james burns that’s crazy. I can’t even imagine being one of the victim’s parents and seeing a bunch of strangers show up to testify against you in court after your child just got murdered...
That's just the way the establishment photoshop artist do it for these false flag operations. They get a kick out of letting you know it's all BS without actually coming out and saying it. They are mocking the public. All of these ficticious false flag perpetrators are photo shopped to look crazy, ominous, or some even cartoonish.
@@blackreign673 In the sense that the story the news agencies report to the public is false, then yes. That's not to say, there wasn't any actual violence, may have been.
I graduated with him at Westview highschool 2005 in San Diego CA. He grew up in Rancho Penasquitos and took mostly AP classes. I can't believe he did this.
@@aldxbaran dude I don't even think it was a false flag but calling people who do in these days makes you sound like the crazy one. you probably think there has Never been a false flag event hahaaha Rheeeetard go learn how to read some of the CIA documents that are now public maybe you will see how F up things really are
Don't you feel any sympathy for him, his family?? Of course it's tragic that all those people were injured or killed , but it's a great tragedy that he did not get the help he needed. He's going to be in prison all drugged up for the rest of his life. I saw his mother interviewed and I just kept thinking , what if that were my son? There is mental illness in my family, I have bipolar, bad anxiety and a host of other symptoms and I have been through the system, social workers are pretty worthless when it comes to diagnosing people, finding a good psychiatrist is difficult. Mental health care in this country is pathetic. These doctors just start throwing pills at you and see which ones stick. They never get to the root of the problem, which could be trauma or severe illness . This doctor has a clue, most don't. They don't care. Or they have mental health problems themselves, or they're burnt out. Schizophrenics I have known were fine, bright compassionate people in the teens but onset comes in early 20's usually and just morphs them into something else. It's so sad.
@@anastasiamurawski6179 I feel for the guy, but people stating over and over in therapy that they have an irresistible urge to kill "many people" simply need to be locked up. If I go to an ER and show signs of self harm, they'll lock me up to protect me from me. Who was protecting those innocent theatre-goers? Nobody. That's who.
I’ve got a friend with the same disorder listen in the title. He is a genuine guy. Very flat emotionally. He doesn’t cry or feel sad ever about really anything. He is empathetic though because he asks me and my mutual friends how we’re doing and keeps check on us. He is completely against violence and thinks the world should get along, rather than be at arms with each other all the time. He is very funny and has grown a lot since I’ve helped him get out of his comfort zone. Took years to do it but now he’s quite the social person.
My best friend of many years has schizotypal personality disorder. It's under control as he takes antipsychotics. When he misses a dose he completely loses all sense of reality and it's really difficult to communicate rationally with him. He's one of the most funny and interesting people I have ever met but he can't really live a productive life. He lives with his mother and he collects disability. His intelligence I would say is above average and he's very switched on but his anxiety and paranoia is always there stopping him from doing things.
Thanks for this positive comment about your friend. This guy’s videos seem incredibly negative towards schizotypal people but your comment made me feel better and seen
@Stephanie Campbell Probably because they think the person is interesting and they get along. I'd rather hang with someone like that instead of the same boring, dull people I see everyday.
@Stephanie Campbell He was my sister's friend. She didn't know he had it, & he stayed away from her when he suffered most; so he wouldn't alienate her. He confided in me.
One of the sweetest, smartest, and funniest people I have ever known was a roommate and “leader” in our social group in the early 90’s ended up losing complete contact with reality and was diagnosed with schizophrenia around the age of 20 Heartbreaking
So I haven't watched this yet, will watch it now. But I just wanted to mention something funny that happened. I have been bingeing your videos over the last couple of days, on the TV in the lounge. My husband doesnt watch with but rather plays video games on his computer. Whilst watching a video you had a subtle little dry humor. My husband piped up out of nowhere "did he just make a joke??" Thanks for the videos. You are very endearing and your content is factual and informative.
I laughed in this video when he talked about him receiving additional 3000+ years sentence, he said "I don't think he'll need to take those Planning for Life After Release classes at the prison..."
I was kicked out of the military for having schizoid, schizotypal personality disorder, and a dysthymic disorder, but no one ever told me what all that means.
Schizoid is that you have a lack of motivation to do anything and have nearly inexistant interest in people, you also have a flat affect, don't react or barely to provocation. Schizotypal is associated with magic thinking, psychosis and also low interest for people and weird emotional reactions. And dysthymia is just depression IIRC The thing with schizo- disorders is that none of them is clearly defined. My first psychiatrist thought I was schizophrenic at first, another thought I was schizotypal, the neurologist working with him thought I was schizoaffective for some reason but I understand it's not her job to decide that, my current psychiatrist just added "psychotic traits". I've never suffered from psychosis so far 🙄 It can also literally just be autism. Autism gets misdiagnosed as schizo disorders because they share the features of flat affect and limited interest for social interactions and repetitive behaviors do exist in schizophrenia too sometimes. I was personally disappointed that they'd be so quick to diagnose psychosis on me and seemed to think it's a waste of time to get screened for autism... But also, if I get diagnosed as autistic, it can also be a misdiagnosis of a psychotic disorder so maybe it actually is a waste of time. I don't think I care anymore. It's exhausting and the meds have no positive effects on me and I can't deal with psychologists anymore. I'll still try to get proper treatment for my anxiety and stuff like that, try rTMS, but I think I'm about done with the whole thing. I just want to be left alone while not suffering from poverty (a compromise society is not willing to make).
I am a retired psychiatric nurse with experience as the psych nurse for the mental health department of two large jails. I noticed that Adam Lanza and James Homes have nearly an exact match of the eye expression. I have not noticed that in other high profile killers. However, over the years of working in jails, I have seen four or five patients with this same stare....a sort of "look that cannot be denied." All of those patients were convicted of their crimes and had life without parole sentences. I wonder if this expression is rare, or common. Most of the mentally inmates that the mental health department treated and guided toward long term commitment were very sick patients. I know that last reference may seem odd, but, indeed, some patients are much sicker than others and the price to themselves and society is profound. Can Dr. Grande expand on that appearance? Excellent presentation on James Holmes.
I’ve struggled years with depression, anxiety and panic attacks. Over the years I’ve gone from an extrovert to an introvert. I don’t particularly care for the company of people. I know this guy had serious problems, but I’ve never understood how people become so violent and completely detached from humanity. Another well prepared comprehensive video by Dr. Grande. Thank you.
Always the contradictions though yhat not resolved: if other people are worthless and can be killed then we. too are worthless and not needed to be alive. But since the focus is always on others this thinking would be hard to come by.
@@vjhardy100 It's not as simple as someone casually pondering the value and meaning of life. James Holmes seemed to have been debating this topic with himself for most of his life, which all led up to what happened. Sometimes I wonder if people say "I can't understand" but what the really mean is, "I don't want to understand." It's understandable to be afraid of this dark truth, to be afraid of empathizing with it and understanding it but that's the only way to move forward; that's kinda the point of psychology.
@@vanillaketamine6060 casually pondering? Pondering by implication is deep n serious. And I never said anything about ' not understand '. Just pointing a contradiction on a line of thought. And a simple generalisation-- if one life is worthy, every life is worthy. There's a contradiction when we point at someone else as worthless forgetting that three fingers point at ourselves. I agree though that this lack of reflection is what makes it a psychological issue.
Hey I know this is an old comment, but have you checked out MBTI tests? It's Myers Briggs types. This tests helps you understand and learm your own personality better. It's legit. The CIA uses it to quickly assess how to communicate with new assets in the field. So basically everyone has a few different personality traits, and your balance of these traits can help you best express yourself with your own personality. For example some people are extroverted while some are introverted. This does not have anything to do with depression. Some of the happiest people are introverted. It just means they recharge their social energy while alone. Other traits are things like if you use thinking or feeling as your main type of information processing. For example: my type is INTP. This means I'm Introverted-Intuitive-Thinking-Percieving. Those are my major traits you would encounter if you interacted with me, it's how I interact with the world. Now sometimes if an extrovert is depressed they can feel more introverted. Oddly for them the cure is to go into public because extroverts charge energy in crowds. I know this all sounds crazy but please look into it. There are 16 types of personalities, and if you take the test and answer HONESTLY you can get to know your type and how to it can help you in this world. In psychology college courses they have moved to a new more nuanced type of test, but for beginners I recommend you start with MBTI. The tests are free online and take 30 mins
I was a sacred little kid who hid under desks and in closet in kindgergarden and did his homework dilligently, by grade four I was diagnosed with conduct disorder and was suspended for the first of probably 50 times by high school's end. All it took was appreciating that for the few hours I was not at home I was basically as free as I wanted to be, any consequences came much later and was worth the trade off for the fun. Cuz home was no fun either way.
Well, consider that the doctor states that this was the opinion of his college teachers, who are all a bunch of fukin' educated elitist idiots anyway, as far as I'm concerned. I give absolutely no credence to the casual observance of detached, anti-social-prone, elitist intellectuals, who likely share some of the same mental defects that Holmes suffers from.
It's definitely hard in situations like that, when a young child shows excessive attention to something like schoolwork, it could be religion or some other Noble virtue. So.etimes it's for the right reasons but sometimes that child is using it as a defense.
'@@jaelge Ah yes, because implying that people have mental defects because of your own weird bias against educated/intellectuals is 100% very totally much more big credible and not ableist at all. I mean, I agree that the college assessment was off, but that's a weird overreaction that comes off as a major projection. js.
It's as if he assumed "another version" of himself before committing the mass murder; a one who's able to stand out and get attention. Even his choice of hair dye, a bright orange, during that time probably made him stand out in a grocery store etc. It's as if dying his hair was a step towards this new version.
I would love to be a student in one of your courses. I enjoy your presentation of information, and I very much appreciate your sense of humor. I hope your channel continues to explode in popularity!
Thought this channel would be boring, but after giving it a chance, it’s extremely elucidating in reference to all the true crime series I watch. So thank you for your work and contributions. Exceptionally well done 💯
Parents often do not take into consideration 'social skills' when 'pushing' their children to succeed. They just see that their kid does well in school/or seems capable of working and they just push the kid in that direction in spite of clear signs that something is awry. I work with disabled kids and I come across these parents periodically. I've had two students this past year whose parents seem to know about the many 'social' barriers that their kids have but because both students completed their work and excelled in school-they dismissed the infantile social behaviors (not respecting 'average' social boundaries, in appropriate response to situations). These types of kids need constant and fast intervention-a behavioral coach, or job coach who works with them from the minute people notice these issues. And even then that doesn't always help a lot. For example-one of my student's would constantly invade people's space and when I mentioned this to the parent they said they had been working on that with a Behavioral Aide and that they had no issues at their volunteer site. I said-"He's still doing it quite a bit" and reminded parent that I only mention it because outside our 'protective' circle, in the real world, something like that could cause lots of problems for his child; thank God, he agreed.
You are with the children as much if not more than the parent is. Your insight and recommendations should be used along with those of others who interact with the child.
I think the hard thing for a lot of special needs parents is that despite their experience they're still not trained professionals. You might understand that your child has a medical or mental condition, but you don't have 8 years of collegiate training to understand that problem and how to treat it.
The Colorado "shooter" did a lot of damage for one college student on drugs. He was so looped in the car that they could not take a mug shot until the next day.
What's scary is that his doctors tried desperately to stop him and they couldn't do anything. So many people went after his doctor, but she did everything that she legally could do. I hope she got help for herself because I can't imagine how bad she feels about all of this.
@Enchanted Odds what does that have to do with my comment? You should also consider the fact that if he had been forced to get the help he needed those people would still be alive. Even if you don't care about the mentally ill you should care about what happens when they don't get adequate treatment. I want less victims and if that means that we have to pay for and force people into treatment I am okay with that.
In the UK, all mental health doctors/councillors what have you, have a clause that you are told before they treat you, that if you are at risk of hurting yourself or others, they can do away with doctor-patient confidentiality. It seems crazy that thats not the standard everywhere.
This case is so interesting. I have just finished watching 8 hours of his psych report/interview and came here to see your evaluation of him. Good work 👏
I’ve met two people with low empathy that seemed to have concrete thinking. They couldn’t understand analogies but were otherwise extremely intelligent and witty. This paradox is baffling to me.
The left brain can override everything else. RE: Myself, I am medically rigid/reptilian if you so to speak but that is not my soul. RE: My soul and body don't agree with each other.
I had a colleague like this. Her humor was also concrete. I later decided she us somewhere on the autism spectrum. The lack of ability by a highly intelligent person to understand metaphor is a giveaway.
I was wondering if you could talk about how poverty effects mental health? I am a psychology and social work student, so it would be interesting to learn how people who live in poverty have their mental affected by those circumstances.
This case always reminds me of a time in my life, when I went to high school and started taking psychology classes. At first I was very interested in psychology, but one day I went to the library and decided to read about schizophrenia. I took a book and started to read about the symptoms of schizophrenia, when I started to have severe anxiety about the topic. I tried to read more, but in the end I had to give up reading because I started to feel extremely anxious. My imagination was so wild, that when I read about the symptoms I started to wonder how it feels to hear voices etc. and that lead to a huge panic attack. For days afterwards I kept monitoring myself for symptoms of schizophrenia and even mixed my own thoughts as voices. I never read about schizophrenia again and my motivation towards psychology has never been the same. I realized that it was not good for me to think too much about topics like that and to be honest to this day I haven't really read too much about things like psychosis or schizophrenia. I wonder if something similar happened to Holmes, since he studied neuroscience. Maybe he was also an anxious person and it didn't do good for him to read about topics like that. Sometimes it is better not to know everything.
This sounds like the time when I was a little kid, thinking in the car as my mom was taking us somewhere. Suddenly I asked her if it’s possible to swallow your own tongue. I had to be left at her cousin’s house because I was suddenly afraid to swallow, fearing my tongue would fly down my throat if I did. Fortunately my fear only lasted a few hours, but I look back and roll my eyes at what a little weirdo I was.
This is really interesting. Forgive me for suggesting this, but do you think maybe you can sometimes be a bit of a hypochondriac? I say this because I can very much be one myself, and this sounds like something similar to things I do.
Psychology in high school? Nonetheless, I too am this way. I wanted to be an attorney but after hearing some of the horrific cases I had a panic attack for days. Same with mental health and animal cruelty and abuse. It’s very bad that I cannot even watch or hear a news story about any of these topics including brutal crimes. I was told I’m an empath and this is why.
@@Brumslyno. They’re probably an empath. Just like not everyone can stomach brain surgery, they can’t stomach mental health like this. That was rude of you to say. Not everyone can eat liver because we think it’s gross. That means I’m over reacting?! Cmon
Most people who've gone through narcissist abuse from a partner will tell you how psychologically difficult healing is in the stage of wondering if you're the one with NPD or bpd. I also had mentally ill friends use drama against me and tell me all these things about my psychological profile villainizing me only to apologize months later saying they didn't mean anything. Suffice to say I didn't finish the psychology degree I'd started before all this because it brought me back into obsessive introspection and self-analysis.
Don't know if you'll get this, as you wrote a year ago. The same has happened with me....I found Dr Grande last night and I've binge watched for 15 hours so far. I hope that's not a sign of some disorder! 😂
James Holmes was not 'evil'. He was suffering from a mental dissorder.
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Naw it’s more the length people will go through to to address these situations based off actual research of human psychology. So we understand and address this kind of shit better in the future. Evil is just a concept it’s not tangible, peoples brains being broken is something we know is real. It’s not an excuse for said behavior it’s just the facts
Old Iron. No. But after watching 15 hours of interviews ordered and released by the court in order to determine his mental health I at least understand the context.
I was always taught the same as your assessment. That schizotypal personality disorder can be premorbid to schizophrenia. I had also wondered if his being let go from grad school was significant, in that his routine was lost and potentially the student health center was less available. It sounds like this was not the issue but that he could spend all of his time planning his crime. Great analysis.
This shooting disturbed me more than any until the Sandy Hook shooting. I feel so bad for the victims and their families, and it's a shame that the killer wasnt helped or halted before he was homicidal. I was watching the same Batman film at a theater in a different state on the day this occurred approximately around the same time (I think, the timezone isnt the same and I dont really want to see any pictures by looking it up online). I remember coming out of the theater and finding out about this shooting and thinking that it just as well could have been someone in my area who walked into my theater, and I might be the victim. It was an unpleasant feeling of sympathy and empathy for the pain and death amplified by the coincidence. I wish the shooting never happened.
That definitely brings cases like this one much closer to home. I've lost loved ones tragically and know how painful it is and can't imagine how losing a goof friend or loved one to murder would feel. I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend. Sending you best wishes, from Australia.
I'm so sorry sundog my cousin was supposed to be in that theater so now ever since then I can't look at the movie theater I walk pass it with my head down or I have to look at my phone cause I do not want to look at the movie theater my husband has to be on my left side when we go to the mall cause I have the shakes when I walk pass the movie theater
"Why do people need to be alive in the first place?" Sent chills through my spine. My mom died last year and I'm still fucked up. I think this too but whenever I do it makes me cry, not want to hurt people.
I understand very much how you feel and the deep dread and despair around losing someone so close. I sometimes find myself asking why we have sentient life, as it seems almost like a cruel trick. But reality is what it is and we cant fight the natural order of things.
From my personal experiences with psychotic episodes, this honestly feels way too long term planned and organised to have been committed in the throes of a serous psychotic episode. He did target practice, adapted his plan when he had got the tickets wrong, bought the tickets in advance etc, I (in one of my most recent episodes) couldn’t get it together enough to even tie my shoes... I know it’s not the same, ore even similar for everyone, but it just doesn’t feel as if that frenzied state of mind is there.
So true. I made it to the comments section to say exactly this. Never really bought this dude was that psychotic. I mean he may have been a tad skizotypal but I feel like his dominant issue was darker, like psychopathy or sadism.
In complete agreement.Holmes wanted to kill as many people as he could get away with,never have to work again and be taken care of for the rest of his life. Mission accomplished. It makes me physically sick of our justice system.
He was looking for concrete answers to his social and psychological problems in science. But if he can't grasp basic metaphors he dove head first into mind body problems which takes up most of philosophy religion psychology some neuroscience etc. You can't get more abstract except maybe advanced physics. However James Fallon is a famous neuroscientist studying psychopathy who found out from a head scan he had a brain feutures typical of psychopaths. So sometimes people do find answers in a way.
@@belliotrungy9107 I was thinking maybe he found something about neuroscience that sent him over the edge, going into an abyss of strange drugs and basically formatting his brain from being able to form rational thoughts. Wouldn't surprise me if he had an informant-like character to drive him in the direction he went.
@@Thrashaero no it's clear he had problems from an early age which he wanted answers to then became lazy with neuroscience which can be theory driven. This video discusses his lack of understanding of metaphors and obsessive thinking. Had he been a little more together he might have done great work in something but seems like his brain was messed up at a biological level so neuropsychology or neuropharmacology might have made more sense 🤷 but again with problems with metaphors he's going through many layers himself with his own somewhat crude brain technology. I don't think he could engineer his own neuroplasticity without a good map. How do you reverse engineer a UFO without a UFO 👽 mind brain problems aren't great for someone who can't grasp a parable unless I'm getting my facts mixed up. Everyone loves Jordan Peterson but it's clear even he gets lost in his maps of meaning. 🤷 James never had a chance
This was incredibly informative, I'm doing a psychological autopsy on James Holmes as part of my degree in uni and your video is very helpful thank you! Also the burns were sick, you're wicked.
Psychiatry is such a subjective science. It's amazing how little we really know about the human mind. It's sad that he began to lose himself at the age of 10. There being no trauma associated with his degeneration, one can only wonder if there is a physical or inherited cause
Nah....The only thing that's sad about this whole story ARE THE INNOCENT PEOPLE HE MURDERED & THE FAMILIES THAT STILL TO THIS DAY & WILL FOREVER HAVE TO LIVE WITH THIS...There are millions of people all over the world that suffer as much & immensely greater than this POS..But they are not planning every detail of mass shooting people..!!!..Unbelievable...
They look empty...similar to some other mass shooters, like the sandy hook shooter. It’s a blank, vacant stare and it gives me the chills every time I see it
I know someone who was in the CU doctorate program when Holmes was there. She said he was beyond weird and gave her the creeps. He was very awkward socially and in the class, as Dr. Grande mentioned.
Dr. Grande, your assessments and views/opinions , are of particular interest to me since my daughter graduated with her degree in psychology, what makes people tick, how they are wired, was it empirical? Nurture v nature, environmental factors? Fascinating and I believe it is correctly empowering the more we can understand our fellow human, thanks for always doing such a great clear and concise video, cheers !
@@seka1986 yeah but no one mentions the fact he had social anxiety disorder. It's mentioned in his manifesto but most people don't bring that up for why he couldn't introduce himself to women. most people just think he was too narcissistic to introduce himself and just sat around waiting for women to introduce themselves to him.
@@vice2versa but that's totally why it happened. Not saying he didn't have social anxiety, but he legit was too far up his own ass to apply himself in that department, despite him being eaten alive by his unfulfilled need for female adoration. I do agree that he'd be an interesting subject for the good doctor here, though.
@@mc_zittrer8793 no in his manifesto, he actually made some attempts to put himself out there. He tried saying hi to a girl walking past him one time, thats the only courage he was able to muster before retreating back into his shell. It's just when you have social anxiety, disorder, it comes across like you are not trying but your brains high level inhibitions stop you from really being able to do anything about it. normal people take their self expression for granted but someone like him usually end up virgins for a very long time and are unable to express themselves in a healthy manner. they just come across as shy and aloof or at worse awkward. Elliot hated being seen that way and i don't blame him because I hate being seen that way.. I will say that his ego is big and his inability to put himself out there and get a girlfriend stung way worse for him than the average person which is why he took that as more of an insult than your average guy that doesn't have much luck with women. For elliot, the idea of commiting acts of violence came far easier to him due to the level of anger and envy in his heart.
There he is. ..🙂 I agree with almost all reasoning you did in this vid. However, there are a few things, in which I think slightly different. Firstly, it was reported in our media, that he's a person suffering from schizophrenia, and I think this diagnosis is absolutely justifiable in his case. I never doubt this one single minute. This illness is a process - and of course it can start with what appears in younger years as a paranoid, schizoid or schizotypal personality disorder. Who is born with full blown schizophrenia? Having catatonic states, his concrete thinking style that you mention when it comes to proverbs and his reluctance to share his inner world and all his other symptoms make him at least in my opinion a very classical schizophrenic person though. (When I saw his first picture, I actually thought that he suffers from Graves' ophthalmopathy, too. His eye problems are even more extreme than I remembered them, I refered exactly this picture that you showed at the very beginnning of the vid). I disagree with two further statements of yours, firstly, that his thoughts about not feeling worthless when killing people, since their life makes no sense/has no aim in itself makes totally sense to me from a logical point of view. These thoughts are not in line with values that most people share, as well as I do, and esp. they contradict Christian values. However there is nothing inherently illogical in them imo (I would reason here, that his thoughts are so rational, that they actually become inhumane). I also can relate easily to his assumption the girls and women would like to meet him because of his profile on the dating page. Well, in a rational world, this would take place exactly like he assumes. Being somewhere in the realm of schizophrenia or the autism spectrum makes it hard to emphasize with other more common forms of human crazyness, who aren't in this realm. That these women might want to connect to him, because he is famous due to a capital crime he committed must have sound totally odd and irrational to him, I suppose. I would part this from the horrible crime he committed. He is so obviously seriously mentally ill, and would be brought into a psychiatric facility for very long time here in Europe. I don't know what is better - a forensic psychiatric clinic or jail, and I don't envy people who had to decide one of this two fates for him. This is an extremely tragic story for all people involved. Thank you, doctor, for presenting this man in such a well thought through fashion. 💗
Hi, I know this is a year old comment, sorry, but I just wanted to acknowledge how insightful and thought-provoking it is. Thank you for choosing to share your perspective on it as it differs with Dr. Grande. I hope you’re doing well!
It would be great to see a more in depth video about trichotillomania. It is something that I have developed a few years ago and there are not enough factual resources on it! Thank you as always for the amazing content :)
Typically people that say “thoughts of killing people” might be more full blown APDs and have other personality traits that are very different from James Holmes
Thing is, a lot of people have those types of fantasies, but nonetheless, that's not something to push aside, even if the individual would never hurt anyone.
it's human nature to think violent thoughts, none of us are little angels. they're called intrusive thoughts. they are thoughts, they are not concerning to psychologists/psychiatrists until you start telling them that you are indeed going to kill someone (or yourself) or you are planning to.
I’d love to see a video regarding the idea that children of psychologists have more issues. Or if there’s is any truth in it because I’ve heard this a lot.
The thing I’ve noticed about therapists is they don’t tend to judge any behavior as bad. I understand the approach and theory of this approach, but it seems we have 50 years of data that states the approach is a failure.
I have only known one child of a psychologist....well, both parents were psychologists. He was kicked out of college his Freshman year due to psychiatric instability. I remember there being lots of drugs, broken glass and terrifying pictures/journal entries. It is my only data point though.
I remember watching James Holmes’ entire trial. It was sad and fascinating, there is a lot to learn about the law and about mental health from this case. Thanks for making this video!
@Takeshi Matimoto I’m not fascinated by the actual killing, for me it’s the whole legal aspect and how trials are conducted, but yes, I get your point!
Love your videos. Scientifically informative and reflective of your deep experience. Very different from the typical generic videos on TH-cam. Keep the great work up Doc!
As an autistic person, I can have a go at explaining what Holmes meant when he said people had no purpose or meaning (why did it matter if they lived or died) and so killing them made him feel less worthless. If he considered other people more worthy than him simply via their ability to live with each other in human society, one he could not himself fully participate in yet when he looked at it, it seemed their lives had no purpose or meaning - then by killing these more worthy people, that would make him feel less worthless as he now had no-one to compare himself to.
it derives from boredom and inbound thinking, that you cant go beyond the barrier of existence, that you are within bounds of the universe and dont know what's outside that dimension and that's why he thinks everything is meaningless because he cant confirm the existence of a greater reality.
Maybe. I just think there was a lot more going on with him than ASD and even delusions. He was bad to the bone lol, probably a dark triad personality. I'm autistic as well and saying I don't participate in society is a huge understatement and while I do have concerns about the point of existence, I don't wish for others to suffer. I do believe we are no more important than other sentient beings but I don't even enjoy killing insects.
Wouldn't mind seeing Holmes dead, though. People like him only exist to make existence even more miserable. Never really understood the logic of some folks who say "if you kill even someone lie Ted Bundy, you're acting just like him!!!" No. I'm not lol He's a sadist.
What an excellent, comprehensive examination of the many diagnoses that could be applied to this mass murderer! I love that you looked at many aspects of his development and socialization (or lack thereof) over the years. Thanks for continuing to provide concise, fascinating descriptions "of what could be going on" in the cases you address, Dr. Grande.
I would love to see a video that talks more about homicidal ideation. I've seen a lot of information about suicidal ideation and ways psychologists screen for it, but I don't see as much discussion about HI. I always appreciate your perspective!
I had trouble with public speaking in front of crowds so I made myself take speech 1 & 2 in college. I got an A in both and got over my fear of speaking in public
@@kurtlamprecht93 I bet you are dealing with social inadequacy hence your standoffishness and passive aggressiveness. I'd bet you may even relate to James Holmes in some ways. And that's absolutely okay! We all have a little social anxiety
I took one speech class, and I have severe anxiety too, unfortunately it didn’t help me. After the class was done, the teacher offered remarks and comments to each student aloud, and I still remember what he told me because I thought it was odd, and it was also said in front of everyone which made me uncomfortable because I felt like I was outed out. He said that as soon as I went up there it’s like I would flip a switch. I rarely interacted with people in class, because I was always anxious, and I never did quite enjoy talking to people. I still don’t, but I care deeply for others, and I wish I had the ability to be myself around others.
I humbly implore you Dr. Grande to do an analysis of "The Girl in the Box case" the abduction and torture of Colleen Stan by Cameron and Janice Hooker. Easily each person would require their on video. Lastly I'd like to convey my appreciation for you spending your time and all that you've learned over your career to help better educate the people in this world. Your a top bloke Doc Grande.
@@dougrogan379 You didn't have to take the time to correct my poor grammer but you did and for that my dear Baxter I commend you. Many are fearful to correct me as I'm a 13th degree blackbelt in origami and just the sight of me picking up a napkin is enough to send absolute terror and urine down the pants of people. You've earned my respect Mr. Stockman may you go forth and conquer all that's around you beautiful champion.
I am autistic and I take everything, everything literally. I have little to no ability to think abstractly. I have at least learned if someone tells me nonsense like the glass houses thing, to ask them what they mean.
depression, humiliation and anger from not understanding any non-concrete language and from the deep humiliation/shame of being or feeling different: he did his homework to avoid attention. wanting to avoid attention means a desire to avoid humiliation. being humiliated can make one angry at a person or people who humiliated you. being ashamed can make one depressed- you werent humiliated BY someone, but rather you felt INTERNALLY ashamed. humiliation leads to external blame. shame leads to internal blame. he did everything "right" (make good grades, not draw attention) but was not rewarded (no friends, no acceptance, no purpose, ostracized) ocd tendencies or depression (wallowing? obsessive depressive thoughts?) meant he couldnt release himself from the humiliation thought patterns. thus, *he felt humiliated ALWAYS* and so he lashed out. he took his revenge on the world who humiliated him.
I would love your analysis of the case of Mary Bell, and of the killing of James Bulger. In both cases the perpetrators were 10 years old, and killed toddlers. After their jail sentences they were given lifelong anonymity.
I understand the impulse toward that judicial call, but unless it goes along with a lifelong parole and therapeutic treatment requirement, I think it's extremely unwise.
TUCK - Hidden Values I feel it’s a correct call, particularly in the Jamie Bulger case. The two perpetrators would have gotten lynched, had they not been given new identities, such was the public outrage. This cannot be acceptable, even to people to are fundamentally in favour of capital punishment (which I am emphatically not). One of little Jamie’s murderers is back in jail for repeatedly being found in possession of child porn, so there clearly is some monitoring of their behaviour subsequent to release. Mary Bell had the most awful childhood, being used as a sexual prop by her prostitute/dominatrix mother from the age of 4, if I remember correctly. While these children were murderers, they were also victims. They would absolutely have been murdered themselves, had their identities not been concealed, therefore turning somebody else into a murderer. Awful all around.
6:55 James was sentenced to 12 Life sentences without the possibility of parole plus 3,318 additional years. If he was Canadian, he'd have to do the full 25 years for sure.
Lmao if he was Canadian he would be out with a clean bill of health, name change with full anonymity, and put up in a place that tax payers pay for. He and Vince Li would be roommates. Our justice system is an absolute joke
The antidepressant meds he was put on before the attack might have triggered bipolar mania, a mixed episode and/or a schizoaffective psychotic episode. Regardless of a diagnosis, I really think his doctor should also be accountable. She obviously screwed up in my opinion.
Just went to the theater and made a video about the event. It's sad that this happened. Even more sad that James never got the real help he needed and even worse that 12 people had to pay for it. RIP to the 12 victims
I watched the 25 hours interviews. Holy nail ghosts, I was sucked into the vortex that is James holmes. I was surprised to hear how his social anxiety was coped with by using homicidal thinking.
I got diagnosed with schizotypal personality disorder just because I believe in reincarnation and ghosts. I attended a Wiccan cover- reincarnation's not an unusual belief for a Wiccan. Neither is ghosts, and I was raised to believe in them as my Dad does too. Looking at this guy makes me wonder if my psychiatrist was the crazy one. I WANTED a diagnosis of ASD, not for kicks or even whatever counseling I could get. I figure I've made about all the progress it's possible to make, I can make eye contact if I have to and I've even developed something of a brain to mouth filter, though it's exhausting to do, and I don't need it to be on disability as I'm already disabled through other stuff. I just wanted the vindication, that my childhood of being socially inept, extremely unpopular, and an easy target for bullies weren't my fault. That the issues I still have aren't my fault. That I wasn't just stupid or lazy. (I'm a genius, but it's easy to feel stupid when you can't bluff and routinely struggle to tell when people are joking or being sarcastic if they don't make it obvious, or when you've never been able to recognize people well, tell people you don't see much apart, and are unable to describe people's facial features.) As a young kid my Dad made a joke about the both of us being aliens, and me being, well, me, I didn't realize he was joking and thought that explained why I never felt like I was the same as my classmates. About a year later I realized that I was, after all, just human, which was nice and all but it left me still feeling like a freak with no explanation why I was different. That was in my first year of kindergarten. (I was held back because we'd just moved and my grandpa had died, apparently I wasn't doing too well and the school told my parents they could either hold me back a year or let me advance normally and I they thought I'd have a mental breakdown. So my parents held me back to be on the safe side. Personally I don't remember being emotionally bothered by it at all. I'd went from one place where I didn't socialize and had no friends to another place where I didn't socialize and had no friends, so it wasn't as much of a change as the school thought. The only thing I hated was that the teacher kept ignoring me in class.) But apparently it's impossible because 1, they'd have to exclude other things and I have several comorbid conditions (Family history, yay! /sarcasm), and 2, they need a childhood record of some kind. Mom didn't really pay attention, she was too busy trying to pretend I was fine when she could, and no doctor ever mentioned it to her. Dad would have paid much more attention but he has brain damage resulting in memory loss, so he doesn't remember much of my childhood. I can tell them some stuff because my memory of my childhood is pretty good, as long as you don't want concrete times because my sense of time scales has always been bad (the other day could be a week ago, awhile ago could be a month to over 5 years ago, etc.), but I'm a biased source and besides, I might have been oblivious to something that actually mattered. So it'd be nice, but I don't see it happening. I have a degree in psychology, but that doesn't help- I'm not a psychiatrist so I cannot formally diagnose myself. Also, my mother and sister just said "that means you know how to answer the questions to get the diagnosis you want." Like they don't know I hate lying? Also, if that were the case I'd have gotten the darn ASD diagnosis and not the schizotypal crud.
i can’t believe they dismissed spirits. the catholic do exorcisms for a reason. i have one sister that see demons. she is also a family counselor. early in her career as a juvenile officer. she had a young lady, that was told she was crazy. until my sister went to her home for a eval. my sister her self saw dark figures in her home. next to her was her grandmother’s townhouse. they visited her also. she had more shade figured in her home. the grandmother was practicing dark magic. i can’t remember if she was pagan or a voodoo practitioner. the ones in charge of this world, want us to poop poop the idea of dark magic because the use it on us. telling us we are off our rocker. the more you speak with people honestly. you will find they have a unexplained event in their life time. i myself believe in both reincarnation and spiritual beings. reincarnation is one of the most practiced beliefs around the world. i hate when people of authority put people in a box.
I was introverted from a very young age per my mom. It's just who I am. I would be really concerned if one of my stepsons suddenly changed personality type and would get them into therapy immediately. Their future happiness is way too important to me.
Introversion/extrovertion is a spectrum...we usually have a preference and lean to one side, but we can use our other function when we need to.. The personality forms through different developmental stages of childhood all the way up to around 18(I think around 22 lol) years old..nature vs nurture. Children can also not develop cognitive skills during those stages when they need to and the the right coping skills to deal with different stressors in their lives because parents don't teach them(they never were taught themselves, etc.).Trauma/stressors can effect one's personilty in different ways. Personlity is a huge subject you can look at it from Carl Jungs ideas or by the DSM etc.. Everything has to do with our nervous system and when it breaks and one sits in a negative memory, you repeat that meory as if it is the present....so let's say someone is sad and then they just sit in sadness for such a long period of time...this sadness then turns into anger, ans sit in anger for too long, then it becomes bitterness. After this is when one's negative thoughts/memories can alter one's personilty...
My dad once said my brother reminded him of Holmes. Very smart but struggled with using it or understanding how the world worked. My brother ended up shooting himself in November 2018. I have bpd myself, it really makes me wonder what was going on with him. Please, if you have a family member exhibiting strange and erratic behavior make them get the help they need. If even one of my brother's suicide threats was reported to police and he got a 51/50, he would not have been able to obtain the firearm he used to kill himself.
I have be BPD. We got messed up as/after toddlers, schizoids didn't even make it that far... they have a difficult time distinguishing inner and outter reality ie earliest infancy...sort of like we do in the realm of relationships us/them. AHA!!! I just heard the Doctor said Schizoid!!! LOL Five years of studying this stuff online many of the freakiest weirdest killers are schizoids...not psychopaths who usually do it for a reason of value or personal revenge. Schizoids are like psychopaths without the charming, logic, crazy, fun n sexy side that sucks people in.
I had a good friend who was a felon. He was not allowed to have firearms. He got one from someone selling them illegally. His brother found him dead. If someone wants a gun, they will get it no matter what the law says.
@@thorndriscoll4577 I dont know. No one in my family handled my brother properly. I was the youngest for 15 years, and since I had mental health issues myself no one really listened to me. A lot of my bpd was born out of my brother beating me and trying to kill me. My mother preferred my brother over me and after I was beaten she would call the cops, tell them I was suicidal, and the cops would take ME away in cuffs for a 51/50, even if I had bruises on me. He was 7 years older than me and started beating me when he was 19, so it was always an adult beating a girl. I feel like I was the only one who saw his true insanity. Instead of getting my brother the proper help they took me to a psych who diagnosed me bipolar and put me on 8 high dosage antipsychotics and antidepressants. I still remember my mom telling my psychiatrist, "Jay (me) sometimes forgets things, and (my brother) would never lie." As I sat there with a giant black eye he had given me. My brother never saw a psychiatrist as an adult and had very minimal therapy as an adolescent. He used a lot of psychedelics to try and fix himself. He didn't understand how to interact with people. I feel like, in retrospect, he may have been on the spectrum. Overall, my family, police officers, and psych professionals continually ignored his violent behavior and constant suicide threats, right up until he blew his brains out early one morning on an Arizona freeway. Im studying psych. I have a saying I came up with: "Some people fall through the cracks, others were pushed through." The system is awful and corrupt. He almost strangled me to death when I was 16, repeating "I can kill you whenever I want." Well, I'm alive and he's not. I carry a little urn with his ashes everywhere with me. Im not going to let more people be pushed through the cracks.
@@derbykitty666 the issue I have was how easily he obtained one. The one he shot himself with was bought after my dad took away his other one after a night of threatening to commit suicide on Facebook. It would have been much more difficult if someone, ONE FUCKING PERSON, alerted the authorities about his breakdowns. Its ironic, my family have always been trigger happy with calling 51/50s on me if I even hinted at being suicidal, but not one call was made for the violent family member who has threatened to murder people in the past and owned a firearm.
I remember the night this happened. I live in Colorado and a good friend of mine lived in Aurora at the time. I woke up a freaked out. Luckily she was visiting her parents in Michigan. Rest in Peace to those who passed away that night.
i never have more empathy than for people like him. people who suffered so seriously and yet nothing could help and no one can understand. ive felt it myself, a horrible pain.
Dr. Grande, I find this case to be one of the most ”complex” individuals and diagnoses thus far. Once again, despite watching several hours of his interview with a Psychiatrist, I learned much more details by listening to your video as well. The details you discuss add a great deal of information otherwise unknown. Thank you. James Holmes, (in my opinion), should have been institutionalized years before the tragic death of 12 & 70 people injured; many seriously wounded...not counting the mental scares of no doubt hundreds! “I” find it rare the jury didn’t find Holmes sentencing worthy of the death penalty? Wikipedia states, “bc of his mental issues” two jurors disagreed to death by lethal injection. Seems he escaped his life without harm...twice. The crime & punishment.
James Holmes no doubt needed thorough, intense and competent psychiatric care. I was not surprised that James pleaded Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity to avoid being sentenced to death for his crime because Colorado was still a Death Penalty state in 2012. A lot of people disagree with the assertion that James was insane and knew his actions were wrong. They cite the amount of planning James put into the attack on the Century 16 Movie Theater and that he rigged his apartment with numerous boobytrap explosive devices to kill the police officers who searched his apartment for evidence and the tenants unfortunate enough to still be in the building. Others believe that James was very much insane and couldn't know that his actions were wrong. They cite his history of mental health issues and numerous therapy sessions with his psychiatrist Dr. Lynne Fenton.
Forty or Fifty years ago he would almost certainly have been involuntarily committed LONG before his murderous act -- quite possibly as a teenager. I'm 67, and I remember such days. Indeed, I'll never forget the time a neighbor was taken away in an ambulance -- never to be seen again -- after allegedly "trying to choke" his wife. If people were clearly "impaired" psychologically, there were "put away". I wonder what Dr. Grande has to say about that considerable change in the legal treatment of people with obvious and severe psychological problems since those days. There have been many positives, but perhaps a few negatives, too. Certainly, a large proportion now living on the streets would instead be living in institutions, under the standard practices then.
Maybe the institutionalizing stopped because disabled people got rights and then the government has to pay for dignified (ish) conditions in those institutions. Maybe that.
That's actually a very interesting point in law in states where access to guns are so unrestricted, based on "Rights" but ignoring the counter balance that you don't want people out of control of their own minds to be able to pack six thousand rounds of auto. ammo.
A very sad mystery for the victims. I wish we knew more about how people like him develop. As always, really good job breaking down the various mental states.
His parents were quite remiss in not encouraging him to seek mental health treatment, when he was so obviously suffering from depression, but rather "telling" him to go to graduate school. I cannot begin to understand their motivation for this little idea.
I have schizotypal personality disorder . When I got diagnosed with it I had never heard of it before so i was shook because I like researching mental illnesses . I am on antipsychotics for it so I am a lot better now. I would never harm anyone despite it. If anything the harm is more aimed towards me
Dr Grande, I've read more in depth about Holmes and watched several hours of video of his in jail clinical psych evals. Is it odd to feel sorry, have sympathetic thoughts about such a person? I've read so much about his rich parents, his well known father and his sort of celebrity in his work field who was either in travel for work or just always very busy. His mom who kind of just 'ignored ' James sometimes just hoping he would get better on his own then when James was given medication after a pre-teen psych eval she didn't really follow through with making sure he took his meds correctly. Then when showing he was a gifted student just shoving him into the college to pursue the same field as his father thinking that he'd just 'grow out of it' and go on to be 'respected & responsible' like his father. Can or I will SHOULD any of this be put back onto the parents fault, say as mental childhood neglect? Is there further reading recommend on the mental effects of childhood neglect? Thank you for a reply comment.
The world needs more people who can have empathy for perpetrators, especially in proportion to their experiences of trauma and victimhood. Many folks think it's a "zero-sum" game -- that any empathy for perpetrators necessarily takes away from that for victims. It's not the case; all victims need support for healing and recovery, both those who go on to perpetrate against others in spectacular ways, and those who don't. Good for you. 😉🙏
Same as the kid from LA who shot up his school Eliot Rogers I think? Eliot something.. his father was a lowlife sob director who treated his kids like a $8 extra he wish he'd never hired to be on set. His kid was in major pain while his father flew around the world blowing million interviewing people about GOD!!!
@@tuck-brainwks-eutent-hidva1098 I've developed this POV after becoming a high school Special Education teacher in NYC. Every characteristic or undesirable act a teen has or does is due to a reason(s). I feel so lucky to perceive this and still be able to care deeply about the person. It's my responsibility to acknowledge their value and preciousness, even if they did something 'bad". Love the kid but not the behavior. My colleagues don't do this.
I've always felt a little sorry for him, I could never put my finger on why though... Alot of killers just seem so empty and uncaring but he just seems... Lost. Idk obviously what he did was deplorable but when someone has obvious mental health problems I have to feel a little sorry for the person.
It's so odd to me that he took all this time and energy to booby trap the apartment, but told the cops about it. But then says he felt nothing as he sat in the car waiting for the police to show up. It dont click imo. He had to of felt something even if it were fear for himself thinking if I tell them and dont hurt them that'll but me some credit. Idk nothing about this guy has ever made sense to me. It's so bizarre
The gun jammed and he couldn't clear it! This probably made him want a redo, so he was looking to save the video-game and start over! since he was in an alternate state of mind he used for gaming. I wonder what James Holnes impression of Columbine killers was? Did he idolize them? He was 13 when they attacked their school, did he wish he could have been there, was he competing with them? I would like to hear from Dr Grande about the parents, seems like they missed an opportunity to shape this kids mind and habits (I'm not trying to blame, video games were new and more violent than necessary back then, there's more composure in violent games today). Specifically when he returned from college and did nothing, they suggested he get a PHD? When they obviously should have had him evaluated, and at the least let him know they cared?? Seems like the parent trying to be open to anything he wanted to do, left him without roots, without meaning, without real meaningful structure in his life! He could have used his life to help others, instead he lived a fantasy.
Old Iron There are certainly many unobservant parents but it is also true that as troubled teens we tend to hide a lot of our troubles from our loved ones as well. I struggled throughout the entirety of my teens with severe peer abuse and ostracization at school - to the point that both my mental and physical health collapsed at age 18 leaving me permanently disabled (as in myriad chronic health issues like Fibromyalgia, CFS, IBS, myofascial pain syndrome, severe sleep disorders, severe chronic pain plus C-PTSD and AvPD, just to name a few of the issues the abuse caused) - but my parents had no idea how unhappy, troubled, and depressed I was as a teen as I became very good at wearing masks when around others to project an appearance of absolute normalcy, complete with a smile. It wasn’t until my late 40s that I ever shared with my parents the reason why my health totally collapsed at 18 years and 5 months just before I graduated high school, though I still hesitate to tell them anything more than the most superficial details as I really don’t want them to blame themselves nor do I really wish to dredge up some of the problems within my family during those years (it was a stressful period at home with limited abuse and benign neglect, the usual getting too caught up in one’s career, but it was the years of severe peer abuse that did the real damage). Of course, last year was the start of a very bad year as all the memories of that past abuse started bubbling up after decades of burying those memories until they could eventually be buried no deeper coupled with the decades of extraordinary loneliness that comes with AvPD when you can not bear to spend much time around others, trust nobody whatsoever, have no close friends, and the only romantic relationship I ever had was nearly 30 years ago with a former close friend that proved extraordinarily violent (she was an undiagnosed Borderline and also a victim of abuse, but not an evil person as so many choose to see in Borderlines) and destroyed the last of what was left of my ability to trust others (it was only 3 months ago that I finally made my first new close friend in nearly 30 years). Things had gotten to the point that I typically spent 23-1/2 hours each day entirely alone, reading, watching TV/TH-cam, or engaged in my hobbies, and usually only left the house a few times each month for either my doctor appointments or to shop for whatever items I needed but could order online (including food and medication) - it was just too painful and stressful to be around others for any length of time (it still is very difficult to be around others for long). Yet I was very good at hiding all of this from those who knew me as I excel at projecting an air of normalcy when around others including friendly compliments of others as I hate for anyone to feel unseen and unacknowledged the way I have felt for so much of my life and people believe that mask to be my true self. Even when my anxiety from C-PTSD and AvPD was at its absolute worst in public (such as when public speaking) I could still effectively hide how I felt from everyone through shear willpower so long as they did not recognize my faster pace of talking or flushing for the anxiety that it really was (and remarkably few ever noticed those few cues I could not always hide). I guess my point being that there is a reason why so many families and even close friends and confidants are often taken by surprise when their child, family member, or friend commits suicide or some other terrible act during a psychotic break or moment of weakness as we are both very good at hiding our feelings and emotions from those we seek to protect or fit in around and that often couples with most other people’s unconscious desire to believe that all is well with those they love or care about, often causing them to miss the more subtle signs that are much more difficult to hide and less overt. And then, of course, there are those families who will ignore such signs no matter how in their face it is. Like your experience I had a cousin a few years younger than I whom I grew up with and who stole from both myself and my grandparents and was actually caught in the act of trying to trade in my grandfather’s old coin collection by a banker that was good friend# with my grandmother (my grandmother being one of those people who seem to know absolutely everyone in a small town). My aunt and uncle reluctantly acknowledged that he stole “a bit” from my grandparents but never could understand why I was angry with him for years for the many tools he stole from me because in their mind he didn’t steal anything since he was not caught red-handed...it was just a coincidence that all the tools that I had loaned to his brother for his project car had miraculously gone missing, as well as several hundred dollars in cash from my bedroom, on the exact same day that my grandparent’s property was also stolen and that this cousin had been living with all of us at the time (I lived on a farm, all our homes were connected with common property lines). They never could accept that I should have any reason to be angry with him for stealing from me since he wasn’t caught red-handed with my property (all of this was for drugs, as one may expect)...in their mind he did no wrong against me. Parents self deceive themselves a lot as nobody likes to believe that they failed as a parent or that their child has turned out badly or troubled. Cognitive dissonance runs deep in humanity!
I was living in Aurora when this happened. I had always been concerned about possible drug use/abuse as a factor in this case. Your summary of the case history makes clear this young man was almost certainly brilliant but mentally unwell. I say this because he had a 4.0 GPA.
From what I understand James Holmes did not use drugs or alcohol. While I was not surprised that he didn't get the Death Penalty even though Colorado was still a Death Penalty state; I think that the sentence was reasonable under the circumstances. James had pleaded Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity to avoid being sentenced to death.
@@michaelfetter8738 dude what, not everything is a conspiracy. Pizzagate is real but people try to make everything out to be a conspiracy and it takes away from the real ones
@@erri4433 not even close. I'm laughing at you for having the insight to realize not everything is a conspiracy but simultaneously falling for the dumbest one of them all
I agree. It is unfortunate though. I'm thinking if society wasn't so reactive, he could've had a fighting chance if intervention took place when he started displaying unusual behavior at 10.
It may not even be his real Mother. If you watch the trial, there is a small part where a woman is found in contempt of court for an outburst that had some disturbing information alleging she is the mother and for them not to put the death penalty on the table for her son and that their whole family is FBI and she had Holmes taken off her and grew up with his current family.
Damn cases like this always remind us that we need a much better mental heath care system. I mean, that guy went to mental health providers and actually talked about having homicidal thoughts. Nothing happened and now his life and many other lifes are over and ruined. I can't get myself to judge that dude. I rather feel sorry for him, he'd needed help but society failed him.
I agree. I don't think morality is a useful framework for understanding tragedies like this. I think we can all agree this is "wrong" by the standards of our society, but that fact doesn't explain anything or provide any solution, or resolution, besides possible catharsis through retribution. This isn't theft, or even assault, this goes beyond any of the moral lessons we were taught as children. Something has to go very wrong for someone to get to this point, whether psychologically or organically, and being/becoming "evil" is a vacuous, low-resolution way of understanding that process. Does it make sense to say, "I'm a good person; he's a bad person," when I never dealt with a lifelong compulsion toward violence? I sure as hell can't remember facing a moral dilemma in which I (thankfully!) decided to follow my pastor's advice and _not_ commit mass murder. I'm not saying he's innocent, or that he should be pitied, I just mean to say that this is a tragedy for all involved and attempting to apply simple, moralistic labels to these events will only obfuscate things further. Holmes should've received serious psychologically counselling and whatever other treatment deemed necessary, but for whatever reasons, the symptoms and self-reporting were ignored by the mental health professionals with which he had contact.
From the quotes of his reasoning, it sounds to me that one of his motivations was the certainty that there will be media coverage of his mass shooting, but I dunno.
I was in and out of psyc wards all last year for panic and suicide. I even spent 3 months in a extended stay one (the place you go before they send you to the state hospital for a long time). They don't do shit. The doctors give you antidepressants and talk to you for like 5 mins. They have bs classes about goals and managing anxiety and depression. Most stays are 3-7 days then they kick you out. Truth is humans in general don't really understand the human brain. It's a crap shoot.
we live in a fallen world and there’s no way around these problems, throughout all history it has been the same after adam and eve sinned, and as much as we think we have got figured out it’s not changing until this world is not hear anymore.
Thank you once again Doctor Grande for some really interesting information on different individuals in your programs. I wish you would have been one of my university professors.
Out of all the killer cases, he should have been found not guilty by reason of insanity (but then ordered treated at a mental facility until cured - which he would never be). Giving someone over 3,000 years is crazy and that judge needs to be examined by professionals!
I would like a video on a psychological evaluation of the type of women that send love letters to guys like this.
That's a good one.👍
He did a video on this topic. Here is the link: th-cam.com/video/-LTuvDTAHmQ/w-d-xo.html
I worked with one. She found a similar community of people on tumbler and they all travelled to the states for his trial.
Yes!
james burns that’s crazy. I can’t even imagine being one of the victim’s parents and seeing a bunch of strangers show up to testify against you in court after your child just got murdered...
How does he manage to look completely different in every photo. He never looks the same
Bec SocSci: Ted Bundy apparently had the same ability. Weird.
lol i was wondering the same thing
That's just the way the establishment photoshop artist do it for these false flag operations. They get a kick out of letting you know it's all BS without actually coming out and saying it. They are mocking the public. All of these ficticious false flag perpetrators are photo shopped to look crazy, ominous, or some even cartoonish.
@@imnotabotrlyimnot sooo you're saying the shooting in colorado by this dude was fake??
@@blackreign673 In the sense that the story the news agencies report to the public is false, then yes. That's not to say, there wasn't any actual violence, may have been.
I graduated with him at Westview highschool 2005 in San Diego CA. He grew up in Rancho Penasquitos and took mostly AP classes. I can't believe he did this.
I dont think he did. Classic false flag scenario
@@hemana3859 off your meds again?
@@aldxbaran lol. The reply of the clueless. You carry on sherlock. You got it all figured out. 😜
@@aldxbaran dude I don't even think it was a false flag but calling people who do in these days makes you sound like the crazy one.
you probably think there has Never been a false flag event hahaaha Rheeeetard go learn how to read some of the CIA documents that are now public maybe you will see how F up things really are
@@aldxbaran lol
Holmes' insanity is so visible in his eyes during the photos. I feel bad for his victims, condolences to their families. RIP.
Don't you feel any sympathy for him, his family?? Of course it's tragic that all those people were injured or killed , but it's a great tragedy that he did not get the help he needed. He's going to be in prison all drugged up for the rest of his life. I saw his mother interviewed and I just kept thinking , what if that were my son? There is mental illness in my family, I have bipolar, bad anxiety and a host of other symptoms and I have been through the system, social workers are pretty worthless when it comes to diagnosing people, finding a good psychiatrist is difficult. Mental health care in this country is pathetic. These doctors just start throwing pills at you and see which ones stick. They never get to the root of the problem, which could be trauma or severe illness . This doctor has a clue, most don't. They don't care. Or they have mental health problems themselves, or they're burnt out. Schizophrenics I have known were fine, bright compassionate people in the teens but onset comes in early 20's usually and just morphs them into something else. It's so sad.
@@anastasiamurawski6179 I feel for the guy, but people stating over and over in therapy that they have an irresistible urge to kill "many people" simply need to be locked up. If I go to an ER and show signs of self harm, they'll lock me up to protect me from me. Who was protecting those innocent theatre-goers? Nobody. That's who.
I’ve got a friend with the same disorder listen in the title. He is a genuine guy. Very flat emotionally. He doesn’t cry or feel sad ever about really anything. He is empathetic though because he asks me and my mutual friends how we’re doing and keeps check on us. He is completely against violence and thinks the world should get along, rather than be at arms with each other all the time. He is very funny and has grown a lot since I’ve helped him get out of his comfort zone. Took years to do it but now he’s quite the social person.
My best friend of many years has schizotypal personality disorder. It's under control as he takes antipsychotics. When he misses a dose he completely loses all sense of reality and it's really difficult to communicate rationally with him.
He's one of the most funny and interesting people I have ever met but he can't really live a productive life. He lives with his mother and he collects disability. His intelligence I would say is above average and he's very switched on but his anxiety and paranoia is always there stopping him from doing things.
Thanks for this positive comment about your friend. This guy’s videos seem incredibly negative towards schizotypal people but your comment made me feel better and seen
I think mental illness can be very hard on the people around the person who has it, sadly.
@Stephanie Campbell Probably because they think the person is interesting and they get along. I'd rather hang with someone like that instead of the same boring, dull people I see everyday.
@Stephanie Campbell He was my sister's friend. She didn't know he had it, & he stayed away from her when he suffered most; so he wouldn't alienate her. He confided in me.
One of the sweetest, smartest, and funniest people I have ever known was a roommate and “leader” in our social group in the early 90’s ended up losing complete contact with reality and was diagnosed with schizophrenia around the age of 20
Heartbreaking
Call the other doctor. Dr Grande's burns are getting sicker every day.
So what you're trying to say is those chops are well done?....
Damn! That's a good one!
He just drops the pretenses when it comes to the blatant religious frauds.It's funnier when he tries harder to seem non judgemental.
No he's exceptionally gifted at explaining complicated medical jargon in layman's terms, which is maybe why the medical profession don't like him.
What is that supposed to mean-sideburns? If so - How insightful and interesting from so many impressive minds.
So I haven't watched this yet, will watch it now. But I just wanted to mention something funny that happened. I have been bingeing your videos over the last couple of days, on the TV in the lounge. My husband doesnt watch with but rather plays video games on his computer. Whilst watching a video you had a subtle little dry humor. My husband piped up out of nowhere "did he just make a joke??" Thanks for the videos. You are very endearing and your content is factual and informative.
I laughed in this video when he talked about him receiving additional 3000+ years sentence, he said "I don't think he'll need to take those Planning for Life After Release classes at the prison..."
Lol! I can relate 😂. I was binge watching these a couple of weeks ago, actually lost sleep over it😂
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Love when Dr Grande drops in a sneaky dry joke
Husband is listening after all! :))))
I was kicked out of the military for having schizoid, schizotypal personality disorder, and a dysthymic disorder, but no one ever told me what all that means.
Wow, I'm sorry no one explained the diagnoses they came up with for you. That may have been really helpful at the time. Hope you're doing well now.
How are you going Kaos ?
Don't believe you. The military is through. You were explained the process and why you were booted.
Schizoid is that you have a lack of motivation to do anything and have nearly inexistant interest in people, you also have a flat affect, don't react or barely to provocation.
Schizotypal is associated with magic thinking, psychosis and also low interest for people and weird emotional reactions. And dysthymia is just depression IIRC
The thing with schizo- disorders is that none of them is clearly defined. My first psychiatrist thought I was schizophrenic at first, another thought I was schizotypal, the neurologist working with him thought I was schizoaffective for some reason but I understand it's not her job to decide that, my current psychiatrist just added "psychotic traits".
I've never suffered from psychosis so far 🙄
It can also literally just be autism. Autism gets misdiagnosed as schizo disorders because they share the features of flat affect and limited interest for social interactions and repetitive behaviors do exist in schizophrenia too sometimes.
I was personally disappointed that they'd be so quick to diagnose psychosis on me and seemed to think it's a waste of time to get screened for autism...
But also, if I get diagnosed as autistic, it can also be a misdiagnosis of a psychotic disorder so maybe it actually is a waste of time. I don't think I care anymore. It's exhausting and the meds have no positive effects on me and I can't deal with psychologists anymore. I'll still try to get proper treatment for my anxiety and stuff like that, try rTMS, but I think I'm about done with the whole thing. I just want to be left alone while not suffering from poverty (a compromise society is not willing to make).
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I am a retired psychiatric nurse with experience as the psych nurse for the mental health department of two large jails. I noticed that Adam Lanza and James Homes have nearly an exact match of the eye expression. I have not noticed that in other high profile killers. However, over the years of working in jails, I have seen four or five patients with this same stare....a sort of "look that cannot be denied." All of those patients were convicted of their crimes and had life without parole sentences. I wonder if this expression is rare, or common. Most of the mentally inmates that the mental health department treated and guided toward long term commitment were very sick patients. I know that last reference may seem odd, but, indeed, some patients are much sicker than others and the price to themselves and society is profound. Can Dr. Grande expand on that appearance?
Excellent presentation on James Holmes.
Look into mkultra.
I agree. Holmes and Lanza remind me very much of each other.
I’ve struggled years with depression, anxiety and panic attacks. Over the years I’ve gone from an extrovert to an introvert. I don’t particularly care for the company of people. I know this guy had serious problems, but I’ve never understood how people become so violent and completely detached from humanity.
Another well prepared comprehensive video by Dr. Grande. Thank you.
Always the contradictions though yhat not resolved: if other people are worthless and can be killed then we. too are worthless and not needed to be alive. But since the focus is always on others this thinking would be hard to come by.
@@vjhardy100 True.
@@vjhardy100 It's not as simple as someone casually pondering the value and meaning of life. James Holmes seemed to have been debating this topic with himself for most of his life, which all led up to what happened. Sometimes I wonder if people say "I can't understand" but what the really mean is, "I don't want to understand." It's understandable to be afraid of this dark truth, to be afraid of empathizing with it and understanding it but that's the only way to move forward; that's kinda the point of psychology.
@@vanillaketamine6060 casually pondering? Pondering by implication is deep n serious. And I never said anything about ' not understand '. Just pointing a contradiction on a line of thought. And a simple generalisation-- if one life is worthy, every life is worthy. There's a contradiction when we point at someone else as worthless forgetting that three fingers point at ourselves.
I agree though that this lack of reflection is what makes it a psychological issue.
Hey I know this is an old comment, but have you checked out MBTI tests? It's Myers Briggs types. This tests helps you understand and learm your own personality better. It's legit. The CIA uses it to quickly assess how to communicate with new assets in the field. So basically everyone has a few different personality traits, and your balance of these traits can help you best express yourself with your own personality. For example some people are extroverted while some are introverted. This does not have anything to do with depression. Some of the happiest people are introverted. It just means they recharge their social energy while alone. Other traits are things like if you use thinking or feeling as your main type of information processing. For example: my type is INTP. This means I'm Introverted-Intuitive-Thinking-Percieving. Those are my major traits you would encounter if you interacted with me, it's how I interact with the world. Now sometimes if an extrovert is depressed they can feel more introverted. Oddly for them the cure is to go into public because extroverts charge energy in crowds. I know this all sounds crazy but please look into it. There are 16 types of personalities, and if you take the test and answer HONESTLY you can get to know your type and how to it can help you in this world. In psychology college courses they have moved to a new more nuanced type of test, but for beginners I recommend you start with MBTI. The tests are free online and take 30 mins
Fascinating that a kid whose motivation for doing his homework was to avoid attention, ends up committing mass murder.
I was a sacred little kid who hid under desks and in closet in kindgergarden and did his homework dilligently, by grade four I was diagnosed with conduct disorder and was suspended for the first of probably 50 times by high school's end. All it took was appreciating that for the few hours I was not at home I was basically as free as I wanted to be, any consequences came much later and was worth the trade off for the fun. Cuz home was no fun either way.
Well, consider that the doctor states that this was the opinion of his college teachers, who are all a bunch of fukin' educated elitist idiots anyway, as far as I'm concerned. I give absolutely no credence to the casual observance of detached, anti-social-prone, elitist intellectuals, who likely share some of the same mental defects that Holmes suffers from.
It's definitely hard in situations like that, when a young child shows excessive attention to something like schoolwork, it could be religion or some other Noble virtue. So.etimes it's for the right reasons but sometimes that child is using it as a defense.
'@@jaelge Ah yes, because implying that people have mental defects because of your own weird bias against educated/intellectuals is 100% very totally much more big credible and not ableist at all. I mean, I agree that the college assessment was off, but that's a weird overreaction that comes off as a major projection. js.
It's as if he assumed "another version" of himself before committing the mass murder; a one who's able to stand out and get attention. Even his choice of hair dye, a bright orange, during that time probably made him stand out in a grocery store etc. It's as if dying his hair was a step towards this new version.
I would love to be a student in one of your courses. I enjoy your presentation of information, and I very much appreciate your sense of humor. I hope your channel continues to explode in popularity!
Thought this channel would be boring, but after giving it a chance, it’s extremely elucidating in reference to all the true crime series I watch. So thank you for your work and contributions. Exceptionally well done 💯
Dr. Grande is amazing 💕🌵🏜
My cousin was shot multiple times by this guy. He survived because a teenager used her belt and made a tourniquet on his thigh.
I am glad, He is still with Your Family!!!! God bless!!!
Cute nurse 😊
Parents often do not take into consideration 'social skills' when 'pushing' their children to succeed. They just see that their kid does well in school/or seems capable of working and they just push the kid in that direction in spite of clear signs that something is awry. I work with disabled kids and I come across these parents periodically. I've had two students this past year whose parents seem to know about the many 'social' barriers that their kids have but because both students completed their work and excelled in school-they dismissed the infantile social behaviors (not respecting 'average' social boundaries, in appropriate response to situations). These types of kids need constant and fast intervention-a behavioral coach, or job coach who works with them from the minute people notice these issues. And even then that doesn't always help a lot. For example-one of my student's would constantly invade people's space and when I mentioned this to the parent they said they had been working on that with a Behavioral Aide and that they had no issues at their volunteer site. I said-"He's still doing it quite a bit" and reminded parent that I only mention it because outside our 'protective' circle, in the real world, something like that could cause lots of problems for his child; thank God, he agreed.
I think his parents checked out. Because it was much easier to ignore his symptoms rather than actually finding help for him.
You are with the children as much if not more than the parent is. Your insight and recommendations should be used along with those of others who interact with the child.
@@cattycorner8 Agreed!
So true, this shallow means-to-a-financial-end approach to education and development will be the death of us in more ways than one
I think the hard thing for a lot of special needs parents is that despite their experience they're still not trained professionals. You might understand that your child has a medical or mental condition, but you don't have 8 years of collegiate training to understand that problem and how to treat it.
“Which probably means he is exempt from the planning for life after release classes offered at the prison” 🔥🤣
He was a PhD student isolated at his University, and some claim he met someone who befriended him, then vanished after the attack.
The Colorado "shooter" did a lot of damage for one college student on drugs. He was so looped in the car that they could not take a mug shot until the next day.
@@LulabellaDonna was he not sober during this, but just psychotic?
@@mikiharkin3539 One person could not have done that "job" perhaps he was set up, ever consider that? Do you know who his Father is?
@@LulabellaDonna
He set it up and was right there doing it, so no, that's not possible.
What's scary is that his doctors tried desperately to stop him and they couldn't do anything. So many people went after his doctor, but she did everything that she legally could do. I hope she got help for herself because I can't imagine how bad she feels about all of this.
@Enchanted Odds what does that have to do with my comment? You should also consider the fact that if he had been forced to get the help he needed those people would still be alive. Even if you don't care about the mentally ill you should care about what happens when they don't get adequate treatment. I want less victims and if that means that we have to pay for and force people into treatment I am okay with that.
@Enchanted Odds i know you think this is a cool, edgy take but its just gross
@Enchanted Odds do you have Schizotypal personality disorder?
@Enchanted Odds Too bad we can't eliminate your uneducated comments.
In the UK, all mental health doctors/councillors what have you, have a clause that you are told before they treat you, that if you are at risk of hurting yourself or others, they can do away with doctor-patient confidentiality. It seems crazy that thats not the standard everywhere.
Thanks!
This case is so interesting. I have just finished watching 8 hours of his psych report/interview and came here to see your evaluation of him. Good work 👏
Hey dude where can i watch the 8 hours of his psych interview?
@ChristopherFelicitas honestly I can't remember the channel but if you type in his name you will come across it
@@david8_0 Found it! Thanks man, the channel is Crime Vault for any people who want to see it in the future.
I’ve met two people with low empathy that seemed to have concrete thinking. They couldn’t understand analogies but were otherwise extremely intelligent and witty. This paradox is baffling to me.
The left brain can override everything else.
RE: Myself, I am medically rigid/reptilian if you so to speak but that is not my soul.
RE: My soul and body don't agree with each other.
observed and learned behaviors?
I had a colleague like this. Her humor was also concrete. I later decided she us somewhere on the autism spectrum. The lack of ability by a highly intelligent person to understand metaphor is a giveaway.
I was wondering if you could talk about how poverty effects mental health? I am a psychology and social work student, so it would be interesting to learn how people who live in poverty have their mental affected by those circumstances.
Yes!! Please do this
It has a direct impact. Huge.
Not to mention generational trauma due to institutional oppression.
Consciousness is determined by material being and surroundings to a large extent.
Yes I’d love to hear more about this as well!
A man of science with a dry sense of humour. Marry me dr Grande!!
cbsg5861 hey, there’s a queue here! 😁
Ba ha ha
Lol
Haha cute. But he's married. To me.
no offense but i hope yall are in your mid 30‘s and not teenager that are fangirling.
This case always reminds me of a time in my life, when I went to high school and started taking psychology classes. At first I was very interested in psychology, but one day I went to the library and decided to read about schizophrenia. I took a book and started to read about the symptoms of schizophrenia, when I started to have severe anxiety about the topic. I tried to read more, but in the end I had to give up reading because I started to feel extremely anxious. My imagination was so wild, that when I read about the symptoms I started to wonder how it feels to hear voices etc. and that lead to a huge panic attack. For days afterwards I kept monitoring myself for symptoms of schizophrenia and even mixed my own thoughts as voices. I never read about schizophrenia again and my motivation towards psychology has never been the same. I realized that it was not good for me to think too much about topics like that and to be honest to this day I haven't really read too much about things like psychosis or schizophrenia. I wonder if something similar happened to Holmes, since he studied neuroscience. Maybe he was also an anxious person and it didn't do good for him to read about topics like that. Sometimes it is better not to know everything.
This sounds like the time when I was a little kid, thinking in the car as my mom was taking us somewhere. Suddenly I asked her if it’s possible to swallow your own tongue. I had to be left at her cousin’s house because I was suddenly afraid to swallow, fearing my tongue would fly down my throat if I did. Fortunately my fear only lasted a few hours, but I look back and roll my eyes at what a little weirdo I was.
This is really interesting. Forgive me for suggesting this, but do you think maybe you can sometimes be a bit of a hypochondriac? I say this because I can very much be one myself, and this sounds like something similar to things I do.
Psychology in high school? Nonetheless, I too am this way. I wanted to be an attorney but after hearing some of the horrific cases I had a panic attack for days. Same with mental health and animal cruelty and abuse. It’s very bad that I cannot even watch or hear a news story about any of these topics including brutal crimes. I was told I’m an empath and this is why.
@@Brumslyno. They’re probably an empath. Just like not everyone can stomach brain surgery, they can’t stomach mental health like this. That was rude of you to say. Not everyone can eat liver because we think it’s gross. That means I’m over reacting?! Cmon
Most people who've gone through narcissist abuse from a partner will tell you how psychologically difficult healing is in the stage of wondering if you're the one with NPD or bpd. I also had mentally ill friends use drama against me and tell me all these things about my psychological profile villainizing me only to apologize months later saying they didn't mean anything. Suffice to say I didn't finish the psychology degree I'd started before all this because it brought me back into obsessive introspection and self-analysis.
I found your channel a day ago and have been binge watching. Good stuff. Also, impressed that both your parents were clinical psychologists as well.
Don't know if you'll get this, as you wrote a year ago. The same has happened with me....I found Dr Grande last night and I've binge watched for 15 hours so far. I hope that's not a sign of some disorder! 😂
Sounds like they threw the whole DSM at him.😆
That happens a lot, unfortunately, with people that are hard to diagnose.... 😑
don’t go throwing DSM’s in glass houses lol. Sorry my humor isn’t nearly as good as Dr. Grande’s.
Heh heh heh . . . 😛
That’s funny 😂😂😂
On point! 🤣 🤣 🤣 😂
I love being scientifically informed AND waiting for the next lil dry spoonful of Grande wit and humor.....it’s a WIN, WIN!
Such a fascinating and interesting case, but 12 people killed is a real tragedy.
Thank you for another excellent video, Dr. Grande 😃🇳🇱
James Holmes was not 'evil'. He was suffering from a mental dissorder.
Naw it’s more the length people will go through to to address these situations based off actual research of human psychology. So we understand and address this kind of shit better in the future. Evil is just a concept it’s not tangible, peoples brains being broken is something we know is real. It’s not an excuse for said behavior it’s just the facts
Old Iron. No. But after watching 15 hours of interviews ordered and released by the court in order to determine his mental health I at least understand the context.
Julian Sykes EXACTLY
I was always taught the same as your assessment. That schizotypal personality disorder can be premorbid to schizophrenia. I had also wondered if his being let go from grad school was significant, in that his routine was lost and potentially the student health center was less available. It sounds like this was not the issue but that he could spend all of his time planning his crime. Great analysis.
This shooting disturbed me more than any until the Sandy Hook shooting. I feel so bad for the victims and their families, and it's a shame that the killer wasnt helped or halted before he was homicidal. I was watching the same Batman film at a theater in a different state on the day this occurred approximately around the same time (I think, the timezone isnt the same and I dont really want to see any pictures by looking it up online). I remember coming out of the theater and finding out about this shooting and thinking that it just as well could have been someone in my area who walked into my theater, and I might be the victim. It was an unpleasant feeling of sympathy and empathy for the pain and death amplified by the coincidence. I wish the shooting never happened.
James Holmes killed one of my friends from high school, AJ Boik. Thanks for the insightful analysis.
That definitely brings cases like this one much closer to home. I've lost loved ones tragically and know how painful it is and can't imagine how losing a goof friend or loved one to murder would feel. I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend. Sending you best wishes, from Australia.
I’m so sorry
Sorry for the loss of your friend .
may your friend rest in peace, my condolences for your loss.
I'm so sorry sundog my cousin was supposed to be in that theater so now ever since then I can't look at the movie theater I walk pass it with my head down or I have to look at my phone cause I do not want to look at the movie theater my husband has to be on my left side when we go to the mall cause I have the shakes when I walk pass the movie theater
I saw this suggested yesterday, SO GLAD you chose this case. Thanks doc!
When I saw this in my feed I thought, "Wow, Dr. Grande is really fast on creating requested content!"
@@MasterMalrubius right? That was so quick!
I’ve been waiting for this one. So clearly mentally ill. A tragic story indeed. Fascinating breakdown! Thanks again Dr. Grande!
Yea it sucks
This is why bullying at school should be prohibited and anyone that violates that rule should be expelled
"Why do people need to be alive in the first place?" Sent chills through my spine. My mom died last year and I'm still fucked up. I think this too but whenever I do it makes me cry, not want to hurt people.
You are perfectly normal. I am sorry you lost your mother. Mine passed away very unexpectedly. I kept her voice mails to me for a year after.
I understand very much how you feel and the deep dread and despair around losing someone so close. I sometimes find myself asking why we have sentient life, as it seems almost like a cruel trick. But reality is what it is and we cant fight the natural order of things.
I want Dr. Grande to do an analysis video on Dr. Grande.
Not cool for him, I mean it'd be interesting yeah but... not cool at all. Uhm also, just take a look at his icon for the channel... It's his face eh
He's just as weird as many of his subjects...
No
From my personal experiences with psychotic episodes, this honestly feels way too long term planned and organised to have been committed in the throes of a serous psychotic episode. He did target practice, adapted his plan when he had got the tickets wrong, bought the tickets in advance etc, I (in one of my most recent episodes) couldn’t get it together enough to even tie my shoes... I know it’s not the same, ore even similar for everyone, but it just doesn’t feel as if that frenzied state of mind is there.
I agree totally. Wellcsaid
Yes, he was certainly in his right mind enough to carry it all out!
So true. I made it to the comments section to say exactly this. Never really bought this dude was that psychotic. I mean he may have been a tad skizotypal but I feel like his dominant issue was darker, like psychopathy or sadism.
In complete agreement.Holmes wanted to kill as many people as he could get away with,never have to work again and be taken care of for the rest of his life. Mission accomplished. It makes me physically sick of our justice system.
That’s is why he was sentenced to mult life
Terms
Perhaps he thought graduate school and his studies would replace his homicidal ideations with other thoughts.
@@peacenpowder I hear that's why a lot of people enrol in psychology courses too.
He was looking for concrete answers to his social and psychological problems in science. But if he can't grasp basic metaphors he dove head first into mind body problems which takes up most of philosophy religion psychology some neuroscience etc. You can't get more abstract except maybe advanced physics. However James Fallon is a famous neuroscientist studying psychopathy who found out from a head scan he had a brain feutures typical of psychopaths. So sometimes people do find answers in a way.
@@peacenpowder I find it really sad - he was aware of his dangerous thoughts ! Maybe a treatment could have helped.
@@belliotrungy9107 I was thinking maybe he found something about neuroscience that sent him over the edge, going into an abyss of strange drugs and basically formatting his brain from being able to form rational thoughts. Wouldn't surprise me if he had an informant-like character to drive him in the direction he went.
@@Thrashaero no it's clear he had problems from an early age which he wanted answers to then became lazy with neuroscience which can be theory driven. This video discusses his lack of understanding of metaphors and obsessive thinking. Had he been a little more together he might have done great work in something but seems like his brain was messed up at a biological level so neuropsychology or neuropharmacology might have made more sense 🤷 but again with problems with metaphors he's going through many layers himself with his own somewhat crude brain technology. I don't think he could engineer his own neuroplasticity without a good map. How do you reverse engineer a UFO without a UFO 👽 mind brain problems aren't great for someone who can't grasp a parable unless I'm getting my facts mixed up. Everyone loves Jordan Peterson but it's clear even he gets lost in his maps of meaning. 🤷 James never had a chance
Love the Good Doctors videos. Not only are they interesting but they’re highly educational as well. Love his dry humour too. Great stuff!! 😀
This was incredibly informative, I'm doing a psychological autopsy on James Holmes as part of my degree in uni and your video is very helpful thank you! Also the burns were sick, you're wicked.
Psychiatry is such a subjective science. It's amazing how little we really know about the human mind. It's sad that he began to lose himself at the age of 10. There being no trauma associated with his degeneration, one can only wonder if there is a physical or inherited cause
There are environmental and genetic causes for disorders. Some are more impacted from one than the other.
Nah....The only thing that's sad about this whole story ARE THE INNOCENT PEOPLE HE MURDERED & THE FAMILIES THAT STILL TO THIS DAY & WILL FOREVER HAVE TO LIVE WITH THIS...There are millions of people all over the world that suffer as much & immensely greater than this POS..But they are not planning every detail of mass shooting people..!!!..Unbelievable...
his eyes unnerve me. he looks haunted.
They look empty...similar to some other mass shooters, like the sandy hook shooter. It’s a blank, vacant stare and it gives me the chills every time I see it
CDO1113 Stephen Paddock had that stare
I know someone who was in the CU doctorate program when Holmes was there. She said he was beyond weird and gave her the creeps. He was very awkward socially and in the class, as Dr. Grande mentioned.
His expression seems similar to that of Adam Lanza.
@@jayneneewing2369 Both were on anti-depressants/psychotropic drugs. So was Eric Harris. Go figure.
It starts off gruesome! Your crime analysis videos are like dissecting a real horror movie! Great job Dr.
As usual, your breakdown was articulated extremely well. Thanks.
Dr. Grande, your assessments and views/opinions , are of particular interest to me since my daughter graduated with her degree in psychology, what makes people tick, how they are wired, was it empirical? Nurture v nature, environmental factors? Fascinating and I believe it is correctly empowering the more we can understand our fellow human, thanks for always doing such a great clear and concise video, cheers !
Thanks Dr. Grande! Really curious about this idea of existential obsessions and OCD. Perhaps a future video?
THISSS^^
He has one already!:)
He did it before. Here is the link: th-cam.com/video/Eg7HQ2_ESHI/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for letting me know! I had a feeling I should have checked :)
jbr4gg - You are most welcome;) This video is great, enjoy!
Please do Elliot Rodger next. He's already been discussed a lot but I'd like to hear your take especially in regards to vulnerable narcissism
TTC Doug there is enough YouToob content on the Supreme Gentleman.
@@seka1986 yeah but no one mentions the fact he had social anxiety disorder. It's mentioned in his manifesto but most people don't bring that up for why he couldn't introduce himself to women. most people just think he was too narcissistic to introduce himself and just sat around waiting for women to introduce themselves to him.
@@vice2versa but that's totally why it happened. Not saying he didn't have social anxiety, but he legit was too far up his own ass to apply himself in that department, despite him being eaten alive by his unfulfilled need for female adoration. I do agree that he'd be an interesting subject for the good doctor here, though.
@@mc_zittrer8793 no in his manifesto, he actually made some attempts to put himself out there. He tried saying hi to a girl walking past him one time, thats the only courage he was able to muster before retreating back into his shell. It's just when you have social anxiety, disorder, it comes across like you are not trying but your brains high level inhibitions stop you from really being able to do anything about it. normal people take their self expression for granted but someone like him usually end up virgins for a very long time and are unable to express themselves in a healthy manner. they just come across as shy and aloof or at worse awkward. Elliot hated being seen that way and i don't blame him because I hate being seen that way.. I will say that his ego is big and his inability to put himself out there and get a girlfriend stung way worse for him than the average person which is why he took that as more of an insult than your average guy that doesn't have much luck with women. For elliot, the idea of commiting acts of violence came far easier to him due to the level of anger and envy in his heart.
Narcissism is what you all society are infected with
There he is. ..🙂 I agree with almost all reasoning you did in this vid. However, there are a few things, in which I think slightly different. Firstly, it was reported in our media, that he's a person suffering from schizophrenia, and I think this diagnosis is absolutely justifiable in his case. I never doubt this one single minute. This illness is a process - and of course it can start with what appears in younger years as a paranoid, schizoid or schizotypal personality disorder. Who is born with full blown schizophrenia?
Having catatonic states, his concrete thinking style that you mention when it comes to proverbs and his reluctance to share his inner world and all his other symptoms make him at least in my opinion a very classical schizophrenic person though. (When I saw his first picture, I actually thought that he suffers from Graves' ophthalmopathy, too. His eye problems are even more extreme than I remembered them, I refered exactly this picture that you showed at the very beginnning of the vid).
I disagree with two further statements of yours, firstly, that his thoughts about not feeling worthless when killing people, since their life makes no sense/has no aim in itself makes totally sense to me from a logical point of view. These thoughts are not in line with values that most people share, as well as I do, and esp. they contradict Christian values. However there is nothing inherently illogical in them imo (I would reason here, that his thoughts are so rational, that they actually become inhumane). I also can relate easily to his assumption the girls and women would like to meet him because of his profile on the dating page. Well, in a rational world, this would take place exactly like he assumes. Being somewhere in the realm of schizophrenia or the autism spectrum makes it hard to emphasize with other more common forms of human crazyness, who aren't in this realm. That these women might want to connect to him, because he is famous due to a capital crime he committed must have sound totally odd and irrational to him, I suppose.
I would part this from the horrible crime he committed. He is so obviously seriously mentally ill, and would be brought into a psychiatric facility for very long time here in Europe. I don't know what is better - a forensic psychiatric clinic or jail, and I don't envy people who had to decide one of this two fates for him. This is an extremely tragic story for all people involved. Thank you, doctor, for presenting this man in such a well thought through fashion. 💗
Hi, I know this is a year old comment, sorry, but I just wanted to acknowledge how insightful and thought-provoking it is. Thank you for choosing to share your perspective on it as it differs with Dr. Grande. I hope you’re doing well!
Such a fascinating case, I love your videos Dr Grande, so great how you describe every detail of the crime in such a clear way, your the best 🥰
It would be great to see a more in depth video about trichotillomania. It is something that I have developed a few years ago and there are not enough factual resources on it! Thank you as always for the amazing content :)
Disorder where you pull and fidget with your hair
Wwl you can just ask me anything you want to know, smuggled this phone in prison
"He has thoughts of killing people, but I don't think hes dangerous"
Uhmm...what?
Typically people that say “thoughts of killing people” might be more full blown APDs and have other personality traits that are very different from James Holmes
We all have bad thoughts
Proof that nobody knows shit. They just guess.
Thing is, a lot of people have those types of fantasies, but nonetheless, that's not something to push aside, even if the individual would never hurt anyone.
it's human nature to think violent thoughts, none of us are little angels. they're called intrusive thoughts. they are thoughts, they are not concerning to psychologists/psychiatrists until you start telling them that you are indeed going to kill someone (or yourself) or you are planning to.
I’d love to see a video regarding the idea that children of psychologists have more issues. Or if there’s is any truth in it because I’ve heard this a lot.
It’s the psychologist that are crazy
Psychologists aren't known for their own self reflection.
The thing I’ve noticed about therapists is they don’t tend to judge any behavior as bad. I understand the approach and theory of this approach, but it seems we have 50 years of data that states the approach is a failure.
I have only known one child of a psychologist....well, both parents were psychologists. He was kicked out of college his Freshman year due to psychiatric instability. I remember there being lots of drugs, broken glass and terrifying pictures/journal entries. It is my only data point though.
Interesting...
I remember watching James Holmes’ entire trial. It was sad and fascinating, there is a lot to learn about the law and about mental health from this case. Thanks for making this video!
Can you imagine how much you'd've learned from Eliot Rodger if he hadn't killed himself? Or any other killer?
@Takeshi Matimoto I’m not fascinated by the actual killing, for me it’s the whole legal aspect and how trials are conducted, but yes, I get your point!
Fascinating commentary. Your analysis is always spot-on. 👌
Love your videos. Scientifically informative and reflective of your deep experience. Very different from the typical generic videos on TH-cam. Keep the great work up Doc!
As an autistic person, I can have a go at explaining what Holmes meant when he said people had no purpose or meaning (why did it matter if they lived or died) and so killing them made him feel less worthless.
If he considered other people more worthy than him simply via their ability to live with each other in human society, one he could not himself fully participate in yet when he looked at it, it seemed their lives had no purpose or meaning - then by killing these more worthy people, that would make him feel less worthless as he now had no-one to compare himself to.
it derives from boredom and inbound thinking, that you cant go beyond the barrier of existence, that you are within bounds of the universe and dont know what's outside that dimension and that's why he thinks everything is meaningless because he cant confirm the existence of a greater reality.
meh
Maybe. I just think there was a lot more going on with him than ASD and even delusions. He was bad to the bone lol, probably a dark triad personality. I'm autistic as well and saying I don't participate in society is a huge understatement and while I do have concerns about the point of existence, I don't wish for others to suffer. I do believe we are no more important than other sentient beings but I don't even enjoy killing insects.
Wouldn't mind seeing Holmes dead, though. People like him only exist to make existence even more miserable. Never really understood the logic of some folks who say "if you kill even someone lie Ted Bundy, you're acting just like him!!!" No. I'm not lol He's a sadist.
I think he also had ASD beside the other issues. My son has ASD
What an excellent, comprehensive examination of the many diagnoses that could be applied to this mass murderer! I love that you looked at many aspects of his development and socialization (or lack thereof) over the years. Thanks for continuing to provide concise, fascinating descriptions "of what could be going on" in the cases you address, Dr. Grande.
I would love to see a video that talks more about homicidal ideation. I've seen a lot of information about suicidal ideation and ways psychologists screen for it, but I don't see as much discussion about HI. I always appreciate your perspective!
This took me back to med school. Interesting video. Enjoyed watching this
I had trouble with public speaking in front of crowds so I made myself take speech 1 & 2 in college. I got an A in both and got over my fear of speaking in public
@@kurtlamprecht93 Hey man let him express his achievement
@@kurtlamprecht93 I bet you are dealing with social inadequacy hence your standoffishness and passive aggressiveness. I'd bet you may even relate to James Holmes in some ways. And that's absolutely okay! We all have a little social anxiety
@@kurtlamprecht93 no offense but I don't care what your perception of what okay is
I took one speech class, and I have severe anxiety too, unfortunately it didn’t help me. After the class was done, the teacher offered remarks and comments to each student aloud, and I still remember what he told me because I thought it was odd, and it was also said in front of everyone which made me uncomfortable because I felt like I was outed out. He said that as soon as I went up there it’s like I would flip a switch. I rarely interacted with people in class, because I was always anxious, and I never did quite enjoy talking to people. I still don’t, but I care deeply for others, and I wish I had the ability to be myself around others.
That little " life after prison" joke is proof that Dr. Todd Grande, is in fact, a little stinker........
Oh, he offers us plenty of proof of that in every video.... 😉
@@tuck-brainwks-eutent-hidva1098 I know the little rascal in him pops up every once in a while
....a big stinker imo. But often he tries to be kind.
@@Able_Hotel42 More lately, it seems. It's cracking me up.... ☻
Not diagnosing Dr. G- only speculating on what could be going on in a situation like his...
I humbly implore you Dr. Grande to do an analysis of "The Girl in the Box case" the abduction and torture of Colleen Stan by Cameron and Janice Hooker. Easily each person would require their on video. Lastly I'd like to convey my appreciation for you spending your time and all that you've learned over your career to help better educate the people in this world. Your a top bloke Doc Grande.
You're* Dr Grande can you do a video on people who feel compelled to correct grammar errors.
@@dougrogan379 This!! Please!!
Ive heard of the case, and it literally makes my skin crawl. 😬
Is she the one who went to visit her family with her abductor and "voluntarily" went back into the box under his bed?
@@dougrogan379 You didn't have to take the time to correct my poor grammer but you did and for that my dear Baxter I commend you. Many are fearful to correct me as I'm a 13th degree blackbelt in origami and just the sight of me picking up a napkin is enough to send absolute terror and urine down the pants of people. You've earned my respect Mr. Stockman may you go forth and conquer all that's around you beautiful champion.
The details of his youth seem... very specific. How could his teachers know his reasoning for doing well in school??
I thought so too. It sounds like some kind of excuse.
Believe it or not there are such things as interrogation to funnily enough find information or answers to questions like that one
@@anniemargareth7617 ???
I am autistic and I take everything, everything literally. I have little to no ability to think abstractly. I have at least learned if someone tells me nonsense like the glass houses thing, to ask them what they mean.
depression, humiliation and anger from not understanding any non-concrete language and from the deep humiliation/shame of being or feeling different:
he did his homework to avoid attention.
wanting to avoid attention means a desire to avoid humiliation.
being humiliated can make one angry at a person or people who humiliated you.
being ashamed can make one depressed- you werent humiliated BY someone, but rather you felt INTERNALLY ashamed.
humiliation leads to external blame.
shame leads to internal blame.
he did everything "right" (make good grades, not draw attention) but was not rewarded (no friends, no acceptance, no purpose, ostracized)
ocd tendencies or depression (wallowing? obsessive depressive thoughts?) meant he couldnt release himself from the humiliation thought patterns.
thus, *he felt humiliated ALWAYS* and so he lashed out.
he took his revenge on the world who humiliated him.
"People who live in glass houses, are ill advised to project stones" 🤣
I'm going to start saying it this way from now on lol
LOVE IT!!!
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Thanks for the analysis Dr Grande.
I would love your analysis of the case of Mary Bell, and of the killing of James Bulger. In both cases the perpetrators were 10 years old, and killed toddlers. After their jail sentences they were given lifelong anonymity.
I understand the impulse toward that judicial call, but unless it goes along with a lifelong parole and therapeutic treatment requirement, I think it's extremely unwise.
TUCK - Hidden Values I feel it’s a correct call, particularly in the Jamie Bulger case. The two perpetrators would have gotten lynched, had they not been given new identities, such was the public outrage. This cannot be acceptable, even to people to are fundamentally in favour of capital punishment (which I am emphatically not). One of little Jamie’s murderers is back in jail for repeatedly being found in possession of child porn, so there clearly is some monitoring of their behaviour subsequent to release.
Mary Bell had the most awful childhood, being used as a sexual prop by her prostitute/dominatrix mother from the age of 4, if I remember correctly. While these children were murderers, they were also victims. They would absolutely have been murdered themselves, had their identities not been concealed, therefore turning somebody else into a murderer. Awful all around.
One child murderer was age 6. She got treatment and supposedly grew up to be an ok mother.
6:55 James was sentenced to 12 Life sentences without the possibility of parole plus 3,318 additional years. If he was Canadian, he'd have to do the full 25 years for sure.
Lmao if he was Canadian he would be out with a clean bill of health, name change with full anonymity, and put up in a place that tax payers pay for. He and Vince Li would be roommates. Our justice system is an absolute joke
The antidepressant meds he was put on before the attack might have triggered bipolar mania, a mixed episode and/or a schizoaffective psychotic episode. Regardless of a diagnosis, I really think his doctor should also be accountable. She obviously screwed up in my opinion.
Just went to the theater and made a video about the event. It's sad that this happened. Even more sad that James never got the real help he needed and even worse that 12 people had to pay for it. RIP to the 12 victims
I watched the 25 hours interviews. Holy nail ghosts, I was sucked into the vortex that is James holmes. I was surprised to hear how his social anxiety was coped with by using homicidal thinking.
Hmm... I've done that? Wonder if a lot of people think thats bad...
@@abcdef-ze9hs you've had those thoughts? Or you watch hours of youtube? As far as being a bad thing for either on depends who you ask.
I lived in Denver when this happened, and remember hearing about it at work.
He has a wonderful smile. He is very empathetic and kind.
I got diagnosed with schizotypal personality disorder just because I believe in reincarnation and ghosts. I attended a Wiccan cover- reincarnation's not an unusual belief for a Wiccan. Neither is ghosts, and I was raised to believe in them as my Dad does too. Looking at this guy makes me wonder if my psychiatrist was the crazy one. I WANTED a diagnosis of ASD, not for kicks or even whatever counseling I could get. I figure I've made about all the progress it's possible to make, I can make eye contact if I have to and I've even developed something of a brain to mouth filter, though it's exhausting to do, and I don't need it to be on disability as I'm already disabled through other stuff. I just wanted the vindication, that my childhood of being socially inept, extremely unpopular, and an easy target for bullies weren't my fault. That the issues I still have aren't my fault. That I wasn't just stupid or lazy. (I'm a genius, but it's easy to feel stupid when you can't bluff and routinely struggle to tell when people are joking or being sarcastic if they don't make it obvious, or when you've never been able to recognize people well, tell people you don't see much apart, and are unable to describe people's facial features.) As a young kid my Dad made a joke about the both of us being aliens, and me being, well, me, I didn't realize he was joking and thought that explained why I never felt like I was the same as my classmates. About a year later I realized that I was, after all, just human, which was nice and all but it left me still feeling like a freak with no explanation why I was different. That was in my first year of kindergarten. (I was held back because we'd just moved and my grandpa had died, apparently I wasn't doing too well and the school told my parents they could either hold me back a year or let me advance normally and I they thought I'd have a mental breakdown. So my parents held me back to be on the safe side. Personally I don't remember being emotionally bothered by it at all. I'd went from one place where I didn't socialize and had no friends to another place where I didn't socialize and had no friends, so it wasn't as much of a change as the school thought. The only thing I hated was that the teacher kept ignoring me in class.) But apparently it's impossible because 1, they'd have to exclude other things and I have several comorbid conditions (Family history, yay! /sarcasm), and 2, they need a childhood record of some kind. Mom didn't really pay attention, she was too busy trying to pretend I was fine when she could, and no doctor ever mentioned it to her. Dad would have paid much more attention but he has brain damage resulting in memory loss, so he doesn't remember much of my childhood. I can tell them some stuff because my memory of my childhood is pretty good, as long as you don't want concrete times because my sense of time scales has always been bad (the other day could be a week ago, awhile ago could be a month to over 5 years ago, etc.), but I'm a biased source and besides, I might have been oblivious to something that actually mattered. So it'd be nice, but I don't see it happening. I have a degree in psychology, but that doesn't help- I'm not a psychiatrist so I cannot formally diagnose myself. Also, my mother and sister just said "that means you know how to answer the questions to get the diagnosis you want." Like they don't know I hate lying? Also, if that were the case I'd have gotten the darn ASD diagnosis and not the schizotypal crud.
i assure they are real. sry you went through the diagnosis.
i can’t believe they dismissed spirits. the catholic do exorcisms for a reason.
i have one sister that see demons. she is also a family counselor. early in her career as a juvenile officer. she had a young lady, that was told she was crazy. until my sister went to her home for a eval.
my sister her self saw dark figures in her home. next to her was her grandmother’s townhouse. they visited her also. she had more shade figured in her home. the grandmother was practicing dark magic. i can’t remember if she was pagan or a voodoo practitioner.
the ones in charge of this world, want us to poop poop the idea of dark magic because the use it on us.
telling us we are off our rocker. the more you speak with people honestly. you will find they have a unexplained event in their life time.
i myself believe in both reincarnation and spiritual beings.
reincarnation is one of the most practiced beliefs around the world. i hate when people of authority put people in a box.
Just dont kill people lol jk
"At the age of 11... he Became introverted". Does that mean personality trait isn't innate? How does the transition into a personality trait work?
Ok so basically Pee pee poo poo
Personality is set by age 3, so a change at the age 11 it would be that a trauma(brain/psy) or illness occurred.
I was introverted from a very young age per my mom. It's just who I am. I would be really concerned if one of my stepsons suddenly changed personality type and would get them into therapy immediately. Their future happiness is way too important to me.
Introversion/extrovertion is a spectrum...we usually have a preference and lean to one side, but we can use our other function when we need to..
The personality forms through different developmental stages of childhood all the way up to around 18(I think around 22 lol) years old..nature vs nurture.
Children can also not develop cognitive skills during those stages when they need to and the the right coping skills to deal with different stressors in their lives because parents don't teach them(they never were taught themselves, etc.).Trauma/stressors can effect one's personilty in different ways.
Personlity is a huge subject you can look at it from Carl Jungs ideas or by the DSM etc..
Everything has to do with our nervous system and when it breaks and one sits in a negative memory, you repeat that meory as if it is the present....so let's say someone is sad and then they just sit in sadness for such a long period of time...this sadness then turns into anger, ans sit in anger for too long, then it becomes bitterness. After this is when one's negative thoughts/memories can alter one's personilty...
@@smeggerssmeghead3100 Not true, liar.
My dad once said my brother reminded him of Holmes. Very smart but struggled with using it or understanding how the world worked. My brother ended up shooting himself in November 2018. I have bpd myself, it really makes me wonder what was going on with him. Please, if you have a family member exhibiting strange and erratic behavior make them get the help they need. If even one of my brother's suicide threats was reported to police and he got a 51/50, he would not have been able to obtain the firearm he used to kill himself.
I have be BPD. We got messed up as/after toddlers, schizoids didn't even make it that far... they have a difficult time distinguishing inner and outter reality ie earliest infancy...sort of like we do in the realm of relationships us/them. AHA!!! I just heard the Doctor said Schizoid!!! LOL Five years of studying this stuff online many of the freakiest weirdest killers are schizoids...not psychopaths who usually do it for a reason of value or personal revenge. Schizoids are like psychopaths without the charming, logic, crazy, fun n sexy side that sucks people in.
So why didn't your dad help him if he noticed that about him? Your brother was probably so frustrated. 😞
I had a good friend who was a felon. He was not allowed to have firearms. He got one from someone selling them illegally. His brother found him dead. If someone wants a gun, they will get it no matter what the law says.
@@thorndriscoll4577 I dont know. No one in my family handled my brother properly. I was the youngest for 15 years, and since I had mental health issues myself no one really listened to me. A lot of my bpd was born out of my brother beating me and trying to kill me. My mother preferred my brother over me and after I was beaten she would call the cops, tell them I was suicidal, and the cops would take ME away in cuffs for a 51/50, even if I had bruises on me. He was 7 years older than me and started beating me when he was 19, so it was always an adult beating a girl. I feel like I was the only one who saw his true insanity. Instead of getting my brother the proper help they took me to a psych who diagnosed me bipolar and put me on 8 high dosage antipsychotics and antidepressants. I still remember my mom telling my psychiatrist, "Jay (me) sometimes forgets things, and (my brother) would never lie." As I sat there with a giant black eye he had given me.
My brother never saw a psychiatrist as an adult and had very minimal therapy as an adolescent. He used a lot of psychedelics to try and fix himself. He didn't understand how to interact with people. I feel like, in retrospect, he may have been on the spectrum. Overall, my family, police officers, and psych professionals continually ignored his violent behavior and constant suicide threats, right up until he blew his brains out early one morning on an Arizona freeway.
Im studying psych. I have a saying I came up with: "Some people fall through the cracks, others were pushed through." The system is awful and corrupt. He almost strangled me to death when I was 16, repeating "I can kill you whenever I want." Well, I'm alive and he's not. I carry a little urn with his ashes everywhere with me. Im not going to let more people be pushed through the cracks.
@@derbykitty666 the issue I have was how easily he obtained one. The one he shot himself with was bought after my dad took away his other one after a night of threatening to commit suicide on Facebook. It would have been much more difficult if someone, ONE FUCKING PERSON, alerted the authorities about his breakdowns. Its ironic, my family have always been trigger happy with calling 51/50s on me if I even hinted at being suicidal, but not one call was made for the violent family member who has threatened to murder people in the past and owned a firearm.
Yeah, the class you take to alleviate homicidal thinking is a prerequisite for business majors.
And political science majors.
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And most of them fail it.
Ha love it!!!
That class doesn't alleviate homicidal thinking, it's actually the lobotomy you get at graduation that does it. Source: I was a business major.
I remember the night this happened. I live in Colorado and a good friend of mine lived in Aurora at the time. I woke up a freaked out. Luckily she was visiting her parents in Michigan. Rest in Peace to those who passed away that night.
i never have more empathy than for people like him. people who suffered so seriously and yet nothing could help and no one can understand. ive felt it myself, a horrible pain.
Another one who fell through the cracks with deadly consequences Thanks Dr G
Some people fall through the cracks, others are pushed through.
@@blujaebird True
Dr. Grande, I find this case to be one of the most ”complex” individuals and diagnoses thus far. Once again, despite watching several hours of his interview with a Psychiatrist, I learned much more details by listening to your video as well. The details you discuss add a great deal of information otherwise unknown. Thank you.
James Holmes, (in my opinion), should have been institutionalized years before the tragic death of 12 & 70 people injured; many seriously wounded...not counting the mental scares of no doubt hundreds!
“I” find it rare the jury didn’t find Holmes sentencing worthy of the death penalty? Wikipedia states, “bc of his mental issues” two jurors disagreed to death by lethal injection. Seems he escaped his life without harm...twice. The crime & punishment.
James Holmes no doubt needed thorough, intense and competent psychiatric care. I was not surprised that James pleaded Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity to avoid being sentenced to death for his crime because Colorado was still a Death Penalty state in 2012. A lot of people disagree with the assertion that James was insane and knew his actions were wrong. They cite the amount of planning James put into the attack on the Century 16 Movie Theater and that he rigged his apartment with numerous boobytrap explosive devices to kill the police officers who searched his apartment for evidence and the tenants unfortunate enough to still be in the building. Others believe that James was very much insane and couldn't know that his actions were wrong. They cite his history of mental health issues and numerous therapy sessions with his psychiatrist Dr. Lynne Fenton.
Forty or Fifty years ago he would almost certainly have been involuntarily committed LONG before his murderous act -- quite possibly as a teenager. I'm 67, and I remember such days. Indeed, I'll never forget the time a neighbor was taken away in an ambulance -- never to be seen again -- after allegedly "trying to choke" his wife. If people were clearly "impaired" psychologically, there were "put away". I wonder what Dr. Grande has to say about that considerable change in the legal treatment of people with obvious and severe psychological problems since those days. There have been many positives, but perhaps a few negatives, too. Certainly, a large proportion now living on the streets would instead be living in institutions, under the standard practices then.
Maybe the institutionalizing stopped because disabled people got rights and then the government has to pay for dignified (ish) conditions in those institutions. Maybe that.
That's actually a very interesting point in law in states where access to guns are so unrestricted, based on "Rights" but ignoring the counter balance that you don't want people out of control of their own minds to be able to pack six thousand rounds of auto. ammo.
GetMeThere1 tell us more about your neighbor who was taken away.
Alia yeah good point, there just isn’t enough butter to spread.
Dwight st. john “based” on rights? The right to bear arms is a constitutional RIGHT. How “based” is that??? 😜
I’m glad I’ve found your channel, I appreciate you’re insight!
He looks like a depressed Ronald McDonald.
See immature people like u cause people like him to think the way he does.
@@thorndriscoll4577 Pff
Oh, JETT!!!
@Jet Screamer, 😂😂😂😂
Jet Screamer lol good one
A very sad mystery for the victims. I wish we knew more about how people like him develop. As always, really good job breaking down the various mental states.
His parents were quite remiss in not encouraging him to seek mental health treatment, when he was so obviously suffering from depression, but rather "telling" him to go to graduate school.
I cannot begin to understand their motivation for this little idea.
It seems to me they should've pursued that a lot earlier.
@@cynthiaallen9225 I absolutely agree!
I appreciate him trying to get help. That is a hard step to take.
I have schizotypal personality disorder . When I got diagnosed with it I had never heard of it before so i was shook because I like researching mental illnesses . I am on antipsychotics for it so I am a lot better now. I would never harm anyone despite it. If anything the harm is more aimed towards me
Can you describe your symtoms in general?
Dr Grande, I've read more in depth about Holmes and watched several hours of video of his in jail clinical psych evals.
Is it odd to feel sorry, have sympathetic thoughts about such a person?
I've read so much about his rich parents, his well known father and his sort of celebrity in his work field who was either in travel for work or just always very busy. His mom who kind of just 'ignored ' James sometimes just hoping he would get better on his own then when James was given medication after a pre-teen psych eval she didn't really follow through with making sure he took his meds correctly.
Then when showing he was a gifted student just shoving him into the college to pursue the same field as his father thinking that he'd just 'grow out of it' and go on to be 'respected & responsible' like his father.
Can or I will SHOULD any of this be put back onto the parents fault, say as mental childhood neglect? Is there further reading recommend on the mental effects of childhood neglect?
Thank you for a reply comment.
The world needs more people who can have empathy for perpetrators, especially in proportion to their experiences of trauma and victimhood. Many folks think it's a "zero-sum" game -- that any empathy for perpetrators necessarily takes away from that for victims. It's not the case; all victims need support for healing and recovery, both those who go on to perpetrate against others in spectacular ways, and those who don't. Good for you. 😉🙏
Same as the kid from LA who shot up his school Eliot Rogers I think? Eliot something.. his father was a lowlife sob director who treated his kids like a $8 extra he wish he'd never hired to be on set. His kid was in major pain while his father flew around the world blowing million interviewing people about GOD!!!
Emotional neglect is what that sounds like to me. It can be devastating even to a “normal” child.
@@tuck-brainwks-eutent-hidva1098 I've developed this POV after becoming a high school Special Education teacher in NYC. Every characteristic or undesirable act a teen has or does is due to a reason(s). I feel so lucky to perceive this and still be able to care deeply about the person. It's my responsibility to acknowledge their value and preciousness, even if they did something 'bad". Love the kid but not the behavior. My colleagues don't do this.
I've always felt a little sorry for him, I could never put my finger on why though... Alot of killers just seem so empty and uncaring but he just seems... Lost. Idk obviously what he did was deplorable but when someone has obvious mental health problems I have to feel a little sorry for the person.
It's so odd to me that he took all this time and energy to booby trap the apartment, but told the cops about it. But then says he felt nothing as he sat in the car waiting for the police to show up. It dont click imo. He had to of felt something even if it were fear for himself thinking if I tell them and dont hurt them that'll but me some credit. Idk nothing about this guy has ever made sense to me. It's so bizarre
The gun jammed and he couldn't clear it! This probably made him want a redo, so he was looking to save the video-game and start over! since he was in an alternate state of mind he used for gaming. I wonder what James Holnes impression of Columbine killers was? Did he idolize them? He was 13 when they attacked their school, did he wish he could have been there, was he competing with them? I would like to hear from Dr Grande about the parents, seems like they missed an opportunity to shape this kids mind and habits (I'm not trying to blame, video games were new and more violent than necessary back then, there's more composure in violent games today). Specifically when he returned from college and did nothing, they suggested he get a PHD? When they obviously should have had him evaluated, and at the least let him know they cared?? Seems like the parent trying to be open to anything he wanted to do, left him without roots, without meaning, without real meaningful structure in his life! He could have used his life to help others, instead he lived a fantasy.
@Old Iron I'd say you're pretty on point.
Old Iron There are certainly many unobservant parents but it is also true that as troubled teens we tend to hide a lot of our troubles from our loved ones as well. I struggled throughout the entirety of my teens with severe peer abuse and ostracization at school - to the point that both my mental and physical health collapsed at age 18 leaving me permanently disabled (as in myriad chronic health issues like Fibromyalgia, CFS, IBS, myofascial pain syndrome, severe sleep disorders, severe chronic pain plus C-PTSD and AvPD, just to name a few of the issues the abuse caused) - but my parents had no idea how unhappy, troubled, and depressed I was as a teen as I became very good at wearing masks when around others to project an appearance of absolute normalcy, complete with a smile. It wasn’t until my late 40s that I ever shared with my parents the reason why my health totally collapsed at 18 years and 5 months just before I graduated high school, though I still hesitate to tell them anything more than the most superficial details as I really don’t want them to blame themselves nor do I really wish to dredge up some of the problems within my family during those years (it was a stressful period at home with limited abuse and benign neglect, the usual getting too caught up in one’s career, but it was the years of severe peer abuse that did the real damage). Of course, last year was the start of a very bad year as all the memories of that past abuse started bubbling up after decades of burying those memories until they could eventually be buried no deeper coupled with the decades of extraordinary loneliness that comes with AvPD when you can not bear to spend much time around others, trust nobody whatsoever, have no close friends, and the only romantic relationship I ever had was nearly 30 years ago with a former close friend that proved extraordinarily violent (she was an undiagnosed Borderline and also a victim of abuse, but not an evil person as so many choose to see in Borderlines) and destroyed the last of what was left of my ability to trust others (it was only 3 months ago that I finally made my first new close friend in nearly 30 years). Things had gotten to the point that I typically spent 23-1/2 hours each day entirely alone, reading, watching TV/TH-cam, or engaged in my hobbies, and usually only left the house a few times each month for either my doctor appointments or to shop for whatever items I needed but could order online (including food and medication) - it was just too painful and stressful to be around others for any length of time (it still is very difficult to be around others for long). Yet I was very good at hiding all of this from those who knew me as I excel at projecting an air of normalcy when around others including friendly compliments of others as I hate for anyone to feel unseen and unacknowledged the way I have felt for so much of my life and people believe that mask to be my true self. Even when my anxiety from C-PTSD and AvPD was at its absolute worst in public (such as when public speaking) I could still effectively hide how I felt from everyone through shear willpower so long as they did not recognize my faster pace of talking or flushing for the anxiety that it really was (and remarkably few ever noticed those few cues I could not always hide).
I guess my point being that there is a reason why so many families and even close friends and confidants are often taken by surprise when their child, family member, or friend commits suicide or some other terrible act during a psychotic break or moment of weakness as we are both very good at hiding our feelings and emotions from those we seek to protect or fit in around and that often couples with most other people’s unconscious desire to believe that all is well with those they love or care about, often causing them to miss the more subtle signs that are much more difficult to hide and less overt. And then, of course, there are those families who will ignore such signs no matter how in their face it is. Like your experience I had a cousin a few years younger than I whom I grew up with and who stole from both myself and my grandparents and was actually caught in the act of trying to trade in my grandfather’s old coin collection by a banker that was good friend# with my grandmother (my grandmother being one of those people who seem to know absolutely everyone in a small town). My aunt and uncle reluctantly acknowledged that he stole “a bit” from my grandparents but never could understand why I was angry with him for years for the many tools he stole from me because in their mind he didn’t steal anything since he was not caught red-handed...it was just a coincidence that all the tools that I had loaned to his brother for his project car had miraculously gone missing, as well as several hundred dollars in cash from my bedroom, on the exact same day that my grandparent’s property was also stolen and that this cousin had been living with all of us at the time (I lived on a farm, all our homes were connected with common property lines). They never could accept that I should have any reason to be angry with him for stealing from me since he wasn’t caught red-handed with my property (all of this was for drugs, as one may expect)...in their mind he did no wrong against me. Parents self deceive themselves a lot as nobody likes to believe that they failed as a parent or that their child has turned out badly or troubled. Cognitive dissonance runs deep in humanity!
@@ethanpoole3443 - jesus christ dude nobody is going to read all that. Lay off the meth.
@@davidabest7195 XD Even if few people will, I think it's ok to vent some feelings from time to time like this. But You are right it is long as hell
I was living in Aurora when this happened. I had always been concerned about possible drug use/abuse as a factor in this case. Your summary of the case history makes clear this young man was almost certainly brilliant but mentally unwell. I say this because he had a 4.0 GPA.
From what I understand James Holmes did not use drugs or alcohol. While I was not surprised that he didn't get the Death Penalty even though Colorado was still a Death Penalty state; I think that the sentence was reasonable under the circumstances. James had pleaded Not Guilty by Reason of Insanity to avoid being sentenced to death.
Dr. Grande:
Good video. I love the humor that you slip in and no wave but steady. That's good stuff. Smarts are intriguing (yours).
Wow you blew my mind on this one. Good job my friend
Seems like something happened when he was 10 that he never talked about.
@@michaelfetter8738 dude what, not everything is a conspiracy. Pizzagate is real but people try to make everything out to be a conspiracy and it takes away from the real ones
@@erri4433 oh ok i guess youre correct to dismiss what you dont know about, thanks for correcting me golly 👍
@@erri4433LOL lady.
@@mackhomie6 Going LOL adds nothing. You’re just mad because you sub conspiracies for a real hobby.
@@erri4433 not even close. I'm laughing at you for having the insight to realize not everything is a conspiracy but simultaneously falling for the dumbest one of them all
I would be very interested to know about his mothers pregnancy and his delivery as well as the possibility of a brain injury from other events.
Good point. Usually, this is overlooked, yet it's another factor, among many, of what makes one what they are.
I agree. It is unfortunate though. I'm thinking if society wasn't so reactive, he could've had a fighting chance if intervention took place when he started displaying unusual behavior at 10.
They said his mother had a c section
It may not even be his real Mother. If you watch the trial, there is a small part where a woman is found in contempt of court for an outburst that had some disturbing information alleging she is the mother and for them not to put the death penalty on the table for her son and that their whole family is FBI and she had Holmes taken off her and grew up with his current family.
@@fenderstratADHD I was a C-section baby and I've *never* murdered anyone or have thought about killing. So perhaps there were complications.
Damn cases like this always remind us that we need a much better mental heath care system. I mean, that guy went to mental health providers and actually talked about having homicidal thoughts. Nothing happened and now his life and many other lifes are over and ruined. I can't get myself to judge that dude. I rather feel sorry for him, he'd needed help but society failed him.
I agree. I don't think morality is a useful framework for understanding tragedies like this. I think we can all agree this is "wrong" by the standards of our society, but that fact doesn't explain anything or provide any solution, or resolution, besides possible catharsis through retribution. This isn't theft, or even assault, this goes beyond any of the moral lessons we were taught as children. Something has to go very wrong for someone to get to this point, whether psychologically or organically, and being/becoming "evil" is a vacuous, low-resolution way of understanding that process. Does it make sense to say, "I'm a good person; he's a bad person," when I never dealt with a lifelong compulsion toward violence? I sure as hell can't remember facing a moral dilemma in which I (thankfully!) decided to follow my pastor's advice and _not_ commit mass murder. I'm not saying he's innocent, or that he should be pitied, I just mean to say that this is a tragedy for all involved and attempting to apply simple, moralistic labels to these events will only obfuscate things further. Holmes should've received serious psychologically counselling and whatever other treatment deemed necessary, but for whatever reasons, the symptoms and self-reporting were ignored by the mental health professionals with which he had contact.
In my point of view we are all part of society. We all end up hurting someone and start a chain or be inside the chain itself.
From the quotes of his reasoning, it sounds to me that one of his motivations was the certainty that there will be media coverage of his mass shooting, but I dunno.
I was in and out of psyc wards all last year for panic and suicide. I even spent 3 months in a extended stay one (the place you go before they send you to the state hospital for a long time). They don't do shit. The doctors give you antidepressants and talk to you for like 5 mins. They have bs classes about goals and managing anxiety and depression. Most stays are 3-7 days then they kick you out.
Truth is humans in general don't really understand the human brain. It's a crap shoot.
we live in a fallen world and there’s no way around these problems, throughout all history it has been the same after adam and eve sinned, and as much as we think we have got figured out it’s not changing until this world is not hear anymore.
Thank you once again Doctor Grande for some really interesting information on different individuals in your programs. I wish you would have been one of my university professors.
Out of all the killer cases, he should have been found not guilty by reason of insanity (but then ordered treated at a mental facility until cured - which he would never be). Giving someone over 3,000 years is crazy and that judge needs to be examined by professionals!
You are a genius Dr. Grande.