How about Burke starts his own team and develop cycling of North America? Because - sarcasm alert - another _guy_ fighting midlife crisis not knowing what to do with his time is exactly what Pro Cycling needs.
There are lots of people who can push high w/kg for 30-60 minutes. However, that's not all you need for success on a World Tour team. You have to be able to push serious watts after 6 hours on the bike, and then do it the next day, and so on, without falling apart. That's called durability, and it's one of the main things separating good World Tour riders from good amateurs.
Racing is far more different, than just pooring hard on the pedals. In Belgium we have something like the 6th gear, a thing that can not be simulated on training and only occures in racing itself. It is lituraly dying and still going full throttle, even though shifting up harder to just ride at speeds flirting between 64 and 70 km/h. Greets from Belgium, Simon (ex UCI cyclist 20 y ago)
@@jovan.vuckovic Kind of, when you're not proportionaly build or have the morphology of being slim and 'sinewy', even though you produce the same watts, than it's just a matter of mathematics. On the other side, when you're build in a more sturdy way, it's far more easy to go deeper in a final where it is cold, rainy, on and of launching yourself on the cobbles. Then you see when the mileages tick away, the more riders get affected by the bad conditions. Cheers
@@FTA38yearfreeride I never mentionned time trail, it's about 150m of riders in front of you and 150m in your wheel and GO, full gaz! BANG untill it becomes grey in front of your eyes. The burning sensation of the lungs, the saliva that tastes like blood. That my friend is the 6th gear.
I don't know, if this was mentioned in another video, but I think it would be nice to mention that former track world champion Michael Hübner died unexpectedly last month. Hübner was world champion in the sprint disciplines (match sprint, keirin, team sprint). He also held the world record for 200 meters for a period of time.
@@LegendJeff not unlikely to say the least,…. „suddenly and unexpectedly“ or as we like to say in Germany „plötzlich und unerwartet“ 🤦♂️ It’s crazy whats going on in the moment. People are dropping dead, Turbo-Cancer, sudden autoimmune „Problems“,…. But still nothing to see here. 🫣
Jack Burke has done amazing time that's for sure! but to me it's pretty hard to compare because most of the previous records were done in the context of stage races like the Giro or the Tour where pro riders have already days of race and most of the time they climb the segment like Alpe d'Huez late in the day after completing a bunch of kilometers. That does not detract from its amazing performances.
Quoting: "...AND he did all his KOM in cold weather, up a mountain a huge advantage!!! core temperature stays low..." Riding in extreme heat is a biological disadvantage, but likewise riding in very cold is a physics disadvantage due to density altitude (in addition, the humidity usually is much lower in cold temps which makes the pressure even higher on top of the temp induced pressure cgange). At slower speeds of going uphill climbing, the much higher pressure is not as significant as it would be at time trial speeds (which is why time trials should ideally be done at the maximum temperature and high altitude which a specific individual can tolerate for maximal performance), but even at hill climbing speeds its still a pretty big performance negatuve at cold temperatures. As much of a negative as climbing in 89 Fahrenheit heat? Probably not, but he is still losing quite a bit of time off his KOM by doing it at higher pressure.
@alexjohnson6462 it is never cold up a mountain. You sweat your but off even if it is freezing cold !!!!!Your theory is total bs.I have ritten up a mountain in freezing weather many times, it is a huge advantage !!more pressure means more oxygen.!
Burke has a "doping history" and even if he might be formally innocent and cleared, because UCI in the end accepted his contaminated supplement (a pretty crazy story about hydrochlorothiazide contamination btw) argument, the WT teams don't want to get their hands potentially dirty I assume
@@FTA38yearfreeride don’t talk about things you clearly haven’t got a clue about. One google search and you’d know he’s the only athlete in history to be formally cleared of any wrongdoing by wada. He drank contaminated well water at a race as a junior for a substance that has no performance enhancing benefits. It is only on the banned list because it can be used as a masking agent to dehydrate you and clear your system of other potential drugs. Though to anyone with any common sense, being dehydrated during a stage race is not going to help your performance. Use your brain instead of typing snide comments acting superior.
why? he was a pro for 8 years, retired and is now suddenly having his best watts ever? It doesn't add up, something fishy is going on. No team is likely to want to risk such an obvious liability
Do Strava perform doping tests? Someone who have never performed on the highest level even he had the chance for a couple of years. Take some nerve for a world tour team to risk the sponsors on that background
It would be interesting to compare these cold weather times with climbs in the summer heat, particularly after a long approach. He would have to do this to get a realistic comparison. His existing competition record does not show him as a top level competitor. One is reminded of track runners like Ron Clark and David Bedford, who both held world records on the track, but could never perform at the pressure events like the Olympics.
As others have pointed out, not entirely comparative to results deep into grand tours and heavy racing schedules. However respect to him for doing proper climbs and targeting pro results -vs- going after local climbs and taking KOMs off local amateurs.
There was an amateur rider, Mikaël Gallego, who took over Strava 300KoMs including some quite prestigious ones. He was pretty fast up the Alpe too. I wonder what happened to him?
Resistance to fatigue and ability to recover quickly after effort. Both underrated parts of cycling. That said, I’d sign him as a domestique: he’s likely to be able to ride all but the final part of the race hard.
Impressive for sure but some what similar to the kid draining three pointers all day in an empty gym but can’t get a shot off when someone is guarding him.
I applaud jack burke for trying! Also good of his coach to encourage him to give it a go. If one gives it all to fight for one’s dream, one can live without regrets.
Burke’s KOMs are TT efforts, very short sessions (km wise) so they are not comparable to a pro-level effort of completing those climbs as part of say 150km session
Although it was not the news I wanted to hear it was good you covered the loss of Trinity and now Saint Piran from the UCI Continental racing scene. Besides being a highly successful men’s racing team, with successes on the road and track, Saint Piran also had a women’s road race team, a women’s mountain bike team, two feeder teams (05/03) for both men and women. There was also Delivra which was their amateur cycling club. The loss of Saint Piran is really sad. However I disagree with one thing that was said. It was reported that this meant there are no UCI Continental racing teams in Britain for 2025. I agree there are no men’s Continental license teams. But as far as I am aware there are six women’s Continental teams based in Britain. It’s really important we remember and celebrate our women’s teams who continue to develop excellent riding talent like Elidh Shaw, named the British Continental Domestic Rider of the Year. Or Lauren Dickson, the British Continental Breakthrough Rider of the Year. Both ride for Alba Development Road Team. With such strong local racing talent let’s celebrate our women’s UCI Continental racing teams. The loss of the men’s teams is awful. But the women’s teams continue to go from strength to strength.
I‘d clearly consider signing him, if I‘d have a spot left on the roster. Test him rigidly for doping and then he’d be a huge bargain for pretty much every team. It’s sad to see on what a superficial level 90% of the commentators throw out their judgement here. I recommend to listen to his podcast “How to become a pro cyclist”. This answers a bunch of questions. And you’ll get a lot of helpful input - even as a recreational rider.
If i had to name one single reason why he's not getting a WT contract i'd bring up: Fatigue resistance. All fun and games to take the Alpe d'Huez KOM fresh out the box, but i'd argue he wouldn't be able to do so at the end of week two of the tour de france.
Kristian Blummenfelt an ironman triathlete world champion has the fatigue resistance and wants to be a pro biker. However at age 30 and weighing 75kg he has no hope.
Depends what level of pro rider. He might not go Grand Tour GC, but he can get a UCI license and win plenty of pro races if he learns the racing skills.
He will probably go to a ProConti portuguese team. No WT team boss wants a 29 yo man with doping stories, with previous pro experience. But if he does well on portugal(assuming he goes here) yeah maybe WT will be available, just as Julius Johanssen, almost retiring and a good season in portugal deserved him a spot in UAE
I mean he wrote a whole book about his career. Tldr he had a bad run of injuries, bad teams that wouldn’t start big races. One of his best GC results came a month after he broke his pelvis. I think he finished 6th on the tour of upper Austria. A few guys ahead of him by a few seconds were signed to WT
I think that Canadian should get signed, because of his nationality and story. Professional cycling earn money from advertising, if you have a Canadian in your team wining then you'll get viewers and fans in Canada. Canada might not be the largest economy in the world but it is big enough to be worth a few bob. I think there are about 40 million Canadians and they have a GDP above the global average, and spending cash well above the global average. So a Canadian rider should have a great deal of value in terms of advertising bucks. If he can win something he is be very valuable, but even if he is a domestic in a team at the top you'll still get the viewers in a country with good advertising bucks. When I was a teenager the it was just before Boardman made his big break and Yates the only British rider on the scene, almost every British cycling fan followed Yates and he wasn't a team lead, that is good advertising bucks.
For sure sign him... he is one crash away from being needed. How often do teams lose a rider for one reason or another. A little insurance might come in handy. Plus if he is kicking everyones ass in training... well there you go.
If he is so good he can just go to any CT team win races and then get picked up. Of course he doesnt get a wt contract because of strava kom. He hasnt shown anything in races and has some doping Controversy behind him
Is there any point to a great climber beyond being a leader, or a contender for mountain stages? You don't really need domestiques as much in the climbs right?
Jack Burke could get picked up by any team that wants someone for Mountain Stage wins and Breakaways. Arkea, Israel, Movistar, Decathlon, Cofidis, Caja Rural, etc...
Burke is world class having done everything ( no staff no mechanics. O nutrition) on his I’m own. He’s more Gino than anyone in the pleating, Israel Premier tech, Lotto, he deserves it. Throw the boy a bone
It’s not that he isn’t good. It’s that there are a finite number of pro road team spots. 17 World teams, 15 Pro-conti teams, and 19 continental teams. Each team contains approximately 25 athletes.
I think you have mentioned all the reasons why a strava segment alone is not enough to get a pro contract. You did mention Jonas getting a contract going that route but it would be interesting to compare his other race results vs that of Jack. I have this sneaky feeling that Jonas achieved more in the run up to his strava segment attempt. Side note - I'd love strava to have a clear flag to separate 'one-off' records from 'race' records.
@belsnickel5538 Jonas proved to be gold from the moment he stepped on a bike. At the age of 13, he did Alpe dhuez in 43 minutes, This man is 29 and up til now, proved to be an amateur and not even a good amateur !
Please excuse the naive question but is signing with a world team the ONLY way to graduate to the world stage? Isn't there another way for him to prove to the big-time teams that he actually is really good (or not) in a multi-stage event with bigger teams, pelotons, big hills, sprints, etc.
Tend to agree here. They were talking up the cold temperature as if it was a negative, not the positive I know it as when going full gas up a climb. Much harder up Alpe du'Huez in the summer heat of July.
If there's a team that could take a risk and use him, it's JV. Lotto because they have a slot but I don't see him fitting any role there except in a breakaway.
Keep in mind that yes, he was fresh, but he also had no help. Looking at the video, it appeared that he had no lead rider. Had he had another writer in front of him and perhaps the occasional sticky bottle, I’m sure he would’ve crushed it even faster.
In his defense, he did suffer from a pretty bad car accident that cost him 2 prime years of his career. You could argue that he possibly could have been finding his groove riding into those years prior to the accident and may have been primed for a breakout season but put him back. He clearly has the capabilities to ride with some of the best. Also, a second point I'd like to make is that although those KOMs are with fresher legs, you'd still have to be putting out world class numbers to grab presitgious KOMs like those mentioned. He may not have those same legs deep into a grand tour BUT i think those limitations are more of a concern for GC contenders. He might not have enough for a 40-minute effort up Alpe d'huez but if hes not in the role of a GC rider then you could certainly argue that even a 20-minute effort from him would be "good enough". And in what role would that matter? A world class domestique. I think his role as a domestique is what he brings to a World Team quite honestly. He doesn't need to place well in grand tours - that wouldnt be his job. Instead lead out other GC riders on this moutain stages just enough to stir up trouble and put your rider in a position to unleash for the remainder of the climb. Just my two cents.
Going for KOM is not the same as doing 15 days riding 200kms all days and then do that. Basically what I mean is, yeah he got the KOM, but those pros get there after loads of stages and after 100kms or in the same day. Quite different than going there, warmup and then tackle the climb. KOMs is not direct translation to being a PRO
Listen, I appreciate the story, but the headline is a little click-baity. He did have SEVERAL pro contracts. The question why he can't get a WORLD TOUR contract is waaaaay less interesting.
@jackmccartney4513 he was less juiced than riders these days!!!! ..lol not only the bikes improved be sure!!!!!!🤣Marco was an artist, art in motion , and they need to ride up the Alpe in 33 minutes just to match his time. The bikes have improved !!
@@FTA38yearfreeride haha i want to believe the sport is a lot cleaner these days. Training and nutrition improvements play a role but i get the sneaking suspicion that teams have just gotten better at hiding it
@@feedbackzaloopapparently when he was racing in Austria riders said he wasn’t good in the bunch and struggled with descending and that’s at conti level. Imagine WT!
@@Remcolover so, like Roglic. Or 90% of the peloton. Understood. Jokes aside, that's a sign dude values himself or in pro terms, lacks commitment. But why wouldn't he, already having cozy life, speaking from last week GCN show topic of cycling being a sport for wealthy.
If it's not clear, it's likely because they know he cannot do it clean. I've seen other guys... usually Russian guys... doing superhuman performances comparable with high level world tour guys. But... they're bouncing around racing for teams in China and nearby countries... (I don't know about Burke specifically)
Taking the KOM as a one-off from people who set the record during the course of competing in a 3-week grand tour 🤔. Great climbing, but not like with like. And he’s old
He tackled them fresh - quote. Or, resistance to fatigue. This isn’t a serious story. All of us can do so much better with a segment if we don’t ride for 2 weeks to get there and do 180 k on the day. Nibali and Kuss did. He’s not good enough at the other disciplines. Hence, no worthy results previously. Non-story.
I've beaten pro's in weekend crit racing. On my Power curve on Strava I can do 5S@1789W , 1000w For 45 Second, and 400W for 30min, would I stand a chance in tour? Absolutely F*&Kiing not.
Thanks, Dan, for advocating that Jack get a pro contract and yes, a one-year gig would be a fair deal and the sport needs more personalities and he has earned a shot at the big time with his KOM exploits, sort of another look-at-my-retirement as pioneered by Phil Gaimon. And here in the States, auto racing had popular drivers getting a ride in a single race or season in various disciplines and in 1970, my Dad was on the Bud Moore Engineering team which fielded the Factory Ford Mustangs on the Trans-Am circuit. Driver Parnelli Jones won the championship but did he return in '71? No, he went off-road racing in his Ford Bronco. And I always thought that was cool, his switching from road to dirt, and now we are seeing popular roadies in gravel races and the crowd goes wild. Hopefully, we can go wild for Jack as a Strava KOM guy in the pro peloton, with GCN and Phil Gaimon covering the story. 😀.
If you were a team boss, would you sign Burke? ✍And which team would you imagine is right for him?
Absolutely. Immediately
yes for sure
How is his fatigue resistance?
How about Burke starts his own team and develop cycling of North America? Because - sarcasm alert - another _guy_ fighting midlife crisis not knowing what to do with his time is exactly what Pro Cycling needs.
No
There are lots of people who can push high w/kg for 30-60 minutes. However, that's not all you need for success on a World Tour team. You have to be able to push serious watts after 6 hours on the bike, and then do it the next day, and so on, without falling apart. That's called durability, and it's one of the main things separating good World Tour riders from good amateurs.
Racing is far more different, than just pooring hard on the pedals. In Belgium we have something like the 6th gear, a thing that can not be simulated on training and only occures in racing itself. It is lituraly dying and still going full throttle, even though shifting up harder to just ride at speeds flirting between 64 and 70 km/h. Greets from Belgium, Simon (ex UCI cyclist 20 y ago)
Yea you can't explain it but on some races some riders will just shift in that harder gear on a climb and drop you. Pure strength
@@jovan.vuckovic Kind of, when you're not proportionaly build or have the morphology of being slim and 'sinewy', even though you produce the same watts, than it's just a matter of mathematics. On the other side, when you're build in a more sturdy way, it's far more easy to go deeper in a final where it is cold, rainy, on and of launching yourself on the cobbles. Then you see when the mileages tick away, the more riders get affected by the bad conditions. Cheers
@SimonFlex a 45-minute effort is nothing compared to a 5 hour race. His KOM is timetrial uphill steady tempo without acceleration.
@@FTA38yearfreeride that's what I said ... and I know what it is like amigo ;)
@@FTA38yearfreeride I never mentionned time trail, it's about 150m of riders in front of you and 150m in your wheel and GO, full gaz! BANG untill it becomes grey in front of your eyes. The burning sensation of the lungs, the saliva that tastes like blood. That my friend is the 6th gear.
I don't know, if this was mentioned in another video, but I think it would be nice to mention that former track world champion Michael Hübner died unexpectedly last month. Hübner was world champion in the sprint disciplines (match sprint, keirin, team sprint). He also held the world record for 200 meters for a period of time.
Safe and Effective?
@@LegendJeff not unlikely to say the least,….
„suddenly and unexpectedly“ or as we like to say in Germany
„plötzlich und unerwartet“ 🤦♂️
It’s crazy whats going on in the moment. People are dropping dead, Turbo-Cancer, sudden autoimmune „Problems“,…. But still nothing to see here. 🫣
Jack Burke has done amazing time that's for sure! but to me it's pretty hard to compare because most of the previous records were done in the context of stage races like the Giro or the Tour where pro riders have already days of race and most of the time they climb the segment like Alpe d'Huez late in the day after completing a bunch of kilometers.
That does not detract from its amazing performances.
@@Nat-DAVID AND he did all his KOM in cold weather, up a mountain a huge advantage!!!core temperature stays low
Agree, not comparable having a good 45 mins to having a good 3 weeks of racing.
Quoting: "...AND he did all his KOM in cold weather, up a mountain a huge advantage!!! core temperature stays low..."
Riding in extreme heat is a biological disadvantage, but likewise riding in very cold is a physics disadvantage due to density altitude (in addition, the humidity usually is much lower in cold temps which makes the pressure even higher on top of the temp induced pressure cgange).
At slower speeds of going uphill climbing, the much higher pressure is not as significant as it would be at time trial speeds (which is why time trials should ideally be done at the maximum temperature and high altitude which a specific individual can tolerate for maximal performance), but even at hill climbing speeds its still a pretty big performance negatuve at cold temperatures. As much of a negative as climbing in 89 Fahrenheit heat? Probably not, but he is still losing quite a bit of time off his KOM by doing it at higher pressure.
@alexjohnson6462 it is never cold up a mountain. You sweat your but off even if it is freezing cold !!!!!Your theory is total bs.I have ritten up a mountain in freezing weather many times, it is a huge advantage !!more pressure means more oxygen.!
he doped once. probably doped up to his ears on these koms
Burke has a "doping history" and even if he might be formally innocent and cleared, because UCI in the end accepted his contaminated supplement (a pretty crazy story about hydrochlorothiazide contamination btw) argument, the WT teams don't want to get their hands potentially dirty I assume
Yeah, UCI teams wants dopers that haven't been caught.
@@FTA38yearfreeride don’t talk about things you clearly haven’t got a clue about. One google search and you’d know he’s the only athlete in history to be formally cleared of any wrongdoing by wada. He drank contaminated well water at a race as a junior for a substance that has no performance enhancing benefits. It is only on the banned list because it can be used as a masking agent to dehydrate you and clear your system of other potential drugs. Though to anyone with any common sense, being dehydrated during a stage race is not going to help your performance.
Use your brain instead of typing snide comments acting superior.
@@FTA38yearfreeridecontaminated ground water cleared him
@@DittersGustavVisma have literally just signed Simon Yates
Literally first thought in my mind was: "There ain't no doping controls on a Strava KOM"
Love the new Studio!
Thanks Tobias - we're pretty pleased with it too! Dan
I’m happy you’re giving exposure to Jack Burke. I’d love to see him signed by a pro team! 🇨🇦
why? he was a pro for 8 years, retired and is now suddenly having his best watts ever? It doesn't add up, something fishy is going on. No team is likely to want to risk such an obvious liability
he is doping my man
@@mettflow2648he’s definitely not
Do Strava perform doping tests? Someone who have never performed on the highest level even he had the chance for a couple of years. Take some nerve for a world tour team to risk the sponsors on that background
Look how fast cookie man got after he 'retired' hehe. I never seen anyone ride that hard IRL up Norton Summit.
It would be interesting to compare these cold weather times with climbs in the summer heat, particularly after a long approach. He would have to do this to get a realistic comparison. His existing competition record does not show him as a top level competitor. One is reminded of track runners like Ron Clark and David Bedford, who both held world records on the track, but could never perform at the pressure events like the Olympics.
As others have pointed out, not entirely comparative to results deep into grand tours and heavy racing schedules. However respect to him for doing proper climbs and targeting pro results -vs- going after local climbs and taking KOMs off local amateurs.
cause it seems quite strange that he was nowhere that level and couldnt even do anything close on conti level.
Absolutely, suddenly flying at 30years of age never a good sign
maybe hes one of the few who never tried the sauce before
or he found pogacars secret stash
so many possibilities:D
@@bergbilch as a Canadian, his history/past is fairly well known....
@@EBcyclinghuh
@@EBcyclingand his history is… not good?
Great to see Toon on the podium.
That Canyon frame on the wall looks beautiful, I need one 😉
Hear hear. My immediate thought was - daaaaang that Canyon frame colourway looks mint. And it looks aero as.
Great video Dan. Thank you
4:47 Check out that awesome bunny hop over a downed rider on the right side of the screen. Wow!
There was an amateur rider, Mikaël Gallego, who took over Strava 300KoMs including some quite prestigious ones. He was pretty fast up the Alpe too. I wonder what happened to him?
Resistance to fatigue and ability to recover quickly after effort. Both underrated parts of cycling. That said, I’d sign him as a domestique: he’s likely to be able to ride all but the final part of the race hard.
didn't he test positive for doping at some stage in his career? If so, would this be putting pro teams off?
@@stevekovacs8635 he blamed the 💧 water.
Impressive for sure but some what similar to the kid draining three pointers all day in an empty gym but can’t get a shot off when someone is guarding him.
@MattGrovesFTW kid can not use EPO, growth hormones,corticosteroids, and anabolic steroids when someone is guarding him😉
I applaud jack burke for trying! Also good of his coach to encourage him to give it a go. If one gives it all to fight for one’s dream, one can live without regrets.
Strava should sign him… as they need as much good publicity as possible!!
Burke’s KOMs are TT efforts, very short sessions (km wise) so they are not comparable to a pro-level effort of completing those climbs as part of say 150km session
Of course Burke is a good opportunity for a team because we talk about him right now and we will hope for him a progression 👍💪
9:45 I secretly hoped he’d say “…on GCN+, New Zealand not included”
A Stevo in an Aussi team is indeed a great fit.
That's what you guys down under call Canadians?
Yay! GCN Racing! 🎉
Although it was not the news I wanted to hear it was good you covered the loss of Trinity and now Saint Piran from the UCI Continental racing scene.
Besides being a highly successful men’s racing team, with successes on the road and track, Saint Piran also had a women’s road race team, a women’s mountain bike team, two feeder teams (05/03) for both men and women. There was also Delivra which was their amateur cycling club. The loss of Saint Piran is really sad.
However I disagree with one thing that was said. It was reported that this meant there are no UCI Continental racing teams in Britain for 2025. I agree there are no men’s Continental license teams. But as far as I am aware there are six women’s Continental teams based in Britain. It’s really important we remember and celebrate our women’s teams who continue to develop excellent riding talent like Elidh Shaw, named the British Continental Domestic Rider of the Year. Or Lauren Dickson, the British Continental Breakthrough Rider of the Year. Both ride for Alba Development Road Team.
With such strong local racing talent let’s celebrate our women’s UCI Continental racing teams.
The loss of the men’s teams is awful. But the women’s teams continue to go from strength to strength.
There is no dope testing after someone takes a KOM
Jack Burke, just do Zwift Academy
He did but not very successfull; he posted it on his instagram and is mentioning it in one of his latest podcast episodes
he did and was eliminated right away. with 6,5 watts per kilo LOLOL
I‘d clearly consider signing him, if I‘d have a spot left on the roster. Test him rigidly for doping and then he’d be a huge bargain for pretty much every team.
It’s sad to see on what a superficial level 90% of the commentators throw out their judgement here. I recommend to listen to his podcast “How to become a pro cyclist”. This answers a bunch of questions. And you’ll get a lot of helpful input - even as a recreational rider.
Daaamn Dan! You, the lighting and the studio look really good!
Pogy's new bike a "radical new design?" You sure about that? :D
If i had to name one single reason why he's not getting a WT contract i'd bring up: Fatigue resistance. All fun and games to take the Alpe d'Huez KOM fresh out the box, but i'd argue he wouldn't be able to do so at the end of week two of the tour de france.
Kristian Blummenfelt an ironman triathlete world champion has the fatigue resistance and wants to be a pro biker. However at age 30 and weighing 75kg he has no hope.
Depends what level of pro rider. He might not go Grand Tour GC, but he can get a UCI license and win plenty of pro races if he learns the racing skills.
@@DittersGustav Unlikely to be taken on with those stats and at that weight only suited to flat courses but then he is an enduro not a sprinter.
He will probably go to a ProConti portuguese team.
No WT team boss wants a 29 yo man with doping stories, with previous pro experience.
But if he does well on portugal(assuming he goes here) yeah maybe WT will be available, just as Julius Johanssen, almost retiring and a good season in portugal deserved him a spot in UAE
I'd be interested to hear Jack's answer to the question, "Why haven't you had results racing on continental teams?"
Possibly poor teammates? Dunno. Throwing it out there
@jamesporter5630 Maybe he is just rubbish in a real 5 hour race?
I mean he wrote a whole book about his career. Tldr he had a bad run of injuries, bad teams that wouldn’t start big races. One of his best GC results came a month after he broke his pelvis. I think he finished 6th on the tour of upper Austria. A few guys ahead of him by a few seconds were signed to WT
@@bengoodwin83 Did I miss a reference to the book by GCN? What is the book title?
@@jamesporter5630don’t think they referenced it, it’s called “how to become a pro cyclist”. Really good read
New set yeah boi
Wondering where he filled his bottles that day.... ;P
@@EBcycling must be something in the water again
I have a feeling because every team is looking for the best
I think that Canadian should get signed, because of his nationality and story.
Professional cycling earn money from advertising, if you have a Canadian in your team wining then you'll get viewers and fans in Canada. Canada might not be the largest economy in the world but it is big enough to be worth a few bob. I think there are about 40 million Canadians and they have a GDP above the global average, and spending cash well above the global average.
So a Canadian rider should have a great deal of value in terms of advertising bucks.
If he can win something he is be very valuable, but even if he is a domestic in a team at the top you'll still get the viewers in a country with good advertising bucks.
When I was a teenager the it was just before Boardman made his big break and Yates the only British rider on the scene, almost every British cycling fan followed Yates and he wasn't a team lead, that is good advertising bucks.
Geez Burke is absolutely everywhere nowadays! Wish him all the best and take advantage of all the publicity.
For sure sign him... he is one crash away from being needed. How often do teams lose a rider for one reason or another. A little insurance might come in handy. Plus if he is kicking everyones ass in training... well there you go.
If he is so good he can just go to any CT team win races and then get picked up. Of course he doesnt get a wt contract because of strava kom. He hasnt shown anything in races and has some doping Controversy behind him
that Burke story is dishonest Dan, good job not mentioning the elephant on that mountain / in the bottle 😂
Is there any point to a great climber beyond being a leader, or a contender for mountain stages? You don't really need domestiques as much in the climbs right?
he will bit a good fit for ineos
Generally as manager, they look at the history track record, consistency, and no history of enhancement drugs.
Jack Burke could get picked up by any team that wants someone for Mountain Stage wins and Breakaways. Arkea, Israel, Movistar, Decathlon, Cofidis, Caja Rural, etc...
Burke is world class having done everything ( no staff no mechanics. O nutrition) on his I’m own. He’s more Gino than anyone in the pleating,
Israel Premier tech, Lotto, he deserves it. Throw the boy a bone
It’s not that he isn’t good. It’s that there are a finite number of pro road team spots. 17 World teams, 15 Pro-conti teams, and 19 continental teams. Each team contains approximately 25 athletes.
Thanks Dan , and crew . Still moving house ?
I think you have mentioned all the reasons why a strava segment alone is not enough to get a pro contract. You did mention Jonas getting a contract going that route but it would be interesting to compare his other race results vs that of Jack. I have this sneaky feeling that Jonas achieved more in the run up to his strava segment attempt.
Side note - I'd love strava to have a clear flag to separate 'one-off' records from 'race' records.
@belsnickel5538 Jonas proved to be gold from the moment he stepped on a bike. At the age of 13, he did Alpe dhuez in 43 minutes, This man is 29 and up til now, proved to be an amateur and not even a good amateur !
Please excuse the naive question but is signing with a world team the ONLY way to graduate to the world stage? Isn't there another way for him to prove to the big-time teams that he actually is really good (or not) in a multi-stage event with bigger teams, pelotons, big hills, sprints, etc.
Do you think Jack Burke can achieve those same KOM times in the hotter temperatures typically seen in grand tour conditions?
Tend to agree here. They were talking up the cold temperature as if it was a negative, not the positive I know it as when going full gas up a climb. Much harder up Alpe du'Huez in the summer heat of July.
@@FTA38yearfreeride that's what I just said. Why are you repeating it as if it's something new and profound?
New Colnago? 😂 Looks like a Trek, Pinarello, and Bianchi combined into one! 😂😂
If there's a team that could take a risk and use him, it's JV. Lotto because they have a slot but I don't see him fitting any role there except in a breakaway.
Keep in mind that yes, he was fresh, but he also had no help. Looking at the video, it appeared that he had no lead rider. Had he had another writer in front of him and perhaps the occasional sticky bottle, I’m sure he would’ve crushed it even faster.
What is his race record and wins.
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Taking a KOM from someone who got it during a major race is not comparable.
He is 70 kgs and did an average of 410w for 36 mn in Alpe d Huez: it certainly is not 6,5w/kgs
@maxkrieger-w6w is not a record Also, Pantani was 3 minutes faster, at the end of a race, in hot weather, on an old-fashioned bike.
In his defense, he did suffer from a pretty bad car accident that cost him 2 prime years of his career. You could argue that he possibly could have been finding his groove riding into those years prior to the accident and may have been primed for a breakout season but put him back. He clearly has the capabilities to ride with some of the best. Also, a second point I'd like to make is that although those KOMs are with fresher legs, you'd still have to be putting out world class numbers to grab presitgious KOMs like those mentioned. He may not have those same legs deep into a grand tour BUT i think those limitations are more of a concern for GC contenders. He might not have enough for a 40-minute effort up Alpe d'huez but if hes not in the role of a GC rider then you could certainly argue that even a 20-minute effort from him would be "good enough". And in what role would that matter? A world class domestique. I think his role as a domestique is what he brings to a World Team quite honestly. He doesn't need to place well in grand tours - that wouldnt be his job. Instead lead out other GC riders on this moutain stages just enough to stir up trouble and put your rider in a position to unleash for the remainder of the climb. Just my two cents.
@@ralzalychhoeng7893 2 prime years of his career? he never had a career!
Nobody is going to commit to the Giro next year ..... until they announce the damn route ! 😁
Israel have a good Canadian connection
Apparently he’s had trials with them in previous years
Racing is an entirely different skill set than purely pumping out high w/kg
You might as well go into running if you want a sport where the fittest athlete always wins.
It’s one thing to hold the best time on a kom,but it’s another thing to do the whole route and then perform the best time then😂
Zoe Backstedt is definitely heading upwards.
Going for KOM is not the same as doing 15 days riding 200kms all days and then do that. Basically what I mean is, yeah he got the KOM, but those pros get there after loads of stages and after 100kms or in the same day. Quite different than going there, warmup and then tackle the climb. KOMs is not direct translation to being a PRO
@jucavazcarvalho994 is not even the same as a 5 hour race.
Listen, I appreciate the story, but the headline is a little click-baity. He did have SEVERAL pro contracts. The question why he can't get a WORLD TOUR contract is waaaaay less interesting.
Because getting a KOM isn’t hugely meaningful - if he can get the KOM after 6 hours at 47km/hr then he’s a shoe in…
Fun fact colo Quick are interested in him
Pantani is still more than 3 minutes faster up alpe dhuez , after a race and on an old fashion bike in very hot weather !!🎉
3 minutes up and juiced to the gills!🤣 absolutely love the video of him setting that record, an incredible achievement
Juiced like burke @@jackmccartney4513
@jackmccartney4513 he was less juiced than riders these days!!!! ..lol not only the bikes improved be sure!!!!!!🤣Marco was an artist, art in motion , and they need to ride up the Alpe in 33 minutes just to match his time. The bikes have improved !!
@@FTA38yearfreeride haha i want to believe the sport is a lot cleaner these days. Training and nutrition improvements play a role but i get the sneaking suspicion that teams have just gotten better at hiding it
@jackmccartney4513 yea, it just got more sophisticated , which makes it even worse, in my opinion. More Elitists and rich boy sport.
A stint on a pro-conti team seems a logical next step. Fast times on Strava don't necessarily equal the right to a pro contract.
Was this broadcast from your shed, Dan? 🤣
Unless he has not invested into doping tests during the past years and his biological passport is therefore incomplete no team will take the risk.
He must have a great motor in him
Must be something in the 💧 water😂
@@FTA38yearfreerideProbably 😊
Can Burk do it after riding 120km?
He can do it without leadout and domestiques.
@@feedbackzaloopapparently when he was racing in Austria riders said he wasn’t good in the bunch and struggled with descending and that’s at conti level. Imagine WT!
@@Remcolover so, like Roglic. Or 90% of the peloton. Understood.
Jokes aside, that's a sign dude values himself or in pro terms, lacks commitment. But why wouldn't he, already having cozy life, speaking from last week GCN show topic of cycling being a sport for wealthy.
For the past 10 year he proved the answer is 'NO'
He would be a good fit for Israel. He is Canadian and Israel seem to prefer riders who are a tad long in the tooth
Just make your own Conti team: GCN Pro Cycling!
which presenter would be the team leader?!
INEOS Grenadiers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
INEOS Grenadiers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If it's not clear, it's likely because they know he cannot do it clean.
I've seen other guys... usually Russian guys... doing superhuman performances comparable with high level world tour guys. But... they're bouncing around racing for teams in China and nearby countries...
(I don't know about Burke specifically)
Taking the KOM as a one-off from people who set the record during the course of competing in a 3-week grand tour 🤔. Great climbing, but not like with like. And he’s old
Maybe Israel premier tech can replace Froome with Burke.
He would compliment Derek Gee well at IPT
Gee is a much better rider.
ineos just opened up a spot
dan!
KPI‘s appart from VO2max, FTP and Movement economy:
- High Intensity Repeatability
- Low Intensity Durability
He tackled them fresh - quote. Or, resistance to fatigue.
This isn’t a serious story.
All of us can do so much better with a segment if we don’t ride for 2 weeks to get there and do 180 k on the day.
Nibali and Kuss did.
He’s not good enough at the other disciplines. Hence, no worthy results previously.
Non-story.
“Complete Package”
give him a chance.
Sniping KOMs != pro tour rider
I've beaten pro's in weekend crit racing. On my Power curve on Strava I can do 5S@1789W , 1000w For 45 Second, and 400W for 30min, would I stand a chance in tour? Absolutely F*&Kiing not.
Because hes a doper
Ineos should take him because they dont have better rider now 😁
Thanks, Dan, for advocating that Jack get a pro contract and yes, a one-year gig would be a fair deal and the sport needs more personalities and he has earned a shot at the big time with his KOM exploits, sort of another look-at-my-retirement as pioneered by Phil Gaimon. And here in the States, auto racing had popular drivers getting a ride in a single race or season in various disciplines and in 1970, my Dad was on the Bud Moore Engineering team which fielded the Factory Ford Mustangs on the Trans-Am circuit. Driver Parnelli Jones won the championship but did he return in '71? No, he went off-road racing in his Ford Bronco. And I always thought that was cool, his switching from road to dirt, and now we are seeing popular roadies in gravel races and the crowd goes wild. Hopefully, we can go wild for Jack as a Strava KOM guy in the pro peloton, with GCN and Phil Gaimon covering the story. 😀.
Stats dont seem to matter that much
If Saint Piran go where is the next generation of British riders coming from ??
I'd interview Jack if I was responsible for hiring cyclists... don't know if I'd hire him
and cav is also able to do this after he had puked the day before :)