Pioneer DJ DDJ-FLX10 Review: One Controller To Rule Them All? Beatsource Tech
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มิ.ย. 2024
- While at first glance it might look like a simple successor to the DDJ-1000, the Pioneer DJ DDJ-FLX10 brings a lot of new elements to the table. Included is support for both Serato DJ Pro and rekordbox, a built-in DMX interface, and advanced workflows for stems, a new feature in the rekordbox software. Mojaxx provides an in-depth review on this episode of #BeatsourceTech.
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0:00 Intro
2:19 FX
3:45 Stems
6:53 Rekordbox Stems Workflows
14:42 Serato Stems Workflows
19:01 Hardware
21:14 Connectivity
23:42 Jog Displays
24:26 Software Mappings
25:09 Mix Point Link
27:38 DMX Output
29:10 Conclusion - เพลง
I could listen to Mojaxx read an old phonebook and he'd still put me in a good mood
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Damn, this is a wonderful bit of kit. Time to upgrade the DDJ-1000 and wait for RB to improve the algorithm
I love the way you break out all this into easy to follow bits. But you still blew my mind with the stems mapping options. That is going to allow so much awesome flexibility. I can't wait to see what happens as imaginations run with this..
Just came here to say I’m such a fan of this channel and all the hard work you do Mojaxx. I appreciate you man. Love your vids
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@@Mojaxx easily the best dj gear reviews on youtube. no contest
@@lxxwj DigitalDJTips also release objective and good stuff. But Mojaxx is great, too.
Both channels rock.
Agreed! When new gear is coming out, I always look forward to Mojaxx' reviews and final thoughts. He's help me make decisions on what kit to get next.
@@Mojaxx do you know if Serato FXs are available (as post-fader) on this controller?
Wow! I’m glad the 1000 srt’s successor is finally here, and with notable improvements. Those stems effects workflows are dope!
Glad I waited for this . I’m putting in my order today !.. Excellent review by the way .
Brilliant video! I was a superclub DJ for 17 years and was one of the first adopters of playing / mixing MP3's in 2000, we got laughed at back then. Was one of the first to use the original CDJ's and was honoured to have pioneer come to the club one night to ask us what features we'd like to see added. I said, "imagine if you could plug in a USB with all your tracks on it" The industry has changed so much. I haven't dj'd since 2011 but looking to get one of these to "play"
Excellent review, as usual. Ive only ever owned pioneer controllers (4 0r 5 total) After watching this and expecting this to come out later this year, i'm extremely happy I copped the RANE FOUR!
Wow! Great review and love that Pioneer FLX 10 hit the right note. When I started DJing, I use Virtual DJ on the WEGO 4. That was my first controller. I like with VDJ was doing. It was a great software to use if you are learning the basics. I knew if I wanted to play out using the pro DJ gear I had to use Rekorbox. I upgraded to the DDJ 400 for that purpose. As much as Serato and other DJ software are improving, I prefer to stick with RB. I have been using it since my upgrade to the DDJ 400 and currently using the DDJ800. I wonder if Pioneer tends on upgrading it.
Another solid overview MOJAX
I was/am team Serato but switched to Rekordbox because the playlist feature allowed me to leave my laptop behind at a lot of club gigs where I’d always run into a pair of pioneer CDJs. No Serato Face. And the less I have to carry to a gig the better. If I’m playing video which I do a fair bit whilst streaming from home I like the feature set found in Serato Video. You’ve got another banga review video here Mojaxx! ✊🏽
Best review for FLX10 on here, thank you. I have a rev7 sitting in the box which i'll be replacing with this as i need the additional channels and the iso stem eq feature is vital for me.
This is honestly the controller I have been waiting for. I got the FLX-6 and was really pleased when it came out, as I feel it was targeted at my skill group, that being decently intermediate. Plenty of pro performance level tools to use, but still simple enough to really learn and get comfortable. But as I have used it more and more, and also used more club style CDJ set ups more and more, I really yearn for those kinds of features on the FLX-6, and this controller fits all of them. Which is really cool. Definitely going to be looking at picking one of these up!
I feel exactly the same. Bought the FLX6 when it came out. Even though it works fine, it feels a bit crippled when used to the pro gear. The fx just work slightly different and become annoying. Also thinking of selling it and throw in (a lot) extra cash and order the FLX 10. It has everything I want and more 😊
Great review Mojaxx. Started on TSP since the beginning and moved to Serato Live about 6 years ago due to equipment compatibility issues at the clubs/bars that I was resident at. Now I’m selling my 1000srt and getting this thanks to ur recommendation. Still love the Z2 mixer and DVS of Traktor tho. Rane MK2 tables seems to drift quite often
I've been DJing for good 8 years and the flexibility is almost too much to wrap my head around. Great work Pioneer. Just hoping they can do more work on that separation algorithm.
use vdj or serato
Eight years and you're confused? Try 34 years for me, Djing since 1989.
I’m still on Pioneer DDJ SX - did a gig last Saturday/ and I’m now looking to upgrade/ was looking at REV 7- or this FLX10
Thx Dj Good tutorial. I was in-between the Flx10 and the RX3 . .
Again... Superb Video and comparison in terms of Stems!
Was on Traktor for 7 years but moved to Rekordbox in 2017 with the launch of the RX2. Used to play in export mode with pro dj link but fully moved to USB in 2018
Thanks for the Breakdown I’ve seen enough to make a decision!
Good review...and I have to say your voice is very pleasant to listen to
I recently switched from djay pro to serato mainly because I wanted to use the rane 4. The work flow is similar but I do miss being able to use multiple streaming platforms at the same time and adding streaming tracks to my crates hopefully these features will eventually come to serato but I can see myself switching back if djay starts fully supporting the rane 4.
Thanks for the vid, interesting stuff! I moved from Traktor to Rekordbox about 2 years back. Used Traktor for about 10 years, first with timecode vinyl, then CDs, then CDJs in HID mode. Switched to rekordbox cos HID support for Traktor was missing on a lot of Pioneer CDJs and devices I'd encounter in clubs/at events. Haven't looked back for me Rekordbox works great, I've the DDJ1000 and it's just simple moving between it and HID mode on the CDJs when I'm out. Glad to see this supports Serato too, more open hardware/software is always better. Looks great, but for me the DDJ1000 still does enough so probably won't upgrade.
Went from Traktor to Engine when I bought sc6000ms. Love the simplicity and the streaming.
Both shite compared to Rekordbox & Serato.
@@TheFunkloft You're shite compared to anyone.
@@TheFunkloft Youre shite compared to everyone.
Great vid as always thanx Mojaxx! I've been a long time Serato (Denon) user who recently upgraded to the Pioneer DDJ RX3 & Reckordbox. It was a head fuck trying to learn & navigate Reckordbox which I did but found it personally cluttered and overwhelming. I've sine sold that unit and gone back to using my Denon MC4000 as I like the simplicity yet power of Serato. I think when I do upgrade next it might well be the Rane 4 or I love the look and feel of the Denon SC5000/6000 perhaps with a rotary mixer...!?
Wicked! great video as always.
Finally Reckordbox and Serato DJ support!
Off topic but mojaxx is looking really good nowadays. I want to do whatever he’s doing.
Keto diet FTW!
Another quality review from the best in the biz!!! Thank you brother 🤙🏻 hanging out for an xz2 to replace my xz ! COME ON PIONEER DJ!!!
with the opus just dropping doubt there will be an xz 2 anytime soon
@@shadie2k there never will be. People have to face the fact that the Opus is the XDJ-XZ2! Pioneer want Djs to believe it's not because of the tremendous backlash they got. As long as the 4 CDJ/DJM combo exists, they will NEVER do a similar layout controller which can substitute that.
Still hanging on to my Traktor setup, but with new hardware like this and the Rane Four coming out, it gets harder every day not to switch! Love the stems workflow on this and the Rane Four - amazing creative potential.
Thanks for another awesome vid Mojaxx! 🙌
I actually switched to Virtual DJ because their Stems are the best at the moment and they eventually become compatible with all of the controllers and hardware in the market. I love traktor and wish they would partner with 3rd party providers such as Pioneer and Denon but it just doesn't seem like it's going to happen so now I use VDJ and Rekordbox and moved on from Traktor. The only thing I miss is my remix decks.
I'm right there with you. I was so ready to leave Traktor then I got into using 4 Band eq and now 3 band mixing is boring to me.
Watch Traktor do stems separation better than SERATO and VDJ.
@@SantinoP619 There might be a way to do it better. But most of you fail at using it properly anyway, so why worry about it.
I can still play effectively on 1200's with a basic mixer not a 72. You guys use lots of this stuff as crutches for your lack of skill.
Fully agreed
Crushing it Mr Mojaxx
Thanks for this super detailed video 😮🔥💜
Mojaxx you're a don. Wasn't too bothered about Stems before but your demo here has changed my mind, I've all sorts of ideas now.
I switched long ago from Stanton Final Scratch to Serato Scratch Live - still rocking timecode vinyl with my Rane 72
You look great an inspiration to all Mojaxx keep it up
The stretch effect would work well on certain breakdowns. Be great for Drum N Bass music.
the best honest review ever!!!! respect!
I went from serato to Engine because I like standalone systems (sc6000) and denon has continuously given us major updates to the software so I’m always excited to see what gets added lol
Pioneer always killing it love the 4 channels
Serato to Engine to Traktor for me. I was looking for my perfect setup having tried controllers and standalone and went down the separates route. I now have xone 96 mixer, 2 turntables and 2 X1 MK2 controllers. I wasn’t precious about software, rather the hardware was the key decision for me.
The price increase stings a bit, but it does include the DMX controller, not just stems and new FX. PioneerDJ could have just added the basic stems, but they didn't, they expanded it to the FX panel too, a very nice touch.
Also DDJ 1000's have been discontinued.
My DDJ-1000 Rekordbox backorder got cancelled - I'm stoked for this upgrade! The FX on the stems is a massive advantage
Your review and comparison showing the diff in sound quality w stems amazing that’s what I needed to better understand. So question. You mentioned Pioneer needing to improve their separation engine. Is it fair to assume, that work would happen and improvements could show up on updates of RBX?
This is getting closer to what I'm looking for. Still not happy with the lack of Flip controls from within serato. Would have loved scratch bank. Still prefer capacitive touch jogs, but it seems a solid competitor to the rane 4.
Well done pioneer dj the flex 10 is an all round controller for all dj softwear available for stems even mapping for traktor
Very nice hardware I almost feel that this would be the next step up for me but using DJ808's sequencer is still a huge addon so hopefully a future upgrade from Roland to introduce stems in the future.
Great video sounds great audio DJ music 👍
Great review - I jumped the gun on the opus quad, would’ve considered this one instead.
As far as Rane vs Pioneer. I fell in love with flicking my fx on the given channel like s9 ect that the fx set up in the bottom corner and having to continuously change the channel to trigger fx makes me like the rane better.
Spectacular Controller and Spectacular Video!
Great review as always...I use a DDJ1000 with VDJ 2023 (18 years now with this software) I'm thinking is it worth me selling mine and buying the Flex10? I do like the look of the box, The Opus Prime is outta my league sadley.
Started with Torq, then moved to Traktor, finally finished with rekordbox as it made my life easier to have everything in one place.
Great review Mojaxx. Thanks for the stems demo on both platforms. The price great! Have you had a chance to play on a decent sound system with it? Hopefully the sound card is great. I used Traktor before I switched to serato. Their Stems were the bests I ever heard. They used a different Audio format for them. However, if you made Traktor Stems yourself, it required 3rd party software. The results were shotty at best in my opinion. I’m sure rekordbox will tighten up their stems algorithm. Will be interesting to watch it all play out between different dj software, now that rekordbox is in the mix. (No pun intended)
Serato stems are great, VDJ is ahead though (but required a GPU for live work). What I'd love to see is a format where stems can be precomputed by whatever software and read by rekordbox/serato as a standard. Flac has 5.1 and 7.1 formats for surround, so basically 4 stems could fit in the 7.1 format. Just needs to be decoded correctly. That way it doesn't require heavy CPU.
Great video Chris
I have been rekordbox user since I started. First I had a ddj-400, but I got a Denon DJ Prime Go instead now, however, still using rekordbox as source because it in my opinion has the best library management (I use tagging and intelligent playlists associated with the tags). I love the Prime Go and that it can read rekordbox library, use streaming services, run engine lighting etc, but effects arent great and I would like something to scratch on comfortably as well. FLX10 could be the alternative controller for me.
Going to order me one of these today!
Looks great. Thanks for video. So question is FLX10 or Rane four?
I was a HUGE fan of Pioneer....until the Rane 4 came out. The paddle FX are much better, as well as the implementation of the one button stem split feature. Also, the Oled screens above the pads are a game changer. I can't see myself using another controller without it
Same, I was DDJ-SX, then upgraded to the DDJ100srt after waiting months for it to come, but didnt like the FX workflow, now I've ordered the RANE four... I need to sell my SX and DDJ-1000SRT now!
@@seb4213 that’s funny, I also had a DDJ-SX until my Rane Four arrived last week. Used it for 10 years without any issue! If not for the new Stems, I probably wouldn’t have upgraded it either because it still works like a champ lol
Love your work. But that song though, haha. Cheers Mojaxx!
😮 Pioneer is officially a lone survivor pioneer with this FLEX 10 😊 i bet this controller will set the standard for Legendary DJs. 😱🤑 Prion Jo ni good job sir 🤯 thank you 🙏🏼🥵😁🥰
Can´t wait to get mine!
I'm a tech head. I started off with VDJ which I still use from time to time. I have mostly used Traktor since October 2013 but have now been using Rekordbox DJ with a DJM-S7 paired with a set of XDJ-700's or a DDJ-800. I have Serato as well but have only used it when using another DJ's setup from time to time. Traktor is still my favorite. VDJ is like the swiss army knife of the DJ software world and has saved my bacon on quite a few occasions. Rekordbox is good, but there are a few quirks I hope they figure out that I plan on posting about in the Pioneer DJ forums.
I’ve recently started using Traktor DVS and found it more reliable than RB DVS, the program and library management to be less user friendly than RB.
What quirks do you find with RB?
@@craigbishop4644 the biggest one there is relates to sync. RB assumes when you sync two tracks together that the user wants to make the one track as fast or slow as the original BPM of the track the user syncs to it. The software then changes the pitch range automatically. SO if you want to go from a track playing at 100 BPM to a track playing at 126 BPM the software changes the pitch range to "WIDE." unless the user is aware or is looking at the screen to see this change, as soon as you move the tempo fader the BPM goes absolutely wild! Trakltor does not do this. It stays at the range set and never changes no matter what. I find this feature behavior in RB very strange. VDJ, Traktor , and Serato do not do this. They behave the same versus RB. It's irritating to say the least. There are a few threads about it in the Pioneer DJ forums.
Pioneer Just made the Best "DJ CONTROLLER" in the world! The fact that it uses both Sodtwares make it so much more valuable! 😳❤️
Quality, useful review
What a great review! But still not sure: do the color fx and beat fx work with real vinyl? If so, i think i found the right controller after months of checking reviews 🎉
Done, I'm buying one!
Hey mojaxx, you look like you lost a lot of weight. Mad respect! Thanks for the reviews!
This is it! This is the one!
Great review Mojaxx are the USB C’s Powered?
Gr8 vid & thnx from Toronto. This will be my upgrade from my current Numark NVii to this is huge step up. Thanx 4 the goods, bads & ugly on this controller, I think it will be my 2023 purchase. Just a little disappointed on the DMX & what it's limited to. Guess i'll stay with the DMX controller.
also works amazing on vdj. esp the stems.
I find the dual deck mode confusing. Would probably mess up what you call logical during a play. Guess it will work with practice. Thank you for a great demonstration, very useful!
Great video…thank you! I’ve asked Pioneer in the past, but why can’t we bounce around within a loop with cue points in Rekordbox? You can in Serato…just part of the way I like to mix. Take care
I would love to see this in a new combination of the Pioneer / DDJ-RZ / DDJ-SZ2 which is a level higher with it's build-in power brick. Don't need the portability since i have the DDJ-SZ2 that looks and feels great.
This looks dope! I started with VDJ cause somebody gave it to me. Got good with that but as I started getting more professional DJ friends I saw ALL of them used Serato so I naturally joined them and have not looked back!!! The only way outside of Serato that I would want to get better with us just CDJs straight up with the mixer. Passed that ain’t nothing touching Serato in my mind lol
TBH Rekordbox makes Serato look like a joke in every way, I'd give it a try....
In my case i started on vdj, tried serato and went right back cause serato just wasn't as reliable in a few ways for me. Today VDJ has the best stems .... and if it was added to the vid when the comparisons were made it would hv shown it. Serato has some catchin up to do there but as for rekordbox stems... it's worse.
I still use VDJ there is no advantage to Serato that sounds like you bought because others had it.
VDJ is very much the go to software for working DJ's. It does video before the others added it, Karaoke and DVS.
It has a great stems engine. That is fine until I see some better examples than I've seen it's not that important.
Most of you need to work on your craft more than adding more technology.
I have been DJ'ing since 1986, do the math.
Agreed.
I have the free version of rekordbox just to analyze my files for when I'm playing out on a system where they have rekordbox decks. Otherwise I use serato for my personal use and have all the features I need without having to continuously pay like I would with rekordbox. It looks like you can't even record your mixes with rekordbox unless you're in one of the pay categories. For that alone I'll stick with serato
@@dj4monie I’m happy it’s working for you. I moved over because Serato was, and really still is, the professional standard and I liked it better lol. Rekordbox (program) is the other standard at this point too for laptop DJing. I have nothing against VDJ but I have never seen anyone use it in any situation other than bedroom DJing and very small events.
It’s like the google pixel of the DJ world: Actually pretty good, may have features first, but only a select few really care about it. Serato did an Apple with the stems and didn’t do it first but did it better when they debuted it.
Again, this is the opinion from a DJ in Atlanta, GA whose been spinning from 2007. Your area may vary.
I've always stayed on Traktor since it came out in the early 2000s. Although it has lagged behind in recent years (at some point it was basically abandonware) it still offers more than enough for my basic DJ needs. Got to say though, stems are finally getting there since Traktor introduced them over a decade ago. I really hope Traktor will come with an update on their stems functionality although I'm afraid that will end up behind their horrible subscription paywall.
Stem separation for Traktor coming soon, powerd by izotope! But it will only come for premium subscription
Yep, Traktors new subscription model sucks. Also their hardware is starting to feel out of date, so controllers like this Pioneer could make some people jump ship!
@@cloony1 The problem with Traktor is its .always coming "Soon" while other DJ softwares are on their "Toes"...Traktor is on its "Heals" . I have their subscription service and the only tangible thing we got in 9-12 months is a "pattern player" and compression. It seems like they aren't listening to what DJ's want. I will be cancelling my subscription prior to it renewing shortly
Yes,I'm a traktor user ,if they don't release new hardware this year I will have to jump ship
@@cloony1 That would be unacceptable. Since they have actually become very useful, stems should be considered now as key functionality within all modern DJ software. Like integration with streaming services was in the past few years. Not just some optional premium paywall feature.
Is the serato 4-8 bar etc loop facility sorted or do we have to remap like on the SRT -1000. Nice video Chris it could be time to sell my 1000 on !
works great with vdj too.
I think the only real reason I would sell my 1000SRT is if Sound Switch adds the FLX10 as a supported DMX controller, the rest of the upgrades are nice, especially the sound, jog display view, and jog response. But the rest is basically the same, either way I do want to try it out my self, maybe then I´ll want to just change to the FLX10.
It’s got SIMON (1980’s childrens toy) inbuilt! I’m old enough to remember what simon looked like but can’t remember ever playing with it
flx-10 make me get a DDJ-1000 even more then ever , it feels kinda gimmicky , hope everyone buy flx-10 and ddj 1000 prices goes down :D and as always thnks for the great video man
It would be nice you guys would also highlight the ongoing distribution issues for all poineer equipment.. Anyone trying to order these is looking at a 6 month wait for delivery
For me Serato all the. However, I think, they need to make Stem a bit more lighter on the processor.
Hopefully pioneers dj will bring out some stand-alone moving platters. That wound be good.
Thx 4 the Vid.
Does it have a preview function on board …?
Thx
Im a noob but traktor s4 / dvs to rekordbox dvs with the 1000 and now just pulled the trigger on a prime go to drop the laptop. I use streaming as my primary music source anyway so thats great 👍 just hate that i have to subscribe to rekordbox for dvs support so had been thinking of switching to serato but i enjoy their rekordbox library management/ streaming more so biting the subscribe bullet for now.
Great review - be is it the same dimensions as the DDJ-1000?
It’s slightly bigger. Not much.
I’ve had the flx 6 since it came out and I hate it, with a passion! Can’t wait to get my hands on this bit of kit to see if it’s actually as good as it looks!
Rekordbox is cool but it has too many issues to use professionally for me.
Great review as always.
Just a question regarding USB-C though, will it power my MacBook air, or do I need to run a separate power supply?
Sadly no power delivery. I’m really hoping that becomes a thing!
Thank you! 🌈
I got 3000 but ordered now the flx10. For me its the perfect mobile controller for the next 4 Years. Whats the name of the song? Very nice
Thank you for this. You have solved a couple of my issues 8 was trying to figure out with my new flx10. I was wondering if you could help me figure out why my tracks are clipping ? Is it my laptop or could it be the USBC cables that are not good enough? I couldn't use the cable it came with because my USB c port does not work on my laptop so I am using usb a to usb c cable instead . Also how to change the tension on the platters? I would really really appreciate any advice you could give to help me out.
Thank you again for clearing up the proper use of the features .
Traktor user here since using laptop but will use Ableton solely if NI pull the plug.
I went from Traktor to Rekordbox because all locations around here use Pioneer standalone gear and I was sick preparing my collection in two systems. No regrets as Native is lacking behind so much at the moment.
it finally makes sene with the midpoint stuff I thing its for making mash ups on the fly I can start an acapella while im free to take stems out on the opposite deck at least that's how it makes sense to me!
Thats it I want one 😊
現時点で、この動画はflx10の最も詳細な解説であることは間違いありません。素晴らしい
This is something else!
Hi @Mojaxx , are the Serato FXs available (as post-fader) on this new Pioneer controller?
How does this flex 10 compare to Rane four in terms of hardware build quality, overall sound quality and phono preamps?
Im Serato user but always had some issues and atm looks like you need a powerful laptop which to me I prefer spend the money to buy a controller instead
Does Rekordbox comes with that contoller? I mean no keed subscription ?
Im starting and want to be able to play in the clubs Equipment but buying cdj3000 is out of my budget so what is better? And xdj xz or this one with an ipad ?