Ya didn't EEnE is only fresh in peoples minds because of the recent uploads of their episodes all over youtube kinda like the opposite of johnny test ( that and there's no crappy reboot of it yet)
I hate the fact that the animation of Ed Edd n Eddy is not being talked about at all. That show is a master class of how to animate a cartoon, and that’s because that was a major sticking point for Its creator. It was one of the last major shows to use traditional animation for every freaking frame, and it’s freaking gorgeous. The art style itself may not be for everyone, but that animation is unparalleled.
This! The free form jazz musical style and the various amount of avant garde sound effects fits the uniquely chaotic nature of the show. No other cartoon at the time had this going for them.
Well...because they did already in a previous episode. You’ve got to remember that they are sitting in one room over like 1-2 days filming this, so it’s hard to remember what has and has not been spoken about already. Even then, those previous arguments are still circulating in their heads.
Ed, Edd & Eddy hands down, PPG is a great show but EE&E is the purest form of what a cartoon is and it's one of the funniest that ever came out of Cartoon Network
The Eds were so close. If Barry just gave in and admitted he loves Ed, Edd, n, Eddy. It seems like the Eds lost both times because someone voted against it despite admitting it was the better show.
I feel like Barry forced his own hand with his previous MSB argument. If he didn't choose PPG he'd probably feel like a hypocrite. At least that's how I viewed it. I still can't believe EEnE lost to MSB honestly.
@@PollyBonanzas EEnE vs MSB is by far the most controversial of the madness episodes in my opinion. Just watching the video, then hearing their conclusion is painful.
I knoooow, Dexter was my favorite as a child, powerpuff girls was the girls show, but it worked in the end, because it was the same part of CN shows (and I get why they are at the top here), but Ed, Edd n Eddy was the less funny of the group (for more adults one could work) ...but as a kid in the 90s the fight was Dexter vs PPG.
I think it was hands down the funniest of the three. Genndy Tarakovsky has a really unique sense of humor and I think the timing of the jokes was usually super on point thanks to his direction. Also it had the best rap album.
The fact that Ed, Edd n Eddy lastest the longest of ALL of the Cartoon Cartoons, BY FAR, should speak for itself on being the best Cartoon Network show.
All 3 of the ones here got movies tho. Not all theatrical, but they all got movies. Can't comment which one's best since I never saw the PPG movie, but Big Picture Show is phenomenal, and Ego Trip is pretty amazing too.
@@Pik3rob all three movies were great, and if anything unforgettable and great came from Dexter, it was Ego Trip. The Ed movie was amazing as well, but in a different way. The PPG movie was good too, and the only theatrical one, but imo the worst of the three.
The reason you don’t see people cosplay as EEnE characters as much is because they’re in regular kids clothes and half of the boys don’t have more than 3 hairs.
@@pathogenofdecay It's not that it's bad, it's that it's not as good as these other great shows in the opinion of these dudes on the internet and lost to what I think will probably be the eventual winner, as MK64 did
So then we know it's not going to win. At this point I'm concerned as to whether or not Batman will win. "Well Batman may be the better show in every conceivable way, but I'm gonna have to give it to this other show because (bullshit) (bullshit)"
As a stickler for animation, the conversation about the style of Powerpuff Girls and how it "inspired" the visuals of future shows really irked me. Lee called it out. It's cheap. And it "inspired" the visuals of future shows because it's cheap. Sacrificing artistic quality for the sake of cutting costs should not be praised. Ed, Edd, N Eddy is the better show in every way, shape, and form.
I normally don't say anything about these but PPG has a cookiecutter artstyle because it was cheap and easy. Ed Edd and Eddy was specifically made with an artistic intention, relaxed loose and chaotic.
ED EDD EDDY,s slapstick humor appeals to people with foreign languages because its the only type of humor everyone can relate to That’s an argument that COULD HAVE WON THE SHOW maybe idk...
Still gonna throw this one in: Artistic value: Every episode is fully orchestrated... Yeah not much of an artistic standpoint, Oh no sir... Every show had that at the time... Only took hours upon hours of extra work... No biggie. Totally "not" being sarcastic here oh no sir.
Dunno man! A lot of the humor and situations in EE&E are very American. I live in Mexico and really liked EE&E (the dub was godlike); the slapstick is universal, but everything else is not too easy to relate to for foreigners, at least in my opinion.
Sir Goose genuinely curious, what would you consider the equivalent to gameplay in a cartoon? I don’t agree with about 90% of this bracket so I’m actually wanting to know what you mean
Please either setup a criteria of what you’re going to judge each show by. Or establish everyone’s initial vote and have them defend their choice and challenge the other show’s points. It would make everything a bit more fair. Alex talked about Powerpuff Girls for about 75% of this episode which doesn’t seem fair.
at least in the N64, they had the criteria for best N64 game, so it made sense how Goldeneye got a win ... but this here doesn't feel like as a kid in the 90s which series was better, but NOW which one they like more (specially in the case of Alex)
This is tough. I mean Dexter had some brilliant writing. The Speedracer episode was soooooo amazing. Then you had sillier episodes, like the dog trying to tell him something, and let's not forget about the Monkey segments. PPG was my jam at the time though. The villians, side characters, and the anime style action. Great stuff! E,E, AND E wasn't necessarily a bad show. It just came at a time when I wasn't invested in the Cartoon Network. Rewatching it now, I can see why it's great. But nostalgia plays a huge role. So it's at the bottom of my list.
The number one Dexter episode that stands out for me is the cheese omelette episode. There's also some great episodes from the series after they updated the art. I loved the Dad episodes and the Mandark episodes a lot. But Ego Trip was the best Dexter thing ever. They need to release it on Blu-Ray. Still, I'd go for EEnE as the best show. I've probably laughed more from the Eds than Dexter and PPG combined.
Of these three I give it to the Eds, and what really sealed it was the question of “how many episodes/stories stick out in your mind.” I remember FAR more individual gags and episode plots from EE&E than either of the other two.
I think it's really between Shane and Alex. Alex talks a ton, and Shane doesn't say a ton, but he makes by far the best points. He's just more concise with it.
I know right? It feel like he just pick his favorite then just start throwing out a bunch of pretensions shit that doesn't matter but makes it sound like he knows his shit, Shane probably makes the best points but he rarely says anything.
maybe this is somewhat controversial but I definitely think EEnE had the most sophisticated humor of these three shows, on top of the basic slapstick that anybody could get into
Has there been a single round where they didn't say either "These are so different, they're hard to compare" or "These two are so similar, they're tough to compare"?
Ed Edd n Eddy has one of the best art directions in this Madness, second only to Batman. The character design is fantastic and unique and the animation not only has perfectly timed slapstick, but also that style where the lines are constantly moving and uneven fits the show really well and sets it apart. AND DONT GET ME STARTED ON THE SOUND DESIGN
I like that Alex keeps talking about what Powderpuff Girls brought to the table and yet he keeps forgetting that Ed Edd n Eddy went far longer. It is also the longest running show for CN. So the Eds were doing something right to keep it on the air for that long.
Honestly, Peebins touched on one of the main apeals of Madness in this episode; it is fundamentally a show where a group of friends sit down and have the kind of dumb arguments we all have with our friends. It's fun to watch a different group of people talk about which X is ths best and why, even if I don't always agree with them.
Growing up as a kid in the 90s, I didn't have the internet to browse through, or a huge collection of games to play. I spent my time away from school running around outside, making my own adventures with my friends. No other cartoon captured that same feeling of real childhood wonder and imagination quite like what EEnE did. Granted, it wasn't the smartest show in the world, or any bit socially groundbreaking, but it truly encapsulated what it felt like to be a kid in the 90s
I've made several comments this video in response to people, but I figured making something standalone would be wise as well. The entire premise of Madness is a good idea. Debating what show or game was the best could have lead to some very interesting retrospection into each person's history and how they view things. But that's not how this is going down. You guys really didn't think this through, from what I've seen. No ground rules have been set. Games and shows have lost for the same reason another won. Comments are made that constantly contradict the point being made, and most minds are made up before the episode even films. You guys really need to retool this idea. Set ground rules. Start each episode by saying your votes, then debate. At the end, see if anyone changed their minds. Have people defend their viewpoint while also trying to get others to see things from their stance. I get you want a more relaxed format. But this is just disorganized madness. There are plenty of comments made that are just blatantly not true. In this episode, Alex went in on the art style of EEnE, apparently not realizing the oddball art fit for a show about oddball kids. No other art style would have done the series justice. I like the idea, really, but if you don't make some changes, I doubt Madness will last. I want you guys to be successful, to have this new idea take off. That's why I'm offering constructive criticism. I could have gone the belligerent route, insulted you and called you names. But that doesn't help anyone. Instead, I'm pointing out the flaws I see, and offering at least an idea to work with so you can fix said flaws. I know I'm just some schmuck, and my opinion alone may not mean much, but there are others in the comments section unhappy with the current format of the show. I'm just trying to fix the leak before it becomes a problem. Do with my comments what you wish. I've said my piece, and that's all I can do.
I don’t think that would fix the problem you are specifying. The core problem I’m seeing with the show, according to the comments, is “I don’t understand why X show won/lost in Y bracket for Z reasons”. Because of the loose format of the show, where the debaters make their own criteria and try to sway the other debaters, it feels like the decisions are not made transparent, despite the entire debate being filmed on TH-cam. I think a full one-hour production is what was necessary, with individual interviews prior to and after the debate, to fully and completely understand what was going on in each debater’s head before they debated. The problem with this approach? The debate becomes less about the topic of debate, and becomes about the individual idiosyncrasies of the debaters. Why? Because the more you understand what’s going on in the debater’s mind, the less is focused on the actual topic of debate. Perhaps an actual solution is to strip out debate entirely, and leave the winner up to a community poll. That way, the debater’s individual decisions get drowned out by the collective opinion of the community. But then we lose the debate format entirely, and we lose the entire point of the show. Focusing on understanding the mind of the debater takes away from the debate topic, and focusing only on the debate topic loses focus on the insights from the individual debaters that only come out during the debate itself. It’s a really hard problem to solve :(
@@TheGenericZer0 Legit tho. The Sonic cartoon was good sh*t. Better than Ed EDD N Eddy.**edit** The first one that came out. Watched it on VHS back then
Totally agree. As kids, my friends and I always changed the channel when Ed Edd n Eddy was on. Not that we hated it, but it wasn't the type of show for us. And I never hear anyone talking about it now, so I'm a bit surprised to see how many (overly) passionate fans there still are. See TheGenericZer0 above for proof...
@@briannamcfarland5974 Same. As an adult I appreciate the music and animation, but as a kid the jokes never landed for me at all. I think the over-the-top slapstick weirdness made it more popular with younger kids and more casual viewers. It's very eye-catching which I think does a lot for it.
Alex man no disrespect but please stop bulldozing over everyone else. We know you have strong opinions but it's getting really tiring only hearing your voice the entire show and everyone else hardly being able to get a word in.
Yeah hes ruining the show and i really dont care about his entirely biased already made up opinions. Hes doing what Jared did but isn't joking about it. I didn't mind him before but this series makes me dislike him, not for his opinions on shows i like but just his lack of consideration for others and his demeaning nature of how he always gives "props" to the shows hes already X'd while just repeating the same points. We all know these shows are great but hes never given a reason why his shows that he favors are better. It's frustrating because everyone is so neutral about everything besides him so he has basically controlled whos won every round so far except for one.
Funny Green Man sucks that it’s been pre-recorded with the next season in advance. Hope he’s not a guest genuinely, it really isn’t fun anymore. We all know Batman is gonna win so I’m out after the courage 1v1v1
He's not bulldozing, he let's people talk whenever they want. He's just articulate. I don't agree with him most of the time, but he always raises great points and communicates them well.
When are they talking about E,E&E's jazz compositions... Every movement has been orchestrated which was huge! Every character being very dynamic, The inventions... How did they came up with that stuff? The slapstick visuals and sound effects, The take on the same few locations, The pacing of both the comedy and story in progress. The PPGirls didn't really had any of those... Also the way they beat up the "bad guys" even if nothing has happened yet... made me feel nauseous. I relate more to the villains, Also saying the eds are bad... They are very dynamic too... Eddy hides his fears through ignorant pride and Abuses because if his love self-esteem, Double D is highly intelligent both intellectually and psychologically and is the mother no one thinks he/she needs (But definitely does) Edd is a guy with a heart of gold he cares for his Friends and protects them and his Lil' big sis with his life he also can't read the room and is just about immune to pain... To name a few quirks. Always felt awkward when I watched PPGirls, Don't hate the show, But they have such a weird almost sadistic take on heroism... And dynamic isn't something you can find anywhere near them... As for DexL Just plain weird, annoying, And has so many bad endings I always felt bad when and after watching it... Which isn't much of a compliment in my book. Not for a show aimed for children at least.
I've said it in multiple episodes this season now, but really it bears repeating: next season needs *specific* criteria for what the winner of each matchup has. it's very noticeable in this season and even a bit in the last season that it seems like every episode the reasoning for why something wins changes, most noticeably between Ed Edd 'n Eddy vs Magic School Bus, then X-Men vs Arthur. MSB passed on because it meant more for the 90's, despite the group almost unanimously agreeing that EEnE was the more enjoyable show to watch today, then immediately flipping that reasoning in the next episode for the X-Men
Thanks for the comment section shout out PBG, ever changing metrics got a little frustrating in the last season, but explaining that on the fly arguments persuading people quickly in a chaotic debate show entitled, "madness" being part of the fun of how the show works makes a lot of sense. Camera work looks a little cleaner this go around as well, although the 2 shots are giving the subjects a bit of a haircut at times and could probably be a little wider, a wider focal length on those could help with getting crisper focus on the subjects of those tight shots as well. The white board serving as Background for PBJ close 2 shot is also a little distracting and hot on exposure. Be cool to have background dressing for the punched in shots as well, Having a ton of "Arthur" stuff in the background of PBJ's coverage would be funny and personal, I know he has plenty at his house lol! Keep up the good work, can't wait for season 3!
I love all three of these shows. But my most favorite out of the three is the Powerpuff Girls. I can relate to some of the girls. Plus they’re cute, kick ass, are funny, and action packed. And they have great songs. Awesome villains. I was so obsessed with them when I was a kid back in elementary school. I wore PPG PJs, played PPG Games (both board game and Gameboy Color video game), own plushies, a piggy bank, PPG blanket, pillow case, and sheet. I even drew the PPG when I was learning how to draw better, by first tracing them on a magazine. Other reasons why I love PPG: They have TARA STRONG, and TOM KENNY. They’re some of the best voice actors and actresses ever. Tara Strong who voiced Bubbles also voiced other great characters like Raven from Teen Titans. Ben from Ben 10. Dil from Rugrats Tom Kenny voiced Mayor and also voiced SPONGEBOB. Dog from CatDog. And more.
Powerpuff girls was my favorite show as a child, I dressed up as bubbles 2 years in a row for Halloween and blossom the next year lol. I even still have some episodes on dvd that I go back and watch sometimes. That being said, I really loved all 3 of these shows. From a less biased point of view, Ed Edd and Eddy was a really well made show and it did some great things, I feel like it’s more enjoyable for an older audience than powerpuff girls.
Ed Edd n Eddy is hands down the best show on Cartoon Network. It was the only show that I could actually smile and sometimes laugh at slapstick. It just stands out in so many ways such as the music, wavy art style, and the noises. It was truly a masterpiece and is all in our hearts and not on TV as a crappy reboot. Also, 600th comment! Woohoo!
Ed, Edd, n Eddy is my favorite cartoon of all time, but man, I feel like they did Dexter dirty. They talk about how the secondary cast played a huge role in both EEnE and PPG, but Dexter’s episode format allowed for an expanded universe within the show. Dial M for Monkey and the Justice Friends has some of the most memorable and best skits in the series. Also, Johnny Bravo is a great show and should be included in the discussion of best Cartoon Network cartoons.
Ed, Edd, 'n Eddy is a cacophony of creativity. I watched a ton of PPG as a kid, but nothing about it ever stood out as being particularly unique or inventive.
12:04 what the hell! if it wasn't about how impactful the shows were then why is ed, edd, and eddy in the losers bracket in the first place. not to mention animaniacs or courage. all those shows lost because they weren't as "impactful". i mean really, hey arnold over animaniacs? your arguments even proved animaniacs was the better show. so dont hit me with "its about which show is better not more impactful" now we are in the losers bracket
That's what I kept thinking, they are not at all consistent with the choices they make, or at least how they come to them. As much as we joke about the "True essence of an N64" it was at least the criteria that every game was being compared to, which made their choices more understandable regardless if you agreed or not. Here it goes from "what's the show I watched more as a kid" to "what's the show I'd rather watch now" to "which one do I not want erased from history"
Their arguments didn't prove that Animaniacs was the better show, their arguemnts lead to the conclusion that the two were very different shows, that couldn't really be compared directly. They voted Hey Arnold because that was the show they'd prefer to watch given the choice. It wasn't like the Magic School Bus thing where they were like, "yeah the show has bad animation, bad jokes, straight up teaches certain things incorrectly, and is overall unwatchable by today's standards, but for some reason we're gonna vote for it anyway".
I'm getting a bit tired of Alex honestly. He seems to go into every fight with a bias that no one could overcome, then spends the entire episode trying to justify his position by constantly changing the metrics of the argument to make sure his baby wins. PPG has a greater artistic statement? Where was that argument when Courage was up to bat?
FORGET YOU SHANE, that episode where Buttercup became Mange was hilarious, that was one of my favorites ;~; Anyway I'm really glad PPG took this one. I agree that EEnE is probably more "entertaining", in that you can just sort of pop it on and get some chuckles out of it and not really get tired of it. It's the kind of thing I put on in the background while I'm working. PPG is the kind of show where if I put it on while I'm working, I end up actually watching it. To me it's like EEnE is popcorn but PPG is a burger. Sure you can have a bunch of it and feel like you're eating, but the other one really satisfies. Plus I agree with Alex that its lasting impact is an important factor; I feel like he wasn't trying to say that it was the better show because it had such a lasting impact but rather that lasting impact is a testament to how good it was, and I feel the same way.
Well, he's saying that he personally likes EE&E more, but he's saying that he thinks PPG is the better show. Good on him for voting with logic rather than opinion.
3:57 - Honestly, one of my favorite episodes was when everybody was terrified of Edd, because they thought he was beating a bunch of kids up, and that episode took place in the school. I wouldn't count out those episodes. Also, kind of unrelated, but I thought the "Ed, Edd, 'n' Eddy" movie was super-great.
This is a hard episode cause only Dexter should be in the losers bracket (cause anyone against batman loses) but I think this was just another Alex talks about impact instead of what is the better show. I love all 3 of these shows, but I cant help that he is trying to make the bracket about what is "The Most Impactful" show. I like Alex, but this is not my favorite thing to see him in.
I think it would really benefit this series to have multiple criteria towards the final decision rather than a voted consensus. Like, voting on five categories rather than making five votes. The categories could be the topics often touched on like "nostalgia", "influence on viewers / future cartoons", "production quality", "lasting appeal / popularity", and "uniqueness / innovation". I think giving due credit to different aspects of the shows would both make viewers feel better about their favored show losing and would take the pressure of making the ultimate decision off of the last voters at the table.
I respect Alex and his opinion, but he seriously needs to just calm down and let the others talk about the shows. I feel the problem is with this series is Alex just rambles on and on about the show he likes and always links it back to why he likes that show while politely but also firmly puts down the other ones. I think Shane had some great things to say and I would have loved to see him Barry and PBG talk more about Ed Edd n Eddy as they have good opinions on the show but the conversation always drifted back with Alex talking about the style of PPG and the impact it had any moment the Eds were being talked about. Not dissing PPG as I love the show myself, but you especially when they knocked down Dexter right at the start you feel the conversation would be easier talking about two shows at equal length. I know Lee tries tying it back to give each show enough time, but I feel like with someone like Alex you need to take more effort bringing the conversation back to the others. Otherwise it's just him stating his opinion and not giving the others enough time to form their own.
OH THANK GOD YOU GUYS DID THIS RIGHT. Powerpuff Girls shouldn't have lost to SpongeBob, and it should be one of the top cartoons for sure... saying this as a straight, white, cisgendered male. You guys are awesome and there's no way you can possibly have enough knowledge about every single cartoon and video game in the world, but I don't feel any of you all are particularly knowledgeable about Powerpuff Girls. The writing was incredible, the jokes had way more depth, many of the stories were fleshed out. There's a reason why there's communities around Powerpuff Girls and why it got a movie... much of it is the visuals, much of it was the writing, much of it was how unique it was. It was clearly the best.
This round had me between PPG and EEnE. I absolutely adored both shows as a kid. PPG because it was a superhero show I could actually get into and the stories they had were pretty great and memorable. And had female characters that weren't just 'ditzy, damsels, or stuck up richies' (tho there were some characters that had those qualities, but there were also strong female characters) EEnE also had some nice episodes too of course. And had a variety of kids from culture/living styles. Seeing how the boys got out of the trouble they made was always interesting. The slapstick comedy had its shining moments and Edd brought a 'smart' edge to the crazy schemes. And a great unique art style, always loved the coloring and linework. However in the end I did end up feeling that PPG is the stronger show overall.
It's hard to watch this. They seem to have a minimal understanding of Ed Edd and Eddy. I love this series, I know the format of these brackets and show is subjective, but like Arthur, EE&E got the short end of the stick. So much more could've been said about it.
The fact that something is groundbreaking doesn’t necessarily mean that it is good. Mario 64 was groundbreaking in 3D gaming, and it is good because it still holds up to games of the genre 20years later. But if Superman 64 was the groundbreaking game, people will see 20years later that it sucked. Also I think the “explain yourself” button is something they should’ve kept in this show, so that people don’t have to say things over and over again. On the other hand, this is a new show. It’s filmed with a lot of content in short amount of time. That means it takes longer for us, the viewers, to see improvement. But I really love this series. I learn interesting things and it is entertaining. Keep it going guys! 👍🏻
I think that if they ever do another season of Madness about tv shows (or even just future episodes in general) they need to set up a criteria of what to compare the shows on to make it more consistent. Every episode so far has felt like they were debating a different reason on which show was better. Someone else pointed it out in the comments, but I think it's worth repeating; as much as we joke about the "essence of the N64" it did keep the conversations focused more on other things besides pure nostalgia. That feels absent here.
I get it. You have to put "Best 90's Cartoon" in the title instead of "our favorite 90's cartoon" because otherwise the youtube algorithm won't put you as high on the search results. But the problem is that you guys keep having things come down to personal taste while trying to sound like you have some kind of deeper knowledge on the subject. If this show had been called "Our Personal Picks for Best 90's Cartoon" and you all sat around just letting the nostalgia run wild, it would have been fine. Heck, it would have been great to just see some youtube personalities having a light-hearted discussion on old cartoons! But instead they can't seem to differentiate between opinion and subjective arguments and it's incredibly frustrating to listen to. Do you judge a show based pop culture impact, individual quality, or personal favoritism? It's probably a combination of the three, but you have to stay CONSISTENT. When it comes to pop culture impact, it's kinda hard to argue against Dexter's Lab. This was one of the first original shows Cartoon Network tried out. The success of the show spurred CN on to continue developing shows into the dozens of properties that have saturated pop culture today. How does it hold up in quality? Well, again this was a very early attempt by Genndy Tartakovsky and so it does suffer. And when he left the show in later seasons, it's quality drops again. You can definitely make the argument that while Dexter's Lab paved the way, it might not hold up wonderfully on its own today. The crew even mentions that Powerpuff Girls "seems like an evolution of Dexter's Lab" yet they don't immediately make the point that Genndy Tartakovsky and Craig McCracken cut their teeth on that show, so of course Powerpuff Girls is going to be a much better product. It definitely stands up better on its own merits today. As for cultural impact, this one one of the first big hits that had girls being the main protagonist and using violence to solve problems. In that way, it really did serve as an example that this kind of setup can actually be successful. I guarantee you that the marketing department would have been doubtful about Powerpuff Girls being a hit since--to them--boys wouldn't watch a "girl's show" and girls wouldn't watch a violent show. But it performed well and proved them wrong, making it easier for similar shows to get the greenlight in the future. Plus, the experience of working on Powerpuff Girls directly helped to make shows that appeared later like Samurai Jack and Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends turn out to be amazing productions. Then you have Ed, Edd, and Eddy, which was one of the last hurrahs of the slapstick comedy genre that was dying out. Cartoon Network was originally built on reruns of Hana-Barbara properties and most of them used that kind of slapstick humor. Plus it emulates a lot of Warner Bros. cartoons, which CN also hosted reruns of for a good chunk of its history before really getting devoted to original programming. Ed, Edd, and Eddy was a strange show at the time, but it knew exactly what it was and excelled at the job it set out to do. If you're not a fan of slapstick comedy, it's not going to be your thing. And unfortunately when Ed, Edd, and Eddy was in its prime, that style of humor wasn't hugely popular among Cartoon Network's audience. But for fans that had been dying for new cartoons that relished in zany violence, Ed, Edd, and Eddy was exactly what they were after, thus even today it has a lot of die-hard fans. Even after all this time, it still holds up as a great example of slapstick humor. However, when it comes to its overall pop culture impact, Ed, Edd, and Eddy has remained pretty much a cult classic. It didn't catch on due to the environment of TV at the time and thus it kinda faded away rather than opening the door for new stuff. Out of the three shows it probably holds up the best (though you can definitely argue PPG as well), it just didn't make the same pop culture splash. So which is the best? That's not really my point. My point is you have all these facts that you can get from just browsing over each show's wikipedia page fifteen minutes before you start filming and you'll be way better informed when you start discussing things. Rewatching a show now does nothing unless you remember watching the show --in the environment when it aired--! Rewatching lets you more accurately remember a show now so you can judge it on how well it's stood up since its original airing, but if you're just being introduced to the show they you really should keep your points to how it's objectively impacted pop culture history. Madness has become frustrating to watch because it presents itself as trying to make an informed decision when the panel doesn't seem to be very informed on the subject. Not only that, but there's no clear scale as to whether objectively good, culturally impactful, or personal favorite shows win each round. Again, if this had just been friends going full nostalgia-mode on these shows to pick their favorites, it would have been enjoyable even if I disagreed with their choices. The guys on the panel are genuinely great people who are fun to watch. Plus the production quality of Madness itself is quite good, as you'd expect from a team of youtube veterans. But it's clear they're pretending to have some kind of authority because that's what sells in the youtube algorithm. Since I can also game the algorithm in my small way, I'm not going to click on any more Madness videos for this series. Maybe next time they'll have polished their game and I'm still rooting for the Normal Boots channel.
you know what I read every single thing you wrote and it was a really interesting thing and very good points, but just comparing to the show it felts lacking, I looove Barry and was expecting a lot more of him when he replaced Jared ('cause Alex is the one for his brother), and the N64 bracket felt a lot more cohesive and easier to get each show (ffs SMB vs MP got me mad, but I got why they choose what they chose)
In decent respect of powerpuff girls, no one from Ed, Edd, and Eddy or Dexter's Lab made it into Gorillaz. That being said, I'd have picked the Ed bois.
Don't get me wrong, I love Barry, but there's times where his comments seem a bit passive aggressive in response to Alex, but that's his analytical side speaking I feel. Although, I will say that Alex talks out of his ass with good intent so there's times where he can contradict himself. So I can see why Barry would respond in that way, but I digress. I think this perfectly embodies Madness 😂
@dwinters62 Yesss. He's always saying how the shows overall impacted culture, but he is so passionately enthusiastic about it that it just turns to his preference and taste
He deserves agression because he is dictating this show and its extremely boring listening to him repeat the same points over and over. Its a discussion show and it should be more heated and less one sided and people should have to back themselves up with valid points after they are challenged. They hardly even talk about the shows because they are too busy relating them to other things and reminding me of why they are important rather than why they are good
It would be nice if you guys had a more specific criteria. Best 90s show. Best show to still watch? Show that influenced the most? The show in which you have the best memories for? I mean I feel the lack of a specific criteria is the reason for the name Madness but honestly i feel the show may play better with a point for point look at things of "Settings plots styles main characters supporting characters etc." adjust as need be for competition. obviously i can look for a different show to find these things possibly, but I assume there is a level of viewer feedback that is considered here. Example for last season: The best N64 game. Is the game the best N64 game? Or did it just influence a lot of other games? Does it still play well? If you were given this game to play, would it still be worth your time to play it? or would you be frustrated at it for not holding up like you remember. ETC TLDR: More specific Criteria for judging things as "the best ____" not "the most influential____" or "The most likely to get me out of reading in class"
This is one of the few episodes where they actually came to a conclusion I enjoyed. Still can't believe Arthur lost to Xmen, although I am glad that Ed lost to Magic School Bus.
I wish the random clips weren’t, you know, random. Like, when they were talking about Bubbles’ Spanish, they could put a short clip of that. Clips relating to the topic at hand.
EE&E Pros: Has a unique art style that sets it apart. Has many sounds you can identify from the show. Has definitely more humor and gags for children, teens and adults. Episodes can take any turn, its not always a win or lose. The characters were all weird but relatable in their own ways. Didn't feel all that dated. PPG Pros: Show could be picked up by anyone, boy or girl. Had moral episodes that taught lessons. Interesting Villains,(although if you look at them, you realize they were kinda racist depictions of some groups, so that could be a down side.) Stories that could expand the city. Character development. I vote Ed ,Edd, and Eddy.
I never really watched Power Puff Girls as a kid, it was rarely the best show to watch at any given time, but I still remember enjoying it when I did. Dexter's Lab I probably watched more often, and I absolutely hated it, I don't know why I ever would have watched it, somebody else must have had control of the remote, but I hated Dexter's Lab, I always felt so bored watching it. Ed Edd 'n Eddy I watched A TON of as a kid, it was hillarious! If I was to sit down and watch one of those shows, easily Ed Edd ' n Eddy. However, the legacy it had and its impact on culture and cartoons, is nonexistent. Power Puff Girls on the other hand, left a greater impact as it was one of the first popular female shows, and superheroine shows of all time. It undeniably did a lot for the industry, so ultimately, with no doubt in my mind, X-Men TAS would have to win this round. :3 I honestly hope that becomes a running gag in this show tho, where it seems really one sided, and then at the end someone immediately votes for the the "worse" one or just says "I'm gonna have to go with X-Men bc yea".
I remember Blossom speaking Japanese. Bubbles speaks to animals (or maybe just squirrels?). I don't remember any of the 3 speaking Spanish, but I could be wrong.
I can actually agree with just about everything this vid, a previous comment of mine on a Madness was sided on EEE side and I had named off a few that tied for 1st making rugrats 5th...then I had 2 edits as the video had went on and more occured to me that I categorized as different in my head and heart for multiple reasons as not 'regular' cartoons and being different, like anime being different as well even though it is all animated. Without the whole rehash, I had forgot the powerpuffs as well, they may push out rugrats in my top 5 if I ever had to make my own definitive list for the 90s, and while I wouldave placed EEE above the Powerpuffs in my own, I have no issue respecting anybody who place the PP over EEE, and Dexter is freaking awesome but definitely doesnt stand against either PP or EEE.
Tough decision but I'd go with the same order. PPG > EE&E > Dexter. I think Dexter just got annoying after seeing it reran so many more times than the other two. I believe it's the oldest so makes sense.
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I feel like we made a mistake.
You made a mistake in the Magic School Bus episode, but you didn't make a mistake here.
I'm just glad you mentioned the EEnE movie. Such a great ending to the show. I literally teared up while watching it toward the end.
You did
Ya didn't EEnE is only fresh in peoples minds because of the recent uploads of their episodes all over youtube kinda like the opposite of johnny test ( that and there's no crappy reboot of it yet)
Yeah Dexter's lab was amazing.
Should have been my bois.
You have the right idea Shane.
DidYouKnowYou'reCorrect?
Still the best person on the show Shane.
Agreed
100%
I hate the fact that the animation of Ed Edd n Eddy is not being talked about at all. That show is a master class of how to animate a cartoon, and that’s because that was a major sticking point for Its creator. It was one of the last major shows to use traditional animation for every freaking frame, and it’s freaking gorgeous. The art style itself may not be for everyone, but that animation is unparalleled.
How can you talk about Ed, Edd n Eddy twice and NOT talk about the music or the sound effects?
This! The free form jazz musical style and the various amount of avant garde sound effects fits the uniquely chaotic nature of the show. No other cartoon at the time had this going for them.
EXACTLY
Or the fact that the outlines on the characters wiggle around and stuff
Well...because they did already in a previous episode. You’ve got to remember that they are sitting in one room over like 1-2 days filming this, so it’s hard to remember what has and has not been spoken about already. Even then, those previous arguments are still circulating in their heads.
I literally don't remember either and I used to watch it everyday as a kid 😅
Ed, Edd & Eddy hands down, PPG is a great show but EE&E is the purest form of what a cartoon is and it's one of the funniest that ever came out of Cartoon Network
Arcademan09 *cough* DEXTER * cough*
The Eds were so close. If Barry just gave in and admitted he loves Ed, Edd, n, Eddy. It seems like the Eds lost both times because someone voted against it despite admitting it was the better show.
I feel like Barry forced his own hand with his previous MSB argument. If he didn't choose PPG he'd probably feel like a hypocrite. At least that's how I viewed it. I still can't believe EEnE lost to MSB honestly.
@@PollyBonanzas EEnE vs MSB is by far the most controversial of the madness episodes in my opinion. Just watching the video, then hearing their conclusion is painful.
@Queueby Doo To be honest. Casablanca put me to sleep. The Room didn't lol. But I'm no film major.
No respect for my boy Dexter 😢
Snoman Gaming oh hey snoman
I knoooow, Dexter was my favorite as a child, powerpuff girls was the girls show, but it worked in the end, because it was the same part of CN shows (and I get why they are at the top here), but Ed, Edd n Eddy was the less funny of the group (for more adults one could work) ...but as a kid in the 90s the fight was Dexter vs PPG.
I think it was hands down the funniest of the three. Genndy Tarakovsky has a really unique sense of humor and I think the timing of the jokes was usually super on point thanks to his direction. Also it had the best rap album.
The fact that Ed, Edd n Eddy lastest the longest of ALL of the Cartoon Cartoons, BY FAR, should speak for itself on being the best Cartoon Network show.
Spongebob Squarepants
@@devoutdesciple
Best "Cartoon Network" show ever... Wait...
But only one of them got a theatrical movie.
All 3 of the ones here got movies tho. Not all theatrical, but they all got movies. Can't comment which one's best since I never saw the PPG movie, but Big Picture Show is phenomenal, and Ego Trip is pretty amazing too.
@@Pik3rob all three movies were great, and if anything unforgettable and great came from Dexter, it was Ego Trip. The Ed movie was amazing as well, but in a different way. The PPG movie was good too, and the only theatrical one, but imo the worst of the three.
The reason you don’t see people cosplay as EEnE characters as much is because they’re in regular kids clothes and half of the boys don’t have more than 3 hairs.
Dexter's Lab was the Mario Kart 64 of this bracket
I believe that's more credit it deserves.
..with Ed Edd N Eddy being the Super Smash Bros. (N64) of it.
Poyotrap Not exactly, cause Ed, Edd, N Eddy was better.
i'd like to see valid reasons why Dexter's Lab is bad... and the fandom here to defend it all the while.
@@pathogenofdecay It's not that it's bad, it's that it's not as good as these other great shows in the opinion of these dudes on the internet and lost to what I think will probably be the eventual winner, as MK64 did
No more disrespect to Ed Edd'n Eddy Please
Being underrated is disgraceful on itself for such a masterpiece.
That would be quite dull
Please keep ripping it to the shows as you see fit Mr.Boots
*Ed Edd n Eddy H A N D S D O W N*
Agree
Definitely
No question... Don't even see a reason to debate this...
So then we know it's not going to win. At this point I'm concerned as to whether or not Batman will win.
"Well Batman may be the better show in every conceivable way, but I'm gonna have to give it to this other show because (bullshit) (bullshit)"
Amen
that guy REALLY likes power puff girls
and i didnt even have to mention his name because you know who im talking about
is his name the Harvard Yard? Cause then u right
As a stickler for animation, the conversation about the style of Powerpuff Girls and how it "inspired" the visuals of future shows really irked me. Lee called it out. It's cheap. And it "inspired" the visuals of future shows because it's cheap. Sacrificing artistic quality for the sake of cutting costs should not be praised.
Ed, Edd, N Eddy is the better show in every way, shape, and form.
CSquared ohhhh my god that was the most annoying argument. I guess Flash animation is the definitive animation style by that logic.
I normally don't say anything about these but PPG has a cookiecutter artstyle because it was cheap and easy. Ed Edd and Eddy was specifically made with an artistic intention, relaxed loose and chaotic.
ED EDD EDDY,s slapstick humor appeals to people with foreign languages because its the only type of humor everyone can relate to
That’s an argument that COULD HAVE WON THE SHOW maybe idk...
Still gonna throw this one in:
Artistic value: Every episode is fully orchestrated...
Yeah not much of an artistic standpoint, Oh no sir...
Every show had that at the time...
Only took hours upon hours of extra work... No biggie.
Totally "not" being sarcastic here oh no sir.
Dunno man! A lot of the humor and situations in EE&E are very American. I live in Mexico and really liked EE&E (the dub was godlike); the slapstick is universal, but everything else is not too easy to relate to for foreigners, at least in my opinion.
Yeah, but Bubbles speaks Spanish once.
The wrath of Arthur and PBG is coming next episode,,,, i can't wait!!!
Lol if Arthur doesn't win he's gonna quitx
Edit: quit* I can spell
They have shown they don't understand much about courage, so itmight behard to watch in that episode.
My prediction is it loses to Animaniacs. But I don't think it should. My nostalgia would put Arthur right in the finals.
Am I the only one that wonders what the white thing around PBG's neck is?
I was wondering what that thing is too.
these episodes are like you comparing games without talking about the gameplay..
Sir Goose genuinely curious, what would you consider the equivalent to gameplay in a cartoon? I don’t agree with about 90% of this bracket so I’m actually wanting to know what you mean
@@BradsGonnaPlay There is no cartoon equivalent to gameplay because everything else about a cartoon can be compared to a game.
Is Phineas and Ferb in the "Kids in a culdesac", or "Smart kids on the block" genre?
Yes
Smart with quotation marks if we're taking E-E-N-E... Double D is... But honestly XD
Kids on the block, like Peanuts or Little Rascals
Probably.
Please either setup a criteria of what you’re going to judge each show by. Or establish everyone’s initial vote and have them defend their choice and challenge the other show’s points. It would make everything a bit more fair. Alex talked about Powerpuff Girls for about 75% of this episode which doesn’t seem fair.
Stargirl114 yea, they don't have the best format. Maybe next season will be more rigid in its choices.
They don't know much about the shows either.
I agree. It's getting tiring watching "What shows does Alex like?" Instead of the best 90s cartoon
at least in the N64, they had the criteria for best N64 game, so it made sense how Goldeneye got a win ... but this here doesn't feel like as a kid in the 90s which series was better, but NOW which one they like more (specially in the case of Alex)
This matchup was the ALMIGHTY THREE SHOE BEATING!
This is tough. I mean Dexter had some brilliant writing. The Speedracer episode was soooooo amazing. Then you had sillier episodes, like the dog trying to tell him something, and let's not forget about the Monkey segments.
PPG was my jam at the time though. The villians, side characters, and the anime style action. Great stuff!
E,E, AND E wasn't necessarily a bad show. It just came at a time when I wasn't invested in the Cartoon Network. Rewatching it now, I can see why it's great. But nostalgia plays a huge role. So it's at the bottom of my list.
The number one Dexter episode that stands out for me is the cheese omelette episode. There's also some great episodes from the series after they updated the art. I loved the Dad episodes and the Mandark episodes a lot. But Ego Trip was the best Dexter thing ever. They need to release it on Blu-Ray.
Still, I'd go for EEnE as the best show. I've probably laughed more from the Eds than Dexter and PPG combined.
the speedracer one was friggin great, I loved when Dexter went superhero and had his Dexbot that was suddenly tinnier than Mandark's and Deedee's.
Of these three I give it to the Eds, and what really sealed it was the question of “how many episodes/stories stick out in your mind.” I remember FAR more individual gags and episode plots from EE&E than either of the other two.
edd ed and eddy wins the whole thing for me and i no longer have any positive connection to powerpuff girls after this video thanks madness
So... does Alex talk to much, or does everyone else just not talk enough.
Henry K. Alex is just the most opinionated and I think the only one who went into every episode 100% knowing what he was voting for every time
everybody else doesnt talk enough
I think it's really between Shane and Alex. Alex talks a ton, and Shane doesn't say a ton, but he makes by far the best points. He's just more concise with it.
I know right? It feel like he just pick his favorite then just start throwing out a bunch of pretensions shit that doesn't matter but makes it sound like he knows his shit, Shane probably makes the best points but he rarely says anything.
Ok, I have to say, I don't hate the big guy, not at all, and infact I do the same thing, I was just pointing something out.
I would've put Ed Edd n Eddy at number 1 honestly
maybe this is somewhat controversial but I definitely think EEnE had the most sophisticated humor of these three shows, on top of the basic slapstick that anybody could get into
Has there been a single round where they didn't say either "These are so different, they're hard to compare" or "These two are so similar, they're tough to compare"?
Ed Edd n Eddy has one of the best art directions in this Madness, second only to Batman. The character design is fantastic and unique and the animation not only has perfectly timed slapstick, but also that style where the lines are constantly moving and uneven fits the show really well and sets it apart.
AND DONT GET ME STARTED ON THE SOUND DESIGN
Ed Edd & Eddy for life
I like that Alex keeps talking about what Powderpuff Girls brought to the table and yet he keeps forgetting that Ed Edd n Eddy went far longer. It is also the longest running show for CN. So the Eds were doing something right to keep it on the air for that long.
Honestly, Peebins touched on one of the main apeals of Madness in this episode; it is fundamentally a show where a group of friends sit down and have the kind of dumb arguments we all have with our friends. It's fun to watch a different group of people talk about which X is ths best and why, even if I don't always agree with them.
Growing up as a kid in the 90s, I didn't have the internet to browse through, or a huge collection of games to play. I spent my time away from school running around outside, making my own adventures with my friends. No other cartoon captured that same feeling of real childhood wonder and imagination quite like what EEnE did. Granted, it wasn't the smartest show in the world, or any bit socially groundbreaking, but it truly encapsulated what it felt like to be a kid in the 90s
There better be an Ed Edd n Eddy redemption episode...
Ed Edd n Eddy without a shadow of the doubt, my argument is that Ed Edd and Eddy had more character than Blossom , Bubbles, and Buttercup ever had
Uh Ed edd and eddy only had nazz jimmy plank Johnny Sarah Kevin
Ed Ed and Eddy was the LAST show to leave air AND was one of he Last hand animated show on air
Glad that there were no editing errors this episode. Keep up the good work!
I've made several comments this video in response to people, but I figured making something standalone would be wise as well.
The entire premise of Madness is a good idea. Debating what show or game was the best could have lead to some very interesting retrospection into each person's history and how they view things. But that's not how this is going down.
You guys really didn't think this through, from what I've seen. No ground rules have been set. Games and shows have lost for the same reason another won. Comments are made that constantly contradict the point being made, and most minds are made up before the episode even films.
You guys really need to retool this idea. Set ground rules. Start each episode by saying your votes, then debate. At the end, see if anyone changed their minds. Have people defend their viewpoint while also trying to get others to see things from their stance. I get you want a more relaxed format. But this is just disorganized madness.
There are plenty of comments made that are just blatantly not true. In this episode, Alex went in on the art style of EEnE, apparently not realizing the oddball art fit for a show about oddball kids. No other art style would have done the series justice.
I like the idea, really, but if you don't make some changes, I doubt Madness will last. I want you guys to be successful, to have this new idea take off. That's why I'm offering constructive criticism. I could have gone the belligerent route, insulted you and called you names. But that doesn't help anyone. Instead, I'm pointing out the flaws I see, and offering at least an idea to work with so you can fix said flaws.
I know I'm just some schmuck, and my opinion alone may not mean much, but there are others in the comments section unhappy with the current format of the show. I'm just trying to fix the leak before it becomes a problem. Do with my comments what you wish. I've said my piece, and that's all I can do.
I don’t think that would fix the problem you are specifying.
The core problem I’m seeing with the show, according to the comments, is “I don’t understand why X show won/lost in Y bracket for Z reasons”.
Because of the loose format of the show, where the debaters make their own criteria and try to sway the other debaters, it feels like the decisions are not made transparent, despite the entire debate being filmed on TH-cam.
I think a full one-hour production is what was necessary, with individual interviews prior to and after the debate, to fully and completely understand what was going on in each debater’s head before they debated.
The problem with this approach? The debate becomes less about the topic of debate, and becomes about the individual idiosyncrasies of the debaters. Why? Because the more you understand what’s going on in the debater’s mind, the less is focused on the actual topic of debate.
Perhaps an actual solution is to strip out debate entirely, and leave the winner up to a community poll. That way, the debater’s individual decisions get drowned out by the collective opinion of the community.
But then we lose the debate format entirely, and we lose the entire point of the show.
Focusing on understanding the mind of the debater takes away from the debate topic, and focusing only on the debate topic loses focus on the insights from the individual debaters that only come out during the debate itself.
It’s a really hard problem to solve :(
You have to talk about ee&e's sound design, absolutely remarkable
For a show I constantly ignored in Cartoon Network, Ed, Edd n Eddy sure is popular
Probably cuz most people with real tastes who loved the show weren't cringey Sonic fans named mechashadow.
@@TheGenericZer0 Legit tho. The Sonic cartoon was good sh*t. Better than Ed EDD N Eddy.**edit** The first one that came out. Watched it on VHS back then
Totally agree. As kids, my friends and I always changed the channel when Ed Edd n Eddy was on. Not that we hated it, but it wasn't the type of show for us. And I never hear anyone talking about it now, so I'm a bit surprised to see how many (overly) passionate fans there still are. See TheGenericZer0 above for proof...
@@briannamcfarland5974 Same. As an adult I appreciate the music and animation, but as a kid the jokes never landed for me at all. I think the over-the-top slapstick weirdness made it more popular with younger kids and more casual viewers. It's very eye-catching which I think does a lot for it.
Alex man no disrespect but please stop bulldozing over everyone else. We know you have strong opinions but it's getting really tiring only hearing your voice the entire show and everyone else hardly being able to get a word in.
I mainly find it more annoying that his opinion can't be changed for anything.
This bracket is literally “what shows does Alex like?”
Yeah hes ruining the show and i really dont care about his entirely biased already made up opinions. Hes doing what Jared did but isn't joking about it. I didn't mind him before but this series makes me dislike him, not for his opinions on shows i like but just his lack of consideration for others and his demeaning nature of how he always gives "props" to the shows hes already X'd while just repeating the same points. We all know these shows are great but hes never given a reason why his shows that he favors are better. It's frustrating because everyone is so neutral about everything besides him so he has basically controlled whos won every round so far except for one.
Funny Green Man sucks that it’s been pre-recorded with the next season in advance. Hope he’s not a guest genuinely, it really isn’t fun anymore. We all know Batman is gonna win so I’m out after the courage 1v1v1
He's not bulldozing, he let's people talk whenever they want. He's just articulate. I don't agree with him most of the time, but he always raises great points and communicates them well.
When are they talking about E,E&E's jazz compositions...
Every movement has been orchestrated which was huge!
Every character being very dynamic, The inventions... How did they came up with that stuff?
The slapstick visuals and sound effects, The take on the same few locations, The pacing of both the comedy and story in progress.
The PPGirls didn't really had any of those...
Also the way they beat up the
"bad guys" even if nothing has happened yet... made me feel nauseous.
I relate more to the villains,
Also saying the eds are bad...
They are very dynamic too...
Eddy hides his fears through ignorant pride and Abuses because if his love self-esteem, Double D is highly intelligent both intellectually and psychologically and is the mother no one thinks he/she needs (But definitely does) Edd is a guy with a heart of gold he cares for his Friends and protects them and his Lil' big sis with his life he also can't read the room and is just about immune to pain...
To name a few quirks.
Always felt awkward when I watched PPGirls, Don't hate the show, But they have such a weird almost sadistic take on heroism...
And dynamic isn't something you can find anywhere near them...
As for DexL Just plain weird, annoying, And has so many bad endings I always felt bad when and after watching it... Which isn't much of a compliment in my book.
Not for a show aimed for children at least.
I've said it in multiple episodes this season now, but really it bears repeating: next season needs *specific* criteria for what the winner of each matchup has. it's very noticeable in this season and even a bit in the last season that it seems like every episode the reasoning for why something wins changes, most noticeably between Ed Edd 'n Eddy vs Magic School Bus, then X-Men vs Arthur. MSB passed on because it meant more for the 90's, despite the group almost unanimously agreeing that EEnE was the more enjoyable show to watch today, then immediately flipping that reasoning in the next episode for the X-Men
Ed Edd and Eddie. Out of all these shows is the only one I've gone back and watched
Thanks for the comment section shout out PBG, ever changing metrics got a little frustrating in the last season, but explaining that on the fly arguments persuading people quickly in a chaotic debate show entitled, "madness" being part of the fun of how the show works makes a lot of sense. Camera work looks a little cleaner this go around as well, although the 2 shots are giving the subjects a bit of a haircut at times and could probably be a little wider, a wider focal length on those could help with getting crisper focus on the subjects of those tight shots as well. The white board serving as Background for PBJ close 2 shot is also a little distracting and hot on exposure. Be cool to have background dressing for the punched in shots as well, Having a ton of "Arthur" stuff in the background of PBJ's coverage would be funny and personal, I know he has plenty at his house lol! Keep up the good work, can't wait for season 3!
I love all three of these shows.
But my most favorite out of the three is the Powerpuff Girls.
I can relate to some of the girls. Plus they’re cute, kick ass, are funny, and action packed.
And they have great songs.
Awesome villains.
I was so obsessed with them when I was a kid back in elementary school.
I wore PPG PJs, played PPG Games (both board game and Gameboy Color video game), own plushies, a piggy bank, PPG blanket, pillow case, and sheet.
I even drew the PPG when I was learning how to draw better, by first tracing them on a magazine.
Other reasons why I love PPG:
They have TARA STRONG, and TOM KENNY. They’re some of the best voice actors and actresses ever.
Tara Strong who voiced Bubbles also voiced other great characters like Raven from Teen Titans.
Ben from Ben 10.
Dil from Rugrats
Tom Kenny voiced Mayor and also voiced SPONGEBOB.
Dog from CatDog.
And more.
Powerpuff girls was my favorite show as a child, I dressed up as bubbles 2 years in a row for Halloween and blossom the next year lol. I even still have some episodes on dvd that I go back and watch sometimes. That being said, I really loved all 3 of these shows. From a less biased point of view, Ed Edd and Eddy was a really well made show and it did some great things, I feel like it’s more enjoyable for an older audience than powerpuff girls.
Ed Edd n Eddy is hands down the best show on Cartoon Network. It was the only show that I could actually smile and sometimes laugh at slapstick. It just stands out in so many ways such as the music, wavy art style, and the noises. It was truly a masterpiece and is all in our hearts and not on TV as a crappy reboot.
Also, 600th comment! Woohoo!
I'm waiting for Shane to reach across the table and slap Alex.
Ed, Edd, n Eddy is my favorite cartoon of all time, but man, I feel like they did Dexter dirty. They talk about how the secondary cast played a huge role in both EEnE and PPG, but Dexter’s episode format allowed for an expanded universe within the show. Dial M for Monkey and the Justice Friends has some of the most memorable and best skits in the series.
Also, Johnny Bravo is a great show and should be included in the discussion of best Cartoon Network cartoons.
Ed, Edd, 'n Eddy is a cacophony of creativity. I watched a ton of PPG as a kid, but nothing about it ever stood out as being particularly unique or inventive.
it may be a stock plot but that episode where Buttercup refuses to take a bath is probably one of the better versions of that stock plot
12:04 what the hell! if it wasn't about how impactful the shows were then why is ed, edd, and eddy in the losers bracket in the first place. not to mention animaniacs or courage. all those shows lost because they weren't as "impactful". i mean really, hey arnold over animaniacs? your arguments even proved animaniacs was the better show. so dont hit me with "its about which show is better not more impactful" now we are in the losers bracket
That's what I kept thinking, they are not at all consistent with the choices they make, or at least how they come to them.
As much as we joke about the "True essence of an N64" it was at least the criteria that every game was being compared to, which made their choices more understandable regardless if you agreed or not.
Here it goes from "what's the show I watched more as a kid" to "what's the show I'd rather watch now" to "which one do I not want erased from history"
Their arguments didn't prove that Animaniacs was the better show, their arguemnts lead to the conclusion that the two were very different shows, that couldn't really be compared directly. They voted Hey Arnold because that was the show they'd prefer to watch given the choice. It wasn't like the Magic School Bus thing where they were like, "yeah the show has bad animation, bad jokes, straight up teaches certain things incorrectly, and is overall unwatchable by today's standards, but for some reason we're gonna vote for it anyway".
I'm getting a bit tired of Alex honestly. He seems to go into every fight with a bias that no one could overcome, then spends the entire episode trying to justify his position by constantly changing the metrics of the argument to make sure his baby wins. PPG has a greater artistic statement? Where was that argument when Courage was up to bat?
I SWEAR TO GOD IF ED EDD N EDDY DOESN"T WIN!!!1
So uh, how you doin?
Frederic:
CHOOSE YOU GOD AND PRAY!
I believe the same applies here too :/
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@@levischuurmans9400 Sigh... You right!
Levi #9932 is that a jojo reference?
FORGET YOU SHANE, that episode where Buttercup became Mange was hilarious, that was one of my favorites ;~;
Anyway I'm really glad PPG took this one.
I agree that EEnE is probably more "entertaining", in that you can just sort of pop it on and get some chuckles out of it and not really get tired of it. It's the kind of thing I put on in the background while I'm working. PPG is the kind of show where if I put it on while I'm working, I end up actually watching it. To me it's like EEnE is popcorn but PPG is a burger. Sure you can have a bunch of it and feel like you're eating, but the other one really satisfies.
Plus I agree with Alex that its lasting impact is an important factor; I feel like he wasn't trying to say that it was the better show because it had such a lasting impact but rather that lasting impact is a testament to how good it was, and I feel the same way.
"I wouldnt enjoy it now if I watched it, but powerpuff girls"
Logic.
Well, he's saying that he personally likes EE&E more, but he's saying that he thinks PPG is the better show. Good on him for voting with logic rather than opinion.
Thats not logic that is not having a strong enough opinion and not talking for 15 minutes to convince others to think wrongly and regret it later
3:57 - Honestly, one of my favorite episodes was when everybody was terrified of Edd, because they thought he was beating a bunch of kids up, and that episode took place in the school. I wouldn't count out those episodes.
Also, kind of unrelated, but I thought the "Ed, Edd, 'n' Eddy" movie was super-great.
Ed Edd n Eddy should've won this whole bracket. It may have "just" been a comedy show, but it was absolutely the best comedy show out there.
This is a hard episode cause only Dexter should be in the losers bracket (cause anyone against batman loses) but I think this was just another Alex talks about impact instead of what is the better show. I love all 3 of these shows, but I cant help that he is trying to make the bracket about what is "The Most Impactful" show. I like Alex, but this is not my favorite thing to see him in.
This show is beauiful. Thanks, @normalboots
I think it would really benefit this series to have multiple criteria towards the final decision rather than a voted consensus. Like, voting on five categories rather than making five votes. The categories could be the topics often touched on like "nostalgia", "influence on viewers / future cartoons", "production quality", "lasting appeal / popularity", and "uniqueness / innovation". I think giving due credit to different aspects of the shows would both make viewers feel better about their favored show losing and would take the pressure of making the ultimate decision off of the last voters at the table.
First round of the losers bracket and it’s Ed, Edd n’ Eddy, Powerpuff Girls and Dexter’s Laboratory. HOW DID THIS HAPPEN?
I respect Alex and his opinion, but he seriously needs to just calm down and let the others talk about the shows. I feel the problem is with this series is Alex just rambles on and on about the show he likes and always links it back to why he likes that show while politely but also firmly puts down the other ones.
I think Shane had some great things to say and I would have loved to see him Barry and PBG talk more about Ed Edd n Eddy as they have good opinions on the show but the conversation always drifted back with Alex talking about the style of PPG and the impact it had any moment the Eds were being talked about.
Not dissing PPG as I love the show myself, but you especially when they knocked down Dexter right at the start you feel the conversation would be easier talking about two shows at equal length. I know Lee tries tying it back to give each show enough time, but I feel like with someone like Alex you need to take more effort bringing the conversation back to the others. Otherwise it's just him stating his opinion and not giving the others enough time to form their own.
OH THANK GOD YOU GUYS DID THIS RIGHT. Powerpuff Girls shouldn't have lost to SpongeBob, and it should be one of the top cartoons for sure... saying this as a straight, white, cisgendered male. You guys are awesome and there's no way you can possibly have enough knowledge about every single cartoon and video game in the world, but I don't feel any of you all are particularly knowledgeable about Powerpuff Girls. The writing was incredible, the jokes had way more depth, many of the stories were fleshed out. There's a reason why there's communities around Powerpuff Girls and why it got a movie... much of it is the visuals, much of it was the writing, much of it was how unique it was. It was clearly the best.
This round had me between PPG and EEnE. I absolutely adored both shows as a kid.
PPG because it was a superhero show I could actually get into and the stories they had were pretty great and memorable. And had female characters that weren't just 'ditzy, damsels, or stuck up richies' (tho there were some characters that had those qualities, but there were also strong female characters)
EEnE also had some nice episodes too of course. And had a variety of kids from culture/living styles. Seeing how the boys got out of the trouble they made was always interesting. The slapstick comedy had its shining moments and Edd brought a 'smart' edge to the crazy schemes. And a great unique art style, always loved the coloring and linework.
However in the end I did end up feeling that PPG is the stronger show overall.
Kate Wolf
Same.
It's hard to watch this. They seem to have a minimal understanding of Ed Edd and Eddy. I love this series, I know the format of these brackets and show is subjective, but like Arthur, EE&E got the short end of the stick. So much more could've been said about it.
"Super strength, flying, speaking Spanish"
Bubbles should be a luchador.
The fact that something is groundbreaking doesn’t necessarily mean that it is good.
Mario 64 was groundbreaking in 3D gaming, and it is good because it still holds up to games of the genre 20years later. But if Superman 64 was the groundbreaking game, people will see 20years later that it sucked.
Also I think the “explain yourself” button is something they should’ve kept in this show, so that people don’t have to say things over and over again.
On the other hand, this is a new show. It’s filmed with a lot of content in short amount of time. That means it takes longer for us, the viewers, to see improvement.
But I really love this series. I learn interesting things and it is entertaining. Keep it going guys! 👍🏻
You guys should invoke a veto power on your format. Mainly saying how da ef is Rocko not on this. Cmon guys you know better.
Rocko is the 90's, it would win not even competition.
Ed, Edd n Eddy going 0-2 makes me question the this entire bracket lol
I like all of these guys but man... their taste of 90s cartoons was really bad
"There's an episode about Bubbles not taking a bath."
And there's an episode of Ed, Edd, n, Eddy about Double D trying to take a shower.
I think that if they ever do another season of Madness about tv shows (or even just future episodes in general) they need to set up a criteria of what to compare the shows on to make it more consistent. Every episode so far has felt like they were debating a different reason on which show was better. Someone else pointed it out in the comments, but I think it's worth repeating; as much as we joke about the "essence of the N64" it did keep the conversations focused more on other things besides pure nostalgia. That feels absent here.
I get it. You have to put "Best 90's Cartoon" in the title instead of "our favorite 90's cartoon" because otherwise the youtube algorithm won't put you as high on the search results. But the problem is that you guys keep having things come down to personal taste while trying to sound like you have some kind of deeper knowledge on the subject. If this show had been called "Our Personal Picks for Best 90's Cartoon" and you all sat around just letting the nostalgia run wild, it would have been fine. Heck, it would have been great to just see some youtube personalities having a light-hearted discussion on old cartoons! But instead they can't seem to differentiate between opinion and subjective arguments and it's incredibly frustrating to listen to. Do you judge a show based pop culture impact, individual quality, or personal favoritism? It's probably a combination of the three, but you have to stay CONSISTENT.
When it comes to pop culture impact, it's kinda hard to argue against Dexter's Lab. This was one of the first original shows Cartoon Network tried out. The success of the show spurred CN on to continue developing shows into the dozens of properties that have saturated pop culture today. How does it hold up in quality? Well, again this was a very early attempt by Genndy Tartakovsky and so it does suffer. And when he left the show in later seasons, it's quality drops again. You can definitely make the argument that while Dexter's Lab paved the way, it might not hold up wonderfully on its own today.
The crew even mentions that Powerpuff Girls "seems like an evolution of Dexter's Lab" yet they don't immediately make the point that Genndy Tartakovsky and Craig McCracken cut their teeth on that show, so of course Powerpuff Girls is going to be a much better product. It definitely stands up better on its own merits today. As for cultural impact, this one one of the first big hits that had girls being the main protagonist and using violence to solve problems. In that way, it really did serve as an example that this kind of setup can actually be successful. I guarantee you that the marketing department would have been doubtful about Powerpuff Girls being a hit since--to them--boys wouldn't watch a "girl's show" and girls wouldn't watch a violent show. But it performed well and proved them wrong, making it easier for similar shows to get the greenlight in the future. Plus, the experience of working on Powerpuff Girls directly helped to make shows that appeared later like Samurai Jack and Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends turn out to be amazing productions.
Then you have Ed, Edd, and Eddy, which was one of the last hurrahs of the slapstick comedy genre that was dying out. Cartoon Network was originally built on reruns of Hana-Barbara properties and most of them used that kind of slapstick humor. Plus it emulates a lot of Warner Bros. cartoons, which CN also hosted reruns of for a good chunk of its history before really getting devoted to original programming. Ed, Edd, and Eddy was a strange show at the time, but it knew exactly what it was and excelled at the job it set out to do. If you're not a fan of slapstick comedy, it's not going to be your thing. And unfortunately when Ed, Edd, and Eddy was in its prime, that style of humor wasn't hugely popular among Cartoon Network's audience. But for fans that had been dying for new cartoons that relished in zany violence, Ed, Edd, and Eddy was exactly what they were after, thus even today it has a lot of die-hard fans. Even after all this time, it still holds up as a great example of slapstick humor. However, when it comes to its overall pop culture impact, Ed, Edd, and Eddy has remained pretty much a cult classic. It didn't catch on due to the environment of TV at the time and thus it kinda faded away rather than opening the door for new stuff. Out of the three shows it probably holds up the best (though you can definitely argue PPG as well), it just didn't make the same pop culture splash.
So which is the best? That's not really my point. My point is you have all these facts that you can get from just browsing over each show's wikipedia page fifteen minutes before you start filming and you'll be way better informed when you start discussing things. Rewatching a show now does nothing unless you remember watching the show --in the environment when it aired--! Rewatching lets you more accurately remember a show now so you can judge it on how well it's stood up since its original airing, but if you're just being introduced to the show they you really should keep your points to how it's objectively impacted pop culture history. Madness has become frustrating to watch because it presents itself as trying to make an informed decision when the panel doesn't seem to be very informed on the subject. Not only that, but there's no clear scale as to whether objectively good, culturally impactful, or personal favorite shows win each round. Again, if this had just been friends going full nostalgia-mode on these shows to pick their favorites, it would have been enjoyable even if I disagreed with their choices. The guys on the panel are genuinely great people who are fun to watch. Plus the production quality of Madness itself is quite good, as you'd expect from a team of youtube veterans. But it's clear they're pretending to have some kind of authority because that's what sells in the youtube algorithm. Since I can also game the algorithm in my small way, I'm not going to click on any more Madness videos for this series. Maybe next time they'll have polished their game and I'm still rooting for the Normal Boots channel.
you know what I read every single thing you wrote and it was a really interesting thing and very good points, but just comparing to the show it felts lacking, I looove Barry and was expecting a lot more of him when he replaced Jared ('cause Alex is the one for his brother), and the N64 bracket felt a lot more cohesive and easier to get each show (ffs SMB vs MP got me mad, but I got why they choose what they chose)
I can smell the Ed, Edd, n’ Eddy salt of the comments from the top of the page.
I'm always pumped for new episodes of Madness and sad when they end
In decent respect of powerpuff girls, no one from Ed, Edd, and Eddy or Dexter's Lab made it into Gorillaz.
That being said, I'd have picked the Ed bois.
This episode is just "We don't know what we are talking about!"
this show is one of the best things to come out of normal boots in a long time
Don't get me wrong, I love Barry, but there's times where his comments seem a bit passive aggressive in response to Alex, but that's his analytical side speaking I feel. Although, I will say that Alex talks out of his ass with good intent so there's times where he can contradict himself. So I can see why Barry would respond in that way, but I digress. I think this perfectly embodies Madness 😂
@dwinters62 Yesss. He's always saying how the shows overall impacted culture, but he is so passionately enthusiastic about it that it just turns to his preference and taste
He deserves agression because he is dictating this show and its extremely boring listening to him repeat the same points over and over. Its a discussion show and it should be more heated and less one sided and people should have to back themselves up with valid points after they are challenged. They hardly even talk about the shows because they are too busy relating them to other things and reminding me of why they are important rather than why they are good
It would be nice if you guys had a more specific criteria. Best 90s show. Best show to still watch? Show that influenced the most? The show in which you have the best memories for? I mean I feel the lack of a specific criteria is the reason for the name Madness but honestly i feel the show may play better with a point for point look at things of "Settings plots styles main characters supporting characters etc." adjust as need be for competition. obviously i can look for a different show to find these things possibly, but I assume there is a level of viewer feedback that is considered here.
Example for last season: The best N64 game. Is the game the best N64 game? Or did it just influence a lot of other games? Does it still play well? If you were given this game to play, would it still be worth your time to play it? or would you be frustrated at it for not holding up like you remember. ETC
TLDR: More specific Criteria for judging things as "the best ____" not "the most influential____" or "The most likely to get me out of reading in class"
This is one of the few episodes where they actually came to a conclusion I enjoyed. Still can't believe Arthur lost to Xmen, although I am glad that Ed lost to Magic School Bus.
I just noticed dexter is in the thumbnail (watching it chunks). At a glance, i thought he was from PPG.
I wish the random clips weren’t, you know, random. Like, when they were talking about Bubbles’ Spanish, they could put a short clip of that. Clips relating to the topic at hand.
Ed Edd and Eddy for sure.
EE&E Pros: Has a unique art style that sets it apart. Has many sounds you can identify from the show. Has definitely more humor and gags for children, teens and adults. Episodes can take any turn, its not always a win or lose. The characters were all weird but relatable in their own ways. Didn't feel all that dated.
PPG Pros: Show could be picked up by anyone, boy or girl. Had moral episodes that taught lessons. Interesting Villains,(although if you look at them, you realize they were kinda racist depictions of some groups, so that could be a down side.) Stories that could expand the city. Character development.
I vote Ed ,Edd, and Eddy.
I never really watched Power Puff Girls as a kid, it was rarely the best show to watch at any given time, but I still remember enjoying it when I did. Dexter's Lab I probably watched more often, and I absolutely hated it, I don't know why I ever would have watched it, somebody else must have had control of the remote, but I hated Dexter's Lab, I always felt so bored watching it. Ed Edd 'n Eddy I watched A TON of as a kid, it was hillarious! If I was to sit down and watch one of those shows, easily Ed Edd ' n Eddy. However, the legacy it had and its impact on culture and cartoons, is nonexistent. Power Puff Girls on the other hand, left a greater impact as it was one of the first popular female shows, and superheroine shows of all time. It undeniably did a lot for the industry, so ultimately, with no doubt in my mind, X-Men TAS would have to win this round. :3 I honestly hope that becomes a running gag in this show tho, where it seems really one sided, and then at the end someone immediately votes for the the "worse" one or just says "I'm gonna have to go with X-Men bc yea".
Sucks the Ed's even lost to The Frizz in the first place.
Wesly Z A good show to a bad show.
I always watched powerpuff girls when my sis was watching it. However we both watched Ed Edd n Eddy.
I remember Blossom speaking Japanese. Bubbles speaks to animals (or maybe just squirrels?). I don't remember any of the 3 speaking Spanish, but I could be wrong.
Sending it into space is the new essence of an n64 game
An episode not about Arthur
Pbg: *brings up arthur like 3 times*
I can actually agree with just about everything this vid, a previous comment of mine on a Madness was sided on EEE side and I had named off a few that tied for 1st making rugrats 5th...then I had 2 edits as the video had went on and more occured to me that I categorized as different in my head and heart for multiple reasons as not 'regular' cartoons and being different, like anime being different as well even though it is all animated. Without the whole rehash, I had forgot the powerpuffs as well, they may push out rugrats in my top 5 if I ever had to make my own definitive list for the 90s, and while I wouldave placed EEE above the Powerpuffs in my own, I have no issue respecting anybody who place the PP over EEE, and Dexter is freaking awesome but definitely doesnt stand against either PP or EEE.
Tough decision but I'd go with the same order. PPG > EE&E > Dexter. I think Dexter just got annoying after seeing it reran so many more times than the other two. I believe it's the oldest so makes sense.
I'm still wonder what that thing around Austin's (PBG) neck is.
Blue tooth headphones
Alex has this strategy of overpowering the conversation with his opinion and completely disregarding points on the other shows.
They just skip over the son of a shepherd
I'd like the discipline hat now please.
This video was all about Cartoon Network's hit shows. The next video will pit an edutatinment show with heart, a horror comedy cult classic, and a classic variety show against each other. Maaaaan this next video is gonna be rough.