Chelsea robbed us of £65m on a mason mount with 1 year left on his contract. On pure principle Garnacho should not be sold to Chelsea for less than £100m. I wouldn’t sell him personally but looks like ineos want to sell. If we sell him for less than we paid for mount I might actually be sick 😂
If this club sells Garnacho and ultimately sacks Amorim I will NEVER watch another game again. There is only so much I can take - 10 years of rinse and repeat is beyond depressing….
@@mentality-monsterNah, I don’t think people realise that Amorim is literally this club’s last hope for a manager. We’ve tried everything else. This guy will have a successful career no matter what happens.
@@Chriztefurit’s not so much him as tht if we r not bk into the CL in 2026, we r in a financial doom spiral where we really will hv to sell anything worthwhile.
If Garnacho is sold,Ratcliffe is done. Only the tourists will turn up,the core fans have had enough. Ratcliffe and Wilcox are turning us into a feeder club.
He has scored incredible goals, important goals and assisted goals, yet he’s still very young, so not the finished article and will get better. Why sell him? With his desire and determination, he could be a top player. Crazy.
Its pretty obvious that we are skint - absolutely skint. Under the PSR rules the only way to book substantial profit is by selling youth players. Mainoo will be sold also watch. Its the only way to balance the books to start the rebuild.
We all have to make difficult decisions in life. If you can't afford to live in your house you have to move. I've done it and it's actually an easy decision
People judge Garnacho like he’s 27 or 28. Can say what you like about him but he is exciting, he’s a player that gets you off your feet, and that’s more Manchester United to me than anything else
Garnacho and Amad are the only 2 reasons I actually watch United at the moment. If neither of them are playing, you might as well go outside and paint your fence.
I like Amorim but what was the point of getting in a manager with a different formation/system when there's no money to get in players who suit it? So much spent under ETH and all wasted.
@RayWint-od9uj I don't think Amorim will do that, he will stick to his way, no matter what and he will succeed or fail doing that. Personally, I respect him for that.
Stop being babies. We’ve made terrible decisions over the past 10 years. Especially under ETH. Eventually that has to catch up with us in this new PSR environment. United are spending like a Champions League club on a Europa league budget. We all agree the Amorim needs wholesale changes in our squad. And I think we all agree that we have next to no sellable assets. So if we want him to improve the squad, some players we like we’ll have to make way for others to come in. As much as we want to get rid of the crap, the crap have no value.
@@hamishmurison3764 exactly. The other option is to continue with players that don’t fit his system, just in case he gets sacked. You either back him or you don’t. Half measures don’t work.
Wan-Bissaka only had one year left on his contract. Mazraoui was sold by Bayern Munich because of his political views. Dorgu costing €40m and earning 3x less than other targets is not overpriced.
@@danielberry4765 That's still overpriced for Dorgu when compared to other full backs his age that have been sold and that were on similar small wages.
@danielberry4765 still WAY over priced for a few reasons. He's 20, unproven and he's a LB. Not only that, we can get Alvaro back for 16m. So this deal makes zero sense at 40m
@@anthonyguiness9I don't think the debt counts against the PSR thankfully. It's the silly spending backing every manager we have had before sacking them and starting again.
@@3DSte1985 The cost of paying the debt counts though, unfortunately. Perhaps if we went into the post Ferguson era with a manager/DoF with a plan, we wouldn't have wasted money like we have.
@anthonyguiness9 that is true, but even now we're stuck on this idea of hiring 1 dimensional managers who require a specific profile of player and we then insist that manager be backed. I believe SAF would just trust his scouts to find him good players. He then tried to get the best out of him, it didn't always work. I think Amorim is being too rigid ATM, he needs to get the players on board before he starts loading his ideas. And to do that you need the players to win games, and to do that he needs to get the best out of them. His system right now doesn't do that. I will die on the hill that whilst we ain't got a title winning squad, we should be able to get 4th with this squad. We're massively underperforming. And just like with ETH, its on Amorim.
I remember watching Ronaldo making loads of mistakes, taking wrong options, bad passes, losing possession in his first couple of years with Utd until he learned his trade. Am not comparing them as players but he should be able to learn his trade and become world class, Keep pls !
The thing people used to constantly say about Ronaldo was, "There's no end product." That was 2004/2005. In today's social media climate when nearly every move he does ends in a shot straight at the goalkeeper, social media influencers are saying he's the finished article. Garnacho needs to be held to higher standards with constructive criticism.
@@IIJOSEPHXIIthat's when Ronaldo was 20, same age as Garnacho is now, and his end product is similar. He's never going to reach Ronaldo's level, But he's a proven player with ability to reach an even higher level on minimal wages (comparatively). We will not find a suitable replacement with the money we get for him and the wages will by 5-6 x Garnachos
Right, let’s keep making emotional decisions, because that has gotten us somewhere. We didn’t sell Lingard, Pogba, Martial because we thought they would be massive players for us, instead of taking the money and reinvesting into a squad that was in dire need of it. Amorim needs players for this to work, and we haven’t got the funds unless we sell. Garnacho doesn’t fit, the manager doesn’t want him. If we don’t sell him we’re undermining the manager.
you are missing the main point, we couldnt sell them because of their wages as well right now if a club had an option to buy between rashford, sancho, anthony, and garnacho, most clubs would take their chances with garnacho there is a reason why sancho is out on on loan for the 2nd season in a row, there is a reason why there are no buyers for rashford and anthony has left on a loan as well ideally these 3 players should be sold to bring in a decent transfer fee, can these 3 players together not bring in like 70-80 mil? thats why garnacho is being sold, he is easier to sell due to his wages and age, he will count as pure profit so that helps with PSR
@while I partially agree, that’s not the point. Garnacho is the only player that brings in money, yes, but time and time again we haven’t sold players for sentimental reasons. martial, Rashford, Pogba, lingard under Jose/Ole. This was pre-contract for martial and Rashford, and there were many suitors for Pogba. We didn’t sell them because “they were young exciting players”, but the manager didn’t want them. That’s why Jose left. We never sold them because either the owners liked them, or we were too scared to pull the trigger.
Nobody is buying them. Eriksen will leave on a free. Rashford, Casemiro are on high wages. Difficult to find suitors. Wages off would make a difference but that would be in the summer. Significant overhaul and reduction of wages should happen in the summer Garnacho is young and probably our most sellable asset. He has huge potential- very unfortunate! Would hate to see him leave
Our only way out of this is if ineos and glazers sell up and leave . The fact the glazers think they will get 10 billion is laughable ! The glazers have to clear the debt if they want to maintain value in this club !
When are we going to sort out the Glazer debt? We won't improve until we don't have the dead weight. I was hoping that INEOS would come in and have some clever financial move to shift that off our books or at least, partially.
The best thing Man Utd can do is start building a team with youth. Amorim can coach these players to play his style and in a few years we can see a successful team built. It is in the clubs interest to avoid paying £60-70 million for players with big egos. Man Utd need to pay some of the debt off quickly.
Grealish scored 3 goals in the championship as a 23 year old.... Nobody, and i mean nobody, know if a 20 year old will be a superstar or just a decent footballer.
@letswalkandwalk you can calculate that yourself. Zidane played for the mighty AS Cannes as a 20 year old and Modric was struggling at NK Inter Zaprešić... Don't even ask what Cantona was doing at 20....7 appearances for AJ Auxerre 😂🤣😂
Reading through these comments is both and fascinating and concerning insight into the United fans of today. I get that Garnacho was bought by the club a few years ago, young lad has spent a few years in the academy, given his debut and has given you some nice moment in the last 3 years, but where are your standards? You cannot seriously sit there and back Garnacho with such chest and want the club to progress under the new manager. Garnacho isn't clinical enough to be a striker, he's not intelligent enough to be a #10 and he doesn't have the athleticism to be a wing back. Where are you playing him? His only role at United going forward could be as a sub vs tired legs after 70 mins. How stupid is it to keep someone with actual high value for a role like that?! What does Garnacho do? He has weird knack of getting goal and being in decent positions every now and then. I wonder if you're the same person that now backs Maguire to stay at the club just because he had 3 or 4 decent games defending his box in a 3 man back line? Here are some stats for Garnacho this season: 1. 26% take-on success (that's less than Ismaila Sarr, Andy Robertson and Joelinton) 2. 64% of his take-ons end up with an opponent tackling him (that's worse than Welbeck and Jordan Ayew) 3. He has the 9th most big chances missed this year (10) despite playing only 58% of full minutes 4. 13 successful take-ons (that's in the 36th percentile, remember he IS a winger after all) What's very clear is that you like the kid. You talk about this "potential". He's played 118 games, when does the decision making get better? When do you learn to take on your man as a winger? 28? 29? His ceiling is lower than you want to believe, you have to accept it. He's not the player you make him out to be. Yes he got a lovely goal and the Puskas award, he got the assist for Amad vs Liverpool (where he nearly messed it up and left Amad with more work to do) and he got gifted a FA Cup final tap in vs City. Take those few things out and you have a Januzaj that got more games. In fact, Januzaj was a better footballer who broke into a better team. Come back down to earth, sell him for some money that can be invested into proper players that suit our new system.
Respect that comment. Totally agree. United fans are afraid to get rid of someone half decent to take a chance on someone that could be excellent. Right now United need experienced players about about 24,25 who aren't afraid to get tough on an opponent. There's a thousand players out there that improve on Garnacho for me. Get the money, move on. This situation isn't as precious as people make it out to be. It's just group think.
Someone done some homework. That's the reality, and the fact is James Manchester Muppetitiers who's on the money for MUFC news confirmed the reason is Garnacho is actively looking at his options.
Thank you for this comment. Reading comments like “it would be awfull to see him play for Chelsea” proves maturity of this fan base. Our fans were used to idolising players in SAF times and that is very visited today. First we defended Pogba with our lives, then Rashfords, Lingards and Martials, and take a look at their imprint that they ve left at this club, it will be forgotten in 5 years (some of them already). I would not mind seing Garnacho get Balon d Or if that means these 60 millions help us get back to the track. Plus this isnt one of those Ten Hag decisions where you push legends of the game like Ronaldo and De Gea out of the club for your own tactics, this legit just simply makes sense.
Best comment on the thread here. Haven’t seen anyone really ever understand that Garnacho is all potential and we have the power through selling him, we can improve in areas we actually need.
He is 20 years OLD, all that stats you are talking about, look at the players you are comparing him with, do you expect a 20 year old to top those charts? he has played 118 games and that is another issue with the club, this is 2nd full season at the club, he shouldnt be playing these many games, you cant just put a young academy player out there and expect him to carry the club there is no room for making mistakes and growth, also what would the next breakthrough prospect look at the environment and think about his future? the club which boasts about bringing youth through has fallen to place where we are relying on selling our academy players so that we can buy players from other leagues? you are talking about Januzaj, also talk about Dean Henderson, James Garner, Angel Gomes, they were highly rated in the youth set up and also did well out on loan, but we sold them to buy replacements from other clubs, how well has that worked for us so far?
He could become a great winger in the future - which we don't need under Amorim - if he massively improves his decision making, but I doubt he'd make a good wingback or CAM. He's scored 1 in 7 this season and that's with Ten Hag trying to build his attack around him over Amad, Rashford, Hojlund, etc. 3 of those goals came in the cup against Barnsley and Leicester. Looking like a goal threat doesn't mean he is an actual goal threat. 100% sell if we get a good offer.
Selling Garnacho would show how screwed MUFC are as a club, the fan base has a bad case of short terminism, I remember Giggs being 8/10 one week then 3/10 for a week then dropped for a month, Ronaldo's first season was dreadful in a really great team. Yet Garnacho/Mainoo get thrown in to a shite team play every game & expected to be saviours
It's not about how good he is. It's about having no momey to spend. How do we improve the squad without selling saleable assets? Who else is going to bring in that kind of transfer fee?
@ we can already afford Dorgu. The summer (post June 30th) is a whole new year. Theres a whole bunch of balance sheet levers eg sale of assets to Jim, to Glazers, debt for equity swap etc etc, that are much better than cannibalising the living organism.
@@l1nx258 additionally if we force out tht fat fecker casimero, tht slow fecker Barry, and tht broken fecker shaw, we can buy 2 new reasonably priced players just from savings. We have to start doing whatever is necessary to force them out. Train with the kids, eat in their cars, humiliate them, no perks for wives/ families, brief against them in the press - get mean. Tht Ayn rand disciple Jimbob is happy to do it to ppl with nothing.
Criminal to get rid, especially now Antony is gone and Rashford doesn’t look like he’ll be getting re introduced any time soon. We could get rid of 3 players in attacking areas without replacing them in an already goal shy side. Madness.
Complete bollocks this. So we should rather stagnate as a club and make decisions based off fear?! It's literally what Woodward and the Glazers did, held onto Pogba, Martial, to a lesser extent Rashford, etc out of fear of what they'd become if they left. Garnacho has not refused these offers, once a players head is turned it's best to let them go.
@hamishmurison3764 I know we have to sell but losing Garnacho, Antony and Rashford in same window is worrying. Leaving an awful lot of minutes to Amad and Bruno
James Manchester Muppetitiers one of the best sources of MUFC news said Garnacho actually wants to leave, nearly left for Athletico Madrid last season. So all you critics, that's the reason, he wants to explore options available.
Summary we have shit owners, no money, to much debt and we are seriously lacking quality. Ineos answer is sell best player's and rise ticket prices. Fucking genius
That kind of is the answer though. We're fucked financially so they need to bring in money. Fucking sucks but that's the reality. I don't agree with the ticket hike and I think they are wrong on that. But selling the only valuable assets we have to rebuild the squad is the only place real momey is going to come from.
@ i would rather wait and sell the old, over paid players before we make signings rather than flog our best youngsters at knock down prices so that we can get a bit of transfer market dopamine.
We are making a worse mistake than pogba because atleast garnacho is already premier league proven who else has made the impact he has coming through the youth in the last 6/8 years
Great interview. One question I have is. How is it we are not allowed to spend money when we generate a lot of money. Yet City early days were buying Yaya Toure and Augero despite never even being near a European trophy in decades
If our financial situation is that bad, we have absolutely no excuses but to rebuild from within. There has to be some top quality under 18s/under 23s across the board at this club. Regardless of the shit show of our scouting network & management structure. We should be integrating these youngsters to more than just the odd sub appearance. In five years, as long as we don't get relegated (!!!!), we will be in a really strong position with quality on the field, and a powerful financial position off it.
On the point of United's spending - the club has been spending top money on average-to-decent players. If you look at all the players signed in the last few years, how many of them were really hot properties at the time? De Ligt for example, his status dropped off and United are hoping he'll become the player everyone thought he'd be four years ago.
Berrado has come from City where if any player wanted to go they could as long as acceptable fee was agreed. Garnacho does not fit this system & is not a starter. Sell Garnacho for £60m. Sign Dorgu, M.Cunha & Dibling. Rashford, Antony, Malacia all leave on loan
If we sell Garna in the January transfer window, to fucking Chelsea too when we could arguably create a bidding war if neccessary in summer, then I'll be convinced this board are clueless!
If we sell Garnacho at this stage in his career then it’s a new level of low in my lifetime of being a match going red - since 85/86. He might not be the next Ronaldo or Giggs but he is 20 and we just wouldn’t consider selling someone like him, at his age and career stage, ever before.
Dorgu looks the business as a left wingback. If United lands him Garnacho will play 2nd fiddle. Thats why he up for sale. It’s a choice United has to make and it would work best for Garnacho as well. He’s a brilliant player and needs to play in regular first team football.
How would Garnacho play 2nd fiddle when they don't play in the same position? Dalot's been our LWB and Garnarcho's been used as one of the attacking mids..
Antony still hanging on in there, What's that all about thought Betis was done deal?? It's crazy how the whole week gas been about Amorim having a go in the dressing room this was the norm not so long ago and now he has to back down, Mad.....
“Revenue is Vanity Profit is Sanity Cash is Reality” Critch dropping pearls. We are cash strung. Last 3 years have done a lot of damage, bad spending again - lower revenues. Which is why there is a lot of talk on selling players. Academy players bring in pure profit. It’s tough for us to get our head around it but to get back to normality we probably have to sell and balance our books. Reality !
If he was to be sold I wouldn’t be against the idea of Napoli or even Madrid. Doesn’t feel right him ending up at Chelsea ! But if they’re willing to pay the right price then to could be a sacrifice worth making
They must know that Garnacho doesn’t see his future at United and likely wouldn’t sign a contact extension. He would depreciate in value every season if that were the case. They’re getting what they can, while they can.
Garnacho was linked to team leaks true or false where there’s smoke.. perhaps he’s broken an unforgivable rule.. was it him or Rashy surely someone was leaking team info and there is a possibility Garnacho was linked to that and that is a sellable offense. This could be the case.
I think if it was concluded to be Garnacho that Amorim wouldn't have reintroduced him to the team, I think he'd still be banished like Rashford is at the moment..
INEOS knew the dire financial state of the club when they did their due diligence. There has to be a plan other than cutting people’s bonuses and other trimmings around the bush
Let’s be precise. I like Garnacho, he’s great for his age and I hope we keep and develop him, even though he does not fit the system. But he is not even close to being our biggest threat. It’s clearly Bruno, and it’s clearly Amad. Everybody else is miles behind at this point. But I do agree with the sentiment, if the guys in charge are worth their salary, they should be able to find deals for the likes of Casemiro, Rashford, or Antony to finance new acquisitions.
How social media influencers and content creators have turned on Rashford is beyond me. He's got twice as many goals in the premier league as Hojlund this season and has the same amount of goals under Amorim as Zirkzee. Fans should be saying we need to use him even if he is going.
"What’s the issue if we get someone better in ?" A. Where's the guarantee in that with our club? B. We're not even remotely linked to a replacement for him so it seems highly likely that we're not getting anyone in, let alone someone guaranteed to be better than him.
It's not a popular option, but the club is in such a poor financial position that developing and selling academy players for the next few years is the most reliable way to generate large amounts of profit. It's not nice, but it probably is the best thing for the long-term health of the club. Look at how Brighton have grown under that model.
Becoming a feeder club for the top European teams is a good move. Let's build that 2billion pound new stadium. Ineos are over achieving on their promises. The Glazer family are very proud
how can business men not do business and run a business like united not as difficult to promote united every one knows of united united sell more kits than most teams have a huge fan base going to games its not run properly from the day the con men got there hands on the club
SAF was a freak had he decided to be a sports agent instead of manager he would have been the world's best Same as if he'd decided to be a youth scout.
I think most of the times we overestimate our players from our academy, we are biased this way. For me if the manager wants to sell them and then get money to buy the players he wants, great. Otherwise we will end up with another rashford, massively overpaid and unsellable
Here you go, finances sorted and squad improved in 1 year... Jan Out - Anthony (L), Rashford (L) In - Dorgu £25m Net - £0m Summer Out - Onana £20m, Malacia £5m, Anthony £20m, Rashford £60m, Casimero £20m, Sancho £25m, Zirkzee £25m, Shaw £0, Evans £0, Lindelof £0, some academy players £20m £195m In - Oblak £20m, Leon £3m, Gomes £0, David £0, Tah £0 £23m Net spend +£147m Oblak/Bayindir Mazraoui/Dalot Dorgu/Leon Martinez/Kukonki De Ligt/Maguire Tah/Yoro Ugarte/Collyer Mainoo/Gomes Fernandes/Mount Amad/Garnacho David/Hojland
Its always clubs who cry poor who want our players. Then demand obscene money for their players. Take Napoli, want £150m+ for a striker who wants out so badly he has gone on loan in TURKEY. Yet think Garnacho is only worth £50m? At the end of the day they either pay the asking price (which should be £100m+) or stop talking about the player.
Blame the owners for this,Terrible team they got together and made terrible after terrible decisions on players! Now look where we are,And it all falls back to the Glazers,Ineos isn’t safe either,I don’t like neither of them…If we sell Garnacho to Chelsea,Then i’m afraid the Glazers succeeded to finish us off. Edit:If Garnacho goes to chelsea i’ll be sick and never watch a game from them again..
I like Grana but I think he is not our saviour and if we can get a decent value for him, no player is bigger than this club. Sometimes you need to sell to improve.
Man utd fans are not use to seeing a system and dont really understand what that means. Some of your favourites might have to go. Btw we finished 8th and we have been a low as 14th this season i hope that helps
I think im seeing the demise of utd before my eyes and as a lfc girl it's like a car accident u cant take ur eyes off it. Garnachos ur best attacking g player besides Bruno and rashy. Rashfords obv gone if u sell garnacho to..ur atm kinda acting like a brighton selling ur best assets, ur literally changed and imo aren't even a top 4 club anymore atm. Its pretty scary looking and hearing all the financial straits...wat a downfall in the last few months ,from the promise following the summer...yea u guys are where ur meant to be based upon those struggles.
If united are looking at getting rid of garnacho and Chelsea go in for him I would honestly ask for 40-50 mil and joàh félix as the don't really play him and he would honestly fit what amorim is looking for and he's Portuguese he would work well with Bruno and dalot and he's still only 25 I think félix would thrive at united personally
Dont know why so much love for Garnacho. He is just a fast Welbeck. His descion making is poor. You are getting 60m take it now. He may or may never become 100m player, not the first player whom our fans have adored like CR7 just to realize another Janujaz. Also do some research, AG has started looking for club not the other way round. Expected better from Stretford paddock
Chelsea robbed us of £65m on a mason mount with 1 year left on his contract. On pure principle Garnacho should not be sold to Chelsea for less than £100m. I wouldn’t sell him personally but looks like ineos want to sell. If we sell him for less than we paid for mount I might actually be sick 😂
Chelsea didn't rob united. It was united being united.
I agree . 100m is starting fee or no sale.
It was actually a decent price at the time
@@fakethiscrap2083 I agree, so we need to learn to walk away from negotiations.
@@anthonyguiness9 ???
If this club sells Garnacho and ultimately sacks Amorim I will NEVER watch another game again. There is only so much I can take - 10 years of rinse and repeat is beyond depressing….
If only that were true. We'll all be back.
@@mentality-monsterNah, I don’t think people realise that Amorim is literally this club’s last hope for a manager. We’ve tried everything else. This guy will have a successful career no matter what happens.
@@Chriztefur It’s got to the point where everyone can agree it’s the owners.
@@Chriztefurit’s not so much him as tht if we r not bk into the CL in 2026, we r in a financial doom spiral where we really will hv to sell anything worthwhile.
If Garnacho is sold,Ratcliffe is done. Only the tourists will turn up,the core fans have had enough. Ratcliffe and Wilcox are turning us into a feeder club.
He has scored incredible goals, important goals and assisted goals, yet he’s still very young, so not the finished article and will get better. Why sell him? With his desire and determination, he could be a top player. Crazy.
Because of PSR. It’s pretty obvious
Its pretty obvious that we are skint - absolutely skint. Under the PSR rules the only way to book substantial profit is by selling youth players. Mainoo will be sold also watch. Its the only way to balance the books to start the rebuild.
Poor attitude at his young age plus a high value. Good business
Because he wants to leave
We all have to make difficult decisions in life. If you can't afford to live in your house you have to move. I've done it and it's actually an easy decision
People judge Garnacho like he’s 27 or 28. Can say what you like about him but he is exciting, he’s a player that gets you off your feet, and that’s more Manchester United to me than anything else
He gets you off your feet?? 😂😂😂 united fans are starving
I can't say he gets me off my feet, I can read what he's going to do every time!
@@RastaMouse29 you’d know if you went to matches in real life not your basement
@@anthonyguiness9 I mean at the games, which you don’t understand obviously
Garnacho and Amad are the only 2 reasons I actually watch United at the moment. If neither of them are playing, you might as well go outside and paint your fence.
These Athletic lads are always a great interview!
I like Amorim but what was the point of getting in a manager with a different formation/system when there's no money to get in players who suit it? So much spent under ETH and all wasted.
Then surely the manager changes to play a way to suit the players he has and not players he has not.
@@RayWint-od9ujten hag tried that and look what happened
@RayWint-od9uj I don't think Amorim will do that, he will stick to his way, no matter what and he will succeed or fail doing that.
Personally, I respect him for that.
@@free_gold4467 I hope that respect continues when we are relegated.
We spend 60million on glazer debt last year , if that wasn’t there we wouldn’t have to sell, glazers out
Antony gone rashford not even part of the squad so if garna goes we are solely relying on amad
If this is the case, they owe 150 million, they're skint...Why hire a manager who you know will require more players for his system ..madness
We needed new players anyway
Stop being babies. We’ve made terrible decisions over the past 10 years. Especially under ETH. Eventually that has to catch up with us in this new PSR environment. United are spending like a Champions League club on a Europa league budget. We all agree the Amorim needs wholesale changes in our squad. And I think we all agree that we have next to no sellable assets. So if we want him to improve the squad, some players we like we’ll have to make way for others to come in. As much as we want to get rid of the crap, the crap have no value.
They always look at it from either a pessimistic view (these sales are bad because what if Amorim is sacked) or fan mentality (entitlement)
well said!
@@hamishmurison3764 exactly. The other option is to continue with players that don’t fit his system, just in case he gets sacked. You either back him or you don’t. Half measures don’t work.
No way Dorgu who plays for a relegation level Serie A team costs more than Wan Bissaka or Mazraui.
Wan-Bissaka only had one year left on his contract.
Mazraoui was sold by Bayern Munich because of his political views.
Dorgu costing €40m and earning 3x less than other targets is not overpriced.
@@danielberry4765 That's still overpriced for Dorgu when compared to other full backs his age that have been sold and that were on similar small wages.
@danielberry4765 still WAY over priced for a few reasons. He's 20, unproven and he's a LB. Not only that, we can get Alvaro back for 16m. So this deal makes zero sense at 40m
@@Peakfitn3ss
No it’s not.
Alvaro Fernandez isn’t good enough and doesn’t fit the physical profile.
Jesus fucking Christ.
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Which fullbacks were sold ?.
We have ruined ourselves buying shit
No, the glazer debt ruined us
@@anthonyguiness9I don't think the debt counts against the PSR thankfully.
It's the silly spending backing every manager we have had before sacking them and starting again.
@@3DSte1985 The cost of paying the debt counts though, unfortunately.
Perhaps if we went into the post Ferguson era with a manager/DoF with a plan, we wouldn't have wasted money like we have.
@anthonyguiness9 that is true, but even now we're stuck on this idea of hiring 1 dimensional managers who require a specific profile of player and we then insist that manager be backed.
I believe SAF would just trust his scouts to find him good players. He then tried to get the best out of him, it didn't always work.
I think Amorim is being too rigid ATM, he needs to get the players on board before he starts loading his ideas.
And to do that you need the players to win games, and to do that he needs to get the best out of them.
His system right now doesn't do that.
I will die on the hill that whilst we ain't got a title winning squad, we should be able to get 4th with this squad.
We're massively underperforming. And just like with ETH, its on Amorim.
I remember watching Ronaldo making loads of mistakes, taking wrong options, bad passes, losing possession in his first couple of years with Utd until he learned his trade. Am not comparing them as players but he should be able to learn his trade and become world class, Keep pls !
The thing people used to constantly say about Ronaldo was, "There's no end product." That was 2004/2005. In today's social media climate when nearly every move he does ends in a shot straight at the goalkeeper, social media influencers are saying he's the finished article. Garnacho needs to be held to higher standards with constructive criticism.
@@IIJOSEPHXIIthat's when Ronaldo was 20, same age as Garnacho is now, and his end product is similar.
He's never going to reach Ronaldo's level,
But he's a proven player with ability to reach an even higher level on minimal wages (comparatively).
We will not find a suitable replacement with the money we get for him and the wages will by 5-6 x Garnachos
Great interview guys! Also appreciate my nans duvet cover getting a refit into Jays jumper :)
Right, let’s keep making emotional decisions, because that has gotten us somewhere. We didn’t sell Lingard, Pogba, Martial because we thought they would be massive players for us, instead of taking the money and reinvesting into a squad that was in dire need of it. Amorim needs players for this to work, and we haven’t got the funds unless we sell. Garnacho doesn’t fit, the manager doesn’t want him. If we don’t sell him we’re undermining the manager.
you are missing the main point, we couldnt sell them because of their wages as well
right now if a club had an option to buy between rashford, sancho, anthony, and garnacho, most clubs would take their chances with garnacho
there is a reason why sancho is out on on loan for the 2nd season in a row, there is a reason why there are no buyers for rashford and anthony has left on a loan as well
ideally these 3 players should be sold to bring in a decent transfer fee, can these 3 players together not bring in like 70-80 mil?
thats why garnacho is being sold, he is easier to sell due to his wages and age, he will count as pure profit so that helps with PSR
@while I partially agree, that’s not the point. Garnacho is the only player that brings in money, yes, but time and time again we haven’t sold players for sentimental reasons. martial, Rashford, Pogba, lingard under Jose/Ole. This was pre-contract for martial and Rashford, and there were many suitors for Pogba. We didn’t sell them because “they were young exciting players”, but the manager didn’t want them. That’s why Jose left.
We never sold them because either the owners liked them, or we were too scared to pull the trigger.
We didn’t sell them cause they were shit, massive wages and nobody wanted them
We can get rid of: Eriksen Maguire Mount Rashford Onana Casemiro Hojlund Shaw Lindelof..... all before GARNACHO!! are we totally mad??!!!
Nobody is buying them. Eriksen will leave on a free. Rashford, Casemiro are on high wages. Difficult to find suitors. Wages off would make a difference but that would be in the summer. Significant overhaul and reduction of wages should happen in the summer
Garnacho is young and probably our most sellable asset. He has huge potential- very unfortunate! Would hate to see him leave
All in too much money to move. They will rot until their contracts are finished.
I would be so gutted, if Ineos sells him. And to put in context, I haven't felt gutted for many years loosing/selling a player.
I understand but we bought him from Atletico....
Was more gutted when greenwood turned out to be an abuser tbh
Our only way out of this is if ineos and glazers sell up and leave . The fact the glazers think they will get 10 billion is laughable ! The glazers have to clear the debt if they want to maintain value in this club !
If Garnacho goes to Chelsea it will be an absolute disgrace!!!
Would be horrible seeing him playing for them sick
Grow up
When are we going to sort out the Glazer debt? We won't improve until we don't have the dead weight. I was hoping that INEOS would come in and have some clever financial move to shift that off our books or at least, partially.
The best thing Man Utd can do is start building a team with youth. Amorim can coach these players to play his style and in a few years we can see a successful team built. It is in the clubs interest to avoid paying £60-70 million for players with big egos. Man Utd need to pay some of the debt off quickly.
I must be watching a different Garnacho to everyone else. He is just a decent player and is deffo not utd biggest goal threat
Grealish scored 3 goals in the championship as a 23 year old....
Nobody, and i mean nobody, know if a 20 year old will be a superstar or just a decent footballer.
How many goals did Zidane or Modric score on average per season lol😂
@letswalkandwalk you can calculate that yourself.
Zidane played for the mighty AS Cannes as a 20 year old and Modric was struggling at NK Inter Zaprešić...
Don't even ask what Cantona was doing at 20....7 appearances for AJ Auxerre 😂🤣😂
Reading through these comments is both and fascinating and concerning insight into the United fans of today.
I get that Garnacho was bought by the club a few years ago, young lad has spent a few years in the academy, given his debut and has given you some nice moment in the last 3 years, but where are your standards? You cannot seriously sit there and back Garnacho with such chest and want the club to progress under the new manager.
Garnacho isn't clinical enough to be a striker, he's not intelligent enough to be a #10 and he doesn't have the athleticism to be a wing back. Where are you playing him? His only role at United going forward could be as a sub vs tired legs after 70 mins. How stupid is it to keep someone with actual high value for a role like that?!
What does Garnacho do? He has weird knack of getting goal and being in decent positions every now and then. I wonder if you're the same person that now backs Maguire to stay at the club just because he had 3 or 4 decent games defending his box in a 3 man back line? Here are some stats for Garnacho this season:
1. 26% take-on success (that's less than Ismaila Sarr, Andy Robertson and Joelinton)
2. 64% of his take-ons end up with an opponent tackling him (that's worse than Welbeck and Jordan Ayew)
3. He has the 9th most big chances missed this year (10) despite playing only 58% of full minutes
4. 13 successful take-ons (that's in the 36th percentile, remember he IS a winger after all)
What's very clear is that you like the kid. You talk about this "potential". He's played 118 games, when does the decision making get better? When do you learn to take on your man as a winger? 28? 29? His ceiling is lower than you want to believe, you have to accept it. He's not the player you make him out to be. Yes he got a lovely goal and the Puskas award, he got the assist for Amad vs Liverpool (where he nearly messed it up and left Amad with more work to do) and he got gifted a FA Cup final tap in vs City.
Take those few things out and you have a Januzaj that got more games. In fact, Januzaj was a better footballer who broke into a better team. Come back down to earth, sell him for some money that can be invested into proper players that suit our new system.
Respect that comment. Totally agree. United fans are afraid to get rid of someone half decent to take a chance on someone that could be excellent. Right now United need experienced players about about 24,25 who aren't afraid to get tough on an opponent.
There's a thousand players out there that improve on Garnacho for me. Get the money, move on. This situation isn't as precious as people make it out to be.
It's just group think.
Someone done some homework. That's the reality, and the fact is James Manchester Muppetitiers who's on the money for MUFC news confirmed the reason is Garnacho is actively looking at his options.
Thank you for this comment. Reading comments like “it would be awfull to see him play for Chelsea” proves maturity of this fan base. Our fans were used to idolising players in SAF times and that is very visited today. First we defended Pogba with our lives, then Rashfords, Lingards and Martials, and take a look at their imprint that they ve left at this club, it will be forgotten in 5 years (some of them already). I would not mind seing Garnacho get Balon d Or if that means these 60 millions help us get back to the track. Plus this isnt one of those Ten Hag decisions where you push legends of the game like Ronaldo and De Gea out of the club for your own tactics, this legit just simply makes sense.
Best comment on the thread here. Haven’t seen anyone really ever understand that Garnacho is all potential and we have the power through selling him, we can improve in areas we actually need.
He is 20 years OLD, all that stats you are talking about, look at the players you are comparing him with, do you expect a 20 year old to top those charts?
he has played 118 games and that is another issue with the club, this is 2nd full season at the club, he shouldnt be playing these many games, you cant just put a young academy player out there and expect him to carry the club
there is no room for making mistakes and growth, also what would the next breakthrough prospect look at the environment and think about his future? the club which boasts about bringing youth through has fallen to place where we are relying on selling our academy players so that we can buy players from other leagues?
you are talking about Januzaj, also talk about Dean Henderson, James Garner, Angel Gomes, they were highly rated in the youth set up and also did well out on loan, but we sold them to buy replacements from other clubs, how well has that worked for us so far?
Real Madrid just became the first football club to create one billion in revenue in a year. What the fk are we doing???
The chickens have come home to roost for united. Decades of destruction.
If we sell Garnacho at 20 years old to a rival then Man Utd is more lost than i thought. Hope it's just click bait due to transfer window being slow .
United are nuts. Have been forcing out their Academy players for lesser talents for years.
What they did to Jesse Lingard was criminal and he was only little. 😢
Ineos entertaining the idea of selling Garnacho is STUPIDITY on new level!
He could become a great winger in the future - which we don't need under Amorim - if he massively improves his decision making, but I doubt he'd make a good wingback or CAM. He's scored 1 in 7 this season and that's with Ten Hag trying to build his attack around him over Amad, Rashford, Hojlund, etc. 3 of those goals came in the cup against Barnsley and Leicester. Looking like a goal threat doesn't mean he is an actual goal threat. 100% sell if we get a good offer.
Nobody really wants Rashford there just hoping to get him fir nothing with united paying most of his wages.. they know we are desperate
His reputation proceeds him.
Lecce want the full 40 million for Dorgu. Might as well keep Garna and bid for Carreras. 15 million buy back
They must not favor Carreras.
Selling Garnacho would show how screwed MUFC are as a club, the fan base has a bad case of short terminism, I remember Giggs being 8/10 one week then 3/10 for a week then dropped for a month, Ronaldo's first season was dreadful in a really great team. Yet Garnacho/Mainoo get thrown in to a shite team play every game & expected to be saviours
Exactly,Selling both of them is such a horrible mistake,And i’ll be done with Man Utd if they do this and Sack Ruben.
I remember 2 and a half seasons of Ronaldo being worse than Garna.
It's not about how good he is. It's about having no momey to spend. How do we improve the squad without selling saleable assets? Who else is going to bring in that kind of transfer fee?
@ we can already afford Dorgu. The summer (post June 30th) is a whole new year. Theres a whole bunch of balance sheet levers eg sale of assets to Jim, to Glazers, debt for equity swap etc etc, that are much better than cannibalising the living organism.
@@l1nx258 additionally if we force out tht fat fecker casimero, tht slow fecker Barry, and tht broken fecker shaw, we can buy 2 new reasonably priced players just from savings. We have to start doing whatever is necessary to force them out. Train with the kids, eat in their cars, humiliate them, no perks for wives/ families, brief against them in the press - get mean. Tht Ayn rand disciple Jimbob is happy to do it to ppl with nothing.
Criminal to get rid, especially now Antony is gone and Rashford doesn’t look like he’ll be getting re introduced any time soon. We could get rid of 3 players in attacking areas without replacing them in an already goal shy side. Madness.
Send Rasford to Nice
Rooney wasn’t United born and bread look at the service he gave
I'm a Liverpool fan and any utd supporters putting Rooney in the sentence as these current utd players is laughable what a player Rooney was
@ your missing the point
Complete bollocks this. So we should rather stagnate as a club and make decisions based off fear?! It's literally what Woodward and the Glazers did, held onto Pogba, Martial, to a lesser extent Rashford, etc out of fear of what they'd become if they left. Garnacho has not refused these offers, once a players head is turned it's best to let them go.
What fear?
We have no money.
We spend £1.5m a week on players not playing 😢
I agree. Every player you’ve listed is more talented than Garnacho, and we also should’ve let them go.
@fathi573 when they were 20 nobody knew what they would achieve. That's the point
@@hansj5846 we have no money so where do you think that'll come from in order to get players who fit Amorim's team?
@hamishmurison3764 I know we have to sell but losing Garnacho, Antony and Rashford in same window is worrying.
Leaving an awful lot of minutes to Amad and Bruno
It's the debt
James Manchester Muppetitiers one of the best sources of MUFC news said Garnacho actually wants to leave, nearly left for Athletico Madrid last season. So all you critics, that's the reason, he wants to explore options available.
Summary we have shit owners, no money, to much debt and we are seriously lacking quality. Ineos answer is sell best player's and rise ticket prices. Fucking genius
That kind of is the answer though. We're fucked financially so they need to bring in money. Fucking sucks but that's the reality. I don't agree with the ticket hike and I think they are wrong on that. But selling the only valuable assets we have to rebuild the squad is the only place real momey is going to come from.
Facts MUFC tickets have been to cheap for years in comparison to others
Garnacho earns the same as Tom Heaton and less than Jonny Evans and he's a starter, prem proven and has huge potential
Starting price for Garnacho should be £100m, that is how mich we would get quoted if he played for someone like dortmund.
Starting price is irrelevant. Garnacho as a sellable asset is only worth what others are willing to pay.
@ so dont sell him, duh
@TheBlightspawn That's an option, but the consequences of that option leave us unable to make signings.
@ i would rather wait and sell the old, over paid players before we make signings rather than flog our best youngsters at knock down prices so that we can get a bit of transfer market dopamine.
@TheBlightspawn Sell who, for how much and to who?
We are making a worse mistake than pogba because atleast garnacho is already premier league proven who else has made the impact he has coming through the youth in the last 6/8 years
We need to protest
Grow up
@ ok bot man whatever you say. If we sell Garnacho I’m done with the team I’ve supported for 30 years. I’d say that’s reason enough for protest
No way should be sold.
Great interview. One question I have is. How is it we are not allowed to spend money when we generate a lot of money. Yet City early days were buying Yaya Toure and Augero despite never even being near a European trophy in decades
I'd rather take any latest Garnacho transfer news off the postman than any media outlet tbh .
I usually get the news from my dog. No false predictions so far
You guys need to come up with a different mic system. Listening to people slamming their hands on the table every 5 seconds is so irritating
Lots of podcasts do this. Once you notice it you hear it everywhere.
You seem miserable
If our financial situation is that bad, we have absolutely no excuses but to rebuild from within. There has to be some top quality under 18s/under 23s across the board at this club. Regardless of the shit show of our scouting network & management structure. We should be integrating these youngsters to more than just the odd sub appearance.
In five years, as long as we don't get relegated (!!!!), we will be in a really strong position with quality on the field, and a powerful financial position off it.
If we sell Casemiro the money would go straight to Real Madrid because we haven't paid for him yet 😢
On the point of United's spending - the club has been spending top money on average-to-decent players. If you look at all the players signed in the last few years, how many of them were really hot properties at the time?
De Ligt for example, his status dropped off and United are hoping he'll become the player everyone thought he'd be four years ago.
Berrado has come from City where if any player wanted to go they could as long as acceptable fee was agreed. Garnacho does not fit this system & is not a starter. Sell Garnacho for £60m. Sign Dorgu, M.Cunha & Dibling. Rashford, Antony, Malacia all leave on loan
How are you suggesting they pay for Dorgu, Cunha and Dibling?
If we sell Garna in the January transfer window, to fucking Chelsea too when we could arguably create a bidding war if neccessary in summer, then I'll be convinced this board are clueless!
Why the fuck would we get rid of him makes no sense ? We have so many other players that are much worse!! How dare they get rid of him. Must keep him
Diogo Dalot is a really good signing, versatile, regular starter, dependable, he's a Lexus.
This guy is good
If we sell Garnacho at this stage in his career then it’s a new level of low in my lifetime of being a match going red - since 85/86. He might not be the next Ronaldo or Giggs but he is 20 and we just wouldn’t consider selling someone like him, at his age and career stage, ever before.
Dorgu looks the business as a left wingback. If United lands him Garnacho will play 2nd fiddle. Thats why he up for sale. It’s a choice United has to make and it would work best for Garnacho as well. He’s a brilliant player and needs to play in regular first team football.
How would Garnacho play 2nd fiddle when they don't play in the same position? Dalot's been our LWB and Garnarcho's been used as one of the attacking mids..
He isn’t going anywhere
Antony still hanging on in there, What's that all about thought Betis was done deal?? It's crazy how the whole week gas been about Amorim having a go in the dressing room this was the norm not so long ago and now he has to back down, Mad.....
“Revenue is Vanity
Profit is Sanity
Cash is Reality”
Critch dropping pearls. We are cash strung. Last 3 years have done a lot of damage, bad spending again - lower revenues.
Which is why there is a lot of talk on selling players. Academy players bring in pure profit. It’s tough for us to get our head around it but to get back to normality we probably have to sell and balance our books. Reality !
“Sign more Dalots” yea stick to the numbers my guy
Why try ab sell one of our only goal threats when we're in a relegation battle and can't score for shite. Jim can kiss my ass and go support Chelsea
No room for wingers
GARNACHO His finishing let's him down
If he was to be sold I wouldn’t be against the idea of Napoli or even Madrid. Doesn’t feel right him ending up at Chelsea ! But if they’re willing to pay the right price then to could be a sacrifice worth making
Too late, your club plays too arrogant greedy, at the end United will sell no one, and buy no one!
They must know that Garnacho doesn’t see his future at United and likely wouldn’t sign a contact extension. He would depreciate in value every season if that were the case. They’re getting what they can, while they can.
Garnacho was linked to team leaks true or false where there’s smoke.. perhaps he’s broken an unforgivable rule.. was it him or Rashy surely someone was leaking team info and there is a possibility Garnacho was linked to that and that is a sellable offense. This could be the case.
I think if it was concluded to be Garnacho that Amorim wouldn't have reintroduced him to the team, I think he'd still be banished like Rashford is at the moment..
@@em_siit is believed that one of Garnacho’s family members
INEOS knew the dire financial state of the club when they did their due diligence. There has to be a plan other than cutting people’s bonuses and other trimmings around the bush
No left side garnacho, rashford, malacia, shaw gone. Getting a leftwing back is going to do fuck all in us scoring goals.
Let’s be precise. I like Garnacho, he’s great for his age and I hope we keep and develop him, even though he does not fit the system. But he is not even close to being our biggest threat. It’s clearly Bruno, and it’s clearly Amad. Everybody else is miles behind at this point. But I do agree with the sentiment, if the guys in charge are worth their salary, they should be able to find deals for the likes of Casemiro, Rashford, or Antony to finance new acquisitions.
Ineos are being so pathetic. If garnacho is sold for less than 80m they are fools
Garnacho is 20 but he’s played more games then more 24-25 year olds. He’s not up for it and he’s a winger! We don’t play with wingers anymore.
Critch and Laurie in the same week lovely stuff
How social media influencers and content creators have turned on Rashford is beyond me. He's got twice as many goals in the premier league as Hojlund this season and has the same amount of goals under Amorim as Zirkzee. Fans should be saying we need to use him even if he is going.
We should not be selling our potential young gems. It's not as if he's an old has-been, in his twilight years.
1. He’s not actually very good. 2. What’s the issue if we get someone better in ?
"What’s the issue if we get someone better in ?" A. Where's the guarantee in that with our club? B. We're not even remotely linked to a replacement for him so it seems highly likely that we're not getting anyone in, let alone someone guaranteed to be better than him.
It's not a popular option, but the club is in such a poor financial position that developing and selling academy players for the next few years is the most reliable way to generate large amounts of profit.
It's not nice, but it probably is the best thing for the long-term health of the club. Look at how Brighton have grown under that model.
If we sell Garnacho we should go for Julio Enciso in the summer
Becoming a feeder club for the top European teams is a good move. Let's build that 2billion pound new stadium. Ineos are over achieving on their promises. The Glazer family are very proud
how can business men not do business and run a business like united not as difficult to promote united every one knows of united united sell more kits than most teams have a huge fan base going to games its not run properly from the day the con men got there hands on the club
SAF was a freak
had he decided to be a sports agent instead of manager he would have been the world's best
Same as if he'd decided to be a youth scout.
I think most of the times we overestimate our players from our academy, we are biased this way. For me if the manager wants to sell them and then get money to buy the players he wants, great. Otherwise we will end up with another rashford, massively overpaid and unsellable
Here you go, finances sorted and squad improved in 1 year...
Jan
Out - Anthony (L), Rashford (L)
In - Dorgu £25m
Net - £0m
Summer
Out - Onana £20m, Malacia £5m, Anthony £20m, Rashford £60m, Casimero £20m, Sancho £25m, Zirkzee £25m, Shaw £0, Evans £0, Lindelof £0, some academy players £20m
£195m
In - Oblak £20m, Leon £3m, Gomes £0, David £0, Tah £0
£23m
Net spend +£147m
Oblak/Bayindir
Mazraoui/Dalot
Dorgu/Leon
Martinez/Kukonki
De Ligt/Maguire
Tah/Yoro
Ugarte/Collyer
Mainoo/Gomes
Fernandes/Mount
Amad/Garnacho
David/Hojland
The whole Garnacho saga is outrageous! We basically are selling him to give SJR money in the kitty to play football manager in the summer!
OUTEOS
😂
why don't you buy a whole club then ?
They called the city reporter again
Simple.....keep Garnacho or sell him and use that money to buy 2-3 players to Improve the team
And if you listen to that Walter mitty howson, he'd have you believe he offers us nothing.
Its always clubs who cry poor who want our players.
Then demand obscene money for their players.
Take Napoli, want £150m+ for a striker who wants out so badly he has gone on loan in TURKEY.
Yet think Garnacho is only worth £50m?
At the end of the day they either pay the asking price (which should be £100m+) or stop talking about the player.
Blame the owners for this,Terrible team they got together and made terrible after terrible decisions on players! Now look where we are,And it all falls back to the Glazers,Ineos isn’t safe either,I don’t like neither of them…If we sell Garnacho to Chelsea,Then i’m afraid the Glazers succeeded to finish us off.
Edit:If Garnacho goes to chelsea i’ll be sick and never watch a game from them again..
Is it really bad? Feck Yes. Read Swiss Rumble on this as well as The Athletic.
I like Grana but I think he is not our saviour and if we can get a decent value for him, no player is bigger than this club. Sometimes you need to sell to improve.
Man utd fans are not use to seeing a system and dont really understand what that means. Some of your favourites might have to go. Btw we finished 8th and we have been a low as 14th this season i hope that helps
Gary Nevil at the W e F
I think im seeing the demise of utd before my eyes and as a lfc girl it's like a car accident u cant take ur eyes off it. Garnachos ur best attacking g player besides Bruno and rashy. Rashfords obv gone if u sell garnacho to..ur atm kinda acting like a brighton selling ur best assets, ur literally changed and imo aren't even a top 4 club anymore atm. Its pretty scary looking and hearing all the financial straits...wat a downfall in the last few months ,from the promise following the summer...yea u guys are where ur meant to be based upon those struggles.
isn't that good if we sell him and turn it to be some good quality players ?
Sell sponsorship rights for the stadium then?
If united are looking at getting rid of garnacho and Chelsea go in for him I would honestly ask for 40-50 mil and joàh félix as the don't really play him and he would honestly fit what amorim is looking for and he's Portuguese he would work well with Bruno and dalot and he's still only 25 I think félix would thrive at united personally
Dont know why so much love for Garnacho. He is just a fast Welbeck. His descion making is poor. You are getting 60m take it now. He may or may never become 100m player, not the first player whom our fans have adored like CR7 just to realize another Janujaz. Also do some research, AG has started looking for club not the other way round. Expected better from Stretford paddock