*More Info At Pelican Kayaks:* www.PelicanSport.com Pelican just released a prototype pedal drive kayak scheduled to hit the market in the near future. This kayak is the Pelican Catch 130HD HyDryve! It uses fin style pedal drive system that you might find similar to the Hobie kayaks but some differences were noted. It was very smooth to operate in my opinion. It felt smoother to pedal than my Hobie M180 pedal drive. The pedal drive doesn't have reverse, but the drive can be flipped backwards to achieve that. Overall, this kayak is incredibly lightweight, stable, and features a drive which simply works beautifully. It also is one of the lowest priced pedal kayaks on the market at $1,499. The drive well seems similar to that of Hobie kayaks in terms of dimensions so I imagine it will share some compatibility with Hobie motor kits (to be determined)!
I would be incredibly surprised if you couldn't. Looks like Identical mount spacing and size. I will see if I get an opportunity to try putting a Mirage 180 in one. I know someone who owns a Pelican Hydryve but they are a few hours drive from me. Could possibly test in near future.
We love it too. Marty is awesome. Good guy and fun to chat with. Can't wait till he finishes his kayak rental/fishing business. I will totally be going! I live just a bit south of him.
KayakDIY That's really cool. I've already seen on a FB group that someone posted a video of trying it out today. Not to sound like Trump but this going to be HUGE.
Thanks for watching our channel. My friend Aliex will be releasing a video soon as well. I will be adding his video to end of this one so folks can get two perspectives.
Congratulations to Pelican. One thing I see right away. This kayak is easy to paddle making it very versatile at an outstanding price. I own two Hobie PA. I wouldn’t trade them for anything on lakes but I can’t comfortably take them in my shallow rivers and creeks because they are to big to paddle. This kayak has the best of both worlds. Looks great for lakes and shallow water rivers and creeks where those big Smallies live.
I don't know what to say! Well maybe I do. If I wouldn't have recently bought a SP13, I totally would have bought one of these at that price!!! I think they may have even improved on the Hobie design. When the drive mount for the Hobie wears out (I've never seen it happen, but there's always a possibility) its shot because its just molded plastic. The Pelican is a removable mount and can be replaced (it looks like) and that's a great improvement! Also, I noticed on the rod holders that are staggered, one looks like its facing forward (staging?) and the other facing back (trolling?) and that's an interesting design. When I first seen the drive I thought the fins were too short to get any speed, but it looks like that thing can move! Over all, they have my blessing on this one!!! They are going to sell a ton of them!!! Thank you for bringing this to those of us who couldn't be there Justin!!!
All great points. I do love the staggered rod holders. More options for positioning rods. The short fins don't seem to have an issue getting the kayak moving quick. Thanks Larry!
Thanks for showing. I wish I could be there and check out the hull's construction. I'm often paddling near/over reefs and sunken timber. If it's pretty tough, I'll definitely consider buying one.
Looks very interesting and not a bad price either compared to Hobie. A few questions for you. Those fins looked to be shorter than the hobie turbo fins. How was the speed on this kayak compared to a similar hobie? Also, how was the stability? I know you stood up but what were your thoughts there... finally, the comfort of the seat? Thanks.... Eric
Pedal effort was easier and smoother than most Hobie kayaks I have been on. I’m a big Hobie fan and even bought a $6,700 Hobie TI. I love my Hobie’s, but at this price my first pedal kayak would have been this...not a Hobie. If I am telling you that I think the Pelican HyDryve pedals better and smoother than several Hobie’s I have owned you can believe it. I have a similar Hobie drive with shorter fins like this one. This drive visually reminds me of the early Hobie drives but immediately I noticed it felt smoother to pedal and didn’t take much exertion to get up to speed. The kayak is very lightweight and so I would say even with the shorter fins it moves on par with several Hobie Outbacks I have been on.
Seat comfort level: 7/10. Could be better but I would be very happy with it at that price. I could be out on it all day. I put Bonafides SS127 seat and Hobie’s Vantage seat at 10/10 for reference. Remember this is a prototype. However, as a prototype they scored in my opinion.
Thank you for this video! A few questions: 1-How is the top speed relative to either Hobie or other brands? Someone suggested the top speed maybe isn't as high as the standard Mirage Drive because of the shorter fins, but they couldn't really tell by the demo. 2-MSRP of $1499, but what is MSRP of just the drive mechanism (if it's truly interchangable with Hobie like suggested in other comments, it opens up interchangability and cheaper upgrade path from Hobie owners)? 3-Does Pelican have any plans to release other version models around a pedal drive console, or update their other products to come with a pedal drive ready console, but no pedal drive included?
Would be cool as well if they made a Catch 100 HD for a couple hundred cheaper. Currently fishing out of a 100 and I love it, only thing missing is a drive 😏
You might be interested in this then. It was $999 and looked to be the best deal in pedal kayaks. I plan to get one. th-cam.com/video/sATrSQnFtAk/w-d-xo.html
Well here's an issue, so I spend 1200 bucks to put a rudder and prop/pedal drive on my feelfree lure, or perhaps pick up one of these with a hobie styled drive. When off the pedals do the fins fold or go straight down also?
Shokenryu my instinct and past experience with a variety of kayaks would say no. The bow has no flare and is really flat. I’m sure it is possible to surf launch but not ideal hull shape in bow. The Riot Mako I filmed for $999 was designed to go through surf. That was one of the design goals.
yup. i look at this like athletic clothing. most of it is made from polyester. the same NIKE polyester shirt youl see in dicks for 40 dollars you czn get from walmart for 5 bucks. just doesnt have a NIKE symbol on it. with hobie youre paying for the name i feel
Hmmm......I wonder if you could obtain just the mounting base of the Hydrive, you know, the plastic that makes contact with the boat and try to install a 35 lb thrust electric motor in order to have a cheap motorized kayak
RIVER GOONIE yes you can. I also would bet you could use a Hobie pedal drive interchangeably in the Pelican drive well. Could likely put a M180 drive in one as well and have reverse. The drive looks to have identical dimensions.
Apparently, they have locking pins that keep the drive in place. Release the locking pins, turn the drive around , lock it back down and you are in reverse.
Larry have you tried this yourself ? It’s not like I am there to give it try. How do you know you can simply turn the pedal drive around and the pedal drive well housing will accept the pedal drive. Then you couldn’t properly lock the pins or the locking mechanism correctly and drive would be secure.
Aliex's video showed some of the way it locks into place. I wish I could have been there to try it out but you have to be invited to icast. But based on what I saw and a lifetime of experience, I'm pretty sure.
Hi, does the seat have high and low adjustability or is it just one position? It seemed a bit low to me, also how do you lower the ruder into position? Thanks for the video
How to avail these if am outside the US. am currently stationed here in UAE. and am looking to buy my new kayak. And these is looks impressive with the prize range $1499 for a fishing kayak. Hopefully to here from you soon guys. Tight lines
Shokenryu I personally would buy the Mako 12 right now. Not many dealers in my area so I would buy via amazon (link below). Mako 12 currently is the same price as the Mako 10 on Amazon. Mako 10 has shipping costs that make it same price as 12. Mako has a better hull shape for cutting through heavy surf and waves than other low priced pedal kayaks. The Mako is rotomolded HDPE vs the Pelican HyDryve is twin sheet thermoformed HMWPE. The Mako 10/12 has instant reverse. The Pelican doesn’t have reverse unless you possibly rotate the pedal drive. Both brands of pedal drives are open to elements and designed to handle saltwater. Some people say Riot Mako drive is a bit noisy but I didn’t think so and they forget that it was designed to be water lubricated. Both myself and my dad who is an engineer were impressed by the Mako and the value for the money. I used to work in rotomolding and my dad deals with lots of manufacturing. We think it is the best deal on a pedal kayak at this time. Brooklyn kayak company makes a cheap pedal kayak but it needs work and didn’t feel reliable. The Mako feels reliable and well made. Riot has been making kayaks for long time. *Mako 12 has free prime shipping right now!* www.amazon.com/dp/B07C7JGKZX/?tag=ytk-20
KayakDIY Wow. Thank you for the in-depth information. I was scratching my head for weeks now. I like how the Riot sits on the water and I have seen all the stability test. The only thing going for me with the catch 130hd was the hobie drive and the open deck design with that price point. Then I searched for price comparison. Thats where the riot came in. I would love to troll for salmon and crabbing near the bay and trout/bass in the lakes near home. You sir are THE MAN!!! Thank you for your input.
Stability is priority #1 for me. I'm getting older and not in the best shape, so getting dumped is not something I look forward to, even though I know it's always a possibility. Having said that, which do you think is more stable, the Pelican or the Riot?
The buttery smoooothness could just be a reflection of what a thermoformed kayak feels like on the water. It just glides better so in theory it's easier on the paddler/pedaler.
Fin drive for going in ultra shallow water....I recommend Lightning kayak for fin drive kayak on a budget. Has lots of features I like. I like propeller for better controlling kayak in moving water and currents. My favorite pedal kayak for the money right now is Ocean Kayak Malibu PDL and Old Town Topwater PDL. Old Town and Ocean Kayak PDL series drives are awesome. I’ve never been paid by them. I’ve never received a kayak from them. I’m not sponsored. Hopefully in future they will work with me so I can review more of their kayaks in depth.
Seat comfort level: 7/10. Could maybe be slightly better but I would be very happy with it at that price. I could be out on it all day no problem. I put Bonafides SS127 seat and Hobie’s Vantage seat at 10/10 rating for reference. Remember this is a prototype. However, as a prototype they scored in my opinion. As for the rudder it was different than Hobie’s and similar to a typical universal style rudder.
The hull felt solid. The deck felt nice and stiff without flexing despite my 195lbs. I own several Pelican kayaks, Hobies, and more. Never had issues with my Pelicans. They are made via TST (Twin Sheet Thermoforming) vs Rotomolding (powder plastic rotational molding). The seam on the side of the kayak is the thickest part of the kayak. The sheets are fused together by melting the sheets together...THEY ARE NOT GLUED (common myth). There kayaks are made with HMWPE (high molecular weight polyethylene) vs HDPE like many other kayaks. Hope this helps. My Instagram (kayakdiy) has a post showing a cut cross section of Pelican hull.
MrJody1978 the height? The height of the seat was adequate and comparable to other pedal kayaks. The side gunnels sit above water line plenty (with 195lbs) and leave me with no concerns. The kayak is good for flats water and light chop. However, at this time I wouldn’t recommend it for offshore ocean waters. The bow has very little flare and I have found than my Pelican kayaks typically get a lot of hull slap trying to go through large waves/surf. So lakes, rivers, and inshore/bay waters is where I feel this kayak can be recommended. It was quite fast on the water and pedal drive was very smooth. I anticipate more pedal drive kayaks from Pelican.
The Pescador Pilot is also $1499 and has a roromolded hull. I like this pedal drive but would never think about buying a kayak that's not roromolded like the Pelican.
Pescador Pilot is usually $1799. We only saw one at $1499 on sale but still had pricey shipping of $149. Pelican often gets their kayaks into common big box stores so many folks can avoid paying that shipping. I have several Pelicans and like the lighterweight hulls. We have a Pelican kayak that has taken a ton of abuse in our saltwater gulf waters. That is just my opinion but respect everyones opinions. I have no connection to Pelican and no sponsorships. I am just giving honest opinions based on my test and past knowledge of many kayaks I have owned and reviewed.
KayakDIY I appreciate your honest feedback. Here in Texas the Pescador Pilot has been at $1499 at local Academy stores for about a month. Now Amazon has them at $1499 free shipping. We have one and its solid for sure! In my mind it's only a matter of time before the 2 piece Pelican hull separates.
Before you go hating on the pelican twin sheet thermoformed hull look into it more. It is flat out one of the toughest hulls on the market. Rotomolding doesnt guaranty a good hull. You can be roto and still be thin. Yes thermo has a seem. Ask anyone that deals with seeming any materiel and youll find out if done right the seem is the strongest point. Look at a cross section of the pelican catch hull at the seem and see that it is double thin and 100% fused making it solid, thick and durable.
I have a great deal of respect for Pelican, despite what people say about them. I have rented many different Pelican's over the years and I can tell you, if you got abuse in mind, they can take it! You would be surprised what some people do to rentals. Those things are like tanks and can definitely take it, but yet paddle like a dream!!!
+NiteWolfe Fishing I'm not hating on anything I was just stating my concerns about them. I've worked in a fabrication shop welding PVC together so I'm aware of the process. There were times where the welds did not hold for whatever reason. I'm sure Pelican has a stringent QC system in place to try to prevent this from happening. However my experience tells me it is possible for these hulls to separate (at some point). If you have one and are happy with it great! There just not an option I am considering in my search for my next kayak.
It does share alot of similarities. However, as I said it feels a bit smoother to pedal. I'm no stranger to Hobies. I own several. This clearly felt smoother and easier to get up to speed. The fins are short unlike Hobie Turbo fins. However, this kayak is pretty lightweight and seems to take less effort and propulsion to really get up and go!
It is TST made with HMWPE "RamX premium". I have several Pelican TST kayaks and never have had issue yet. I love how lightweight and easy to transport they are. I also own and paid $6.7k for a Hobie TI kayak. I'm very non-bias. Rotomolded kayaks aren't the gold standard. I worked in rotomolding for a long time. You can easier get thin spots in rotomolding and the flange where two mold halves come together can lead to small pinholes. Rotomolding involves powdered plastic and if the powder doesn't coat well you get thin spots. This is less of an issue with TST Pelican kayaks. Also, the seam on Pelican kayaks is the thickest part of the hull.
Salmax Kayak I really do hope so, ive been waiting on this yak, I do love the hobie drive and now I see other companies start to use this style of drive. $1499, its a no brainer here, pelican is going to sell a lot of these yaks, I almost purchased a pescador pilot, I'm glad I waited.
In 1890, the Sherman Antitrust Act became the 1st legislation passed by Congress to limit monopolies. Would you like to pay $600 for an EpiPen or $20 for the generic version of the same thing? And if you watched and actually listened to what Justin has said, Pelican has made improvements. So it's actually not a copy.
*Pelican Catch 130 HD Product Recall:*
www.academy.com/content/dam/academysports/product-recalls/Pelican-Recall.pdf
*More Info At Pelican Kayaks:*
www.PelicanSport.com
Pelican just released a prototype pedal drive kayak scheduled to hit the market in the near future. This kayak is the Pelican Catch 130HD HyDryve! It uses fin style pedal drive system that you might find similar to the Hobie kayaks but some differences were noted. It was very smooth to operate in my opinion. It felt smoother to pedal than my Hobie M180 pedal drive. The pedal drive doesn't have reverse, but the drive can be flipped backwards to achieve that. Overall, this kayak is incredibly lightweight, stable, and features a drive which simply works beautifully. It also is one of the lowest priced pedal kayaks on the market at $1,499.
The drive well seems similar to that of Hobie kayaks in terms of dimensions so I imagine it will share some compatibility with Hobie motor kits (to be determined)!
would you be able to fit a mirage 180 in there?
I would be incredibly surprised if you couldn't. Looks like Identical mount spacing and size. I will see if I get an opportunity to try putting a Mirage 180 in one. I know someone who owns a Pelican Hydryve but they are a few hours drive from me. Could possibly test in near future.
Great msrp. I expect to see a lot of these on the water. Thanks for showing the drive.
Marty, My favorite TH-cam guy. Great seeing him there. Because of him I knew to look for this boat and research it. Love it.
Jimmie Mize Marty is a great guy. Fun to be around.
I'm glad to see that they were able to do a pedal drive and it was cool that Marty was there.
We love it too. Marty is awesome. Good guy and fun to chat with. Can't wait till he finishes his kayak rental/fishing business. I will totally be going! I live just a bit south of him.
KayakDIY That's really cool. I've already seen on a FB group that someone posted a video of trying it out today. Not to sound like Trump but this going to be HUGE.
Thanks for getting this info out. They will sell a pile of these things.
Thanks for watching our channel. My friend Aliex will be releasing a video soon as well. I will be adding his video to end of this one so folks can get two perspectives.
Cant wait for it to hit the market I have the Catch nxt 120 and I was gonna upgrade to a pedal drive kayak
Congratulations to Pelican. One thing I see right away. This kayak is easy to paddle making it very versatile at an outstanding price. I own two Hobie PA. I wouldn’t trade them for anything on lakes but I can’t comfortably take them in my shallow rivers and creeks because they are to big to paddle. This kayak has the best of both worlds. Looks great for lakes and shallow water rivers and creeks where those big Smallies live.
I don't know what to say! Well maybe I do. If I wouldn't have recently bought a SP13, I totally would have bought one of these at that price!!!
I think they may have even improved on the Hobie design. When the drive mount for the Hobie wears out (I've never seen it happen, but there's always a possibility) its shot because its just molded plastic. The Pelican is a removable mount and can be replaced (it looks like) and that's a great improvement! Also, I noticed on the rod holders that are staggered, one looks like its facing forward (staging?) and the other facing back (trolling?) and that's an interesting design.
When I first seen the drive I thought the fins were too short to get any speed, but it looks like that thing can move!
Over all, they have my blessing on this one!!! They are going to sell a ton of them!!!
Thank you for bringing this to those of us who couldn't be there Justin!!!
All great points. I do love the staggered rod holders. More options for positioning rods. The short fins don't seem to have an issue getting the kayak moving quick. Thanks Larry!
I thin they are cool too. Definitely something different than the competition. And no one can say they stole that idea from Hobie!!!
Been getting wind of this and now I'm impressed. The price is right.
Love it! Thank god for more pedal options!
TIL Hobies pedal drive patent has expired! Looking forward to what other companies do with this tech!
That's the best price for any pedal drive kayak. But it does not look as robust as the hobie180.
Competition is always good for the consumers.
Thanks for showing. I wish I could be there and check out the hull's construction.
I'm often paddling near/over reefs and sunken timber.
If it's pretty tough, I'll definitely consider buying one.
Some day I might try adding a peddle drive to one of my kayaks. It would be quite the design challenge to make it work.
Awesome video mine should be up later tonight 😎 nice job on getting zoffinger to talk about it, I forgot 😂
Great price point on this kayak a lot more affordable than Hobie, for sure...Interesting, I would like to see it up close....Thanks for the review.
Wow, and at $1499. Awesome!
Looks nice, I will be in the market for a pedal drive for my kids so they can keep up. This might be it.
Looks very interesting and not a bad price either compared to Hobie. A few questions for you. Those fins looked to be shorter than the hobie turbo fins. How was the speed on this kayak compared to a similar hobie? Also, how was the stability? I know you stood up but what were your thoughts there... finally, the comfort of the seat? Thanks.... Eric
Pedal effort was easier and smoother than most Hobie kayaks I have been on. I’m a big Hobie fan and even bought a $6,700 Hobie TI. I love my Hobie’s, but at this price my first pedal kayak would have been this...not a Hobie. If I am telling you that I think the Pelican HyDryve pedals better and smoother than several Hobie’s I have owned you can believe it. I have a similar Hobie drive with shorter fins like this one. This drive visually reminds me of the early Hobie drives but immediately I noticed it felt smoother to pedal and didn’t take much exertion to get up to speed. The kayak is very lightweight and so I would say even with the shorter fins it moves on par with several Hobie Outbacks I have been on.
Seat comfort level: 7/10. Could be better but I would be very happy with it at that price. I could be out on it all day. I put Bonafides SS127 seat and Hobie’s Vantage seat at 10/10 for reference. Remember this is a prototype. However, as a prototype they scored in my opinion.
Thanks Justin... and how was the seat?
ok thanks for the rating on the seat. It is important to me since I also measure against my PA sitting on that for 5 hours at a time while fishing.
I am 6ft 2in and 195lbs for reference
Thank you for this video! A few questions:
1-How is the top speed relative to either Hobie or other brands? Someone suggested the top speed maybe isn't as high as the standard Mirage Drive because of the shorter fins, but they couldn't really tell by the demo.
2-MSRP of $1499, but what is MSRP of just the drive mechanism (if it's truly interchangable with Hobie like suggested in other comments, it opens up interchangability and cheaper upgrade path from Hobie owners)?
3-Does Pelican have any plans to release other version models around a pedal drive console, or update their other products to come with a pedal drive ready console, but no pedal drive included?
Would be cool as well if they made a Catch 100 HD for a couple hundred cheaper. Currently fishing out of a 100 and I love it, only thing missing is a drive 😏
You might be interested in this then. It was $999 and looked to be the best deal in pedal kayaks. I plan to get one. th-cam.com/video/sATrSQnFtAk/w-d-xo.html
@@KayakDIY I do like the look of that one. I'm keeping my eye open for reviews from some of the bigger kayak channels like yourself, aliex, ect.
Looks really nice, the price is phenomenal. Looks like its lost a lot of storage from the 120s though
More top deck storage less in hull storage options.
Very nice! That's pretty awesome. Love the video!
Well here's an issue, so I spend 1200 bucks to put a rudder and prop/pedal drive on my feelfree lure, or perhaps pick up one of these with a hobie styled drive. When off the pedals do the fins fold or go straight down also?
I wonder if it does well on a beach launch. Waves!!!
Shokenryu my instinct and past experience with a variety of kayaks would say no. The bow has no flare and is really flat. I’m sure it is possible to surf launch but not ideal hull shape in bow.
The Riot Mako I filmed for $999 was designed to go through surf. That was one of the design goals.
Very interesting. I wish they come in different sizes.
More options might come later.
Cant wait to try it
Excellent video. I may have to buy one!
Does/will it have a place to mount a transducer???? Nice video, looks like a nice boat!
I’ve been thinking about guying a pedal drive assembly and fitting it to a seaghost 130.
that's outstanding and it will retail for 2000 less than the Hobie.pro angler 14. insane.
yup. i look at this like athletic clothing. most of it is made from polyester. the same NIKE polyester shirt youl see in dicks for 40 dollars you czn get from walmart for 5 bucks. just doesnt have a NIKE symbol on it. with hobie youre paying for the name i feel
My next kayak
Hmmm......I wonder if you could obtain just the mounting base of the Hydrive, you know, the plastic that makes contact with the boat and try to install a 35 lb thrust electric motor in order to have a cheap motorized kayak
You can buy Hobie’s. They use modular drive well on the inflatable and the new passport.
Wonder??? If able to lift out pedal drive, spin around 180 degrees, set drive back down and pedal in reverse.
RIVER GOONIE yes you can. I also would bet you could use a Hobie pedal drive interchangeably in the Pelican drive well. Could likely put a M180 drive in one as well and have reverse. The drive looks to have identical dimensions.
Apparently, they have locking pins that keep the drive in place. Release the locking pins, turn the drive around , lock it back down and you are in reverse.
Larry have you tried this yourself ? It’s not like I am there to give it try. How do you know you can simply turn the pedal drive around and the pedal drive well housing will accept the pedal drive. Then you couldn’t properly lock the pins or the locking mechanism correctly and drive would be secure.
Aliex's video showed some of the way it locks into place. I wish I could have been there to try it out but you have to be invited to icast. But based on what I saw and a lifetime of experience, I'm pretty sure.
Larry, yes thanks. Just seen Aliex’s video.
Hi, does the seat have high and low adjustability or is it just one position? It seemed a bit low to me, also how do you lower the ruder into position? Thanks for the video
There is a pull strap on the right side that raises and lowers the rudder.
How to avail these if am outside the US. am currently stationed here in UAE. and am looking to buy my new kayak. And these is looks impressive with the prize range $1499 for a fishing kayak. Hopefully to here from you soon guys. Tight lines
Nice.
How tall are you?
I feel like the only downfall is not being able to go in reverse. Other than that. Really nice.
If you ever found a cheaper used Hobie MD180 It fits.
Did you like the rudder control?
How does this compare to the Riot mako 10/12? I'm at a toss up and the price is dead even.
Shokenryu I personally would buy the Mako 12 right now. Not many dealers in my area so I would buy via amazon (link below). Mako 12 currently is the same price as the Mako 10 on Amazon. Mako 10 has shipping costs that make it same price as 12.
Mako has a better hull shape for cutting through heavy surf and waves than other low priced pedal kayaks. The Mako is rotomolded HDPE vs the Pelican HyDryve is twin sheet thermoformed HMWPE. The Mako 10/12 has instant reverse. The Pelican doesn’t have reverse unless you possibly rotate the pedal drive. Both brands of pedal drives are open to elements and designed to handle saltwater. Some people say Riot Mako drive is a bit noisy but I didn’t think so and they forget that it was designed to be water lubricated. Both myself and my dad who is an engineer were impressed by the Mako and the value for the money. I used to work in rotomolding and my dad deals with lots of manufacturing. We think it is the best deal on a pedal kayak at this time. Brooklyn kayak company makes a cheap pedal kayak but it needs work and didn’t feel reliable. The Mako feels reliable and well made. Riot has been making kayaks for long time.
*Mako 12 has free prime shipping right now!*
www.amazon.com/dp/B07C7JGKZX/?tag=ytk-20
KayakDIY Wow. Thank you for the in-depth information. I was scratching my head for weeks now. I like how the Riot sits on the water and I have seen all the stability test.
The only thing going for me with the catch 130hd was the hobie drive and the open deck design with that price point. Then I searched for price comparison.
Thats where the riot came in. I would love to troll for salmon and crabbing near the bay and trout/bass in the lakes near home.
You sir are THE MAN!!! Thank you for your input.
Stability is priority #1 for me. I'm getting older and not in the best shape, so getting dumped is not something I look forward to, even though I know it's always a possibility. Having said that, which do you think is more stable, the Pelican or the Riot?
James Glenn Riot is more stable and going to handle waves better.
It is smooth because it is new. Give it time and it will loosen up just like the 180. My 180 is smooth, but not as smooth as when I first got it.
The buttery smoooothness could just be a reflection of what a thermoformed kayak feels like on the water. It just glides better so in theory it's easier on the paddler/pedaler.
Does it look like you can mount a sail? I'm saving pennies for the PA12 or 14 since it sails as well as fishing.
Not that I saw. However there are several third part kayak sail companies. I love Falcon sails. Eventually plan to get one for my Viking kayak.
KayakDIY thanks, I'll look into that!
so which pedal drive is better? the fin style like this or the one with the boat prop style?
Fin drive for going in ultra shallow water....I recommend Lightning kayak for fin drive kayak on a budget. Has lots of features I like. I like propeller for better controlling kayak in moving water and currents. My favorite pedal kayak for the money right now is Ocean Kayak Malibu PDL and Old Town Topwater PDL. Old Town and Ocean Kayak PDL series drives are awesome. I’ve never been paid by them. I’ve never received a kayak from them. I’m not sponsored. Hopefully in future they will work with me so I can review more of their kayaks in depth.
I thought hobie owned the patent to that design of drive?
patent is up
How was the chair? Was rudder made differently from Hobie?
Seat comfort level: 7/10. Could maybe be slightly better but I would be very happy with it at that price. I could be out on it all day no problem. I put Bonafides SS127 seat and Hobie’s Vantage seat at 10/10 rating for reference. Remember this is a prototype. However, as a prototype they scored in my opinion.
As for the rudder it was different than Hobie’s and similar to a typical universal style rudder.
Hey i just bought one of those kayaks and one of the flippers broke of do u know where I can get another new part at
Juan Martinez suggest contacting dealer you bought from or contact Pelican International directly via their website. That is how I would go about it.
Thanks for the video brother
No problem thanks for stopping by! More videos to come. We are at iCAST all week! I have another upload even coming in the next hour!
Always watch your videos man. Anytime
How is it possible for them to so closely copy the design of Movies Mirage drive without being sued?
Since it is so light, how did the quality feel of the hull? Thick or thin?
The hull felt solid. The deck felt nice and stiff without flexing despite my 195lbs. I own several Pelican kayaks, Hobies, and more. Never had issues with my Pelicans. They are made via TST (Twin Sheet Thermoforming) vs Rotomolding (powder plastic rotational molding). The seam on the side of the kayak is the thickest part of the kayak. The sheets are fused together by melting the sheets together...THEY ARE NOT GLUED (common myth). There kayaks are made with HMWPE (high molecular weight polyethylene) vs HDPE like many other kayaks. Hope this helps. My Instagram (kayakdiy) has a post showing a cut cross section of Pelican hull.
I know you were not in it very long, but how was the seat?
Seat felt fine. I think I could be comfortable in it for an entire day. I’m 6ft 2in and 195lbs.
KayakDIY Did the height seem ok for fishing as far as not being to low?
MrJody1978 the height?
The height of the seat was adequate and comparable to other pedal kayaks. The side gunnels sit above water line plenty (with 195lbs) and leave me with no concerns. The kayak is good for flats water and light chop. However, at this time I wouldn’t recommend it for offshore ocean waters. The bow has very little flare and I have found than my Pelican kayaks typically get a lot of hull slap trying to go through large waves/surf. So lakes, rivers, and inshore/bay waters is where I feel this kayak can be recommended. It was quite fast on the water and pedal drive was very smooth. I anticipate more pedal drive kayaks from Pelican.
How stable was it
Has it been Ocean tested?
0:56 WHO do we find on the dock talking away? Aliex Folgueira for sure! He's leading the conversation and all eyes are on him.
Haha, I invited him under my channel name to iCAST. He said he couldn’t get in. 😉
I’ve filmed so many iCAST videos I get media badges comped.
The Pescador Pilot is also $1499 and has a roromolded hull. I like this pedal drive but would never think about buying a kayak that's not roromolded like the Pelican.
Pescador Pilot is usually $1799. We only saw one at $1499 on sale but still had pricey shipping of $149. Pelican often gets their kayaks into common big box stores so many folks can avoid paying that shipping. I have several Pelicans and like the lighterweight hulls. We have a Pelican kayak that has taken a ton of abuse in our saltwater gulf waters.
That is just my opinion but respect everyones opinions. I have no connection to Pelican and no sponsorships. I am just giving honest opinions based on my test and past knowledge of many kayaks I have owned and reviewed.
KayakDIY I appreciate your honest feedback. Here in Texas the Pescador Pilot has been at $1499 at local Academy stores for about a month. Now Amazon has them at $1499 free shipping. We have one and its solid for sure! In my mind it's only a matter of time before the 2 piece Pelican hull separates.
Before you go hating on the pelican twin sheet thermoformed hull look into it more. It is flat out one of the toughest hulls on the market. Rotomolding doesnt guaranty a good hull. You can be roto and still be thin. Yes thermo has a seem. Ask anyone that deals with seeming any materiel and youll find out if done right the seem is the strongest point.
Look at a cross section of the pelican catch hull at the seem and see that it is double thin and 100% fused making it solid, thick and durable.
I have a great deal of respect for Pelican, despite what people say about them. I have rented many different Pelican's over the years and I can tell you, if you got abuse in mind, they can take it! You would be surprised what some people do to rentals. Those things are like tanks and can definitely take it, but yet paddle like a dream!!!
+NiteWolfe Fishing I'm not hating on anything I was just stating my concerns about them. I've worked in a fabrication shop welding PVC together so I'm aware of the process. There were times where the welds did not hold for whatever reason. I'm sure Pelican has a stringent QC system in place to try to prevent this from happening. However my experience tells me it is possible for these hulls to separate (at some point). If you have one and are happy with it great! There just not an option I am considering in my search for my next kayak.
More like the Catch 130 Hobie Drive.
It does share alot of similarities. However, as I said it feels a bit smoother to pedal. I'm no stranger to Hobies. I own several. This clearly felt smoother and easier to get up to speed. The fins are short unlike Hobie Turbo fins. However, this kayak is pretty lightweight and seems to take less effort and propulsion to really get up and go!
great stuff.
Thanks 😊
That's wicket 👍👍
i think those are called yakattack mounts
Is there a reverse??
If you flip drive backwards like previous model Hobies you have reverse.
Can I use this for back bays in nj
Jack B at moment I would say anything that is relatively calm waters. Most Pelicans have pretty flat hulls with no bow flare for surf/waves.
i wonder what the msrp is for canadians
MSRP for Canadians is $1999 keep your eyes peeled at your local stores!
Can you fit 2 people on that?
No. Maybe 1 adult and small child.
Native Titan 13.5, Hobie Pro Angler 14, and obviously Hobie Tandem pedal kayaks can be fitted for two adults easily.
Why didnt you try and stand up in it? That would have been nice to see
Travis Mathews you apparently didn’t watch the video. 😉
Your were in Orlando cool
dmfool21 sure was...going again this year for iCAST 2019. It is one of my favorite events of the year.
Because of the auto I have, I need a 10 ft. pedal drive not 12 / 13 ft. Looks like I'll never get one, you think? This Vietnam Vet is out in the cold.
Mako 10 by Riot. MSRP $999
Rather just get a Compass for a little more! Imo
More than "looks like Hobie" I would venture to say Hobie licenced it to Pelican
Looks alot better than the Pilot, that thing was junk
$$$👍👍👌👌
I think Marty was not in the mood to talk...
No reverse. No deal
flip the drive around
No quick reverse is a deal killer for me as a freshwater angler. Too bad.
I'm freshwater to but i'm willing to over look the reverse, there are ways around it.
999.00 would've sold them by the train load
We actually made a video on a pedal kayak that was at iCAST for $999. I really liked it.
Is it a solid mold or still 2 molds?
It is TST made with HMWPE "RamX premium". I have several Pelican TST kayaks and never have had issue yet. I love how lightweight and easy to transport they are. I also own and paid $6.7k for a Hobie TI kayak. I'm very non-bias.
Rotomolded kayaks aren't the gold standard. I worked in rotomolding for a long time. You can easier get thin spots in rotomolding and the flange where two mold halves come together can lead to small pinholes. Rotomolding involves powdered plastic and if the powder doesn't coat well you get thin spots. This is less of an issue with TST Pelican kayaks. Also, the seam on Pelican kayaks is the thickest part of the hull.
KayakDIY is it very stable? Is it really just $1500? If it as light as you say it is then it shouldn't be a problem roof racking it right?
They must have changed the design just enough to avoid patent issues.
Patent expired!
nativeloup interesting. Thanks for the reply
I see hobie suing the crap out of pelican very soon
304Life nope... the Patton for their pedal drive has expired allowing other manufacturers to make their own version
Not gonna happen, hobies patent is up, about time other companies take advantage.
emtp 101
I see Hobie recalculating their pricing...
Salmax Kayak I really do hope so, ive been waiting on this yak, I do love the hobie drive and now I see other companies start to use this style of drive. $1499, its a no brainer here, pelican is going to sell a lot of these yaks, I almost purchased a pescador pilot, I'm glad I waited.
@@SalmaxKayak lol Hobie actually went up on their prices
It's the same drive as the old hobie's had
No reverse???? Omg!! That sux!!!! That explains the $1499
velocity800 Hobies don’t have reverse and they are 3000-4000
Yup that looks like the lowest priced pedal kayak. so funny.
Thank goodness the hobie patent is expired. Was sick of their overpriced kayaks. Sorry, but I’m not spending 3000 dollars on a pedal yak.
No reverse = no buy.
Wow that looks exactly like my Hobie 180, nothing like riding the backs off of others inventions. JS
Like light bulbs, automobiles, computers, ball point pens....etc....
Rich Belfiore that excuse makes it all ok then
Been happening for 100 years. All of a sudden it's not ok?
Rich Belfiore enjoy your sloppy second
In 1890, the Sherman Antitrust Act became the 1st legislation passed by Congress to limit monopolies. Would you like to pay $600 for an EpiPen or $20 for the generic version of the same thing? And if you watched and actually listened to what Justin has said, Pelican has made improvements. So it's actually not a copy.
Hobie will sue them ...
Nope! Patent expired.
No reverse, no sale.
Hobie will sue for sure
“Referencing the hobie drive because it’s similar” it’s exactly the same!! Smdh...
Looks like a rip off of the hobie design. Go figure.
Knock off