Basic care guide Phyllium giganteum
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ต.ค. 2024
- Oke a basic guide of what to do with Phyllium. This can be applied to allot of other stick insects.
If i did not mention a subject in this video you can ask in the comments. But most likely it means its not very important, for example: lamps and heat mats are not needed if you just keep the animals at room temperature.
Keep in mind this guide is not based on facts but on my personal experience. Allot of things in the hobby are not based on research but on what works for some people. It does not mean that it cannot be done in another way.
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Please make more videos. This is the best care guide online. Thank you so much
Thank you. But i do not know what kind of video's to make which have not already been made by others. I don't know if there is any kind of demand for more detailed scripted care guides for stick insects. Especially the more uncommon species i tend to keep. And i don't think i will have adult animals for another 4 months or so. Not much to show off till then.
Hi, I'm looking into getting a leaf insect but I'm having a hard time finding more than one website that gives a recommended size for an enclosure, what size would you say would be ideal for a single leaf insect? (as I know you have a few in your enclosures)
stick/leaf insects do not need allot of space when you keep them alone. But they do need to be able to hang somewhere in there cage to shed.
When shedding typically they need a space which is about 3 times there size to be safe. If you look at the cage i use in this video, for my young leaf insects, you can see that i pushed the food plant to the top of the cage. if the space underneath the food plant its leafs is tall enough for a leaf insect to hang and shed, then the cage will be big enough.
I don't know if this strange explanation is what you wanted. It kinda depends on hanging space. This makes cages which are taller then they are wide very appealing.
The 30x30x30cm cage in this video is would be large enough to keep 1 adult female most likely. She would still be able to move around and hang from the leafs. And as a sub adult nymph she could still hang and shed properly if the food plants are pushed up enough towards the top of the cage.
Where could i get one, i've been looking for ages, i live in australia
Excellent video!
How can I get one of those big glass boxes for my Leaf insect???
Awesome video ! Helping me a lot for my futur Phyllium Giganteum
Hi Mart - Thanks for this video. Can you please let me know the temperature and humidity that you keep for your giganteum? Also, so many people tell me they need a lot of fresh air and even a bit of wind to keep them healthy - you think this isn't quite true? thanks!!
Yes. I know allot of people say they need allot of ventilation. But in my experience this is not true. If you look at the cage in the video then you can see it barely has ventilation. I do not spray them with water. All i do is feed them fresh leafs and make sure they always have plenty of fresh food in there cage. As for the temperature. i do not monitor it. I think its between 21 and 28 degrees C depending on the season. I treat all my insects the same way. I don't know why some people have trouble with Leaf insects. In my experience there very solid insects with little problems. If i had think of a reason why they would die off early in life it would be due to them not having enough food. I don't even have a humidity meter. It may sound a bit strange. As long as you have fresh plants in the enclosure there will be humidity from the plants evaporating water in there leafs. Just make sure its not to humid. as in that the windows are foggy. High humidity makes the enclosure a breeding ground for molds and germs. Just make sure they always have food. That is the most important thing. They do starve quickly compared to for example reptiles and when they are low on food they will start chewing on each other . But i'm 100% sure that my approach is not the only way. People who use screen cages probably have great success as well. I do have some screen cages and they do work fine with Phasmids. But they do not work better or worse then lower ventilation glass terrariums in my experience.
Hi - Thanks for your quick reply. There are definitely many ways to have success, I think, because I see different techniques failing. Another questions, please: how do you know when the food/leaves are getting old and have to be replaced? What do you feed them in the winter? (that's the hardest thing around here!)
I feed them bramble aka blackberry leafs year round. Bramble is relatively winter hard. as long as its not in dry frost wind for long periods of time it will stay green trough winter. If the leafs are getting a yellowish color they should be replaced. You only wanna feed them dark green leafs. Young light green leafs can be poisonous and brown and yellow leafs are obviously about to die. You can feed them other Rubus species or rose. But be aware of pesticides on store bought plants. I'm not a big fan of oak due to it not staying fresh for long. In 5 days oak leafs usually die off. Bramble can stay green for more then 2 weeks if you take care of them. Or sometimes even without taking care of them. It is a hardy plant but it has allot of spines which can be a bit of a pain in the ass to deal with.
Can they eat hibiscus leafs?
Great job!
where do you get your terrariums from?
wait! don't the eggs need to by heated?????
No, they don't. Just keep them at room temp and moist. Invertibrates usualy just leave their eggs somewhere and dont need to care for them much. They dont have complicated bodys that need very specific operating temperatures.
Also are you feeding them rose leaves?
They like rose yes. The young nimpfs like it allot.
Cool 😎 can they eat cilantro?
@@andyinfante5547 i dont know xD, be carefull with rose from garden centers, there is s risk of pesticides.
Goeie video man ik heb zojuist mijn 31x31x30 terrarium gekocht en 2 wandelende bladeren in stadium 2 de bladeren krijg ik dinsdag met een kweekbakje etc hygro meter enz alleen is een 30x31x31 genoeg voor giganteum?
om mee te beginnen. Als ze bijna volwassene zijn hebben ze wel hangruimte nodig om te vervellen. Dus heb je in een kleinere kooi misschien wat meer risico dat ze op een ongelukkige plek gaan vervellen. Ik heb mijn grotere dieren in een bak van ongeveer 60cm hoog
Ik heb nog wel wat vraagjes over dingen die je niet hebt gezegd. Zelf heb ik ook de tobeloense en giganteum en is de hobby aan het groeien. Toch zou ik wat dieper in willen gaan op je zorg aangezien je giganteums er heel zuiver uitzien! Goeie video! Kunnen we misschien mailen of iets?
Ja is goed. Ik wil best je vragen beandwoorden. Ik weet alleen niet of ik mijn prive email adres in een youtube comment moet zetten ^^
Ik vond het een hele leuke video, erg informatief. ik had alleen een vraagje, waar heb jij jou glazen bak gekocht? ik heb zelf phyllium philipinicus. en zitten nog in een te kleine bak, dus ben opzoek naar iets groters. alvast bedankt :)
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Hi, sorry to bother you but I recently had a phyllium tobeloense nymph hatch and am currently having a small problem with it. This is its 4th day of being alive and hasn’t eaten anything, I have got bramble and cut the edges off, I keep it at the right temperature and I have sprayed the tank as I was told giving them something to drink helps them eat. I’m sure it’s nothing and will probably eat soon but I was just wondering if there was anything that you would suggest. Thanks.
Yes. That is normal. They take a while to get going. And spraying does help. In my experience not all nimfs will start eating. But by spraying the leafs you can higher the success chance. I tried cutting the leafs, but in my experience it did not seem to be the solution. What you can also do is make sure the bramble is not touching the walls and sealing of your cage. The nimfs have a natural instinct to be hyperactive and walk upwards before they start eating. I imagine that in nature when the egg hatches on the forest floor its best for the nimfs to first try to get as high into a tree as they can before picking a place to stay and eat. If you make your brambe plant stand free of any of the walls of your cage then when the nimfs walk up they get stuck in the top of the plant. This trick might help getting it to eat, but your cage needs to be big enough for the bramble to be able to stand alone.
Ok, thanks for the help
Do you think putting some stick insect nymphs in with it might help, I have some l1’s, I’m just thinking it might see the stick insects eating and decide to
hehe. i don't know if they can learn like that. Insects are simple animals. Maybe the holes the stick insects make by eating gives the leaf insects a place to start eating from. But that would be the same as cutting the leafs.
Ok, thanks. Do you know how long they will last without food and do you think it might start eating when it is starving?
hey, echt zeer nuttig dit! ik wil zelf ook graag beginnen met deze hobby. zo facinerend!! via welke weg zoek ik het best voor eitjes? of kan dit ook via u? mvg
Ik heb wel eitjes van Phyllium giganteum. Je kan ook via facebook veel vinden. Er zijn groups die veel informatie bieden en daar bieden mensen vaak ook eitjes aan.
oke bedankt ik zal eens rondkijken
is het mogelijk enkele op te sturen? alvast mijn mail thomas009timmerman@hotmail.com
Hi, how do you keep your leaf insects hydrated as I have been told not to spray water on them or their food. Great video by the way. Very usefull. I have just ordered some phyllium tobeloense eggs so I want everything to be ok before they hatch.
They get the moisture out of the leafs themselves. So they only need to eat. Since they do not pee or transpire there is no need for them to drink.
Thanks mate. Truely appreciated.
When the eggs start hatching should I spray the l1 nymphs as I have read something saying that I should but I don’t know if I should trust them but you know what your talking about.
yes. with phyllium tobeloense i did. But only till they start eating. The moment they eat you can stop spraying. I have experienced with Tobeloense that they can sometimes have difficulty getting started on food. Giving them something to drink helps them to get going. I dont know why. But for some reason it helps. I dont do this with phyllium giganteum. they seem to start eating with less issues.
Also what would you say is the best way to incubate the eggs
Hi thanks for the video!
I have a question though: i just got 6 phyllium giganteums 3 days ago and none of them seem to be eating and one of them died 😥. I didnt even get a chance to name the fellow. the wooden enclosure is at 26-28 degrees celsius. I spray it once-twice everyday.
Could the problem be that I only put the leaves in the enclosure and not the whole plant? (blackberry)
If they are young, the reason why they're not eating may be because they struggle to eat unbroken leaves. Try cutting the edges of the leaves off. Also, placing small branches in a covered cup of a water (covered to prevent the insects from drowning) as shown in the video is fine. They need sufficient length of branch to be able to climb and support their weight, as well as reach the (hopefully) mesh ceiling for moulting. You should never order the plants online as they may be sprayed with pesticides.
Hope that helps and I hope at least some are still alive.
Thank you for the reply! After 2 more died (may their souls rest in peace), the remaining 3 are now starting to eat and grow. For the plants, I take bramble directly from the forest. I make sure to take those furthest away from the path to avoid dog piss. At the start I did pre-cut the leaves for them, but now they seem to be doing fine without. Is it neccessairy for there to be a mesh for the insects to grab on to while moulting or are my wooden (not glass) ceiling and walls not enough?
Where did you buy the giganteums?
Hi I'm looking into getting a leaf insect, but idk if there cage will need to be a certain temperature. And I can't find it anywhere, if they do what temperature?
i keep them around 23-26 degrees C. But room temperature is absolutely fine. I use no heating on them so that is why i did not mention temperature. The only reason i keep them warmer is because my room temperature is a bit on the high side due to floor heating and living on the top floor of a apartment building.
Do you still answer questions?
Because I have a problem with my leafies and they are starting to die off and I'm trying really hard to help them.
I'm not gonna state everything I do or did unless I know I'll actually get a response :(
How are they dieing?
@@MrSelridion Yeah.. So there are multiple issues.
For one, it's unusually cold here during winter. I try to keep their enclosure next to a heater but heaters are turned off during the night. I did manage to find some bramble leaves and they can eat that, although they aren't nice and green leaves. The cold has withered them slightly so they are black-ish.
The bugs look really dry. Like really dry, and the edges of their abdomen are a little wrinkled and crispy, kinda like crackers. I don't know why they are so dry considering I mist them twice a week, but another person suggested I should mist their enclosure every day and allow a lot of ventilation, so I'll try to do that. I use rainwater by the way.
I had four bugs since they were nymphs. They were molting fine but a few days ago they started dying one by one all of a sudden. They are at the stage where little wings appear on their backs, and I believe that's one molt away from adult.
The two remaining were actually smaller than the dead two and I expected them to die first, but surprise surprise. One of them was deformed during molting a while back, and her leg extensions are completely folded. Surprisingly that one is the most active. She basically ate all the leaves I placed in there. But her abdomen is torn a little bit and I'm worried about her next molt.
The other living bug has a big dry lump of feces in her behind. I think it got stuck there but I've been trying to help her all day whenever I can. I pretty much give her droplets of rainwater to drink because she looks really dehydrated. I put little droplets on her mouth-parts and wait for her to drink it, then i repeat a few times. She refuses to eat for now although she seems interested in eating. I did manage to get part of that dry feces out, but her butt seems very stretched and not returning to it's primary form. Her two middle legs are almost always folded and her head is hanging low. She seems responsive to touch though.
The thing is, I feel as if I'm doing something wrong and I don't know what. I'm trying really hard to keep them healthy. I don't know how humid it should be in the enclosure. The sites I've scouted all suggested high humidity :1 I want to know what you think since you seem to have experience with these bugs.
I posted a thread on Arachnoboards yesterday, so you can find some photos there. If you cant find it I'll link it here...
here: arachnoboards.com/threads/please-help-with-giant-leaf-insects.343055/
@@accountformusic7298 i cant look at the photos, but right after they shed they can be a bit wrinkly.
I never used high ventilation enclosures and i never sprayed mine with water. I just stuff there cage with branches and usualy the bramble leafs keep the humidity up inside the enclosure.
Temperature could be an issue. They dont like cold. I always kept mine above room temp.
If they get stuck in there skin while shedding then the humidity might be to low.
Shedding problems can also be a sign of them not eating propperly. Or of overcrowding.
In my experiance food is usualy the most important thing. If they eat well they usually grow well.
@@MrSelridion But what if there is no food? There are some scarce leaves here and there outside, but not enough to fill the entire cage up. And they are all brown/yellow leaves! Also the other girl is gonna die tonight.. I might do a dissection to see whether her gut was dry as well or not. I'll do my best to keep the other healthy...
@@accountformusic7298 if you think the food has to little moisture in it for them, then id spray the food with water to see if that helps. I would also search for better bramble. It can be difficult at this time of the year but maybe you can find a less frostbitten bush somewhere. Bramble can be quite hardy if its growing on a spot that is not to windy.
Where can you purchase them?
Look for people who own them on facebook, they may not be legal where you live due to them being pests. Keep that in mind
@@MrSelridion okay thanks
Do you know where to buy them?
Try in hobby groups on Facebook. Usually there is people there offering eggs.
Mart's Stuff thank you!
Do they bite or not
They do not bite. There mouths are specially designed to eat leafs and small twigs so they have trouble chewing on anything thicker then a leaf. Fingers are way out of there league ^^
Where are the insects!?
hihi. Yeah the video was not really about showing them but more about how i take care of them. If you pay good attention to the colours of the leafs you may spot a few. They are in there but they are just very well camouflaged
Dat snap ik wel .Wil je mij mailen dan? xriemsdijk@gmail.com
Wooow iemand hier heeft een Nederlands accent :D
ja toch. Hup holland hup xD
@@MrSelridion binnen de eerste 30 seconden wist ik het meteen xD. Ik heb alleen Phyllium Philippinicum, maar die zijn ook leuk!
@@kawgum3718 Ja. Ik heb ze ook gehad. lang terug. Toen hete ze nog phyllium Sp. In mijn ervaring zit er niet veel verschil in de verschillende soorten wandelende bladeren kwa verzorging enzo. Ze zien er allemaal net even anders uit. Thats about it.
@@MrSelridion Ja klopt