The reduced FOV seems (to me) a fair price to pay for the image stabilisation. That said, I don't understand why Drift can't achieve something even close to GoPro picture quality; image stabilisation aside, the contrast isn't quite right. I don't now whether that's user adjustable. The battery life in betwen charges is impressive, but I think it a pity they seem to have abandoned modular batteries in favour of non-removable. Still, at the price point it's worth a punt.
There's no contrast adjustment but the exposure can be adjusted and there is a Vivid mode which I am yet to try on this one. On the old ones it boosted the saturation. So far, I feel this camera is fine for more of a dashcam type of thing, but for creating TH-cam videos, it doesn't meet the expectations that other cameras can easily do.
@@Phil480 if you turn vivid mode on, you lose the stabilization. It's so idiotic the way they manage the settings. Whatever you input on the video screen (green colour) overrides any non-compatible value set in the settings screen (blue colour), and the other way around. For example, you go into the settings screen and turn stabilization and vivid mode on, but you still have the resolution in the video screen set to 4k, 25fps. Guess what? The moment you exit the settings screen and start recording, it will record using those parameters and the values you adjusted in the settings screen will be reverted (stabilization off and colour mode standard) even though they will still show up as being the ones you input.
I prefer stabilised footage, but the video quality looks so much nicer at the 140' than at the cropped 115' which makes it more like 1080 true resolution. It has the potential to be an awesome camera, but you hit the nail on the head, the lens is the main issues currently.
I agree, the 140º looks better with stability off. I am thinking of buying a spare lens and will try and see if I can find a way of converting it to get a wider angle. Not sure if it will work because of focus etc, but might be worth a go.
"...it narrows the fov.... which is not what you want from an action cam". Sorry, but that is EXACTLY what I want from an action cam! Fed up with the ultra zoomed out fish-eye effect of 170° - So thanks for this review I am ordering the XL Pro instead of the XL 👍🏻
Hello, Thank you for your video. I got information about this product from your video. And I have a question. It seems like that the FOV changes so much depending on whetehr the image stabilization os on or off, is that correct? And that changing is also happening at 1080p? If it is true then I'll prefer 2.7k of course but if it's not then I should choose between the FOV and stabilization, which I prefer.
@@Phil480 Thank you again :D I also bought this camera and I tested it. After several tests, I decided to use this cam in 4KUHD resolution. Of course not stabilization. A wide angle of image seemed more important to me than image stabilization, and when it was mounted on a helmet, the shaking was not so severe. And considering storage capacity, 4KUHD seems like a better choice.
Just bought one of these today. I'm on the fence between stabilisation and its narrow field of view also. i prefer the 2k @60fps unstabilised for mountain biking. makes the footage more natural. i would say the stabilisation would be useful if it were mounted to the bike itself. I use my old 1080 ghost XL as a rear cam now and that would most benefit from stabilisation :) otherwise, great camera for the price and battery life!
More likely with stabilisation on. Really depends on speed and distance that the plate is moving. For UK plates, it seems clear enough, but I imagine plates in other countries that are harder to read, the camera is probably not good enough for that.
Hi Phil, you seem to be close to me, I’ll look out for you! How are you getting on with this camera? I like the stabilisation, but not the field of view reduction. What Sony do you refer too in this video? I keen to have something, but not overly struck on anything yet, they all seem to have their issues…. Cheers, SnG
I use the Sony FDR-X3000 camera which is brilliant. Only 2 main drawbacks to it, there's no control over the mic input volume and the battery life isn't much. But for the image quality and optical stabilization it's very good. As for the Drift, so far it's behaving itself and it's good as a day to day always on sort of camera. The FOV is its main let down.
@@Phil480 Thanks Phil, I’ll have a look at the Sony. It’s so difficult as none of the cameras have all the necessary image quality, reliability, ease of use, and cost…. 🤪🤪
I know this vid is a year old , just got my XL Pro , image stabilization on this one does not stabilise at 60fps when in 2.7k , but if I reduce frame rate to 30fps then it does work along with reducing the field of view , just want to confirm that your one was on 60fps and stabilisation worked ? , the firmware showing on this camera appears to be a higher number than the upgrade firm number on the innovation site for downloading , I wonder if I should risk the upgrade from drift see if that works at 60fps ?
How is yours coming along. I just used the XL Pro today. Every time I set the settings it seams to revert back to a previous setting. Have you confirmed what setting the imagine stabilization works on? I think I like my INNOVV H5 better.
none of the 4K settings use stabilization , 2.7 does but has to be at 30fps , not impressed with the 4K footage at all , 1080P for some reason give the best looking video.@@RussellHogan
Go to bike camera if you can’t run a wire from somewhere to a gopro (battery alone is dreadful) but if you can use a gopro without the battery in you can’t beat it imo, got a 11 and looks absolutely incredible but I use it without a battery inside and have a small wire from my usb on my bike to the gopro and works great
I just got this camera. I use 1080p/60 with stabilisation. Do you know how to get date/time stamp to show? It seems to ignore when I set it on the camera with by the drift life app.
It's a bit fiddly but I'm sure you should be able to set it manually via the camera menu using the buttons. I've known the app to not always apply all of the settings that you select, or sometimes changing one setting will also change something else.
Also does the battery last longer at 2.7k 60fps than 4k mode? I am thinking I am going to mainly use 2.7k 60fps and switch to 1080p 60fps for very long trips.
Are you sure the stabilized footage is not 1080P? because I have this camera too and even tough in the setting you can keep the Stabilization and film on 2.7k it don't have Stabilization. I go 4k+. overall it's pretty crappy camera
Would there be any difference in using the built in image stabilisation as opposed to doing it in video editing software on the computer afterwards? I have just got the Drift XL Pro to fit to my helmet and am upgrading from an XL which I am going to mount facing backwards. I am a bit worried about the vibration but not tried it yet.
Software stabilisation usually looks worse from my experience. Good idea using your old one as a rear facing one. To answer your other question, the battery does last longer on 2.7k 60 than 4k. For long trips I do the same, knock it down to 1080p 60
@@Phil480 Just wondering how big are the files you get at 2.7k 60fps? I have mine set to high bitrate and am using dashcam mode set to 10 minute intervals. The files don’t seem big enough as they are less than 1gb for 10 mins where the Ghost XL 1080p 30fps was about 500MB for 5 minutes. Windows is showing 11792kbps bit rate.
I have chosen to leave my stabilisation off as with it on you get no perception of speed with it on 😒. Have you decided which resolution you will be filming in on your future videos buddy 👍
the smaller FOV is the no for me. the footage ain't that bad, for the perks of stabilisation. Especially for insurance safety, to prove who was at fault. Felt myself looking to the left most of the time of the video, during stabilisation
Nice comparison! I'm waiting for mine. Since the stabilization is digital, not mechanical, I will try to shoot at 4k with 60fps without it and do the stabilization at post-production. DaVinci Resolve seems to have nice algorithms for that, I can tweak how much the FOV is lost and other parameters.
Just bought this camera, and downloaded the app, and i can change settings on the app. What is shutter time lapse or whatever it is, and what setting is best?. I think there are two different settings for this.
Very tight angle with stabilisation. A shame not to be able to see your helmet at all when mounted on the side of the lid. I do prefer the wider angle.
That's the problem with this type of stabilisation. For it to work, the camera has to crop the video so it has a buffer of video around the edges to compensate for the movement. Unfortunately there's nothing you can do about it.
@EverythingGaming Oh! Sounds like it's switched to it's lowest FOV setting (90º). I don't think these cameras have a zoom function, so not sure what else it could be.
Yep - Ghost killed a good camera slowly - Drift HD Ghost FoV 170, Drift Ghost S 160, everything after 140. I can't bear watching my own vids from the 4K - stabilisation on looks like slo-mo, off looks jerky and a bit slow. After getting the Sony i just can't go back - what a shame, Drift really blew it I reckon.
I saw Hippo-Drones video and didn't realise how much of a difference there was in how speeds looked. They almost nailed it with this one, but sadly the FOV just doesn't cut it for a helmet mounted camera.
Interesting stuff that salinization makes things look some much more smooth cutting out that awful jerkiness. Would that I could get mine to work at all been trying to charge it for two days on and of all I get is the green light screen saying USB mode and nothing else no charging light or anything .How are you supposed to know when it's charged ,I also cannot get the internet light to come on it's like its just dead .I have to say at this point I am a complete technophobe, never done this before and I still haven't figured out my Insta 3690 after a week of having it : D . Maybe for me it's an eBay job for both and just spectate since I haven't even tackled the editing stuff haha good watch though Cheers :D
If it's green and in USB mode, I'd say that is fully charged. It's usually a red screen when charging. I don't think WiFi is enabled by default, so you have to press the buttons on the camera to navigate the settings menu to enable WiFi.
You can use the cameras buttons to clear the SD card, but to delete specific video files, you either need to take the card out and do it on a computer or use the phone app to connect to the camera over WiFi.
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The reduced FOV seems (to me) a fair price to pay for the image stabilisation. That said, I don't understand why Drift can't achieve something even close to GoPro picture quality; image stabilisation aside, the contrast isn't quite right. I don't now whether that's user adjustable. The battery life in betwen charges is impressive, but I think it a pity they seem to have abandoned modular batteries in favour of non-removable. Still, at the price point it's worth a punt.
There's no contrast adjustment but the exposure can be adjusted and there is a Vivid mode which I am yet to try on this one. On the old ones it boosted the saturation.
So far, I feel this camera is fine for more of a dashcam type of thing, but for creating TH-cam videos, it doesn't meet the expectations that other cameras can easily do.
Battery is still removable, but the stabilization only works on 1080p60 or 2.7k50, it doesn't work on 4k, and the fov needs to be 115 at most.
@@Phil480 if you turn vivid mode on, you lose the stabilization. It's so idiotic the way they manage the settings. Whatever you input on the video screen (green colour) overrides any non-compatible value set in the settings screen (blue colour), and the other way around. For example, you go into the settings screen and turn stabilization and vivid mode on, but you still have the resolution in the video screen set to 4k, 25fps. Guess what? The moment you exit the settings screen and start recording, it will record using those parameters and the values you adjusted in the settings screen will be reverted (stabilization off and colour mode standard) even though they will still show up as being the ones you input.
I prefer stabilised footage, but the video quality looks so much nicer at the 140' than at the cropped 115' which makes it more like 1080 true resolution. It has the potential to be an awesome camera, but you hit the nail on the head, the lens is the main issues currently.
I agree, the 140º looks better with stability off. I am thinking of buying a spare lens and will try and see if I can find a way of converting it to get a wider angle. Not sure if it will work because of focus etc, but might be worth a go.
I think I like the image stabilizer on. It doesn’t show your helmet and it is so much smoother. Stabilizer off and I get dizzy.
"...it narrows the fov.... which is not what you want from an action cam". Sorry, but that is EXACTLY what I want from an action cam! Fed up with the ultra zoomed out fish-eye effect of 170° - So thanks for this review I am ordering the XL Pro instead of the XL 👍🏻
If that's what you want, then this camera would be perfect for you!
Hello, Thank you for your video. I got information about this product from your video. And I have a question. It seems like that the FOV changes so much depending on whetehr the image stabilization os on or off, is that correct? And that changing is also happening at 1080p? If it is true then I'll prefer 2.7k of course but if it's not then I should choose between the FOV and stabilization, which I prefer.
That is correct, turning the stabilization on does reduce the FOV to 115º regardless of if it's in 1080p or 2.7k.
@@Phil480 Thank you again :D I also bought this camera and I tested it. After several tests, I decided to use this cam in 4KUHD resolution. Of course not stabilization. A wide angle of image seemed more important to me than image stabilization, and when it was mounted on a helmet, the shaking was not so severe. And considering storage capacity, 4KUHD seems like a better choice.
In a word, INCONCLUSIVE.
Just bought one of these today. I'm on the fence between stabilisation and its narrow field of view also. i prefer the 2k @60fps unstabilised for mountain biking. makes the footage more natural. i would say the stabilisation would be useful if it were mounted to the bike itself. I use my old 1080 ghost XL as a rear cam now and that would most benefit from stabilisation :) otherwise, great camera for the price and battery life!
ironically this might be the BEST current car dash camera, purely because it has a lense that can rotate
Yes, it seems to work well as a dash cam!
Is the camera good enough to clearly identify licence plate details?
More likely with stabilisation on. Really depends on speed and distance that the plate is moving. For UK plates, it seems clear enough, but I imagine plates in other countries that are harder to read, the camera is probably not good enough for that.
Hi Phil, you seem to be close to me, I’ll look out for you! How are you getting on with this camera? I like the stabilisation, but not the field of view reduction. What Sony do you refer too in this video? I keen to have something, but not overly struck on anything yet, they all seem to have their issues…. Cheers, SnG
I use the Sony FDR-X3000 camera which is brilliant. Only 2 main drawbacks to it, there's no control over the mic input volume and the battery life isn't much. But for the image quality and optical stabilization it's very good.
As for the Drift, so far it's behaving itself and it's good as a day to day always on sort of camera. The FOV is its main let down.
@@Phil480 Thanks Phil, I’ll have a look at the Sony. It’s so difficult as none of the cameras have all the necessary image quality, reliability, ease of use, and cost…. 🤪🤪
I know this vid is a year old , just got my XL Pro , image stabilization on this one does not stabilise at 60fps when in 2.7k , but if I reduce frame rate to 30fps then it does work along with reducing the field of view , just want to confirm that your one was on 60fps and stabilisation worked ? , the firmware showing on this camera appears to be a higher number than the upgrade firm number on the innovation site for downloading , I wonder if I should risk the upgrade from drift see if that works at 60fps ?
How is yours coming along. I just used the XL Pro today. Every time I set the settings it seams to revert back to a previous setting. Have you confirmed what setting the imagine stabilization works on? I think I like my INNOVV H5 better.
none of the 4K settings use stabilization , 2.7 does but has to be at 30fps , not impressed with the 4K footage at all , 1080P for some reason give the best looking video.@@RussellHogan
Go to bike camera if you can’t run a wire from somewhere to a gopro (battery alone is dreadful) but if you can use a gopro without the battery in you can’t beat it imo, got a 11 and looks absolutely incredible but I use it without a battery inside and have a small wire from my usb on my bike to the gopro and works great
Rustington! Local lad here.
I just got this camera. I use 1080p/60 with stabilisation. Do you know how to get date/time stamp to show? It seems to ignore when I set it on the camera with by the drift life app.
It's a bit fiddly but I'm sure you should be able to set it manually via the camera menu using the buttons. I've known the app to not always apply all of the settings that you select, or sometimes changing one setting will also change something else.
Also does the battery last longer at 2.7k 60fps than 4k mode? I am thinking I am going to mainly use 2.7k 60fps and switch to 1080p 60fps for very long trips.
Interesting your video is the first one where the stabilised image has been fairly crisp. Agreed on it being too narrow on the fov.
Are you sure the stabilized footage is not 1080P? because I have this camera too and even tough in the setting you can keep the Stabilization and film on 2.7k it don't have Stabilization.
I go 4k+.
overall it's pretty crappy camera
Would there be any difference in using the built in image stabilisation as opposed to doing it in video editing software on the computer afterwards? I have just got the Drift XL Pro to fit to my helmet and am upgrading from an XL which I am going to mount facing backwards. I am a bit worried about the vibration but not tried it yet.
Software stabilisation usually looks worse from my experience.
Good idea using your old one as a rear facing one.
To answer your other question, the battery does last longer on 2.7k 60 than 4k.
For long trips I do the same, knock it down to 1080p 60
@@Phil480 Just wondering how big are the files you get at 2.7k 60fps? I have mine set to high bitrate and am using dashcam mode set to 10 minute intervals. The files don’t seem big enough as they are less than 1gb for 10 mins where the Ghost XL 1080p 30fps was about 500MB for 5 minutes. Windows is showing 11792kbps bit rate.
I have chosen to leave my stabilisation off as with it on you get no perception of speed with it on 😒. Have you decided which resolution you will be filming in on your future videos buddy 👍
Not sure yet. For planned TH-cam videos I will be sticking with the Sony. For the day to day riding, I'll probably leave it in 1080p 60fps.
the smaller FOV is the no for me. the footage ain't that bad, for the perks of stabilisation. Especially for insurance safety, to prove who was at fault. Felt myself looking to the left most of the time of the video, during stabilisation
Yes, I noticed it does seem to wander a bit and not quite correct itself, which of course with a narrow FOV would look worse.
I thought you could have the stabilisation on at 1080 or below ?
So did I, turns out I had bad information. It works up to 2.7K 50fps.
@@Phil480 Does the image stabilization reduce the FOV for all resolutions (even 1080p) or just the higher ones, 2.7k and above?
@@OneAlphaMike All resolutions, as far as I know. Definitely 1080 and above.
Thanks. Good to know.
Nice comparison! I'm waiting for mine. Since the stabilization is digital, not mechanical, I will try to shoot at 4k with 60fps without it and do the stabilization at post-production. DaVinci Resolve seems to have nice algorithms for that, I can tweak how much the FOV is lost and other parameters.
That's not a bad idea! Would be interesting to see the comparison of the camera stabilisation vs software.
The camera doesn't do 4k 60fps though buddy 😉
25 is as high as it goes in 4KUHD and 30 in 4K.
Just bought this camera, and downloaded the app, and i can change settings on the app.
What is shutter time lapse or whatever it is, and what setting is best?. I think there are two different settings for this.
Very tight angle with stabilisation. A shame not to be able to see your helmet at all when mounted on the side of the lid. I do prefer the wider angle.
I guess I will stick with my Drift 4K+. This is not any better. Thanks for the video.
I feel like doing stabilization in post production would be better, then you could give it just a slight bit of crop and still get some stability.
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When I enable stabilisation it zooms my camera dramarically how do I stop that
That's the problem with this type of stabilisation. For it to work, the camera has to crop the video so it has a buffer of video around the edges to compensate for the movement. Unfortunately there's nothing you can do about it.
@@Phil480 I understand that but my crop is so extreme you barely can see anything it's like zoomed in sooooooooo much
@EverythingGaming Oh! Sounds like it's switched to it's lowest FOV setting (90º). I don't think these cameras have a zoom function, so not sure what else it could be.
What about the wind noise?
audio isn't so good, or did you turn that down when editing??
Sounded fine to me, maybe a bit quiet. I'd gone down to level 1 mic sensitivity.
Yep - Ghost killed a good camera slowly - Drift HD Ghost FoV 170, Drift Ghost S 160, everything after 140. I can't bear watching my own vids from the 4K - stabilisation on looks like slo-mo, off looks jerky and a bit slow.
After getting the Sony i just can't go back - what a shame, Drift really blew it I reckon.
I saw Hippo-Drones video and didn't realise how much of a difference there was in how speeds looked.
They almost nailed it with this one, but sadly the FOV just doesn't cut it for a helmet mounted camera.
Interesting stuff that salinization makes things look some much more smooth cutting out that awful jerkiness. Would that I could get mine to work at all been trying to charge it for two days on and of all I get is the green light screen saying USB mode and nothing else no charging light or anything .How are you supposed to know when it's charged ,I also cannot get the internet light to come on it's like its just dead .I have to say at this point I am a complete technophobe, never done this before and I still haven't figured out my Insta 3690 after a week of having it : D . Maybe for me it's an eBay job for both and just spectate since I haven't even tackled the editing stuff haha good watch though Cheers :D
If it's green and in USB mode, I'd say that is fully charged. It's usually a red screen when charging. I don't think WiFi is enabled by default, so you have to press the buttons on the camera to navigate the settings menu to enable WiFi.
For the 'internet light' to come on, you need to press and hold the button closest to the back of the camera for 3 seconds
How do you delete phitos/video from the card
You can use the cameras buttons to clear the SD card, but to delete specific video files, you either need to take the card out and do it on a computer or use the phone app to connect to the camera over WiFi.
I hate to say it but my drift ghost hd1080p camera that is now nearly 10 years old has a better picture, Drift has gone backward with quality
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Stick with GoPro.