuts the Tory government is making, but she too supports austerity.
Jesus Christ, Yvette Cooper in the last five minutes is so very infuriating, trying to belittle Jeremy Corbyn by putting on the passionate performance act with that expression of pseudo-concern she is so fond of. There is nothing wrong with Jeremy's economic ideas, it's not false hope at all, it's called C H A N G E, something that career MPs are a bit weary of.
Great debate, bit sly of old Andy to steal Corbyn's policy on the railways, but then why am I surprised... Cooper got SERVED at the end and it was awesome!
I cringe whenever Cooper, Kendall and Burnham open their advertising firm-friendly mouths, ugh. And they dance around the subjects sooo much looking for the best safest middle-ground answer, it's pathetic.
+Roger Krokus we want corbyn in. labour will be screwed. thank God they ain't in power. can't even run a leadership contest properly. they've only had four months
MineCast Sion67 An unelectable extremist who hijacked their party has already served as prime minister - her name was Margaret Thatcher www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/an-unelectable-extremist-who-hijacked-their-party-has-already-served-as-prime-minister--her-name-was-margaret-thatcher-10482479.html
+MineCast Sion67 Invest to produce growth? Yes, that's some strange kind of fantasy. I'm glad we have the Tories cutting budgets by 40%, invigorating the economy by removing all those wages from it. Poor people just don't know what to do with money, they only spend it...
MineCast Sion67 I think my sarcasm was not so obvious :-) Investing £1 in public spending brings back £2.50 ; no wonder the Tories have managed to increase the deficit : fullfact.org/factcheck/economy/has_uk_debt_doubled-41769 Don't think of Jeremy's plans as "spending" ; that implies going to town and blowing it all. Think of it as "investing" in this once-great nation. www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2015/wp1595.pdf "public investment raises output in both the short and long term, crowds in private investment, and reduces unemployment, with limited effect on the public debt ratio" - The IMF.
How annoying is yvette on the subject of Jeremy's economic policy? I just don't understand what her point is can someone please explain? She says we need a strong labour alternative to austerity but what is that? Jeremy is the only one who has detailed his economic plan (as far as I'm aware but correct me if I'm wrong) so why should anyone listen to her when she doesn't seem to know her own policies and opinions yet? She disregards his plan as 'printing money', but is quantitative easing not taking place at present? ( again, correct me if I'm wrong; these questions are not rhetorical I am genuinely confused 😂) and I was under the impression that the only real difference between the current form of quantitative easing and Jeremy's 'people's quantitative easing' was that in the latter the money would be spent on useful long term infrastructure that would benefit the country short and long term in order to make a sustainable economy? So the banks are already printing money are they not?
+Pip nsdnvuis Yes, he wants QE for investment and the people, instead of lining the pockets of bankers and the rich. And the debt can be paid off by clamping down on tax evasion. Cooper simply wants austerity-lite, a policy which was a main reason for Labour's election defeat.
The Fed has just stopped printing money the ECB is still printing. Because we have the same problem as we had in the 1930s:- deflation, central banks have no choice to keep printing money to stop their economies from collapsing so Cooper is talking complete bullshit!
+Pip nsdnvuis The problems with Jeremy's economic policy is that it was tried in the 70s and failed miserably. QE is not printing money, It is the government buying stocks ect to attempt to stimulate the markets. What Jeremy is suggesting s paying for investment in public services by PRINTING MONEY which undeniably creates inflation and always ends in tears. Only the Bank OF England has the ability to create currency and Jeremy wants it to create it out of thin air to pay for public services. Now Anti Austerity does not necessarily involve QE, it is based on the views of Keynes that the government can stimulate the economy. However bear in mind that Keynes was a CAPITALIST. What is worrying about Jeremy Corbyn is that he appears to be a socialist and socialism has been tried the world over and has never worked (rember the old Chile vs Venezuela meme). So rember that the man who single handedly invented government stimulus was a capitalist.
+Ben “The Southern Capitalist” Wright Corbyn believes only the utilities and rail should be taken into public ownership because they are natural monopolies and the private companies running them are ripping us all off and robbing us, and opinion polls including Tory voters agree. So what is so "extreme" about that? Secondly quantitive easing is creating credit not "printing money", only 2% of money exists as coins and notes. In the 1970s the biggest problem was inflation but the problem now is deflation as in the 1930s so "printing money" has no effect on creating inflation accept on assets such as property.
Jeremy Corbyn. A man with Ideas I can get behind. How far removed from the last labour leader. Tomorrow's result could be the beginning of a long awaited positive change to this country.
I love Jeremy Corbyn and what he stands for. He stands for public services like the NHS, he stands for helping the people who need it, he prioritises the poorest over some fatcat businessman who has about as much character as a dead mosquito and they havent worked hard they've been given some private education by their rich parents. #JC4PM
@@Xanti97 1 week away until his resignation speech. The legacy of Corbyn's leadership under Labour will be 5 more years of a failing government with Boris Johnson as our Prime Minister. It is a pity both parties can't lose. What a mess.
It's strange listening to the 3 Tory lite candidates it's like they don't understand the way the party is changing. I personally will be very happy to finally have a choice when I vote in 2020 rather than Tory or Tory lite
MineCast Sion67 Andy Burham is probably the most safest of all of them, although he needs to get some confidence. He looks like a scared puppy. Cooper and Kendell they will lose with 100%. They are trying to be Tony Blair and as such they come off as disingenuous. Corbyn can be fine if he moderates his views. People want nationalization. They just dont want his pro immigration BS and trident scares people.
Diversity leads to ethnic conflict eh? That's like saying everyone should live in isolation to each other because people living in close proximity to each other has also led to conflict, where it be tribal, ancestral, familial, etc. The two most devastating conflicts of all time have come from whites essentially fighting other whites, think the two world wars which both stated in Europe and were essentially built around which white country would reign supreme. Conflict has shown itself to be part of our DNA but to avoid it we have to start forging a sense of togetherness, hence organisations such as the UN and the EU. It's about broadening our consciousness and being inclusive rather than focussing on division. If we think of ourselves as all being cousins, as Tony Benn once put it, then we're less likely to go about trying to murder each other to gain our own advantage. So I say Asia for people, Africa for people and Europe for people. I was no more a supporter of Mugabe evicting whites from Zimbabwean land than I an of Spain evicting Muslims from their country in the 15th and 16th centuries. It's inclusiveness, not division, which will lead to peace. Racial harmony and inclusiveness. A world where we are united by our common humanity, not divided by pigmentation.
***** Anti-white, how absurd. My melanin level makes make appear white yes, does that mean I have to repress history? Or allow my skin colour to infuse me with a sense of superiority for my little corner of the world rising to prominence in recent history via plundering the rest of the planet? Get real, I'm not white, i'm a humanist. It's the 21st century.
This is why I voted Corbyn as my first preference He may not always have the answer people want to hear, but he's the only one to actually answer questions straight and my respect for him for that is through the roof I only voted Burnham as a #2 to keep spineless Cooper and Kendall out - all they do is talk about how they're women and they're actually thick enough to believe that's good enough
the thing that i hate is that i agree with Jeremy on his economic positions like on taxing the rich, wealthy company's and on renationalisation , abolishing university tuition fees but on immigration and on nuclear disarmament i don't. somebody should form a party with those positions.
stretchmorgan it was a rape. Liz Kendall and Yvette Cooper actually suck. Especially liz and least Yvette has a strong position and disagrees solidly with Corbyn . I can’t stand to look a liz Kendall honestly.
stretchmorgan honestly Jeremy destroyed them it was almost painful and embarrassing to watch. The other 3 couldn’t say anyhting to him as he used logic and reasoning and facts to tear the, apart. A pit he just went downhill from there, since that he’s done terrible in TV debates and interviews against the conservatives
31:33 he’s right. He’s completely right. Look what happened. His victory was stolen. I get jeremys stance but he’s too alienating. He worried people. The way in to making the changes they want possible is to do in a way that persuades people, not shoving it onto them and scaring them.
I smile at the answer Andy Burnham has to the question would he be prepared to compromise his political principles to get elected. He said no, but what he should have said is what are they?
6 mins in and Corbyn puts Boulton in his place - Kendall ballses up the figures - and caring Cooper pulls the Blairite smile that she seems unable to avoid go Corbyn the land is ours
I hate to be the ignorant American in the room, but to me Corbyn's opponents all seem more polished. That may in fact be their worst trait, they all seem like politicians. Corbyn seems to me less like a politician, and more like a professor or philosopher.
The right wingers are trying to claim that Yvette Cooper savaged Jeremy Corbyn's economic policy near the end of this debate? But personally I thought she looked a bit hysterical and desperate, precisely because she couldn't put a glove on him... Funny how subjective things are, eh?I think she has swallowed the whole Tory 'Austerity Narrative' hook, line and sinker! And she literally has nothing else in her own armoury to fight Jeremy Corbyn with.Ironically enough, I thought she seemed a decent sort, until this leadership campaign started that is. And I didn't know who the hell Jeremy Corbyn even was! But the more I have seen of them speaking, the less I liked Yvette Cooper and the more I trusted and respected Jeremy Corbyn!He has my support!
Oh lordy, I swear, not a single one of the other candidates actually heard anything that Corbyn said. They took the most extreme version of what he was saying (aka what he was not in fact saying), and attacked that, which just made them look like foolish imbeciles. Especially Liz Kendall, she seemed to take Corbyn's views as a personal offence. Meh who cares now, he won! The return of socialism is here!
The level of support for JC is phenomenal...the other 3 candidates are obsessed with the conservatives, referencing them in most their responses where as Jeremy plainly and simply puts forward his policies
I am self employed and rely on people having spare money in their pocket, currently it's a struggle as people are struggling, i think Jeremy is the only one who talks about getting the money into peoples pockets, instead of this struggle we all face at the moment.
I don't know how much of the shallowness of Liz Kendall and Yvette Cooper and Andy Burnham is down to sheer thickness and how much to the latest McTernan makeover.....
As for Blair ... Something changed him... He's no angel but when he met Bush his whole persona changed . We need to keep in mind we don't know about everything that happens in the world and if we did we would have to make some brutally hard decisions that no one should have to.
+Kiel Robinson blaire had secrets that was used against him like a lot of politicians that'swhy the tow the party line...that 'show politics works and that's why westminster has institutional peadophiles running amock in there
Corbyn is the BEST A Great Leader and a superb person .. I am not from UK but listing to this debate find that after a long time some real honest person is coming in the politics May God bless Corbyn and give him long life and health to deliver
I love how Politicians talk about the importance of democracy and accountability, yet not one of them is willing to be accountable to proposing supporting ANY bills? What's democratic about asking people to vote with nothing to be accountable to?
One of the big criticisms Andy, Liz and Yvette have had for jeremy is that he isnt a viable candidate to be prime minister. But what they fail to realise, is that they are even less so! It is our country's misfortune to be living in an age of mediocrity, which is exemplified by Cameron and Osbourne. ( Although in their case, it's a collective lack of imagination and intelligence rather than any intent.)
TRIDENT is not an independent weapon. It has to be used in conjunction with the US management system. Without the say so of Uncle Sam we cannot use it.
+Mark Cunningham It's pointless anyway. No-one who wants to conquer the UK would nuke us, because they'd make the land unusable. There's no way we'd nuke anyone except as retaliation (the UK public would not allow it), and the only people who'd nuke us are terrorist groups with no viable nukeable targets anyway. And the bloody thing is a liability : wikileaks.org/trident-safety/ Boats are falling to bits, security is lax, sometimes they can't even conduct readiness drills. The only reason they keep it around is because it makes money for contractors.
+Steve Parker Who are the British supposed to fight? The British Empire is long gone. Working class wages are 5% of GDP military spending is 4.5% why don't the British dump the military by helping poor countries and doubling the wages!
That's fine but move them to England. But the question remains who are the enemy? The only conceivable enemy is the USA who want all countries to bend the knee. The colonialisers have been colonised by the colonials!
My problem with JC is that he comes across a little Naive on some topics. He says a lot of idealistic things (which is nice to hear) but then when ever a level of practically is requested he gets flustered and lists the problems but little solutions.
+Kiel Robinson Which in particular? Jeremy is the only one who has proposed a solution in terms of the economy. Yvette kept reiterating about the 40% cuts from the Tory government (in which she too supports austerity) to which she hasn't proposed a solution. All she did is go on a rant on Corbyn's proposal - and it is a proposal. She vigorously tried to discredit QE (which she supported to prop up the banks) simply to try and make Jeremy look bad and take away votes for her to gain.
Kiel Robinson Right possibly, but answering a question in a quick fire debate should not be the defining position. The people making the decisions will be sat in the room conferring with other people thinking this situation through. I think Jeremy is looking at this from a humanitarian view rather than a buisness one.
+Kiel Robinson He has pointed out the tens of billions of pounds in annual tax evasion that can be reclaimed for investment and paying off the national debt. The other politicians, who supported the economic policies which caused the credit crunch, want varying degrees of damaging austerity instead of addressing the massive tax evasion.
+mizofan again a question not being asked is why they can get away with it? And again it comes back to the fact that we rely on the big corps for jobs in a country that has no identifiable industry . If we claim the money back through tax from say topman they tighten their belts stop investing in their company thus stop employing people there for more people out of work. Look at Oreo moving to Mexico last week. They do it and the banks do it because the UK economy needs them. An idea is to request a commitment from these companies to invest in the people with the money they are saving.
Burnham on Blair: "He made some mistakes."
He took the UK to war on false pretenses and in direct violation of UN resolutions, which led to the destabilising of the Middle East, the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, the displacement of millions of people--the effects of which are still deeply felt to this day!
He made some mistakes, indeed.
+Raskolnikov32 His Thatcherite economic policies of corporate greed, consumer debt, banking deregulation and risk-taking bonus culture made the credit crunch hit UK hard. That destroyed Labour's economic credibility, although it would have happened with a Tory government too. Where Blair did well in the early stages was with genuine Labour policies, e.g minimum wage, but what made Blairite Labour now unelectable was his right wing agenda and failings, including growing inequality, creeping privatisation, betrayal of the working class and the Iraq war which is still causing massive problems today.Kendall and Cooper will lose huge numbers of potential Labour voters, but only Corbyn offers suitable policies for the common good, is true to decent socialist principles and is electable as a prime minister of integrity.
+mizofan Yes, Tony Blair's initial governance weren't bad at all. Sure Start, minimum wage and investment were great. His Thatcher-rite policies didn't cause the crash, Margret Thatcher did. His position to not change the thatcher-rite policies could have stopped the crunch.
+Curtis Morgan Yes, I chose my words to say his policies made the crash much worse for UK, but Thatcherism/Reaganomics were the underlying cause of the crash..
+Neil Wright *un-affordable, dang it
mizofan Right, absolutely agree!
It's so funny how all 3 combined can't even get close to Corbyn.
Because Corbyn is the only one who is telling the truth unlike other three
+shamanahaboolist He's the tutor and they're his first year students.
+shamanahaboolist that's why they never let him really answer a question.
Rufus Burne I know, its like they cant see it. Corbyn takes a night bus home from a rally? I wonder how much Corbyn paid the guy who took the photo. Its such an obvious publicity stunt, especially considering the fact that nobody is going to criticize a 66 year old politician for claiming expense to get a taxi home from a political event in the middle of the night in London.
People loved Blair way more than Corbyn back in the day, I remember it, I have never seen the country get so enthused about one politician. Now they hate him....
+Scuba Sausage is a shill. Tory paid toff......
Can't believe we as a country have gone back to Tory lite. Corbyn was the best PM we never had.
Lol keep enjoying your Internet candidate
Nah he was a clown, good motives but rubbish leader
Its strange, one of the big criticisms andy, liz and yvette have had for jeremy is that he isnt a viable candidate to be prime minister, he is literally the only labour leader candidate who i can even picture making a phone call, let alone leading a country.
+jake bramham Spot on bud.
+jake bramham True dat
That's simply because they are deflecting and trying to sway public opinion by peddling the same propaganda, funnily enough it's exactly the same line the Tories are using....I wonder why that might be....
True
Lol 😂
Yvette Cooper wants to go forwards, not backwards; upwards, not forwards; and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!
+Alex Charlton Futurama?
Kay Mac
Simpsons.
+Alex Charlton Bill Clinton? :P
I love how they all pretend jeremy is saying withrdraw from the world when what he's actually saying is 'Look we're not an empire anymore, plenty of other former imperial European countries have accepted the new world, dont posture like a big boy anymore and get things doing via multilateral agreement and working together as old, wise and respected nations.'
JC easily out shines others through his knowledge and honesty. No matter who is shouting at him his replies are calm and composed. We found a true leader who have some just principles and now it's our responsibility to fully back him.
+Farhan Maqbool yes,we need to get behind,don't just vote for him,join the party and become a member and go to the local meetings,push our agenda through and stop any attempt at a coup-de-tat on the new leader if he gets the job,see if they can fix this one!!
+Farhan Maqbool Exactly, but be prepared for hard times as Jeremy starts to fight this, things will get alot harder before they get easier, there will be plenty of powerfull people opposing Jeremys stance
No sensible, intelligent person could disagree with Jeremy Corbyn's policies. Liz, Andy and Yvette protect the establishment first, Jeremy puts the people first. Simple...
Jeremy was brilliant on the cannabis question. Just said it how it was whilst all the others beat around the bush. This is what politics is longing for.
+Joseph Loftus beat around the bush lol
+Soloman1001 I was just making an observation on that particular issue. His straight talking is actually reflected in all the policy he discusses.
+Soloman1001 He's allowed to have his priorities wherever he wants. Don't be patronising.
Did I ever say it was a priority? Classic rightist taking things out of context and demonising anyone who doesn't share the same views.
"probably users"
That's not a very good argument. What specifically about using cannabis invalidates someone's desire to use it legally?
The only person worth listening to was Jeremy Corbyn. It never ceases to amaze me how folk can develop the ability to talk incessantly without saying much...that is pretty much the stock in trade of the other three, and in fact of most politicians. Jeremy is the right man for Labour.
+Gary John Just like we would love everyone to speak English while body swerve having to learn any other language, isn't there a lot being said about integration (shedding all 'other' cultural baggage) while clinging by the finger nails to our own? Should our citizenship of a country have pre eminence over our ethnic differences, or should we all live in ethnically homogenous countries? Just an honest question..I won't claim to have a perfect answer.
+Gary John Well.. em I apologise for being born then?
***** your just a racist.
He's also the right man for the conservatives since he's the one they want to win. If Corbyn wins the conservatives have a lock on 2020.
+Thom Alexander hence Cameron's two very public u-turns in the last week on refugees and Syria.
I think people are a little harsh on Andy Burham, I think that he shows a bit of heart in this debate. Still doesn't and can't offer what Corbyn does. Most off-putting person in the room though is Adam Boulton he's like a giant smirking slug.
+Alexander Douglas-Scott Corbyn is the champion of the people and a TRUE socialist. This is exactly what britain needs right now, and it will definitely pay off.
He's achieved NOTHING, and is soon to leave parliament
i hear corbyn speak and the humanity, the genuineness, the clarity of thought, comes across loud and clear. The other three…they're not Tories, thats unfair, but theres a sense of trying to hard, a certain stiffness, phoniness, soundbitey as hell.
+steve62482 Corbyn is genuinely knowledgeable on the topics concerned, that is why he can simply say is stuff whilst giving off a genuine Ora. The others don't actually know all that much, so the language they use are carefully chosen which is inadvertently coming across as untrustworthy.
Pause the screen on 3 of the four candidates and a layer of huge self-doubt is revealed, yet if we are to pause the video on Corbyn we see a man who loves rather than is scared of the crowd!
All 3 are desperately trying to trip Jeremy up and back him into a corner INCLUDING the host who is meant to be unbiased, i can smell the fear :)
+jackson fenty I know, it's embarrassing to watch. Shame on the BBC.
Is that the fear that Labour would get its worst result since 1935?
Yes and he did such a good job of losing many times !
Good to see the future Prime Minister debating with Cooper, Kendall and Burnham.
+Roger Krokus Dream on Walter Mitty
+Jeff Jones 60% in the first round..... I guess he was correct....
Funny!
Nathan-DTS how about now
LOL! He led Labour to their worst result since 1935!
Cooper tried to put one over Corbyn with her question (I reckon old Balls influenced it) and he left her red faced
+stapolar It's not fair to try to write off Cooper's ideas and accomplishments as being from or because of her husband. I didnt vote for her, and I wouldnt want to see her become leader, but she is her own person and deserves the credit for whatever she does.
+stapolar Yes, exactly- her question completely backfired on her because people can see the good sense in what Corbyn has to say and have seen the failure and unfairness of right wing economic policies and austerity cuts which Cooper has supported.
+mizofan Correct. QE is a proposal from Jeremy and not a policy. She vigorously ranted against his proposal not because she believes that it is a bad one, but to simply drain votes away from him. She kept talking about the 40% cuts the Tory government is making, but she too supports austerity.
***** It's exactly that, I winced when I heard her say the Tories 40% cut was an ideology, I was screaming saying austerity is an ideology!
Jesus Christ, Yvette Cooper in the last five minutes is so very infuriating, trying to belittle Jeremy Corbyn by putting on the passionate performance act with that expression of pseudo-concern she is so fond of. There is nothing wrong with Jeremy's economic ideas, it's not false hope at all, it's called C H A N G E, something that career MPs are a bit weary of.
Great debate, bit sly of old Andy to steal Corbyn's policy on the railways, but then why am I surprised... Cooper got SERVED at the end and it was awesome!
+Jxxx Shaw She is like a clueless drone, ever so mundane, why would anyone ever vote for her?
I cringe whenever Cooper, Kendall and Burnham open their advertising firm-friendly mouths, ugh.
And they dance around the subjects sooo much looking for the best safest middle-ground answer, it's pathetic.
+muntaman007 its called "dance of the emporers new clothes"
Corbyn got all 47 of my votes. £3 for a vote really was a bargain.
+E.T. Jog on Tory.
+E.T. Get a life
Yes, spend over 300 quid on a candidate that's already won! That'll show them!
+Roger Krokus we want corbyn in. labour will be screwed. thank God they ain't in power. can't even run a leadership contest properly. they've only had four months
My last comment. Five words. Hezbollah segregated trains nuclear deterrent all these will screw him in a national election. Rip labour. 1900-2015.
Jeremy was way ahead of any of this lot
Corbyn would've been a great prime minister, much better than starmer, though anything is better than the tories
Jeremy killed it in this debate. Glad he got the last - and strongest - round of applause at the end.
MineCast Sion67 An unelectable extremist who hijacked their party has already served as prime minister - her name was Margaret Thatcher
www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/an-unelectable-extremist-who-hijacked-their-party-has-already-served-as-prime-minister--her-name-was-margaret-thatcher-10482479.html
+l337z0r Jeremy Corbyn is no extremist. He simply knows were he stands. He has no extreme agenda, logical well thought out policies
+MineCast Sion67
Invest to produce growth? Yes, that's some strange kind of fantasy.
I'm glad we have the Tories cutting budgets by 40%, invigorating the economy by removing all those wages from it. Poor people just don't know what to do with money, they only spend it...
MineCast Sion67 I think my sarcasm was not so obvious :-)
Investing £1 in public spending brings back £2.50 ; no wonder the Tories have managed to increase the deficit : fullfact.org/factcheck/economy/has_uk_debt_doubled-41769
Don't think of Jeremy's plans as "spending" ; that implies going to town and blowing it all. Think of it as "investing" in this once-great nation.
www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2015/wp1595.pdf
"public investment raises output in both the short and long term, crowds in private investment, and reduces unemployment, with limited effect on the public debt ratio" - The IMF.
MineCast Sion67 its ok just vote labour.
Kendall, Mrs Balls and Burnham couldn't run a party in a brewery. Jeremy Corbyn is head and shoulders above them all.
How annoying is yvette on the subject of Jeremy's economic policy? I just don't understand what her point is can someone please explain? She says we need a strong labour alternative to austerity but what is that? Jeremy is the only one who has detailed his economic plan (as far as I'm aware but correct me if I'm wrong) so why should anyone listen to her when she doesn't seem to know her own policies and opinions yet? She disregards his plan as 'printing money', but is quantitative easing not taking place at present? ( again, correct me if I'm wrong; these questions are not rhetorical I am genuinely confused 😂) and I was under the impression that the only real difference between the current form of quantitative easing and Jeremy's 'people's quantitative easing' was that in the latter the money would be spent on useful long term infrastructure that would benefit the country short and long term in order to make a sustainable economy? So the banks are already printing money are they not?
+Pip nsdnvuis Yes, he wants QE for investment and the people, instead of lining the pockets of bankers and the rich. And the debt can be paid off by clamping down on tax evasion. Cooper simply wants austerity-lite, a policy which was a main reason for Labour's election defeat.
+mizofan thanks for explaining!😊
The Fed has just stopped printing money the ECB is still printing. Because we have the same problem as we had in the 1930s:- deflation, central banks have no choice to keep printing money to stop their economies from collapsing so Cooper is talking complete bullshit!
+Pip nsdnvuis The problems with Jeremy's economic policy is that it was tried in the 70s and failed miserably. QE is not printing money, It is the government buying stocks ect to attempt to stimulate the markets. What Jeremy is suggesting s paying for investment in public services by PRINTING MONEY which undeniably creates inflation and always ends in tears. Only the Bank OF England has the ability to create currency and Jeremy wants it to create it out of thin air to pay for public services.
Now Anti Austerity does not necessarily involve QE, it is based on the views of Keynes that the government can stimulate the economy. However bear in mind that Keynes was a CAPITALIST. What is worrying about Jeremy Corbyn is that he appears to be a socialist and socialism has been tried the world over and has never worked (rember the old Chile vs Venezuela meme). So rember that the man who single handedly invented government stimulus was a capitalist.
+Ben “The Southern Capitalist” Wright Corbyn believes only the utilities and rail should be taken into public ownership because they are natural monopolies and the private companies running them are ripping us all off and robbing us, and opinion polls including Tory voters agree. So what is so "extreme" about that? Secondly quantitive easing is creating credit not "printing money", only 2% of money exists as coins and notes. In the 1970s the biggest problem was inflation but the problem now is deflation as in the 1930s so "printing money" has no effect on creating inflation accept on assets such as property.
Watching this is incredible - every candidate get only gets small smattering of applause, while everything Corbyn says is applauded to hell.
Jeremy Corbyn. A man with Ideas I can get behind.
How far removed from the last labour leader.
Tomorrow's result could be the beginning of a long awaited positive change to this country.
"I've got a strong conscience..."
"So do we all Jeremy, so do we all."
"*Wink*"
I love Jeremy Corbyn and what he stands for. He stands for public services like the NHS, he stands for helping the people who need it, he prioritises the poorest over some fatcat businessman who has about as much character as a dead mosquito and they havent worked hard they've been given some private education by their rich parents. #JC4PM
p45 now lol
" they havent worked hard they've been given some private education by their rich parents" just like Corbyn..
Jeremy absolutely wiped the floor with all of them on this
Corbyn for President, yes, President.
I think Bernie Sanders will more than accommodate that need.
+PurushaDesa why not both?
+Charanijt S actually considering Jeremy is open to a republic rather than a monarchy there could very well be a President of the UK one day.
+Mark Cunningham LOL! That's a great answer. Especially since at the time of writing he hasn't won the Labour Leadership contest yet.
+Mark Cunningham Nonsense. The majority of the British public are enthralled by the Monarchy.
1:15:49 catch that wink? Future PM right there.
1 week away boi
@@Xanti97 1 week away until his resignation speech. The legacy of Corbyn's leadership under Labour will be 5 more years of a failing government with Boris Johnson as our Prime Minister. It is a pity both parties can't lose. What a mess.
Well he just gave labour their worst performance since 1935, what a great guy
Didn’t age well
@@mrethanhenwood9784 5 year old comment man, come on. We were all young and idealistic once...
When Corbyn speaks, the facial expressions of the other three scream;- 'I SO wish I had said that.'
It's strange listening to the 3 Tory lite candidates it's like they don't understand the way the party is changing. I personally will be very happy to finally have a choice when I vote in 2020 rather than Tory or Tory lite
The guy in the audience at 43:20 hit the nail on the head. Jeremy is the only worthwhile candidate there.
retnuHDJ Well he just gave labour their worst performance since 1935, what a great guy
Liz is so hateable she should be in WWE as a heel.
MineCast Sion67 Andy Burham is probably the most safest of all of them, although he needs to get some confidence. He looks like a scared puppy. Cooper and Kendell they will lose with 100%. They are trying to be Tony Blair and as such they come off as disingenuous. Corbyn can be fine if he moderates his views. People want nationalization. They just dont want his pro immigration BS and trident scares people.
Just watching this again in 2019 in the hope that the proceeding 4 years will magically follow a different route.
I wish Jeremy had just come out for brexit.
there was more problems than just brexit
He abandoned his principles like a coward, and he paid the price for it.
Virtually every poll showed Labour polling worse with a PRO brexit stance than a pro-referendum one...
@@kljmaqHe never abandoned his principles.
Good ole Corbyyyy. Slapping them down with class & humility.
Corbyn won!
By a country mile! He's such a breath of fresh air!
+Gary John I think the true hellhole would be to spend more than 5 seconds with an individual such as yourself.
Diversity leads to ethnic conflict eh? That's like saying everyone should live in isolation to each other because people living in close proximity to each other has also led to conflict, where it be tribal, ancestral, familial, etc.
The two most devastating conflicts of all time have come from whites essentially fighting other whites, think the two world wars which both stated in Europe and were essentially built around which white country would reign supreme.
Conflict has shown itself to be part of our DNA but to avoid it we have to start forging a sense of togetherness, hence organisations such as the UN and the EU. It's about broadening our consciousness and being inclusive rather than focussing on division. If we think of ourselves as all being cousins, as Tony Benn once put it, then we're less likely to go about trying to murder each other to gain our own advantage.
So I say Asia for people, Africa for people and Europe for people. I was no more a supporter of Mugabe evicting whites from Zimbabwean land than I an of Spain evicting Muslims from their country in the 15th and 16th centuries. It's inclusiveness, not division, which will lead to peace. Racial harmony and inclusiveness. A world where we are united by our common humanity, not divided by pigmentation.
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Anti-white, how absurd. My melanin level makes make appear white yes, does that mean I have to repress history? Or allow my skin colour to infuse me with a sense of superiority for my little corner of the world rising to prominence in recent history via plundering the rest of the planet? Get real, I'm not white, i'm a humanist. It's the 21st century.
Well he just gave labour their worst performance since 1935, what a great guy
Corbyn is a knock-out! Inspired me all the way over here in Australia.
This is why I voted Corbyn as my first preference
He may not always have the answer people want to hear, but he's the only one to actually answer questions straight and my respect for him for that is through the roof
I only voted Burnham as a #2 to keep spineless Cooper and Kendall out - all they do is talk about how they're women and they're actually thick enough to believe that's good enough
the thing that i hate is that i agree with Jeremy on his economic positions like on taxing the rich, wealthy company's and on renationalisation , abolishing university tuition fees but on immigration and on nuclear disarmament i don't. somebody should form a party with those positions.
Mark Knight immigration is good for the economy
Mark Knight not wanting immigrants for cultural reasons is fine, but not wanting immigrants for their skin colour is not ok
Corbyn smashed this debate so hard. It should be required viewing for every UK citizen.
stretchmorgan it was a rape. Liz Kendall and Yvette Cooper actually suck. Especially liz and least Yvette has a strong position and disagrees solidly with Corbyn . I can’t stand to look a liz Kendall honestly.
@@anish7183 Yvette Cooper is slightly mad I think. Quite useful if carefully directed though.
stretchmorgan honestly Jeremy destroyed them it was almost painful and embarrassing to watch. The other 3 couldn’t say anyhting to him as he used logic and reasoning and facts to tear the, apart. A pit he just went downhill from there, since that he’s done terrible in TV debates and interviews against the conservatives
The lack of aplause at 31 minutes... Rofl.
Poor Yvette's vicious attack, lies and pretense, backfired towards the end...its a no brainer. Glad the public caught on.
If he had just said remain in the brexit debate then we may of fared better. It's not a time to just sit on the fence.
Jeremy absolutely destroyed them all and won the debate by far but, his socialist views are wrong.
Yep socialism is wrong. As the Conservatives pay 80% of the entire economies wages
Old is gold and Jeremy Corbyn is gold and the man for my vote
31:33 he’s right. He’s completely right. Look what happened. His victory was stolen. I get jeremys stance but he’s too alienating. He worried people. The way in to making the changes they want possible is to do in a way that persuades people, not shoving it onto them and scaring them.
Some peoples mistakes dont result in the deaths of thousands of people.
the moderator is terrible, he's cutting people of mid sentence when he has not right to do so.
i like corbyns tactic of using facts and logic
I smile at the answer Andy Burnham has to the question would he be prepared to compromise his political principles to get elected. He said no, but what he should have said is what are they?
Yvette "Balls" is a complete pro when it comes to dodging questions.
So is Burnham, seems like he has to twist the questions to make it something he prepared earlier.
6 mins in and Corbyn puts Boulton in his place - Kendall ballses up the figures - and caring Cooper pulls the Blairite smile that she seems unable to avoid
go Corbyn
the land is ours
There would be no requirement for increasing taxes, if all corporations paid their taxes. If the people have to pay taxes, so do the corporations.
I hate to be the ignorant American in the room, but to me Corbyn's opponents all seem more polished. That may in fact be their worst trait, they all seem like politicians. Corbyn seems to me less like a politician, and more like a professor or philosopher.
The right wingers are trying to claim that Yvette Cooper savaged Jeremy Corbyn's economic policy near the end of this debate? But personally I thought she looked a bit hysterical and desperate, precisely because she couldn't put a glove on him... Funny how subjective things are, eh?I think she has swallowed the whole Tory 'Austerity Narrative' hook, line and sinker! And she literally has nothing else in her own armoury to fight Jeremy Corbyn with.Ironically enough, I thought she seemed a decent sort, until this leadership campaign started that is. And I didn't know who the hell Jeremy Corbyn even was! But the more I have seen of them speaking, the less I liked Yvette Cooper and the more I trusted and respected Jeremy Corbyn!He has my support!
keen gro Nope! I must have missed that? But thanks for the information! It adds to my decision about her. I really should have googled her first...lol
What did those people say at 1:02:40 ?
Oh lordy, I swear, not a single one of the other candidates actually heard anything that Corbyn said. They took the most extreme version of what he was saying (aka what he was not in fact saying), and attacked that, which just made them look like foolish imbeciles. Especially Liz Kendall, she seemed to take Corbyn's views as a personal offence.
Meh who cares now, he won! The return of socialism is here!
Must be going soft in the head. Actually feeling sorry for Kendal she is so pitiful
come on Corbyn
The three establishment candidates got very animated about Europe
Speaks absolute volumes about whose interests they really represent
Can someone reupload this with Liz Kendall's answers edited out?.. Such a waste of time... infuriating!
Relaxed an self assured knowledgable leader VS a fear mongering panic attack
The level of support for JC is phenomenal...the other 3 candidates are obsessed with the conservatives, referencing them in most their responses where as Jeremy plainly and simply puts forward his policies
I wonder how long liz Kendall practiced all her answers in the mirror for?
i love how theres allways a spike of argee in the graph whenever corbyn opens his mouth :D
The other 3 are a joke. Desperately trying to say the right things with very little integrity.
Corbyn is the best for Labour and he needs to win, the only politician I have truly liked
Corbyn is a legend already. So impressed by him. A truely honest human being.
I think andy B 's words were very prophetic !
Jeremy corbyn smashed it.. this is the man that can take Britain into a new era of fairness
Tariq Jabbar Well he just gave labour their worst performance since 1935, what a great guy
#Jeremy4Leader
Jeremy Corbyn is simply the rockstar in these debates, personally in my view he's not a PMs material but he talks absolute logic
I can't believe the Labour party is doing a thing like this on Sky television ... bring back Crossman, Wilson, Castle and Williams.
But drugs are so much fun!
How can this man Jeremy Corbyn not be our PM???
1) He dithered on Brexit. 2) He tolerated (or was perceived to tolerate) antisemitism. 3) He was mates with terrorists.
@@CanadianMonarchist1. Fine. 2. Those were lies. 3. That’s a lie.
@@dominicchallis2928 Perhaps they were lies, but many people believed them.
Corbyn wiped um out.
59:40 is my favourite part
haha andy burnham trying to be inspirational, i was nearly sick
liz kendall is absolutely awful!!!!
Bonds are only worth what a person is willing to pay for them. Build your house on paper and see what a fire does to it.
I am self employed and rely on people having spare money in their pocket, currently it's a struggle as people are struggling, i think Jeremy is the only one who talks about getting the money into peoples pockets, instead of this struggle we all face at the moment.
I don't know how much of the shallowness of Liz Kendall and Yvette Cooper and Andy Burnham is down to sheer thickness and how much to the latest McTernan makeover.....
Thanks
As for Blair ... Something changed him... He's no angel but when he met Bush his whole persona changed . We need to keep in mind we don't know about everything that happens in the world and if we did we would have to make some brutally hard decisions that no one should have to.
+Kiel Robinson blaire had secrets that was used against him like a lot of politicians that'swhy the tow the party line...that 'show politics works and that's why westminster has institutional peadophiles running amock in there
+keen gro I imagine he is aware of a lot of things , but like I said he suddenly looked spooked .
the end is the best. jeremy's a cool cat ;)
Corbyn is a kung fu master!
is this from the 90´s?
Corbyn is the BEST A Great Leader and a superb person .. I am not from UK but listing to this debate find that after a long time some real honest person is coming in the politics May God bless Corbyn and give him long life and health to deliver
31:33 say no more.
I love how Politicians talk about the importance of democracy and accountability, yet not one of them is willing to be accountable to proposing supporting ANY bills? What's democratic about asking people to vote with nothing to be accountable to?
One of the big criticisms Andy, Liz and Yvette have had for jeremy is that he isnt a viable candidate to be prime minister. But what they fail to realise, is that they are even less so! It is our country's misfortune to be living in an age of mediocrity, which is exemplified by Cameron and Osbourne. ( Although in their case, it's a collective lack of imagination and intelligence rather than any intent.)
I'm absolutely beaming after watching this debate. The universal support for Jeremy Corbyn is loud and clear.
TRIDENT is not an independent weapon. It has to be used in conjunction with the US management system. Without the say so of Uncle Sam we cannot use it.
That's an even bigger reason to get rid of it then.
+Mark Cunningham
It's pointless anyway.
No-one who wants to conquer the UK would nuke us, because they'd make the land unusable.
There's no way we'd nuke anyone except as retaliation (the UK public would not allow it), and the only people who'd nuke us are terrorist groups with no viable nukeable targets anyway.
And the bloody thing is a liability : wikileaks.org/trident-safety/
Boats are falling to bits, security is lax, sometimes they can't even conduct readiness drills.
The only reason they keep it around is because it makes money for contractors.
+Steve Parker Who are the British supposed to fight? The British Empire is long gone. Working class wages are 5% of GDP military spending is 4.5% why don't the British dump the military by helping poor countries and doubling the wages!
That's fine but move them to England. But the question remains who are the enemy? The only conceivable enemy is the USA who want all countries to bend the knee.
The colonialisers have been colonised by the colonials!
Jeremy corbyn
My problem with JC is that he comes across a little Naive on some topics. He says a lot of idealistic things (which is nice to hear) but then when ever a level of practically is requested he gets flustered and lists the problems but little solutions.
+Kiel Robinson Which in particular? Jeremy is the only one who has proposed a solution in terms of the economy. Yvette kept reiterating about the 40% cuts from the Tory government (in which she too supports austerity) to which she hasn't proposed a solution. All she did is go on a rant on Corbyn's proposal - and it is a proposal. She vigorously tried to discredit QE (which she supported to prop up the banks) simply to try and make Jeremy look bad and take away votes for her to gain.
Kiel Robinson Right possibly, but answering a question in a quick fire debate should not be the defining position. The people making the decisions will be sat in the room conferring with other people thinking this situation through.
I think Jeremy is looking at this from a humanitarian view rather than a buisness one.
+Kiel Robinson He has pointed out the tens of billions of pounds in annual tax evasion that can be reclaimed for investment and paying off the national debt. The other politicians, who supported the economic policies which caused the credit crunch, want varying degrees of damaging austerity instead of addressing the massive tax evasion.
+mizofan again a question not being asked is why they can get away with it? And again it comes back to the fact that we rely on the big corps for jobs in a country that has no identifiable industry . If we claim the money back through tax from say topman they tighten their belts stop investing in their company thus stop employing people there for more people out of work. Look at Oreo moving to Mexico last week. They do it and the banks do it because the UK economy needs them. An idea is to request a commitment from these companies to invest in the people with the money they are saving.
Kiel Robinson Yeah, agreed
Watching this in 2019, so sad Jeremy is not PM!
lol
@@danbh84 lol
hell of alot of hot air