Not too many shows leave me thinking about a certain scene, but this is one that truly did. Such hopelessness and despair. The look on Dora Mae's face is so damn creepy.
No kidding! I saw this episode almost 6 years ago and this scene just came back to me out of nowhere so badly that even though id forgotten everything about this show that I found this clip with just two words: Carneval, Ghost. The shot closeup of her staring as the arm goes around her...exactly as I recall and as haunting as it was the first time.
Seriously. They had the funeral and it was sad. But she stayed with the ghost miners as a “whore” for all eternity. It’s very unsettling. But that shows great writing potential.
If it helps: season 3 would’ve seen the carnival return to Babylon where Dora Mae was basically “the queen of Babylon” and ruled over the miners and other ghosts.
This scene hit me the most out of Carnivale. Not only did Dora Mae have a hard life but now in death? She's stuck in some sort of hellish limbo with a bunch of dead miners as they run a perpetual train her.
Samson's face as he realizes what he's seeing, what it means. He's seen so much in his life, so many terrible things. He's had reason to believe that he understood human evil. He'd come to understand that his boss, Management, was something more than a man. But this, with this he knows for sure that there is a hell, and that Dora will never ever find any peace. Superb acting from Michael J. Anderson.
It's so sad because he's almost smiling when he first sees her, I guess he's just happy she's still around at least in spirit form, but then he understands what's really happening to her and his face just drops.
I watched this show years ago..never forgot this one scene. so utterly tragic and haunting. that poor girl didn't deserve that. stuck as their whore forever.
When I got done watching this episode, this made me very sad. However I have a feeling that this wouldn't be the last time we would see Dora Mae, had the show continued (as it was planned). Shame this show was cut so short.
@@SlopmasterI think the series still works very well with just the 2 seasons we did get but it could've EASILY gone 4 seasons without even becoming remotely stale. I adore this series.
This scene is DEVASTATING but it helps a little, if the show had kept going Dora Mae would’ve become basically “the queen of Babylon” and rule over the other ghosts. It’s a shame we never got to see that because as it stands Dora Mae’s story is so tragic.
She's supposed to be the ruler of the town, that's what the director told the actress. If the series continued, Babylon would have been revisited, and I'm sure Dora Mae would be back to expand upon her story. You should watch more episodes, it's a great show.
I remember seeing this episode and something about it felt eerily familiar. And then months later I watched The Shining and realizing that the evil of The Overlook Hotel and the town Babylon are one in the same.....you die there and you become a prisoner to that evil. Poor Dorah Mae....even her ghost has just become a shell of the girl she was in life 😢😔
This scene and the scene where he takes the baby away from the mother, and takes away her pain.. were brilliant, no tv show could match these episodes.
Carnivale was simply one of the greatest shows ever. Criminally underrated. A true sin of HBO was axing this show. I really wish Daniel Knauf would at least end the story in novel form i would be first in line to buy that.
Added to the insult of cancelling this show was the fact that they left this story unfinished. There were plans for the carnival to return there and find that she had become their queen.
This entire 2 episode arc and the part where he spots her ghost in the window, condemned to be a whore of Babylon in death, is one of the most horrifying and sad scenes I have ever seen in and film or series.
That actually completely put me off from the show - she was sexually assaulted, then brutally murdered and apparently was "condemned" without any guilt on her side (unless you believe that for being prostitute she deserved it) to be raped to the end of the time. It was really disgusting and misogynistic. I couldn't watch any more episode after this.
My interpretation was that it had nothing to do with "guilt" or "innocence", but rather her having been murdered in the place where she was. The entire town was cursed and anyone who died there was stranded in a kind of limbo/hell. It's why Samson was so heartbroken seeing her. He knew that she didn't deserve what was happening to her but there was no way to save her. It's a shame you stopped watching because things got a lot more interesting after this episode.
What an imbecile, lol. Bad things never happen to good people? Sorry it triggered you, hopefully you found something more in line with your moral dithers.
Your comment actually made me laugh .. ""disgusting and misogynistic".. haha Its a supernatural fictional story! haha Funny about how you didn't mind all the children being burnt to death! But worried about a bunch of ghosts!
This is the one scene from that show I never forgot! The utter look of hopelessness on Dora maes face is tragic
MICHAEL J. ANDERSON AS SAMSON IN HBO'S CARNIVALE DESERVED AN EMMY NOMINATION IN THE CATEGORY OF BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR IN A DRAMA SERIES.
Not too many shows leave me thinking about a certain scene, but this is one that truly did. Such hopelessness and despair. The look on Dora Mae's face is so damn creepy.
I AM No One True.
No kidding! I saw this episode almost 6 years ago and this scene just came back to me out of nowhere so badly that even though id forgotten everything about this show that I found this clip with just two words: Carneval, Ghost. The shot closeup of her staring as the arm goes around her...exactly as I recall and as haunting as it was the first time.
@@risac.8384 Doomed to an eternity of smelly miner rape. Existentially terrifying as well as plain old fashioned gross and scary.
Seriously. They had the funeral and it was sad. But she stayed with the ghost miners as a “whore” for all eternity. It’s very unsettling. But that shows great writing potential.
If it helps: season 3 would’ve seen the carnival return to Babylon where Dora Mae was basically “the queen of Babylon” and ruled over the miners and other ghosts.
One of the biggest bad ends in an episode ever. His speechless look of anguish says it all.
This show was absolutely amazing. This episode and this scene were so utterly sad and terrifying.
This scene hit me the most out of Carnivale. Not only did Dora Mae have a hard life but now in death? She's stuck in some sort of hellish limbo with a bunch of dead miners as they run a perpetual train her.
She was a prostitute and led a sinful life but her own father pimped her out. Disgusting.
I love how Samson still went back and killed the bastard despite the ruling of the numbers. Some injustices just can't be overlooked.
He was already dead through. That's why he couldn't leave the city but only walk to the end of town
& when her father got his pistol back & saw one round has been fired, he'd know what Samson did....👍👍
@@androlibre9661 Idk that doesn't make sense. Why was he so concerned about where he was shot if he was already dead and stuck there?
Show should have never been canceled, it was a crime!
I feel like they found out half way through the second season and just rushed the ending
One of the biggest crimes HBO ever commited
This was one of my favorite episodes
Samson's face as he realizes what he's seeing, what it means. He's seen so much in his life, so many terrible things. He's had reason to believe that he understood human evil. He'd come to understand that his boss, Management, was something more than a man.
But this, with this he knows for sure that there is a hell, and that Dora will never ever find any peace.
Superb acting from Michael J. Anderson.
It's so sad because he's almost smiling when he first sees her, I guess he's just happy she's still around at least in spirit form, but then he understands what's really happening to her and his face just drops.
This clip always gets me it is completely haunting
He also realizes he just gunned down an innocent man.
That is the creepiest scene EVER!! This was such a good show, not sure why they stopped it so abruptly.
I agree. This show is amazing and this scene of Dora Mae's ghost is one of the most frightening things I have ever seen in film or TV.
I watched this show years ago..never forgot this one scene. so utterly tragic and haunting. that poor girl didn't deserve that. stuck as their whore forever.
Yes depressing
@@electro1463that was creepy AF
Incredibly chilling scene.
TRUE DAT!!
This scene made me almost stop watching the show... It was just too devastating. Such a tragic character.
Could not agree more.
This scene really goes against the old "she's in a better place now" line
Totally
Every now and again I think about this show, such a shame it got cancelled
Also a SHAME that they rushed the second season....knowing it was a done deal
Really loves the show. Hated that it was canceled. This scene was amazing it felt so real. Crazy!
When I got done watching this episode, this made me very sad. However I have a feeling that this wouldn't be the last time we would see Dora Mae, had the show continued (as it was planned). Shame this show was cut so short.
Daniel Knauf said they would have returned to Babylon and found Dora Mae in charge.
@@SlopmasterI think the series still works very well with just the 2 seasons we did get but it could've EASILY gone 4 seasons without even becoming remotely stale.
I adore this series.
Greatest show ever. Nothing ever came close
Original season Twin peaks
@@petermulder7480no, this was better.,
This creeped me out so bad when I had first saw it
This scene was so creepy. Her expression was so creepy. I wish there was a way to save her. :(
The most memorable harrowing scene I've ever.
This scene is DEVASTATING but it helps a little, if the show had kept going Dora Mae would’ve become basically “the queen of Babylon” and rule over the other ghosts. It’s a shame we never got to see that because as it stands Dora Mae’s story is so tragic.
It's extremely screwed up and sickening but that's what makes the show so brutally compelling.
She's supposed to be the ruler of the town, that's what the director told the actress.
If the series continued, Babylon would have been revisited, and I'm sure Dora Mae would be back to expand upon her story.
You should watch more episodes, it's a great show.
I remember seeing this episode and something about it felt eerily familiar. And then months later I watched The Shining and realizing that the evil of The Overlook Hotel and the town Babylon are one in the same.....you die there and you become a prisoner to that evil. Poor Dorah Mae....even her ghost has just become a shell of the girl she was in life 😢😔
Profoundly disturbing. Raped constantly for eternity.
I was fourteen when I first watched this. This ending was so devastating to me that I almost quit watching permanently out of distress.
This scene and the scene where he takes the baby away from the mother, and takes away her pain.. were brilliant, no tv show could match these episodes.
Among top creepiest scene/plot
I nearly stopped watching it the first time around when this happened. Glad I didn't. Samson's horrified, haunted half groan is so perfect.
best show ever!!
I had hope for her. Hawkins would certainly return once he learned what happened.
He is smarter than Justin, and mightier in the gift than his father.
Great show, sad ending too bad it was canceled.
I miss that show
Man, this scene was so sad. Really a horrible (in a "good" way) episode. Truly devastating that this show was cancelled.
Carnivale was simply one of the greatest shows ever. Criminally underrated. A true sin of HBO was axing this show. I really wish Daniel Knauf would at least end the story in novel form i would be first in line to buy that.
She was such a beautiful young lady sad
I was looking for the song dodemay
Added to the insult of cancelling this show was the fact that they left this story unfinished. There were plans for the carnival to return there and find that she had become their queen.
This scene bothered me when I first saw it and it still bothers me.
Is this what they mean by Ghosting someone?
Indeed. Say your goodbyes proper or you'll be abandoning them to be passed around by ghost miners. You want that on your conscience?
That’s Meat Loaf’s daughter
Really?
Absolutely, his blood daughter, her name is Amanda Aday.
2020
This entire 2 episode arc and the part where he spots her ghost in the window, condemned to be a whore of Babylon in death, is one of the most horrifying and sad scenes I have ever seen in and film or series.
j'ai vu cet episode cet apres midi… rarement une scene m'a mise aussi mal à l'aise….
I see we have 3 babylonians?
My 1st ever thump down..
what a horrifying scene
ne no why would you thumbs it down? It’s not his fault what happens in the scene
Fucked up
The fate of promiscous women
That actually completely put me off from the show - she was sexually assaulted, then brutally murdered and apparently was "condemned" without any guilt on her side (unless you believe that for being prostitute she deserved it) to be raped to the end of the time. It was really disgusting and misogynistic. I couldn't watch any more episode after this.
My interpretation was that it had nothing to do with "guilt" or "innocence", but rather her having been murdered in the place where she was. The entire town was cursed and anyone who died there was stranded in a kind of limbo/hell. It's why Samson was so heartbroken seeing her. He knew that she didn't deserve what was happening to her but there was no way to save her.
It's a shame you stopped watching because things got a lot more interesting after this episode.
Thanks for explaining that scene to this girl. Everyone wanna throw around the word misogynist
Misogynistic? You’re what’s wrong with the world.
What an imbecile, lol. Bad things never happen to good people? Sorry it triggered you, hopefully you found something more in line with your moral dithers.
Your comment actually made me laugh ..
""disgusting and misogynistic".. haha Its a supernatural fictional story! haha Funny about how you didn't mind all the children being burnt to death! But worried about a bunch of ghosts!