Jonah Naylor says… Great video, thanks for reviewing it and all your positive feedback. One thing a lot of videos miss, is that the ALT and Amiga keys are the same size keys - so the keycaps can be swapped easily. This means if you're set up to reset your Amiga/emulation with ctrI-alt-alt, you can put the Amiga keys in the Alt position to then achieve that mapping. The Function lock key combination is: Hold right Amiga key and then press the left Amiga key whilst the right is still held down. The Func light should then illuminate and you can then release both keys. Repeat to disable FUNCTION LOCK. The other thing is WinUAE does allow custom key remapping - so it should also not be too tricky to get the keys working in the positions/ shortcuts you prefer. Thanks again though for all your kind words.
I'm still waiting on the tank mouse, that would feel more genuine for me imho. If the keyboard had DEL and HELP buttons in the right place I might consider it, now the layout is essentially a PC 101 keyboard and na... I'd use a real amiga keyboard instead with an adapter, not easy to do but possible
@@HoldandModify Thats awesome, the FAQ seems not to be updated in that case. Would like to see how that looks, I guess the length will be different. "Will a Help Key be included with my keyboard keycaps? Not as standard, however if you really require a Help key then please let us know, we may be able to provide one with your order so that you can swap an existing key to become an Amiga-style Help key in your desired position. We have had Help keycaps made in limited quantities, we can't supply them with every order."
Hello, i have ordered this keyboard! So I'm waiting for both the cordless Tankmouse and the keyboard!!! :) When did you order the keyboard? How long did it take to deliver the keyboard?
You need the tank mouse .. I got the A500 mini tankmouse and its good enough , its not 100% same size but it does the same illusion .. I hear there is a wireless tankmouse, but to me, I need that cord there.. lol
It's s strong keyboard. I don't want to criticise (even the costs). Can't someone create Amiga logo cherry keys, then a small app for the Amiga that re-maps keys appropriately? I think Lyra 3 has a similar intention for the keympapping?????
@@HoldandModify Great video, thanks for reviewing it and all your positive feedback. One thing a lot of videos miss, is that the ALT and Amiga keys are the same size keys - so the keycaps can be swapped easily. This means if you're set up to reset your Amiga/emulation with ctrl-alt-alt, you can put the Amiga keys in the Alt position to then achieve that mapping. The Function lock key combination is: Hold right Amiga key and then press the left Amiga key whilst the right is still held down. The Func light should then illuminate and you can then release both keys. Repeat to disable FUNCTION LOCK. The other thing is WinUAE does allow custom key remapping - so it should also not be too tricky to get the keys working in the positions/shortcuts you prefer. Thanks again though for all your kind words.
There's one major issue with this keyboard for me. The price. £140 is a lot of a keyboard. Add to that the shipping cost to where I live (Norway) + the 25% tax that the Norwegian government will charge... Yeah, that's an expensive keyboard, and I just can't defend paying that much for a basic mechanical PC keyboard.
I have one of these. The original DAS Keyboard from 2009 but it's black and the keys are blank. The clone of the IBM super brick keyboard. USB and PS2. I don't think they are possible to buy anymore...
A keyboard that costs that much, and does not fully work with the Amiga (even with a USB adapter), becomes an automatic deal breaker for me. If it came with an adapter that made it work with a real Amiga out of the box, then I could easily accept even the high price tag.
Considering USB was never a feature of the Amiga during it's production life, it's hardly surprising that USB devices don't work on them. USB on the Amiga is a hack. For a long time, computer keyboards have supported PS2 and/or USB standards and physical connectors. The Amiga was different. Getting them to work on an Amiga is down to the firmware and drivers for whatever USB interface you have in it. An AGP or PCI-E graphics card won't work in an Amiga... do you complain about the prices Nvidia, AMD or Intel charge because of that?
@@another3997 I don't care. The product does not fully work with the Amiga, where others do. I am the client, which means technicalities are meaningless to me. So, I won't pay for it, especially given it is marketed as an Amiga keyboard in some way. The AMD and NVidia comparison is irrelevant, it has nothing to do with this.
Ahh, you are too kind. I will trash it. If I was sent a free one to review I guess I would try to find something positive to say. Since I don't have that to bias me I can say honestly, nothing to see here. Edit: okay if a person wants this keyboard to use with WinUAE then fine. But it would be funny to take a free emulator and put a $200 keyboard on it. I would rather buy that Raspberry Pi keyboard that is the entire computer for $70. At least that is sort of in the spirit of an A500/600/1200.
I’m not sue what you mean. I’ve only ever been sent one thing for free from a vendor and my review of that item was like all mine. Exactly as i experienced it. In fact I made the video before I knew it was going to be at no cost. Fully expecting to pay. I don’t do paid sponsorships. No PCBWay, none of that stuff. Heck I don’t even say to “like” “follow” and “subscribe” hehe.
@@HoldandModify Yes,sorry I didn't mean you specifically. I used the word "you" loosely meaning anyone (darned English language!). I edited it above to not sound directed at you. I was stating a hypothetical if I was a given things to review. As I understand it, the creator has originally set out to make a true Amiga keyboard. When I see A4000 keyboards going for $200+ on Ebay, it seems like the community would support a real Amiga keyboard.
For that kind of money it needs a lot of work. I don't need a peecee keyboard, I have plenty of those. I'd love something like this for my PiMiga, but not having the right Amiga keys just ruins it.
Mechanical keyboards are expensive, that's true whatever platform you use. Considering the Amiga has been out of production for decades, and it was decidedly non-standard, do you seriously expect anyone to design and manufacture a completely new keyboard for a small proportion of the already niche, Amiga market? New key caps for standard keyboards are cheap and easy to get hold of. Maybe you expect Nvidia to make Zorro versions of their GPUs, and someone to start making 68060 CPUs again?
Sorry, there is a workbench utility called keyboard tester or something. You should be able to press all the keys at once because of the way real A1200 keyboard matrix circuit works. I don't think USB or PS/2 can do that. I've tried it recently. It's possible to push all the keys at once and each key will be shown as pressed. My brain was blown on a something from 1993 OEM. Great for gaming!
@@bronwaith I don't use emulators. I have an A1200 with OEM mouse and gamepads, josticks. OEM Keyboard. Like new PCB - PAL, like new US keyboard. With ACA1234 turbo boards. Real floppy that boots from floppy. Amiga branded kicks on the mainboard (3.1). PCMCIA works without any timing fixes. PFSII on internal OEM hard drive. and PFSII on 2 CF cards. It's too fast. On an A1200 all keys are registered at once if pressed down with a mouse mat at the same time. I'm not talking about the small box amigas - A500 couldn't do that. The keyboard uses a custom internal connector with a custom keyboard controller before it even plugs into the mainboard.... Google it "A1200 keyboard matrix" I ordered new replica keyboards and cases but the orders never made it. So I purchased OEM because it was way less monies. Those remakes and clones are scam shops, u know that right?
@@tlaskowsThe point still stands. You only have 8 fingers and two thumbs. You cannot physically use all the keys at once, and no software on the Amiga requires you to do so. Therefore, the fact that a particular keyboard CAN register 80+ keys at once, is completely irrelevant. Other keyboards are not scams. The Amiga was completely non-standard, and they haven't been made for decades. Therefore no major manufacturers want to make new Amiga keyboards, when 'normal' keyboards will suffice. There's no money in it. It's a tiny, niche market... you know that right?
So its not an amiga keyboard lol. Just pretend. People work so hard and spend so much to get around using an...Amiga. its like a Amiga sticker on a BLENDER..not Amiga. It does nothing to help the Amiga platform or support the real hardware makers who make stuff that do work on real Amigas.
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Jonah Naylor says…
Great video, thanks for reviewing it and all your positive feedback. One thing a lot of videos miss, is that the ALT and Amiga keys are the same size keys - so the keycaps can be swapped easily. This means if you're set up to reset your Amiga/emulation with ctrI-alt-alt, you can put the Amiga keys in the Alt position to then achieve that mapping.
The Function lock key combination is: Hold right Amiga key and then press the left Amiga key whilst the right is still held down. The Func light should then illuminate and you can then release both keys. Repeat to disable FUNCTION LOCK.
The other thing is WinUAE does allow custom key remapping - so it should also not be too tricky to get the keys working in the positions/ shortcuts you prefer. Thanks again though for all your kind words.
I'm still waiting on the tank mouse, that would feel more genuine for me imho. If the keyboard had DEL and HELP buttons in the right place I might consider it, now the layout is essentially a PC 101 keyboard and na...
I'd use a real amiga keyboard instead with an adapter, not easy to do but possible
They do ship it with those keycaps , you can install them. I totally forget that in my video.
@@HoldandModify Thats awesome, the FAQ seems not to be updated in that case. Would like to see how that looks, I guess the length will be different.
"Will a Help Key be included with my keyboard keycaps?
Not as standard, however if you really require a Help key then please let us know, we may be able to provide one with your order so that you can swap an existing key to become an Amiga-style Help key in your desired position. We have had Help keycaps made in limited quantities, we can't supply them with every order."
That ia a really cool keyboard! Thank you for the link!
It’s cozy!
Guru meditation!
Mine got stuck in Swedish customs, so I have to wait a few more days to get mine that I will use for my AmigaONE X5000. :)
Yeah mine took some time but worth the wait!
Hello, i have ordered this keyboard! So I'm waiting for both the cordless Tankmouse and the keyboard!!! :) When did you order the keyboard? How long did it take to deliver the keyboard?
Took a while. Nearly three months.
I just got mine! Not even had time to test it.
Surprisingly heavy.
CHUNKY.
You need the tank mouse .. I got the A500 mini tankmouse and its good enough , its not 100% same size but it does the same illusion .. I hear there is a wireless tankmouse, but to me, I need that cord there.. lol
Oh sweet! Good call!
It's s strong keyboard. I don't want to criticise (even the costs). Can't someone create Amiga logo cherry keys, then a small app for the Amiga that re-maps keys appropriately? I think Lyra 3 has a similar intention for the keympapping?????
Now that would be clever. Hmm.
What icon theme are you using?
It’s a mix of 3.2.2 and random.
If in doubt hold left amiga right amiga and control at the same time. The layout should match and do a reboot.?
I like mine pretty well, but the special keys just don't always do what I think they should. I hope we can figure out a workaround
That’s what I’m hoping. .
@@imalebowskisuch if my life
@@HoldandModify Great video, thanks for reviewing it and all your positive feedback. One thing a lot of videos miss, is that the ALT and Amiga keys are the same size keys - so the keycaps can be swapped easily. This means if you're set up to reset your Amiga/emulation with ctrl-alt-alt, you can put the Amiga keys in the Alt position to then achieve that mapping.
The Function lock key combination is: Hold right Amiga key and then press the left Amiga key whilst the right is still held down. The Func light should then illuminate and you can then release both keys. Repeat to disable FUNCTION LOCK.
The other thing is WinUAE does allow custom key remapping - so it should also not be too tricky to get the keys working in the positions/shortcuts you prefer. Thanks again though for all your kind words.
@@JonahNaylor whoa great tips! Pinning this! Love the keyboard! Can’t pin as this is a reply to a reply. I will post, pin, and credit.
But AMIGA and ALT keys are just not at the right spot, Q, they are swapped.
True. But as you can see even I didn’t notice. It’s just sells the illusion. ;)
@@HoldandModify how can you switch between this and the A2000 or A3000 and not notice this? do you really look at the kbd to find the A keys?
@@plattcriceta1719 we all do what we do. I often look down, yup.
There's one major issue with this keyboard for me. The price. £140 is a lot of a keyboard. Add to that the shipping cost to where I live (Norway) + the 25% tax that the Norwegian government will charge... Yeah, that's an expensive keyboard, and I just can't defend paying that much for a basic mechanical PC keyboard.
Yeah. The cost. The tax. It’s high. I mention that. It does hurt a bit. But I’ve wanted something like this go so long.
@Numpty weren’t all of you Vikings? Grab an axe and get what’s yours!! :)
@Numpty In general, the government strongly objects to us buying anything from abroad.
I have one of these. The original DAS Keyboard from 2009 but it's black and the keys are blank. The clone of the IBM super brick keyboard. USB and PS2. I don't think they are possible to buy anymore...
the brown switches are the squishy ones, right?
They don’t have that hard clacky feel. So yeah.
@@HoldandModify I see.. i spent all the keyboard budget for a few years on the air 100 last year anyway...
But it sure looks great!
Exact same Ultra wide monitor ✅
Amiga branded Keyboard ⏳
Still contemplating…
DOOOEEET. :)
A keyboard that costs that much, and does not fully work with the Amiga (even with a USB adapter), becomes an automatic deal breaker for me.
If it came with an adapter that made it work with a real Amiga out of the box, then I could easily accept even the high price tag.
Valid point. Maybe in the future he will?
I hope so! 🙂
Considering USB was never a feature of the Amiga during it's production life, it's hardly surprising that USB devices don't work on them. USB on the Amiga is a hack. For a long time, computer keyboards have supported PS2 and/or USB standards and physical connectors. The Amiga was different. Getting them to work on an Amiga is down to the firmware and drivers for whatever USB interface you have in it. An AGP or PCI-E graphics card won't work in an Amiga... do you complain about the prices Nvidia, AMD or Intel charge because of that?
@@another3997
I don't care.
The product does not fully work with the Amiga, where others do.
I am the client, which means technicalities are meaningless to me. So, I won't pay for it, especially given it is marketed as an Amiga keyboard in some way.
The AMD and NVidia comparison is irrelevant, it has nothing to do with this.
Needs the big-ass Enter key.
I can admit the smaller RETURN key on this has caught me a number of times. I smash slash furiously and wonder why no rerun happens!!
Ahh, you are too kind. I will trash it. If I was sent a free one to review I guess I would try to find something positive to say. Since I don't have that to bias me I can say honestly, nothing to see here. Edit: okay if a person wants this keyboard to use with WinUAE then fine. But it would be funny to take a free emulator and put a $200 keyboard on it. I would rather buy that Raspberry Pi keyboard that is the entire computer for $70. At least that is sort of in the spirit of an A500/600/1200.
I’m not sue what you mean. I’ve only ever been sent one thing for free from a vendor and my review of that item was like all mine. Exactly as i experienced it. In fact I made the video before I knew it was going to be at no cost. Fully expecting to pay. I don’t do paid sponsorships. No PCBWay, none of that stuff. Heck I don’t even say to “like” “follow” and “subscribe” hehe.
@@HoldandModify Yes,sorry I didn't mean you specifically. I used the word "you" loosely meaning anyone (darned English language!). I edited it above to not sound directed at you. I was stating a hypothetical if I was a given things to review. As I understand it, the creator has originally set out to make a true Amiga keyboard. When I see A4000 keyboards going for $200+ on Ebay, it seems like the community would support a real Amiga keyboard.
@@brettjns I'd rather pay $200 for the A2000 keyboard.
For that kind of money it needs a lot of work. I don't need a peecee keyboard, I have plenty of those. I'd love something like this for my PiMiga, but not having the right Amiga keys just ruins it.
Mechanical keyboards are expensive, that's true whatever platform you use. Considering the Amiga has been out of production for decades, and it was decidedly non-standard, do you seriously expect anyone to design and manufacture a completely new keyboard for a small proportion of the already niche, Amiga market? New key caps for standard keyboards are cheap and easy to get hold of. Maybe you expect Nvidia to make Zorro versions of their GPUs, and someone to start making 68060 CPUs again?
Sorry, there is a workbench utility called keyboard tester or something. You should be able to press all the keys at once because of the way real A1200 keyboard matrix circuit works. I don't think USB or PS/2 can do that. I've tried it recently. It's possible to push all the keys at once and each key will be shown as pressed. My brain was blown on a something from 1993 OEM. Great for gaming!
Are you only have 10 fingers, nth key rollover is overrated
@@bronwaith I don't use emulators. I have an A1200 with OEM mouse and gamepads, josticks. OEM Keyboard. Like new PCB - PAL, like new US keyboard. With ACA1234 turbo boards. Real floppy that boots from floppy. Amiga branded kicks on the mainboard (3.1). PCMCIA works without any timing fixes. PFSII on internal OEM hard drive. and PFSII on 2 CF cards. It's too fast. On an A1200 all keys are registered at once if pressed down with a mouse mat at the same time. I'm not talking about the small box amigas - A500 couldn't do that. The keyboard uses a custom internal connector with a custom keyboard controller before it even plugs into the mainboard.... Google it "A1200 keyboard matrix" I ordered new replica keyboards and cases but the orders never made it. So I purchased OEM because it was way less monies. Those remakes and clones are scam shops, u know that right?
@@tlaskowsThe point still stands. You only have 8 fingers and two thumbs. You cannot physically use all the keys at once, and no software on the Amiga requires you to do so. Therefore, the fact that a particular keyboard CAN register 80+ keys at once, is completely irrelevant. Other keyboards are not scams. The Amiga was completely non-standard, and they haven't been made for decades. Therefore no major manufacturers want to make new Amiga keyboards, when 'normal' keyboards will suffice. There's no money in it. It's a tiny, niche market... you know that right?
Boing ball. That is a nice looking keyboard and has lot's of Amiga flavor to it. A wireless version would be cool.
Yeah it’s pretty dang slick!
so an Amiga-branded windows keyboard that doesn't work in windows... or amiga. Nice. well worth £140 :D
Oh come on. It works…mostly! :)
When they make one with the keys in the right place I'll buy one. This does not have the keys in the right place.
And even I didn’t notice. And I’m surround by real Amiga keyboards, heh. I love it!
So its not an amiga keyboard lol. Just pretend. People work so hard and spend so much to get around using an...Amiga. its like a Amiga sticker on a BLENDER..not Amiga. It does nothing to help the Amiga platform or support the real hardware makers who make stuff that do work on real Amigas.
Well it did pay for the license to use the Amiga logo/name. It’s officially licensed.