Weaker version of nagato soloed the village while itachi scared danzo and Obito worried on how much itachi knew since even konan was able to find a way around his phasing. Guy meanwhile has to go full gas to take out kisame bar night guy so it's an uphill battle.
@@jasonmoukala8909 hes alot fast and smarter and his jutsu variety is better but kisame could still beat him.. if hes near the ocean or a massive lake imo.. or a its a draw
Honestly with how nagato soloed Naruto and bee who should be stronger than base kakashi and guy with their feats up to this point in the series. Naga and itachi just have so many high defense and offense compared to kamui and air force.
True agree with that ...but it's my take Base (Kakashi and guy) vs nagato and Itachi at full potential.....Itachi and nagato wins But 8th gate guy and dms Kakashi vs Itachi and nagato ....guy and Kakashi wins
@@ivanbluecool kakashi is massively stronger then his first two encounters with itachi, itachi won’t be able to handle guy gates like hidden lotus blitz or hirudora to chin Nagato won’t keep up with guy either
@Noblesavage31 cute but wrong on all fronts there. First time was a stomp without even trying. Second time 30 percent chakra on both sides for kakashi and guy on itachi and kisame. And this time itachi is also not held down by the sickness. Kakashi didn't grow that much check the data reports. Now as for pain. Once again kakashi had back up for 2 parts of nagatos power while he was looking for Intel and still got crushed needing Naruto to handle it while once again nagato beat a stronger Naruto and bee in the same timeframe. Kakashi and guy would need to literally burn themselves out at the start to have a chance and if not get crushed instantly unless you can convince me kakashi is so somehow stronger to handle Ms on himself or izanagi and izanami type powers plus rinnegan.
@@ivanbluecool 1 thing is guy and Kakashi has better coordination....they already have info about each other (nagato and Itachi) .... Kakashi in this whole fight is just to seal ....the whole fight will be guys ..... And don't know what you know but brother Itachi nor nagatoo has any reaction speed or movement speed feat comparable to 8th gate guy ....they gets decimated before they can react ....at one point even jubidara was shocked that guy was literally bending space ....even claiming they can move before guy is a wild glazing .... There isn't any competition of jutsu's if they can't outmatch someone in speed .... And don't give kcm Naruto fight thing that is already debunked many times
I promise you in the second scenario, guy uses the 8th gate and kikashi goes blind. When you think about it, it took the nine tails rampaging to beat pain. Love kikashi and guy is strong but be fr lol
You mentioned that Nagato cant move by himself, but he literally Shinra Tensei'd Bee like hundreds of meters away and appeared behind him as he was still flying(that was before even absorbing Bee's chakra). I'd say Nagato was pretty mobile for a cripple
EDO versions have regeneration and infinite chakra. There's no way Kakashi and Guy can win. 8th gate is their only hope and the edos would just regenerate after their beating is over.
What can 8 gate do to edos? Guy has no way to seal them. They just going to keep coming back and guy is just going to die and thats assuming itachi dont just genjutsu them immediately.
Neither of them could withstand an assault from 8 gates guy, he completely stagnants them with any of his techniques while Kakashi snipes both of them with kamui while they can't move
@nicholasoddey8356 Their bodies would just keep turning into paper tho if guy keeps hitting them and that's assuming they let guy get to the 8th gate since Madara let me do it. Also even if Kakashi send them to the kamui dimension than what? The moment Kakashi uses kamui after that Itachi being smart would know what to do it gets out or would just attack Kakashi if Kakashi goes into the dimension. Sending them to the kamui dimension just seem like you are prolonging the problem.
@tythegreatttg i think it's fair to assume guy can activate the 8 gates since it's not like guy needs time to activate it he can simply peirce his heart. Kakashi can also use a sealing jutsu once they can't move. In the context of this fight prolonging would be beneficial to guy and Kakashi bc that gives then time to recover and have naruto or killer assist them with sealing negato and itachi
@@tythegreatttg kakashi isn't obito he never goes to the dimensions and itachi and nagato have no wya to track where kakashi would be in relation to the kamui dimension even if he did, there isn't a way out or down side to sending them their.
Edu Tensie Itachi and Nagato is too strong because they already exceeded their limit they will not run out of chakra and stamina they are also immortal while Kakashi and Gai would feel the side effect of their jutsu and it is a suicide for them to go all out I will give the win for these 2 edu tensies even if Kakashi kamui Itachi then Itachi scatter into crows and easily dodge it.Then Nagato can throw many giant rocks to Kakashi to obtruct that Kamui. Gai will get exhausted after fighting Nagato multiheaded hounds .
Guys i thought of a thing that poeple don't speak about in a nagato vs obito(orange mask). Poeple says that obito win only because of kamui , nagato has a more powerfull strengh but "he can't touch obito". But if obito suck one of the pain(or nagato himself), it's a game over for him, we saw a pain stil moving even when they are in a differents space in the fight with giraya, so if obito take even one pain in his space, he is dead because he can't phase like he want( ex: 4 war , naruto, kakashi), plus pain is a one man army with multiple vision... If a pain can still move in kamui, obito orange mask can't win
hahahaha creator forgot itachi tanked kirin , itachi tagged obito with amaterasu. where was kamui then? People talking like. kakashi could. hit a target with kamui then y didnt he kill any jinchuriki ,base madara ,ten tails. jubito ,you couldnt hit someone. atitachis speed and yata would definitely. reflect that shit back both of them would have to fight with their eyes closed
I don’t think people understand that point blank headshot that could have been City level + buster ( he’s all together now everything gets a massive boost in power)
People always talking about hitting the yata mirror from the side as if it can't just turn. The dude has a sharingen and a genius. You think itachi didn't think of that if negi could???
Itachi and nagato being edo means they need to be sealed. So even if kakashi and guy hit them with a deadly shot they need to seal them before the regenerate. If they only hit one of the two the other can get in the way so he gets time to regenerate
Brother guy is relative to kcm Naruto in speed in base as clearly shown against obito. If he uses the 8th gate, it’s a minimum x100 speed amp. Itachi and nagato are also relative in speed to kcm Naruto. Nobody can react to anything 100 times their speed it’s not possible lol. If guy goes 8th gate he blitzes them bad, dies, but kakashi just watching would survive and secure the w
Yeah itachi and nagato stomp untill you get 8th gate gai and dms kakashi then it’s a stomp in their favour Itachi and nagato were both massively superior to both kcm Naruto & killer bee who are arguably superior to both gai & kakashi by a decent margin Nagato blitzed both of them and had them both dead to rights within 30 seconds & itachi managed to literally blitz him straight after… twice lol and systematically took him apart in about 3 pages… so nagato & itachi are both individually far faster, and superior combatants… gai might be able to keep up with 7th gate but that’s it and one hirudora and he is out of the fight which itachi absolutely can block with yata mirror, gai also has zero defence against itachi’s Genjutsu and Tsukyomi one shots both same with totsuka blade which absolutely can hit them as I said itachi blitzed nagato someone blitz tiers above kcm Naruto & killer bee…. Overall either itachi or nagato could likely solo, itachi is faster, smarter WAY more haxed with many one shot options and nagato is also faster, again way more haxed and his firepower is a LOT more powerful Scenario 1 = 8/10 Scenario 2 = 10/10 Scenario 3 =-100/10 lol they aren’t touching 8th gate gai especially with dms kakashi
Bro,MS Itachi, Kcm Naruto, and Killer B weren't able to stop emaciated Nagato from going invisible and then ST blitzing them! He still has pretty speed feats(feet👀)
If guy goes 8 gates he’s just blitzing them both while kakashi stands backs. Base guy is relative to kcm Naruto in the war in terms of speed. 8 gates guys is minimum 100x faster. Nagato and itachi get blitzed badly
I’m sorry my boi itachi and nagato are dog walking guy and kakashi 😂😂 guy is the best man in the duo. bro nerfs them for guy and kakashi to have a chance the glaze was crazy😂 Edit: sick itachi put kakashi in a pack edo itachi was going band for band with new kcm Naruto that’s a feat guy is strong wit even the 8gates but really? The 7paths in one immortal body🤨🤨 we gotta be some kinda slow to not see outcomes in it Ya glazed kakashi and he nice but he would get packed first and then guy will get the jjk treatment 😭😭😭
Here’s how it actually goes. Early War Arc - All somewhat in the same speed class, with Kamui and totsuka blade being the fastes techniques in either duos arsenal. They can somewhat handle rinnegan techniques due to knowledge but that becomes a lot harder with Itachi running inteference. Kakashi and Guy can’t afford to worry about each other as they’ll have to be 100% focused on their current opposition. The Edo Duo takes this High diff Late War arc - Kakashi cooks either or both of them with Kamui. Especially with Guy there to pummel them to set up an easy snipe. 7th gate Guy (Late War Arc) was pushing back Juubi Madara, impressing Minato and Gaara especially. Kakashi (Late War Arc) has relative combat speed to KCM Minato and his Raikiri outsped KCM 2 Naruto when he zipped past him to charge towards Obito. His Kamui fast enough tag anything they got and Guy can practically one shot any summoning. The Leaf Duo take this low/mid dif Eight Gate Guy (for some reason) and Kakashi vs Edo Duo - just a worse version of round 2. Guy just solos and pummels them to paper where Kakashi can seal/Kamui them. No/Low Diff
I love the character but Itachi is definitely the most gassed overrated and glazed characters in anime at least for the last 20 years. Minato is a close 2nd. These comments are RIDICULOUS!!
Let's see ....we are taking them at their max potential:- 1)Might guy :- can open 8th gates and use several techniques that are deadly even for jubidara ...such as night dai 2)Kakashi :- the copy ninja with a thousand jutsu in bag and dms is like invincible 3)Itachi :- his max potential should be at age 13 when he massacred the uchiha clan .... And used his ms 5 times ... that's the highest record for him though I think he didn't unlock his susanoo yet 4)Nagato :- The man who is a god and the power beyond imagination with rinnegan.... No more statesman are needed FIGHT =>WIN CONS FOR BOTH TEAMS 1)team guy and Kakashi:- guy with 8th gate is the most destructive man alive without any alien powers .....his 8 gate is faster than both Itachi and nagato could react ....he can bend space ....his attack are fatal enough to mortally injure jubidara so none of their durability gonna work ...if Itachi faces guy he dies and if nagato faces guy 99% chance he also dies and 1% chance if he manages to pull out guy's soul somehow god knows how Now the copy ninja Kakashi hatake..... With dms Kakashi is literally invincible..... Nagato or Itachi can't even touch that man where Kakashi can literally rip their heads off from a far distance ....And Kakashi ain't falling for tsukuyomi again as we saw in gara retrieval arc .... I don't think much explanation is needed 2)Team nagato and Itachi :- For Itachi his amaterasu or tsukuyomi or anything is useless against 8th gate guy ....he would die before he realise or do anything.... He can't match speed he can't match endurance....his susanoo isn't fast enough to seal guy nor is it strong enough to defend....if you are a Itachi fan just for that I can give 1 win condition and that's if Itachi manages to put guy in tsukuyomi which is highly unlikely coz we already saw how he found his own way to fight without looking in opponents eyes and kakshi ain't falling for tsukuyomi anymore For nagato shinra tensai ... summoning..... Revival ... And all is useless against guy bcoz of same reason I mentioned his attacks aren't faster than guy nor are those any usefull against attacks of night duy ... The only win cons I can give is chakra absorption and soul extract....how ever he can't touch Kakashi nor he is fast enough to catch guy to extract souls .... But he can definately suck out chakra against Kakashi atleast I haven't included chakra ill itachi or paralised nagato etc otherwise Kakashi with dms solos both of them no need for guy to open 8th gate Note:- unless you are an uchiha bias like the youtuber you can understand
@ohhellwhereami2574 if you take adult Itachi ....he is sick ... can't fight long battle and can only use ms abilities 3 times a day at max and also 90% blind .... He can't even move properly.... His susanoo being useless as it's incomplete anyone using earth style can go below Itachi's feat and attack him .... Also he can't maintain susanoo for too long ... Amaterasu can be blocked or dodged via speed and earth style or water style .... tsukuyomi already useless Against kakashi and guy coz guy is not going to look in his eyes anyways as we know and Kakashi also ain't falling for tsukuyomi again as we saw in gaara retrieval ... I gave Itachi 13 yo version coz I thought that had more advantage for him except experience
@AbHi12DaS aside from longevity, itachi adult stomps he casually killed a stronger version of Orochimaru while dying also survive kirin , he also has statement of having the highest order of prowess surpassing any prior feat, for reference ms sasuke
I think y’all are underestimating Guy and Kakashi. Guy and Kakashi together were equally going to perception blizt Rinnegan Obito if not for Kamui. The same Obito that was easily about to blitz KCM1 Naruto and he later on blizt KCM2 Naruto. They are both equally faster than both Itachi and Nagato. So Kakashi not being able to react to amaterasu and needing Kamui is a❌. Kakashi is easily reacting to that. If Guy decides to use Hirdora and Itachi goes to block it with Yata mirror, his Susanno would be standing still, giving Kakashi enough time to go behind the Susanno and Kamui it from the back. They probably would get hit from the damage leftover from Hirdora and Kakashi can then Kamui snipe one of them. And they can finish the next one together. That’s them if Nagato is still old and not at full power. They win at least 8/10 If Nagato is at full power, I don’t see how they would counter Planetary Devastation together, and that’s something Nagato can probably spam due to having infinite chakra as an edo. So Kakashi and Guy most likely lose if they don’t allow him to pull that off.
they have no chance before war arc XD NO CHANCE itachi and Nagato would do WORK like again guy gonna have to try n carry BAD nagata would be snatching souls
Their best bet is if guy goes 7th gate and obliterates the battlefield off rip but kakashi doesn’t have any AOE defense on that level Nagato has his summons and shinra tensei Itachi has sussano So no brute force taijutsu under eight gates will work It’d be an interesting fight on screen but not one I see kakashi and guy lasting long in
In my opinion Itachi is one of the most Unique, Authentic and Influential characters from the series. The thing that people underestimate about Itachi fights/encounters, isn't just his power, (it's mainly writters or Kishimoto's fault for making Itachi seem or to look very powerful throughout the series) but how smart and intelligent he is during various situations, he never, ever underestimates his opponents because of his composure and his way of being, the level of thinking he's on honestly dwars most people in the series, with only people like Minato and Shikaku comparable with him. More precisly, Itachi isn't just any ordinary Shinobi also, he pretty much knows and he's also aware that all strong opponents have weaknesses (including himself), and he specializes in finding those "weaknesses" and exploiting them ("*Even the strongest of opponents always has a weakness*" - Uchiha Itachi) because he's that type of character who can exceed almost any expectations. Itachi is very unique and authentic, especially in the factor of facing various encounters approach, his unpredictability in his way of fighting style approach it's his key factor in all of his encounters. Being blind or nearly blind has never slowed him down (especially when he's pretty much serious, but that's the point, he has never go all out against anyone during the series.) Itachi it's that type of character who can exceed almost any expectations. (at least that's what we were shown in the anime by the creator Masashi Kishimoto). Moral of the story, never underestimate Itachi. He did more sick than most healthy ninjas do in their entire life. In my opinion No One should underestimate such an unpredictable Shinobi like Itachi, even Madara (I won't say that Itachi can beat him, but at least he will be pretty much able to put a decent fight that Madara will also be impressed in my opinion). Also how can some of you guys even consider that Totsuka Blade it's slow when no such speed feat has been shown through the Shippuden that state it that it is slow? All of you are assuming it to be slow it may not be the case... Its not that the sword is unavoidable but it clearly has a very long range and is a very long blade. If you look at the manga, Naruto, Bee and Itachi are all relatively small from Nagato's point of view, and you can see the Totsuka Blade extending all the way from Itachi, piercing through Nagato, and still managing to nearly pop out toward the reader out of the page. I would say its fast because Kabuto coudldn't even react to it, and its not like Nagato was completely immobile to the point that he couldn't sidestep the blade. Also, Kabuto controlling people from far away is never stated to inhibit the Edos' reaction speed in any way. Being controlled by someone thousands of miles away didn't stop the Third Raikage from dodging KCM Naruto's Rasenshuriken. And as for Orochimaru, the sword struck him in between syllables of a word during his speech. I think that that is pretty fast. Pair the Totuska Blade with a good feint and its lethal because its ethereal, meaning it can pierce through any object. If the sword didn't live up to its reputation then Orochimaru wouldn't seek it out. People need to stop downplaying Itachi and denying the very clear speed feats of Totsuka. There is no room for interpretations here. The advantage of being an Uchiha, especially for Itachi and Madara, is that during an encounter against them, they always have a counter because of their unpredictable way of fighting factor, they don't run out of options or techniques, they almost always have a counter in their arsenal, even forbidden jutsus seems irrellevant against them, only a few Uchihas know a certain way to approach the situation with a certain and effective technique, that's why is hard/difficult to fight against them in my opinion. ☯️ 🤷🏻♂️ Here are the things that make Itachi so formidable. Tsukuyomi - A genjutsu so powerful that you literally can't escape it unless you have the same blood as Itachi, as stated by Itachi himself and proven later by Sasuke, or you're a jinchuriki. Jinchuriki are supposed to be immune to genjutsu but it hasn't been proven, but when Bee was fighting Edo Nagato and Itachi with Naruto, he said to watch out for Tsukuyomi explicitly. Literally 99% of all opponents fighting Itachi have no way of stopping Tsukuyomi. You could have the power to split the planet in half and it wouldn't matter. (Want to know why? - Kakashi pretty much state it in the actual anime and manga that Tsukuyomi it's such a dangerous Genjutsu Technique because it happen in a instant, even if you realize that you are trapped in the Tsukuyomi, it will be too late, because Itachi could approach you during that time in the real world (or he can use an Explosive Clone to approach you without you even realizing it in time and he can pretty much finish you before you can even realize, - 72 hours in Tsukuyomi realm means 1 second or a couple of seconds in the real world. Tsukuyomi can't be broken, when used to it's fullest.) The Sword of Totsuka and Yata Mirror - The Susanoo itself is a near invincible defense but these two weapons take it to the next step. The Sword of Totsuka can seal "anything" if it even touches it. It's completely OP. It's hard to fight a guy that can seal you away if his sword even touches you. The Yata Mirror is even a bigger deal in my opinion. It doesn't block attacks, it's "negates" them. You could throw an Amaterasu covered Bijuu bomb at Itachi and the Yata mirror will negate it, making it so the Susanoo doesn't even need to take a blow. You could punch the Yata mirror and the force will completely be negated. His biggest strength of all: tactical intelligence - Itachi always outsmarts and plans for everything because the plot demands it. You're physically strong? Itachi is already 2 steps ahead of you knowing exactly what to do. You're extremely fast? Again, 2 steps. You're going to try and outlast Itachi in a fight? Good luck. To add to this, some of the 3 most powerful techniques in the verse are due to his intelligence and planning ability; Izanami, Izanagi, and Kotoamatsukami. Izanami - A forbbiden genjutsu technique that allows you to alter someone's destiny. Impossible to break out of even if you know you're in a genjutsu without complying with the users set destiny for you. Even someone like Bee, a perfect Jinchuriki, can't escape Izanami unless he does what Itachi wants him to. Izanagi - You somehow gained an advantage over Itachi? He makes it so that advantage never happened. Kotoamatsukami - Though Shisui's technique, Itachi has his eye which effectively makes it his weapon. A genjutsu so powerful that the person it's cast on doesn't even know they're under a genjutsu. Like the Tsukuyomi, completely OP. To add to all of this, Itachi is pretty good at hand to hand combat, is great with shuriken, is extremely fast, is great with regular fire techniques, is slippery and unpredictable, and has the extremely dangerous and fast Genjutsu style of fighting approach that can caught you off guard almost at any time. With all of these things considered you've got one dangerous ninja. Lastly but not least Kishimoto made sure that Itachi was seen as someone special and he did an incredible job in establishing that in the story. When Itachi Uchiha awakened his Susano'o, he was seen wielding legendary weapons of the Totsuka Blade and the Yata Mirror. The former allowed Itachi to seal anyone he pierced in a world of genjutsu forever, while the latter gave him the ability to deflect any and all attacks thrown towards him, regardless of whether they were physical or spiritual in nature. According to Zetsu (who was around since the period of Kaguya time era until the present of Naruto) he state it in the anime and also in the manga that these weapons, when combined with his Susano'o, made Itachi Invincible. This is why Kishimoto basically had to give him a handicap: Naruto AIDS. 🤷🏻♂️ ☯️
Why would we want him to be invincible? He’s the main antagonists brother. I think he’s been written way too strong to begin with. Should have let itachi have the sealing sword 🗡️ and sasuke get the shield🛡️.
Video idea do a top ten senseis ranking, base it on how well they thought there students, what values they instilled in them how “Strong their students/ student became” how much impact did their students have in the world. Id say hiruzen is number 1 orochimaru is close second ironically enough 😅
@@ITACHITHEGOAT-gg4ky no i dont think he can kamui the yatamirror.. now way to know for sure other than statements.. ppl try to claim the truth seeking orbs are like the yata mirror but they arent they yata mirror is an astral weapon. It has no mass, and tou cant create a yata mirror.. but anyone who can use all 5 chakra natures can make a truth seeking orb if you know how
People are delusional thinking that if juubidara was getting speed blitzed, that nagato and itachi would fair any better, when juubidara is much faster than them lol
Madara was not getting blitzzed, Guy was getting hits in, sure, also mostly with the help of Minato and the rest. Minato was so fast that he moved in front of Madara's black balls, allowed them to get like right next to him and then port with them. That was in the middle of the fight. Madara is the type of guy that actually toys with its food. Madara is the type of guy to allow people to hit him. He allowed Sasuke to pierce his arm with a Katana to stop the fight and chat with him. 8 gates its good, not that good.
@@xxan84 what your saying ab madara is true, but you’re completely ignoring context. Go re read or re watch the fight. Madara was constantly in a state of concern and even monologued about how it was important he doesn’t get hit by guy. He could only react with his orbs, but physical speed wise he was getting blitzed he was not toying around 100%. Like I said just go look at the fight again, he was actively trying his best to avoid getting hit by guy
@@drhashtagyolo Madara blocked attacks against 8 gate Guy with his staff. After Madara blocked the first hit and ended up in a huge hole, he decided NOT to block shit since its a bad idea (read panels, chapter 669). Guy had insane power at that point, Madar, who CAN react with his body, decided its damn dangerous to do so, moved to other tactics, using the black sphers as defence, you can't fault Madara for having a working brain. Again, Minato also could react to full on speed Guy. Guy also would've had no way to get to Madara insane his black spheres BUT the team opened the way for him. After the team opened Madara's defences and Guy hit him, Madara is showed insanely happy and saying how exited he is, he was loving it. Guy noticed that its all meaningless and even if he smacks Madara around it does nothing, he decided to use his ultimate move on Madara. Even at night guy and you see Madara moving his staff in front to protect himself (he can react) but Guy's move is so OP that he is literally bending space. After Madara almost dies to said attack, he is LAUGHTING! I think you should go back and read the fight yourself. Madara can see Guy's move (rinnegan) and Madara can react with his body to Guy, its just very, very dangerous and not really effective since Guy's taijutsu is insane strong, and so Madara uses abilities for defence.
8th gate still loses. They can hide in invisible summons. Or Shinra tensei Kakashi and wait out 8 gates. Or bansho tenin him and hold him hostage. Or wrap Yata Mirror around themselves. Or just use any doujutsu really, since he has no durability and edos can still use attacks even while regenerating. Give them the 7 edo jins and they beat KCM2 Naruto and team. They do better than WM Obito regardless since they don't have his weakness.
Itachi and Nagato win unless it’s DMS Kakashi and 8 Gate Guy. Neither guy or Kakashi are on Itachi and Nagato level UNTIL this point where they vastly surpass Itachi and Nagato, however, this is a temporary power for Kakashi and a suicide tactic for Guy and with them being Edo could screw Guy over.
Nagatk Molly whopped Hanzo who molly whopped the sanin but you think kakashi and guy can fight I agree they have outs but they have to give up their lives
If we take at their max potential.... Maybe guy and Kakashi ....Naruto might beat both of them but I guess lee would just be a huge drawback for Naruto to carry through fight ... otherwise Naruto wins against Kakashi even dms but guy is like 70% chance i would say
@@AbHi12DaS lee 5th gate sliced madara in half like a blitz, in 5th gate he also perception blitz the gaara and kakashi trying to come up witha plan to save guy, 6th gate Lee was considered a plentiful help to him since armless couldn't throw kunai over guy before he clashes against juubi madara , 8th gate guy was also using special move which amps up speed as it goes on so thats even more impressive Lee was more impressive than give him credit for, boruto Lee do have access to 8th gate as well
Both in and out which both on their own counts as individual Kamui shots. Even though it took everything out of him it’s still impressive. (All be it it was due to Kurama givin him some chakra)
@ couldn’t remember if that was before or after he got chakra . Also idk if that’s because he was healed and restored by Kurama or specifically because of Kurama’s chakra. Either way I think he can snipe both Amaterasu and Chibaku sensai
@@jason15212the thing about using kamui on chibaku tensei is, the larger the object, the longer it takes to warp said object because…well it’s bigger. Amidst the chaos Itachi will likely capitalize on the fact that Kakashi and Gai won’t have their bearings due to the gravitational pull with say amaterasu for example. Gai won’t be in the position to defend Kakashi either, they’ll both be equally as vulnerable.
Very very interesting but it will finish with Itachi and Kakashi, because Kakashi will kamui Nagato and Itachi will seal Guy with the Tetsuga blade after Guy break his Susano, people always forget that Itachi Susanoo possess a reflection ability with the yata shield 🛡️... Amaterasu is useless against Guy because of Hiudora or Sekizo...Kakashi and Guy win only in this option, because in the final the space manipulation is above Itachi abilities, he can easily kamui Itachi in a close combat, if they are stuck in one position...After that if Guy focus first on Nagato they will loose because Nagato is also dangerous with human path, he will take Guy soul for sure... After this Nagato and Itachi win all the other options because Kamui isn't fast enough to catch Nagato and Itachi without a solid plan to bring them in a corner position....If it was Kakashi DMS and Guy 7 gates the chances of winning would have been more accurate for winning because we know all the possibilities Kakashi DMS can bring on the table to create opening for himself and Guy.
Well in this case it’ll be less likely that Nagato gets to full power since he can’t absorb Guys Gates. So when it comes to the first scenario yes they will. Kakashi’s is also very careful so the likelihood of him getting into a position where Nagato is gonna absorb a ninjutsu attack is low. Second scenario is wayyyyy different… as we said in the video
Maybe edo Chakra doesn't have life force imbued in it. While normal Chakra does. That's just a guess though and I have absolutely no evidence to back this up.
They have infinite refilling chakra, they have the same base chakra they had when they were alive but if they run out of that chakra they don't die since they're edos, the chakra just refills itself overtime, that's why they have infinite chakra.
They have infinite chakra regeneration but their chakra pool remains the same, lets say at the cost of burning up all your chakra you are able to use 20 amaterasu in life, in edo, it would still be 20 amaterasu but the twist is that you will be able to do 20 amaterasu infinite times, you still wouldn't be able to do 21 because your chakra pool [edo or not] is limited to 20, i think when nagato absorbed bee's chakra, that was him regenerating his chakra pool and not his base chakra
Still haven´t seen the video but I will give my take real quick, Kakashi, Guy (restricting 8th gate) and Itachi are around the same level, with Nagato being a bit above, however knoledge favors Kakashi and Guy and Kamui is a very efficient way of dealing with Chibaku Tensei. I tend to favor Itachi and Nagato for sure but it would definatly due to overall superior firepower but it would be a great battle for sure!
There’s an argument kakashi could snipe itachi and nagato tbh. Against obito when his kamui failed it was either because of obito countering it, or him using it on something very large like the mazou. He was able to pinpoint snipe a probably full speed kcm Naruto’s rasengan. Itachi and nagato are not shown any faster than kcm Naruto, they don’t have a kamui counter the way obito does, and they aren’t huge like the gedo statue. Ofc they will try to avoid it, but it’s actually a pretty realistic win con for team kakashi
Kakashi has limited uses and Itachi can use clones. I would say kakashi has lower chances of Kamui Itachi as Itachi has chances of Amaterasu Kakashi. Nagato just uses Rinnegan to cancel it. He can absorb the Jutsu or shinra tensei it away. No idea how efficient Nagato would be if he is not controlled by Kabuto or he does not want to win himself, I mean he was sitting in Amaterasu when he did not need to do so.
@@xxan84 I mean kakashi can also use clones, and the amatersu can be kamuid away, as we’ve literally seen this happen. So I don’t think itachi has any better chances landing Amaterasu on kakashi than kakashi does landing kamui on him. And like I said nagato is never shown being able to repel or absorb the bending of space, that’s your own head canon you made up
@@drhashtagyolo I don't think Nagato can push away space but the guy doing the space bending? Aka Guy? He could very well effect him with shinra tensei, to what extent no idea but 8 gate guy is taking down Nagato for sure, problem is, he also dies after. 8 gate guy would kill both Itachi and Nagato by himself judging by what he did to Madara. Its only a question if he activates 8 gate before he gets hit by Amaterasu or not. You can't Kamui Amaterasu away after its already on you. You are burning in insane heat. If Kakashi get's hit by Amaterasu, he is dead.
what if itachi just turned in circles real fast with his susano out TROLLING CLEARLY HERE BTW... kakashi war arc and guy just has overwhelming strength only thing itachi and obito can do is use there hax and itachis iq idk how they win but they can 50/50 IMO simply because the creators clearly wanted itachi to be the smartest and strongest
kakashi is not near itachi im sorry he isnt OK maybe a little but that fight against the 2 pain bodys was impresive but itachi would easy clown them without hax itachi just dosent flex his iq because they just nerf him every fight hes in by using hax
@ohhellwhereami2574 bro what? An Edo tired? My guy that has to be the funniest thing I've ever heard. Edo's have infinite stamina and by that point as the data book states Minato had gotten out of the funk he was in early in the juubito fight😂
@jiero3253 pretty bad take, minato literally had his cloak kcm2 ripped passing on naruto during the juubito fight minato also had no chakra left as he said to Tobirama as naruto was being strangled by God tree roots , he can't be at his peak during the encounter
It wouldn’t matter, if juubidara could barley react with his truth seeking orbs, nagato is not going to be able to properly time a shinra tensei against it
No chance sorry 😂 only arc kakashi and Guy…. maybe ninja war arc but at extreme difficulty When Nagato an Itachi hit the frame that was a major moment for power level scaling 😂
I disagree that it would be a extreme diff but maybe a mid diff at max if I am being a uchiha biased.... Nagato and itachi aren't even fast enough or durable enough to react and defend against 8th gate guy and for dms Kakashi it's a easy to no diff at max .... They can't touch Kakashi evn if they have the Intel about weakness of kamui what will they do if kakshi go in kamui to rifill chakra in middle of fight then pops up again and do a surprise attack .... Only win cons for Itachi is tsukuyomi but it's useless here coz Kakashi and guy both ain't falling in that .... Guy developed a special way to deal that and kakshi not falling for that as we saw in gaara retrieval... For nagato only chakra absorption and soul absorption is usefull in this case If we are taking both Kakashi and guy at their base form vs iatchi and nagato at their max then ofc they wins 😂
I think people tend to oversell Nagato and Itachi in terms of power and intelligence, Guy and Kakashi learned from past encounters and have grown stronger because they learned from previous fights, Itachi and Nagato (correct me if I'm wrong here) didn't learn anything since they died, I'd say it's high diff but Kakashi and Guy have it because they progressed a lot and because they have knowledge on them both that is relatively up to date
and intelligence... XD yes the physical power maybe but itachi without a doubt can be considered the best BATTLE IQ ini the show maybe tobirama above em but
Maybe but some factors to consider is that Kakashi has only ever battled the paths on an individual basis, he didn’t have to deal with them like Jiraiya for example and even now that we’re talking about Nagato he’s never fought one body with all of the abilities. Gai may have confronted Itachi and supposedly knows how to combat the sharingan but there’s two important things to consider. Gai developed that strategy (or more than likely) to use against Kakashi as a means of getting a one up in their rivalry, not only have we not seen him use it before but even if he was a master at it Itachi is a completely different fighter with an entirely different approach to battle, not to mention Itachi has his own haxs but that’s besides the point. It’s like sparring against only orthodox boxers and losing because during an actual fight your opponent was a southpaw and you had no experience with them. Y’know?
@ he makes the most insane claims ever. He’s a bad Naruto tuber imo. It’s been years since I’ve seen him but he’s said the most random and untrue things I’ve heard anyone say about the series
Who Is Smarter? Itachi or Kakashi?
Hmm it’s tough but if we’re talking straight tactics on the fly.. I’d say Kakashi. But in terms of phliosphy I’d say Itachi
Kakashi is smartest character overall in knowledge battle iq and eq
Itachi has the highest Battle IQ in the series behind Naruto.
In battle IQ Kakashi barely, but I believe overall long term planing and philosophy then Itachi
@@TheLightningBlade
On the fly, kakashi.
With prep, itachi.
The Kakashi Glaze is INSANE… the fact that folks are having Gai use 8 gates proves that Kakashi and Gai are outclassed by itachi and Gai…
But 8 guys gate would kill then in a blink and kakashi would just stand back and survive, thus winning their team the fight
this is just insane i genuinely don’t see guy and kakashi winning this in any way
Interesting video. I loved it.
@@Salomão-y6m thank you bro! Glad you liked it!!
Weaker version of nagato soloed the village while itachi scared danzo and Obito worried on how much itachi knew since even konan was able to find a way around his phasing.
Guy meanwhile has to go full gas to take out kisame bar night guy so it's an uphill battle.
U know kisame is near itachi in strength if not stronger 😂😂😂
😂 not even close, the only category kisame beats itachi in is chakra. In terms of everything else he's itachi's bitch@@jasonmoukala8909
@@jasonmoukala8909 he maybe stronger in strength and chakra but he doesnt beat itachi.. in most circumstances
@@jackschwanke603 maybe not but people act like he’s so far above kisame which isn’t in the case
@@jasonmoukala8909 hes alot fast and smarter and his jutsu variety is better but kisame could still beat him.. if hes near the ocean or a massive lake imo.. or a its a draw
Honestly with how nagato soloed Naruto and bee who should be stronger than base kakashi and guy with their feats up to this point in the series.
Naga and itachi just have so many high defense and offense compared to kamui and air force.
True agree with that ...but it's my take
Base (Kakashi and guy) vs nagato and Itachi at full potential.....Itachi and nagato wins
But 8th gate guy and dms Kakashi vs Itachi and nagato ....guy and Kakashi wins
@@ivanbluecool kakashi is massively stronger then his first two encounters with itachi, itachi won’t be able to handle guy gates like hidden lotus blitz or hirudora to chin
Nagato won’t keep up with guy either
@Noblesavage31 cute but wrong on all fronts there. First time was a stomp without even trying. Second time 30 percent chakra on both sides for kakashi and guy on itachi and kisame. And this time itachi is also not held down by the sickness. Kakashi didn't grow that much check the data reports.
Now as for pain. Once again kakashi had back up for 2 parts of nagatos power while he was looking for Intel and still got crushed needing Naruto to handle it while once again nagato beat a stronger Naruto and bee in the same timeframe.
Kakashi and guy would need to literally burn themselves out at the start to have a chance and if not get crushed instantly unless you can convince me kakashi is so somehow stronger to handle Ms on himself or izanagi and izanami type powers plus rinnegan.
@@ivanbluecool 1 thing is guy and Kakashi has better coordination....they already have info about each other (nagato and Itachi) .... Kakashi in this whole fight is just to seal ....the whole fight will be guys ..... And don't know what you know but brother Itachi nor nagatoo has any reaction speed or movement speed feat comparable to 8th gate guy ....they gets decimated before they can react ....at one point even jubidara was shocked that guy was literally bending space ....even claiming they can move before guy is a wild glazing .... There isn't any competition of jutsu's if they can't outmatch someone in speed .... And don't give kcm Naruto fight thing that is already debunked many times
Nice vid.
@@ADM.II. appreciate it bro!
You guys forgot about Kotoamatsukami
@@DygoKnight oh my stars.. what will we do 😱😱😱
It wouldn't activate anyways.
Crow is sealed in Naruto, Naruto is not in this scenario -> Itachi doesn't have access to Koto
@ exactly! Which is why didn’t bring it up
@@TheLightningBladeI like your videos but can u focus on other animes like solo leveling
Itachi solos this tbh nagato can just support banso tenen them into totsaka blade etc
You guys are drunk, I didn't watched the full video but I hope you guys have rewatched entire Naruto and Shpdn at least once
10:03 broooo! I didn’t even think of that either! Both Kakashi and Itachi intelligence playing off of each other would go crazy!!
@@johnmilo7629 right?!
Itachi will burn them alive before guy even thinks of opening any gate
Wanker 😂
I promise you in the second scenario, guy uses the 8th gate and kikashi goes blind. When you think about it, it took the nine tails rampaging to beat pain. Love kikashi and guy is strong but be fr lol
Unless Guy pops the 8'th gate, Itachi and Nagato would own them bad.
You mentioned that Nagato cant move by himself, but he literally Shinra Tensei'd Bee like hundreds of meters away and appeared behind him as he was still flying(that was before even absorbing Bee's chakra). I'd say Nagato was pretty mobile for a cripple
EDO versions have regeneration and infinite chakra. There's no way Kakashi and Guy can win. 8th gate is their only hope and the edos would just regenerate after their beating is over.
Kamui counts as a battle field removal win. Not saying it would work but they don’t need to kill them to win is my point
Itachi and Kakashi I think are close enough intelligence wise, with Itachi being higher, but even then Kakashi still tricked Itachi a few times.
They’re the TITANS of intelligence for the series!
@@TheLightningBlade the tobirama disrespect once again
@@DJP-762
Tobirama is special Ed compared to them
Stop it
@ajayimoses2495 you must be the most braindead human alive huh XD
Yeah while I give itachi the slight edge intelligence wise, there’s not a big difference between the two
Guys 8 gates is talked about like if he can just spam it casually, Like hes gonna fucking die! Lol people forget or sum
Good video guys 🔥
Thanks for watching bro 😎💪🏻
What can 8 gate do to edos? Guy has no way to seal them. They just going to keep coming back and guy is just going to die and thats assuming itachi dont just genjutsu them immediately.
Yup facts! EDO versions have regeneration and infinite chakra.
Neither of them could withstand an assault from 8 gates guy, he completely stagnants them with any of his techniques while Kakashi snipes both of them with kamui while they can't move
@nicholasoddey8356 Their bodies would just keep turning into paper tho if guy keeps hitting them and that's assuming they let guy get to the 8th gate since Madara let me do it. Also even if Kakashi send them to the kamui dimension than what? The moment Kakashi uses kamui after that Itachi being smart would know what to do it gets out or would just attack Kakashi if Kakashi goes into the dimension. Sending them to the kamui dimension just seem like you are prolonging the problem.
@tythegreatttg i think it's fair to assume guy can activate the 8 gates since it's not like guy needs time to activate it he can simply peirce his heart. Kakashi can also use a sealing jutsu once they can't move. In the context of this fight prolonging would be beneficial to guy and Kakashi bc that gives then time to recover and have naruto or killer assist them with sealing negato and itachi
@@tythegreatttg kakashi isn't obito he never goes to the dimensions and itachi and nagato have no wya to track where kakashi would be in relation to the kamui dimension even if he did, there isn't a way out or down side to sending them their.
Edu Tensie Itachi and Nagato is too strong because they already exceeded their limit they will not run out of chakra and stamina they are also immortal while Kakashi and Gai would feel the side effect of their jutsu and it is a suicide for them to go all out I will give the win for these 2 edu tensies even if Kakashi kamui Itachi then Itachi scatter into crows and easily dodge it.Then Nagato can throw many giant rocks to Kakashi to obtruct that Kamui. Gai will get exhausted after fighting Nagato multiheaded hounds .
Guys i thought of a thing that poeple don't speak about in a nagato vs obito(orange mask).
Poeple says that obito win only because of kamui , nagato has a more powerfull strengh but "he can't touch obito".
But if obito suck one of the pain(or nagato himself), it's a game over for him, we saw a pain stil moving even when they are in a differents space in the fight with giraya, so if obito take even one pain in his space, he is dead because he can't phase like he want( ex: 4 war , naruto, kakashi), plus pain is a one man army with multiple vision...
If a pain can still move in kamui, obito orange mask can't win
For the amaturasu point. Kakashi should have better reaction time than itachi and he also should be able to perform a mud wall or water wall.
@@senjuuzima891 true true. But given how proficient Itachi is with Amaterasu I feel like Kamui might be the quickest and safest bet.
hahahaha creator forgot itachi tanked kirin , itachi tagged obito with amaterasu. where was kamui then? People talking like. kakashi could. hit a target with kamui then y didnt he kill any jinchuriki ,base madara ,ten tails. jubito ,you couldnt hit someone. atitachis speed and yata would definitely. reflect that shit back both of them would have to fight with their eyes closed
I don’t think people understand that point blank headshot that could have been City level + buster ( he’s all together now everything gets a massive boost in power)
Yes,strategic planning would've been amazing 👏🏽
itachi can cover his entire susanoo in the yata mirror too.
People always talking about hitting the yata mirror from the side as if it can't just turn. The dude has a sharingen and a genius. You think itachi didn't think of that if negi could???
Itachi and nagato being edo means they need to be sealed. So even if kakashi and guy hit them with a deadly shot they need to seal them before the regenerate. If they only hit one of the two the other can get in the way so he gets time to regenerate
Nagato can just pull them both into totsuka blade. Gg
Least creative idea
Please stop the master class glaze guy and kakashi are losing this ez😭😭😭 ya so outta pocket for this take😂😂
Appreciate it dawg 😂💪🏻
Brother guy is relative to kcm Naruto in speed in base as clearly shown against obito. If he uses the 8th gate, it’s a minimum x100 speed amp. Itachi and nagato are also relative in speed to kcm Naruto. Nobody can react to anything 100 times their speed it’s not possible lol. If guy goes 8th gate he blitzes them bad, dies, but kakashi just watching would survive and secure the w
Yeah itachi and nagato stomp untill you get 8th gate gai and dms kakashi then it’s a stomp in their favour
Itachi and nagato were both massively superior to both kcm Naruto & killer bee who are arguably superior to both gai & kakashi by a decent margin
Nagato blitzed both of them and had them both dead to rights within 30 seconds & itachi managed to literally blitz him straight after… twice lol and systematically took him apart in about 3 pages… so nagato & itachi are both individually far faster, and superior combatants…
gai might be able to keep up with 7th gate but that’s it and one hirudora and he is out of the fight which itachi absolutely can block with yata mirror, gai also has zero defence against itachi’s Genjutsu and Tsukyomi one shots both same with totsuka blade which absolutely can hit them as I said itachi blitzed nagato someone blitz tiers above kcm Naruto & killer bee….
Overall either itachi or nagato could likely solo, itachi is faster, smarter WAY more haxed with many one shot options and nagato is also faster, again way more haxed and his firepower is a LOT more powerful
Scenario 1 = 8/10
Scenario 2 = 10/10
Scenario 3 =-100/10 lol they aren’t touching 8th gate gai especially with dms kakashi
Bro,MS Itachi, Kcm Naruto, and Killer B weren't able to stop emaciated Nagato from going invisible and then ST blitzing them! He still has pretty speed feats(feet👀)
There’s no 8th gate … he dies. And if it’s edo there’s Regen.
Nagato uses summoning jutsu off riff and GG, kakashi and guy Don’t have the stamina to counter it
If guy goes 8 gates he’s just blitzing them both while kakashi stands backs. Base guy is relative to kcm Naruto in the war in terms of speed. 8 gates guys is minimum 100x faster. Nagato and itachi get blitzed badly
I’m sorry my boi itachi and nagato are dog walking guy and kakashi 😂😂 guy is the best man in the duo.
bro nerfs them for guy and kakashi to have a chance the glaze was crazy😂
Edit: sick itachi put kakashi in a pack edo itachi was going band for band with new kcm Naruto that’s a feat guy is strong wit even the 8gates but really? The 7paths in one immortal body🤨🤨 we gotta be some kinda slow to not see outcomes in it
Ya glazed kakashi and he nice but he would get packed first and then guy will get the jjk treatment 😭😭😭
Thank you for the support bro 😎💪🏻
Oooh I was right!! Thanks god! Love more Kakashi videos!!
@@johnmilo7629 😂😎💪🏻💪🏻
not even close itachi and pain dogwalk them especially Edo tensei, Nagato was about to end the show if it werent for itachi
Here’s how it actually goes.
Early War Arc - All somewhat in the same speed class, with Kamui and totsuka blade being the fastes techniques in either duos arsenal. They can somewhat handle rinnegan techniques due to knowledge but that becomes a lot harder with Itachi running inteference. Kakashi and Guy can’t afford to worry about each other as they’ll have to be 100% focused on their current opposition.
The Edo Duo takes this High diff
Late War arc - Kakashi cooks either or both of them with Kamui. Especially with Guy there to pummel them to set up an easy snipe. 7th gate Guy (Late War Arc) was pushing back Juubi Madara, impressing Minato and Gaara especially. Kakashi (Late War Arc) has relative combat speed to KCM Minato and his Raikiri outsped KCM 2 Naruto when he zipped past him to charge towards Obito. His Kamui fast enough tag anything they got and Guy can practically one shot any summoning. The Leaf Duo take this low/mid dif
Eight Gate Guy (for some reason) and Kakashi vs Edo Duo - just a worse version of round 2. Guy just solos and pummels them to paper where Kakashi can seal/Kamui them. No/Low Diff
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@@talesthesalesman3106 thank you bro!! 💯💯💯
Ep 4:- DMS KAKASHI vs EDO MADARA
DMS Kakashi is too for that madara.Only sixpaths madara with 3 eyes can beat him.
@om9959 but this would be interesting to see fight two monstar against each other...
@@sohomporey7846edo madara is baby in front of six path character such as dms kakashi
@ohhellwhereami2574 yeah that's true.. but I want to watch how to fight go
@@sohomporey7846 edo madara only win con is stall out the battle with raindrop
I love the character but Itachi is definitely the most gassed overrated and glazed characters in anime at least for the last 20 years. Minato is a close 2nd. These comments are RIDICULOUS!!
Well when you have 2 of the top 3 most popular characters (generally speaking) it’s definitely gonna be a recipe for heated comments 😅😅
@@TheLightningBlade truth but I don’t even think Kushina and Izumi glazed them the way fans do lol
Let's see ....we are taking them at their max potential:-
1)Might guy :- can open 8th gates and use several techniques that are deadly even for jubidara ...such as night dai
2)Kakashi :- the copy ninja with a thousand jutsu in bag and dms is like invincible
3)Itachi :- his max potential should be at age 13 when he massacred the uchiha clan .... And used his ms 5 times ... that's the highest record for him though I think he didn't unlock his susanoo yet
4)Nagato :- The man who is a god and the power beyond imagination with rinnegan.... No more statesman are needed
FIGHT =>WIN CONS FOR BOTH TEAMS
1)team guy and Kakashi:- guy with 8th gate is the most destructive man alive without any alien powers .....his 8 gate is faster than both Itachi and nagato could react ....he can bend space ....his attack are fatal enough to mortally injure jubidara so none of their durability gonna work ...if Itachi faces guy he dies and if nagato faces guy 99% chance he also dies and 1% chance if he manages to pull out guy's soul somehow god knows how
Now the copy ninja Kakashi hatake..... With dms Kakashi is literally invincible..... Nagato or Itachi can't even touch that man where Kakashi can literally rip their heads off from a far distance ....And Kakashi ain't falling for tsukuyomi again as we saw in gara retrieval arc .... I don't think much explanation is needed
2)Team nagato and Itachi :-
For Itachi his amaterasu or tsukuyomi or anything is useless against 8th gate guy ....he would die before he realise or do anything.... He can't match speed he can't match endurance....his susanoo isn't fast enough to seal guy nor is it strong enough to defend....if you are a Itachi fan just for that I can give 1 win condition and that's if Itachi manages to put guy in tsukuyomi which is highly unlikely coz we already saw how he found his own way to fight without looking in opponents eyes and kakshi ain't falling for tsukuyomi anymore
For nagato shinra tensai ... summoning..... Revival ... And all is useless against guy bcoz of same reason I mentioned his attacks aren't faster than guy nor are those any usefull against attacks of night duy ... The only win cons I can give is chakra absorption and soul extract....how ever he can't touch Kakashi nor he is fast enough to catch guy to extract souls .... But he can definately suck out chakra against Kakashi atleast
I haven't included chakra ill itachi or paralised nagato etc otherwise Kakashi with dms solos both of them no need for guy to open 8th gate
Note:- unless you are an uchiha bias like the youtuber you can understand
Itachi didn't peak at age 13 that's blatantly false, itachi even as sick was above his peak 13 yr old self
@ohhellwhereami2574 if you take adult Itachi ....he is sick ... can't fight long battle and can only use ms abilities 3 times a day at max and also 90% blind .... He can't even move properly.... His susanoo being useless as it's incomplete anyone using earth style can go below Itachi's feat and attack him .... Also he can't maintain susanoo for too long ... Amaterasu can be blocked or dodged via speed and earth style or water style .... tsukuyomi already useless Against kakashi and guy coz guy is not going to look in his eyes anyways as we know and Kakashi also ain't falling for tsukuyomi again as we saw in gaara retrieval ... I gave Itachi 13 yo version coz I thought that had more advantage for him except experience
@AbHi12DaS aside from longevity, itachi adult stomps he casually killed a stronger version of Orochimaru while dying also survive kirin , he also has statement of having the highest order of prowess surpassing any prior feat, for reference ms sasuke
Well.. I mean.. I didn’t use DMS..😅
@@TheLightningBlade noticed that later lol sorry
I think y’all are underestimating Guy and Kakashi. Guy and Kakashi together were equally going to perception blizt Rinnegan Obito if not for Kamui. The same Obito that was easily about to blitz KCM1 Naruto and he later on blizt KCM2 Naruto. They are both equally faster than both Itachi and Nagato.
So Kakashi not being able to react to amaterasu and needing Kamui is a❌. Kakashi is easily reacting to that.
If Guy decides to use Hirdora and Itachi goes to block it with Yata mirror, his Susanno would be standing still, giving Kakashi enough time to go behind the Susanno and Kamui it from the back. They probably would get hit from the damage leftover from Hirdora and Kakashi can then Kamui snipe one of them. And they can finish the next one together.
That’s them if Nagato is still old and not at full power. They win at least 8/10
If Nagato is at full power, I don’t see how they would counter Planetary Devastation together, and that’s something Nagato can probably spam due to having infinite chakra as an edo. So Kakashi and Guy most likely lose if they don’t allow him to pull that off.
they have no chance before war arc XD NO CHANCE itachi and Nagato would do WORK like again guy gonna have to try n carry BAD nagata would be snatching souls
Guy still has chakra even if he is physically hitting you, guy is still using chakra which would just be absorbed.
Their best bet is if guy goes 7th gate and obliterates the battlefield off rip but kakashi doesn’t have any AOE defense on that level
Nagato has his summons and shinra tensei
Itachi has sussano
So no brute force taijutsu under eight gates will work
It’d be an interesting fight on screen but not one I see kakashi and guy lasting long in
In my opinion Itachi is one of the most Unique, Authentic and Influential characters from the series. The thing that people underestimate about Itachi fights/encounters, isn't just his power, (it's mainly writters or Kishimoto's fault for making Itachi seem or to look very powerful throughout the series) but how smart and intelligent he is during various situations, he never, ever underestimates his opponents because of his composure and his way of being, the level of thinking he's on honestly dwars most people in the series, with only people like Minato and Shikaku comparable with him. More precisly, Itachi isn't just any ordinary Shinobi also, he pretty much knows and he's also aware that all strong opponents have weaknesses (including himself), and he specializes in finding those "weaknesses" and exploiting them ("*Even the strongest of opponents always has a weakness*" - Uchiha Itachi) because he's that type of character who can exceed almost any expectations. Itachi is very unique and authentic, especially in the factor of facing various encounters approach, his unpredictability in his way of fighting style approach it's his key factor in all of his encounters. Being blind or nearly blind has never slowed him down (especially when he's pretty much serious, but that's the point, he has never go all out against anyone during the series.) Itachi it's that type of character who can exceed almost any expectations. (at least that's what we were shown in the anime by the creator Masashi Kishimoto). Moral of the story, never underestimate Itachi. He did more sick than most healthy ninjas do in their entire life. In my opinion No One should underestimate such an unpredictable Shinobi like Itachi, even Madara (I won't say that Itachi can beat him, but at least he will be pretty much able to put a decent fight that Madara will also be impressed in my opinion). Also how can some of you guys even consider that Totsuka Blade it's slow when no such speed feat has been shown through the Shippuden that state it that it is slow? All of you are assuming it to be slow it may not be the case... Its not that the sword is unavoidable but it clearly has a very long range and is a very long blade. If you look at the manga, Naruto, Bee and Itachi are all relatively small from Nagato's point of view, and you can see the Totsuka Blade extending all the way from Itachi, piercing through Nagato, and still managing to nearly pop out toward the reader out of the page. I would say its fast because Kabuto coudldn't even react to it, and its not like Nagato was completely immobile to the point that he couldn't sidestep the blade. Also, Kabuto controlling people from far away is never stated to inhibit the Edos' reaction speed in any way. Being controlled by someone thousands of miles away didn't stop the Third Raikage from dodging KCM Naruto's Rasenshuriken. And as for Orochimaru, the sword struck him in between syllables of a word during his speech. I think that that is pretty fast. Pair the Totuska Blade with a good feint and its lethal because its ethereal, meaning it can pierce through any object. If the sword didn't live up to its reputation then Orochimaru wouldn't seek it out. People need to stop downplaying Itachi and denying the very clear speed feats of Totsuka. There is no room for interpretations here. The advantage of being an Uchiha, especially for Itachi and Madara, is that during an encounter against them, they always have a counter because of their unpredictable way of fighting factor, they don't run out of options or techniques, they almost always have a counter in their arsenal, even forbidden jutsus seems irrellevant against them, only a few Uchihas know a certain way to approach the situation with a certain and effective technique, that's why is hard/difficult to fight against them in my opinion. ☯️ 🤷🏻♂️ Here are the things that make Itachi so formidable. Tsukuyomi - A genjutsu so powerful that you literally can't escape it unless you have the same blood as Itachi, as stated by Itachi himself and proven later by Sasuke, or you're a jinchuriki. Jinchuriki are supposed to be immune to genjutsu but it hasn't been proven, but when Bee was fighting Edo Nagato and Itachi with Naruto, he said to watch out for Tsukuyomi explicitly. Literally 99% of all opponents fighting Itachi have no way of stopping Tsukuyomi. You could have the power to split the planet in half and it wouldn't matter. (Want to know why? - Kakashi pretty much state it in the actual anime and manga that Tsukuyomi it's such a dangerous Genjutsu Technique because it happen in a instant, even if you realize that you are trapped in the Tsukuyomi, it will be too late, because Itachi could approach you during that time in the real world (or he can use an Explosive Clone to approach you without you even realizing it in time and he can pretty much finish you before you can even realize, - 72 hours in Tsukuyomi realm means 1 second or a couple of seconds in the real world. Tsukuyomi can't be broken, when used to it's fullest.) The Sword of Totsuka and Yata Mirror - The Susanoo itself is a near invincible defense but these two weapons take it to the next step. The Sword of Totsuka can seal "anything" if it even touches it. It's completely OP. It's hard to fight a guy that can seal you away if his sword even touches you. The Yata Mirror is even a bigger deal in my opinion. It doesn't block attacks, it's "negates" them. You could throw an Amaterasu covered Bijuu bomb at Itachi and the Yata mirror will negate it, making it so the Susanoo doesn't even need to take a blow. You could punch the Yata mirror and the force will completely be negated. His biggest strength of all: tactical intelligence - Itachi always outsmarts and plans for everything because the plot demands it. You're physically strong? Itachi is already 2 steps ahead of you knowing exactly what to do. You're extremely fast? Again, 2 steps. You're going to try and outlast Itachi in a fight? Good luck. To add to this, some of the 3 most powerful techniques in the verse are due to his intelligence and planning ability; Izanami, Izanagi, and Kotoamatsukami. Izanami - A forbbiden genjutsu technique that allows you to alter someone's destiny. Impossible to break out of even if you know you're in a genjutsu without complying with the users set destiny for you. Even someone like Bee, a perfect Jinchuriki, can't escape Izanami unless he does what Itachi wants him to. Izanagi - You somehow gained an advantage over Itachi? He makes it so that advantage never happened. Kotoamatsukami - Though Shisui's technique, Itachi has his eye which effectively makes it his weapon. A genjutsu so powerful that the person it's cast on doesn't even know they're under a genjutsu. Like the Tsukuyomi, completely OP. To add to all of this, Itachi is pretty good at hand to hand combat, is great with shuriken, is extremely fast, is great with regular fire techniques, is slippery and unpredictable, and has the extremely dangerous and fast Genjutsu style of fighting approach that can caught you off guard almost at any time. With all of these things considered you've got one dangerous ninja. Lastly but not least Kishimoto made sure that Itachi was seen as someone special and he did an incredible job in establishing that in the story. When Itachi Uchiha awakened his Susano'o, he was seen wielding legendary weapons of the Totsuka Blade and the Yata Mirror. The former allowed Itachi to seal anyone he pierced in a world of genjutsu forever, while the latter gave him the ability to deflect any and all attacks thrown towards him, regardless of whether they were physical or spiritual in nature. According to Zetsu (who was around since the period of Kaguya time era until the present of Naruto) he state it in the anime and also in the manga that these weapons, when combined with his Susano'o, made Itachi Invincible. This is why Kishimoto basically had to give him a handicap: Naruto AIDS. 🤷🏻♂️ ☯️
Why would we want him to be invincible? He’s the main antagonists brother. I think he’s been written way too strong to begin with. Should have let itachi have the sealing sword 🗡️ and sasuke get the shield🛡️.
Lets be right Pain beats obito
what do you edit your videos with
Video idea do a top ten senseis ranking, base it on how well they thought there students, what values they instilled in them how “Strong their students/ student became” how much impact did their students have in the world. Id say hiruzen is number 1 orochimaru is close second ironically enough 😅
I would love to debate kakashi vs itachi
only dms wins. is kamui bypassing it?
Kakashi lost 😂😂😂 wtf is wrong with this community
@@ITACHITHEGOAT-gg4ky no i dont think he can kamui the yatamirror.. now way to know for sure other than statements.. ppl try to claim the truth seeking orbs are like the yata mirror but they arent they yata mirror is an astral weapon. It has no mass, and tou cant create a yata mirror.. but anyone who can use all 5 chakra natures can make a truth seeking orb if you know how
Five kages versus scenario 2 could be interesting.
Itachi can take guy and kakashi alone with no difficulty
Alive Itachi gets killed by guy
@quarvy8508 sit down fool
@quarvy8508 get bent
People are delusional thinking that if juubidara was getting speed blitzed, that nagato and itachi would fair any better, when juubidara is much faster than them lol
Madara was not getting blitzzed, Guy was getting hits in, sure, also mostly with the help of Minato and the rest. Minato was so fast that he moved in front of Madara's black balls, allowed them to get like right next to him and then port with them. That was in the middle of the fight. Madara is the type of guy that actually toys with its food. Madara is the type of guy to allow people to hit him. He allowed Sasuke to pierce his arm with a Katana to stop the fight and chat with him.
8 gates its good, not that good.
Nobody is arguing they can beat 8th gate.. thats excluded from the conversation
@@jackschwanke603 there’s plenty of people in the comments that think they could outlast it bro, just scroll
@@xxan84 what your saying ab madara is true, but you’re completely ignoring context. Go re read or re watch the fight. Madara was constantly in a state of concern and even monologued about how it was important he doesn’t get hit by guy. He could only react with his orbs, but physical speed wise he was getting blitzed he was not toying around 100%. Like I said just go look at the fight again, he was actively trying his best to avoid getting hit by guy
@@drhashtagyolo Madara blocked attacks against 8 gate Guy with his staff. After Madara blocked the first hit and ended up in a huge hole, he decided NOT to block shit since its a bad idea (read panels, chapter 669). Guy had insane power at that point, Madar, who CAN react with his body, decided its damn dangerous to do so, moved to other tactics, using the black sphers as defence, you can't fault Madara for having a working brain. Again, Minato also could react to full on speed Guy.
Guy also would've had no way to get to Madara insane his black spheres BUT the team opened the way for him.
After the team opened Madara's defences and Guy hit him, Madara is showed insanely happy and saying how exited he is, he was loving it.
Guy noticed that its all meaningless and even if he smacks Madara around it does nothing, he decided to use his ultimate move on Madara.
Even at night guy and you see Madara moving his staff in front to protect himself (he can react) but Guy's move is so OP that he is literally bending space.
After Madara almost dies to said attack, he is LAUGHTING!
I think you should go back and read the fight yourself. Madara can see Guy's move (rinnegan) and Madara can react with his body to Guy, its just very, very dangerous and not really effective since Guy's taijutsu is insane strong, and so Madara uses abilities for defence.
8th gate still loses.
They can hide in invisible summons. Or Shinra tensei Kakashi and wait out 8 gates. Or bansho tenin him and hold him hostage. Or wrap Yata Mirror around themselves. Or just use any doujutsu really, since he has no durability and edos can still use attacks even while regenerating.
Give them the 7 edo jins and they beat KCM2 Naruto and team. They do better than WM Obito regardless since they don't have his weakness.
Might Guy is only wildcard (8gates) (sacrifice) ? hax & battle strategy reveal Nagato & Itachi heavy favourites, 9/10,
It's definitely a tough matchup!
Itachi and Nagato win unless it’s DMS Kakashi and 8 Gate Guy. Neither guy or Kakashi are on Itachi and Nagato level UNTIL this point where they vastly surpass Itachi and Nagato, however, this is a temporary power for Kakashi and a suicide tactic for Guy and with them being Edo could screw Guy over.
are you considering speed of lightning instant?
Itachi didn’t use the yata mirror against kirin and you know this because nothing rebounded
Nagatk Molly whopped Hanzo who molly whopped the sanin but you think kakashi and guy can fight
I agree they have outs but they have to give up their lives
Can we talk about how neither goku nor DMS kakashi have any chance against limbo soul steal please?
Thanks 😊
I agree with dygo edge to do however what do you guys think of alive itachi and negative vs kakashi and guy
i think the timer on guys gates is the only reason that pains team wins
ScenArio. Get it right
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Persona mentioned!!
Do they not know itachi susano shield is omnidirectional so you can't just hit the side
Guy and kakashi vs lee and naruto
If we take at their max potential.... Maybe guy and Kakashi ....Naruto might beat both of them but I guess lee would just be a huge drawback for Naruto to carry through fight ... otherwise Naruto wins against Kakashi even dms but guy is like 70% chance i would say
@@AbHi12DaS lee 5th gate sliced madara in half like a blitz, in 5th gate he also perception blitz the gaara and kakashi trying to come up witha plan to save guy, 6th gate Lee was considered a plentiful help to him since armless couldn't throw kunai over guy before he clashes against juubi madara , 8th gate guy was also using special move which amps up speed as it goes on so thats even more impressive
Lee was more impressive than give him credit for, boruto Lee do have access to 8th gate as well
@ohhellwhereami2574 oh then yeah lee is good
Kakashi also kamui’d the 8 tails
Both in and out which both on their own counts as individual Kamui shots. Even though it took everything out of him it’s still impressive. (All be it it was due to Kurama givin him some chakra)
@ couldn’t remember if that was before or after he got chakra . Also idk if that’s because he was healed and restored by Kurama or specifically because of Kurama’s chakra. Either way I think he can snipe both Amaterasu and Chibaku sensai
@ I don’t think it super amounts of Kurama’s chakra because he didn’t have the Kurama cloak on at the time so it might have been half his half Kurama
@@TheLightningBladeUnlike Naruto , kurama can give chakra without forming a Chakra cloak
@@jason15212the thing about using kamui on chibaku tensei is, the larger the object, the longer it takes to warp said object because…well it’s bigger. Amidst the chaos Itachi will likely capitalize on the fact that Kakashi and Gai won’t have their bearings due to the gravitational pull with say amaterasu for example. Gai won’t be in the position to defend Kakashi either, they’ll both be equally as vulnerable.
If we are talking about late war kakashi and guy then it's a stomp but if it's early itachi and nagato win pretty much 9/10 times
Even late war kakashi and guy get bullied. They aren't doing anything to nagato and Itachi.🤣
Nagato and itachi get blitzed bro what are u talkig about
@@whosdadocta844 read about the yata mirror and totsuka blade
Read about kamui
5 kage and edo 4 kage
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Minato, Nagato, Itachi & Obito
4 v 8
Very very interesting but it will finish with Itachi and Kakashi, because Kakashi will kamui Nagato and Itachi will seal Guy with the Tetsuga blade after Guy break his Susano, people always forget that Itachi Susanoo possess a reflection ability with the yata shield 🛡️... Amaterasu is useless against Guy because of Hiudora or Sekizo...Kakashi and Guy win only in this option, because in the final the space manipulation is above Itachi abilities, he can easily kamui Itachi in a close combat, if they are stuck in one position...After that if Guy focus first on Nagato they will loose because Nagato is also dangerous with human path, he will take Guy soul for sure... After this Nagato and Itachi win all the other options because Kamui isn't fast enough to catch Nagato and Itachi without a solid plan to bring them in a corner position....If it was Kakashi DMS and Guy 7 gates the chances of winning would have been more accurate for winning because we know all the possibilities Kakashi DMS can bring on the table to create opening for himself and Guy.
So Kakashi and Guy are gonna do better than KCM Naruto and Bee, when they had all that help too?
Well in this case it’ll be less likely that Nagato gets to full power since he can’t absorb Guys Gates. So when it comes to the first scenario yes they will. Kakashi’s is also very careful so the likelihood of him getting into a position where Nagato is gonna absorb a ninjutsu attack is low. Second scenario is wayyyyy different… as we said in the video
@@TheLightningBladewhat a dumb argument. Can’t itachi just feed nagato chakra based atks???
@ appreciate the support 😎 💪🏻
@@TheLightningBlade nice talk.
@@Relaxish for sure 😎💪🏻
Itachi and nagato no diff
dygo when u dont include dms kakashi dont f ing say that its cause obito isnt there.bro its a hypothetical situation.
Wait a second. The edos have infinite Chakra, right? So why did edo nagato have to absorb chakra in order to be able to walk?
Maybe edo Chakra doesn't have life force imbued in it. While normal Chakra does. That's just a guess though and I have absolutely no evidence to back this up.
Man,how about Nagato just healing himself from the beginning, using the 6paths .
They have infinite refilling chakra, they have the same base chakra they had when they were alive but if they run out of that chakra they don't die since they're edos, the chakra just refills itself overtime, that's why they have infinite chakra.
They have infinite chakra regeneration but their chakra pool remains the same, lets say at the cost of burning up all your chakra you are able to use 20 amaterasu in life, in edo, it would still be 20 amaterasu but the twist is that you will be able to do 20 amaterasu infinite times, you still wouldn't be able to do 21 because your chakra pool [edo or not] is limited to 20, i think when nagato absorbed bee's chakra, that was him regenerating his chakra pool and not his base chakra
Still haven´t seen the video but I will give my take real quick, Kakashi, Guy (restricting 8th gate) and Itachi are around the same level, with Nagato being a bit above, however knoledge favors Kakashi and Guy and Kamui is a very efficient way of dealing with Chibaku Tensei. I tend to favor Itachi and Nagato for sure but it would definatly due to overall superior firepower but it would be a great battle for sure!
@@joaobrito2874 indeed it would be a great fight! And a crazy one lol
There’s an argument kakashi could snipe itachi and nagato tbh. Against obito when his kamui failed it was either because of obito countering it, or him using it on something very large like the mazou. He was able to pinpoint snipe a probably full speed kcm Naruto’s rasengan. Itachi and nagato are not shown any faster than kcm Naruto, they don’t have a kamui counter the way obito does, and they aren’t huge like the gedo statue. Ofc they will try to avoid it, but it’s actually a pretty realistic win con for team kakashi
Kakashi has limited uses and Itachi can use clones. I would say kakashi has lower chances of Kamui Itachi as Itachi has chances of Amaterasu Kakashi. Nagato just uses Rinnegan to cancel it. He can absorb the Jutsu or shinra tensei it away.
No idea how efficient Nagato would be if he is not controlled by Kabuto or he does not want to win himself, I mean he was sitting in Amaterasu when he did not need to do so.
@@xxan84nagato cannot absorb or push away space bending 😭
@@xxan84 I’m just saying it’s a pretty good win con, I’m not saying he’d for sure pull it off, just that it’s not unrealistic
@@xxan84 I mean kakashi can also use clones, and the amatersu can be kamuid away, as we’ve literally seen this happen. So I don’t think itachi has any better chances landing Amaterasu on kakashi than kakashi does landing kamui on him. And like I said nagato is never shown being able to repel or absorb the bending of space, that’s your own head canon you made up
@@drhashtagyolo I don't think Nagato can push away space but the guy doing the space bending? Aka Guy? He could very well effect him with shinra tensei, to what extent no idea but 8 gate guy is taking down Nagato for sure, problem is, he also dies after. 8 gate guy would kill both Itachi and Nagato by himself judging by what he did to Madara. Its only a question if he activates 8 gate before he gets hit by Amaterasu or not.
You can't Kamui Amaterasu away after its already on you. You are burning in insane heat. If Kakashi get's hit by Amaterasu, he is dead.
Ima use this scaling
what if itachi just turned in circles real fast with his susano out TROLLING CLEARLY HERE BTW... kakashi war arc and guy just has overwhelming strength only thing itachi and obito can do is use there hax and itachis iq idk how they win but they can 50/50 IMO simply because the creators clearly wanted itachi to be the smartest and strongest
Itachi won’t know about asakujaku
He used it on Kisame didn’t he?
@ good point maybe kisame told em lol
kakashi is not near itachi im sorry he isnt OK maybe a little but that fight against the 2 pain bodys was impresive but itachi would easy clown them without hax itachi just dosent flex his iq because they just nerf him every fight hes in by using hax
Exactly, itachi would absolutely beat kakashi, he is blitz tiers faster, better battle IQ and Tsukyomi still one shots
Not war arc Kakashi, dude was moving at the same speed as KCM Minato at some points
@@jiero3253kcm minato was tired during that event he is at best equal to minato edo with 3t
@ohhellwhereami2574 bro what? An Edo tired? My guy that has to be the funniest thing I've ever heard. Edo's have infinite stamina and by that point as the data book states Minato had gotten out of the funk he was in early in the juubito fight😂
@jiero3253 pretty bad take, minato literally had his cloak kcm2 ripped passing on naruto during the juubito fight minato also had no chakra left as he said to Tobirama as naruto was being strangled by God tree roots , he can't be at his peak during the encounter
Can shinra tensei counter evening elephant?
Hmm, might depend on how strong the Shinra Tensei is
It wouldn’t matter, if juubidara could barley react with his truth seeking orbs, nagato is not going to be able to properly time a shinra tensei against it
Also kakashi and guy aren’t reacting to Amaterasu in base
Why do they have to be in base if Itachi has ms?
Sixth gate guy doesnt stand a chance. Itachi and guy are ti powerful
Msybe not i forgot nagato was crippled
8th gate wipes of course
No chance sorry 😂 only arc kakashi and Guy…. maybe ninja war arc but at extreme difficulty When Nagato an Itachi hit the frame that was a major moment for power level scaling 😂
I disagree that it would be a extreme diff but maybe a mid diff at max if I am being a uchiha biased.... Nagato and itachi aren't even fast enough or durable enough to react and defend against 8th gate guy and for dms Kakashi it's a easy to no diff at max .... They can't touch Kakashi evn if they have the Intel about weakness of kamui what will they do if kakshi go in kamui to rifill chakra in middle of fight then pops up again and do a surprise attack .... Only win cons for Itachi is tsukuyomi but it's useless here coz Kakashi and guy both ain't falling in that .... Guy developed a special way to deal that and kakshi not falling for that as we saw in gaara retrieval... For nagato only chakra absorption and soul absorption is usefull in this case
If we are taking both Kakashi and guy at their base form vs iatchi and nagato at their max then ofc they wins 😂
@@AbHi12DaSwe’re not talking about ems kakashi obviously he would stomp, we’re talking about war arc and at this point in time itachi and nagato stomp
I think people tend to oversell Nagato and Itachi in terms of power and intelligence, Guy and Kakashi learned from past encounters and have grown stronger because they learned from previous fights, Itachi and Nagato (correct me if I'm wrong here) didn't learn anything since they died, I'd say it's high diff but Kakashi and Guy have it because they progressed a lot and because they have knowledge on them both that is relatively up to date
It be a crazy fight for sure!
and intelligence... XD yes the physical power maybe but itachi without a doubt can be considered the best BATTLE IQ ini the show maybe tobirama above em but
Maybe but some factors to consider is that Kakashi has only ever battled the paths on an individual basis, he didn’t have to deal with them like Jiraiya for example and even now that we’re talking about Nagato he’s never fought one body with all of the abilities. Gai may have confronted Itachi and supposedly knows how to combat the sharingan but there’s two important things to consider. Gai developed that strategy (or more than likely) to use against Kakashi as a means of getting a one up in their rivalry, not only have we not seen him use it before but even if he was a master at it Itachi is a completely different fighter with an entirely different approach to battle, not to mention Itachi has his own haxs but that’s besides the point. It’s like sparring against only orthodox boxers and losing because during an actual fight your opponent was a southpaw and you had no experience with them. Y’know?
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The moment you said dyoknight I stopped watching like ugh
@@jaioncebollero1168 oh well 🤷🏻♂️ thanks for watching at least a couple seconds 😂
I get your point trust me but I carried on watching every anituber has weird takes but they are opinions and shouldn't be taken too seriously
Why? I think both of their takes are actually pretty 🔥
@ he makes the most insane claims ever. He’s a bad Naruto tuber imo. It’s been years since I’ve seen him but he’s said the most random and untrue things I’ve heard anyone say about the series
@@jaioncebollero1168 I mean yall can say what you want but Dygo’s got like almost 180K subscribers.. must be doing something right 🤷🏻♂️😂