"If you set SteamVR to render around 3600x3600 per eye, the difference between 75Hz and 90Hz should be imperceptible in almost every VR experience. 3600x3600 at 75Hz is manageable, but by default, we do not render at 3600x3600 at 90Hz in SteamVR as it's extremely performance intensive (needs an RTX 4080 or better)." - Bigscreen
That's an interesting point about the FOV and the OLED screen. Haven't received mine, partly because I'm from EU so gotta wait, but Beatsaber is my most played VR game and I can imagine how it could feel just like there was no limited FOV from the headset. Obviously not everything could take advantage of this idea for the Beyond while also thinking of a future with all headsets being OLED, but some applications/games should definitely consider making parts of them more immersive by having pure black edges/backgrounds.
Longer than 3 months, i think. I bought it in late August, and only got the email to send in my facial scan a week ago. From others' anecdotes, it'll still take a few weeks, maybe even 2 months for the unit to be manufactured and shipped to me. The Beyond has only gotten more and more popular as more videos have come out. The manufacturing admittedly has gotten faster with time, but still...
@@RICE4azns i got my scan on December first and it's Christmas now and the best they can offer me is essentially, something like two more weeks, but no promises. It is what it is.
I’ll give you a 3rd issue. Bigscreen has consistently lied about shipping dates just to make more sales. Most likely you’ll be waiting twice as long as anything they say.
My face scan came in at 66mm IPD. Sounded too wide, went to an optometrist and they measured 62.5. Mine is arriving tomorrow, so hopefully the 62 they ended up configuring is good.
I absolutely love what Bigscreen did as far as custom tailored HMD that's super light weight. I'm a little bummed about all the compromises though. I still feel like we're in generation 1 of VR because for every advancement that's made, I feel like there are still tradeoffs that even the Rift CV1 didn't have. Looking forward to the first headset that combines EVERY improvement simultaneously as well as introducing something new. That will be the true second generation of VR. Oculus/Meta has always had the most comfortable optics for me personally so I'm kind of bummed they're out of the PC market and probably won't have such an ergonomic headset like this in a long time. Here's hoping other companies get better optical ergonomics.
Mine just arrived, 6 hours+ of troubleshooting later I'm now looking forward to returning it, it's not for general consumption, great for a channel if youre looking for content.
its interesting that a few millimeters can completely throw off the experience. I tried to average the scan (66mm) the index focal range(63-64mm) and a caliper in a mirror and on camera (64.5mm) so hopefully it works out
Thanks for the video. Had mine for a few days and trying to make sure my IPD is correct. In X-Plane in the Cessna 172 all the text seems to be quite clear so think I am OK but just not sure.
@@cbutters I think I am seeing what you were in the middle and have filed a ticket. We will see what support has to say but over the holiday might be a while.
As for the pcvr user who does not need standalone, i do also agree. For me ot was also a now brainer to move out of the time of the bricks, that we had for so many years
Damnit! I suspect mine is too narrow because I have to turn my head to the direction to get a good field of view. If I let my eyes stray a little too far in any direction it looks blurry af! Is there any way to check for sure? That drawing you included in this video is making me suspicious, but I can't know for sure without a valid test....
the beyond isnt even about the formfactor for me. its the combination of the resolution, paired with micro oled and okay fov. but since you cant adjust the ipd, i couldnt share it with my wife (56mm vs 64mm ipd) we would need 2, just to play seperate (we have no dedicated room and not alot of space, so beeing watched for hazards like the dog and sloping roof makes playing under supervision almost necesarry) and thats just overkill. but theres nothing like that out there and seeing how the vr market develops, you can bet that it wont happen for a while. its all about standalone and people buying that, dont care about that
The fact that you're not able to adjust the IPD is a big L in my book. Yea might be that it makes it slightly lighter, but Im sure someone could've come up with a clever design, to at least be able to adjust it a tiny bit.
I agree... I don't know how the internals are set up, but even if it was a single lead screw that you had to use a torx bit to adjust on the side; could have been worth the extra weight. I think the same goes for the screen/optics.. you could go slightly bigger and alleviate a lot of lens issues and get a bit better FOV by doing so. (I understand that availablility of panels was a big factor for what we DO get on the BSB though.
@InvernessMoon it doesn't "ensure" because they sent me one 2 sizes off what I needed after working with them and them having me measure directly. Also it's possible to have ipd "between" sizes. I'm 61.5 for example. Sub mm adjustments would help fine tune for sure.
Yeeeah. I think I need 1mm smaller. I was originally at 67. I switched it to 66 and it's blurry in the middle so I guess I really should've gone down 2mm but you never really know until you get it.
The small sweet spot and small FOV is a big no to me. Most people do more than play in dark scenes. Even with proper IPD fit, it still seems like a step backwards for the sake of weight. I appreciate what BSB is trying to do but I think they overoptimized for weight at the expense of eye comfort and IPD adjustibility.
One other little reason regarding why FOV "feels" larger than it is. Your FOV is noticeably larger when you *don't* look at the edges. When you look straight ahead, your eyes will get to see a larger HFOV. Just how the eye rotation / optical path works.
Why is it that all i get is lip service and no tangible assistance from the Bigscreen beyond guys. I paid over $1000. to purchase this hmd and the faceplate is drastically miss aligned to the point of pain and discomfort. All I keep hearing is praise yet I have not been able to experience the device as It was advertised since it arrived. I've been following this hmd since it was announced and ordered early yet I still had to wait, only to receive quite an uncomfortable and painful experience this far. Feels like I'm screaming from the mountain top and no one is listening.
I waited and saved almost a year for this, and it is just insanely uncomfortable on my right eye socket, no matter how I arrange the head band, carved some right eye piece foam out and it still puts intense strain on the right eye, the left feels awesome, the visuals are great, i just can't play any longer than an hour, the IPD and scanning may leave something to be desired
there is a used one on eBay and as you can see someone has been carving on the foam to make it more comfortable the headset looks like a mess and evidently someone gave up. 🧐😵😭
Have you tried it with DCS and IL2 Sturmovik? Please tell me, how many fps do you achieve and if the objectives are seen well in the distance, what resolution do you have at 90 fps, can you compare it with the Varjo?
I have ordered mine, and estimated to arrive in January. What is the best way to measure IPD? I wonder if it is worth going to an optician to get the most accurate measurement?
IPD numbers are literally "millimeters between pupil" so if you have a pair of calipers or something and don't have shaky hands and won't stab yourself, you can use anything to measure it. I used some basic measuring calipers in the mirror in front of myself and it was spot on for what the size ended up working for me on my beyond.
@@cbutters I wouldn't recommend this approach though I can see it might work. The optimal IPD to use is the so-called "far-IPD", which is the IPD when you're focusing on something in the distance. If you measure in a mirror you'll have a hard time measuring the far-IPD, and even disregarding that factor, manually measuring with calipers will be hard to get exactly correct. For the BSB, every millimeter matters, and manually measuring like this will likely have an error of at least .+- 1mm
@@cbutters I think trusting the facescan and potentially double checking with another app that can measure IPD is the way to go. I can’t speak for optometrists, I would’ve assumed they would give you the best estimation but I’ve also heard people have gotten poor results there as well.
Hey, how did you go about fixing this issue? Just reaching out to customer service? Just got my Beyond yesterday and I’m having the same IPD issue you had.
Optometrist does measure me at 72mm... not right for me, I need 69mm in the Quest 3 or I have severe eye strain. so headsets without manual IPD adjustment are a total no go for me.
can you use it without base stations and use 3 degrees of freedom instead of 6? i wanna play sim racing so ill be sitting and only moving my head around and not my whole body
The edge clarity is bad. move your pupils anywhere not in the center of the lens and the image smudges and blurs. My next headset will have bigger lenses because the 3cm ones are maddening.
So far I am having a horrible experience my ipd scan said to get a 67 but on index i always used 66.4 and on recommendations ordered 66 but i probably need a 67 as even glancing very slightly to the edge it becomes a blurry mess. Glare is also really bad it feels like the lenses get smudged it's rather annoying and even at 100% fan headset gets hot. So i thought maybe i would return it but guess what there is a $200 "restocking fee" so yeah...brightness is also not the best and going past 100% persistence is horrible. I am not sure how this headset is 4.9/5 on their website it has a lot of issues...
Dang.. I don't think its the most important thing, but it is important and you're right; should have mentioned something about it. I'll update some info about it in the description of the video.
Thank you for existing
Great love the video, thank you for the take! excited to be receiving mine soon!
"If you set SteamVR to render around 3600x3600 per eye, the difference between 75Hz and 90Hz should be imperceptible in almost every VR experience. 3600x3600 at 75Hz is manageable, but by default, we do not render at 3600x3600 at 90Hz in SteamVR as it's extremely performance intensive (needs an RTX 4080 or better)." - Bigscreen
But...what if I have a 4090? Shouldn't I be the one who decides what resolution to run?
That's an interesting point about the FOV and the OLED screen. Haven't received mine, partly because I'm from EU so gotta wait, but Beatsaber is my most played VR game and I can imagine how it could feel just like there was no limited FOV from the headset. Obviously not everything could take advantage of this idea for the Beyond while also thinking of a future with all headsets being OLED, but some applications/games should definitely consider making parts of them more immersive by having pure black edges/backgrounds.
I have 2 main issues with this headset. #1 If i bought it today id have to wait three months to get it. #2 Im broke.
Longer than 3 months, i think. I bought it in late August, and only got the email to send in my facial scan a week ago. From others' anecdotes, it'll still take a few weeks, maybe even 2 months for the unit to be manufactured and shipped to me. The Beyond has only gotten more and more popular as more videos have come out. The manufacturing admittedly has gotten faster with time, but still...
@@RICE4azns i got my scan on December first and it's Christmas now and the best they can offer me is essentially, something like two more weeks, but no promises. It is what it is.
I’ll give you a 3rd issue. Bigscreen has consistently lied about shipping dates just to make more sales. Most likely you’ll be waiting twice as long as anything they say.
Don’t cancel it though because they lie about returning your money too. They won’t.
My face scan came in at 66mm IPD. Sounded too wide, went to an optometrist and they measured 62.5. Mine is arriving tomorrow, so hopefully the 62 they ended up configuring is good.
How did it turn out?
howd it go?
I understand BSB recommends an optometrist precise measurement -1. So 64 ipd from opt, minus 1 and you would get a 63 from BSB.
I absolutely love what Bigscreen did as far as custom tailored HMD that's super light weight. I'm a little bummed about all the compromises though.
I still feel like we're in generation 1 of VR because for every advancement that's made, I feel like there are still tradeoffs that even the Rift CV1 didn't have. Looking forward to the first headset that combines EVERY improvement simultaneously as well as introducing something new. That will be the true second generation of VR.
Oculus/Meta has always had the most comfortable optics for me personally so I'm kind of bummed they're out of the PC market and probably won't have such an ergonomic headset like this in a long time. Here's hoping other companies get better optical ergonomics.
Mine just arrived, 6 hours+ of troubleshooting later I'm now looking forward to returning it, it's not for general consumption, great for a channel if youre looking for content.
its interesting that a few millimeters can completely throw off the experience. I tried to average the scan (66mm) the index focal range(63-64mm) and a caliper in a mirror and on camera (64.5mm) so hopefully it works out
Thanks for the video. Had mine for a few days and trying to make sure my IPD is correct. In X-Plane in the Cessna 172 all the text seems to be quite clear so think I am OK but just not sure.
Glad you FINALLY got yours!
@@cbutters I think I am seeing what you were in the middle and have filed a ticket. We will see what support has to say but over the holiday might be a while.
As for the pcvr user who does not need standalone, i do also agree.
For me ot was also a now brainer to move out of the time of the bricks, that we had for so many years
Curious why you said you'd still buy an index if they bumped the resolution. Would the bigscreen beyond still not win due to the fit and weight?
no because lens size is too small, so your eyes can't look around, you need to move your head
I have an index, varjo aero, and beyond. I find the glare to be pretty bad in the beyond. Is this normal?
Yep, it's due to the small size lenses. You can't have it all I guess...
Damnit! I suspect mine is too narrow because I have to turn my head to the direction to get a good field of view. If I let my eyes stray a little too far in any direction it looks blurry af! Is there any way to check for sure? That drawing you included in this video is making me suspicious, but I can't know for sure without a valid test....
Did you ever get the thinner face gasket that they offer? MRTV said it greatly improves FOV and sweet spot.
do you have a link to the head strap mods and speakers
www.thingiverse.com/thing:6285356
@@cbuttersrecommend adding this link to your video description :)
the beyond isnt even about the formfactor for me. its the combination of the resolution, paired with micro oled and okay fov. but since you cant adjust the ipd, i couldnt share it with my wife (56mm vs 64mm ipd) we would need 2, just to play seperate (we have no dedicated room and not alot of space, so beeing watched for hazards like the dog and sloping roof makes playing under supervision almost necesarry) and thats just overkill. but theres nothing like that out there and seeing how the vr market develops, you can bet that it wont happen for a while. its all about standalone and people buying that, dont care about that
Haven't got mine yet but the big deal for me was the micro-oled as well. I can't wait for the beyond to be here.
The fact that you're not able to adjust the IPD is a big L in my book.
Yea might be that it makes it slightly lighter, but Im sure someone could've come up with a clever design, to at least be able to adjust it a tiny bit.
I agree... I don't know how the internals are set up, but even if it was a single lead screw that you had to use a torx bit to adjust on the side; could have been worth the extra weight. I think the same goes for the screen/optics.. you could go slightly bigger and alleviate a lot of lens issues and get a bit better FOV by doing so. (I understand that availablility of panels was a big factor for what we DO get on the BSB though.
You don't need to adjust the IPD because the face scan ensures they send you a unit with a matching IPD.
@InvernessMoon it doesn't "ensure" because they sent me one 2 sizes off what I needed after working with them and them having me measure directly. Also it's possible to have ipd "between" sizes. I'm 61.5 for example. Sub mm adjustments would help fine tune for sure.
Yeeeah. I think I need 1mm smaller. I was originally at 67. I switched it to 66 and it's blurry in the middle so I guess I really should've gone down 2mm but you never really know until you get it.
it would be nice if there was a screw you could turn manualy to shift it by just a few mm.
The small sweet spot and small FOV is a big no to me. Most people do more than play in dark scenes. Even with proper IPD fit, it still seems like a step backwards for the sake of weight. I appreciate what BSB is trying to do but I think they overoptimized for weight at the expense of eye comfort and IPD adjustibility.
One other little reason regarding why FOV "feels" larger than it is. Your FOV is noticeably larger when you *don't* look at the edges. When you look straight ahead, your eyes will get to see a larger HFOV. Just how the eye rotation / optical path works.
Why is it that all i get is lip service and no tangible assistance from the Bigscreen beyond guys. I paid over $1000. to purchase this hmd and the faceplate is drastically miss aligned to the point of pain and discomfort. All I keep hearing is praise yet I have not been able to experience the device as It was advertised since it arrived. I've been following this hmd since it was announced and ordered early yet I still had to wait, only to receive quite an uncomfortable and painful experience this far. Feels like I'm screaming from the mountain top and no one is listening.
I can hear your base stations lmao
I waited and saved almost a year for this, and it is just insanely uncomfortable on my right eye socket, no matter how I arrange the head band, carved some right eye piece foam out and it still puts intense strain on the right eye, the left feels awesome, the visuals are great, i just can't play any longer than an hour, the IPD and scanning may leave something to be desired
there is a used one on eBay and as you can see someone has been carving on the foam to make it more comfortable the headset looks like a mess and evidently someone gave up. 🧐😵😭
Have you tried it with DCS and IL2 Sturmovik? Please tell me, how many fps do you achieve and if the objectives are seen well in the distance, what resolution do you have at 90 fps, can you compare it with the Varjo?
Hello, do need the SteamVR Base Stations for the bigscreen to work on DCS world? Thanks
You need base stations for it to work at all.
Where do you get the speakers you mentioned in the video?
See here for parts list: www.thingiverse.com/thing:6285356
I have ordered mine, and estimated to arrive in January. What is the best way to measure IPD? I wonder if it is worth going to an optician to get the most accurate measurement?
IPD numbers are literally "millimeters between pupil" so if you have a pair of calipers or something and don't have shaky hands and won't stab yourself, you can use anything to measure it. I used some basic measuring calipers in the mirror in front of myself and it was spot on for what the size ended up working for me on my beyond.
@@cbutters I wouldn't recommend this approach though I can see it might work.
The optimal IPD to use is the so-called "far-IPD", which is the IPD when you're focusing on something in the distance. If you measure in a mirror you'll have a hard time measuring the far-IPD, and even disregarding that factor, manually measuring with calipers will be hard to get exactly correct. For the BSB, every millimeter matters, and manually measuring like this will likely have an error of at least .+- 1mm
@@IllIlIIllIlIl what method do you recommend?
@@cbutters I think trusting the facescan and potentially double checking with another app that can measure IPD is the way to go.
I can’t speak for optometrists, I would’ve assumed they would give you the best estimation but I’ve also heard people have gotten poor results there as well.
@GreenGodDiary I trusted the face scan and it was wrong? I had to send it back to them for a different unit.
Hey, how did you go about fixing this issue? Just reaching out to customer service?
Just got my Beyond yesterday and I’m having the same IPD issue you had.
Bigscreen beyond discord has helpful bigscreen employees on it
Optometrist does measure me at 72mm... not right for me, I need 69mm in the Quest 3 or I have severe eye strain. so headsets without manual IPD adjustment are a total no go for me.
¿Lo has probado con DCS e IL2 Sturmovik?, por favor cuéntamelo.
The closer focal point causing eye strain? You need glasses maybe?
can you use it without base stations and use 3 degrees of freedom instead of 6? i wanna play sim racing so ill be sitting and only moving my head around and not my whole body
I don't believe so
You could use only one base station in that scenario
whenever i need high hrtz i just go back to valve index
The edge clarity is bad. move your pupils anywhere not in the center of the lens and the image smudges and blurs. My next headset will have bigger lenses because the 3cm ones are maddening.
So far I am having a horrible experience my ipd scan said to get a 67 but on index i always used 66.4 and on recommendations ordered 66 but i probably need a 67 as even glancing very slightly to the edge it becomes a blurry mess. Glare is also really bad it feels like the lenses get smudged it's rather annoying and even at 100% fan headset gets hot. So i thought maybe i would return it but guess what there is a $200 "restocking fee" so yeah...brightness is also not the best and going past 100% persistence is horrible. I am not sure how this headset is 4.9/5 on their website it has a lot of issues...
I went with a Quest 3 instead of a Beyond from an Index because I’d have to buy another set of Valve Index controllers.
1360 HMD + 100 Elite Strap + 100 p.lenses
Wht is there fan when Quest 3 don't have the need of them?
The Quest 3 does have a fan.
ok need to check if its noisy as I never heard any noise issue on the reviews, but with BSB I heard it many times
@@cbutters
Most important thing is glare but i guess you don't want to talk about it even last video. 😂.
Dang.. I don't think its the most important thing, but it is important and you're right; should have mentioned something about it. I'll update some info about it in the description of the video.