I feel like Illumination plays it "too safe" with most of their movies in my opinion. They need to reach out and explore more like what they did in the Mario Movie more often
@@Mal-go5dl The whole franchise is very safe and protected by Nintendo, who, went after TH-camrs that dared to uploads songs from their games.. Some channels went shut-down because of how abusive they are.
Nintendo is nowhere near, as evil a corporation as Disney, Nintendo didn't level a lawsuit at a grieving parent for putting one of "their" characters on a headstone
@@Marigold-iy7vy are you referring to the hacker that'll be forced to pay Nintendo for the rest of his life? Cause if so, that's literally one, single person
One personal pet peeve I have towards Illumination is all the filler that they cram into their films. Because the plots are so paper thin, the filmmakers have to stretch the runtime out just to hit that hour and a half mark, making the pacing really slow, and adding nothing to the story in general. The Mario movie had the opposite problem where there was thankfully no filler because there was so much going on, but the pacing was so fast that everything in the film was extremely underdeveloped. So either way, Illumination makes some of the most empty-feeling movies in all of animation history.
To quote Guillermo del Toro. Definitely want to save Hollywood for getting my dream job and stop all this madness in today's world. "ANIMATION IS CINEMA."ANIMATION IS NOT JUST A GENRE FOR KIDS."
I really want animation to be identify as a style or platform and not a genre. Because animation don't have a set structure or field it must follow. It's a style. A style is not a genre.
It’s also what Brad Bird, the director of the incredibles and The Iron giant said. “Animation is a Medium, not a genre”. He alway talks about how you can do anything with it, and his movies are usually for adults first and kids second.
I hate illumination bc i feel like they are part of the “animation is for kids” problem. They drag down the art form and since these are some of the most popular animated movies it cements in peoples minds that its JUST for children.
@@WakerOfTheCryingRain yes they are partially part of that issue, but the thing is they can be watched by anyone and not just children. they also made fuckin spider verse which shook the animation medium to its core
And who’s responsible for letting that happen? If only dreamworks and Pixar had the same level of marketing as illumination’s, animation wouldn’t be view as “for kids”, for instants dreamwork’s Megamind is a masterpiece yet that movie flopped because they didn’t give a shit about its marketing and THEY STILL DIDN’T LEARN THEIR LESSON FROM THAT RUBY GILLMAN MOVIE which was a huge flopped I also heard the movie itself was terrible they could’ve been like “oh shit despicable me had made more money than our Megamind film let’s have our future movies have stronger marketing” it’s doesn’t matter how good your movie is if no one knows about it that’s why awful movies are making more money than good movies because good movies don’t give a shit about marketing, people know more about the minions because they’re marketing is EVERYWHERE that’s how they’re popular meanwhile Pixar and dreamworks movies are less popular because they focus more on quality rather than quantity instead of balancing both quality and quantity
@@thegiftedfire3470 Illumination may be a stupid, safe, and child friendly studio, but at least they arent doing anywhere near what Disneys been doing.
There's a difference between Nintendo and Disney. Disney completely ignores criticism in newer movies but Nintendo does acknowledge and listen to some feedback but ignore haters
"People want to justify the Mario movie as a great film when it's actually not." People can think the movie is good and can have reasons as to why. This is subjective. The people who did get upset at critics were unreasonable, but that doesn’t change the fact that just because they think the movie is good, that doesn’t mean they're "wrong."
@@FloraDArtCat Just checked the reviews and only 82 critica reviewed It. Only 82, that's why It has a High Number because many critics out of 82 (aka 71) gave It a good score, now you mighr Say that's still unreasonable but actually 82 critics Is a really low amount normally a movie has thousands of review by critics but this One only has 82. Simple
Woah, easy. Nintendo is not more evil than Disney. They're old school. Besides, Illumination does make audience appeal despite the upbeat tone and quality level of their movies.
Yeah, Nintendo has made plenty of questionable decisions in the past and many of those like opting to use cartridges for the N64 and using mini DVDs for the GCN only affected themselves. And I know they sent plenty of C&D letter to fans making videos and games based on their IPs, but I wouldn't say they're worse than Disney. For once, Disney is a bigger company, they have a history of bad employment practices, they once tried to trademark the Spanish name for the celebration of the Day of the Dead, they have ruined they careers of many child actors and in Mulan's live-action credits they thanked the government of a Chinese province where there're concentration camps
@@pablocasas5906 Wow I never knew that about Disney, but all good points on why Disney isn't a good company. Like they literally fired the former voice actor of Peter Pan, Bobby Driscoll, to a life of drugs.
@@pablocasas5906Nintendo implented that 2010's partner program where reviewers reviewing their games needed to share their profits and thankfully from enough backlash, Nintendo recieved the message goid enough to eventually cancel it
I have to admit that I find Illumination's rise as one of the most successful animated studios kind of fascinating. I remember seeing the teaser for the first Despicable Me movie many years ago, and while I saw the movie much later in television I couldn't understand how popular it got until the second movie came out and the Minions begans appearing everywhere. As someone who has a lot of younger relatives, many of them grew or are growing watching Illumination movies like the Despicable Me/Minions, Secret Life of Pets, Sing and now the Mario Movie. I would not consider their movies to be awful (except for Hop and maybe The Lorax), but they haven't done anything excellent either, I only consider Sing 1 and 2 and the SMB as the only movies from them that I actually enjoye and would watch again Illumination's movies can't compete in a story level with even the weakest of Pixar movies or the best of DreamWorks Animation, they don't even reached the heights of other CG studios like Sony and BlueSky. I still think they have potential of doing something great with all of the talented artists working for them
The best movies of DreamWorks absolutely blast Illumination‘s movies out of the stratosphere. A How To Train Your Dragon, Kung Fu Panda or Puss in Boots 2 cannot even be compared to Illumination‘s junk. That‘s like comparing Gordon Ramsay‘s best dishes to an industrial BigMac.
@@finalmountain I'm more of a "live and let live" kind of guy. That's not to say I won't offer a helping hand or pursue a mutually beneficial venture when I'm able, but I'm not so arrogant as to think I know what's best for everyone else, so I leave them to their own devices.
It's better to have higher standards in everything than enjoy generic garbage and feel kind of happy. Like those obese men and women from "WALL-E" who kind of sort of enjoy their lives even though their lifestyle is complete hell.
To this day I still am holding a grudge against illumination for cutting out the song “Biggering” and deluded the original message of the Lorax by turning it to a cheesy, pop musical love-story. If illumination would’ve given the project to anyone else the movie could’ve been a sick corporate, rock-opera kids film that remained faithful to the original concept; considering it’s Dr.Suess’s DARKEST works and Illumination butchered it more than they have by advertising it with car commercials..
Plus, when The Lorax (2012) came out It was based on The Lorax (Original/1972) was very dark. I prefer 2012 The Lorax because It has the best song called "How bad can I be". *Sorry, if I'm wrong*
I know Nintendo did horrible things over the years, like betraying Sony, ending their relationship with Rare on a sour note, and ripping off the Super Mario 3D All-Stars game. But I don't think it's any more evil than Disney with their diversity nonsense and milking other properties they've acquired.
they want to shove diversity down everyone's throats, especially with the peter pan movie and mermaid 23. I mean they succeded in making diversity films back then with zootopia, moana, soul and even sony knows how to shine light to "diversity" without being a shtty corporate with the use of spiderverse(the gwen trans issue is a twitter thing and I don't hate the hints of it at least its not as obnoxious as disney)
The fact that there are only 2 good Illumination movies (Despicable Me and Mario) is kinda depressing. EDIT: Yes, I know Mario isn't a great film. I just think it's a pretty decent 6/10 movie, which is kind of a letdown because I really expected this to be an 8/10. Still, it's good but not great. Also both Sonic movies are better than the Mario movie.
@@mardenborough. It was a bizarre mess featuring a mid plot with much to desire, getting the characters wrong, bad dialogue, out of place music, and the worst sin of all: having Seth Rogen play Donkey Kong. The only saving grace was the Easter Eggs.
@@markofthewolvessucks8930 Is that the only example that people can come up with? As severe and unfair the punishment for that guy is, you can at least understand why they targeted him of all people, even if you don't understandably agree with the penalty given. And I find it *very* hard to believe he didn't receive a warning to stop what he was doing, the guy must have ignored it.
Illumination tends to embody everything I've grown to dislike about most modern big budget CGI animated features, except somehow more bland and uninspired. I've only seen two of their movies in theaters to date, Despicable Me and The Lorax, and what was featured in those, along with the audience and critic ratings of their other movies, was more than enough to tell me what to expect about the rest of the studio's works. And even the Mario movie, from what I've seen and heard about it, sounds like it'll be kinda underwhelming. Also, to anyone that tries to justify Illumination for producing "harmless movies for kids", that feels like a disservice to what kids are capable of accepting. I do disagree with your statement about Nintendo being more evil than Disney, though. Sure, Nintendo has its flaws, but at least they still care about producing good content and appealing to the fans, unlike modern era Disney.
@@maniacaldude Sony Pictures Animation had the best character development I've ever seen from an animation studio... I wish the better for Illumination some time.
"Nintendo is a more evil corporation than Disney" While both companies definitely have their issues...hard disagree. Nintendo didn't slash 4000 people's jobs, give people less options for studios to get movies made at in the future and less possible distributors to go to in the future and buy out one of their competitors and put their whole company in massive debt just to have a bigger streaming catalogue and rights to several legacy characters and ips. They also didn't sue a dead child's parent's for putting one of "their" characters on their tombstone. And yes they made 3D allstars, but remember that the Disney Vault was a thing.
Also the former Nintendo President cut his own salary in half so no one would need to be let go during the failure of the Wii U. He believed no one should suffer for his mistakes and that the system not selling well was his fault.
@@mosaicarts828 It's a mixed bag as many western CEO's actually make their money through stock options. Bezos, for instance, had a very modest 'salary' as Amazon's CEO. like $80,000 I'm not saying Iwata was playing games (okay I didn't mean for that to be a pun!), but you have to look closely at these cases to see if it's sincere or just posturing for good publicity. If he did it as a means of direct compensation to other employee, I'm inclined to believe that it come from an honest place.
That would be true, if some Saturday morning cartoons didn't have absolutely banger stories (looking at you justice league and justice league unlimited, and you too batman the animated series)
Illumination’s entire brand is playing it safe with bright colors, pop music and pleasing animation. It doesn’t make you think, it’s a cookie cutter movie for kids. This includes the Mario movie.
I can't say I agree with Nintendo being more "evil" than Disney. At least Nintendo doesn't make a monopoly like Disney does. They also didn't thank a bunch of terrorists just to make entertainment. Also, Nintendo has more time to breathe when it comes to content. Disney makes and distributes so much that their *NON-REMAKE* live-actions films don't seem to get proper treatment. They're often unsuccessful in the box office *(since the 1950's)* and are often some of the most hated movies in history.
Yeah, Nintendo has so much integrity when it comes to 90% of their first party titles that I can tolerate their misdeeds, because they’re ultimately providing me a net positive of what I want to see from them. And they may be bonkers rich and still charge annoying prices on certain things, but they’re not a monopoly and I’m glad they’ve been mostly not participating in the AAA studio buyout arms race that’s been going on with the big tech game companies.
Many people think that "kids' movie" and "family movie" are the same when it's actually not. Kids' media is media regarded mainly for just kids whose purpose is distract them like a babysitter when everyone else is busy such as Sesame Street. Some kids' media are actually great for kids and have high quality to teach them important life lessons but most of them are just as meaningless overstimulation like dangling keys at their faces. Some aren't just only baby shows as some kids' media can target mainly older kids before puberty, that features jokes and references only familiar from that age demographics. I don't consider teen media (not Highschool musical since that's actually for tweens) to be kids' media as they can get very adult, explicit and edgy as hell, especially foreign teen media can get much more than just romance. Family movies' main purpose however is to bring families of all ages together that is not only for kids. They can explore dark themes even though it's not that obviously explicit and too heavy handed but like in a poetic way like many other movies do for general audiences.
And casual animated fan, the fandom itself like me consume much animated content but rarely talk about it since they find it ...ehh is mid in a good way. Which explains why I love rio 2 through catering to that specific cartoon fanbase
The good news is that illumination is starting an adult animated films studio with the goal of expanding their audience. But since illumination has a very one-sided approach when it comes to making entertainment, I'm VERY concerned about how "Moonlight " would make these "adult" films. However, I'll keep my mind open because I like illumination for what they are. I don't LOVE them compared to DreamWorks, but they're not THAT bad.
Why don't they just combine those two parts as Illumination? I think having it all under the Illumination banner would be easier to organize the content, which is why I'm against banners like Touchstone.
Hate is a strong word. Illumination makes movies strictly for kids. Understandably critics will not like it, that doesn’t mean you should hate the studio. U can just ignore them
Yeah like imagine hating a studio just because you don't like their childrens movies?? Like I understand hating a company if they or their CEO did or participated in something shady, of course...
illumination films come from the idea that children are dumb and cannot handle mature themes and topics. they're obviously more susceptible to childish marketing like the minions, but they should not be deterred from being exposed to serious subject matter in much the same way that classic disney movies did. when you make films specifically for children and don't allow them to get a glimpse of how the world works, it will become harder for them to develop emotionally
All this hate hate hate for Illumination is pissing me off. Some humans can be very intolerable and then they have no right to have to fear for the worst when it comes to Illumination. It's next film, Migration is coming and it looks very good and also looks different compared to other films in the Illumination catalog. On Twitter, someone tweeted Migration has a good plot and people are like, "Illumination is COOKING!" and they're not wrong.
It's not a bad animation studio for say. The studio just doesn't try and it plays it safe. Pretty much basic compared to Pixar and DreamWorks. Maybe if they tried more they could have a bit more respect as a competitor.
@@Cyberkidd1000Look Peaches was good, but honestly man TH-cam shorts kinda soured it for me, I was ready to move on and then Lil babies started replaying Peaches all over again 😭
I surprisingly enjoyed the new Mario movie (and this is coming from someone who also doesn’t care for Illumination’s work). The animation looks more vivid and alive than their previous movies and I’m glad Nintendo was there to make sure that it pays proper respect to the source material it’s based on. Even though I think of Illumination as the McDonald’s of animation, financially successful all over the globe but making cheap junk, the new Mario movie was like that spicy chicken sandwich I had at a McDonald’s in Maryland that wasn’t bad and appeared to be made of actual chicken for once! Low bar to clear, but the Mario movie cleared it.
To this day I don't have any Illumination films I like. I think they're just having fun RN, but they've got a ways to go to reach the legacy of Dreamworks, Pixar, and Disney.
Hey, Nintendo has done a lot of inexcusable, consumer-unfriendly things for sure, but I don't think it's fair to call them worse than Disney. One of these companies still releases good products, and the other company is Disney.
@@DrAnxiety17 Turning Red sucked. Elemental sucked. Mandalorian started sucking after the first two seasons. A few good titles might pop up here and there but Disney's batting average just ain't what it used to be now that the old guard is retiring and the lunatics are running the asylum.
The Mario Movie wasn’t good, it wasn’t supposed to be. It was supposed to be fun, and it was. It was fun to watch your childhood game character in a movie. The story of the games was very simple so the movie was simple too.
So your saying the movie is bad if it wasn't good??? Even if it wasn't meant to be good, that doesn't make it immune to criticism. I mean enjoyed the movie when I saw it in theaters, and bought it digitally because I forgot what happened in it, and maybe it's just me, but the fun factor was just kinda gone.
#1 A movie is a narrative, that is a story. A Mario movie should have a story And #2- Mario Sunshine, Luigi's Mansion, The paper Mario Trilogy, Superstars, the ORIGINAL NES even.... they have stories to them.... even other adaptations- like the tv shows, have stories
@@trufoosxdThats obvious, because the plot is nonexistant and very bare bones. If you watched it once an saw all the neat references and characters then you are done, no need to watch it a second time.
@@jwroot yeah. And you know, it didn't need to be. The Mario games barely have story, because the important part is gameplay. This doesn't translate well into movies, so it was just a fun little hour and half of fun references and cool visuals
The first two Despicable Me films are pretty good, but the third one sucks. Minions did even worse, though The Rise Of Gru was a slight improvement. Hop was unbearable. The Lorax was okay, though not the best Dr. Seuss adaptation. The Secret Life Of Pets films are basically the Toy Story films with fur and feathers… and it sucks. The first Sing movie was great, but I really hated the second one. The Grinch made me feel absolutely nothing when watching it. And as for The Super Mario Bros. Movie… I thought it was okay, but could’ve been a bit better. Also, I’m not extremely hyped or expecting anything big from Migration.
I didn’t even remember Migration’s name until you brought it up. I just know that it “that one Illumination duck movie” that was being advertised during the trailers before the Mario Movie. Kind of dumb for Illumination to announce such an underwhelming movie after they just came back from what many consider their best work.
It's a decent movie for what it was. Just watched it this past weekend with my kids and they both enjoyed it. It's a harmless kids move, not everything needs to be a masterpiece. I love Spider verse and Puss in Boots but you gotta have something more light hearted too
@@WakerOfTheCryingRain TBF secret life of pets did have better pacing and properly developed it’s characters….something the Mario movie failed greatly in!
I feel like Illumination is bad for animation industry, because Illumination makes films only for kids, but somehow managed to get popular and made a lot of money, so when people think of animated films, they might think of a film like Minions, and because it’s a film for kids, they might think animation is for kids, which is a bad thing that might cause some company to make live action remakes or cancel animated shows…
Illumination is like that one FNAF or Minecraft TH-camr that doesn't really try all that hard, but they still have a massive audience that eats up everything they do.
@@jamestolbert1856 What about the relationship between the Brothers and the rest of their family or the whole background behind the princess? That was the biggest missed opportunities throughout the entire movie which are totally squandered because the conflict with Mario and his family are resolved then less than milisecond.
Let’s hope Illumination makes more dark and mature movies that pull no punches and hires better writers in the future and creates a masterpiece of a franchise that would redefine the studio.
I'm sure they will. I always believe in Illumination and speaking of dark and mature films, Illumination has a division called "Moonlight" where they are capable of making dark and mature films.
@@nas0518 Moonlight would save Illumination. Maybe if Nintendo wanted to do a Zelda movie with Illumination, Moonlight would be the right choice for mature Nintendo movies
I don’t think they will anytime soon. They’ve gotten way too comfortable making simple movies that appeal to kids. And Moonlight won’t be saving them either if they stick with their current writing style.
Keep dreaming. Illumination never made a dark film. Compared to Disney and DreamWorks they never made a single dark movie. And they will still choose this path of being childish
I fully respect your opinion that Illumination is a critically bad studio but you can't deny that the movie goers that pay to see movies in theaters enjoy thier work enough to keep coming back. If they were just a shallow cash grab that didn't care about thier viewers, they wouldn't have succeeded consistently. Hell, Nintendo is so strict with thier ips, the fact that the Mario movie was produced at all is a shock. You keep saying bad story bad story in each of thier work without even stating how the narrative could have been improved, or even change to make the theme the movies were trying to portray, Which is shallow criticism that doesn't challenge Illumination but goes to identify your lack of critical thinking. Such as... Despicable me 1 is about a man who is clearly past his prime and foes through a midlife crisis when people younger than him have accomplished more than his entire career so in response he attempts to risk it all by completing an even greater feat aka stealing the moon but no one gives him a chance, thus he has to do it himself but realizes his own limitations aka losing the shrink ray and failing to retrieve it. He then finds a solution through the younger generation qith the 3 girls he soon adopts and qith thier influence he discovers a sense of longing he never knew before meeting them which eventually leads to him giving up what he thought he wanted for what he needed. Despicable me 2 continues his journey not to improve his own life but to improve his daughters lives by finding a female role model for them because he knows that he alone isn't enough to parent 3 kids. As for improvements, the villian plot was disconnected and used more as a medium for gru's love story, thus it felt narrative weak. What could have improved it was the themes in the movie of gru financially supporting his family due to his lack of employment, the villian could of used dr nefario to enlist gru to commit crimes in order to support his family but also with gru trying to have a relationship with his love interest but attempting to balance both finding a mother for his kids and providing for his kids, this duality being the central core of the movie where gru has to chose between 1 or the other. This way, the stakes are much higher and the villian plot would have been woven in more organically. Thats how you identify a problem with the narrative and develop a solution that would make sense Thematically instead of vaguely saying the story was bad. The lorax and grinch were extended adaptations that added more to the original story, yes they lost the point with the local and the new plot they added was just straight up filler, really, they could have just cut out the Ted plot and focused primarily on building the oncler and extending the destruction of the forest. The grinch was fine for what it is but the issue is that compare to its original iconic interpretation, this grinch turning good had less of an impact. Dialing up his "mean" personality would have made things more like the original. The point of all of this is that if you want to preach about how "person a" (aka Illumination) makes bad stories, be sure to call out the parts you hate and state your opinion on how it could have been better instead of providing essentially nothing to the conversation.
@@jwroot You realize the people that you think Disney is messaging to are generally unimpressed with them as well, right? Like a hang around in pretty progressive leaning circles and we joke the every Disney Movies is 'first ever Disney movie to contain an LGBTq couple . . . for five seconds in a deleteable scene". It's not a message, it's just a signal. Disney itself also clearly doesn't understand or care about these things beyond their superficial signaling potential. Part of why the Owl House was so great as a piece of LGBTq aligned fiction is that Disney didn't even realize they were making it. So it was allowed to breath and be its own thing. But what's better than Lesbian Witch Jesus fighting Protestant Satan (as in a protestant dude who turned himself into a satanic deceiver) for the lives of everyone living on the island sized corpse of a dead demon? XD Disney : "Oh no, we just meant put up some rainbow flags for pride month!"
First of all,not everyone can make a movie as good as Puss in Boots :The Last Wish so there's that Second,atleast they're enjoyable unlike a particular company that keeps milking nostalgia
They *can* make films as good as _The Last Wish_ by being fun and meaningful. They just need to do it their own way, and they don't even have to be stylized.
@@Simbala-bq5vy the OG Lion King was the GOAT back in the Disney renaissance era and it still is now,because everyone hates the live action remake of it
@@AllenTheAnimator004been recommended 2 videos where 1 dog each cried at the Mufasa death scene. A film so impactful from 1994 that real dogs felt sad by. No way is the 2019 remake having half that impact
Request: Could you make a video about the redemption arc of Sony Animation? Ever since I watched "Across the Spider-Verse," I knew that Sony did so much better with their recent movies lately ever since they released "Into the Spider-Verse," but now they're absolutely killing it. I also love the fact that now the company is actually trying to make good stories by hiring filmmakers, storytellers, and animators who are super passionate about their projects. And they're even trying new things too! For example, "Vivo" was Sony's first animated musical, so I'm pretty sure the company accepted it because they never actually did a musical before, and because Lin-Manuel Miranda was working on it for too long, they must have felt really confident about the movie because Lin is the guy who wrote the songs for "Moana." And for "Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse," the company actually hired a 14-year-old boy to animate the Lego dimension because they were so blown away by the way he remade the teaser trailer in Lego form that they couldn't help but hire him. And of course, they hired too many talented people to work on "The Mitchells VS The Machines," and that movie almost won an Oscar for many good reasons. I've never laughed out loud during a movie more than I did with "Mitchells." I guess Sony really tried to improve from their past, especially when they made the laughingstock that was "The Emoji Movie." They went from an animation studio that almost fell apart thanks to their bad movies *(except for "Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs." That movie was amazing)* to an animation studio that tried to be better by telling better stories. And thanks to their masterpiece that is "Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse," Sony is almost beating Disney now. And I can't wait for "Beyond the Spider-Verse."
Movies don't always have to be plot-heavy or have layers of complexity to be good or enjoyable. Abominable and Arietty are proof of this. The Mario movie isn't bad, it's not even sub-par, it's an average film. Average isn't bad, it's just not high art. I watched it with a friend and we both liked it; it was exactly what I expected from an animated adaptation of a simple game franchise with little to no storytelling. It didn't have to be more than what it was; now, if they plan on making a sequel, however, then they'd have to up the ante in their writing to keep people engaged, otherwise they'll just wind up with a copy of the first movie and people won't have a reason to watch it. Plus, the lighting was quite gorgeous at times-there are scenes in this movie that made me think, "Wow, that looks beautiful," when I saw them. There's value to be found here, and I think it's Illumination's second-best film after Despicable Me. Speaking of Despicable Me, while I think the sequel was a step in the right direction, the path the studio's chosen to go on afterward is not. They seem to think that just having child or childish characters on-screen is the only way to appeal to kids, but that isn't the case at all. I think a better direction for this franchise would be to allow the girls to grow up, and deal with the various issues that arise with that-and have Lucy interact with them more as a maternal figure. Maybe even make Gru and Lucy have a son and see how that influences the family dynamic. I don't hate the minions like a lot of other people seem to, but I also don't think they can carry a whole film on their own; they work best in synergy with characters like Gru and the girls, and that's how they should keep them. I haven't watched most of this studio's other movies, and the ones I have are mediocre or outright bad. I saw Secret Life of Pets and don't remember much of anything from it, which says it all. I think Illumination are scared to innovate because it might spook away the audience that likes these films. If they don't try to experiment, who can say for sure? I'm hoping Migration tries something new to break the mold, even if it doesn't do so successfully. I also totally disagree on Nintendo being evil. They're aggressive when it comes to defending their IPs and fleece their customers by charging exhorbitant prices, yes, but they at least have some semblance of integrity and care about trying to provide their customers with something they'll like. Di$ney straight up insults its own fanbase _consistently_ and charges ridiculous amounts for low-quality goods and services, on top of trying to brainwash children-THAT'S evil. Oh, and they also collaborated with the Chinese government, including the authorities of a district which runs *literal* concentration camps. This is beyond bad optics. Nintendo focuses on pleasing its customers and doesn't try to preach to them or tell them to screw off if they don't like a product, which is why they've stayed in business for so long and why the Rat is bleeding money.
Another great studio to do a Zelda movie would be Studio Ghibli, just as long as it’s 2D and not 3D, because we all know how well Ghibli’s one 3D film turned out.
I hope the talentless uncreative hacks that only care about "THE MESSAGE" get what's coming to them. Why give these spoiled brats "fair pay" when they won't even work? If there are actual writers who think things aren't right then I'll support them, but there aren't.
Whoa whoa calm down man! Never thought I'd hear you sound THIS angry over an animated studio like Illumination. Though many of your comments about their movies were on point, I must say. To be frank, there has to come a time in the future where Illumination's quality and storytelling need to step up for the better and start appealing to both kids AND adults. P.S. "Nintendo is a more evil corporation than Disney" That's not 100% true, man.
From what I've heard from Annecy news and reactions, I think Migration could be something special, it's also kind of different visually speaking... a guy who saw the first 20 minutes at Annecy spoke very well about it: he said it remembered to him Finding Nemo as kind of story of fear and discovery... In addition, this movie is written by an Oscar-winning director, so I'm really excited
Yeah i agree with you on illumination they play it too safe with films also they definitely aim it at kids thats why i dont like there movies despicable me is only one i liked unlike Sony and dreamworks also disney and pixar they aim it for everyone for mature story like how to train to the dragon. Mario movie they did play it too safe the issue also is lackluster story and characters dont feel develop i wish they did more bond for mario and luigi. Yeah 80s music shouldnt be there. I dont want illumination touch legend of zelda they will butcher it like having link talk and pop culture references.
When will these companies realize that not all supervillians need to be sympathetic? Some people are just bad people evil. Not everyone deserves our sympathy. So sick of these same old uninspired sympathetic villains.
Unpopular opinion The Mario movie it’s kind of terrible. The plot is bare bones they set up the star to be a major plot device but it barely affects the plot it only affects it at the end. Mario barely affects the plot and if Mario was not in it The only difference is that Brooklyn wouldn’t have been nuked. Peaches whole personality is girlboss. Humour was mostly not funny The only times I laughed Were when bowser, Luigi and the luma we’re on screen. The music is awful except for the soundtrack the original soundtrack was good. There’s barely any character development. The ending is worse than shark tale. The casting was mixed.
People confuse “good” with enjoyable. Mario Movie is enjoyable but not a good movie (or at least not compelling), and that’s fine. Idk why people get so desperate to label it as good. I love Boss Baby, but it’s a horrible film😂 it’s not good but I still enjoy watching it
I was a kid when illumination started releasing their movies and no matter how garbage those movies were, I loved all of them when I was younger because children don’t really have standards for movies. I watched the minion movie so many times as a kid that I could remember the movie by heart. I’m not saying the movies are good, they’re quite the opposite, but I’ll always have nostalgia for these movies whether they’re good or not. (Also yes I did watch minions rise of gru on opening night with my friends and sister and we all wore minion costumes) I’m glad to see the Mario Movie doing so well because I really loved that movie even if it has its flaws and it wasn’t yeh best movie of all time.
@@sonicfanboy3375 That's not the point. The point is to argue against what Sophie is saying about kids not having standards for movies. I brought up _Norm of the North_ to prove Sophie is wrong about it.
Well, with mario movie, lets be honest, not all films with weak story are bad, just remember Fantasia and Fantasia 2000, two films that doesnt have even a focused story, just a compilation of great animated shorts at the rithm of the music. Mario felt like that, an spectacle instead of a pretending story, so thats why i appreaciate this film, knows its a right to the point adventure and shows exactly that with comedy involved, thats why i dont like how critic hate the idea of having not "great story" due this is one of those films like Fantasia wich doesnt need even a plot necesily to evenexist.
@@gaothhermesk1289 , not really. Fantasia made it explicitly clear in the beginning that it would not have an overarching story. The Mario Movie set up a story from the opening scene
@@John-xr9ry well Mario movie doesnt seem itself as a great story it's more like a "right to the point" aventure without deep cpnflicts or storytelling
Maybe I don't want Illumination to be anything but entertaining lol. I loved the Mario movie and I would like more from a sequel. I really believe it turned out well as it did because Nintendo kept a leash on Illumination. It's one of those studios that CAN do great things, but it needs the right people at the wheel.
The best metaphor is Illumination films are.. junk food. Sweet and tempting at first, but after eating and digesting it we get heart burn.. then the eventual agony on the can. They look pretty, and they know how to hook kids which are a big demographic. But overall after the initial theater releases the films fall flat. Again, junk food. Pretty packaging that's it.
On Illumination as a Studio, 100% agrees even Mario can't be call a masterpiece in possibly all the ways......Illumination always had this problem and that why I personally never been interesting in 90% of what they do, I only have watch 2 films of them on theaters, Despicable Me 1 and Super Mario Bros, and pretty much those 2 are the best they have done, on that regard that I hope like SONY they might learn and someday surprise us, I hope they do................now I not agree at all on what you say of Mario here, yes we all agree story wise not that great, but...the STORY....ain't BAD NEITHER, I will say Despicable Me have more bones to the story, but for what was need it for a FIRST Super Mario film in animation, I think did very well, I not think have bad characters or pacing issues as many say, sorry I saw that film 4 times I not watch BAD FILMS that many times on theater, I only have done that for films that at some degree impressed me, and Mario did, I think the animation of the film is LEAPS above everything else they have done, I actually think Mario looks better than some PIXAR recent movies, of course is not SPIDERVERSE or Puss in Boots, but again for Mario, they really did go above their skills.....now do they just need to redo that for the sequel............they BETTER NO, for a first film was good they played safe, but if they do a sequel or a ZELDA film, they better find a good writer because the honey moon face will be OVER, I'm with you on that most they have done is mediocre at best and horrible and boring at worst but of that I took out Mario and the first Despicable me films, I don't think any of these are mediocre, they both are good films, flawed but GOOD, not masterpieces but not barely passable entertainment.....I will always say both are 8 out of 10 and I don´t understand a WORLD in which a film that is 8 out of 10 is consider a BAD FILM just for not been perfect.
Let's face it the reason that the Mario movie was as successful and great as it is was because of Nintendo legitimately trying to make a movie that would lead to others not because illumination
The only good things about the Minions movie are the main villian, her husband and the villian family they catch a ride with on the way to the convention. Like honnestly, Id love an animated movie or TV series that focuses arround a seemingly normal family, but theyre secretly all supervillians or something. Like an opposite version of The Incredibles, or something.
It is intresting hearing what people on the critical side of the spectrum think about the mario movie, it's an uncommon and bold opinion and I respect it. For me, the mario movie was fine. It was a movie to just see with friends, turn my brain off and have fun. Mainline Mario games never really had a story, and I think they did enough for what could possibly been pulled from the source. Again, I respect your opinion.
Watching this video made me realize that I absolutely hate Illuminations art style. All of characters look like plastic noodles. Mario is the only one that looks good and that's solely because it's based on another style. A shame because it proves that they can make something look good but they just stick to the same ugly look.
I swear If illumination makes a Metroid Film That would be horrible because you see Metroid has a very serious tone Instead they’re gonna give it a childish tone but apparently they’re the only ones that make money
I don't enjoy Illumination that much, but there are two movies which aren't that bad in my opinion, The Lorax and The Super Mario Bros. Movie. I like The Lorax, because through some level of artistic perception, the story and message is decently good. As for The Super Mario Bros. Movie, it's what I perceive as a 'full length cartoon'. There is some story, but the primary reason is to get several good laughs. The Super Mario Bros. Movie got it right for my personal 'full length cartoon' criteria.
Wdym? If Dreamworks did a Zelda movie with the same passion and effort they put into the Last wish, I guarantee it would be ten times better than anything Illumination could ever conceive! They'd be gods in human clothing! Lightning bolts shoot from their fingertips! (Better Call Saul reference lol)
You do realize it's the studio that hires these writers and tells them what to do, right? And which studio would you think would give more freedom to their writers to write a creative story? Sure a writer may be very talented, but if the company says otherwise, they have to abide by their rules. And if Illumination really made use of their writers "talent" then I don't think we'd be seeing their current releases of movies, as of now.
@@pitaalfereti58 Well, I do realize that every writer has the possibility of messing up a film, no matter how talented he or she is. Heck, studios will never know how the writer(s) they pick will handle the script *until after the movie's release,* especially if they pick new writers that are getting started.
I understand the point of this video but honestly is there anything wrong with a “dumb” light hearted animated movie. So many animated movies nowadays try to make these deep compelling narratives about real world issues and topics. And when it’s done right it’s great. And when it’s not done right (more often than not) it’s preachy. I think there is a lack of innocent, for fun animated movies for kids and parents to both enjoy. And I think illumination fills that role nicely. Not every animation needs an Oscar worthy story or message. These are simple movies with simple premises made for children. They’re well animated (in my opinion) and I don’t think they have to be anything more than they are. Illuminations work is arguably better than a lot of what Disney or Pixar has put out recently. And while everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I respect the ones in this video, I don’t think being an adult taking a magnifying glass to these movies and over analyzing them holds much merit. It’s over thinking and it just shows you’re not the target audience.
illumination movies can be directed toward children with simple and fun plots. The thing is though the movies can sometimes (mostly) just be boring and basic.
@@arjunghose7284How? It suffers from the same writing issues as other Illumination movies, outside of pacing, in which it's the total inverse problem that Illumination movies tend to be way too bloated with filler content to pad out the runtime of a paperthin screenplay into 90s, SMB's pacing is total ADHD cramming every single member-berry to hide the fact that it hasn't thought of an actual plotline leaving all of its characters and storylines underdeveloped.
Illumination perfected Fast Food movies for families. It's cheap, safe, simple, fairly easy to mass produce, not healthy, but it's JUST tasty enough and checks enough marks for common family movie-goers to make their kids shut up for a while as well as leaving no big impact other than "haha that was fun". Not every movie has to be a "full course meal" (like Disney, Pixar or Dreamworks at their very best), and I think making the Minions (and their other properties) SO dumb and condensed to being mindless kids entertainment with emphasis on physical cartoon humour rather than witty sarcastic dialogue or being self-referential, is what makes it so easily CONSUMABLE for the most masses world-wide (crossing language barriers) because everyone universally can "safely" put the movies on without demanding the parents sit and explain their kids what's happening BECAUSE it is so bare-bones simple, even if that means undermining a great story just to dumb down the narrative so more people can follow it and not feel anything but " Aww, that's cute/sad. Haha that's funny". Illumination isn't trying to push any envelopes, it's in fact taking advantage of what will meet the middle-ground for what's assured to be a "satisfactory" experience, which will make families with SMALL small kids revisit their movies because it's a reassured source of mediocre but satisfactory entertainment. Vast majority of family people are not movie connoisseurs, won't ask why something is good or bad, the same way you won't think about how unhealthy that burger you got from Mcdonald's actually is. You just know it's branded for you to keep coming back to get another, even if it was nothing special.
I disagree on that. I don't hate Illumination at all. I like it. There are good movies made by them that I love like the Despicable Me films, Sing, and Mario. I'd say it's one of the BEST animated studio film companies alongside Disney, Pixar, Dreamworks, Blue Sky, and Sony Pictures Animation.
Aldone I’m pretty sure you’re not reading this but do you think you’ll make a video on blue sky studios? It’s all right if you don’t want to make a video on blue sky studios
I'm not a fan of Illumination, however, if they or any other studio makes a Legend of Zelda movie, ALL I WANT IS A REFERENCE TO VAATI. I NEED a reference to the grape mage! Literally the character that got me into LoZ, I don't care if Ganon is the main villain, Vaati was the only other reoccurring villain in Zelda, I just wanna see my boy getting the attention he deserves 😭 Thank you-
The first Despicable Me always made me belive that Illumination can be capable of greatness. They know their audience and that they don't have to try because money will come to them regardless, but being stuck in this endless zone of mediocrity must get hard sometimes for everyone involved. I'm probably being delusional, but If only they left a tiny bit their safe zone, we could actually get something for once that doesn't seem another cookie cutter project that puts on shame the entire animation medium.
In my mind the difference is that illumination makes kids films, most animated studios make *family* films, I heard a Hollywood director call it a "four corner film" meaning it appeals to everyone
I agree with all of this except how angrily you deliver the information. Dude, at the end of the day they are just some okay movies, you don't need to say "it's just a f***ing nerd who gets to sell air" or "their only live action film to date because of how f***ing awful it was." Do you realize you are cursing at the plot of kids movies? You're gonna be okay my friend, I think you need to grow up a little because this isn't worth getting so angry over.
I think illumination might get their Spider verse moment with Migration. Not only looks interesting for what I read about, and the art style looks different from the others but it’s director is Benjamin renner, who did the big bad fox and other tales and Ernest and Celestine. So maybe there’s still hope.
Don’t forget that the studio promised the filmmakers full control over the movie here’s what it said “That Migration promises a rather different and more auteurist Illumination offering”
Mario movie was what Mario movie was supposed to be, nothing more, nothing less Also Nintendo is not exactly a good company, but no way near as evil as Disney
I feel like Illumination plays it "too safe" with most of their movies in my opinion. They need to reach out and explore more like what they did in the Mario Movie more often
Mario movie was also very safe
@@Mal-go5dl Mario was very safe as well, but felt like a small step in the right direction at least in Illumination's standards
@@jbarunderpar
Yah, that's a fair point.
I think Nintendo is why they explored more.
@@Mal-go5dl The whole franchise is very safe and protected by Nintendo, who, went after TH-camrs that dared to uploads songs from their games..
Some channels went shut-down because of how abusive they are.
Illumination is like junk food, you like it sometimes but overall it doesn't leave a lasting impact or memorability
Haha, exactly what I said when Minions 2 dropped😂
Depends on the junk food. Pizza is considered junk food but a good pizza is damn welcome. Same for Burgers. I'd say Illumination is McDonald's.
@@nickklavdianos5136I mean there is a difference between Pizza from Italy and Pizza from Domino's
@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375as a neapolitan, this made my eyes tear up a bit, thank you😊❤
@@Aight7No problem I love Italy 🇮🇹❤️
Nintendo is nowhere near, as evil a corporation as Disney, Nintendo didn't level a lawsuit at a grieving parent for putting one of "their" characters on a headstone
But Nintendo destroyed so many people's lives...
@@Marigold-iy7vywhat did they do? /geh
@@Marigold-iy7vy are you referring to the hacker that'll be forced to pay Nintendo for the rest of his life? Cause if so, that's literally one, single person
@@brendanboomhour7606 Be honest here, would you spend for a 60$ for a trilogy that didn't changed much, or playing it for free on a computer?
Well well, you wasn't here when Nintendo went after every TH-camrs that did game reviews and let's play gameplay etc lol
One personal pet peeve I have towards Illumination is all the filler that they cram into their films. Because the plots are so paper thin, the filmmakers have to stretch the runtime out just to hit that hour and a half mark, making the pacing really slow, and adding nothing to the story in general.
The Mario movie had the opposite problem where there was thankfully no filler because there was so much going on, but the pacing was so fast that everything in the film was extremely underdeveloped. So either way, Illumination makes some of the most empty-feeling movies in all of animation history.
@benpodvia5744 Despicale Me 1 is an exception. It’s obviously Illumination’s best movie, and I would argue their ONLY good movie.
@benpodvia5744 That’s all.
To quote Guillermo del Toro. Definitely want to save Hollywood for getting my dream job and stop all this madness in today's world. "ANIMATION IS CINEMA."ANIMATION IS NOT JUST A GENRE FOR KIDS."
I really want animation to be identify as a style or platform and not a genre. Because animation don't have a set structure or field it must follow. It's a style. A style is not a genre.
@@michaeljordan5630more than a style is an actual medium with endless potential and thousands of different styles.
It’s also what Brad Bird, the director of the incredibles and The Iron giant said. “Animation is a Medium, not a genre”. He alway talks about how you can do anything with it, and his movies are usually for adults first and kids second.
@@rebecca_rh I like both The Iron Giant and The Incredibles.
But animation must be perfect in a way that fans will accept it
I hate illumination bc i feel like they are part of the “animation is for kids” problem. They drag down the art form and since these are some of the most popular animated movies it cements in peoples minds that its JUST for children.
There has to come a time in the future where Illumination's storytelling and quality *need* to grow up and start appealing to both kids AND adults.
How can you say that WHEN SONY PICTURES ANIMATION ARE RIGHT THERE
@@WakerOfTheCryingRain yes they are partially part of that issue, but the thing is they can be watched by anyone and not just children. they also made fuckin spider verse which shook the animation medium to its core
Yep. And since the beginning, animation has been for adults before it was geared to families. So why not both.
And who’s responsible for letting that happen? If only dreamworks and Pixar had the same level of marketing as illumination’s, animation wouldn’t be view as “for kids”, for instants dreamwork’s Megamind is a masterpiece yet that movie flopped because they didn’t give a shit about its marketing and THEY STILL DIDN’T LEARN THEIR LESSON FROM THAT RUBY GILLMAN MOVIE which was a huge flopped I also heard the movie itself was terrible they could’ve been like “oh shit despicable me had made more money than our Megamind film let’s have our future movies have stronger marketing” it’s doesn’t matter how good your movie is if no one knows about it that’s why awful movies are making more money than good movies because good movies don’t give a shit about marketing, people know more about the minions because they’re marketing is EVERYWHERE that’s how they’re popular meanwhile Pixar and dreamworks movies are less popular because they focus more on quality rather than quantity instead of balancing both quality and quantity
I disagree with Nintendo being more evil than Disney, but yea Illumination is overall a very wack and safe studio.
I will never forgive Disney for giving a lawsuit to the parents for using Spiderman on their dead child’s grave.
@@thegiftedfire3470 They have done far worse than that but yea thats one solid reason lol
@@Pokeninja7yep
Disney really wants to appease the Chinese government
@@thegiftedfire3470 Illumination may be a stupid, safe, and child friendly studio, but at least they arent doing anywhere near what Disneys been doing.
There's a difference between Nintendo and Disney. Disney completely ignores criticism in newer movies but Nintendo does acknowledge and listen to some feedback but ignore haters
"People want to justify the Mario movie as a great film when it's actually not." People can think the movie is good and can have reasons as to why. This is subjective. The people who did get upset at critics were unreasonable, but that doesn’t change the fact that just because they think the movie is good, that doesn’t mean they're "wrong."
People want to justify "Cuties" as a great film when it's actually not. Does that mean any opinions on THAT movie is subjective?
@@FloraDArtCat When did anyone say anything about cuties?
@Quirky Vanom What does Cuties have to do with this?
@@FloraDArtCat Damn, bro. I think you just murdered him.
@@FloraDArtCat Just checked the reviews and only 82 critica reviewed It. Only 82, that's why It has a High Number because many critics out of 82 (aka 71) gave It a good score, now you mighr Say that's still unreasonable but actually 82 critics Is a really low amount normally a movie has thousands of review by critics but this One only has 82. Simple
Woah, easy. Nintendo is not more evil than Disney. They're old school.
Besides, Illumination does make audience appeal despite the upbeat tone and quality level of their movies.
Yeah, how dare he say that Nintendo is worse than Disney.
B*TCH, DISNEY IS MORE INCONSTANT!
Yeah, Nintendo has made plenty of questionable decisions in the past and many of those like opting to use cartridges for the N64 and using mini DVDs for the GCN only affected themselves. And I know they sent plenty of C&D letter to fans making videos and games based on their IPs, but I wouldn't say they're worse than Disney. For once, Disney is a bigger company, they have a history of bad employment practices, they once tried to trademark the Spanish name for the celebration of the Day of the Dead, they have ruined they careers of many child actors and in Mulan's live-action credits they thanked the government of a Chinese province where there're concentration camps
@@pablocasas5906 Wow I never knew that about Disney, but all good points on why Disney isn't a good company. Like they literally fired the former voice actor of Peter Pan, Bobby Driscoll, to a life of drugs.
@@pablocasas5906Nintendo implented that 2010's partner program where reviewers reviewing their games needed to share their profits and thankfully from enough backlash, Nintendo recieved the message goid enough to eventually cancel it
I don't think Nintendo is evil, but they are not pro-consumer, that is for sure.
I have to admit that I find Illumination's rise as one of the most successful animated studios kind of fascinating. I remember seeing the teaser for the first Despicable Me movie many years ago, and while I saw the movie much later in television I couldn't understand how popular it got until the second movie came out and the Minions begans appearing everywhere. As someone who has a lot of younger relatives, many of them grew or are growing watching Illumination movies like the Despicable Me/Minions, Secret Life of Pets, Sing and now the Mario Movie. I would not consider their movies to be awful (except for Hop and maybe The Lorax), but they haven't done anything excellent either, I only consider Sing 1 and 2 and the SMB as the only movies from them that I actually enjoye and would watch again
Illumination's movies can't compete in a story level with even the weakest of Pixar movies or the best of DreamWorks Animation, they don't even reached the heights of other CG studios like Sony and BlueSky. I still think they have potential of doing something great with all of the talented artists working for them
Despicable Me, The Rise of Gru, Sing 2 and Mario are pretty good. However, the rest are pretty filler honestly.
The best movies of DreamWorks absolutely blast Illumination‘s movies out of the stratosphere. A How To Train Your Dragon, Kung Fu Panda or Puss in Boots 2 cannot even be compared to Illumination‘s junk. That‘s like comparing Gordon Ramsay‘s best dishes to an industrial BigMac.
I don't hate people who like bad films. If anything, I kind of envy them for being able to derive enjoyment from something that I can't.
Your a nice person
Wish I was more like you in that way 😢
@@finalmountain I'm more of a "live and let live" kind of guy. That's not to say I won't offer a helping hand or pursue a mutually beneficial venture when I'm able, but I'm not so arrogant as to think I know what's best for everyone else, so I leave them to their own devices.
I agree….
It's better to have higher standards in everything than enjoy generic garbage and feel kind of happy. Like those obese men and women from "WALL-E" who kind of sort of enjoy their lives even though their lifestyle is complete hell.
To this day I still am holding a grudge against illumination for cutting out the song “Biggering” and deluded the original message of the Lorax by turning it to a cheesy, pop musical love-story.
If illumination would’ve given the project to anyone else the movie could’ve been a sick corporate, rock-opera kids film that remained faithful to the original concept; considering it’s Dr.Suess’s DARKEST works and Illumination butchered it more than they have by advertising it with car commercials..
Plus, when The Lorax (2012) came out It was based on The Lorax (Original/1972) was very dark. I prefer 2012 The Lorax because It has the best song called "How bad can I be". *Sorry, if I'm wrong*
Wanna remake it?
That song is the only good thing about that movie ! 😠
@@Samoanqueenbrilol Wow! How Illumination really destroyed the narrative of the original Lorax.
@@rustyshackelford4224 Idk, my comment is about 2-3 months ago.
I know Nintendo did horrible things over the years, like betraying Sony, ending their relationship with Rare on a sour note, and ripping off the Super Mario 3D All-Stars game. But I don't think it's any more evil than Disney with their diversity nonsense and milking other properties they've acquired.
Nintendo as far as i know never thanked a literal genocidal concentration camp in their credits. (vide Mulan 2020)
"DiVeRsItY NoNsEnSe" just say you hate black people and move on
they want to shove diversity down everyone's throats, especially with the peter pan movie and mermaid 23. I mean they succeded in making diversity films back then with zootopia, moana, soul and even sony knows how to shine light to "diversity" without being a shtty corporate with the use of spiderverse(the gwen trans issue is a twitter thing and I don't hate the hints of it at least its not as obnoxious as disney)
@@LINK-is3oc Disney is very hypocritical, and their upcoming work with Primos is a sample of that.
Yeah, because unlike Disney, Nintendo respect ALL their IP's.
Who did minions serve in 1933-1945??!🤨🤨
I heard he is a man with a funny mustache
@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 Mario?
Good question here.. 🤔
No one
The writers made them retreat into an ice cave specifically to evade this question
The fact that there are only 2 good Illumination movies (Despicable Me and Mario) is kinda depressing.
EDIT: Yes, I know Mario isn't a great film. I just think it's a pretty decent 6/10 movie, which is kind of a letdown because I really expected this to be an 8/10. Still, it's good but not great.
Also both Sonic movies are better than the Mario movie.
And people say that they get an comeback
Pathetic
You’re forgetting Sing 2 and Minions The Rise Of Gru
Mario wasn’t very good
@@OklahomaBoomer You're right.
IT WAS AWESOME
@@mardenborough. It was a bizarre mess featuring a mid plot with much to desire, getting the characters wrong, bad dialogue, out of place music, and the worst sin of all: having Seth Rogen play Donkey Kong. The only saving grace was the Easter Eggs.
Nintendo is worse than Disney? While I do have issues with Nintendo, they're definitely not worse than Disney, far from it.
Agreed. Saying Nintendo is an evil corporation that's even worse than Disney is a little too far-fetched.
Yeah, Disney is evil. Nintendo is just neurotic.
Best way I can describe Nintendo is them being stupid and out of touch, but not inherently evil.
idk man didn't nintendo ruin gary bowsers life ?
@@markofthewolvessucks8930 Is that the only example that people can come up with? As severe and unfair the punishment for that guy is, you can at least understand why they targeted him of all people, even if you don't understandably agree with the penalty given.
And I find it *very* hard to believe he didn't receive a warning to stop what he was doing, the guy must have ignored it.
Illumination tends to embody everything I've grown to dislike about most modern big budget CGI animated features, except somehow more bland and uninspired. I've only seen two of their movies in theaters to date, Despicable Me and The Lorax, and what was featured in those, along with the audience and critic ratings of their other movies, was more than enough to tell me what to expect about the rest of the studio's works. And even the Mario movie, from what I've seen and heard about it, sounds like it'll be kinda underwhelming. Also, to anyone that tries to justify Illumination for producing "harmless movies for kids", that feels like a disservice to what kids are capable of accepting.
I do disagree with your statement about Nintendo being more evil than Disney, though. Sure, Nintendo has its flaws, but at least they still care about producing good content and appealing to the fans, unlike modern era Disney.
Also Nintendo didn't support genocide camps....ahem live action mulan remake
There has to come a time where Illumination's quality in storytelling need to grow up and start appealing to both kids AND adults.
@@jwroot Exactly. I want for them to be able to take more creative risks and stop releasing mediocre content.
@@maniacaldude Sony Pictures Animation had the best character development I've ever seen from an animation studio... I wish the better for Illumination some time.
Disney would be responsible for more evil simply due to its sheer scale. Nintendo is NOT a super big company in the grand scheme of things.
"Nintendo is a more evil corporation than Disney"
While both companies definitely have their issues...hard disagree. Nintendo didn't slash 4000 people's jobs, give people less options for studios to get movies made at in the future and less possible distributors to go to in the future and buy out one of their competitors and put their whole company in massive debt just to have a bigger streaming catalogue and rights to several legacy characters and ips. They also didn't sue a dead child's parent's for putting one of "their" characters on their tombstone. And yes they made 3D allstars, but remember that the Disney Vault was a thing.
Also the former Nintendo President cut his own salary in half so no one would need to be let go during the failure of the Wii U. He believed no one should suffer for his mistakes and that the system not selling well was his fault.
@@codym512s8 Iwata was an amazing guy, may he rest in peace.
@@codym512s8 wow…I really didn’t know that…most ceos, much less of mega corporations wouldn’t ever do that I wouldn’t think.
@@mosaicarts828 It's a mixed bag as many western CEO's actually make their money through stock options. Bezos, for instance, had a very modest 'salary' as Amazon's CEO. like $80,000
I'm not saying Iwata was playing games (okay I didn't mean for that to be a pun!), but you have to look closely at these cases to see if it's sincere or just posturing for good publicity. If he did it as a means of direct compensation to other employee, I'm inclined to believe that it come from an honest place.
Nintendo is the most evil in gaming that's for sure.
Illumination is like the Saturday morning cartoons of cinema
Don't insult Saturday morning cartoons like that.
@@joshuasgameplays9850 I say that in a way that their movies are tailored towards kids.
@@joshuasgameplays9850 That's not an insult.
I'd go so far as to say the modern equivalent of Hanna-Barbera, except for CGI feature animation.
That would be true, if some Saturday morning cartoons didn't have absolutely banger stories (looking at you justice league and justice league unlimited, and you too batman the animated series)
Illumination’s entire brand is playing it safe with bright colors, pop music and pleasing animation. It doesn’t make you think, it’s a cookie cutter movie for kids. This includes the Mario movie.
I can't say I agree with Nintendo being more "evil" than Disney. At least Nintendo doesn't make a monopoly like Disney does. They also didn't thank a bunch of terrorists just to make entertainment. Also, Nintendo has more time to breathe when it comes to content. Disney makes and distributes so much that their *NON-REMAKE* live-actions films don't seem to get proper treatment. They're often unsuccessful in the box office *(since the 1950's)* and are often some of the most hated movies in history.
Yeah, Nintendo has so much integrity when it comes to 90% of their first party titles that I can tolerate their misdeeds, because they’re ultimately providing me a net positive of what I want to see from them.
And they may be bonkers rich and still charge annoying prices on certain things, but they’re not a monopoly and I’m glad they’ve been mostly not participating in the AAA studio buyout arms race that’s been going on with the big tech game companies.
Many people think that "kids' movie" and "family movie" are the same when it's actually not. Kids' media is media regarded mainly for just kids whose purpose is distract them like a babysitter when everyone else is busy such as Sesame Street. Some kids' media are actually great for kids and have high quality to teach them important life lessons but most of them are just as meaningless overstimulation like dangling keys at their faces. Some aren't just only baby shows as some kids' media can target mainly older kids before puberty, that features jokes and references only familiar from that age demographics.
I don't consider teen media (not Highschool musical since that's actually for tweens) to be kids' media as they can get very adult, explicit and edgy as hell, especially foreign teen media can get much more than just romance.
Family movies' main purpose however is to bring families of all ages together that is not only for kids. They can explore dark themes even though it's not that obviously explicit and too heavy handed but like in a poetic way like many other movies do for general audiences.
Yeah, Illumination make's kids movies. Pixar and Dreamwork, on occasion, make 'family movies'.
And casual animated fan, the fandom itself like me consume much animated content but rarely talk about it since they find it ...ehh is mid in a good way. Which explains why I love rio 2 through catering to that specific cartoon fanbase
@@Bustermachine , Illumination movies are also family movies
There’s a damn good reason why I love Studio Ghibli’s Ponyo film, it’s a perfect example of a family film done right.
The good news is that illumination is starting an adult animated films studio with the goal of expanding their audience. But since illumination has a very one-sided approach when it comes to making entertainment, I'm VERY concerned about how "Moonlight " would make these "adult" films. However, I'll keep my mind open because I like illumination for what they are. I don't LOVE them compared to DreamWorks, but they're not THAT bad.
Why don't they just combine those two parts as Illumination? I think having it all under the Illumination banner would be easier to organize the content, which is why I'm against banners like Touchstone.
I think it can work. If Sony animation can start making more mature audience aimed movies, why can’t Illumination? It’s always good to try new things
I'm just hoping that the "adult films" in question aren't just clones of South Park or Family Guy.
Hate is a strong word. Illumination makes movies strictly for kids. Understandably critics will not like it, that doesn’t mean you should hate the studio. U can just ignore them
Yeah like imagine hating a studio just because you don't like their childrens movies??
Like I understand hating a company if they or their CEO did or participated in something shady, of course...
illumination films come from the idea that children are dumb and cannot handle mature themes and topics. they're obviously more susceptible to childish marketing like the minions, but they should not be deterred from being exposed to serious subject matter in much the same way that classic disney movies did. when you make films specifically for children and don't allow them to get a glimpse of how the world works, it will become harder for them to develop emotionally
hate is the right word. it's what minimum common denominators like illumination deserve since complete erasure isn't an option.
All this hate hate hate for Illumination is pissing me off. Some humans can be very intolerable and then they have no right to have to fear for the worst when it comes to Illumination. It's next film, Migration is coming and it looks very good and also looks different compared to other films in the Illumination catalog.
On Twitter, someone tweeted Migration has a good plot and people are like, "Illumination is COOKING!" and they're not wrong.
@@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz No. Hate is not the right word. Hate only leads to more toxic behavior.
It's not a bad animation studio for say. The studio just doesn't try and it plays it safe. Pretty much basic compared to Pixar and DreamWorks.
Maybe if they tried more they could have a bit more respect as a competitor.
The Mario movie while basic is better than 90% of their movie catalogue due to the fact that Nintendo interviened in the production
@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 Precisely!!! Bowser just being in the movie made me love 10x more🔥🔥🔥
@@Cyberkidd1000Jack Black as Bowser is nothing short of genius
@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 Exactly. Him being nothing but one of the funniest men alive😂
I still have "Peaches" stuck in my head, lol
@@Cyberkidd1000Look Peaches was good, but honestly man TH-cam shorts kinda soured it for me, I was ready to move on and then Lil babies started replaying Peaches all over again 😭
I surprisingly enjoyed the new Mario movie (and this is coming from someone who also doesn’t care for Illumination’s work). The animation looks more vivid and alive than their previous movies and I’m glad Nintendo was there to make sure that it pays proper respect to the source material it’s based on. Even though I think of Illumination as the McDonald’s of animation, financially successful all over the globe but making cheap junk, the new Mario movie was like that spicy chicken sandwich I had at a McDonald’s in Maryland that wasn’t bad and appeared to be made of actual chicken for once! Low bar to clear, but the Mario movie cleared it.
I thought it was ok
Yeah I feel the same way
To this day I don't have any Illumination films I like. I think they're just having fun RN, but they've got a ways to go to reach the legacy of Dreamworks, Pixar, and Disney.
@thebottomtext Not my type of film.
@thebottomtext I know, I was just saying it's not my type of film. I'm more into epic fantasy stories.
Hey, Nintendo has done a lot of inexcusable, consumer-unfriendly things for sure, but I don't think it's fair to call them worse than Disney. One of these companies still releases good products, and the other company is Disney.
Disney has been releasing enough good products. "Encanto", "Turning Red", "Mandalorian", "Andor", "Elemental".
@@DrAnxiety17 Turning Red sucked. Elemental sucked. Mandalorian started sucking after the first two seasons. A few good titles might pop up here and there but Disney's batting average just ain't what it used to be now that the old guard is retiring and the lunatics are running the asylum.
The Mario Movie wasn’t good, it wasn’t supposed to be. It was supposed to be fun, and it was. It was fun to watch your childhood game character in a movie. The story of the games was very simple so the movie was simple too.
So your saying the movie is bad if it wasn't good???
Even if it wasn't meant to be good, that doesn't make it immune to criticism. I mean enjoyed the movie when I saw it in theaters, and bought it digitally because I forgot what happened in it, and maybe it's just me, but the fun factor was just kinda gone.
#1 A movie is a narrative, that is a story. A Mario movie should have a story
And #2- Mario Sunshine, Luigi's Mansion, The paper Mario Trilogy, Superstars, the ORIGINAL NES even.... they have stories to them.... even other adaptations- like the tv shows, have stories
It was good... Just *not* great.
@@trufoosxdThats obvious, because the plot is nonexistant and very bare bones. If you watched it once an saw all the neat references and characters then you are done, no need to watch it a second time.
@@jwroot yeah. And you know, it didn't need to be. The Mario games barely have story, because the important part is gameplay. This doesn't translate well into movies, so it was just a fun little hour and half of fun references and cool visuals
The first two Despicable Me films are pretty good, but the third one sucks.
Minions did even worse, though The Rise Of Gru was a slight improvement.
Hop was unbearable.
The Lorax was okay, though not the best Dr. Seuss adaptation.
The Secret Life Of Pets films are basically the Toy Story films with fur and feathers… and it sucks.
The first Sing movie was great, but I really hated the second one.
The Grinch made me feel absolutely nothing when watching it.
And as for The Super Mario Bros. Movie… I thought it was okay, but could’ve been a bit better.
Also, I’m not extremely hyped or expecting anything big from Migration.
I didn’t even remember Migration’s name until you brought it up.
I just know that it “that one Illumination duck movie” that was being advertised during the trailers before the Mario Movie. Kind of dumb for Illumination to announce such an underwhelming movie after they just came back from what many consider their best work.
Also, we do not speak of the Adams Family movies. :p
@@baalfgames5318I'm pretty sure they're made by MGM
@@sonicfanboy3375 Fun fact: Illumination originally brought the rights to The Addams Family to make into an animated feature-length film.
Who else forgot that secret life of pets even existed
It's a decent movie for what it was. Just watched it this past weekend with my kids and they both enjoyed it. It's a harmless kids move, not everything needs to be a masterpiece.
I love Spider verse and Puss in Boots but you gotta have something more light hearted too
No, I couldn’t forget secret life of pets Even if I wanted to I
Yet that movie is rated higher than the Mario Movie on rotten tomatoes
Which shows how wrong these critics are
@@WakerOfTheCryingRain TBF secret life of pets did have better pacing and properly developed it’s characters….something the Mario movie failed greatly in!
@@17jacoyneExplain please...
I feel like Illumination is bad for animation industry, because Illumination makes films only for kids, but somehow managed to get popular and made a lot of money, so when people think of animated films, they might think of a film like Minions, and because it’s a film for kids, they might think animation is for kids, which is a bad thing that might cause some company to make live action remakes or cancel animated shows…
How can you say that When SONY PICTURES ANIMATION is right there
@@WakerOfTheCryingRainSausage Party
Illumination movies released in cinemas everywhere. All people are seeing those.
Illumination is like that one FNAF or Minecraft TH-camr that doesn't really try all that hard, but they still have a massive audience that eats up everything they do.
The biggest and best example: Markiplier
@@OklahomaBoomermaybe now, but he used to be funny back when I still watched him
@@chrono9503 He Never was.
@@OklahomaBoomer cool opinion bro
@@OklahomaBoomer Good joke.
0:16 They peaked with Despicable Me
I do wish that their were more character moments in Mario
Examples?
@@rustyshackelford4224 Between Donkey Kong and Mario, Luigi subplot be earned, and also Toad and Mario
@@jamestolbert1856 What about the relationship between the Brothers and the rest of their family or the whole background behind the princess? That was the biggest missed opportunities throughout the entire movie which are totally squandered because the conflict with Mario and his family are resolved then less than milisecond.
Despicable me 2 was charming compared to what we would get two years after the former minions uhh
Let’s hope Illumination makes more dark and mature movies that pull no punches and hires better writers in the future and creates a masterpiece of a franchise that would redefine the studio.
I'm sure they will. I always believe in Illumination and speaking of dark and mature films, Illumination has a division called "Moonlight" where they are capable of making dark and mature films.
@@nas0518 Moonlight would save Illumination. Maybe if Nintendo wanted to do a Zelda movie with Illumination, Moonlight would be the right choice for mature Nintendo movies
@@RuRyRyRyan Yes.
I don’t think they will anytime soon. They’ve gotten way too comfortable making simple movies that appeal to kids. And Moonlight won’t be saving them either if they stick with their current writing style.
Keep dreaming.
Illumination never made a dark film. Compared to Disney and DreamWorks they never made a single dark movie. And they will still choose this path of being childish
I fully respect your opinion that Illumination is a critically bad studio but you can't deny that the movie goers that pay to see movies in theaters enjoy thier work enough to keep coming back. If they were just a shallow cash grab that didn't care about thier viewers, they wouldn't have succeeded consistently. Hell, Nintendo is so strict with thier ips, the fact that the Mario movie was produced at all is a shock. You keep saying bad story bad story in each of thier work without even stating how the narrative could have been improved, or even change to make the theme the movies were trying to portray, Which is shallow criticism that doesn't challenge Illumination but goes to identify your lack of critical thinking. Such as...
Despicable me 1 is about a man who is clearly past his prime and foes through a midlife crisis when people younger than him have accomplished more than his entire career so in response he attempts to risk it all by completing an even greater feat aka stealing the moon but no one gives him a chance, thus he has to do it himself but realizes his own limitations aka losing the shrink ray and failing to retrieve it. He then finds a solution through the younger generation qith the 3 girls he soon adopts and qith thier influence he discovers a sense of longing he never knew before meeting them which eventually leads to him giving up what he thought he wanted for what he needed.
Despicable me 2 continues his journey not to improve his own life but to improve his daughters lives by finding a female role model for them because he knows that he alone isn't enough to parent 3 kids. As for improvements, the villian plot was disconnected and used more as a medium for gru's love story, thus it felt narrative weak. What could have improved it was the themes in the movie of gru financially supporting his family due to his lack of employment, the villian could of used dr nefario to enlist gru to commit crimes in order to support his family but also with gru trying to have a relationship with his love interest but attempting to balance both finding a mother for his kids and providing for his kids, this duality being the central core of the movie where gru has to chose between 1 or the other. This way, the stakes are much higher and the villian plot would have been woven in more organically.
Thats how you identify a problem with the narrative and develop a solution that would make sense Thematically instead of vaguely saying the story was bad. The lorax and grinch were extended adaptations that added more to the original story, yes they lost the point with the local and the new plot they added was just straight up filler, really, they could have just cut out the Ted plot and focused primarily on building the oncler and extending the destruction of the forest. The grinch was fine for what it is but the issue is that compare to its original iconic interpretation, this grinch turning good had less of an impact. Dialing up his "mean" personality would have made things more like the original.
The point of all of this is that if you want to preach about how "person a" (aka Illumination) makes bad stories, be sure to call out the parts you hate and state your opinion on how it could have been better instead of providing essentially nothing to the conversation.
Your comment badly needs to be pinned. Best comment of this comment section.
I don't think Nintendo is worse than Disney. They at least didn't make tons of live action remakes
And at the very least, don't destroy their beloved IP's to the ground all in favor of 'The Message'
@@jwroot You realize the people that you think Disney is messaging to are generally unimpressed with them as well, right?
Like a hang around in pretty progressive leaning circles and we joke the every Disney Movies is 'first ever Disney movie to contain an LGBTq couple . . . for five seconds in a deleteable scene".
It's not a message, it's just a signal.
Disney itself also clearly doesn't understand or care about these things beyond their superficial signaling potential. Part of why the Owl House was so great as a piece of LGBTq aligned fiction is that Disney didn't even realize they were making it. So it was allowed to breath and be its own thing.
But what's better than Lesbian Witch Jesus fighting Protestant Satan (as in a protestant dude who turned himself into a satanic deceiver) for the lives of everyone living on the island sized corpse of a dead demon? XD
Disney : "Oh no, we just meant put up some rainbow flags for pride month!"
@@jwrootinsert angry drunken Scotsman saying, "MODERN AUDIENCES"
@@samcochran8203 XD
@@jwroot in all realness tho, drinker has great takes
First of all,not everyone can make a movie as good as Puss in Boots
:The Last Wish so there's that
Second,atleast they're enjoyable unlike a particular company that keeps milking nostalgia
They *can* make films as good as _The Last Wish_ by being fun and meaningful. They just need to do it their own way, and they don't even have to be stylized.
Yep this and spiderverse and in my opinion the OG lion king can't be topped or be good like these atleast they were made with heart
@@Simbala-bq5vy the OG Lion King was the GOAT back in the Disney renaissance era and it still is now,because everyone hates the live action remake of it
@@AllenTheAnimator004been recommended 2 videos where 1 dog each cried at the Mufasa death scene. A film so impactful from 1994 that real dogs felt sad by.
No way is the 2019 remake having half that impact
Or the Lego Movie
Request: Could you make a video about the redemption arc of Sony Animation?
Ever since I watched "Across the Spider-Verse," I knew that Sony did so much better with their recent movies lately ever since they released "Into the Spider-Verse," but now they're absolutely killing it.
I also love the fact that now the company is actually trying to make good stories by hiring filmmakers, storytellers, and animators who are super passionate about their projects. And they're even trying new things too! For example, "Vivo" was Sony's first animated musical, so I'm pretty sure the company accepted it because they never actually did a musical before, and because Lin-Manuel Miranda was working on it for too long, they must have felt really confident about the movie because Lin is the guy who wrote the songs for "Moana."
And for "Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse," the company actually hired a 14-year-old boy to animate the Lego dimension because they were so blown away by the way he remade the teaser trailer in Lego form that they couldn't help but hire him.
And of course, they hired too many talented people to work on "The Mitchells VS The Machines," and that movie almost won an Oscar for many good reasons. I've never laughed out loud during a movie more than I did with "Mitchells."
I guess Sony really tried to improve from their past, especially when they made the laughingstock that was "The Emoji Movie." They went from an animation studio that almost fell apart thanks to their bad movies *(except for "Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs." That movie was amazing)* to an animation studio that tried to be better by telling better stories. And thanks to their masterpiece that is "Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse," Sony is almost beating Disney now. And I can't wait for "Beyond the Spider-Verse."
And also Surf’s Up in 2007
Direct-to-video sequel that came a decade later was super shit tho
Sony Animation is a kinda like SpongeBob in the episode Pretty Patties, whiling Disney and Pixar can be compared to Mr. Leans and Squidward
Oh, are people still shrieking about Nintnedo being "evil" because they don't cater to every whim of their deluded hysterical fan base?
Most likely.
Disney is *way* worse
I’m mean Nintendo can be scammy sometimes but evil no to me calling Nintendo evil is so stupid because they are just a commodity not dictaters
Movies don't always have to be plot-heavy or have layers of complexity to be good or enjoyable. Abominable and Arietty are proof of this. The Mario movie isn't bad, it's not even sub-par, it's an average film. Average isn't bad, it's just not high art. I watched it with a friend and we both liked it; it was exactly what I expected from an animated adaptation of a simple game franchise with little to no storytelling. It didn't have to be more than what it was; now, if they plan on making a sequel, however, then they'd have to up the ante in their writing to keep people engaged, otherwise they'll just wind up with a copy of the first movie and people won't have a reason to watch it. Plus, the lighting was quite gorgeous at times-there are scenes in this movie that made me think, "Wow, that looks beautiful," when I saw them. There's value to be found here, and I think it's Illumination's second-best film after Despicable Me.
Speaking of Despicable Me, while I think the sequel was a step in the right direction, the path the studio's chosen to go on afterward is not. They seem to think that just having child or childish characters on-screen is the only way to appeal to kids, but that isn't the case at all. I think a better direction for this franchise would be to allow the girls to grow up, and deal with the various issues that arise with that-and have Lucy interact with them more as a maternal figure. Maybe even make Gru and Lucy have a son and see how that influences the family dynamic. I don't hate the minions like a lot of other people seem to, but I also don't think they can carry a whole film on their own; they work best in synergy with characters like Gru and the girls, and that's how they should keep them. I haven't watched most of this studio's other movies, and the ones I have are mediocre or outright bad. I saw Secret Life of Pets and don't remember much of anything from it, which says it all.
I think Illumination are scared to innovate because it might spook away the audience that likes these films. If they don't try to experiment, who can say for sure? I'm hoping Migration tries something new to break the mold, even if it doesn't do so successfully.
I also totally disagree on Nintendo being evil. They're aggressive when it comes to defending their IPs and fleece their customers by charging exhorbitant prices, yes, but they at least have some semblance of integrity and care about trying to provide their customers with something they'll like. Di$ney straight up insults its own fanbase _consistently_ and charges ridiculous amounts for low-quality goods and services, on top of trying to brainwash children-THAT'S evil. Oh, and they also collaborated with the Chinese government, including the authorities of a district which runs *literal* concentration camps. This is beyond bad optics. Nintendo focuses on pleasing its customers and doesn't try to preach to them or tell them to screw off if they don't like a product, which is why they've stayed in business for so long and why the Rat is bleeding money.
Everything you said is SO true!
@@liamphibiaExcept Nintendo is still pretty evil. Not as much as Disney sure, but they still are in almost every way.
Holy s**t I can’t believe that somebody remembers Arietty. This movie from Studio Ghibli is criminally underrated.
I hope to god illumination never touches Zelda. A better studio would be dreamworks. Legend of Zelda storytelling is right up DreamWorks alley
Likewise, because Illumination has a mature division called Moonlight.
@@nas0518 oh i didnt know about that. Ima have to do some research then
Another great studio to do a Zelda movie would be Studio Ghibli, just as long as it’s 2D and not 3D, because we all know how well Ghibli’s one 3D film turned out.
@sonicfan9144 Agreed. We don’t talk about Earwig and the Witch.
Zelda gives me more Disney vibes
But DreamWorks does fit to Zelda
If the Mario movie won’t get a sequel because if the writers guild of America 2023 strike doesn’t end soon, I’m gonna be so pissed
Grrrrrr worker's rights issues are getting in the way of the Super Mid Bros Movie 2
Honestly, I prefer workers fair compensation over a second mario movie
@@T-Dawg75 the writers strike you mean?
@@Mariofanaticanimations yes. I would prefer people getting fair work treatment over another movie, because that’s ultimately more important
I hope the talentless uncreative hacks that only care about "THE MESSAGE" get what's coming to them. Why give these spoiled brats "fair pay" when they won't even work? If there are actual writers who think things aren't right then I'll support them, but there aren't.
Illumiation is very bland. Pixar and DreamWorks aren't afraid to break the rules.
Bland at best. I always thought Illumination is a decent studio.
Goodness, rumor or not, I hope Illumination _never_ touches Legend of Zelda. LoZ needs to be more like Princess Mononoke, not The Lorax.
Whoa whoa calm down man! Never thought I'd hear you sound THIS angry over an animated studio like Illumination. Though many of your comments about their movies were on point, I must say.
To be frank, there has to come a time in the future where Illumination's quality and storytelling need to step up for the better and start appealing to both kids AND adults.
P.S. "Nintendo is a more evil corporation than Disney"
That's not 100% true, man.
Yeah this video wasn’t really rational at all and kind of one that needs to be redone.
@@azurai3934Yeah I get his take why he didn't like Illumination but he feels so self-righteous
From what I've heard from Annecy news and reactions, I think Migration could be something special, it's also kind of different visually speaking... a guy who saw the first 20 minutes at Annecy spoke very well about it: he said it remembered to him Finding Nemo as kind of story of fear and discovery... In addition, this movie is written by an Oscar-winning director, so I'm really excited
The animation looks no different from most other Illumination films so far.
Almost reminds me of Chicken Run, somehow. Just with ducks.
@@pepearown4968stop capping
@pepearown4968 And also a better version of that Netflix movie called Duck Duck Goose. That movie was mediocre, but I hope this will be better.
Yeah i agree with you on illumination they play it too safe with films also they definitely aim it at kids thats why i dont like there movies despicable me is only one i liked unlike Sony and dreamworks also disney and pixar they aim it for everyone for mature story like how to train to the dragon.
Mario movie they did play it too safe the issue also is lackluster story and characters dont feel develop i wish they did more bond for mario and luigi. Yeah 80s music shouldnt be there.
I dont want illumination touch legend of zelda they will butcher it like having link talk and pop culture references.
When will these companies realize that not all supervillians need to be sympathetic? Some people are just bad people evil. Not everyone deserves our sympathy. So sick of these same old uninspired sympathetic villains.
Jack Horner is a great example of a unsympathetic villain
And the Spot.
@@sonicfanboy3375Same with Frollo and Scar
Ok, look, I don't like things that Nintendo does, but saying that they're worse than Disney is a gigantic stretch. Disney is a million times worse
Hard disagreed on Nintendo being worse than Disney.
They’re not saints by any stretch but saying worse than Disney…I think you’re reaching here.
I love how the Adams Family movies were SOOOO forgettable and bad, they didn't even get a mention. XD
Unpopular opinion The Mario movie it’s kind of terrible. The plot is bare bones they set up the star to be a major plot device but it barely affects the plot it only affects it at the end. Mario barely affects the plot and if Mario was not in it The only difference is that Brooklyn wouldn’t have been nuked. Peaches whole personality is girlboss. Humour was mostly not funny The only times I laughed Were when bowser, Luigi and the luma we’re on screen. The music is awful except for the soundtrack the original soundtrack was good. There’s barely any character development. The ending is worse than shark tale. The casting was mixed.
People confuse “good” with enjoyable. Mario Movie is enjoyable but not a good movie (or at least not compelling), and that’s fine. Idk why people get so desperate to label it as good. I love Boss Baby, but it’s a horrible film😂 it’s not good but I still enjoy watching it
Because they personally find it to be really good. At the end of the day, it's all opinions.
That’s subjective, people are allowed to think the Mario movie is good and you can’t really objectively prove them wrong
I loved the Mario movie despite its problems
I was a kid when illumination started releasing their movies and no matter how garbage those movies were, I loved all of them when I was younger because children don’t really have standards for movies. I watched the minion movie so many times as a kid that I could remember the movie by heart. I’m not saying the movies are good, they’re quite the opposite, but I’ll always have nostalgia for these movies whether they’re good or not. (Also yes I did watch minions rise of gru on opening night with my friends and sister and we all wore minion costumes)
I’m glad to see the Mario Movie doing so well because I really loved that movie even if it has its flaws and it wasn’t yeh best movie of all time.
Actually, Chris Stuckmann watched _Norm of the North_ in theaters, and kids in the theater for that movie wanted to *LEAVE.*
@@CarloNassarBut that isn't Illumination
@@sonicfanboy3375 That's not the point. The point is to argue against what Sophie is saying about kids not having standards for movies. I brought up _Norm of the North_ to prove Sophie is wrong about it.
You asked the question yourself: "why does Disney hate animation now"
Do you think how bad can I be is a bop
The only good movies this studio has made really is the Original Despicable me and The Mario Movie.
Cap on the Mario movie 😂😂😂😂😂
Don’t forget Sing 2 and Minions The Rise Of Gru
@@PussInBootsTheLastWishFan2003 rise of gru????????
@@SophisticatedArc yes
Well, with mario movie, lets be honest, not all films with weak story are bad, just remember Fantasia and Fantasia 2000, two films that doesnt have even a focused story, just a compilation of great animated shorts at the rithm of the music. Mario felt like that, an spectacle instead of a pretending story, so thats why i appreaciate this film, knows its a right to the point adventure and shows exactly that with comedy involved, thats why i dont like how critic hate the idea of having not "great story" due this is one of those films like Fantasia wich doesnt need even a plot necesily to evenexist.
You know, you're right.
Difference is Mario movie was trying to have an actual story
@@John-xr9ry well if thats the logic, Fantasia also waned to have multiple stories but theyre pretty rushed and/or weak
@@gaothhermesk1289 , not really. Fantasia made it explicitly clear in the beginning that it would not have an overarching story. The Mario Movie set up a story from the opening scene
@@John-xr9ry well Mario movie doesnt seem itself as a great story it's more like a "right to the point" aventure without deep cpnflicts or storytelling
I actually liked all the despicable me films and the lorax film but they do have some problems
I swear every dog character looks the exact same in all the movies
Yep.
Maybe I don't want Illumination to be anything but entertaining lol. I loved the Mario movie and I would like more from a sequel. I really believe it turned out well as it did because Nintendo kept a leash on Illumination. It's one of those studios that CAN do great things, but it needs the right people at the wheel.
The best metaphor is Illumination films are.. junk food. Sweet and tempting at first, but after eating and digesting it we get heart burn.. then the eventual agony on the can.
They look pretty, and they know how to hook kids which are a big demographic. But overall after the initial theater releases the films fall flat. Again, junk food. Pretty packaging that's it.
@benpodvia5744How?
@benpodvia5744 That's debatable
On Illumination as a Studio, 100% agrees even Mario can't be call a masterpiece in possibly all the ways......Illumination always had this problem and that why I personally never been interesting in 90% of what they do, I only have watch 2 films of them on theaters, Despicable Me 1 and Super Mario Bros, and pretty much those 2 are the best they have done, on that regard that I hope like SONY they might learn and someday surprise us, I hope they do................now I not agree at all on what you say of Mario here, yes we all agree story wise not that great, but...the STORY....ain't BAD NEITHER, I will say Despicable Me have more bones to the story, but for what was need it for a FIRST Super Mario film in animation, I think did very well, I not think have bad characters or pacing issues as many say, sorry I saw that film 4 times I not watch BAD FILMS that many times on theater, I only have done that for films that at some degree impressed me, and Mario did, I think the animation of the film is LEAPS above everything else they have done, I actually think Mario looks better than some PIXAR recent movies, of course is not SPIDERVERSE or Puss in Boots, but again for Mario, they really did go above their skills.....now do they just need to redo that for the sequel............they BETTER NO, for a first film was good they played safe, but if they do a sequel or a ZELDA film, they better find a good writer because the honey moon face will be OVER, I'm with you on that most they have done is mediocre at best and horrible and boring at worst but of that I took out Mario and the first Despicable me films, I don't think any of these are mediocre, they both are good films, flawed but GOOD, not masterpieces but not barely passable entertainment.....I will always say both are 8 out of 10 and I don´t understand a WORLD in which a film that is 8 out of 10 is consider a BAD FILM just for not been perfect.
Yes the Mario Movie is not a masterpiece but to say that it’s awful or bad is fucking Ludacris
Dude chill and cool your jets, Illumination chosed to be like that, and they're okay to be that.
Bruh
Let's face it the reason that the Mario movie was as successful and great as it is was because of Nintendo legitimately trying to make a movie that would lead to others not because illumination
Super mario bros movie , Sing 2 , Despicable me 1/2 and Secret life of pets 1 is 5 critically better illumination movies
Nintendo is not worst than Disney SMH. They are just old fashion in thinking.
The only good things about the Minions movie are the main villian, her husband and the villian family they catch a ride with on the way to the convention. Like honnestly, Id love an animated movie or TV series that focuses arround a seemingly normal family, but theyre secretly all supervillians or something. Like an opposite version of The Incredibles, or something.
Wasted potential
True. Scarlet was an icon
It is intresting hearing what people on the critical side of the spectrum think about the mario movie, it's an uncommon and bold opinion and I respect it. For me, the mario movie was fine. It was a movie to just see with friends, turn my brain off and have fun. Mainline Mario games never really had a story, and I think they did enough for what could possibly been pulled from the source. Again, I respect your opinion.
Yeah, good point. It really banks on your pre-established attachment to Mario and the fact you'll be distracted by nice visuals.
Watching this video made me realize that I absolutely hate Illuminations art style. All of characters look like plastic noodles. Mario is the only one that looks good and that's solely because it's based on another style. A shame because it proves that they can make something look good but they just stick to the same ugly look.
2:36 I'm sorry but this caught me off guard I turned and look at my phone stocked 😂 (you're honesty 100% right)
I didn't believe this was from Illumination at first either. XD
“Mom can we have Pixar?”
“No we have Pixar at home”
Pixar at home:
I’m not an illumination fan, but you got to admit they know how to market a movie.
I swear If illumination makes a Metroid Film That would be horrible because you see Metroid has a very serious tone Instead they’re gonna give it a childish tone but apparently they’re the only ones that make money
I don't enjoy Illumination that much, but there are two movies which aren't that bad in my opinion, The Lorax and The Super Mario Bros. Movie. I like The Lorax, because through some level of artistic perception, the story and message is decently good. As for The Super Mario Bros. Movie, it's what I perceive as a 'full length cartoon'. There is some story, but the primary reason is to get several good laughs. The Super Mario Bros. Movie got it right for my personal 'full length cartoon' criteria.
@benpodvia5744 Too much crude humor.
@benpodvia5744 I know. Sorry for any mistake in tone. I was only giving an honest answer.
I feel like wanting dreamworks to do a legend of Zelda movie is pretty random
But I guess they chose them cause Disney does more musicals?
A lot of Disney films are actually _not_ musicals if you also include their live-action department (besides remakes) from the 50's and onward.
Wdym?
If Dreamworks did a Zelda movie with the same passion and effort they put into the Last wish, I guarantee it would be ten times better than anything Illumination could ever conceive!
They'd be gods in human clothing!
Lightning bolts shoot from their fingertips!
(Better Call Saul reference lol)
@@pitaalfereti58 No, it doesn't matter what company is involved. If the writers make use of their talent, so what if it's Dreamworks or Illumination?
You do realize it's the studio that hires these writers and tells them what to do, right?
And which studio would you think would give more freedom to their writers to write a creative story?
Sure a writer may be very talented, but if the company says otherwise, they have to abide by their rules.
And if Illumination really made use of their writers "talent" then I don't think we'd be seeing their current releases of movies, as of now.
@@pitaalfereti58
Well, I do realize that every writer has the possibility of messing up a film, no matter how talented he or she is. Heck, studios will never know how the writer(s) they pick will handle the script *until after the movie's release,* especially if they pick new writers that are getting started.
I understand the point of this video but honestly is there anything wrong with a “dumb” light hearted animated movie. So many animated movies nowadays try to make these deep compelling narratives about real world issues and topics. And when it’s done right it’s great. And when it’s not done right (more often than not) it’s preachy. I think there is a lack of innocent, for fun animated movies for kids and parents to both enjoy. And I think illumination fills that role nicely. Not every animation needs an Oscar worthy story or message. These are simple movies with simple premises made for children. They’re well animated (in my opinion) and I don’t think they have to be anything more than they are. Illuminations work is arguably better than a lot of what Disney or Pixar has put out recently. And while everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I respect the ones in this video, I don’t think being an adult taking a magnifying glass to these movies and over analyzing them holds much merit. It’s over thinking and it just shows you’re not the target audience.
illumination movies can be directed toward children with simple and fun plots. The thing is though the movies can sometimes (mostly) just be boring and basic.
The Super Mario Bros movie has an Oscar worthy story and characters even by Illumination Standards. Fight Me.
@@arjunghose7284 How
@@arjunghose7284How? It suffers from the same writing issues as other Illumination movies, outside of pacing, in which it's the total inverse problem that Illumination movies tend to be way too bloated with filler content to pad out the runtime of a paperthin screenplay into 90s, SMB's pacing is total ADHD cramming every single member-berry to hide the fact that it hasn't thought of an actual plotline leaving all of its characters and storylines underdeveloped.
@@rustyshackelford4224 , Sing 2 and Lorax Does not have filler content when thier illumination films .
it's crazy that only 4 out of their 13 movies are original ideas at all, and one wasn't even animated
Nintendo is more evil than Disney? What a joke
I don’t want to get political but Disney supports genocide Nintendo did do screwed up stuff but compared to what Disney did.
That's the part where I lost his respect I mean Nintendo had a lot of bad things but how can he compare to some animated studio lol
Illumination perfected Fast Food movies for families.
It's cheap, safe, simple, fairly easy to mass produce, not healthy, but it's JUST tasty enough and checks enough marks for common family movie-goers to make their kids shut up for a while as well as leaving no big impact other than "haha that was fun".
Not every movie has to be a "full course meal" (like Disney, Pixar or Dreamworks at their very best), and I think making the Minions (and their other properties) SO dumb and condensed to being mindless kids entertainment with emphasis on physical cartoon humour rather than witty sarcastic dialogue or being self-referential, is what makes it so easily CONSUMABLE for the most masses world-wide (crossing language barriers) because everyone universally can "safely" put the movies on without demanding the parents sit and explain their kids what's happening BECAUSE it is so bare-bones simple, even if that means
undermining a great story just to dumb down the narrative so more people can follow it and not feel anything but " Aww, that's cute/sad. Haha that's funny".
Illumination isn't trying to push any envelopes, it's in fact taking advantage of what will meet the middle-ground for what's assured to be a "satisfactory" experience, which will make families with SMALL small kids revisit their movies because it's a reassured source of mediocre but satisfactory entertainment.
Vast majority of family people are not movie connoisseurs, won't ask why something is good or bad, the same way you won't think about how unhealthy that burger you got from Mcdonald's actually is. You just know it's branded for you to keep coming back to get another, even if it was nothing special.
Illumination is My Hobby 😢
I am so sorry you have to witness Aldone's awful take on Illumination. Illumination is your hobby, and I will help you.
The Truffula Trees were really beautiful by the way
I disagree on that. I don't hate Illumination at all. I like it. There are good movies made by them that I love like the Despicable Me films, Sing, and Mario. I'd say it's one of the BEST animated studio film companies alongside Disney, Pixar, Dreamworks, Blue Sky, and Sony Pictures Animation.
Yes. Spoken like a true person.
There's no proper plot in illumination and there's always shorts
Explain please
Aldone I’m pretty sure you’re not reading this but do you think you’ll make a video on blue sky studios? It’s all right if you don’t want to make a video on blue sky studios
I'm not a fan of Illumination, however, if they or any other studio makes a Legend of Zelda movie, ALL I WANT IS A REFERENCE TO VAATI. I NEED a reference to the grape mage! Literally the character that got me into LoZ, I don't care if Ganon is the main villain, Vaati was the only other reoccurring villain in Zelda, I just wanna see my boy getting the attention he deserves 😭
Thank you-
Go tell Cartoon Saloon to make it happen.
The first Despicable Me always made me belive that Illumination can be capable of greatness.
They know their audience and that they don't have to try because money will come to them regardless, but being stuck in this endless zone of mediocrity must get hard sometimes for everyone involved.
I'm probably being delusional, but If only they left a tiny bit their safe zone, we could actually get something for once that doesn't seem another cookie cutter project that puts on shame the entire animation medium.
Why do you say the original Despicable Me was good and their best one?
Would love ur thoughts on Filmation, Bevanfeild, Dingo pictures and other studios in that realm
In my mind the difference is that illumination makes kids films, most animated studios make *family* films, I heard a Hollywood director call it a "four corner film" meaning it appeals to everyone
I agree with all of this except how angrily you deliver the information. Dude, at the end of the day they are just some okay movies, you don't need to say "it's just a f***ing nerd who gets to sell air" or "their only live action film to date because of how f***ing awful it was." Do you realize you are cursing at the plot of kids movies? You're gonna be okay my friend, I think you need to grow up a little because this isn't worth getting so angry over.
Yeah This is one of his worst videos
You jumped from Hop to The Lorax? What about Sing? The movie where they were animals for no real reason other then animals are marketable?
DreamWorks and Sony are better imo.
I love Illumination and it doesn't deserve the hate, but yeah. I agree with you. DreamWorks Animation and Sony Pictures Animation are better.
Illumination should never touch LOZ!
I think illumination might get their Spider verse moment with Migration. Not only looks interesting for what I read about, and the art style looks different from the others but it’s director is Benjamin renner, who did the big bad fox and other tales and Ernest and Celestine. So maybe there’s still hope.
And I know they will.
well the Mario movie was a close second. Sure I felt underwhelmed by it, but I can't say I was board!
They won’t
They already have their spider verse it called the super Mario bros movie
Don’t forget that the studio promised the filmmakers full control over the movie here’s what it said
“That Migration promises a rather different and more auteurist Illumination offering”
TL;DW: Someone on the internet is angry that a studios which makes kids movies actually went and made movies for kids. And the Lorax sucks.
There are very quality kids movies out there that can respect your time. Illumination's movies don't.
Mario movie was what Mario movie was supposed to be, nothing more, nothing less
Also Nintendo is not exactly a good company, but no way near as evil as Disney
I don't like illumination, the minions are so annoying