The McGloughstein Group feat. Daniel Bessner | Chapo Trap House | Episode 572 FULL
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We’re joined by Daniel Bessner, co-host of the American Prestige podcast, for a remarkably focused and thoughtful Will-less episode. We discuss Trump’s recent statement about Israel “owning” congress, Josh Hawley’s thoughts on masculinity, and the Lincoln Project’s bungled attempt at a false-flag operation to make a Republican appear more racist. Then Matt and Danny tell us about their new Chapo mini-series “Hinge Points,” which will explore some great historical “what-if” moments. Hinge Points will be posting on our Patreon for all subscribers on Fridays, starting 11/5.
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If only Congress had more people like Cori Bush, one of the only politicians who voted against any military aid to Israel and also the 2 billion to the capital police.
Yes, we need more performative votes from performative minorities in our performative government, good observations
love a thoughtful ep. nice island boys reference. Felix should be forced to watch Midsommar tho.
I liked Midsommar but it has to easily be the most survivable horror film ever. Like, yeah, seeing the old people swan dive onto a rock would probably have me shook for a while but the rest of it is just like, don't be a dickhead.
It's funny how today life is stable and comfortable for our rulers, and how all the shocks and failures are absorbed by the masses. I know everyone wants to compare our exploitation to some feudal age, but if you actually look at the history, it's almost completely the opposite. England's nobility was decimated by dynastic warfare in the 14th and 15th centuries. By the 16th century the old noblesse d'epee had almost totally been replaced by men who rose through commerce and bureaucracy. The old Earls and Barons weren't nice guys, but at least they had some skin in the game.
"Obamacare for masculinity" is pure poetry
Here before copy paste IP guy!
He must be getting bored.
There is also the race science guy
"Hinge Points"? I want more "Hell Of Presidents"!
We need more Presidents first
Well done, lads!
I look forward to ‘Hingepoints’.
The Josh Hallway stealth bit is very good
I like the helicopter house trap
I wish Israel had lost as much power as he thinks they did. 🤷🏽♂️
When I heard AOC and Ilan Omar controlled Congress, it was instantly a right wing fantasy I’d love to be true
I haven't even listened to this yet and yet, I just KNOW, I feel, based on prior etc., well...It's worth a try! Here goes nothing! Wish me luck!
If the Polish attack my favorite podcast for their off color jokes then I'll introduce them to my friends. Catherine, Maria and Frederick. And I don't think they'd like that.
41:34 "It is only the culture that has totally transformed as opposed to the (economic)base". Totally disagree. The 'gig' economy is a return to a feudal mode of production, along with the associated social bonds. That's why we're seeing this cultural shift. They're trying to create new social bonds to deal with economic bonds breaking down.
A feudal serf doesn't toil away on their plot of land because they think they're going to ascend in the economic hierarchy, they do it because they have to and because a charismatic and swagged out influencer(priest) told them that it's based(pious). The cultural insanity we are witnessing is the contradiction in recreating the social bonds key to feudalism without threatening capital. The contradiction being that any social bond threatens capital because the market has to supersede everything, including social bonds, while the point of social bonds is that they cannot be superseded.
We *love* contradictions don't we folks!
How so? On the surface at least, the 'gig' economy seems at the 180 degrees opposite end of the spectrum from feudal relations that bound the serf to the productive unit, i.e., the manor. If anything, the 'gig' economy seems the logical outcome of Enlightenment rationality that dispenses with any relationship that doesn't have any immediate exchange value. To employers of our era, employees are like inventory, you don't want them around unless you have an immediate need.
@@robertfreitag687 I would say that gig workers are bound to the productive unit, it's just that the productive unit is the app they use. They are unable to carry out production if they don't have access to that app. I suppose my main assertion is not that we are returning to feudalism but that the economic base is in fact changing.
@@bigbrother787 I think it's more to the point to say that we're almost past the Economic Era of human history. Our challenge isn't how to produce enough efficiently. It's how to occupy our time in a meaningful way and organize our community outside the assumption of scarcity. We're just assuming that anything less than 100% full employment is exploitation, whereas what really creates exploitation is the distribution of property, not it's production. Frankly, in our ecological situation, 100% full employment would be more like a war crime than a worthy social goal anyhow.
@@robertfreitag687 "I think it's more to the point to say that we're almost past the Economic Era of human history"
I think we've moved past the period of human history where capitalism has been useful. I don't think we've reached our full potential as a species in terms of economic development though.
"Frankly, in our ecological situation, 100% full employment would be more like a war crime than a worthy social goal anyhow"
I disagree. I think that we would absolutely need 100% employment in order to solve the ecological situation due to how much work needs to be done. This work would be things like building nuclear power plants, highspeed rail, urban renewal, reforestation, de-desertification, re-industrialization etc. As opposed to working at McDonalds or at a white collar job for a company losing a six billion dollars a year.
@@bigbrother787 Sorry, but not buying it. Not for a second. Green engineering is about alternate materials, design and more efficient production and consumption. Insisting on adding radically more human labor to meet the arbitrary goal of 100% employment completely undermines its central purpose. The technical challenges to a green economy are trivial compared to the political challenges, and adding more workers won't accomplish the goal any faster.
I think you're having a hard time getting past certain culturally contingent norms about resource distribution and the determination of hierarchical status. Frankly, you're never going to implement a green economy if you're still thinking about stake holding, production and consumption in 19th century terms.
I know why this is so hard for some people to do. Traditional Marxist political theory makes popular power dependent on their withholding labor from the ownership class. Obviously that presupposes 100% full employment. But that never really worked outside of a few narrow windows enabled by completely idiosyncratic circumstances that no sane person would even think about attempting to sustain--e.g., global wars with existential stakes.
great pod
“It’s like working with Amelia Bedelia”
midsommar is about grief. of course the main image is her frowning.
no it's about doing drugs in the woods with your pals
that movie was like 90 minutes too long
Damn I wish I could see you live. I live in bum ass Binghamton NY. I wont ask you to come here because no one should come here but id totally drive to syracuse or ithaca.
Imagine how shitty a place has to be that you **go** to Syracuse for entertainment.
Binghamton to Brooklyn is a bus and a subway away.
I’m from Binghamton (chenango forks class of 08) and I can confirm it’s the shittiest place on earth. I left and will never go back
I don't think that Xi thinks the recent measures about video games is all that has to happen
Bessner is one of those weirdos who has to fit in China into every pathological scenario featuring the US, b/c some people have the temerity of thinking that Xi might be doing a few things right.
Xi is still constrained by the global system of capitalism, he is just less constrained than western leaders.
So Matt's new project is kind of a counterfactual journey through German history?
I think what he's responding to is the German cultural orientation towards production vs. the English bias towards trade, thinking that there is somehow some innate aspect of this that could point towards a new revolutionary model. But I think he's mistaken.
It's just an accident of historical geography that Britain was better placed to launch a colonial empire. It's not that there's something inherent to German culture that would have resisted the impulse towards reductive commodification. It's just that they didn't have as many ready opportunities at hand.
All of which is besides the point because we're living in a post-industrial world where technology has made the traditional German preoccupation with engineering obsolete anyhow. There are very few sigma six type revolutions in our future. Outside of green adaptations, it's just a matter of periodic market re-branding now.
Oh man I hope they review Ordinary Joe on this is sus
Soda Stereo clip wtf.
wtf do they mean by “bodies and spaces”
Gonna guess it's a Ta-Nehisi Coates reference, but haven't gotten to that part of the episode yet.
Confusing radlib shit
FIRST!
Matt’s trump is so bad he really needs to give it a rest
Bad Trump best Trump
no its good
I do matt's trump now, it's the best. We love his impression don't we folks.
Haha is this podcast just Danny B. coping with the "bad universe" he discusses with Derek by dissociating back into the past to explore futures that might have been, guided and trip sat of course by Marxist shaman Matt Christman?
Dafuq
it'll still be an interesting podcast but i get what you mean
It is yea. Still interesting but yea you hit the nail on the head. To be fair they essentially say what you said multiple times through the podcast.
Didn't intend this as a criticism just wanted to call Matt a marxist shaman lol; its a good show concept