1. Heat - not really an issue IMO, but may be to some. I don't feel like it's exponentially hotter than some other bikes I've had where people make no mention of heat. It is warm though, and this may be a bigger or smaller concern contingent on where the rider lives. 2. Wind noise is definitely an issue for taller folks. Laminar flow is your friend. That cheapy wind deflector you put in place is liable to snap at some point at the connecting arms - mine did. I rebuilt it using the deflector and RAM Mounts. 3. Fixed. Go to your dealer and have the ECU flashed to the latest update (I haven't ever experienced it myself, I must be one of the lucky ones despite getting mine in the US the first few days it hit the market.) 4. & 5. Respectfully, I'm gonna chalk this up to the rider and not the bike. The brakes are phenomenal, and very easily modulated. Yes, they bite hard, but that bite can be increased/decreased quite easily based on how hard you pull the lever. I ride my 660 almost entirely in the dirt and have yet to have the front end wash because the brakes "bite" too hard." As for the fluid - not sure about that as I haven't heard of anyone else having this issue either. Cloudy indicates contamination, possibly from moisture. Was the bike left out in the rain for a prolonged period? Either way that shouldn't happen - so that's strange. 6. I think your concern about bending the frame/damaging the bike with the pegs is a bit dramatic. I agree they're a bit close to the front pegs (size 12 boot here.) but not so close that they "get in the way." I ride quite aggressively (it's not unheard of for me to crack triple digits on trails - that's mph not km/h) and have never found myself in a position thinking "Wow, these almost caused me to kill myself on the bike." Having dropped the bike a handful of times in pretty nasty terrain, that's not what ends up getting bent. The gear selector, brake pedal, and sidestand bracket are all the vulnerable/bendy bits that you find get damaged in drops. 7. This is another one that comes down to preference. A wider peg is one that is going to hit the ground sooner when leaning the bike. IMO these are some of the best OE pegs I've experienced, and since the rubbers are hollow, you can still get good grip on the pegs even with the rubber inserts left in. They were very well thought out. 8. I'm inclined to agree here, although I think people mention this far too often. I don't find it distracting personally - and since the ABS is quite simple to turn off when you're not actively using it, this isn't really something that's been a niggle of mine. 9. Agreed. Unfortunately, a number of manufacturers do this. There are things we as consumers can purchase to sort it, but with a hefty price tag (380-450 range) which begs the question of whether it's worth it. If you intend on putting more than 30,000 miles on the bike and servicing it yourself, then it probably is - as that's how long it'll take to offset the costs. 10. Another personal preference thing. I find the TFT extremely legible, and I've not heard a single other person complain of this. 11. Having spoken to a number of people involved in the launch of this bike, they are indeed intended to be handholds to move the bike around - not as pillion handholds. 12. Finish isn't really a problem with the wheels - spokes that loosen up far easier than any other bike I've been on however - that's something worth discussing. I find that I'm constantly checking/tightening spokes on this bike, the front wheel in particular. On the whole, the Tuareg is unquestionably the most well rounded, best bike I've ever ridden, let alone had the privilege of owning. It may not be for everyone, but for me it's as close as we've ever come to the proverbial "unicorn."
BooBear, thanks for the response. I think I need to do another video now that I have more time on the bike. I totally agree with you with the Tuareg being the most well rounded bike. I find that I like it the more I ride it and I just discovered the magic of turning off ATC in Offroad mode. Totally different bike. Thanks again for watching. Doug
I'm in the same boat. The more I ride it, the more I fall in love. That said and as I'm sure you well know, no bike is perfect and I do appreciate your objective criticism of it - and all of your niggles are things that may or may not be an issue for some, and as such they're all worth mentioning. Just the same, the things I may be quick to pick at are things you may roll your eyes at - and that's the beauty of platforms like this! The chassis on this bike is just plainly amazing though - Aprilia clearly had a goal in mind and they achieved it and so much more. Definitely looking forward to more of your content on it!
I just started the video. You know, you are pointing out a major problem with all motorcycles. It's not clear why motorcycles do not have full size windshields. I have two motorcycles, and both have full fairings and windshields, and the windshields are so low that they are really just for racing only, and useless on actual road trips. The only solution I've found is memory foam ear plugs. You basically can't ride at all without ear plugs. Also, switching to a non-hinged helmet. The helmets with a hinged jaw, are about twice as loud as sealed one piece helmets. Also, new helmets with a gasketed seal, and no sharp protruding edges around the visor hinges, don't have the whistling sound from wind. If all motorcycles were sold with an overdrive 6th gear, and a full size windshield, it would solve the problem with all motorcycles, which is wind noise, and too low of gears for highway driving.
Really good to see a video about this bike featuring 'gripes'. I would like to purchase one but have been waiting for a video like this to consider the other side of the coin. Thanks.
I appreciate the critiques, because the bike has had a pretty crazily positive reception. I’ve heard a couple of the critiques from others (engine heat and stupid cruise enabled light), but you really have a good list. Good to know because I’m toying with the idea of trading out my ‘17 GSA for one of these to get a lighter package. Hopefully some issues will have fixes down the line. Oh, and re heat: I have a 2019 Indian FTR, so I can relate to HEAT! Let’s just put it this way: that bike is comfy in the winter - I can warm my hands over the engine.
I think your gripes are legit! I am 60 and my car has a beautiful LED screen with big fonts! For me that's important! Maybe manufacturers should think that people above the age of 40 need slight differences. Or maybe I need better glasses!!!
Interesting to come across your video! Had my first Tuareg encounter and test ride last week. Being 6"3 I found the wind screen surprisingly good. Few stock solutions works as well as this one did for me. Was thoroughly impressed with the bike, on gravel and dirt it was really good. Still spring in Scandinavia so didn't notice heat issues. Didn't notice any issues with the braking either. Will keep your points in mind when I do a second test! Cheers :)
I think all high compression, liquid cooled multi cylinder bikes produce a ton of heat. I've always enjoyed the heat. I ride at night in the summer on my 2008 Hayabusa and ZZR600 bikes, and the entire gas tank, and the frame is super hot from the engine, and you can feel roasting engine heat coming up towards you every time you pull up to a stop light. I don't think there is any way to get away from the heat, since you're sitting on top of the engine, literally. I've not ridden a Tuareg, and maybe it has a unique radiator problem, but I suspect that all bikes produce a substantial amount of heat when you're in stop and go traffic or slow trails.
I have a Tuareg I have done 4,500 km city and offroad. It's the perfect 50/50. For me it is the perfect bike. The electronics work great. It goes very well in the city and in offroad it goes very well, the weight is very well distributed. It is a very good motorcycle. The heat is the least... Things to improve would be the gear change that goes a bit hard but you get used to it and sometimes it cuts the gas when you go slowly, everything else a 10.
I agree with all your points! Still love my bike though…as you do Sir! Better than my previous T7 which didn’t have the same involvement as this one does. Thanks for these vids.
The T7 is excellent, but very bare bones. The Tuareg is a lot more refined and has all the toys... er, I mean electronics. Both are great! Enjoy & ride in good health, Duncan.
It makes so sad ,I can only read the reviews ,cant afford to buy these great bikes ,but there are so many silly complaints ,please just enjoy your bikes ,you are so fortunate to be able to buy such a great bike
i feel ya, i understand both sides. but human 'wants' never ends. theres always something to improve and nothing wrong with that. people need to complain, thats how improvement can be done. id even say people dont complain enough in general with current situation in the world and we have too much of "eh, it is what it is" ;
Thanks , very clear and informative. I 'd like you to tell us what are the 12 good things you enjoy on your bike, as you concluded your vid as happy with it.
I own the Taureg and I moved on from an Africa Twin Adventure Sports ES to get it. The heat issue isn’t bad but I also come from the Harley world. You don’t know heat until you know Harley. The MAP stutter and blinking CC light are both issues that could be resolved with a firmware update I think. I haven’t noticed a big issue with the brakes other than the rear being a bit wooden. I’ll try a softer pad when it’s time to change them out. If you want pannier racks you won’t be getting rid of the passenger peg mounts. The OEM and aftermarket units use them for mounting points. I like the peg size. U.S size 11 Timberland steel toes. After adjusting the shift and brake levers, all is good. I can ride for miles standing up. I don’t ride off -road but the guys I know that do are impressed with the stock peg. The windscreen? I’ve yet to have a screen that I didn’t replace. I have the Puig touring screen on order right now. I did install Aprilia touring windscreen. It’s wider but only a half inch taller. It did nothing to help. Also, on Adventure rider forum some folks having coolant and oil leaking issues due to gasket failures. This seems like it could be an issue.
zyons thank you so much for taking the time to type all this up Good point on amount of heat being relative I think the plan for bags is rackless bags like the Mosko ones. I think the big key to standing on pegs long term is a boot with a good steel shank. I learned that from Maryland Moto. Thanks for the tip on the gaskets. Look for dug89 on ADVRider.
Hi. I own a red one also, less than 1.000 kms done and ready for the first service. Another issue I would add, is that using gloves while riding, easily and accidentally you can turn on the small lever on the left bar, activating the highbeam headlights, wich you can see on dashboard identified by the blue icon on the left side. Forgive me if my English is not perfect , being rusty and Italian. Bye!
Buongiorno Silvio, I lived in Naples for five years, I love your country Good point on the high beam lever! Seen that happen too Thank you for your comment
Def agree with the neutral throttle issue. It is something I want sorted. I've not found heat an issue, but am in the UK. Same with the brakes, mine seem great! I have ditched my pillion pegs... they are very in the way if on a rutted trail and will poss cause an injury, so yup... they gone! :-) With some of the trails I've ridden, I'd not want a wider footpeg, ruts will be an issue, so for me, I like the std pegs. The Aprilia rack has great handles! Really good and interesting video. The bike is amazing, but no bike is perfect. I really wish it came with a proper sump guard and hand guards.
Hippo-Drones, I have an Aprilia rack on order. Pricey but I like how it looks. I would like to create or purchase brackets that replace the pillion peg brackets with a new bracket that can be used to tie rackless panniers to and protect the bags from the exhaust. Thanks for watching.
@@mike.thomas From the dented stock sump guards I have seen on the various Facebook groups, the stock sump guard should be the first mod anyone does to their Tuareg if taking it onto the dirt. I can't wait for mine to arrive as it really puts me off taking the bike on a trail again until I have some proper protection fitted. What is fitted as stock is plenty fine if road riding, and looks nice. It will stop small stones on a gravel road, but not much else.
@@HippoDrones Ahh, OK. I just put a heavy-duty one on my DRZ400s, and the Aprilia’s didn’t seem *too* far away from that (though the Aprilia’s seems to be in two or three pieces?). I stand corrected.
I took a demo ride on one last week and noticed two things that set me back, one was the heat on the right hand side as you mentioned...livable, but very hot nonetheless. The bigger issue for me was the gear box. It is definitely a close ratio box, not a wide or semi-wide ratio, such that at 75mph the bike was tacking almost 6,000 rpm. That's pretty high revving/tiring if you're trying to do any touring to and from a ride such as a BDR. I might be able to get used to it, but other ADV bikes seem to spread the ratios far better in gears 4-6. Otherwise, the light weight, tubeless rims, placement of the gas tank and air filter, etc is very well thought out, and the engine, power and suspension felt great.
It's true, they destroyed the bike, it's not a touring bike or cross country ADV bike, it's really a dirtbike. With the gear ratios being that low, it means you can't take it on long trips, unless you've never worked on an engine and you don't know how an engine works. I say this respectfully, not to be insulting. But only a person who has no understanding of the amount of stresses on an engine at 6,000 rpms would be happy with gear ratios that low on the highway. The engine wear rises exponentially with engine RPM's, so at 6,000 rpms, you're doing 3 times as much engine wear as you would at 3,000 rpms. It needs to be said that ALL motorcycles sold have the wrong gear ratios. The Tiger series, even the Africa Twin 1000 apparently turns about 5,000 rpms at 70mph and is not comfortable on the highway because the gearing is so short. The new 1100 Africa Twin is geared a bit better, but not good enough. I'm hopeful that the Honda Transalp isn't geared super low, there has to be at least ONE good highway bike among the dozens of ADV for sale.
@@Ritalie i dont remember exact rpms but my 2018 AT dct you can comfortably cruise at 120-140kph, engine is super smooth and doesnt feel stressed at all
All new bikes run very lean, which makes them run hotter. You can try getting them re-tuned to improve the air-fuel ratio. The fuel economy might go down ever so slightly but you might also get 1-2 extra HP and more fuel should mean it runs a bit cooler.
I did a full dominator hp6 exhaust de-cat and unfortunately it still runs hot. Removing the cat might reduce it 20-30% not much more...it's hot and I love her.
thorough review and some of these gripes are valid [most*] I have yet to purchase but it is great going in with that info in mind. What do you think of adding a replacement 17 tooth front sprocket instead of the 15 tooth?? It would tame some vibration when at speed on the roadway.
apparently there is a sequence to have it estady and not blinking, which means that is not completely set up.there is a way of making it stay fix (I saw it in some other video, maybe in the manual)
I think we've got stricter emission laws to thank for items 1 & 3. Hot radiator and cat is due to excessively lean mixture making the bike run hot and the missing on neutral throttle is due to the overly frugal fuel mapping cutting the fuel too agressively when the engine is not under load. A more sensible custom mapping should fix both.
Cat would be too hot regardless of mixture (hotter if too rich). Mostly bad placement. Definitely better throttle map for sure for off/on throttle rideability.
Thanks for the video. I am looking at this bike as a BDR kind of bike would need to ride on the road a couple hours to get to the trails. I live in Maine so the heat issue my be more of a plus than a minus; I am curious where you had the bike as it looks almost tropical in the background or maybe it is just nice lanscaping on a sunny day. Thanks, again.
Regarding the wind noise, your windshield spoiler is way too low. I had the same problem on my 2017 BMW R1200 GSA. At 6’3” tall with the windshield in the best possible position, the wind was smacking me in the face all the time. I added the MRA X-creen spoiler (small one, two sizes available) and it made a huge difference. Zero turbulence felt at face level now. The wind goes right over the top of my head. Set yours in a higher position.
The heat was HOT today! Our friend has an Aprilia Tuono, and he took it to the dealer for his 1st scheduled service, got it back home (250 mile round trip) and the dealer DIDN'T RESET THE STUPID SERVICE LIGHT on the dash. He was pissed. All that and the guy left the service light turned on. Unacceptable. Thanks for watching & Thanks for your comment
Have heard that the cloudy oil was from a crappy oem air filter. Dust & fine particles get through especially when riding offroad, the crap gets through the filter, intake & engine. Contaminating the oil & increases the wear on the engine.. Major problem.. Easy fix..From what Another owner reviewer has stated.. Thinking about buying one so researching I am doing.
Awesome and entertaining video. I too have a new Tuareg and have experienced most all your gripes. The engine miss at 3000 rmps while cruising is annoying and to me I believe the bike runs lean. I describe the feeling as a chug or a stutter while maintaining a steady 50-60 mph. I’m hoping for a new map to come out by Aprilla. Running lean could also cause some of the heat issues although I believe the heat is mostly due to the cat. Otherwise great bike and kind of unique, and a value for dollar. I paid $250 under sticker with the usual freight and reasonable prep.
With everyone complaining about the music, your post is a breath of fresh air! :D Thanks for the comment. Hopefully a firmware update can fix the chugging engine. Keep in touch!
Hello, how many liters does your tank fit? My Tuareg 660 model 2022 doesn't fit more than 15.6 liters. I ran the tank completely empty and then filled it up.
Heat can be fixed with catalytic replacement with a re generator and different exhaust. Wind noise is subjective to each person, I'm 5'6" and have no wind problem even with my off-road helmet Cant really argue on front brake as i come from a KLR 650 to the Tuareg 660 and they are far better then what I'm use to Currently hit 950ish miles and brake fluid is fine so far for me. I don't plan on 2 uping. just remove them and fill the hole with a plastic plug till ya get panniers. Dont need them for panniers I found stock foot pegs ok, much more breakable on the tips from being thin, also don't like how they only bend 45 degree instead of all the way. cruise control isnt really a bother. turn indicators automatically turn off on this bike afters many blinks. if you arent using cruise then turn it off problem solved. agree on the service wrench i think theres something on af1 racing? i know thay have a devic to allow you to play with ecu mapping for aftermarket exhaust and such, maybe it has something to reset wrench text size is subjective, all i can say is wear glasses or contacts I agree on the rear handles, wish they added a tail rack or handle bars back there. i dropped in the woods and its hard finding a spot to maneuver the bike back there wheels is a subjective thing not really a problem. i also would buy the bike again easily 10 times over, but as its out longer im sure more and more aftermarket will come to it to fix any issues.
The user manual is almost unreadable for those of us with old eyes. I picked up my 660 yesterday so I haven't yet fully experienced the heat issue - weather is crappy. I saw a TH-cam video where a gentleman opened the fake vents. I'll consider that at some point if the heat in August gets bad. Thank you for this video. I still like the bike but appreciate your insight.
Michael, I saw OCD Moto's video too. Opening the "gills" did little to help the heat. I am convinced the heat issue is caused by the catalytic converter which is something we cannot legally change. Arrow has a "racing" exhaust that deletes the cat. I would think the bike wound need a re-tune after installing that as it would run more lean. All that said, I guess I need to just put up with it. Thanks for watching.
I was intrigued that heat is a problem 'when stuck in traffic', surely the whole point of motorbikes is you don't get stuck in traffic! Then I remembered in the US you generally can't filter (lane split?) like we can legally in the UK
Thanks for the gripes. Add those to the dearth of dealers, and my focus now goes back to the tried, tested, and loads of aftermarket stuff of the ‘22 T7. Just sooo hard to find one.
Thanks! Appreciate the insight into the bike. Not deal breakers for me, but good to know. I have one on order. For me the slightly lower seat height and lower center of gravity than the T7 are what guided my decision. I also like that the Aprilia seems to be a little more performance oriented too. I’m curious if the gas cap is similar to the T7’s where it completely comes off to refill it?
David G, the gas cap completely removes when you fill the tank, no hinged cap/lid. You cannot remove the key with the cap unlocked so the key stays with the cap when it is off. Thanks for watching.
#2: Wind noise. Yea going past 80km/h vibrations in the helmet become very noticeable and past 120 km/h my helmet indeed tries to shake my head off. #9 Service light: Annoying. I did the first service early because I had trip planned. When I picked it up from the garage, they told me they were not able to reset the service timer prematurely. So true enough the service light came on during the trip. It is still on as I did not "stop by to just reset the message".
What about a modified shield around the cat? Try and vent the air under the bike? I am looking hard at buying this bike, socal is very warm at times and the heat issue could kill it for me.
Arrow do an open pipe, 1st thing I would do, ditch that whole exhaust system, like I do with every bike I buy, Arrow downpipes ,random can(what looks best),custom mid-section/hanger, designed for the soft luggage(10min on the laser cutter for a hanger) sort the intake and ECU back to original setting, before they choked it, you'l find out heat isn't an issue... and a better bash plate(S W Motech already make one), lets the air around the pipe better!
Thanks for the informativ video. I m sure all these things would be annoying as well to me. What I also saw when I sit on it was the central nut from the suspension below the handle bar. The hole there is very sharp.
6-11-22. Brought my 2022 Tuareg 660 home from dealer. On the way home, I noticed the motor cutting out or missing like you mentioned. 1/2 hour ride home from dealer. I was wondering if I was imaging it. I never had a bike to that before. The next day, I noticed after idling just one minute, a hissing sound from the gas cap. There maybe a fuel venting issue. I will have to bring it up to the dealer. Have you had a fuel cap venting issue?
Great video Doug. Very interesting to hear the about what's not working as well as you want. Is there a bike that does not feel warm in FL traffic? I would not usually say my bike is hot, but I feel it when in South Florida. - Frank
I don't understand why they made the catalytic converter so big and place it to the side. On the T7 you don't even see it. And you're not the first one to bring up the heat issue that comes from it.
I believe the black wheels have the same rough surface. Black will hide the tar and oil marks better but I am old school and like silver wheels. Thanks for watching.
The most annoying issue is the service light reset. It's a collude among manufacturers and dealers. What they expect a rider to do middle of nowhere ? Carry a satetille receiver and computer ? It's for urban community within a hundred km proximity from dealer ?
That service wrench makes me not want to buy this bike now. I am a pro mechanic and can't be dealing with specific scanners to service MY own bike! Unless there is a service connector that can be plugged in like Hondas.
I look at bikes and see what i'd changed/add; Full exhaust, de-cat Arrow downpipes Dakar style can placement(lower) Bin pillion pegs(new exhaust hanger for the can). Renthal Fatbars 601's Cycra guards...or Hepco Becker Rack on the rear Performance air filter Oxford heated grips(sports). GPS mount Small screen...steel, if S-Moto start making them? Bin the mirrors S W Motech sump guard/bashplate Side crash bars/luggage mounts H'lamp guard So quite an expensive bike in the end, and as Aprilia can't sell them due to the 660cc launch fiasco(dodgy con rods), they're cheaper than Tenere 700's here already(Yamaha have currently sold 50 times more T700's than Tauregs from Aprilia... might see if someone will swap my rare Tracer7 for one(none in stock here, my one is the one one on the road)? A gamble, hoping that Aprilia have sorted the motors, con rods gaskets and seals?
David, I rode a T7 and was very impressed with it, ergos and lightness. However the lack of electronic nags was a turn-off for me. I have learned to like ABS, TCS, and engine management and being able to adjust them. And as silly as this seems, the T7 dash totally turned me off. The T7 was never on my radar. The Tuareg checks almost all of my boxes and I am willing to live with it being Italian. If Honda had a mid-sized Africa, I would be all over it. Thanks for watching.
Thank you!! Most videos have been very positive about this bike, nice to see some " gotchas seems' they all have them ? IT'S what ever can you live with. In the meantime think I'll hang onto my trust old Gen 1 "cockroach" KLR. 😎
This is a great bike but it does have a few flaws. Good to know ahead of time what you're in for. The KLR is great too, with its own set of issues... Whatever you ride, have a good time!
#3 is #1 for me. The 'Tuareg cough' as I call it is becoming really annoying and is gaining traction in the forums. Unfortunately, I am starting to get a creeping regret in buying this bike. I hope Aprilia fix this ASAP. Totally agree with #12, wheels look great but nightmare to clean.
I’m looking into one of these and I’m glad I saw this video and your comment. Instant flashback to my KTM 790 experience with the same issues! New bikes =too lean, too hot, annoying dead spots in the rev range. I could always re-create the “miss” or hesitation on my 790 whenever I wanted to. I ended up selling and going backwards to an 05 950 adventure. Carbs for the win! Smooth as silk, snappy, perfect. I wish the emissions crap didn’t mute these newer bikes so much, incredibly annoying to spend that kind of $$ and have it always feel like it’s in desperate need of a tune up 😂
Service wrench light is a BIG mistake.. continuous agravating thing from Aprilia. Cruise light shouldn't be blinking at least. Brake notes are fixable: front with different pads, this is a well known method and murky fluid indicates water in it, which is common to all brake fluids, i.e. absorb water, so just change it more often, is better. Carburetion hesitations maybe a byproduct of the Euro regulations on lean-lean at all costs. Heat pad material could be tried all thru length of exhaust Cat cover, maybe will help rejecting heat. My 2 cents.
@@AmenMoto one more thing: before replacing brake fluids ride over gravel or loose terrain so to make the ABS pumps active (front and rear) on hard braking, this will circulate some stagnant fluid that seats in the pumps and your fresh fluid will be less 'contaminated' and will live longer productive life. This may not seem important, but when you go to altitude your fluid boiling point will be much higher... so the fresher the better.
You deserve a bike without these deal breaking issues. I will swing by the bank on my way down Saturday. What will it take to save you from the Tuareg? 😁 - Frank
Film a vid with your phone giving a walkaround of your new Aprilia, then send me the footage so I can put up a review. Or send it to Jesse, maybe he'd like it... either of us actually, well you know what I mean! :)
@@AmenMoto I'm not very good at getting full videos to fly through the internet and reach their correct destination. ☹️ we are getting the 600 mi service this coming Saturday, I was thinking after that to let Jesse do a walk around and short test on it as long as he promises not to wheelie it all over the place.😆 Would you be interested in doing a ride also? I'm sure I can trust you not to wheelie it too much.
Don't like that it requires Hi-Octane fuel, is hard to find in remote riding locations, and $$. Poor placement of muffler for off-road, going to get beat up, possible bending of the frame, difficult to work with rackless soft bags.
I heard about the clutch lever being too tight from the factory. Freeplay is good on mine but I will ask to check it when it goes in for service this week. Thanks for watching.
Emir. I paid MSRP. I ordered early and got the first one in Miami so I did not get any discounts nor did I expect to. All in all, still worth it. Thanks for watching.
@@sofloemir a recent year used 850 (standard not gsa) is likely to still cost more than this. additionally the 660 is about 450 lbs and the gs is 520 lbs. the 850 (standard - not lowered) is quite high and rather top heavy. so those are some slow speed/maneuverability points. However, for the 850, once in motion, one can routinely do 80 mph for extended periods on highways in a really planted manner. there is naturally quite a bit of power difference. One other things is it does become quite hot in summer - but the heat is otherwise barely noticeable. All these plus the usual differentiation in dealer networks. the 750 i test rode- and while it is significantly less tall than the 850, and really accessible, i didn't find the power sufficiently engaging. One other thing to check in whether the new M chain can be retrofitted to gently used prior year models. those can certainly be installed on new 2023 models.
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1. Heat - not really an issue IMO, but may be to some. I don't feel like it's exponentially hotter than some other bikes I've had where people make no mention of heat. It is warm though, and this may be a bigger or smaller concern contingent on where the rider lives.
2. Wind noise is definitely an issue for taller folks. Laminar flow is your friend. That cheapy wind deflector you put in place is liable to snap at some point at the connecting arms - mine did. I rebuilt it using the deflector and RAM Mounts.
3. Fixed. Go to your dealer and have the ECU flashed to the latest update (I haven't ever experienced it myself, I must be one of the lucky ones despite getting mine in the US the first few days it hit the market.)
4. & 5. Respectfully, I'm gonna chalk this up to the rider and not the bike. The brakes are phenomenal, and very easily modulated. Yes, they bite hard, but that bite can be increased/decreased quite easily based on how hard you pull the lever. I ride my 660 almost entirely in the dirt and have yet to have the front end wash because the brakes "bite" too hard." As for the fluid - not sure about that as I haven't heard of anyone else having this issue either. Cloudy indicates contamination, possibly from moisture. Was the bike left out in the rain for a prolonged period? Either way that shouldn't happen - so that's strange.
6. I think your concern about bending the frame/damaging the bike with the pegs is a bit dramatic. I agree they're a bit close to the front pegs (size 12 boot here.) but not so close that they "get in the way." I ride quite aggressively (it's not unheard of for me to crack triple digits on trails - that's mph not km/h) and have never found myself in a position thinking "Wow, these almost caused me to kill myself on the bike." Having dropped the bike a handful of times in pretty nasty terrain, that's not what ends up getting bent. The gear selector, brake pedal, and sidestand bracket are all the vulnerable/bendy bits that you find get damaged in drops.
7. This is another one that comes down to preference. A wider peg is one that is going to hit the ground sooner when leaning the bike. IMO these are some of the best OE pegs I've experienced, and since the rubbers are hollow, you can still get good grip on the pegs even with the rubber inserts left in. They were very well thought out.
8. I'm inclined to agree here, although I think people mention this far too often. I don't find it distracting personally - and since the ABS is quite simple to turn off when you're not actively using it, this isn't really something that's been a niggle of mine.
9. Agreed. Unfortunately, a number of manufacturers do this. There are things we as consumers can purchase to sort it, but with a hefty price tag (380-450 range) which begs the question of whether it's worth it. If you intend on putting more than 30,000 miles on the bike and servicing it yourself, then it probably is - as that's how long it'll take to offset the costs.
10. Another personal preference thing. I find the TFT extremely legible, and I've not heard a single other person complain of this.
11. Having spoken to a number of people involved in the launch of this bike, they are indeed intended to be handholds to move the bike around - not as pillion handholds.
12. Finish isn't really a problem with the wheels - spokes that loosen up far easier than any other bike I've been on however - that's something worth discussing. I find that I'm constantly checking/tightening spokes on this bike, the front wheel in particular.
On the whole, the Tuareg is unquestionably the most well rounded, best bike I've ever ridden, let alone had the privilege of owning. It may not be for everyone, but for me it's as close as we've ever come to the proverbial "unicorn."
BooBear, thanks for the response. I think I need to do another video now that I have more time on the bike. I totally agree with you with the Tuareg being the most well rounded bike. I find that I like it the more I ride it and I just discovered the magic of turning off ATC in Offroad mode. Totally different bike. Thanks again for watching. Doug
I'm in the same boat. The more I ride it, the more I fall in love.
That said and as I'm sure you well know, no bike is perfect and I do appreciate your objective criticism of it - and all of your niggles are things that may or may not be an issue for some, and as such they're all worth mentioning. Just the same, the things I may be quick to pick at are things you may roll your eyes at - and that's the beauty of platforms like this!
The chassis on this bike is just plainly amazing though - Aprilia clearly had a goal in mind and they achieved it and so much more. Definitely looking forward to more of your content on it!
As someone who is seriously looking at one of these it's nice to hear a quick breakdown of things that would be nice to be addressed.
I just started the video. You know, you are pointing out a major problem with all motorcycles. It's not clear why motorcycles do not have full size windshields. I have two motorcycles, and both have full fairings and windshields, and the windshields are so low that they are really just for racing only, and useless on actual road trips. The only solution I've found is memory foam ear plugs. You basically can't ride at all without ear plugs. Also, switching to a non-hinged helmet. The helmets with a hinged jaw, are about twice as loud as sealed one piece helmets. Also, new helmets with a gasketed seal, and no sharp protruding edges around the visor hinges, don't have the whistling sound from wind. If all motorcycles were sold with an overdrive 6th gear, and a full size windshield, it would solve the problem with all motorcycles, which is wind noise, and too low of gears for highway driving.
Great thoughts. Have you found a windscreen that serves your purposes well? If so we'd love to hear what you're using.
The search continues...
Really good to see a video about this bike featuring 'gripes'. I would like to purchase one but have been waiting for a video like this to consider the other side of the coin. Thanks.
I appreciate the critiques, because the bike has had a pretty crazily positive reception. I’ve heard a couple of the critiques from others (engine heat and stupid cruise enabled light), but you really have a good list. Good to know because I’m toying with the idea of trading out my ‘17 GSA for one of these to get a lighter package. Hopefully some issues will have fixes down the line.
Oh, and re heat: I have a 2019 Indian FTR, so I can relate to HEAT! Let’s just put it this way: that bike is comfy in the winter - I can warm my hands over the engine.
I think your gripes are legit! I am 60 and my car has a beautiful LED screen with big fonts! For me that's important! Maybe manufacturers should think that people above the age of 40 need slight differences. Or maybe I need better glasses!!!
Interesting to come across your video! Had my first Tuareg encounter and test ride last week. Being 6"3 I found the wind screen surprisingly good. Few stock solutions works as well as this one did for me. Was thoroughly impressed with the bike, on gravel and dirt it was really good. Still spring in Scandinavia so didn't notice heat issues. Didn't notice any issues with the braking either. Will keep your points in mind when I do a second test! Cheers :)
That's great info Knut, thanks for sharing. And let us know if you end up buying!
I think all high compression, liquid cooled multi cylinder bikes produce a ton of heat. I've always enjoyed the heat. I ride at night in the summer on my 2008 Hayabusa and ZZR600 bikes, and the entire gas tank, and the frame is super hot from the engine, and you can feel roasting engine heat coming up towards you every time you pull up to a stop light. I don't think there is any way to get away from the heat, since you're sitting on top of the engine, literally. I've not ridden a Tuareg, and maybe it has a unique radiator problem, but I suspect that all bikes produce a substantial amount of heat when you're in stop and go traffic or slow trails.
Nice to see honesty about such things on bike reviews...
I have a Tuareg I have done 4,500 km city and offroad.
It's the perfect 50/50. For me it is the perfect bike.
The electronics work great. It goes very well in the city and in offroad it goes very well, the weight is very well distributed.
It is a very good motorcycle. The heat is the least...
Things to improve would be the gear change that goes a bit hard but you get used to it and sometimes it cuts the gas when you go slowly, everything else a 10.
Do you think the shifting will soften up over time?
@@AmenMoto you get used to it, but I hope it does soften.
I agree with all your points! Still love my bike though…as you do Sir! Better than my previous T7 which didn’t have the same involvement as this one does. Thanks for these vids.
The T7 is excellent, but very bare bones. The Tuareg is a lot more refined and has all the toys... er, I mean electronics. Both are great! Enjoy & ride in good health, Duncan.
It makes so sad ,I can only read the reviews ,cant afford to buy these great bikes ,but there are so many silly complaints ,please just enjoy your bikes ,you are so fortunate to be able to buy such a great bike
i feel ya, i understand both sides. but human 'wants' never ends. theres always something to improve and nothing wrong with that.
people need to complain, thats how improvement can be done. id even say people dont complain enough in general with current situation in the world and we have too much of "eh, it is what it is" ;
Thanks , very clear and informative. I 'd like you to tell us what are the 12 good things you enjoy on your bike, as you concluded your vid as happy with it.
Very good idea, we will work on that! Thanks for the comment.
Super informative. Thanks for sharing your 12 gripes! I'm on the fence on the bike but the reviews I've seen make it a very alluring adv bike!
Glad it was helpful!
Very good video, it's good to hear these things as I narrow my search down for a new bike.
I own the Taureg and I moved on from an Africa Twin Adventure Sports ES to get it. The heat issue isn’t bad but I also come from the Harley world. You don’t know heat until you know Harley. The MAP stutter and blinking CC light are both issues that could be resolved with a firmware update I think.
I haven’t noticed a big issue with the brakes other than the rear being a bit wooden. I’ll try a softer pad when it’s time to change them out.
If you want pannier racks you won’t be getting rid of the passenger peg mounts. The OEM and aftermarket units use them for mounting points.
I like the peg size. U.S size 11 Timberland steel toes. After adjusting the shift and brake levers, all is good. I can ride for miles standing up. I don’t ride off -road but the guys I know that do are impressed with the stock peg.
The windscreen? I’ve yet to have a screen that I didn’t replace. I have the Puig touring screen on order right now. I did install Aprilia touring windscreen. It’s wider but only a half inch taller. It did nothing to help.
Also, on Adventure rider forum some folks having coolant and oil leaking issues due to gasket failures. This seems like it could be an issue.
zyons thank you so much for taking the time to type all this up
Good point on amount of heat being relative
I think the plan for bags is rackless bags like the Mosko ones.
I think the big key to standing on pegs long term is a boot with a good steel shank.
I learned that from Maryland Moto.
Thanks for the tip on the gaskets.
Look for dug89 on ADVRider.
Really well done. Very well thought out and helpful. Thank you.
Good information for all perspective Tuareg owners. Know ahead of time what you will need to fix and factor that in to your service/ownership costs.
Hi. I own a red one also, less than 1.000 kms done and ready for the first service. Another issue I would add, is that using gloves while riding, easily and accidentally you can turn on the small lever on the left bar, activating the highbeam headlights, wich you can see on dashboard identified by the blue icon on the left side. Forgive me if my English is not perfect , being rusty and Italian. Bye!
Buongiorno Silvio, I lived in Naples for five years, I love your country
Good point on the high beam lever! Seen that happen too
Thank you for your comment
Just finished my first day on mine and the high beam switch is definitely the biggest annoyance so far!
@@foysterrots8398the horn is also too close to the indicator!
Def agree with the neutral throttle issue. It is something I want sorted. I've not found heat an issue, but am in the UK. Same with the brakes, mine seem great!
I have ditched my pillion pegs... they are very in the way if on a rutted trail and will poss cause an injury, so yup... they gone! :-)
With some of the trails I've ridden, I'd not want a wider footpeg, ruts will be an issue, so for me, I like the std pegs.
The Aprilia rack has great handles!
Really good and interesting video. The bike is amazing, but no bike is perfect.
I really wish it came with a proper sump guard and hand guards.
Hippo-Drones, I have an Aprilia rack on order. Pricey but I like how it looks. I would like to create or purchase brackets that replace the pillion peg brackets with a new bracket that can be used to tie rackless panniers to and protect the bags from the exhaust. Thanks for watching.
The sump guard looked better than I expected on the bike I looked at in the showroom. Not thick, but also not quite a toy. Am I being too forgiving?
@@mike.thomas From the dented stock sump guards I have seen on the various Facebook groups, the stock sump guard should be the first mod anyone does to their Tuareg if taking it onto the dirt. I can't wait for mine to arrive as it really puts me off taking the bike on a trail again until I have some proper protection fitted. What is fitted as stock is plenty fine if road riding, and looks nice. It will stop small stones on a gravel road, but not much else.
@@HippoDrones Ahh, OK. I just put a heavy-duty one on my DRZ400s, and the Aprilia’s didn’t seem *too* far away from that (though the Aprilia’s seems to be in two or three pieces?). I stand corrected.
@@mike.thomas The last thing you want to happen is have a rock push through it and damage the oil filter 🙂
Brilliant review! Thanks for all your comments. Great plumeria in the landscape. Aloha
I took a demo ride on one last week and noticed two things that set me back, one was the heat on the right hand side as you mentioned...livable, but very hot nonetheless. The bigger issue for me was the gear box. It is definitely a close ratio box, not a wide or semi-wide ratio, such that at 75mph the bike was tacking almost 6,000 rpm. That's pretty high revving/tiring if you're trying to do any touring to and from a ride such as a BDR. I might be able to get used to it, but other ADV bikes seem to spread the ratios far better in gears 4-6. Otherwise, the light weight, tubeless rims, placement of the gas tank and air filter, etc is very well thought out, and the engine, power and suspension felt great.
Great points Tim, thanks for mentioning that.
Hahaha....man you have no idea what are you talking....buy 🚜....
It's true, they destroyed the bike, it's not a touring bike or cross country ADV bike, it's really a dirtbike. With the gear ratios being that low, it means you can't take it on long trips, unless you've never worked on an engine and you don't know how an engine works. I say this respectfully, not to be insulting. But only a person who has no understanding of the amount of stresses on an engine at 6,000 rpms would be happy with gear ratios that low on the highway. The engine wear rises exponentially with engine RPM's, so at 6,000 rpms, you're doing 3 times as much engine wear as you would at 3,000 rpms. It needs to be said that ALL motorcycles sold have the wrong gear ratios. The Tiger series, even the Africa Twin 1000 apparently turns about 5,000 rpms at 70mph and is not comfortable on the highway because the gearing is so short. The new 1100 Africa Twin is geared a bit better, but not good enough. I'm hopeful that the Honda Transalp isn't geared super low, there has to be at least ONE good highway bike among the dozens of ADV for sale.
@@Ritalie i dont remember exact rpms but my 2018 AT dct you can comfortably cruise at 120-140kph, engine is super smooth and doesnt feel stressed at all
All new bikes run very lean, which makes them run hotter. You can try getting them re-tuned to improve the air-fuel ratio. The fuel economy might go down ever so slightly but you might also get 1-2 extra HP and more fuel should mean it runs a bit cooler.
Nonsense....
I did a full dominator hp6 exhaust de-cat and unfortunately it still runs hot. Removing the cat might reduce it 20-30% not much more...it's hot and I love her.
thorough review and some of these gripes are valid [most*] I have yet to purchase but it is great going in with that info in mind. What do you think of adding a replacement 17 tooth front sprocket instead of the 15 tooth?? It would tame some vibration when at speed on the roadway.
I’ve got one and agree with these. The flashing cc light is super annoying. Cheers.
apparently there is a sequence to have it estady and not blinking, which means that is not completely set up.there is a way of making it stay fix (I saw it in some other video, maybe in the manual)
You can use a obd link to check the codes and reset the service reminder. BMW does the same thing.
I can confirm the heat. Really uncomfortable. Thank you for your video.
These are all things that I also found on my Tuareg, the heat annoys a lot if you are not wearing technical pants, engine and chassis are at the top
What kind of technical pants?
@@johnboy3100 Normal motorcycle pants are fine, with jeans the legs are very hot
I think we've got stricter emission laws to thank for items 1 & 3. Hot radiator and cat is due to excessively lean mixture making the bike run hot and the missing on neutral throttle is due to the overly frugal fuel mapping cutting the fuel too agressively when the engine is not under load. A more sensible custom mapping should fix both.
That makes sense! Thanks for explaining. I bet you're right.
Cat would be too hot regardless of mixture (hotter if too rich). Mostly bad placement. Definitely better throttle map for sure for off/on throttle rideability.
In Maine or Canada or North Dakota and Minnesota that Hot right Foot might be appreciated very much in the cold 🥶❄️
Very true!
But this bike is made in Italy and not in Sweden.
Thanks for the video. I am looking at this bike as a BDR kind of bike would need to ride on the road a couple hours to get to the trails. I live in Maine so the heat issue my be more of a plus than a minus; I am curious where you had the bike as it looks almost tropical in the background or maybe it is just nice lanscaping on a sunny day. Thanks, again.
Hi Declan, we're in South Florida :) Gets real dang hot here.
Regarding the wind noise, your windshield spoiler is way too low. I had the same problem on my 2017 BMW R1200 GSA. At 6’3” tall with the windshield in the best possible position, the wind was smacking me in the face all the time. I added the MRA X-creen spoiler (small one, two sizes available) and it made a huge difference. Zero turbulence felt at face level now. The wind goes right over the top of my head. Set yours in a higher position.
I was thinking the same about position of this wind deflector.
The Heat Issue and the Service Light having to go to the dealer to be reset are Deal Breakers for me.
The heat was HOT today!
Our friend has an Aprilia Tuono, and he took it to the dealer for his 1st scheduled service, got it back home (250 mile round trip) and the dealer DIDN'T RESET THE STUPID SERVICE LIGHT on the dash.
He was pissed. All that and the guy left the service light turned on. Unacceptable.
Thanks for watching & Thanks for your comment
#3 & #8 is Software update. 👌
Is there update on fixes you made ?
Yeah we need to do an update video.
All this stuff I'd consider very minor... but still, I'm very glad you made that video as it completes the whole picture of the bike. Cheers :)
We need to do an update now we’ve got tens of thousands of miles on it.
Really substantive, this has helped. Thank you.
for #11, could the grab handles be designed for lifting the bike on the center stand when equipped? Thats what I thought of first thing.
Have heard that the cloudy oil was from a crappy oem air filter. Dust & fine particles get through especially when riding offroad, the crap gets through the filter, intake & engine. Contaminating the oil & increases the wear on the engine.. Major problem.. Easy fix..From what Another owner reviewer has stated.. Thinking about buying one so researching I am doing.
Awesome and entertaining video. I too have a new Tuareg and have experienced most all your gripes. The engine miss at 3000 rmps while cruising is annoying and to me I believe the bike runs lean. I describe the feeling as a chug or a stutter while maintaining a steady 50-60 mph. I’m hoping for a new map to come out by Aprilla. Running lean could also cause some of the heat issues although I believe the heat is mostly due to the cat. Otherwise great bike and kind of unique, and a value for dollar. I paid $250 under sticker with the usual freight and reasonable prep.
With everyone complaining about the music, your post is a breath of fresh air! :D Thanks for the comment.
Hopefully a firmware update can fix the chugging engine.
Keep in touch!
@@AmenMoto will do - did another 160 miles today. Really enjoying this bike. Can you tell me the model of you Nelson Rigg. Tail bag.
Hello, how many liters does your tank fit? My Tuareg 660 model 2022 doesn't fit more than 15.6 liters. I ran the tank completely empty and then filled it up.
Heat can be fixed with catalytic replacement with a re generator and different exhaust.
Wind noise is subjective to each person, I'm 5'6" and have no wind problem even with my off-road helmet
Cant really argue on front brake as i come from a KLR 650 to the Tuareg 660 and they are far better then what I'm use to
Currently hit 950ish miles and brake fluid is fine so far for me.
I don't plan on 2 uping. just remove them and fill the hole with a plastic plug till ya get panniers. Dont need them for panniers
I found stock foot pegs ok, much more breakable on the tips from being thin, also don't like how they only bend 45 degree instead of all the way.
cruise control isnt really a bother. turn indicators automatically turn off on this bike afters many blinks. if you arent using cruise then turn it off problem solved.
agree on the service wrench i think theres something on af1 racing? i know thay have a devic to allow you to play with ecu mapping for aftermarket exhaust and such, maybe it has something to reset wrench
text size is subjective, all i can say is wear glasses or contacts
I agree on the rear handles, wish they added a tail rack or handle bars back there. i dropped in the woods and its hard finding a spot to maneuver the bike back there
wheels is a subjective thing not really a problem.
i also would buy the bike again easily 10 times over, but as its out longer im sure more and more aftermarket will come to it to fix any issues.
Content is ok, but get rid of the awful music.
nothing wrong with it imo
@@livinagoodlife🤘😃🤘
The service light would be a real pain for me since I live a couple hours away from a dealer. It would probably just never get reset.
I wonder if you can reset it with an obd2?
You should ride around with all the post it notes
Great Video, What Sat Nav are you using above the display?
Garmin Zumo XT!
The user manual is almost unreadable for those of us with old eyes. I picked up my 660 yesterday so I haven't yet fully experienced the heat issue - weather is crappy. I saw a TH-cam video where a gentleman opened the fake vents. I'll consider that at some point if the heat in August gets bad. Thank you for this video. I still like the bike but appreciate your insight.
Michael, I saw OCD Moto's video too. Opening the "gills" did little to help the heat. I am convinced the heat issue is caused by the catalytic converter which is something we cannot legally change. Arrow has a "racing" exhaust that deletes the cat. I would think the bike wound need a re-tune after installing that as it would run more lean. All that said, I guess I need to just put up with it. Thanks for watching.
@@dug_c Doug, thanks for your videos. Really helped when deciding to purchase the bike. Look forward to watching more content in the future.
Nice video. Weird white frames flashed a few times.. maybe an editing error between clips or something?
I was intrigued that heat is a problem 'when stuck in traffic', surely the whole point of motorbikes is you don't get stuck in traffic! Then I remembered in the US you generally can't filter (lane split?) like we can legally in the UK
We get stuck in traffic on the way to places where there is no traffic ... :D and yep we can't filter :(
@@AmenMoto it must be very frustrating. Having suffered from the heat from a KTM 1090 Adventure, the Tuareg feels positively cool 🤣
Thanks for the gripes. Add those to the dearth of dealers, and my focus now goes back to the tried, tested, and loads of aftermarket stuff of the ‘22 T7. Just sooo hard to find one.
Have you looked at the Norden 901?
@@AmenMoto Thinking 🤔. +40% in price gives me a bit of pause. But there are a lot of premium pluses for the added bucks. Thx again.
Thanks! Appreciate the insight into the bike. Not deal breakers for me, but good to know. I have one on order. For me the slightly lower seat height and lower center of gravity than the T7 are what guided my decision. I also like that the Aprilia seems to be a little more performance oriented too. I’m curious if the gas cap is similar to the T7’s where it completely comes off to refill it?
Congrats on your new order!
David G, the gas cap completely removes when you fill the tank, no hinged cap/lid. You cannot remove the key with the cap unlocked so the key stays with the cap when it is off. Thanks for watching.
Dug says, '...As I do on all my bikes..." LOL
#2: Wind noise. Yea going past 80km/h vibrations in the helmet become very noticeable and past 120 km/h my helmet indeed tries to shake my head off.
#9 Service light: Annoying. I did the first service early because I had trip planned. When I picked it up from the garage, they told me they were not able to reset the service timer prematurely. So true enough the service light came on during the trip. It is still on as I did not "stop by to just reset the message".
What about a modified shield around the cat? Try and vent the air under the bike? I am looking hard at buying this bike, socal is very warm at times and the heat issue could kill it for me.
Arrow do an open pipe, 1st thing I would do, ditch that whole exhaust system, like I do with every bike I buy, Arrow downpipes ,random can(what looks best),custom mid-section/hanger, designed for the soft luggage(10min on the laser cutter for a hanger) sort the intake and ECU back to original setting, before they choked it, you'l find out heat isn't an issue... and a better bash plate(S W Motech already make one), lets the air around the pipe better!
Can you tell me exactly what Nelson Rigg tail bag that is please
Nelson Rigg CL-1060-R Black Commuter Lite Motorcycle Tail Bag. Available at Revzilla and Amazon. Great tail bag. I move it form bike to bike.
@@dug_c thank you sir
Very informative, thanks !
I was debating on triumph or Aprilia thanks with your video I made my choice.
This is way better than getting a KTM 790 and having your clutch go out or your cams grind themselves into oblivion.
I too noticed that my foot kept hitting something on my demo ride. Now I know what to fix, now that I own one.
Congrats!!!
Thanks for the informativ video. I m sure all these things would be annoying as well to me. What I also saw when I sit on it was the central nut from the suspension below the handle bar. The hole there is very sharp.
I need a instruction on how to engage the cruise control
Love the bike, but all your points are valid. The hickups are the worst, and for me not complete gone either.
got idea for CC light. Put tape on it 😂 i think i would. unless in the same spot some other warning can show ;
6-11-22. Brought my 2022 Tuareg 660 home from dealer. On the way home, I noticed the motor cutting out or missing like you mentioned. 1/2 hour ride home from dealer. I was wondering if I was imaging it.
I never had a bike to that before.
The next day, I noticed after idling just one minute, a hissing sound from the gas cap. There maybe a fuel venting issue. I will have to bring it up to the dealer.
Have you had a fuel cap venting issue?
I did at first but I don't notice it now. Best not to fill it to the brim when refuelling.
The engine missing just off idle has stopped. Sorry to post the complaint. It resolved itself.
Great video Doug. Very interesting to hear the about what's not working as well as you want.
Is there a bike that does not feel warm in FL traffic? I would not usually say my bike is hot, but I feel it when in South Florida. - Frank
Relatively speaking, the Bonneville doesn't heat up your legs. Yes, the sun does... but the bike doesn't.
Cheers Frank!
I would add the BMW R1200GS to that list.
Thanks for putting me off it, I'll stick with my capo
I don't understand why they made the catalytic converter so big and place it to the side. On the T7 you don't even see it. And you're not the first one to bring up the heat issue that comes from it.
i’ve had issues with the clutch handle triggering rev spikes when pressed . super wierd didnt get any miss while riding tho
Curious on the engine miss. Fixed or still do it on occasion?
No change.
Great video!
Wonder if the black rims from the other colors will have the same finish.
I believe the black wheels have the same rough surface. Black will hide the tar and oil marks better but I am old school and like silver wheels. Thanks for watching.
The most annoying issue is the service light reset. It's a collude among manufacturers and dealers. What they expect a rider to do middle of nowhere ? Carry a satetille receiver and computer ? It's for urban community within a hundred km proximity from dealer ?
That service wrench makes me not want to buy this bike now. I am a pro mechanic and can't be dealing with specific scanners to service MY own bike! Unless there is a service connector that can be plugged in like Hondas.
It's past time for a Turag update! - Frank
All niggles that can be fixed. Remember, it is a first iteration. This time round the Tuareg is a winner, second iteration should be stupendous.
I look at bikes and see what i'd changed/add;
Full exhaust, de-cat Arrow downpipes
Dakar style can placement(lower)
Bin pillion pegs(new exhaust hanger for the can).
Renthal Fatbars 601's
Cycra guards...or Hepco Becker
Rack on the rear
Performance air filter
Oxford heated grips(sports).
GPS mount
Small screen...steel, if S-Moto start making them?
Bin the mirrors
S W Motech sump guard/bashplate
Side crash bars/luggage mounts
H'lamp guard
So quite an expensive bike in the end, and as Aprilia can't sell them due to the 660cc launch fiasco(dodgy con rods), they're cheaper than Tenere 700's here already(Yamaha have currently sold 50 times more T700's than Tauregs from Aprilia... might see if someone will swap my rare Tracer7 for one(none in stock here, my one is the one one on the road)? A gamble, hoping that Aprilia have sorted the motors, con rods gaskets and seals?
Relating to the windscreen comment… just curious how tall you are (vs issue your experiencing)?
I am 5' 10". I think the wind issue is solvable with a new windscreen. I am waiting for the aftermarket to catch up. Thanks for watching.
thanks for the info
I understand the Tuareg has more features than the T7. Did you consider the t7 over this machine? And if yes, why did you go for a Tuareg?
David, I rode a T7 and was very impressed with it, ergos and lightness. However the lack of electronic nags was a turn-off for me. I have learned to like ABS, TCS, and engine management and being able to adjust them. And as silly as this seems, the T7 dash totally turned me off. The T7 was never on my radar. The Tuareg checks almost all of my boxes and I am willing to live with it being Italian. If Honda had a mid-sized Africa, I would be all over it. Thanks for watching.
@@dug_c Fair enough! Yamaha make good bikes, but I feel they do not respect, enough, consumer preferences, and needs.
@@dug_c Also, Honda don't listen to prospective customers either. Where is the much needed baby Africa Twin. 500cc twin??
Thank you!! Most videos have been very positive about this bike, nice to see some " gotchas seems' they all have them ? IT'S what ever can you live with. In the meantime think I'll hang onto my trust old Gen 1 "cockroach" KLR. 😎
This is a great bike but it does have a few flaws. Good to know ahead of time what you're in for.
The KLR is great too, with its own set of issues...
Whatever you ride, have a good time!
#3 is #1 for me. The 'Tuareg cough' as I call it is becoming really annoying and is gaining traction in the forums. Unfortunately, I am starting to get a creeping regret in buying this bike. I hope Aprilia fix this ASAP. Totally agree with #12, wheels look great but nightmare to clean.
Thank you for this great feedback.
I’m looking into one of these and I’m glad I saw this video and your comment. Instant flashback to my KTM 790 experience with the same issues! New bikes =too lean, too hot, annoying dead spots in the rev range. I could always re-create the “miss” or hesitation on my 790 whenever I wanted to. I ended up selling and going backwards to an 05 950 adventure. Carbs for the win! Smooth as silk, snappy, perfect. I wish the emissions crap didn’t mute these newer bikes so much, incredibly annoying to spend that kind of $$ and have it always feel like it’s in desperate need of a tune up 😂
The only thing that really bothers me about the Tuareg 660 is the heat on my legs, I hope there will be a solution for that
The heat is shooting out between the frame rails and the gas tank And that little plastic side cover ...cover them up with something.
Why the fairing vents are fake, surprising
Service wrench light is a BIG mistake.. continuous agravating thing from Aprilia. Cruise light shouldn't be blinking at least. Brake notes are fixable: front with different pads, this is a well known method and murky fluid indicates water in it, which is common to all brake fluids, i.e. absorb water, so just change it more often, is better. Carburetion hesitations maybe a byproduct of the Euro regulations on lean-lean at all costs. Heat pad material could be tried all thru length of exhaust Cat cover, maybe will help rejecting heat. My 2 cents.
Thanks Claude!
@@AmenMoto one more thing: before replacing brake fluids ride over gravel or loose terrain so to make the ABS pumps active (front and rear) on hard braking, this will circulate some stagnant fluid that seats in the pumps and your fresh fluid will be less 'contaminated' and will live longer productive life. This may not seem important, but when you go to altitude your fluid boiling point will be much higher... so the fresher the better.
Nice Plumaria!
service wrench is a bad one for sure. my closest dealer is Tennessee.
Can’t the Cat be wrapped with heat tape like Harley owners do? Anyone tried this?
It’s a good thought, but I know that Doug won’t do this because he tends to believe that wrapped pipes corrode. They get a bit rusty inside that tape.
You deserve a bike without these deal breaking issues. I will swing by the bank on my way down Saturday. What will it take to save you from the Tuareg? 😁 - Frank
You'll have to swap Doug for the 390 :-D
Well done!
Film a vid with your phone giving a walkaround of your new Aprilia, then send me the footage so I can put up a review. Or send it to Jesse, maybe he'd like it... either of us actually, well you know what I mean! :)
@@AmenMoto I'm not very good at getting full videos to fly through the internet and reach their correct destination. ☹️
we are getting the 600 mi service this coming Saturday, I was thinking after that to let Jesse do a walk around and short test on it as long as he promises not to wheelie it all over the place.😆 Would you be interested in doing a ride also? I'm sure I can trust you not to wheelie it too much.
Northern Italy, in the city the bike gets very hot, like ktm 890, apart from this great bike
Interesting but for me this bike is the better that i hav bought
Take the bike in and have it remapped. They figured out the miss.
Don't like that it requires Hi-Octane fuel, is hard to find in remote riding locations, and $$. Poor placement of muffler for off-road, going to get beat up, possible bending of the frame, difficult to work with rackless soft bags.
How would you expect it to not produce a lot of heat when it’s pushing 80 hp on a twin cylinder 600cc
I used to own V Strom 650 (70HP). Never heat issue.
Another thing would be the 12000 mile valve check intervals compared to 25000 on the T7.
adjust the clutch lever and the problem with the engine speed will disappear :)
Do you mean the engine hiccup at around 3000 RPM? I don't see how the clutch would affect that.
I heard about the clutch lever being too tight from the factory. Freeplay is good on mine but I will ask to check it when it goes in for service this week. Thanks for watching.
13 the headlight is ugliest headlight ever
what's the idea of the music? jhc.
That was just for you.
#13 its not a Tenere
LOL true
Te si un luame 👍
how much did you pay if you don't mind me asking?
Emir. I paid MSRP. I ordered early and got the first one in Miami so I did not get any discounts nor did I expect to. All in all, still worth it. Thanks for watching.
I also paid MSRP in Seattle. Appreciated no mark-ups given the demand for ADV bikes currently.
I'm glad it's MSRP. I'm trying to decide between this and a slightly used BMW 750 or the 850.
@@sofloemir a recent year used 850 (standard not gsa) is likely to still cost more than this. additionally the 660 is about 450 lbs and the gs is 520 lbs. the 850 (standard - not lowered) is quite high and rather top heavy. so those are some slow speed/maneuverability points. However, for the 850, once in motion, one can routinely do 80 mph for extended periods on highways in a really planted manner. there is naturally quite a bit of power difference. One other things is it does become quite hot in summer - but the heat is otherwise barely noticeable. All these plus the usual differentiation in dealer networks. the 750 i test rode- and while it is significantly less tall than the 850, and really accessible, i didn't find the power sufficiently engaging. One other thing to check in whether the new M chain can be retrofitted to gently used prior year models. those can certainly be installed on new 2023 models.
Requires premium fuel