Open Government Investigations, SJRSC
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CHAPTER 119
PUBLIC RECORDS
www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/i...
First Amendment Foundation
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FLORIDA OPEN GOVERNMENT WATCH
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It's almost as if they didn't want to fulfill your public record request.
i really think of jeff of being one of the smartest,polite and educated people making these type of videos. he never raises his voice or tries to be confrontational with anyone. he is also someone whom i can say that i admire greatly and would maybe someday like to meet him and go out with him one day when he does these type of things. i am in east pasco county jeff and if you ever need help with anything let me know!
Keep up the good work Jeff! You're an inspiration and a man among men.
My daughter is starting classes at the Palatka campus in 6 days. I certainly hope they are more informed of student rights than they are of the general public's!
My favorite was that the procedure manual was their 'private manual'
"Right to know" fail, lol. Someone should educate these educators.
I work for a FL state agency. During the required new employee (computer based) training it was explicit that the public has a right to view ALL non-exempt records created by my agency. While *I* am not authorized to release records (I don't interface with the public) management should be able to quickly make contact with those trained to provide records and give guidance.
When I taught Anatomy at Columbus State Community College, The MSDS - Material Safety Data Sheets were kept in a side room for the explicit reason to be shown to anyone who wanted to see them. The MSDS had all the information, dangers, etc. on every chemical used in the labs. Important info to be public record, no?
On the first day of class, I told all the students this.
For being a University, they didn't seem very intelligent.
+Stumpy Midget except the fiercely conservative ones. Of which there are plenty!
Alan Truesdell It's a college, not a university. Small difference, I know. But this is a small college.
Lokomaika'i A small college with even smaller minds.
Alan Truesdell Most college graduates are not. Attending college has nothing to do with being smart / intelligent. Education is the most oversold product in this country, and the sheep eat it up...........
+Alan Truesdell This is why they review you before admittance to make sure you are not smarter than them and will believe their lies and put up with their lack of knowledge.
I would end the conversation with this statement: 'See you in court.'
That's sticking to your guns, that's the Jeff I know. Great job
The level of complete ignorance of the law is astounding. And sadly, there is no penalty for non-compliance. It is shameful not only that we taxpayers have paid for these "public records" but that we've also paid these buffoons to go to a Sunshine Law training that they very clearly slept through.
MSDS is required by OSHA in every state to be readily available by all employees, including ANYONE that enters the premises for whatever reason, including public/police/fire/ and emergency personnel, primarily at every entrance/exit of said building perimeters.
Michigan Mister No, not at every entrance/exit of a building. At a single entrance/exit to the specific room the materials are stored in.
sure your right. I worked at a facility using/processing liquid/compressed oxygen for years. perhaps my (nationwide) employer was overzealous, but this is what they insisted on, as well as readily available in every truck/vehicle they ran. thanks for the correct information. after being taught this for almost 20 years, I took it as fact. the accreditations every 3 years with "jayco" were paramount, and they were very strict/over done.
The MSDS is provided by the item manufacturer or supplier. The university is required to keep the MSDS and they are for everybody to use. For example if they had a chemical spill on campus they would consult the MSDS for that chemical. The MSDS are not some kind of trade secret. I don't know why people panic every time they se a camera. Universities and companies are required to keep MSDS up to date.
Good work Jeff.
I wonder if Jeff would have better results if he tried to get the public records from a law school, if there is one that is public? If anyone should know the Florida laws, it would be a law school. I, like one of the commenters here, am also perplexed that even an educational institution doesn't know, or care, about the law - amazing!!
They want that ID because they want to research and to investigate who is investigating them.
Carry around a copy of the public records law...present it when told you can't inspect.
The public records laws in Florida are useless as we see here. There is NO penalty attaching to the employee refusing the request. Seen on film doing such a refusal the individual employee should be subject to arrest ON THE SPOT!! The statutes need revising ASAP. The employees are obviously being trained to not provide the asked for materials. We need to know why and by who.
Glad to see I got out of these before the idiocy rubbed off on me.
now Restaurants have health inspections, what do you think happens when there are health violations - -
HYO is a FOI inspector and these people are in violation of FOI laws
god bless you Jeffrey for being a good American.
I know it's not Jeff's MO, but sometimes you wish that he would just throw them a bone and explain the law to them.
***** Hearsay is only relevant in a court. Outside of a court, explaining things from a hearsay perspective is just giving information that may change their response.
RDJim Why explain the law ? Most of these people are educated as well as educators. They should have a better understanding of the law as it relates to their jobs.
RDJim If he did that chances are they'd argue about it
RDJim Let me explain it to you... these individuals are collecting a salary that is made up of tax dollars that me and you provide. You are really saying that we should also train them on the law?? FOH The institution should be sued, and they as individuals should be shit-canned. Pardon the expression. They have no business working a government job collecting a salary we pay them, if they are ignorant of their duties.
few do. I blame the citizenry, who are brainwashed by the gubmint and did not stand up for their rights.
but the pendulum is swinging..
Awesome work as always!
Yea!
What I haven`t seen expressed here is the fact that this exercise is quite possibly saving lives. There is a reason these MSDS are to be made available and it`s in the acronym: Material *SAFETY* Data Sheet. With a little bit of luck maybe this `institution of education` will learn something and stop endangering people by learning to do their job correctly.
oh i bet they scrambled for the rest of the day that day to get those binders put together.
Claudia Octavia I'm sure they had them already. But that doesn't mean they are prepared to handle Jeff's type of interaction.
They obviously weren't prepared to handle the request, but those binders looked very new and neat.;)
Claudia Octavia Or had time to research the state statutes?
and just as rarely kept in proper order by administrative staff. Just saying.
well if they didnt have them then, they have them now.
If there is no follow up then they won't change
Where can I find the follow up?
THEY JUST DON'T GET IT , DO THEY!
Why does the security guy sugest the request would be hindled diferently if you were with some sort of agency?
hahahaha..."I'm the Assistant Director of this Facility...but who you really need to talk to is a Security Guard who knows even less about Public Records requests and the Law.."
Where is part 2?
Jeff please sue these people
Why should it make a difference who you are
I can't find part 2
Simply we have a broken public record info request system. They are not prepared or properly trained. 10 -to 20 years on the job and they had never been asked for material ESPECIALLY by a person with a camera recording.
Does anyone in Florida govt understand the sunshine law?
So do you ever file a complaint with the state, if not this is an excessive in futility. They will just give the next person the same run around. The only reason they let you view records the second time was because they had time to research who you are.
They will look foolish when they see this video
I'd like to know whether this state-funded college teaches any courses on constitutional law.
Based on what I've seen, probably not.
wow we have the same law in nc
Tell that collage personal they need to teach a government class and attend it. After these encounter do you enforce them of the laws that allow you see the records?
Nobody does it better. 👍SMASH IT👍
Had you quoted the law
It literally says 'right to know' not "your right to know".
The ones that don't give you access are you doing anything about it
I thought the campus cop was just doing his job the best he thought. Jeff, what do you think of him,as far as the school officials,they where being idiots and could care less about your rights Jeff.Overall they get a D+,lol. Good Job.
"Who am I? I am Joe Public."
4;15 if you were with an agency it would make a difference. be like yes, I'm with the American people holding noobs accountable agency.
How does one get ahold of u. Your not on face book and I see no email. Got a story for ya.
Trail blazin'
The ridiculous notion about “surveillance” is that if someone wants to perform surveillance, there’s nothing that could be done to stop it.
🤘😎📸
Rude and stupid nosy employers there.
Why do all the `related` videos here try to change the topic? And why are there only five? And why are there none from OP, HONORYOUROATH?
So if I post videos on TH-cam and on my own website I become a member of the press?
I knew2 you shouldn't have to but Why don't you bring the law printed out showing that by law they have to
Does anyone actually call those people?
Anyone who uses the term “stuff” in a sentence loses all credibility in my eyes.
but if your with an agency that can get us in trouble for not following the law then we will comply right away!!!! LMAO
All of those "folks" clearly are NOT familiar with you or know the current FL "laws/statutes". Not surprising and atypical of gubmint employees.
you asked to photograph the record? Most open records laws do not allow this .. you should just ask to view the record; then you don't have to tell them why or who you are
David Mcbeth You are wrong, he's allowed under Florida law to do this.
"119.08 Photographing public records.--
(1)(a) In all cases where the public or any person interested has a right to inspect or take extracts or make copies from any public record, instruments or documents, any person shall hereafter have the right of access to said records, documents or instruments for the purpose of making photographs of the same while in the possession, custody and control of the lawful custodian thereof, or his or her authorized deputy."
- 119.08, 2003 Florida Code
RIGHT TO LOL
Useless public servants
WTF........
"You can't take pitchers cause that's security stuff". He does have a point there, Jeff.
With all this terrorism running around...
@@NeXtarProducts in this day and age
#Fail.
Once again you have gotten your rocks off by making a group of hard working employees look like fools and even worse you will put their images on TH-cam in that situation. Another angle to your cause could be to go in and play your little game and ask for the records and if you are truly interested in educating public employees then tell them exactly what you are doing. Oh, but wouldn't that spoil your fun. If you told them exactly what you were doing rather than jerking them around they would be more than happy to help you if you came in the next day without the drama. You are unbelievable and I only watch your videos for entertainment and can't believe anyone other than those like you would send you money so you don't have to get a job.
Just explaining the correct way to abide by the law will not change their attitude or policy. One has to litigate in order to change the way they are operating, hence, demanding that they get additional training as a stipulation in the settlement/win.
Ben, maybe you are right but I would hope and was thinking that education rather than intimidation might relieve the situation. :)