Players doing drugs or getting involved with serious issues isn’t just an NRL issue it’s an issue in many sports around the globe. Great video Leaguie keep up the great work.
List of (possible) charges against Mam: 1. Driving under the influence 2. Driving without a licence 3. Dangerous operation of vehicle causing grievous bodily harm (x3) 4. Failing to comply with duty of care 5. Possession of drugs or drug paraphernalia Personally, i think we should be more concerned by the actions of the courts than the NRL's response.
Coming to think of it… it is super weird that we just let those guys go play for other clubs… but not their current club. Why hasn’t anyone else pointed that out lol 😅
@@Steve-jo3cl I have no idea, that's definitely not what I'm arguing. The point of this video wasn't really for me to say what punishments I think would be appropriate... I leave that up to the viewer.
@@TheLeaguie Well your saying if a clubs fires someone like Ado-Carr and Mam another club shouldnt be able to come in and pick them up, so the only answer for this the players should be deregistered/delisted and banned for 3-4 years that way another club cant come in and pick them up if their respective clubs fire them.... I really dont see the difference between recreational drugs or PEDS .....
@@Steve-jo3cl That’s not really what I’m saying either. I’m more just pointing out that it’s weird we all see no problem with them going to another club, but see a problem with him staying where he is. The difference between recreational and PED from the NRL’s perspective is that one inherently threatens the integrity of the sport. While recreationals are sorta external to it
Never thought of this great video i personnly think that addo car should get sacked as well as Ezra Mann there role models for the youth it has to be stopped.
Mam should be stood down by the NRL (as per the no fault stand down policy as I believe the charges have a maximum of over 11 years if fully convicted) and he should not be allowed to be a registered player until any time served on the charges are completed in custody or otherwise.
Mam tested positive to weed apparently. I personally think the unlicensed driving is the bigger issue here. The gall of the man... Difference between the 2 players as far as I can see: Dogs see this as an easy way to get rid of JAC and free up cash they probably see as overpaying. Whereas Broncos likely want to keep Mam, but know they are going to have to make the right call, whatever that is.
Yeah I mean as I said, me grandstanding about the moral wrongs committed isn’t something I think anyone needs to hear. I’m just interested from a club perspective on the way they handle it, and you’re absolutely right. To be honest I doubt Ezra will get sacked, and it’s for that very reason. Sam Walker will re-sign with the Roosters, and there aren’t really any other guys who can offer what Mam does as a 21 year old half. They know that
As far as the Addo-Carr incident, I thiknk the Bulldogs have realised that no other club want to take on the stigma he's put on himself. The board meeting will be a case of "You're going to take less money, and play second grade for a year, until everyone forgets this in 2026".
As a sports fan I hate that they get multiple chances to do drugs and get away with it. I obv dont do drugs but if I did and my work found out I would be sacked. Why is being an AFL player or an NRL player be a mitigating factor instead of an aggravating factor for doing drugs. Why do all that hard work and then let it all down by doing stupid shit. More spotlights on the Patty Carrigan’s and Alex Neal-bullen’s over people that will piss it away like Clayton Oliver and Ezra Mam.
But I do get what you’re saying. The best people at anything always get more chances than the average people. Get away with things they shouldn’t. And then you bring in business decisions for clubs that rely on marketable and star players to win premierships and make money.
Yeah I mean there is a slight difference in that while your work would sack you… you would then go get a job elsewhere doing something similar to what you’re doing now. Probably on a lower salary, but you’d find employment. The same is true for NRL players. They’d go play rugby league elsewhere on a reduced salary. I definitely understand what you’re saying and I don’t disagree, but that’s a distinction worth making
Stop crying. 😂 It’s all about context. Being a pro athlete and having a normal 9-5 job is a big difference. For one, the media isn’t following every move you make
The NRL has an invested interest in keeping these players playing and regardless of what they do, they’ll spin the narrative to try and convince the public they’re getting punished fairly when really is just a slap on the wrist in the grand scheme of things
Here’s a list of players the new NRL franchise should chase, to keep in the news from the jump. Carr, Mamm, Walsh, Jennings, Mitchell, Trindell, May, Smith, Wakeham, Burgess, Leilua. I hope this helps.👍
To add to the team: Matt Lodge, Bronson Xerri, Valentine Holmes, Mitch Kenny, Cameron Munster, Harry Grant - 18th Man: Josh Curran. Coaches: Alfie Langer, Nate Myles
@@Jazz_Tamateaadd to the Coaches Flanagan. The Pepsta and after getting kicked up the arse he still went to games when he had the ban. NRLs favourite policy,just lift the carpet 🤔
What would the judiciary do if they were found with performance enhancing drugs. RL in UK, would ban them for at least 2 years if I remember correctly. We don't know what has gone on in the past when clubs have kept a lid on the scandals, I bet there are things we will never know, well before unsocial media took hold, or "journalists" trying to make a name for themselves. You are correct how we look at so-called celebrities differently to our neighbours and friends in similar circumstances.
Just re watched ya video and I remember a case over here in NZ which involved a Union player named Sevu Reece. He was charged with domestic violence and when it hit the news there was outrage and he had his new contract with the Chiefs terminated before playing a game for them. But what happens next is he was then signed by the Crusaders and went on to be a star player for them and selected for the All Blacks. Then he gets into a drunken incident where he crashed someones car into a garage door and what happened? Name suppression until case resulted in a discharge without conviction.
Yeah as I said in this video, it’s a bit unfair to expect justice from a sports league, which isn’t a judicial body. I can’t hold it against them for acting in their own interest within the bounds of the law.
Great vid. I think the bulldogs situation is because bulldogs are trying to clean up their brand compared to previous generations. By making a stand against drugs they are promoting the club to future players (and families of the players) that don’t take drugs or drink that it’s a safe place to come to (or send your kids to). The man situation is tricker. Pretty cooked what he did.
I agree the way we view justice and punishments is baffling. I’ve had some people say they are happy with 6 weeks, a fine, and a rehab program. That’s less of a suspension than latrell for a tackle gone wrong. I also had a mate suggest he gets the same suspension as someone who gets found guilty of doping. Initially I thought that was excessive but the more I think of it, why not? I personally think a year suspension from all NRL is sufficient and warranted. Having seen the footage is blatantly obvious that either he didn’t know how to drive or the substance was having an acute impact on his motor skills. This isn’t some silly mistake which you could argue was the case for addo car (minus the misleading the club) this is beyond stupid from Mam so I think the nrl needs to make a stance here
I agree completely with what you’re saying, but I’m not sure I agree that ‘the NRL *needs* to make a stance here’. I absolutely think they SHOULD make a stance here. I think it would lack integrity to not make a stance here. But if say they banned him for 8-10 weeks, would there really be substantive backlash that tangibly damages their brand? Realistically, I doubt it. So unfortunately I don’t think it’d something the NRL *need* to do
@@DaMuss-e2w I do think that's a fair point, but it probably again more reflects a societal issue. Leniu's comments were absolutely national news. Outlets and social media accounts who don't cover the NRL were talking about them. Society was outraged, so the NRL had to come down hard. This Mam situation on the other hand hasn't escaped the NRL world to anywhere near the same degree. I personally think the 8 weeks for Leniu was on the steep end. So I would be reluctant to use that as a reference point.
@@TheLeaguie Leniu did not cause grievous bodily harm nor endanger multiple lives. I hope Mam gets a couple years to think about his actions. Hope the courts are not lenient because he can play a game of footy.
Well presented topical piece brother, as you say, this is a social issue that is typical with this age demographic with our young men worldwide. We need to be better at supporting our young men thrust into this type of hero spotlight as they are going to fk up...and also there has to be real time consequences so they can learn and grow into better men. As to how we in league and in wider society accomplish that is a work in progress. Keeping it real league! Good post
Thank you mate, I really appreciate you saying that. And absolutely - I think potentially we should be looking at treating these issues before they happen (through education, support, etc), rather than after the fact (through punishment).
@TheLeaguie I think that the NRL and the Clubs actually do treat these issues by providing education and support programs to these players very early and right through their careers but like every other community and demographic, people still do the wrong thing regardless of wha5 mechanisms are provided..young men will always be young men and do what young people do. Let's not blame it on the NRL and let the players be accountable for their own actions.
@@sneakerfreak Yeah look that’s fair, and in the video I do describe it as a societal problem as opposed to an NRL problem. I definitely wouldn’t claim to know more about what they’re doing than the well-being specialists the NRL employ. But yeah - this video was more calling attention to the way we view punishments
I’ve always said that theNRL should take full control of all punishments for these types of incidents I/o the club sacking the player so he can be snapped up by another club. Also as a Dragons supporter, he has displayed a character through his actions and lies which will not help the club. From a practical level we have a slight fast player in Sloan anyway. Addo-Carr will only get slower.
Yeah I think JAC over his time at the dogs did get a lot bigger physically, so he’s not just that simple speed demon anymore. But absolutely, you’d think the NRL, as a more objective body than the clubs, would be able to handle those punishments better
Have you heard of Mohamed Ihattaren? Once a big Dutch soccer talent. But it quickly turned out he lacked professionalism. Guy didn’t show up to trainings and was constantly obese. And some 2 years ago, it was revealed he was involved with the worst criminal organisation in the Netherlands, the “Mocro mafia”. To be clear, he wasn’t involved in crimes directly but he let them use his car. He was “sacked” (sold/not further contracted/released early) by 6! clubs before the age of 22 but still got another chance/contract. Another famous example is Patrick Kluivert. He was before your time so idk if you know him. He was one of the most talented strikers the Netherlands ever had. He scored the winning goal in the CL final for Ajax at the age of 18. He was involved in a car accident too, he was speeding by a crazy margin, crashed into another car, and killed a dad of young children. He still went on to play for Barcelona and to become the all time top scorer for “Oranje”. Goes to show, if you are a talented sportsman, you get a lot more second chances than the average person. Compared to my examples, guys like Man are peanuts. Gonna watch England Samoa, mate?
Absolutely, I’ve heard of both. Back when Ihattaren was ballin for PSV, I was absolutely convinced he was going to be a star. We should be talking about him on a similar level now as we talk about Xavi Simons. And Kluivert is obviously a legend of the game. Even his son Justin has turned into a decent player. You’re definitely right, that’s the business side of things. Clubs will be more likely to take that chance on you. While that might not seem fair, it does make complete sense. I will watch England v Samoa for sure, but on a replay tomorrow night. Very much looking forward to it!
@@TheLeaguie Cool, you seem to have quite the soccer knowledge, may I ask, what is your connection to the Netherlands that you lived there for most of your youth/childhood? Ihattaren was really an incredible talent. Maybe even generational. Was excited when Ajax gave him a chance. But he completely blew it. Of course, his dad dying when he was 18 certainly had a big factor but is no excuse for his behaviour and wasting of chances/talent. Justin Kluivert is indeed a very good player too (funny enough, he is a different type, Patrick the classical tall and strong striker around 1.90, Justin is quite short and small). Some of his other sons play (semi) professional too. His parents played soccer. Really talented family. Nice. That’s what I did with a lot NRL games last season. Daylight savings time messed up Kiwis vs Kangaroos for me today, got up an hour too late. But luckily I could watch it from the start with Nine now. So glad I can finally watch an RL test match at a normal time on my tv as a European. Gonna be a really good game I feel.
@@LomuHabana My father got a job over in the Netherlands when I was 6, so we all moved over there until I was 18. Very much grew up here. But yeah funnily enough there wasn’t much scope to talk about NRL to my mates over there, so I developed a real interest in soccer. Unfortunately the team I fell head over heels in love with was Sunderland, who’ve not had the best time over the last 5-6 years, but we’re leading the championship at the moment! Domestically in Holland I always liked ADO Den Haag - just because they were my local team. But unfortunately they’re another example of a team who definitely should be playing at a level above where they currently are
I'm not a fan of the NRL doing player bans. Not that I'm against them, some crimes are horrid, however I don't believe the NRL to be, like you said, a proper "judicial system" and thus those bans and punishments won't be handed out fairly. I however do think a sanction system could be easily put in place and somewhat consistent. Instead of banning Ezra Mam, you put him on a 3+ year sanction where his salary is effectively "doubled". That is if you want to buy him at a reduced salary at 300k, it counts as 600k in your salary cap, where the other 300k that would go to Mam, goes back to the NRL. It isn't the just the NRL without morals, almost all the clubs lunge at the chance to sign these "star" players at cut price deals. They need to be put in check and have actual risks towards their opportunistic signings. This sanction doesn't remove the player from the NRL, however it severely happens their career during this period and I think as a punishment is much better than what we have right now. Would like to point out this idea was very much off the top of my head, details like length of the sanction and the penalty to salary (double, less or more) would be worked out by someone a lot smarter than me. P.S I'd also be open to Origin/Rep Footy bans during a sanction, allowed to play NRL but not represent your state/nation. However I feel like that would be largely dependent on the national body and I'm not too sure the NRL should be allowed to tell a nation whether or not to pick a player. Again great video, I really agree that the NRL and honestly a lot of fans don't hold the players accountable enough. A big part that holds the game back from becoming truly mainstream.
I agree. Don't sack Ezra from the NRL. He needs rehab and a very large fine. He will also be facing the courts, where he will no doubt be facing serious consequences for his actions!
Yep, the courts will do their thing seperate to the NRL, and I expect they’ll come down hard. Obviously hard to comment on the rehab side of things, but I know a lot of people who suspect the broncos have done that solely to take heat of Mam and give him an out. I certainly hope that isn’t true
If I was in the same situation I would not be sacked unless I needed my license for work. There is absolutely no need to disclose personal legal issues with your employer unless it directly affects your ability to do your job. The NRL obviously has a morality clause built into the contracts of players.
Yeah I’m not sure it’d be phrased as a ‘morality clause’ but they definitely seem to reference ‘bringing the game into disrepute’. Inherently, breaches of morality will do so
@@TheLeaguie That is a morality clause and it gives the press and social media the ability to destroy a career based solely on rumours and false allegations. Without the press these cases could have been dealt with, the players sanctioned, and justice served in the courts. Instead they are punished much more harshly because they play a game to earn a living.
@@blahblahblah8911 To be fair I do think that’s exaggerating. If the allegations are false, then the ruling will be that the player didn’t do anything to bring the game into disrepute. That’s not a career destroying matter
@@TheLeaguie I disagree. Part of the punishment is the media circus and the NRL response before the legal process has played out. There is no way to walk that back and there is rarely if ever a public apology to the accused.
I think the main reason Aldo Carr should be fired from bulldogs is due to the fact he lied to his club re: the details of the incident. I feel like the club stuck their neck out and looked stupid when it come back positive. If he was honest about the ordeal from the start, I think it probably could have ended up like Latrell with a slap on the wrist, but I could be wrong
Lmfao. You are one smart cookie. I don't watch the news all i ever here is shit. But you make a lot of sence and u r 100% right. Good on you mate. Yes I will subscribe to you.
What happened to James Segeyaro? He was treated severely on just suspicion. These two tested positive. NRL must be consistent in handling drug related issues. 😔
The fox sacking makes sense, he seemingly lied to Gus Gould and made him look foolish. That's a death knell! Gus would of had he's back if he just said "look ive done coke I need rehab". It's all about standards and the type of behaviour u accept so young players fully know
I personally would like to se the NRL to adjudicate every player under the same criteria Don’t allow a club to suffer because of a drug effected player, deregister offenders for a minimum/maximum amount of time depending on grade of charge
Yeah see we could implement changes like that, but then you’ve got the NRL acting much more like a judicial body - so we’d need to change the people they’ve got in place making the decisions. Right now - they don’t do what provides the most justice. They do what is the best for business
Ado-Carr, Mamm, Mitchell, Trindall, Bromwich Brothers, Smith, Munster.....the list goes on. They should have been or currently should be SACKED from holding a place in the game. Go out in the real world, hold a 9-5 job and support your habits through a $50K a year job. We will drop some loose change into your old battered Coffee cups on the Hard Street your sitting in sometime in the future. The NRL is weak, and creates this mindset amongst the current players that they can do whatever they want and get away with it. Clint Newton and the RPLA is just as much to blame.
The Broncos will probably ‘fine’ their player and life will be as normal which will be more than you can say about the innocent victims in this. The ‘fines’ are a joke as they are often suspended so the player ends up never having to pay anything. It’s all about visuals and business.
Yeah unfortunately I have to agree. I really expected more from the NRL and the Broncos in this instance, but its looking like they're going to be rather soft on him
Damaging the NRL Brand would end as soon as they get rid of this kind of behavior all together. He is 21 Ado even older why by that age do they not know that there are consequences for their Actions. Sack him and give him something like a parole. Go and show us you can behave for two years then you can come back and play in the NRL. Working a real job for a couple of years might be just the ticket.
For sure but, I think that damage is caused to the brand already. And also, with the game in a better position right now than it’s ever been… not even damage in the past is really holding it back
Its a bit more than the fact he was on drugs, the lies he told his club, not playing with his team in the finals, could have cost the club a win, now stack it all up, he needs to be sacked.
Tbf the ‘not playing with his team in finals’ would’ve at least been a mutual decision - if not something the club directly told him to do. But the rest of it is fair enough - and he was sacked
@@TheLeaguie I believe he withdrew his services for the finals, regardless he missed the final home and away game, that was his decision as he didnt tell the club until Monday, hey we all make mistakes, but they (NRL) have to clamp down on these players, letting Josh go to another club without even a one year suspension is a bit weak.
I don’t know the exact terms of it. But if speculation is correct and the bulldogs ‘want to get rid of him anyway’, then that suggests that it’s more complicated than that. Otherwise they would’ve sacked him weeks ago
Mam should be deregistered for 4 years, pay compensation to the victims and do community service. Why are there a different set of rules for nrl players/celebrities. No ones expecting them (nrl players) to be pic perfect,but you make a choice you have to wear the consequences. To add to that there are really solid role model players in the nrl who never do what mam or players like mam did. It's these types of takes that normalise this weird 2 different sets of rules for nrl players😅.
If Maam is charged with the serious charge, he won't play again until after court, at the earliest The difference between the two clubs, one is competitive. The bum teams will always offer a lifeline to a good player, regardless of what they've done The NRl is in the same boat, de reregister him and he just goes to union
But okay then in that case, why wouldn’t the media be criticising the hell out of Union for signing him? Maybe they would, but I suspect it’d just be forgotten.
Shit players get sacked. Good players get rehabilitated. Bulldogs will sack him because they want his cap space. Mam is a different case to JAC. Mam deserves to be sacked and deregistered.
Ummm, who said that any team who takes Josh won't be looked at differently???? u???? nah mate, any club who takes on a player like him is then saying we're ok with u guy's snorting or drinking and driving. I'm terrified that my team would try and take him in. No mate, any club who takes on Josh Addo-Carr is going to be criticized by those with 2 brain cells to rub together. If the dog's keep him, that's the way the doggies will be viewed as too. There's actually no win win for any club taking a druggie willing to then put other's at risk cos he wants to drive, and the club is ok with it.
To be honest, I just disagree that it would play out that way. I think we as Rugby League fans have short enough memories that that won’t happen. This is a little different, but it was only a matter of months ago that Latrell was photographed taking cocaine. We’ve all already forgotten about that. Nobody’s criticising Souths for employing a drug user.
That’s fair but at the same time… while I know peoples maturity develops at different speeds… I’m 22 and I know how fundamentally wrong that was. There would be 10 year olds who know how wrong that was. Mam knew - I suspect he just took a chance that he’d get away with it
I think players shouldn't get a fine just reduce the amount of money they can make .. wanna do drugs drive unlicensed crash into a mother and child .. if you don't get jail time, next 4 years you earn a base amount no matter what club you're at even if you play any rep you don't get rep payments.. even make them not do community service but have to work an actual job Min 30 hours turn then they will learn how privileged they really are
Yeah, and there’s definitely an argument to say that by becoming a superstar NRL player, you’re taking on that level of responsibility. Obviously goes without saying, but it was an incredibly poor thing to do
I mean Mam definitely didn’t do anything wrong in Vegas. You could argue maybe Leniu didn’t do anything wrong, but I’m curious what you think Mam did wrong. This incident is absolutely horrible, but I think it devalues it a little when you bundle it with another incident that holds nowhere near the same weight
@@TheLeaguie I may be wrong, but I think it sounds like the statement was a 'glass houses' type of thing. Complain about name calling (racist comments) but then drive unlicensed, on drugs and cause serious physical and emotional damage. Not saying I agree with anything said above but that's how it read to me.
@@Namida-no-Regret Fair enough, and I appreciate that clarification. If that’s the claim though then I definitely disagree. Those incidents are unrelated, so they should be looked at independently. For example, robbery doesn’t become justified if the guy you robbed happens to be a murderer.
@@TheLeaguie Well I'm not commenting on the validity, just what I think (and could be wrong) the commenter may have meant. We're all responsible for our own actions.
@@NRLHEAD3214As Leaguie said, the use of performance-enhancing drugs (which is cheating) is punished more seriously than the use of recreational drugs.
Brydens Lawyers NSW Blues winger Josh Addo-Carr has relived the most harrowing time of his life, which saw him jailed for assault,"Some stuff happened, I got into trouble with the police at one stage, I was going through the court systems, I was on curfew, I was reporting (to police) three times a week," Addo-Carr said. "I breached my bail a couple of times and got locked up about two or three times and I remember the whole process of getting out, and stripping naked, bending over and them checking if they had any stuff on you and that, and I just thought, 'What the hell is this?' Great Role models for the Kiddies eh??
For the record I do think NRL players are good role models for kids. There’s absolutely very bad examples of them, but there’s very good examples of them too. We just hear less about that
Yeah no look I’ve gotta say, nothing Latrell has done compares to the incidents in this video. And I’d argue he’s actually under much closer scrutiny than a lot of other guys
NRL is a political organisation, skin colour has everything to do with punishments…….if your an indigenous player you “made a mistake, your a great guy who made a mistake “ if your a Christian player who reserves his right to his beliefs you the are “a danger to the game and need to go”…..
Respectfully mate, I don’t think you could point me towards any time the NRL as a ‘political organisation’ have said a Christian player is ‘a danger to the game and needs to go’
The NRL: alright boys, we’ll pay you a gajillion dollars a year to play football, all you have to do is not use drugs and operate a motorvehicle Josh Addo-carr and Ezra Mam:
Players doing drugs or getting involved with serious issues isn’t just an NRL issue it’s an issue in many sports around the globe. Great video Leaguie keep up the great work.
List of (possible) charges against Mam:
1. Driving under the influence
2. Driving without a licence
3. Dangerous operation of vehicle causing grievous bodily harm (x3)
4. Failing to comply with duty of care
5. Possession of drugs or drug paraphernalia
Personally, i think we should be more concerned by the actions of the courts than the NRL's response.
For sure, but obviously yeah I’m an NRL channel so my focus is on what the NRL, and the Broncos, will do up until/in response to the court ruling
Not sure 4 is a chargeable offence.
Australian journalist crying about people using coke, when 95% of them are sniffing up a storm on the regular.
That industry is fuelled by coke
Still blows my mind there's a good chance Mam doesn't serve prison time for that... like wow...
if he doesnt then we know there is double standards ............period
Well there ya go.
Coming to think of it… it is super weird that we just let those guys go play for other clubs… but not their current club. Why hasn’t anyone else pointed that out lol 😅
It truly makes no sense to me… but I think it’s one of those things we just accept without really questioning it…
@@TheLeaguie SO they should be delisted from the NRL for 4 years .....
@@Steve-jo3cl I have no idea, that's definitely not what I'm arguing. The point of this video wasn't really for me to say what punishments I think would be appropriate... I leave that up to the viewer.
@@TheLeaguie Well your saying if a clubs fires someone like Ado-Carr and Mam another club shouldnt be able to come in and pick them up, so the only answer for this the players should be deregistered/delisted and banned for 3-4 years that way another club cant come in and pick them up if their respective clubs fire them.... I really dont see the difference between recreational drugs or PEDS .....
@@Steve-jo3cl That’s not really what I’m saying either. I’m more just pointing out that it’s weird we all see no problem with them going to another club, but see a problem with him staying where he is.
The difference between recreational and PED from the NRL’s perspective is that one inherently threatens the integrity of the sport. While recreationals are sorta external to it
"Business decision". There's the main criterion.
Very well put. It’s a shame this is the reality of watching sport but it’s not unique to the NRL at all
Never thought of this great video i personnly think that addo car should get sacked as well as Ezra Mann there role models for the youth it has to be stopped.
Sacked and do jail time league players are not above the law nothing special about them it’s just like their job
What are YOUR thoughts on what punishment Foxx and Mam should receive?
@@jordantassoneThat’s be human rights abuse…
I think that they should be forced to watch every one of the their teams losses 10 times
@@TheLeaguiewhy you got to diss my team bro I know we’re not good but that’s just rude
Mam should be stood down by the NRL (as per the no fault stand down policy as I believe the charges have a maximum of over 11 years if fully convicted) and he should not be allowed to be a registered player until any time served on the charges are completed in custody or otherwise.
They need to play an NRL game where Will chamber's is out to get them at all costs.
Mam tested positive to weed apparently. I personally think the unlicensed driving is the bigger issue here. The gall of the man...
Difference between the 2 players as far as I can see: Dogs see this as an easy way to get rid of JAC and free up cash they probably see as overpaying. Whereas Broncos likely want to keep Mam, but know they are going to have to make the right call, whatever that is.
Yeah I mean as I said, me grandstanding about the moral wrongs committed isn’t something I think anyone needs to hear. I’m just interested from a club perspective on the way they handle it, and you’re absolutely right.
To be honest I doubt Ezra will get sacked, and it’s for that very reason. Sam Walker will re-sign with the Roosters, and there aren’t really any other guys who can offer what Mam does as a 21 year old half. They know that
Great video. This hypocrisy has been going on in the NRL for years/decades.
As far as the Addo-Carr incident, I thiknk the Bulldogs have realised that no other club want to take on the stigma he's put on himself. The board meeting will be a case of "You're going to take less money, and play second grade for a year, until everyone forgets this in 2026".
Great content I love it!
Thanks mate! I appreciate it 💚
The fox is signing with the Batley bulldogs. Their stadium is already named after him.
As a sports fan I hate that they get multiple chances to do drugs and get away with it. I obv dont do drugs but if I did and my work found out I would be sacked. Why is being an AFL player or an NRL player be a mitigating factor instead of an aggravating factor for doing drugs. Why do all that hard work and then let it all down by doing stupid shit. More spotlights on the Patty Carrigan’s and Alex Neal-bullen’s over people that will piss it away like Clayton Oliver and Ezra Mam.
But I do get what you’re saying. The best people at anything always get more chances than the average people. Get away with things they shouldn’t. And then you bring in business decisions for clubs that rely on marketable and star players to win premierships and make money.
Yeah I mean there is a slight difference in that while your work would sack you… you would then go get a job elsewhere doing something similar to what you’re doing now. Probably on a lower salary, but you’d find employment.
The same is true for NRL players. They’d go play rugby league elsewhere on a reduced salary. I definitely understand what you’re saying and I don’t disagree, but that’s a distinction worth making
Stop crying. 😂
It’s all about context. Being a pro athlete and having a normal 9-5 job is a big difference. For one, the media isn’t following every move you make
The NRL has an invested interest in keeping these players playing and regardless of what they do, they’ll spin the narrative to try and convince the public they’re getting punished fairly when really is just a slap on the wrist in the grand scheme of things
Here’s a list of players the new NRL franchise should chase, to keep in the news from the jump. Carr, Mamm, Walsh, Jennings, Mitchell, Trindell, May, Smith, Wakeham, Burgess, Leilua. I hope this helps.👍
To add to the team: Matt Lodge, Bronson Xerri, Valentine Holmes, Mitch Kenny, Cameron Munster, Harry Grant - 18th Man: Josh Curran. Coaches: Alfie Langer, Nate Myles
@@Jazz_Tamateaadd to the Coaches Flanagan. The Pepsta and after getting kicked up the arse he still went to games when he had the ban. NRLs favourite policy,just lift the carpet 🤔
Always been a foster kid situation within the nrl, one slip up and your on to the next home. all forgotten
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What would the judiciary do if they were found with performance enhancing drugs. RL in UK, would ban them for at least 2 years if I remember correctly.
We don't know what has gone on in the past when clubs have kept a lid on the scandals, I bet there are things we will never know, well before unsocial media took hold, or "journalists" trying to make a name for themselves.
You are correct how we look at so-called celebrities differently to our neighbours and friends in similar circumstances.
Just re watched ya video and I remember a case over here in NZ which involved a Union player named Sevu Reece. He was charged with domestic violence and when it hit the news there was outrage and he had his new contract with the Chiefs terminated before playing a game for them. But what happens next is he was then signed by the Crusaders and went on to be a star player for them and selected for the All Blacks. Then he gets into a drunken incident where he crashed someones car into a garage door and what happened? Name suppression until case resulted in a discharge without conviction.
Yeah as I said in this video, it’s a bit unfair to expect justice from a sports league, which isn’t a judicial body. I can’t hold it against them for acting in their own interest within the bounds of the law.
Great vid.
I think the bulldogs situation is because bulldogs are trying to clean up their brand compared to previous generations.
By making a stand against drugs they are promoting the club to future players (and families of the players) that don’t take drugs or drink that it’s a safe place to come to (or send your kids to).
The man situation is tricker. Pretty cooked what he did.
Good points you make.
You make perfect sense, Leaguie!
What the hell is honestly happening these days, Wendell Sailor got 2 year ban for taking coke from all codes worldwide now they get 3-5 weeks
And that was nearly 2 decades ago
It's all about optics, do anything to bring negative attention to the league and your in trouble.
Both of the players knew the rules. I have no compassion for them. It's the same BS from overpaid footballer's every year.
I agree the way we view justice and punishments is baffling.
I’ve had some people say they are happy with 6 weeks, a fine, and a rehab program. That’s less of a suspension than latrell for a tackle gone wrong.
I also had a mate suggest he gets the same suspension as someone who gets found guilty of doping. Initially I thought that was excessive but the more I think of it, why not?
I personally think a year suspension from all NRL is sufficient and warranted.
Having seen the footage is blatantly obvious that either he didn’t know how to drive or the substance was having an acute impact on his motor skills. This isn’t some silly mistake which you could argue was the case for addo car (minus the misleading the club) this is beyond stupid from Mam so I think the nrl needs to make a stance here
I agree completely with what you’re saying, but I’m not sure I agree that ‘the NRL *needs* to make a stance here’.
I absolutely think they SHOULD make a stance here. I think it would lack integrity to not make a stance here. But if say they banned him for 8-10 weeks, would there really be substantive backlash that tangibly damages their brand?
Realistically, I doubt it. So unfortunately I don’t think it’d something the NRL *need* to do
Thats less than Leniu got for calling Mam a name.
@@DaMuss-e2w I do think that's a fair point, but it probably again more reflects a societal issue. Leniu's comments were absolutely national news. Outlets and social media accounts who don't cover the NRL were talking about them. Society was outraged, so the NRL had to come down hard.
This Mam situation on the other hand hasn't escaped the NRL world to anywhere near the same degree.
I personally think the 8 weeks for Leniu was on the steep end. So I would be reluctant to use that as a reference point.
@@TheLeaguie Leniu did not cause grievous bodily harm nor endanger multiple lives. I hope Mam gets a couple years to think about his actions. Hope the courts are not lenient because he can play a game of footy.
Well presented topical piece brother, as you say, this is a social issue that is typical with this age demographic with our young men worldwide. We need to be better at supporting our young men thrust into this type of hero spotlight as they are going to fk up...and also there has to be real time consequences so they can learn and grow into better men.
As to how we in league and in wider society accomplish that is a work in progress.
Keeping it real league! Good post
Thank you mate, I really appreciate you saying that.
And absolutely - I think potentially we should be looking at treating these issues before they happen (through education, support, etc), rather than after the fact (through punishment).
@TheLeaguie I think that the NRL and the Clubs actually do treat these issues by providing education and support programs to these players very early and right through their careers but like every other community and demographic, people still do the wrong thing regardless of wha5 mechanisms are provided..young men will always be young men and do what young people do. Let's not blame it on the NRL and let the players be accountable for their own actions.
@@sneakerfreak Yeah look that’s fair, and in the video I do describe it as a societal problem as opposed to an NRL problem. I definitely wouldn’t claim to know more about what they’re doing than the well-being specialists the NRL employ. But yeah - this video was more calling attention to the way we view punishments
@TheLeaguie I agree, from a punishment perspective the penalties and punishments are twisted.
I’ve always said that theNRL should take full control of all punishments for these types of incidents I/o the club sacking the player so he can be snapped up by another club. Also as a Dragons supporter, he has displayed a character through his actions and lies which will not help the club. From a practical level we have a slight fast player in Sloan anyway. Addo-Carr will only get slower.
Yeah I think JAC over his time at the dogs did get a lot bigger physically, so he’s not just that simple speed demon anymore.
But absolutely, you’d think the NRL, as a more objective body than the clubs, would be able to handle those punishments better
I agree with everything you have said. Talent seems to trump integrity and logic.
Have you heard of Mohamed Ihattaren? Once a big Dutch soccer talent. But it quickly turned out he lacked professionalism. Guy didn’t show up to trainings and was constantly obese. And some 2 years ago, it was revealed he was involved with the worst criminal organisation in the Netherlands, the “Mocro mafia”. To be clear, he wasn’t involved in crimes directly but he let them use his car. He was “sacked” (sold/not further contracted/released early) by 6! clubs before the age of 22 but still got another chance/contract.
Another famous example is Patrick Kluivert. He was before your time so idk if you know him. He was one of the most talented strikers the Netherlands ever had. He scored the winning goal in the CL final for Ajax at the age of 18. He was involved in a car accident too, he was speeding by a crazy margin, crashed into another car, and killed a dad of young children. He still went on to play for Barcelona and to become the all time top scorer for “Oranje”.
Goes to show, if you are a talented sportsman, you get a lot more second chances than the average person. Compared to my examples, guys like Man are peanuts.
Gonna watch England Samoa, mate?
Absolutely, I’ve heard of both. Back when Ihattaren was ballin for PSV, I was absolutely convinced he was going to be a star. We should be talking about him on a similar level now as we talk about Xavi Simons. And Kluivert is obviously a legend of the game. Even his son Justin has turned into a decent player.
You’re definitely right, that’s the business side of things. Clubs will be more likely to take that chance on you. While that might not seem fair, it does make complete sense.
I will watch England v Samoa for sure, but on a replay tomorrow night. Very much looking forward to it!
@@TheLeaguie Cool, you seem to have quite the soccer knowledge, may I ask, what is your connection to the Netherlands that you lived there for most of your youth/childhood?
Ihattaren was really an incredible talent. Maybe even generational. Was excited when Ajax gave him a chance. But he completely blew it. Of course, his dad dying when he was 18 certainly had a big factor but is no excuse for his behaviour and wasting of chances/talent.
Justin Kluivert is indeed a very good player too (funny enough, he is a different type, Patrick the classical tall and strong striker around 1.90, Justin is quite short and small). Some of his other sons play (semi) professional too. His parents played soccer. Really talented family.
Nice. That’s what I did with a lot NRL games last season.
Daylight savings time messed up Kiwis vs Kangaroos for me today, got up an hour too late. But luckily I could watch it from the start with Nine now. So glad I can finally watch an RL test match at a normal time on my tv as a European. Gonna be a really good game I feel.
@@LomuHabana My father got a job over in the Netherlands when I was 6, so we all moved over there until I was 18. Very much grew up here.
But yeah funnily enough there wasn’t much scope to talk about NRL to my mates over there, so I developed a real interest in soccer. Unfortunately the team I fell head over heels in love with was Sunderland, who’ve not had the best time over the last 5-6 years, but we’re leading the championship at the moment!
Domestically in Holland I always liked ADO Den Haag - just because they were my local team. But unfortunately they’re another example of a team who definitely should be playing at a level above where they currently are
I'm not a fan of the NRL doing player bans. Not that I'm against them, some crimes are horrid, however I don't believe the NRL to be, like you said, a proper "judicial system" and thus those bans and punishments won't be handed out fairly. I however do think a sanction system could be easily put in place and somewhat consistent. Instead of banning Ezra Mam, you put him on a 3+ year sanction where his salary is effectively "doubled". That is if you want to buy him at a reduced salary at 300k, it counts as 600k in your salary cap, where the other 300k that would go to Mam, goes back to the NRL.
It isn't the just the NRL without morals, almost all the clubs lunge at the chance to sign these "star" players at cut price deals. They need to be put in check and have actual risks towards their opportunistic signings. This sanction doesn't remove the player from the NRL, however it severely happens their career during this period and I think as a punishment is much better than what we have right now.
Would like to point out this idea was very much off the top of my head, details like length of the sanction and the penalty to salary (double, less or more) would be worked out by someone a lot smarter than me.
P.S I'd also be open to Origin/Rep Footy bans during a sanction, allowed to play NRL but not represent your state/nation. However I feel like that would be largely dependent on the national body and I'm not too sure the NRL should be allowed to tell a nation whether or not to pick a player.
Again great video, I really agree that the NRL and honestly a lot of fans don't hold the players accountable enough. A big part that holds the game back from becoming truly mainstream.
I agree. Don't sack Ezra from the NRL. He needs rehab and a very large fine. He will also be facing the courts, where he will no doubt be facing serious consequences for his actions!
Yep, the courts will do their thing seperate to the NRL, and I expect they’ll come down hard. Obviously hard to comment on the rehab side of things, but I know a lot of people who suspect the broncos have done that solely to take heat of Mam and give him an out. I certainly hope that isn’t true
If I was in the same situation I would not be sacked unless I needed my license for work. There is absolutely no need to disclose personal legal issues with your employer unless it directly affects your ability to do your job. The NRL obviously has a morality clause built into the contracts of players.
Yeah I’m not sure it’d be phrased as a ‘morality clause’ but they definitely seem to reference ‘bringing the game into disrepute’. Inherently, breaches of morality will do so
@@TheLeaguie That is a morality clause and it gives the press and social media the ability to destroy a career based solely on rumours and false allegations. Without the press these cases could have been dealt with, the players sanctioned, and justice served in the courts. Instead they are punished much more harshly because they play a game to earn a living.
@@blahblahblah8911 To be fair I do think that’s exaggerating. If the allegations are false, then the ruling will be that the player didn’t do anything to bring the game into disrepute. That’s not a career destroying matter
@@TheLeaguie I disagree. Part of the punishment is the media circus and the NRL response before the legal process has played out. There is no way to walk that back and there is rarely if ever a public apology to the accused.
I think the main reason Aldo Carr should be fired from bulldogs is due to the fact he lied to his club re: the details of the incident. I feel like the club stuck their neck out and looked stupid when it come back positive. If he was honest about the ordeal from the start, I think it probably could have ended up like Latrell with a slap on the wrist, but I could be wrong
Bull crap, every player that's been sacked should take these clowns to court.
Lmfao. You are one smart cookie. I don't watch the news all i ever here is shit. But you make a lot of sence and u r 100% right. Good on you mate. Yes I will subscribe to you.
Thank you mate, I really appreciate you saying that. Glad to have you on board 💚
great vid today leaguie the vidio quality has definently improved over time (pls dont take offence to that)
No offence taken whatsoever! Yeah thanks man - I felt this video was the best I’ve done so far in terms of editing, etc
@@TheLeaguie i agree
What happened to James Segeyaro? He was treated severely on just suspicion. These two tested positive. NRL must be consistent in handling drug related issues. 😔
That was a little different. Segeyaro was found to have taken performance enhancers. Obviously to a sports league, that’s a more serious offence
Fair enough. Coke is performance enhancing so should be banned anyway. Zak Hardaker and Gareth Hock both got 2 year bans here in the UK for coke.
season was over a few weeks before this incident . lol
The fox sacking makes sense, he seemingly lied to Gus Gould and made him look foolish. That's a death knell! Gus would of had he's back if he just said "look ive done coke I need rehab". It's all about standards and the type of behaviour u accept so young players fully know
Sailor got 2 years didn't he ?
send a clear message
NRL
clear up our game 😢
If only people held athletes to a higher then politicians.
I personally would like to se the NRL to adjudicate every player under the same criteria
Don’t allow a club to suffer because of a drug effected player, deregister offenders for a minimum/maximum amount of time depending on grade of charge
Yeah see we could implement changes like that, but then you’ve got the NRL acting much more like a judicial body - so we’d need to change the people they’ve got in place making the decisions.
Right now - they don’t do what provides the most justice. They do what is the best for business
Ado-Carr, Mamm, Mitchell, Trindall, Bromwich Brothers, Smith, Munster.....the list goes on. They should have been or currently should be SACKED from holding a place in the game. Go out in the real world, hold a 9-5 job and support your habits through a $50K a year job. We will drop some loose change into your old battered Coffee cups on the Hard Street your sitting in sometime in the future.
The NRL is weak, and creates this mindset amongst the current players that they can do whatever they want and get away with it.
Clint Newton and the RPLA is just as much to blame.
I love the vid leaguie keep up the good work
You too bro 💚
@@TheLeaguie I will see you later at the stream
The Broncos will probably ‘fine’ their player and life will be as normal which will be more than you can say about the innocent victims in this. The ‘fines’ are a joke as they are often suspended so the player ends up never having to pay anything. It’s all about visuals and business.
Yeah unfortunately I have to agree. I really expected more from the NRL and the Broncos in this instance, but its looking like they're going to be rather soft on him
Both muppets should be suspended for a full year and their salary not count towards the cap
Dogs follow Panthers model. Family club with moral standards. Brisbane follow the Souths model, indulge the talent, call a bin fire a Great Club.
Apollogies for missing the stream i had some important things on today and couldn't make the stream in time
No dramas whatsoever mate, good to hear you got your stuff done 💚
Damaging the NRL Brand would end as soon as they get rid of this kind of behavior all together.
He is 21 Ado even older why by that age do they not know that there are consequences for their Actions.
Sack him and give him something like a parole.
Go and show us you can behave for two years then you can come back and play in the NRL.
Working a real job for a couple of years might be just the ticket.
For sure but, I think that damage is caused to the brand already. And also, with the game in a better position right now than it’s ever been… not even damage in the past is really holding it back
As a dragons fan, Fox can join or not, I’d rather him stay away.
Its a bit more than the fact he was on drugs, the lies he told his club, not playing with his team in the finals, could have cost the club a win, now stack it all up, he needs to be sacked.
Tbf the ‘not playing with his team in finals’ would’ve at least been a mutual decision - if not something the club directly told him to do. But the rest of it is fair enough - and he was sacked
@@TheLeaguie I believe he withdrew his services for the finals, regardless he missed the final home and away game, that was his decision as he didnt tell the club until Monday, hey we all make mistakes, but they (NRL) have to clamp down on these players, letting Josh go to another club without even a one year suspension is a bit weak.
Wont the contract at the bulldogs be void if he breached its terms?
I don’t know the exact terms of it. But if speculation is correct and the bulldogs ‘want to get rid of him anyway’, then that suggests that it’s more complicated than that. Otherwise they would’ve sacked him weeks ago
Ship them off to France or the Super League - they don't care about anything other than form.
Josh was actually sacked
Mam should be deregistered for 4 years, pay compensation to the victims and do community service. Why are there a different set of rules for nrl players/celebrities. No ones expecting them (nrl players) to be pic perfect,but you make a choice you have to wear the consequences. To add to that there are really solid role model players in the nrl who never do what mam or players like mam did. It's these types of takes that normalise this weird 2 different sets of rules for nrl players😅.
If Maam is charged with the serious charge, he won't play again until after court, at the earliest
The difference between the two clubs, one is competitive. The bum teams will always offer a lifeline to a good player, regardless of what they've done
The NRl is in the same boat, de reregister him and he just goes to union
But okay then in that case, why wouldn’t the media be criticising the hell out of Union for signing him? Maybe they would, but I suspect it’d just be forgotten.
@@TheLeaguie MSM will take any chance to be negative, so I reckon they would be all over it, especially the likes of buzz and hooper
Shit players get sacked. Good players get rehabilitated. Bulldogs will sack him because they want his cap space. Mam is a different case to JAC. Mam deserves to be sacked and deregistered.
Ummm, who said that any team who takes Josh won't be looked at differently???? u???? nah mate, any club who takes on a player like him is then saying we're ok with u guy's snorting or drinking and driving. I'm terrified that my team would try and take him in. No mate, any club who takes on Josh Addo-Carr is going to be criticized by those with 2 brain cells to rub together. If the dog's keep him, that's the way the doggies will be viewed as too. There's actually no win win for any club taking a druggie willing to then put other's at risk cos he wants to drive, and the club is ok with it.
To be honest, I just disagree that it would play out that way. I think we as Rugby League fans have short enough memories that that won’t happen.
This is a little different, but it was only a matter of months ago that Latrell was photographed taking cocaine. We’ve all already forgotten about that. Nobody’s criticising Souths for employing a drug user.
You talk a bloody lot of sense!
The white stuff must be very expensive in Oz. That’s a long journey.
Most expensive place in the world to purchase it and we also happen to be the biggest consumers of it per capita
Nobody wants a coke demon at work, in any industry.
Josh Addo-Carr is an old man
Ezra is only 21 years old
That’s fair but at the same time… while I know peoples maturity develops at different speeds… I’m 22 and I know how fundamentally wrong that was. There would be 10 year olds who know how wrong that was.
Mam knew - I suspect he just took a chance that he’d get away with it
Sobbing boy put a girl in hospital. Being 21 no excuse.
I think players shouldn't get a fine just reduce the amount of money they can make .. wanna do drugs drive unlicensed crash into a mother and child .. if you don't get jail time, next 4 years you earn a base amount no matter what club you're at even if you play any rep you don't get rep payments.. even make them not do community service but have to work an actual job Min 30 hours turn then they will learn how privileged they really are
Kids look up to these players. Children in Brisbane want to be Ezra Mam. It’s disappointing that he’s doing drugs and endangering lives.
Yeah, and there’s definitely an argument to say that by becoming a superstar NRL player, you’re taking on that level of responsibility.
Obviously goes without saying, but it was an incredibly poor thing to do
look what his actions did to that 4yr old kid. Broken Hip plus other injuries.
Ezra is a clown after the leniu incident now look at what’s happened now suck shit mate .
I mean Mam definitely didn’t do anything wrong in Vegas. You could argue maybe Leniu didn’t do anything wrong, but I’m curious what you think Mam did wrong.
This incident is absolutely horrible, but I think it devalues it a little when you bundle it with another incident that holds nowhere near the same weight
@@TheLeaguie I may be wrong, but I think it sounds like the statement was a 'glass houses' type of thing. Complain about name calling (racist comments) but then drive unlicensed, on drugs and cause serious physical and emotional damage. Not saying I agree with anything said above but that's how it read to me.
@@Namida-no-Regret Fair enough, and I appreciate that clarification. If that’s the claim though then I definitely disagree. Those incidents are unrelated, so they should be looked at independently.
For example, robbery doesn’t become justified if the guy you robbed happens to be a murderer.
@@TheLeaguie Well I'm not commenting on the validity, just what I think (and could be wrong) the commenter may have meant. We're all responsible for our own actions.
Didn’t xerri get banned for doing drugs
That was different - he used performance enhancers. Foxx and Mam allegedly used recreational drugs (such as cocaine)
@@TheLeaguie oh okay 👍🏼
@@NRLHEAD3214As Leaguie said, the use of performance-enhancing drugs (which is cheating) is punished more seriously than the use of recreational drugs.
I have stopped watching nrl……for 5 years now……a waste of time
Ok?Why comment that on a nrl related video then you just wasting your own time 😂
Brydens Lawyers NSW Blues winger Josh Addo-Carr has relived the most harrowing time of his life, which saw him jailed for assault,"Some stuff happened, I got into trouble with the police at one stage, I was going through the court systems, I was on curfew, I was reporting (to police) three times a week," Addo-Carr said.
"I breached my bail a couple of times and got locked up about two or three times and I remember the whole process of getting out, and stripping naked, bending over and them checking if they had any stuff on you and that, and I just thought, 'What the hell is this?'
Great Role models for the Kiddies eh??
For the record I do think NRL players are good role models for kids. There’s absolutely very bad examples of them, but there’s very good examples of them too. We just hear less about that
Come on i follow the panthers and if any of them player's talk drugs our drink driving i would hope thy would be shown the door
Brandon Wakeham
The hypocrisy is so sad while Latrell can get away with blue murderer
when the fuck did latrell drive unlicensed and intoxicated on drugs breaking a 4 year old's hip? 🤡
Yeah no look I’ve gotta say, nothing Latrell has done compares to the incidents in this video. And I’d argue he’s actually under much closer scrutiny than a lot of other guys
9 minutes late
Unacceptable Danny. There will be consequences for this 😤
@@TheLeaguie Does that mean you will kill me for being like almost 1 hour late
@@CalebThwaites Nah that's okay Caleb you get special treatment 💚
@@TheLeaguie Ok cool
@@TheLeaguie racism
NRL is a political organisation, skin colour has everything to do with punishments…….if your an indigenous player you “made a mistake, your a great guy who made a mistake “ if your a Christian player who reserves his right to his beliefs you the are “a danger to the game and need to go”…..
Bullshit
Respectfully mate, I don’t think you could point me towards any time the NRL as a ‘political organisation’ have said a Christian player is ‘a danger to the game and needs to go’
You okay there boomer?
Newsflash: Christian zealot says Christians are victimised.
The NRL: alright boys, we’ll pay you a gajillion dollars a year to play football, all you have to do is not use drugs and operate a motorvehicle
Josh Addo-carr and Ezra Mam:
Ezras not going anywhere
He is going to the Zoo to be with the Monkeys
Kevin Walters was sacked by the Broncos because he has no eyebrows 😮
What is this I don’t understand 😭😂
@@TheLeaguie Do you see any eyebrows on Kevin Walters?
@@jamiebartlett6887 Now that you mention it…. No, no I don’t 👀
@@TheLeaguie Alfie shaved them off after 6 more songs