@@enenra6417 To be really fair, jin just used all his strength to break the chains after hanging above the ground for an hour or more while kazuya and heihachi were completely fine, walking and talking leisurely with no injury whatsoever. Yeah this ending just made no sense.
i feel like its because they didnt know what they were doing with the characters in this game until after the game came out. i think we'll see a lot of the roster become a lot more similar to hei in the big season 2 patch.
@Notwedsquid Let's not forget the execution required to pull off said damage. Anyway that's not my point I don't want him to have more tracking anyway I just want every character to be as linear as him unless the move makes sense to track you know what I mean?
@@brycenmarion146 what execution ?? His 2 electric staple already does more than 100 damage with walls. Agree on the second point tho move shouldn't have those pseudo homing property.
Ngl. I know Jin is great but raef just really was on another level with those parries and punishes. Joka fumbled some combos too which could’ve changed the game tbh
@@No__feelingsyou’re actually trolling lol, Jin is def the better character but joka was clearly playing off/bad and it was not an issue cuz of character diff
@@loganechazabal6615 th-cam.com/video/1y3Lci-BU38/w-d-xo.htmlsi=pHZxT7VU3JpnIfYs Feng it the better character according to most pros and by a landslide
@@c_hasting0341 yeah but maybe they should make it a tad bit easier to do lol like don’t make it a true just frame, a leniency of 3-4 frames would be nice, same with electrics
@@tearitup5864 nah keep it the way it is. I can do it perfectly everytime if I don't skip down but I miss out on 3 to 5 damage. Keeping it the way it is ensures more reward for practicing. If you struggle with true omen just do f n d df instead of f n df. Or use ff2 ender instead. And making electrics NOT true just frame is dumb
@@c_hasting0341 lol eh I mean for the sake of tournaments, kinda tired of seeing characters with easy execution dominate like drag. Wanna see some high level execution characters win more
The parry catches anything but elbows, knees, weapons and jumping strikes. Doesn't hurt to throw it up when someone is pressing you. Translation, the parry is OP and Raef is already a good player.
Jin is strong, but it feels like everytime a jin player win his entire credit goes to "yeah jin is a strong character," but whenever he loses it, he gets the credit for the lose.. had a friend who left the game only for that reason of us as a community that we keep crying on character instead of complimenting the player
@@brohan1843 i mean you can tell that the other guy was just costantly spamming safe strings, controlling neutral like crazy with those braindead moves, the character is just straight up broken, and you are acting like its not top 3 now? look online, jin players on high rank are so bad, its full of GoD jins that are helpless but they still get to that rank.
Its only natural, would you agree that if raef was 5-0 with kazuya or dj it was more impressive? Of course you would because winning with a weaker character shows skill and outplaying the opponent, winning with a broken character does not necessarily shows skill, even if raef played an amazing game, he got away with so much bs because of jin. D2 for a full combo and pressure with broken heat and easy execution that generates insane momentum, is not really impressive..
Mainman on all mishimas electrics: OHHHH NICE ELECTRIC Mainman when jin electric: man jin's electric is so strong i hate this character did i remind you i hate jin?
@thruerius oh wow you hate jin??? You are so original and reasonable can you please tell everyone one more time how much you hate jin since its totally reasonable and surely not at all annoying?? Please continue overhating a character while forgetting the dumber characters just because other characters are not as popular so you dont face them as much, that will totally make the game healthy right???
@avoidthevo1d i hate t8 Jin. A lot of Jin main hate the character in T8 too. People will stop to hate him in second season when he get nerfed with all other top 5 characters that you said
@thruerius i actually really doubt people will stop hating jin even if he becomes the worst character in the game after a patch, cmon its the tekken community we are talking about
Heihachi is like Bryan - very strong when played right. Everthing this dude does, give either a guaranteed follow up or great oki. Damage also fking craaaazy
20:06 I agree on this but the way I put it simply is that we as a player hesitate, we know those animation is familiar enough to react but our brain, eyes, fingers aren't synchronised every time we under pressure, so we just sit there until it's too late
What I really disliked about T8 the most will be Heat Smash that's plus on block, worse it's forced 50/50 stance mixup which is a nightmare to deal with. Why can't they just uniform all mid Heatsmashes move to be minus on block and doesn't transition to a forced mixup. In T7 Rage Drives are deadly but they're easy to deal with jabs to be cancelled and doesn't have a forced 50/50 stance mixup on block. Also, I forgot to mention how most Heatsmash has an insane tracking, for sure there were nerfs in some characters but why can't they just make it uniform that is easy to step, movement in T8 needs to be better considering how they nerfed backdash and sidestep/sidewalk has a buff compared in T7 which is really good.
Raef did great, a wonderful pressure. Though I'd say Jin is indeed a universal pick once you nail the execution. Ngl I guess only Yoshi could possibly stop Jin with his notorious flash game, which literally breaks Tekken at its core.
Jins electric tracks to his weak side,like every mishimas electric,you can only step it in 1 direction,and his electric has pretty average damage,lets not lie now mainman
No other electric has even close the amount of tracking jin's has. Jin's electric is basically homing when you try to ssl or swl, kazuya's is weak to ssl as most of his kit, but you can still quite easily step his electric to the right, so no, jin's electric is unique in its tracking. And you are mistaken when you say that jin's electric tracks to his weak side, it's the opposite actually, so let's not lie please
It’s funny that he talks about D2 when Joka is getting caught sidestepping but not when he blocks it 5 times on reaction 3 d2s caught Joka pressing and CH him. 3 caught him sidestepping. 1 whiffed and 5 were blocked on neutral
TMM: The all purpose low Jin d2 Joka: Blocks 80% of D2s..... LMAO, can't even hide the jin hate despite being disproven right before his eyes on how reactable the move is. He also chooses the ONE time Joka is mid sidestep to try and push his point that it isn't reactable, you can't make this up. 2:10 1/1 , 1/2 6:23 (CH under electric), 8:00 2/3, 8:16 3/4, 8:36 4/5 9:24 5/6, 10:08 6/7, 12:48 6/8 (CH on heat smash attempt), 16:22 6/9 (CH on Power Crush) , 18:41 6/10 (Caught mid sidestep). So not only did 6 of them out of 10 attempts got blocked. The 3/4 that did hit, were all on CH lol.
Its still a high crushing(sometimes crushes mid), tracking, counter-hit launching, great ranged low (yes, tmm says this after "over-edifying" jin's d2). That 20% chance yields such a huge reward-- and this is from watching pros go at it.. D2 being reactable is just a small aspect of the move, its all of the above AND 80% reactable at the highest level.
15:30 in fairness I think Feng should have lower damage since he's such a good mix goblin The problem is characters like Yoshi who are mix gremlins but get good damage
Raef earned that win, played very solid and consistently and aggressively, well done. It sucks joka was missing so many punishes but that's the god fist lifestyle
I mean, if Joka made it to GF winner's side, then I don’t see how Heihachi isn’t tournament viable. He'd still have to face off against Ninas, Drags, and other Jin players. Characters who are "Tournament viable." If that's the first showing of a Heihachi in tournament, it doesn’t get much better than that. People can argue the competition wasn’t that strong until Joka fought Raef or that Joka's just that good. But IDK. I don’t necessarily agree with those arguments to say he isn’t viable. And this goes for any character in any fighting game. Yeah. Some characters are *just that bad* where you can say "It’s the player who makes them look good." But I don’t believe Heihachi is one of them
name another character with 10 frame wallsplat, ch launcher unseeable low, floorbreak unseeable low, highcrush unseeable low poke, wall splat heat smash from a million miles away, perfect parry, almost every single move is safe on block, delayable demon paw makes it track, COMPLETE THROW GAME, 7 million oki techs, wavedash + wavedash mixup... literally top 1 character, the only thing holding the character back is the players
Jin’s UF2 is also CH Wallsplat and is SAFE ON BLOCK! It’s crazy Feng has it but its punishable. That shit should be balanced. This coming from a Jin main
Let’s go baby just got may last heihachi to kishin same ranks on all accounts should hit tk in a week or so stay grinding fellas, great to see hei in tourney
You guys know Joka could pick Jin too right? If Joka thought it’s just the character, he woulda picked Jin too. Reaf is playing phenomenally. Joka seems to be having an off day. Both combined, gonna make Jin look super OP. I stand by the argument that d2 is tractable and so is hell sweep. But like any other moves in this game, if you are conditioned and place the moves properly, you will hit your opponent with them. Jins d2 follow up can prob have less damage perhaps a mini juggle. But besides that, he does need the low. Needs more than just what he had in t7. T7 was super tough to land lows with Jin.
i am a jin main in T7 and haven't played T8 yet but he looks so op kazuya who is my 2nd main in t7 looks more interesting and way more honest to play in t8 than jin to be fair
I mean jin just has the better versions of dvjs moves. D2 is the better version of dvj db2, Jin has the better samsara, he has the better cancan, he has a straight up hopkick. Better heat smash, better and safer 50/50, better reversal/parry, better demons paw, better pokes. The only reason i play dvj is because hes way more fun. And i like the voice more
D2 on Jin is reactable, I've faced many JIns and I'm currently Kishin (first Tekken played competitively). Most certainly is, Hellsweep being reactable is a bit of stretch however...
@@makeomengreatagainlol yes but it’s all about basics doesn’t matter what character you play the game is the game you block react and counter that’s it
@@yastheaustralian8590 Not really. With some chars you don't need to think about spacing, linearity, neutral or take risks cause they have tools doing all of those or majority of those at once
in what universe does heihachi get 2/3 of hp on an electric? heihachi literally also gets 90-95 dmg lmao. It is news to me however that jin gets that fucking much i didnt know that. Shows how disgusting jin is when despite having everything in the game he also gets to have the highest combo damage lmao. Jin players will keep downplaying tho
@@avoidthevo1d no no, i agree with that guy, it's a bitter feeling when you lose to a character who's a jack-of-all-trades but does most things better than everyone else, yet can be played by a monkey
I always said DON'T FORCE HEAT BURST just to not die with heat! It is way to obvious and I rather die with heat than forcing heat burst, just to get it stepped and die lmao it's crazy how often it happens when you watch tournaments closely
@ brother TMM has a history of years of hating on jin. He just DOESNT like the char for whatever reason. He would know if you would habe been here for a while
It's 22 frames but unlike D2 it's not very telegraphed, similar to Hellsweep which makes it very hard to be able to react to it. If it was more telegraphed then I'm sure other players could but yeah I agree it's not easy to react to tbh and this is coming from a Jin main.
if choka didn’t run in at 11:31 2 seconds would’ve burned it would’ve been 2 seconds THEN you could’ve pressed buttons and chewed up clock or sum? idk you run in and sit there like?
He deserves criticism as a character and TMM and much of his viewer base or Mishima's who sweat up on execution and draw issue with T8 Jins inherently lower skill floor
@@Dan-bf1li of course you press him using drag, the character is DESIGNED to be oppressive and seize momentum of the match, but if you're not something as aggressive and controlling as dragunov then jin gets free reign to use his kit which is where the problems begin
Against heihachi yeah the heihachi player just has to be better but with feng?Feng is pretty on par with jin although slightly worse its just that joka got outplayed here
Bro saying Jin gets a lot of damage off an Electric. A good Electric combo does around 90-95 damage on Jin, where Heihachi gets 2/3rds of your health with an Electric. I know Jin is busted, but the bias is so blatant that he's starting to downplay Heihachi's damage in favor of Jin, which is just delusional
I feel it's implied that Jin gets too much damage off electric on TOP of the fantastic move set he already has. In Tekken 8 Heihachi's character is built around his damage as his core strength. Heihachi = High risk high reward, big fucking combo damage but is limited in his moveset. Jin = Low risk high reward, big fucking combo damage and can also do anything.
@Hyboe Jin doesn't do nearly as much damage as Heihachi. It's one thing to hate Jin, I do too, but it's another to act like Jin's damage is up there with Heihachi's
He's insanely biased. He literally went on a whole smear campaign for months talking crap about Jin. I don't know how people don't see how it almost seems disingenious. Jin is broken but he never shits on Drag or Nina that hard even though they're much stronger.
Jin hater here, d2 is reactable imo, it’s very good move no doubt, too good to a degree. But the start up is VERY obvious and thankfully he can’t cancel it. Everything else he does is bs tho
I saw everytime people complaining about Jin heatsmash, but aren’t his Rage Drive in T7 does the same thing and has the same properties? It also wallsplat from half screen if not further because Jin while doing so is also moving forward??
The jin fanboys can't accept the fact his good and TMM just have their own opinion, its not hate but fair critism. TMM also gave Raef his credit due, so many brainlets barely watched the video before commenting.
nah, everyone know is jin is busted, but we rarely seen jin winning in tourney because everyone really knows his moveset and raef here really pull out "the busted" jin in this match, he literally cookin with parry+2,4 not all jin player can do that, yet TMM yappin about jin more than talkin what raef does here lmao
@kuwuon true I can see it that way too, he might have some agendas but in the end, he isn't a pro. Let him give his 2 cent. We're not pros either assuming u dont compete.
@@kuwuon knows his moveset? he has a complete kit, you could know his entire moveset and it'd still be strong, because it's both generalist AND strong
@@Doublejho agree with that, but itll be useless if ur opponent reads u just watch the match between devilster vs knee at baaz gauntlet, 214 string doesnt work against knee even tho that string is freakin strong
@@DealtwithImpunity Yeah. That very slow Bryan low launcher, you litteraly see him starting to turn around but you press the button, because of the rollback, it hit more than it should. Even the Law one
@elmousse007 it's just a case of practice, when i'm actually looking for snake edges it's fine, but barely anybody uses them -15 is reactable as a punish online, imo, though i often end up using my i14 out of habit
Got to Kishin with heihachi and dropped to flame ruler in the next two days lmfao… In all honesty Ive never hated a game so much and cant put the fuckin sticks down ever in my life. Game feels more like luck than skill 95% of the time i play. Homing attacks vary on every character which doesnt make sense to me. They want us to side step but we still get hit with 360 tracking… Mashers randomly duck highs (Even mids sometimes with certain characters) with launcher attacks that evade everything… The whiffs sometimes are ridiculous… I can block 50 attacks in a row and still not be able to even throw a jab from minus frames... The attack frequency is out the roof… The Lows are beyond strong an fast af makin it infuriating to block. Damage is out the roof… dont forget the Heat Smash, power crushes an rage arts lmfao. These creators had to be on DMT, Acid, Shrooms, Crack, The Red Pill, The Blue Pill, and adderall when making this game. Rant Over. Back to Tekken 🤣
It’s just tekken the character doesn’t matter I can cry about the character as much as I want but did I bother reading the moves knowing what inputs it takes to do that move ? No that’s the thing it’s just tekken attack block counter grab/throw that’s it. Easy just reaction bro
maybe it’s just me but i hate the preview portion of the intro that TMM has been doing in his vids. i just feel like it’s unnecessary since im going to watch the video anyways
Ugh, he could've took that one match if he didn't rush in,, you had a handful of seconds to survive, the life lead, and access to your rage art, he was bound to rush in he had no choice so all he had to do was let him attack,, he was bound to either try and use his special or go in for a quick hit, either way you knew it was coming in the next few seconds he could've just backed up waited and used his special as he tried to steal the win,, running straight in for the kill while he had the life lead was the last thing he should've done,
TMM: “If Jin catches you back-turned, you’re dead.”
That would explain how he beat both Kazuya and Heihachi in Tekken 4.
To be fair Kazuya just got done getting beaten up by Heihachi while Heihachi just got done beating up Kazuya. While our boy Jin is fresh
@@enenra6417Jin just got worked by Hwoarang before getting mauled by the Tekken Force
@@enenra6417 To be really fair, jin just used all his strength to break the chains after hanging above the ground for an hour or more while kazuya and heihachi were completely fine, walking and talking leisurely with no injury whatsoever. Yeah this ending just made no sense.
@@enenra6417 jin was chained up and drugged from fighting tekken force if anything he had the worst out of the three
@@enenra6417Jin is literally just him bro, he’s by stats the strongest Mishima
Boggles my mind how steppable they made Heihachi but almost the rest of the game almost bs tracking on more than half their moves
i feel like its because they didnt know what they were doing with the characters in this game until after the game came out. i think we'll see a lot of the roster become a lot more similar to hei in the big season 2 patch.
Well you do gotta remember he has insane damage probably second best in the game imagine if he had insane tracking with that damage.
@Notwedsquid Let's not forget the execution required to pull off said damage. Anyway that's not my point I don't want him to have more tracking anyway I just want every character to be as linear as him unless the move makes sense to track you know what I mean?
@@brycenmarion146 what execution ?? His 2 electric staple already does more than 100 damage with walls. Agree on the second point tho move shouldn't have those pseudo homing property.
@@brycenmarion146 gotcha yeah agree though every character should be like heihachi on the tracking
Ngl. I know Jin is great but raef just really was on another level with those parries and punishes. Joka fumbled some combos too which could’ve changed the game tbh
Yeah but if we’re being honest, he’s not 6-0 better than joka, raef made mistakes too, but his character is better lol
@@No__feelings He was 6-0 better in this particular match, if we're being honest.
@@No__feelingsyou’re actually trolling lol, Jin is def the better character but joka was clearly playing off/bad and it was not an issue cuz of character diff
@@loganechazabal6615 th-cam.com/video/1y3Lci-BU38/w-d-xo.htmlsi=pHZxT7VU3JpnIfYs Feng it the better character according to most pros and by a landslide
jin is just way too broken and way too braindead, for sure needs to be tuned down.
Heihachi is for sure hard to play but joka was also very slow so many strings he stepped, blocked, swayed but didn’t do the correct punish.
Yeah don’t forget the drops, those iron hand into dropping the omen thunder god fist was really heartbreaking
@@tearitup5864 honestly cathartic to see a player of this level dropping the same shit I do
@@c_hasting0341 yeah but maybe they should make it a tad bit easier to do lol like don’t make it a true just frame, a leniency of 3-4 frames would be nice, same with electrics
@@tearitup5864 nah keep it the way it is. I can do it perfectly everytime if I don't skip down but I miss out on 3 to 5 damage. Keeping it the way it is ensures more reward for practicing. If you struggle with true omen just do f n d df instead of f n df. Or use ff2 ender instead. And making electrics NOT true just frame is dumb
@@c_hasting0341 lol eh I mean for the sake of tournaments, kinda tired of seeing characters with easy execution dominate like drag. Wanna see some high level execution characters win more
Raef is actually reacting to f4 with parry. Is that not crazy lol
This is insane and it's only an i19 move!
He doesnt react it, he expects it
@@gollder_54 Well then he has an insane read on Joka lol
7:16 yeah he's definitely doing it on read
The parry catches anything but elbows, knees, weapons and jumping strikes. Doesn't hurt to throw it up when someone is pressing you.
Translation, the parry is OP and Raef is already a good player.
Loved seeing Heichachi, obviously Jin is very strong but Joka played very badly against Raef, very nervous, dropping a lot, missing punishes
Jin is strong, but it feels like everytime a jin player win his entire credit goes to "yeah jin is a strong character," but whenever he loses it, he gets the credit for the lose.. had a friend who left the game only for that reason of us as a community that we keep crying on character instead of complimenting the player
Ye dude, raef straight up outplayed joka. Jin is strong no doubt but raef was cookin. Tekkem 8 jin in the hands of a jin specialist is scary indeed
if your frined quit because of others crying he cant play any fighting game everyone cries about every charcter
@@brohan1843 i mean you can tell that the other guy was just costantly spamming safe strings, controlling neutral like crazy with those braindead moves, the character is just straight up broken, and you are acting like its not top 3 now? look online, jin players on high rank are so bad, its full of GoD jins that are helpless but they still get to that rank.
@@magifelixthegoat im the only 1 whit more then 400 hours on jin and still in raijin?
Its only natural, would you agree that if raef was 5-0 with kazuya or dj it was more impressive? Of course you would because winning with a weaker character shows skill and outplaying the opponent, winning with a broken character does not necessarily shows skill, even if raef played an amazing game, he got away with so much bs because of jin. D2 for a full combo and pressure with broken heat and easy execution that generates insane momentum, is not really impressive..
Well, at this point I'd be happy to see anybody who's not using Drag wins at tournament
Except jin and yoshi. And feng. And alisa
@falaflani4831 I would agree with Alisa
@@mubienkvape i'd agree with all of them, plus claudio and law
Don't forget Lili...
@@ShinHeiLong I don't agree with that
Mainman on all mishimas electrics:
OHHHH NICE ELECTRIC
Mainman when jin electric:
man jin's electric is so strong i hate this character did i remind you i hate jin?
He said d4 is strong, so you should expect everything esle to be OP lol
And I completelly feel him
@thruerius oh wow you hate jin??? You are so original and reasonable can you please tell everyone one more time how much you hate jin since its totally reasonable and surely not at all annoying?? Please continue overhating a character while forgetting the dumber characters just because other characters are not as popular so you dont face them as much, that will totally make the game healthy right???
@avoidthevo1d i hate t8 Jin. A lot of Jin main hate the character in T8 too. People will stop to hate him in second season when he get nerfed with all other top 5 characters that you said
@thruerius i actually really doubt people will stop hating jin even if he becomes the worst character in the game after a patch, cmon its the tekken community we are talking about
I took a break from tekken 8 after fighting a bunch of jins in row to go see a movie. Jins scourge is still tracking to me in the cinema pls send help
Even pro player gets stressed that much, his name is Choka.
Heihachi is like Bryan - very strong when played right. Everthing this dude does, give either a guaranteed follow up or great oki. Damage also fking craaaazy
Raef got crazy read on Joka. Joka got cooked
Gotta give it to Raef that parry game was so on point
20:06 I agree on this but the way I put it simply is that we as a player hesitate, we know those animation is familiar enough to react but our brain, eyes, fingers aren't synchronised every time we under pressure, so we just sit there until it's too late
Raef’s is so scary.
While he is a strong player, i think this video highlights how broken Jin is more.
@@markbonker6861 well said jin broken
@@markbonker6861 yea but he been doing it since T7 when Jin was difficult to use
0:12 that what Hwoarang said
Also that the reason why 1+2 turns him around
Yo 🤣🤣
What I really disliked about T8 the most will be Heat Smash that's plus on block, worse it's forced 50/50 stance mixup which is a nightmare to deal with. Why can't they just uniform all mid Heatsmashes move to be minus on block and doesn't transition to a forced mixup. In T7 Rage Drives are deadly but they're easy to deal with jabs to be cancelled and doesn't have a forced 50/50 stance mixup on block. Also, I forgot to mention how most Heatsmash has an insane tracking, for sure there were nerfs in some characters but why can't they just make it uniform that is easy to step, movement in T8 needs to be better considering how they nerfed backdash and sidestep/sidewalk has a buff compared in T7 which is really good.
Raef did great, a wonderful pressure. Though I'd say Jin is indeed a universal pick once you nail the execution. Ngl I guess only Yoshi could possibly stop Jin with his notorious flash game, which literally breaks Tekken at its core.
Heihachi feels the clunkiest out of the mishimas
I mean..HE IS A BIG BOI
-5 df1 and 1 1 :)
@ yeah like wtf why did they do that
After going back to Kaz for a few weeks. He definitely is a big clunky old man 🤣
@@Animavestraisjuggernautto tone his pressure down and emphasize his chunky hits more
The pressure goes to Reina now
Jins electric tracks to his weak side,like every mishimas electric,you can only step it in 1 direction,and his electric has pretty average damage,lets not lie now mainman
tmm just can't help himself XD
you dont step electrics to the left!??
@@iTzJay0 you misunderstood,i was saying every mishima has 1 side where you can step their electric,maybe left maybe right
No other electric has even close the amount of tracking jin's has. Jin's electric is basically homing when you try to ssl or swl, kazuya's is weak to ssl as most of his kit, but you can still quite easily step his electric to the right, so no, jin's electric is unique in its tracking. And you are mistaken when you say that jin's electric tracks to his weak side, it's the opposite actually, so let's not lie please
@@noxxian false
man Raef mopped the floor with Joka. wp both
6:04 xD, funny cause heihachi deals even more damage
ive seen so many heis in tournaments, prob the most used char lately. in korean SOOP tournaments you had 3 heis in top8. cbm, jdcr and qudans
"Joka feeling flustered, he missed 3 Omens"
Boi if i was getting robbed in broad daylight like that multiple times that controller would be flying
It’s funny that he talks about D2 when Joka is getting caught sidestepping but not when he blocks it 5 times on reaction
3 d2s caught Joka pressing and CH him. 3 caught him sidestepping. 1 whiffed and 5 were blocked on neutral
It's also funny that mainman talks about Jin's heat smash but Feng literally has the same one LULZ
He blocked 6 total from my count out of 10 attempts, 3 hit while CH and 1 was while stepping
It's funny how people think that offline and online reaction times are thee same thing
@feng’s heatsmash is 5f frames slower and easier to ss
@@kealtusadnah jin heat smash is way faster and has way more tracking
TMM: The all purpose low Jin d2
Joka: Blocks 80% of D2s.....
LMAO, can't even hide the jin hate despite being disproven right before his eyes on how reactable the move is. He also chooses the ONE time Joka is mid sidestep to try and push his point that it isn't reactable, you can't make this up.
2:10 1/1 , 1/2 6:23 (CH under electric), 8:00 2/3, 8:16 3/4, 8:36 4/5 9:24 5/6, 10:08 6/7, 12:48 6/8 (CH on heat smash attempt), 16:22 6/9 (CH on Power Crush) , 18:41 6/10 (Caught mid sidestep). So not only did 6 of them out of 10 attempts got blocked. The 3/4 that did hit, were all on CH lol.
Good job
spotted the virjin
jin mains are so funny
Its still a high crushing(sometimes crushes mid), tracking, counter-hit launching, great ranged low (yes, tmm says this after "over-edifying" jin's d2).
That 20% chance yields such a huge reward-- and this is from watching pros go at it.. D2 being reactable is just a small aspect of the move, its all of the above AND 80% reactable at the highest level.
Most of Jin's hate is because of obnoxious fans lol thought I'd let you know
Bro Raef cooked Joka, Literally, When you say that Jin has broken stuff you sound like FENG DOESN'T HAVE ANY SHIT AND COMPLETLY F TIER.
Saw this and about the filling the Coloseum with water is actually historically acurate they even recreated naval battles on the coloseum
I love when you watch matches, I really like these videos and the insights you give
15:30 in fairness I think Feng should have lower damage since he's such a good mix goblin
The problem is characters like Yoshi who are mix gremlins but get good damage
Plus that combo was off a safe 13f launcher that also hits grounded. Feng is really good.
"If Jin cataches you back turned, you're dead"
Ah, so that's what Xiaoyu and Hwoarang are after
Raef earned that win, played very solid and consistently and aggressively, well done. It sucks joka was missing so many punishes but that's the god fist lifestyle
Wyd on Thanksgiving... me *eating cereal watching mainman* happy Thanksgiving
Man if joka did ff2 he probably would’ve won, he kept dropping omen
I mean, if Joka made it to GF winner's side, then I don’t see how Heihachi isn’t tournament viable. He'd still have to face off against Ninas, Drags, and other Jin players. Characters who are "Tournament viable."
If that's the first showing of a Heihachi in tournament, it doesn’t get much better than that. People can argue the competition wasn’t that strong until Joka fought Raef or that Joka's just that good.
But IDK. I don’t necessarily agree with those arguments to say he isn’t viable. And this goes for any character in any fighting game.
Yeah. Some characters are *just that bad* where you can say "It’s the player who makes them look good." But I don’t believe Heihachi is one of them
name another character with 10 frame wallsplat, ch launcher unseeable low, floorbreak unseeable low, highcrush unseeable low poke, wall splat heat smash from a million miles away, perfect parry, almost every single move is safe on block, delayable demon paw makes it track, COMPLETE THROW GAME, 7 million oki techs, wavedash + wavedash mixup... literally top 1 character, the only thing holding the character back is the players
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Every low is unseeable is hilarious even Ash cannot say that.
Jin’s UF2 is also CH Wallsplat and is SAFE ON BLOCK! It’s crazy Feng has it but its punishable. That shit should be balanced. This coming from a Jin main
@@hatto 24 is a wallsplatting 10 frame punish.
@@hatto 2,4 Is a natural wallsplat
I havent started watching it yet. But lemme guess, TMM Jin hatred ensues? 😂
Just another Monday for TMM
Yep,this video was more about jin than heihachi
You would be correct sir! He is trying his best to get jin nerfed to the ground. What a weirdo lol.
@@KDBSPORTS_ENT honestly i'd be happy to see it, that character isn't just eating but feasting right now
Somehow, Heihachi has an aura very similar to Akuma.
Yeah i dont think we'll be seeing Heihachi a lot in tournaments. He feels like a once in a blue moon tournament character
Let’s go baby just got may last heihachi to kishin same ranks on all accounts should hit tk in a week or so stay grinding fellas, great to see hei in tourney
Joka is carried hard by feng.
Bruh what
Mainman was glazing joka pretty much every 2 seconds even when he's getting rag dolled by raef, can't figure out why
Only cause he hates jin
You guys know Joka could pick Jin too right? If Joka thought it’s just the character, he woulda picked Jin too. Reaf is playing phenomenally. Joka seems to be having an off day. Both combined, gonna make Jin look super OP.
I stand by the argument that d2 is tractable and so is hell sweep. But like any other moves in this game, if you are conditioned and place the moves properly, you will hit your opponent with them.
Jins d2 follow up can prob have less damage perhaps a mini juggle. But besides that, he does need the low. Needs more than just what he had in t7. T7 was super tough to land lows with Jin.
i am a jin main in T7 and haven't played T8 yet but he looks so op
kazuya who is my 2nd main in t7 looks more interesting and way more honest to play in t8 than jin to be fair
The d riding is craaaazy ngl
Here for Joka glazing and Hei downplay.
I mean jin just has the better versions of dvjs moves.
D2 is the better version of dvj db2, Jin has the better samsara, he has the better cancan, he has a straight up hopkick.
Better heat smash, better and safer 50/50, better reversal/parry, better demons paw, better pokes.
The only reason i play dvj is because hes way more fun. And i like the voice more
D2 on Jin is reactable, I've faced many JIns and I'm currently Kishin (first Tekken played competitively). Most certainly is, Hellsweep being reactable is a bit of stretch however...
Hellsweep is only reliably reactable offline.
seen so many ppl claim this, and still, even the pros offline get hit by it. stop acting like a prediction is a reaction.
Raef bodied joka
*Jin
@@makeomengreatagain true but raef deserves credit too, his parries during the heiachi match was insane
@@jervaniwilliams9071 True
@@makeomengreatagainlol yes but it’s all about basics doesn’t matter what character you play the game is the game you block react and counter that’s it
@@yastheaustralian8590 Not really. With some chars you don't need to think about spacing, linearity, neutral or take risks cause they have tools doing all of those or majority of those at once
Those parries are crazy...
Heihachi's major tournament showcase
Hey do think it’s possible to use Lars in tournament and come in top 8 cause I heard that it has not been done
If lars players dont go to tournament or are not good enough then you got your answer. But if you meant smh that T8 is bad...
Do we know here this took place? The dude is drinking water from a greek brand plastic bottle, plus there was an event here in Athens last week
Change the title. He’s already won a tourney with Heihachi
in what universe does heihachi get 2/3 of hp on an electric? heihachi literally also gets 90-95 dmg lmao. It is news to me however that jin gets that fucking much i didnt know that. Shows how disgusting jin is when despite having everything in the game he also gets to have the highest combo damage lmao. Jin players will keep downplaying tho
Bro cannot stop overhating jin i swear to god
Jin deserve
@KhadimCreation get out
Deserved, braindead character
@@KhadimCreation crybaby.
@@avoidthevo1d no no, i agree with that guy, it's a bitter feeling when you lose to a character who's a jack-of-all-trades but does most things better than everyone else, yet can be played by a monkey
Fighting jin feels like a boss fight
I always said DON'T FORCE HEAT BURST just to not die with heat! It is way to obvious and I rather die with heat than forcing heat burst, just to get it stepped and die lmao it's crazy how often it happens when you watch tournaments closely
The jin hâte with TMM never stops 😂😂😂. Man give raef some credits. The man just performs
he gave him credit watch the full video... jin is just fucking op..............
@ brother TMM has a history of years of hating on jin. He just DOESNT like the char for whatever reason. He would know if you would habe been here for a while
@@Enjay44 what he say makes sense tho
@Enjay44 He loved jin before t8 where they dumbed him down a lot tbf. It's not like he always hated jin
He gave raef his credit, he's just saying jin is overtuned
This was my first time rooting for Feng. Jin is ridiculous
3:24 homing is a suggestion
his hands were shaking like crazy 25:10
Heihachi is the Azucena of Mishimas
It's 22 frames but unlike D2 it's not very telegraphed, similar to Hellsweep which makes it very hard to be able to react to it. If it was more telegraphed then I'm sure other players could but yeah I agree it's not easy to react to tbh and this is coming from a Jin main.
I wanted to watch the ETC video. Not another complaint about characters 😢😢😢
Half of the scourge animation just looks like Jin is ducking. And not like a special canned duck like snake edge.
As long as I can react to D2 I know my age isn't a problem yet.
joka ducking nearly every d2 is impressive
if choka didn’t run in at 11:31 2 seconds would’ve burned it would’ve been 2 seconds THEN you could’ve pressed buttons and chewed up clock or sum? idk you run in and sit there like?
Damn ,its really tough to play heihachi
I notice that tmm and tmm community from the comment and stream have that firing passion on hating jin. Even more than drag and yoshi. I dont get it
Jin is Top 1 in this game. But i heard TMM has hated Jin since forever. Either way Jin is too strong in this game
@@Centro-centroSo having opposing opinions = hate?
@@Centro-centro Jin is strong but i wouldn't call him top 1, I absolutely press jin using drag. I would argue nina and drag are stronger.
He deserves criticism as a character and TMM and much of his viewer base or Mishima's who sweat up on execution and draw issue with T8 Jins inherently lower skill floor
@@Dan-bf1li of course you press him using drag, the character is DESIGNED to be oppressive and seize momentum of the match, but if you're not something as aggressive and controlling as dragunov then jin gets free reign to use his kit which is where the problems begin
Lets go Jin!
hey Main Man, are you aware that there is a network of bots who use your name to scam people on twitch and discord?
Hey tmm 12:03 heihachi can do it to from wind god kamei
its really boring watching jin cause its just him flying through the air with plus 20 and joka in that case cant do ANYTHING
Against heihachi yeah the heihachi player just has to be better but with feng?Feng is pretty on par with jin although slightly worse its just that joka got outplayed here
My god the crying smh 🤦🏿🤮
Yeah Tekken 8 is so stupid for unpunishable movement but high reward.
@@fistoffury9868duck, the flying kick has a good amount of start up frames and is launch punishable
Heihachi really needs tracking buff
nah more characters need to be nerfed to his level of tracking
no buff just nerf others
Nerfing jin and other busted char sure but he def need a bit of tracking buff. Old man is a 2d char in a 3d game
@@boofkoosher2631every character should be like hei unless they have a gameplan based around tracking or keepout (say lee or bryan)
@@sliippy2152That's a PHIDX take right there; "Tekken 8 is better with nerfs"
I thought D2 was unreactable 🤔
Mainman propoganda
online
@gabereell cope harder
I thought people knew the difference between online and offline
@@TungstenViper people are dumb
Bro saying Jin gets a lot of damage off an Electric.
A good Electric combo does around 90-95 damage on Jin, where Heihachi gets 2/3rds of your health with an Electric. I know Jin is busted, but the bias is so blatant that he's starting to downplay Heihachi's damage in favor of Jin, which is just delusional
I feel it's implied that Jin gets too much damage off electric on TOP of the fantastic move set he already has. In Tekken 8 Heihachi's character is built around his damage as his core strength. Heihachi = High risk high reward, big fucking combo damage but is limited in his moveset. Jin = Low risk high reward, big fucking combo damage and can also do anything.
@Hyboe Jin doesn't do nearly as much damage as Heihachi. It's one thing to hate Jin, I do too, but it's another to act like Jin's damage is up there with Heihachi's
90/95 if you take the wall
He's insanely biased. He literally went on a whole smear campaign for months talking crap about Jin. I don't know how people don't see how it almost seems disingenious.
Jin is broken but he never shits on Drag or Nina that hard even though they're much stronger.
@@kgizzla I agree, Jin is busted, but TMM throws so much shade at Jin as if he's the only offender of a lot of the BS he has
Jin hater here, d2 is reactable imo, it’s very good move no doubt, too good to a degree. But the start up is VERY obvious and thankfully he can’t cancel it. Everything else he does is bs tho
Mainman your Kazyua vs Devilsters Jin?
Can it possible?
It's already happened
Joka was just not in his element in this match
man Reaf old jin main he is a demon
Wtf, i didn't know TMM has bryan tats
I love your tournament match analyses!
you can react to down 2.. if you are not moving lol
+20 with chip??? What the fuck were the devs smoking giving Jin that?
I saw everytime people complaining about Jin heatsmash, but aren’t his Rage Drive in T7 does the same thing and has the same properties? It also wallsplat from half screen if not further because Jin while doing so is also moving forward??
his rage drive in t7 was insane, too
Yeah his rage drive is insane in 7 Than tekken 8
you said feng wei is easy but complex huh so you re saying doing slide cancel is easy point blank runing move wj 3 qc 1+2 ect
Yes, it is.
- a Feng player
Yes it is
-A emperor Feng player(not main)
@@dokuroraidaaa748 sorry devil jin waivu waivu dah dah
The jin fanboys can't accept the fact his good and TMM just have their own opinion, its not hate but fair critism. TMM also gave Raef his credit due, so many brainlets barely watched the video before commenting.
nah, everyone know is jin is busted, but we rarely seen jin winning in tourney because everyone really knows his moveset
and raef here really pull out "the busted" jin in this match, he literally cookin with parry+2,4
not all jin player can do that, yet TMM yappin about jin more than talkin what raef does here lmao
@kuwuon true I can see it that way too, he might have some agendas but in the end, he isn't a pro. Let him give his 2 cent. We're not pros either assuming u dont compete.
Everyone know that Jin is hella good wdym?
@@kuwuon knows his moveset? he has a complete kit, you could know his entire moveset and it'd still be strong, because it's both generalist AND strong
@@Doublejho agree with that, but itll be useless if ur opponent reads u
just watch the match between devilster vs knee at baaz gauntlet, 214 string doesnt work against knee even tho that string is freakin strong
No low is reactable online. Even if you see the move and block, the rollback wont let you block
This is the scrubbiest take I’ve seen in a while
No minus -15 is reactable online. Even if you see the move and block, the roll back won't let you block
@@DealtwithImpunity Yeah. That very slow Bryan low launcher, you litteraly see him starting to turn around but you press the button, because of the rollback, it hit more than it should. Even the Law one
@@daustthefaust8120 Okay Arslan Ash
@elmousse007 it's just a case of practice, when i'm actually looking for snake edges it's fine, but barely anybody uses them
-15 is reactable as a punish online, imo, though i often end up using my i14 out of habit
Got to Kishin with heihachi and dropped to flame ruler in the next two days lmfao…
In all honesty Ive never hated a game so much and cant put the fuckin sticks down ever in my life.
Game feels more like luck than skill 95% of the time i play.
Homing attacks vary on every character which doesnt make sense to me.
They want us to side step but we still get hit with 360 tracking…
Mashers randomly duck highs (Even mids sometimes with certain characters) with launcher attacks that evade everything…
The whiffs sometimes are ridiculous…
I can block 50 attacks in a row and still not be able to even throw a jab from minus frames...
The attack frequency is out the roof…
The Lows are beyond strong an fast af makin it infuriating to block.
Damage is out the roof…
dont forget the Heat Smash, power crushes an rage arts lmfao.
These creators had to be on DMT, Acid, Shrooms, Crack, The Red Pill, The Blue Pill, and adderall when making this game.
Rant Over. Back to Tekken 🤣
Jimbo stays winning
Joka throwing by picking Heihachi... Till next patch
It’s just tekken the character doesn’t matter I can cry about the character as much as I want but did I bother reading the moves knowing what inputs it takes to do that move ? No that’s the thing it’s just tekken attack block counter grab/throw that’s it. Easy just reaction bro
Raef is insane but seeing Jin rubs me the wrong way
maybe it’s just me but i hate the preview portion of the intro that TMM has been doing in his vids. i just feel like it’s unnecessary since im going to watch the video anyways
Ugh, he could've took that one match if he didn't rush in,, you had a handful of seconds to survive, the life lead, and access to your rage art, he was bound to rush in he had no choice so all he had to do was let him attack,, he was bound to either try and use his special or go in for a quick hit, either way you knew it was coming in the next few seconds he could've just backed up waited and used his special as he tried to steal the win,, running straight in for the kill while he had the life lead was the last thing he should've done,
Joka isn’t bad but against top players like Raef he seems pretty average
Joka the legend