1976 Massey Ferguson Film A Special Power 2800 Tractor
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- 1976 Massey Ferguson 16mm film "A Special Power" giving a brief history of Massey Harris and Massey Ferguson tractors and showing off the new Massey Ferguson 2800 tractor
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If they had kept building them as good as my old 1155 I’d probably buy a new one.
Gotta say massey did have some nice tractors, especially those 1155s beautiful tractors
I had a 2745 in the 80's good tractor.
I worked for my neighbor for all of my teen years and into my twenties. He had the 1150, the 1155 and the 2805. The 2805 was a BEAST! The 1150 was a MUD HOG!!!! It would go where the other two wouldn't. I enjoyed driving all three of them and I am not sure I could pick one that was my favorite. My neighbor would always tell me, "There is only one thing better than a Massey Ferguson. And that is two of them!" I have a 245 and a 4607 myself. I have a banner with that quote on it in my shop. Massey Ferguson's are all I know.
Hugh Perkins the son of Frank Perkins migrated here in Oamaru Sth island New Zealand. Perkins was the Peterborough United kingdom England supplier to Massey Ferguson. Massey owned Perkins then sold to Caterpillar.
Meeting Hugh was like meeting Henry Ford or Elon Musk.
Agco the now Massey owner has Valtra of Finland and Fendt as same family. Massey had Italian Landini.
I haven’t looked at Massey Ferguson tractors a whole lot but holy shit look at the triples at 11:20 !
I spent hours on a 2620 in the uk in the 80's excellent machine.
MF sucks !!!!!
Solidly built tractor range, but weren't the MF 2620s considered a bit underpowered for their weight at 95 hp ?
Even the original MF 2640, at 104 hp was turned up to 110 hp in later versions.
From what I'm told by ex MF Banner Lane staff, these tractors could be a bit unreliable, having been built in Beauvais, France.
@@jamesbarbour8400 Absolutely right, but coming from a 165, and 590 the 2620 was a beast. we would use a five furrow wide body dowdeswell reversible, with correct use of the draft the tyres would squat giving the grip. The British built Massey always seems to had a better pedigree. To be honest the French ones were not bad, but not British, that was the nail in the coffin.
Another neat video, thanks for sharing this!
Great video I started driving dad's Massey Ferguson 1080 when I was 13 years old
Good video. Great tractors!
Great tractors! Always used Massey’s for heavy work!
Good Luck!
A lot of Luck!
Great video they made a 2805 Massey.
Great video, thanks for posting it!
Those 2000-series V8 Masseys look cool and what a monster with triples 😎
And that sound... 🎶
These tractors were a complete train wreak! The in-line Perkins was a respectable engine but that V-8 was a complete failure!
@@paulratzlaff2935 yeah, might be, but anyway still awesome looking great sounding muscle-tractor 😎
@@paulratzlaff2935 even the 4.236 and 6.354 have poor head sealing. Hard to tell if the bottom end is much good, the top always fails, those asinine liner protrusions. Allis learned with the 262 about janky liner protrusion reliance. And those were 1950's tech. A 2900 Allis will outwork and outlive a 6.354 by a wide margin.
@@paulratzlaff2935V8 640 engine apart, this range of MF tractors developed a poor reputation in regard to their transmissions, whether fitted to straight six or V8 engined tractors.
The basic gearbox was an 8 speed job but the fly in the ointment was the three range speedshift unit. The seals failed pretty regularly and a lot of farmers simply took out the speedshift and used the tractor as an eight speed. Less versatile but a lot more reliable.
The speedshift unit was insufficiently tested and developed, hence all the troubles it caused.
MF lost a considerable number of sales in the large tractor market due to the aforemented transmission faults, and Lee Elfes, MFs Head if Tractor Engineering was fired from the Company by Albert Thornborough, the head honcho of MF at that time. That, despite being married to Thornboroughs' daughter ! This would have been around the late 70s or so.
I always thought the cabs on the AC 8000 Series of tractors were big. But my gosh...the cabs on these things are humongous!! Those Perkins...they can be a sloppy mess, leak fluids like a sieve, but boy they're amazing on fuel! I didn't grow up on MF's, but what a machine.
I believe the 8000 series cab is still bigger
if you never had them how do you know they were a sloppy mess. no messier then anything else if you didn't fix the leaks.
@@darrenmisick3493 I agree to a point but Perkins do have a reputation of being leakers.... I just don't know which engines. I know I don't like working on a massey tractor but I've only ever worked on one.
my dad had the M.F shop at home and we also farmed and had 3 1100's , an 1105,1135 and a 760 combine and those 6-354 perkins engines were bullet proof.I still have the 1105 and overhauled the engine in 2000 and as of today there are no oil leaks. In my past experience I would say if there were leaks they would come from the fuel injection pump. Those rubber gromets on them with age will dry out and then the fuel starts leaking.I don't know how old the machine is you were talking about but all different makes and manufacturers over time will wear and need some replacement part stop stop leaks.
@@darrenmisick3493 I didn't think to clarify. Growing up, we ran an F3, N7 and a couple R62's...and our tractors were AC's that ranged the gamit of horsepower. A couple years ago, my dad bought this little pain in the ass Allis Chalmers 160 with 1,700+ hrs, which we all know has that Perkins 3.152. Which, in my uneducated opinion, is great little engine! I seriously think it leaks more fuel than it burns! I've got a mystery leak at the fuel filter base (I think) I'm chasing down now. My uncle has an MF 185 that he calls the Nasty Massey. Great tractor...probably has a bazillion hrs on it, leaks diesel and oil from every orface on that engine, and keeps running day in and day out! So yeah...I don't have near the experience you have; but I still say Perkins motors can be on the messy side. I'm not close to being an expert, just my thoughts.
The best tractors out there, hands down.
Are you the Joker?
You must be part of the group, that's trying to revive MF by the way of Agco. You guys are nuts, you are trying to totally discredit the engineering of AC and cram the European crap down are throats! It's hard to believe that a company like Allis was completely ran into the ground; it had to be management, their engineers were way ahead of the game !
yes u are the Joker.
@@paulratzlaff2935 what were the ac 6080's transmission again? Also Massey 1100-2805s were mostly a North American tractor there are far less of them in Europe than here.
Love that
Interesting they showcase the 2770 & 2800. They weren't production units & the brochures don't list them, Pre-Production and/or prototypes maybe?. I've heard those engs could easily get 15-20,000 hours on them until a major rebuild. Although in my Massey V8 group I've also heard finding eng parts a diamond in the rough.
Actually MF did produce the MF 2770 & MF 2800 tractors for a short time from late 1976, but due to issues with the engines and transmissions, they were recalled, remedial work carried out, rebadged as MF 2775/2805 respectively and reintroduced to market along with 3 other lower horsepower models, in 1978. Two of the new models utilised the Perkins 6-354•4 engine, with different power ratings, the third, the Perkins V8-540 engine.
The two largest tractors (previously the MF 2770/2800 tractors) had new decals applied over the original model designation but could sometimes peel off to reveal the original model number underneath.
It's kinda funny that the same displacement engine now puts out double the horsepower
The best part of these videos isnt even the equipment. Its seeing the farms and out buildings still in good shape and used. I had to laugh when they mentioned the fuel economy of the engine. Buddy of mine had a 1150 for a couple years and that thing was a complete pig and it was only a 503 V8. Had plenty of power if you could keep fuel hauled to it. Unless they did something different I have a hard time believing a 640 was any better. Could never figure out how Perkins could go from the 354, arguably one of the most fuel efficient diesels ever built, to those dang V8's that would dang near suck the fuel tank shut in a hard pull.
The Perkins V8 engines were heavier on fuel for two main reasons, as with pretty much all V8s - firstly, 2 additional cylinders over a straight six will obviously use more fuel over the same amount of time in use, secondly, the Perkins V8 - 640 revved at between 2600 to 2800 erpm depending on application, versus the more usual 2200 erpm of the Perkins straight six, so again higher revs over the same time period is unfortunately going to use more fuel.
Generally speaking, V8 engines of any make have to be revved hard to get adequate performance, as the design, regardless of make, is not conducive to producing a high torque figure. These engines were not designed specifically for agricultural applications but a multitude of other uses also.
During the period in question, the horsepower race was still on and a bigger (or biggest) V8 monster engine would give a manufacturer bragging rights over the competition.
Moving to more recent times in the 90s for example, at least some manufacturers opted for large capacity straight sixes that gave better fuel economy but also arguably a better torque figure, in their high horsepower machines.
The MF 1150 tractor used a Perkins V8 510 engine - no such engine as a V8 503 Perkins !
Grandpappy always loved his masseys boy had two of them before I born sold one and the other I have hoping to restore it but times moves quick these days but grandpa swore by them Perkins diesels!
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Neighbor had one of these V8 screamers, ran a but rich, could see him rolling coal miles away.
To bad there's no front wheel assist
Ali MacGraw! My eyes!
I heard a lot of bad reports about these tractors ,what were the main problems? .
If they tested this tractor like they said why did it have problems? Did Allis Chalmers ever have a model that failed on the farm like this did? I’m just curious as to what you all think. Is it bad manufacturing or not enough testing? Good video just the same J and L.
They didn't have a problem pulling anything you put behind it if it was left close to stock but turning the pump up was the problem, it was crazy what they could pull then but then the transmissions started to go after that but they were pulling way more then what they were ment for!
@@bryanginder5903 thank you very much for taking the time to explain this.
Main issue as far as I'm aware, was the transmissions, specifically the 24 speed ones. The 3 speed power shift ahead of the main 8 speed gearbox was a bit of a disaster, which is why a lot of customers converted the 'box' to provide only 8 speeds. I believe that the seals on the speedshift unit regularly failed, perhaps due to incorrect/sloppy installation procedures. When the seals failed, it was therefore a case whereby both a forward and reverse gear could be selected at the same time with the obvious disasterous consequences this gave rise to. Apparently later versions of the tractors had solved the issue with a new seal installation procedure but the damage to MFs' reputation had already been done by then. Not to mention the high inflation of the early 80s hitting agriculture, and by extrapolation, the tractor industry extremely hard. MF suffered big time as did other manufacturers, the most well known of which was IH which was bought by Tenneco late '84 and renamed Case/IH - the inevitable rationalisation of product lines then took place, of which the former IH 'Snoopy' tractors were but one casualty. Deere & Co. were about the only ag tractor Company to weather the financial storm of the period - others weren't so lucky and several mergers resulted, inevitably narrowing down the choice of machines for farmers.
@@jamesbarbour8400 wow thank you very much for that explanation too.
@@ottoneidlinger4938 thank you, glad you appreciated my input. A real shame about these tractors as they certainly looked the part but that was all. Inadequate testing before release to market was what put paid to MFs reputation in this respect. If one reads 'Massey at the Brink' by Peter Cooke, it will be evident that poor and greedy so called 'Management' (more like parasites !) were to blame for lack of adequate funding to test these tractors properly. Management made sure they always recieved their Dividends rather than steering funds toward the very thing that was providing their income in the first place.
As an aside, when the transmission failures began to get out of hand, the powers that be needed to be seen to be doing something - anything really, and the end result was the eventual firing of Lee Elfes, whom was head honcho of Tractor Engineering at that time. A very divisive figure by many accounts despite being married to Albert Thornboroughs' daughter. Also, Thornborough was another problem within the Organisation. As top dog, he had been so used to the good times of the 50s and 60s that when problems did eventually arise in the 70s, he simply ignored them - problems did not exist if he said so, such was his 'leadership' style. As promising as the larger tractors were, ultimately you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear (for which read lack of funding to carry out adequate testing before releasing product to market) and this situation came back to bite MF in the rear big time
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I own one of these beasts.
Check out "biggest tires on 2wd tractor"
Its even an early one. Sn 278, if i recall? So on one side of the hood it says 2805 and on the other side the 2805 is coming off and it still says 2800 underneath.
Got a link to that? Would like to see it
m.th-cam.com/video/sFrcFOUfJDo/w-d-xo.html
m.th-cam.com/video/0isGCgWlBbA/w-d-xo.html
And another of it running a pump!
@@nevinbontrager8828 I see the hood decal you’re referring to and that definitely is a 2800 converted to a 2805, the oval hole in the hood close to the cab is a dead giveaway. An interesting piece of MF history you have.
Agreed! When/if i decide to repaint and restore it cosmetically i think ill put 2805 on one side and 2800 on the other. Lol
Too bad the bean counters ruined a great tractor. MF recalled all 2800's and had to rework them then the were relabeled 2805 but still needed more refinement. The 24 speed killed the 2000 series tractors. Great engine and cab!
Good cab, terrible engine.
@@randymagnum143 the engines never was the issue, the engine was solid, the 24 speed transmission on the other hand...
@@Zero01k 🤣 I have seen more broken cranks and connecting rods from these than all Deere, Ih, and Allis combined.
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1976 john deere 4630 for sale ,12700h good shape $31000 0b0
1976 MF 2800 for sale 8800hours
Good project tractor .shouldn't be to hard to get it to run. Power shift doesn't work . Tires aren't bad . $2800obo
I love these old films but feel bad for the farmers that got put out of business because they bought these tractors.
Power shift doesn't work? Good, I wanted a 8 speed transmission anyways
No mention of Ferguson, way ahead of Massey Harris.
What gives first? Engine or rear end?
Billet steel heads and a $10k crankshaft........and it still broadcasts it's innards across the track! 😂
Sled pulling ain't farming I have a 1155 MF for normal stock engine uses there good. I have ran a H&S 560 manure spreader last year and only thing I worried about is the drawbar doesn't look heavy enough. The V8 Perkins starts in the cold a lot easier than a 354t. This v8 is the only engine that acts like a big 6 cylinder. The thing that will keep me up at night with this 1155 is the hydraulics.
CLEAR THE GD PICTURE UP‼️ That “foggy red haze” was fine for the bye gone days, we get it, but clear it up for the present day!
Most 70s film stock was poorly made and has faded to red nothing I can do about it.
@@JandLVideosfine the way it is - what can you expect from film of this era. These particular tractors were built from late 1976 till 1978, becoming the MF 2805 at that point. Picture quality is fair enough, given the age of the footage. Pay no attention to the natsayers - it's enough that we have period footage of these enormous tractors in their hey day. 👍
No one ever made a good 4 cycle v8 diesel.
Lol that’s debatable
No one ever made a good 2 cycle v8 diesel either
@@J-1410 there is no such thing as a *bad* 2 cycle diesel. 🙉
@@J-1410 did ih ever make a hydro with a 9 liter v8? That would be a train wreck.
@@randymagnum143 Until you own one. All detroits were good at were converting Diesel into noise and funding GM and GM Dealers. I have a boat anchor-I mean a detroit, 8v92T. Its currently going on its 4th overhaul in 4000 hours, all done by mechanics that went to school for GM Detroit Diesels.
This overhaul is different though, as it will be fixed just enough to move it. A KTA 1150 will replace it. Cheaper in the long run with an 1150.
So I see I have another stalker, or are you RJ1999?