UNCUT: Lemhi Idaho Sheriff opens up about DeOrr Kunz missing child case
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- In this unedited interview, Lemhi County Idaho Sheriff Lynn Bowerman answers questions about the disappearance of missing Idaho Falls toddler DeOrr Kunz Jr. He talks about the case, the FBI's involvement, and what happens from here.
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I wonder if Deorr ever went to the park. Just because the parents reported him missing in the park does not mean the baby was taken to the park.
5+ weeks since he has been missing and the Sheriff does not believe the store has a surveillance system. Would you not know for sure, seems that would be important part of the investigation!
punknhead23 Absolutely! We still do not have conclusive evidence of DeOrr ever making it there. A receipt does not prove anything other than someone using a card at the store.
Robert Hays My point (and the point of many others following this investigation) is that other than the 4 adults that were present at the campsite, we’ve yet to hear from a separate witness who could place little DeOrr at the alleged location of the disappearance. What we’re all dying to know is the timeline of events on the day before the disappearance. Wednesday July 8th and Thursday July 9th ought to be under an atomic microscope. When asked about the last time they saw little DeOrr, each of the 4 individuals is vague at best! Remember that two separate Private Investigators concluded that the 4 adults involved were not fully honest with them and were holding back information.
I thought the same thing: you havent checked to be sure??!!
I think the cops are simply too lazy to watch through it. They are desensitized to crime and so try to avoid getting footage as much as possible. This happened near my place where a pedestrian was hit by a car. I was a witness and while I was in the police car telling the cops what I saw the other cop came back and announced that there weren't any cameras anywhere. I said "Yes there are. There's a daycare right there and they have cameras and there's the sports stadium right there and that definitely has cameras, not to mention all the store in the area." She just sort of sat there for a second then opened the door with a sigh to go look for the cameras. Cops are lazy. But my witness statement was being taped so she had to go look again. lol
D Bennett could have been Bigfoot is humanoid!!!
I’ve watched a lot of stories about this and the narrative surrounding the moment the kid “went missing” seems very strange. If you’re asked to watch a kid and it disappears you just assume he is ok? You don’t make sure he is not going to get hurt? The parents are a distance away. Did he expect the child to walk there alone? All 4 of these people sound like shitty babysitters. Their stories don’t sound playable. He’s here one moment and gone the next. And no foot steps or cries to go by?
Strange thing is not a single person has seen the kid at the campsite. No one at the store or in the vehicle or gas station. Only the 4 people. One an old senile person who could probably barely see or barely have a mind. Then a mentally challenged guy. Then 2 parents who has lived about absolutely every single thing. They said gas station guy was playing with the kid yet he said he saw no kid only an empty seat. They said he was in store yet no one saw him in the store. They said the beer vendor was talking to the kid and showed him the big truck. Beer vendor guy said he never saw a kid and he parks in the back not front. She says she cooked the breakfast but yet he says he cooked the breakfast. This child was killed nowhere near that camp before the trip and never made it.
I've seen interviews with the great grandfather. I might be wrong on all but the great grandfather did not seem like the most child friendly person. Also the great grandfather was on oxygen and has an oxygen tank with at all times. I know I wouldn't leave my 2 year old with him.
Never ever would I have left my grandchildren or even my puppy in his care. I saw his interview. Said he doesn’t pick up kids, wouldn’t hug or kiss a kid. Obvious health issues. Could never keep up with an active toddler.
@@janedoe7229 right? Like they wanted to blame the grandpa's friend saying he seemed weird and stuff. I think they were just using him as an escape goat.
@@cecils.4570 my thoughts exactly. The grandpa didn’t even seem to know much about that “friend”. He even said he wouldn’t trust him. Then why did they have him come along. Easy person to blame, that’s why. Imo. So many things do not add up.
@@janedoe7229 I saw an interview the friend did and dammmm the friend and great grandpa were definitely not on the same page of what kind of friendship they had lol
@@cecils.4570 yup. I so agree. Really sus.
when my boy was 2 his grandpa let him and the dog go outside, on a farm, he put his shoes on thinking they would both be outside when he got out there. we'll the dog was but my boy made it a far distance off into the middle of the thikest of bushes that were around the perimator of the farm. then the second time it happened, I thinking grandpa knew better not to do that again, it was a year later. he did it again, thinking my boy was just going a cross the road to were I lived, nope, we flu d him 2 miles down the road, ware he turned down a diffront road and was heading to a house ware they had bigger kids toys, well a semi stoped and picked him up and the man thought he must live in that house, we got to him as he was backing his rig up, my boy was fine but I was crying so hard that I could not even move. my boy only started crying when he seen me crying. he is 20 and I still worrie about him
Very scary.
You must have been a mess.
Patty Cake OMG!!! that’s insane!! You must have been terrified!!! Was the semi backing up to take him or just to get him and find where he belonged?
No parent should let any grandpa watch a toddler, ever, sorry...Grandpas and great grandpas are NOT genetically wired to BE AWARE of HOW to watch a toddler...My father wanted to take my 2 yr old for a walk in my hood. I said ok, then a minute later looked up the street to see how they were doing...my toddler was 100 yards AHEAD of my father and still running...my father was strolling along looking at all the houses etc, NOT at my kid! the street was full of parked cars on the street and in immediate driveways, any one of which could have backed up and crushed him without ever seeing him! I RAN all the way up the street and snatched my child. we walked back to my house and i told my Dad you CANNOT allow him to go more than 5 ft from you! he was kinda insulted and ignored me; THATS HOW AWARE old males are!! NOT!!!
To whom does it may concern
You need to focus your search area where the Mother placed the call to the dispatcher. The dispatcher asked her to stay put. The Mother did not. I am positive, that once that area is searched. You will find sufficient evidence that will lead the law enforcement to the conclusion.
I'm sure they searched there.
Has anyone considered an accident at home ( accidental run over ) and the trip was specifically to get rid of the body?
Four adults involved in a cover up. That’s highly unlikely. That would mean all four adults would be psychopathic. Not likely.
I really don’t believe deor ever made it to the camping trip :(
@@kelleyrobles1961 Nah, I think he was kidnapped. Most likely by another camper at that location. There may be incriminating evidence I'm not aware of, of course, but linking the parents to his disappearance is not as clear as we've seen in other cases (Madeleine McCann, Caylee Anthony, etc.). They might be innocent.
Jason Vyzer
Jason Vyzer Have u seen anything saying that there other folks camping up there at the same time?? I haven’t seen that anywhere??? But if there was, wow, that def could be interesting to know more on...I’ve never seen anyone else interviewed besides the four that were there for the trip?? lmk if u have heard there were others around the area! Yikes!! Poor Baby Deorr...What and adorable little soul he is/was 🙏🏻💔
@@cryogeneric if somebody kidnapped him they were on foot and hiding in the woods because nobody else was out there camping and there's only one road in or out somebody would seen another vehicle out there so I don't think that happen
The mother said in an interview. That they haven't shown her that he's there. "They haven't shown me he's there".. Somehow she may know he is NOT there! She may know where he is!
She’s making them work for it… They have to show her some thing… God for bid she do anything
You are a idiot
Missing 411, maybe you have heard about this.
UPDATE: As of February 2020 the cops went through the storage unit and found the jacket that DeOrr was supposedly wearing during the camping trip. So it is now being treated as a homicide. I'm not sure if they suspect the child died before the trip or during the trip. But during would make more sense since there would be actual biological evidence showing he was there and something happened to him there. As opposed to just taking the parents word for it that he was wearing the jacket.
Thanks for the update. My gut feelings from the start told me it was the parents. Body language speaks all besides the BS stories.
That was known back in 2017
@@lisasullivan1947 why would the parents say he was wearing a jacket that was in a storage unit?
If the parents were at all involved...that is some sick shit...Jesus
WOW really,my radar.was.way off this time,I really thought the parents didn't know, where can I look that up please??
Little boy wearing big ole cowboy boots wondering around is NOT going to go too far away by himself..He would be slow, and scared to go off far...They said just a few minutes before they came back up from the creek, well that 2 year old would still be in eyesight or at least hear shot of their voices... I'm telling you the parents are involved...No Doubt!!!
A cougar or wolf can grab a child in a half second and be gone. A cougar can carry a deer up a tree, no problem.
A cougar will go for the neck. They can brake a deer neck with one bite.
You would think that would be the most common scenario.
there would be at least some animal tracks and blood drops in that scenario. they searched for that. looked for tracks, had dogs... there was absolutely no physical evidence or any animal at the near the camp or any track or sign that a boy was there. no one in town saw the boy either and they asked people
No,it's the parents,changed story too many times! I think he drowned,as they left him with grandad, but grandad said they said he was left with me, so I don't think they did!!
Did they ever check out satellite photos
I don't know but I have been wondering why, in cases like this, a fleet of drones is not called into operation. Archaeologists with drones get great images of large areas of ground, looking for possible sites. It seems like drones with cameras could cover a huge amount of territory even as searchers on the ground do a saturation search.
@@annalisette5897 your right good thinking
Anna Morris Canadian police solved the murder of an entire family that way. The case stagnated because they didn’t have any bodies, but a survey drone just happened to take a picture of the suspects house just hours before he disposed of the bodies. The picture clearly showed two adults and one child laying dead in his backyard.
Exactly what my wife said to me last night! She said about 18 years back when the neighbors stole her package that was sent to her by her family across country. She called the postal. To make the story short, they told her to tell the neighbors if indeed they didn't take it then they can do an investigation & use the satellite. Soon as she hung up, went knock on their door & told them exactly what was mentioned to her. She went home and less than 10 mins later they arrived with the box which have been opened! She didn't press charges because she wanted to live there peacefully till she moved out.
Mind you all these wanna be Hmong gangster were outside smoking cigarettes when the mailman delivered. Smh.
What about cell phone pings too? This campsite wasn’t that remote… There was a man-made picnic table there. And a fire pit. Built for humans to go set up their tents and “camp” there… I used to be a river raft guide and camped in really remote places and I always had cell reception if not at the site I was camping I could only walk a few feet and get some reception…this is as of the past 10 to 15 years… Once my phone was in my dry suit and it actually rang going down the river lol I I could’ve worn a prom dress under that dry suit.
I think the child never went camping, the family went to cover up what happened the previous day
Did they search their house.
They want to blame the parents because they don't have the answers. They just want to close the case. How many innocent people are being let out of jail now because police detectives just wanted to close the case?
Mom said about their trip that she was frustrated they had to go "4 different places" before the father said he had to get diesel fuel and she was upset she'd been waiting "2 hours" to get the feminine hygiene products she needed..I'm sure theres some exaggeration in the story but that would make for 5 total stops if she's not including the gas station..4 before, the gas station, and apparently where she eventually got what she needed, also you would think she would bring what she needed for the rural camping trip..and why not get them where hes getting diesel fuel..most rural gas stations will carry items like tampons, I would think if she was frustrated and it was somewhat of an emergency she would try to get them there if she could or atleast look into it.does anyone know if she went in the gas station to see if they had them or if he looked atleast..but mostly I would like a clarification of the "four stops" they made over "2 hours" while they were arguing a out getting diesel fuel
Excellent point.
Also I watched the missing 411 video, the dad's interview... He stated he just wants to give him his life back or give him closure or something like that but the first part is near exact quote.
Only one who takes a life could give it back.... Or God... or one who thinks they're a god.
Using statement analysis I would question the dad about this. I would think it's possible his dad took his life but this is only a tool, not to slander.
God bless and keep the innocent.
If she sat there for 2 hours on her period, there would be stains. Did they check?
Disturbing. To say the very least.
the mother did it or knows what happened or the child was never there in the 1st place
You are a idiot
Missing 411, maybe you heard about this
Why haven't we seen the grandfather being questioned since he was the last one that saw him? No one is talking about the grandfather other than the toddler was left with him. And why wouldn't you keep a close eye on a 2 year old? I'm not saying the grandfather did it but why wouldn't/didn't he keep a close eye on a toddler. Maybe he can't hear very well and coudn't hear him scream if an animal or person took him? What about someone like a psychic? Maybe they have the answer. Has the reservoir been searched completely? Are there aligators in the resorvoir? Where does the creek go to? Have you looked in the trees if a cat took him? I pray it was not a predator and that someday soon he will be found.
He was. You can see it on Investigation discovery channel. Looks as guilty as the parents. I don't understand why they weren't arrested, many criminals were arrested even though they didn't find the body, the cops should get the truth out of them like the CIA does to terrorists. klewtv.com/news/local/missing-toddlers-parents-hire-lawyer-failed-two-polygraph-tests
From what I am gathering from what I know:
The grandfather agreed to talk but would not do so on camera. I say this because there is a movie that just came out titled Missing 411 (sorry meant to say I just got done watching it - for the 2nd time - not that it just came out). This movie centers around Deorr's disappearance. Anyway, Grandpa I don't think was in his right mind to begin with. And yes on oxygen. If you hear the way he talks about his great-grandson it is very peculiar....he refers to him as "the kid"...over and over.
I'm sorry I am also seeing now that your comment was many years old🤦
At any rate I don't know what the thought process was of allowing this baby to go back towards his great grandfather, on oxygen, mind slipping...and not to mention they are 100 yards away from a steep hill and creek. This is going to be something that is going to haunt these parents for the rest of their lives.
As far as the parents....I think there may have been some slip ups in their statements to cover up some bad decisions on their part during this trip. I'm not saying I think they are involved or they aren't. I find it strange that at one time they were all about defending each other. Now that they are split up Jessica is pointing the finger at Deorr Sr. Who knows??? I don't put much stock into the 2nd private investigator they hired BC he seems like a real nutsack but the 1st one....I would really like to hear more of what he has to say.
What I'd REALLY like to see? Closure on this. It would be a beautiful thing to find out that this boy is still alive but I think if we are being honest with ourselves and thinking within the voice of reason....there is very little chance he is still alive.
I would definitely watch that Missing 411 movie. And check out David Paulides and his work. Very interesting stuff.
aLiCe wOndERLaND wow! amazing ok, going to watch now!! Who is the David guy you speak of? Is he the one that did the movie on 411? I keep hearing about that but haven’t watched yet! going to now!!! This is such a crazy story! Everyone seems to be lying!!
KC Court David Paulides. Author is the Missing 411 book series, and accompanying films. He also has his own webpage CanAm Missing. He featured this case in his Missing 411 cases as it fits all his profiles for those cases.
The grandfather passed away. There is some video of him being interrogated in the "Little man Lost" documentary
a lot of others have disappeared in national parks so why is any body talking about David Paulides Missing 411 and how it might play in this boy's disappearance.
It's so frustrating looking at stuff like this.
Poor soul taken
The Dad took and failed FIVE polygraph tests! The Mom also took a few and failed them all. And they massively failed, it wasn’t even close. They are guilty!
Who takes 5 of those tests?
We've been fed the same line about polygraph test for a long time. I am hoping the Test shows its weakness this time.
@@tuckhorse If you fail FIVE polygraphs, that means something!
@@blessedmwsmom I can't disagree with you, it definitely means you failed 5 polygraphs. That's not enough for me to say that these parents murdered their boy. What do you think about a cat slipping in there or him falling into the creek? That said I probably shouldn't comment I do not know a lot about what's going on here.
@@skystevenson24 indeed; 99 % of its effectiveness is the interviewer convincing the subject that it can tell what it tells. its easily defeated if given some time to look into it. not to say there are not some really good polygraph examiners, like those used with the FBI and CIA.
I still feel the mother has something to do with us I hate to think that but it’s just her demeanor her body language something just isn’t right
This sounds like one of the Missing 411 cases like David Paulides describes.
It is
That's because it is. It's in David's movie 'Missing 411'.
My neighbor watched her 22 lb cat be hauled off by a coyote and could do nothing
22# cat holy moley 😬
That’s so sad.
Either that child was never out there or the family out there was all in on it. Which I don’t think is the case. If a animal took that child canines would of tracked the scent. These types of disappearances have been going on for a very long time. But people are getting them mixed with explainable disappearances for the simple fact that people just don’t vanish without a trace. But they do! Something very strange and scary is going on right under our noses. And until people start coming up front and admitting this is going on people are not going to know to stay close and stay together when out in remote areas. But this phenomenon seems to happen at the perfect time and perfect place every time. That’s what makes these disappearances so scary. It’s almost like the people that go missing are picked out or chosen and there’s nothing that could of been done differently which is really frightening. Nobody should go missing in a remote area and never found. But it happens more often than people know. People are being abducted by something or somethings in remote areas and it’s not wildlife. It’s something else.
Idaho is infamous for a certain kind of animal which no one wishes to talk about. There was one missing or abducted little boy potentially seen slung over the sholder of something large hairy bipedal on a high ridge a long distance away. This thing can pick a child if not at least an average sized human up and move quickly over large distances leaving no local evidence and known tracks and the reason dogs wont track it is the human scent doesnt touch the ground and the animals scent is largely unknown and scary even to the tracker dogs who instead choose not to follow it and their tracks are no doubt widely spaced and hard to follow: would u choose to follow the tracks of a very large animal whose gait is maybe 4 to 6 or more feet apart much much longer than the dog. Give the dogs credit: they know sonething enormous, scarey, and dangerous when they smell it.
I think that when you go to a very remote camp site, you have ulterior motives! people who need to be that alone have problems! if they have kids, disaster!
@@daetyme998 not always. In like camping and I try to choose the most remote secluded spot I can. Just because I like it.
These people don’t have any StreetSmarts...which are still required, even in the wilderness.
Daetyme The campsite wasn’t that remote. There was a picnic table there! That’s my gauge
That sheriff is a JOKE! Seriously ~ he doesn’t THINK there are any cameras anywhere! And He can’t check out every stranger that looks creepy??? I bet if it was his grandson he would!!! Wow. Unbelievable some of the things he said, and his attitude is unprofessional. Dam!
Have you ever been to Leadore? You can drive through it in literally 30 seconds. Additionally, the many times I've stopped there, I've never seen a camera. As for the stranger, do you expect him to jump into his time machine to find out if this man existed, and to get a better description of him?
He wants to go back to his air conditioned office to play Words with friends
David Paulides here is another case for you. Read his book 411 people missing in national parks that vanish no trace mostly children.
Weird you said that , it happens to be the first case he covers in his missing 411 movie
jubeifyGuy guy no he puts out facts of the cases. They’re not CT’s! They’re facts. And this case matches many case parameters almost identically.
@jubeifyGuy guy I suspect that the author of that book is himself posting all over the internet and youtube with different names to advertise his book by stealth. Sparkling Stars = the book author.
What happened with interviewing the surrounding campers???
Tracey Trotter were there any??? I have never heard any talk of any other ppl being in the area...have u?? I’ve seen it in comments but not in anything I’ve watched...And where was this man she claims was starring very weird at Deorr??? Was that at the store when they were getting the snacks??
There were no other campers. This was a one campsite spot deep in back country with only one dirt road in and out. No other vehicles.
To the FBI please comb the area where the Mother placed the call to the Dispatcher.
I've read your comment. Why is her location so important?
What did the mother do, you think?
He said they saw both bears and wolves during their search within a three mile radius. Did they check the dens on the other side of the hill? He claimed the two dens nearby were not occupied "that they know of", as he looks at the other sheriff. What between them two? Another question should have been, did they look up and check the trees? Mountain lions will drag their prey up into a tree. The cats here do go right through campgrounds and the town all the time. Not all are seen because they're very stealth, yet don't care if you see them. They won't always run off, but stare you down. They cooked food that morning which most likely brought all the predators in. Or, the mother sold the child to someone who they probably met up with at the store and went over their plan. The father was in debt, the mother wanted out, they agreed. She marries, he doesn't pay child support. That was the deal. They didn't kill the child, I hope.
petoskystone
More than 50 years ago a family lost a child here close where I live. The child was very small too, like this little boy. He was just playing and running some meters before his parents and friends and...vanished. After almost 35 years someone found bones of a little child. What everybody know is or a mountain lion or another animal got the little child.
the kid was wearing cowboy boots 5 sizes too large, no animal could drag them up a tree with the child as DeOrr could hardly walk ten steps without losing them himself!
Andreea Blonde if a wild animal got him there would be noise, and or, blood. There was nothing.
These two guys should retire...just putting in their time and drinking coffee.
I think parents were gone way longer than 20 minutes. I think it's negligence, pure & simple. They blew off taking care of the child, assumed an old guy on oxygen will take good care of a TODDLER, in the wilderness, when the grandfather also seems very unclear about whether he was supposed to be watching the child? He even said in an interview that he never picks up kids? Why leave your child with someone who isn't willing or able to pick them up?
They're in the middle of the woods,with water nearby, & they don't keep their child with them, but choose to go off by themselves -- on a 'family' trip?
They were either off somewhere having sex in the woods or doing drugs or both. They left the kid, who knows how long, & he's gone when they return.
I think an animal had to have gotten him. A wolf, mountain lion, eagle, some predator. I wouldn't be surprised if they find clothing/boots up there someday. I don't think the parents killed him but I do think they're not so great parents, & they're lying to cover up the guilt they feel at being so careless with their child's safety & well being.
I think he drowned mom and dad found him right away and dad disposed of him when he went off to call 911
I agree re animal took him, and one day they might find some piece of his remains in an animal den, faeces, etc.
Remember the Australian dingo that took a baby from the tent! The police and dogs searched everywhere and no trace of him was found. The parents said they believed a dingo took him in the night.
They were suspected and the mother was found charged with her babies murder , tried and found guilty by the jury, and served several years in prison.
Backpacker wandering through the bush a few years later found a baby’s sleep suit torn and bloody and after analysis it was confirmed dingos saliva, together with the babies blood and dna was found on the suit!
This is perfectly true so it’s wise not to judge until proof is found.
@@christrinder1255 giving an opinion isn't necessarily judging people I'm just saying animals don't eat clothing you said it yourself so why not even a thread ??? Or one of his boots that were to big and would have fallen off should an animal have attacked him ?
If this child went anywhere but into a car or strait up the dogs would have trotted right up the child back side ..... OPEN YOUR YES PEOPLE THE FAMILY DIDNT DO IT ....MISSING 411
Now that sheriff or sheriffs are PROFESSIONALS in their field..Great job guys, you make it easy to establish how unprofessional, and unqualified that Klein is...Thanks for keeping it real...
so many law enforcement are inept, lazy, and just don't care; you hear of a lot of things police did not do that would have helped, but yet, they didn't do it!
I sure hope this Sheriff has quit or retired by now. A child is MISSING and he can't answer half of the questions he's being asked. And a "receipt" simply verifies there was a purchase made, not who all was at the store. Good grief. "Assumptions" do not make good police work. It's no wonder this little boy is still missing.
So he feels very good about his investigation in to the parents and the grandfather...But, he doesn’t say anything about feeling very good with his investigation in to Isaac...When Isaac is brought up, he says, “well, I don’t want to get too much in to that but he was friends with the grandpa and had never met the parents or Deorr prior to this camping trip 🤭😱🤐He got kinda weird when Isaac’s name was brought up...Thoughts??
I'm thinking, she was already involved with the guy she ended up marrying, so she needed to get rid of that lil boy. She walked off with the dad and purposely left the baby with the gramps who can't breathe or walk to good. Why do I say this, because what mother leaves a child near water or with somebody who is practically immobile??? He was a toddler, they never sit down, how was the grandpa supposed to keep an eye on him or save him if he fell in the water, thats how u know she knew the creepy friend was gonna snatch him up as soon as she got the dad far enough so he couldnt see. So she had to get the dad away from the gramps and the baby so the creepy friend could snatch him and get rid of him. The dad n gramps were oblivious to her plan.
They couldn’t talk about Isaac because he lawyered up.
@@conytrev8263 I agree with you with her know that the grand pa is unable to watch the child but I don't believe Isaac did it because he's not the smartest and if he did he wouldn't of been able to cover up he's tracks to good because he's got a disability I believe the parents knew we'd point the finger at Isaac so she put Isaac and the grandpa at that moment to cover up what they really did
Sounds in my opinion is very similar to the Missing 411
Its featured in the documentary film actually.
Exactly! All these national forest missing cases / camping forest missing cases are terrible similar. People, especially kids, just vanished into thin air. No tracks, no sounds. Disgusting that some people blame his parents or the grandfather. This tragedy already ruined their life. It tooks only couple of minutes when someone dissabears near those forests. Something weird is obviously happening there. Hope they find his remains someday, that his relatives can have some answers, closery, healing.
@@tipluxxxx5958
Ya, mom was so devastated she remarried shortly after her son goes missing. Moving on like that, that quickly, doesn't indicate that her life was ruined. She started a whole new life.
The parents are suspects. Jessica lost custody of her older children due to abuse, it's on her rap sheet in her criminal record.
+Achenar Spire
Fact? conjecture? Do you have a source you can link?
Crime watch , Daily Mail . com, and other Web sleuths sites.. There's fascinating information coming out today.
Isaac Reinwand has spoken about the parent's despicable behavior.
KBOI and KTVB7 on their facebook pages have confirmed the parents are now suspects.
Jessica has set up a second face book page asking for $$ for her defense.
+Achenar Spire
Do you have any documented proof of your assertions of child abuse? How about a link to Reinwand's statement where he speaks about the parents supposed despicable behavior?
Web sleuths is over a thousand pages of SPECULATION, hardly proof of anything. If you are going to make such statements about a person you should have a factual basis and provide some documentation.
Edit to add quote from Reinwand:
EATON: If Deorr and Jessica were arrested today, what would you say?
REINWAND: I’d say I’d really be surprised because I wouldn’t think somebody like those two would do something like that.
From here: www.eastidahonews.com/2016/01/isaac-reinwand-i-had-nothing-to-do-with-deorrs-disappearance/
Achenar Spire none of that is true! You can have as many websleuths or keyboard warriors as you want but it's all conjecture, hypotheticals and assumptions, so to take anything they say as fact is just plain crazy!
She gave custody of her two other kids to their respective fathers.
So uh... Are we checking their home? Forget the campsite. Check for blood in the carpets.
Theyre all lying
Good point. Since cadaver dogs were at the campsite and didn't find him, did they check the trunk of the car? He could have been accidentally killed and put in the trunk, driven away and disposed of later. Also, how deep/fast was the creek they were fishing in? I can't imagine leaving a toddler with the great grand-dad who is disabled and on oxygen.
@@MysticFiddler1 I’m disabled and on and off oxygen and I’m a great mother to my 3 and half year old. Thank you very much!
@@courtneyobyrne5309 but you are not old and feeble; and you care, and love your child, not everyone does.
You are a idiot
Missing 411 , these people who go disappearing is being taken by something with 100 % effectiveness. Even hunters with guns and knives.. you are the lier
I think elderly relatives are fine looking after a toddler in your/their but anywhere else, no. I've seen too many grandparents struggling with young children in parks & manic London rush hour & elsewhere & thought it would be a good 20mins before they even noticed one was missing.
But this was a very frail, elderly person on oxygen whom had a caregiver himself!
Does anyone knows what happened to this boy?It so heartbreaking that he is missing like that.
Never found, like he vanished. See “Missing 411”. This boy is in one of these videos/movies. Very strange how so many people go missing.
😳and now two more kiddos are missing smh
working from public comments made by others that the mother had given up full custody of her other children, is it possible that Deorr was taken on the urgent convenience store run but at that point handed over to his new adoptive parents? the location is very remote, no cctv, too few others to watch anything that may have happened. unlikely that financial records will indicate anything presuming an extremely well planned hand-off was conducted; that kind of planning is externally done and followed through with by others. this planning is not done in a rush, it is rather planned and possibly even practiced. further/also: any cell service data would backup the stated travel took place as the parents described.
question: how much if any alcohol was brought to the campsite and, if any, how much was consumed by the grandfather and the tag along friend prior to the mother and father pressing those two with "where's deorr?". how many stories of any kind can anyone point to via tv, movies, etc., that a cloudy memory of any event happening is muddled when alcohol is introduced. when that is the case its becomes very difficult to admit, as those tv movies and stories show, that an evet occured merely because someone may have had a drunk-on.
In the UK we have CCTV everywhere,even in small villages there are cameras.
So he obviously does not believe DeOrr wandered off. He says about the cremains... "not thinking they deposited these cremains right in the middle of a CRIME scene."
+punknhead23 , done on purpose?....not thinking? is anyone that dumb?
What are cremains???
@@janicedispirito6539 cremation remains
The dog should be able to smell the child himself independent of just decomposition I would think
I have always thought there was something weird about their drive to the general store/gas station. What if the boy WAS with the parents, but he wasn't ok, what if Deorr had already been hurt & they were going to the store to get supplies & they got rid of the boy on the road?
Krypton I agree... I think something happened at the campsite and the parents disposed of the body while going to town. I don't think the friend had anything to do with it. His story never changed. The grandpa seems clueless as to what is going on around him.
Laura Brown These two events have plagued me since I first heard of this story. The moment Jessica & Vernal turned around to walk toward the creek, leaving the baby to be watched by Walton, who wasn't even sure he should or should not watch the baby. That campground is isolated & almost scary, what kind of a mother turns her back on her baby in the wilderness? And that car ride to the store. Everyone at the store said they never saw any baby/kid. Jessica said it was so urgent to get to the store. Both scenarios are suspicious. If man's judgement is not justice enough, God's judgement is eternal, they're gonna get theirs'.
Krypton The part I don't understand is months later Deorr's parents were evicted from their apartment. When police searched their apartment they found stuffed in the couch the very jacket Deorr was supposedly wearing when missing and some toy cars that were supposedly missing as well. That seems like pretty good evidence. Also, her needing to go to town so bad that even she said she was telling Deorr's father l"et's go, let's go" and then waiting while he stopped at four different places before she was able to get what she needed just doesn't seem right. It doesn't make sense, and usually if things don't make sense they aren't true.
Laura Brown Yes, true. I actually think it does make sense, but not our logical, casual sense. The police found Deorr's clothes means they separated the clothes from Deorr before they got rid of him, maybe to make it easy & less items to hide. And fact that they were just driving around "shopping"? No. They were trying to figure out how to do the job, how to get rid of Deorr. I think it makes sense if we were to "wrap our minds around" the way they were thinking. They probably had a plan, the small details of reality became obstacles.
Krypton yes!!!! what was the main reason they have for going to town the next day?? When u go camping, you usually pack coolers full of drinks, food, bring lots of snacks etc...why get the diesel the next day?? if they needed diesel for the truck or camper or something, wouldn’t they just get that when they were leaving camp to go home?? Or have stopped when they went thru town on their way to the campsite?? Why rush down to town the following day to get diesel and then go back to the camp???? Do we know if the diesel went in to a vehicle or camper??? Or did it go in to gas cans???? Cuz if it went in to gas cans, YIKES!!!! But if the burned any evidence, it would seem they would’ve found a spot where there had been a fire?? So much of a mess going on here!! I just found this last night and I’m obsessed with trying to find all the vids so I have all the facts straight but it’s hard cuz nobody is keeping their facts straight!!!! Crazy!!
Sure nobody with him coming or going but with somebody already there??? I happen to think it was the parents but I still think the cops are lazy AF. They should be looking in surrounding areas. They should be expanding their search and thinking outside the box… No shrugging and throwing your hands up in the air saying, “don’t know whoops ...”.
Never trust these gang members! It’s sickening!
You think the cops took the babe?
With all the lies the parents have told, it could have been them.
Sad we call people Liars before we know the real truth, it happens all too often nowadays. Used to be you could slap someone upside the head for calling you a liar. I miss those days. A lion could have easily slipped in there, the little fella could have worked his way to the Creek. If the parents are innocent can you imagine the hell they've been going through, I'm guilty of being naive and optimistic. Among other things. If these parents are innocent I wonder what that makes you people who have been attacking them guilty of. Still optimistic and hopeful have a nice day.
Small children can take off in a flash & can also cover long distances...it happens more often than people realize...you have to be in total control of them even on a leash if you are outdoors. The no scent is disturbing.
Mom is kinda pointing finger at dad now that they’ve moved on from each other.
Mom is desperate to point a finger at anybody that isn’t herself.
I think the sheriff has turned this into a professional investigation. The only question on their part is the first officer that arrived on the scene. Was the scene protected, or before the sheriff got there did the scene already get Compromised. This baffles the minds.
Was there food and drinks that only a small child would consume in the trailer?
I would like to hear Nate better. More volume please
Why do you call this UNCUT, when it's clearly not UNCUT? Also, what happened to the Sheriff saying that he hopes a hunter will come across DeOrr's body. (Or it's possible)
UNCUT means UNCUT. Get with the program! You are making a lot of mistakes on this story.
I would be looking at that odd ball guy that was with them. I watched one of these videos and that guy says, “I don’t remember what all happened.” The great grandpa was old and feeble, this so called friend of the grandpa, had an opportunity to do what ever he wanted and took advantage of the situation. That river would of been an easy way to get rid of the tiny body, without a trace.
I think they were all drinking the night before and somehow accidentally ran over and killed the little boy and were afraid to get in to trouble so they took his body far enough away from the camp site and disposed of him then went to town to cover up why the left the camp site.
NO...There would be blood
Cadaver dogs didn't hit on a body.
They did not check if they had a camera ,he should know WHO has cameras.
He didn't say they didn't check for a camera, he said he'd be surprised if anyone in Leadore had a surveillance camera.
It wasn't mentioned but I wonder if they have checked the scat of local bears and wolves.
Usually you go fishing in the morning, or in daylight, and wolves are more active at night…
This fits what David Paulidit's been talking about strange disappearances and looking at the date of this video I believe this missing child cases in one of his books
Exactly right! Not the grandpa or parents or Issac, it’s whatever is in our national parks
@@courtneyobyrne5309
Exactly, I was wondering what do you think is happening to these people?? I'm thinking Sasquatch/ Bigfoot portals/wormholes or extraterrestrial could be the cause and I also think that the higher-ups or certain people in government know what's going on
@@jbrobertson6052 ET and government!
@@jbrobertson6052 yes!! I wish more people were open minded bc the paranormal is very Real and there's so many mysterious possibilities that most just laugh at. The government definitely knows about these beings.
Move the search area out to 15 miles and you will find Deorr in my opinion. Check out Missing 411 and consider crytpids. No Joke.
M B David paulides
Or how bold would it be if those ashes were Deorr's. Funny the sheriff says his people saw no one coming or going but yet someone got by with ashes and dumped them. This sheriff has a hard time telling the facts.
@@jewelweed5375 yeah literally it seemed like a horror movie. Like they were all involved somehow. I’m not sure if it’s because they’re all just odd because of living in a remote place. It seems so off though almost like everyone at the camp ground knew. At least the parents and that the police knew something was off but were covering it up. So strange.
@@user-nq4hw5eb9d they had a dog search a few years later, the handler said the dogs smelled remains in the water but couldn't say if they were Indian remains from way back when or if they were recent. I mentioned the guy getting past the sheriff that day and dumping ashes and maybe that's what the dogs smelled. I got some hate for saying that on another post.
The Primary suspects are the Mother and step Farther. Secondary the store
They sold him is what I think, or sacrificed him.
sorry my phone posted do many times
Wow, this sounds like what Paulides haas written about. I agree with the sheriff, abduction seems unlikely. Not just because of the single road but who goes out to the middle of nowhere to abduct?
What is amazing is the fact the kid went missing in such a short time period and area. He has to be there. How could so many searchers not find the kid? This is what makes this so bizarre,its as if he literally vanished.
You asked, "who goes out to the middle of nowhere to abduct?" My answer is someone who has been assigned/hired to abduct. There's only one road in & one road out, seems like a perfect area to abduct. It's isolated, surrounded by mountains & a body of water, millions of places to hide an entire army, in this case, a little kid. If all 4 adults claimed the boy was present at the camp & then vanished without leaving clothes, hair, blood, or any sign, this opens the possibility that someone came in, took the boy & every evidence of the boy & took off (we also don't know if the parents had even packed the boy's clothes, to make the abduction easier). Vernal even said in an interview "I chose that spot because of the mountains surrounding this place." If the authorities searched that area thoroughly & found nothing, how far can a 2-year-old go on his own, or by an animal carrying the boy or being abducted & evidence being left behind? No, it IS possible someone could have walked into the campsite, taken the boy & taken him far away. I do blame the parents, they are solely responsible, especially the mom. There was blood on Vernal's truck, the police said it belonged to Deorr. Another weird thing is & this points to the boy never went to the campsite theory, the mom or dad don't have any pictures of the boy at the campsite. Taking pictures is a major aspect of going camping with your child. I think both scenarios are strong.
Yeah they say they would’ve heard someone come in or go but what if somebody was already there… This is what we’re working with… to answer your question, maybe the abductor didn’t have a plan but they instead messed around with the boy and then decided it’s best to kill himself before he told His parents or something… It was a great opportunity for anybody who wasn’t playing with a full deck of cards to snatch a child lacking parents watching over him.
Mountain Lions do take kill up high in a tree sometimes and they'll stay put off there's allot of commotion around. As abduction in that type of area would be rare but possibly opportunistic. Water or wild animal are most probable to me. I grew up there in the wilderness.
Who are Pener and Trina? I read on youtube they know.
Trina is Jessica’s mother and Pener is the Sheriff from what I have read.
Weird how the dad went into town and main concern was fuel could been used to burn the body the mom's guility and Grandpa's friend is
Angel Parker 🤭🧐 Right??? Why’d he go in to town for diesel??? Do we know if it was put in to a vehicle or camper?? Or was it put in to containers! Yikes never thought about that but, DAMN!!!! Ya, why run around to two diff places the following morning to get the diesel??? If a vehicle or camper needed it, wouldn’t they just get it on their way home rather than drive all that way back in to town?
@@kccourt6910 according to his wife she started her period n needed tampons n that's why they went
My 2 year old grandson got away was found four blocks down people do not realize young kids have no fear and get off quite fast and get a lot further than you realize it happens and we will never know what really happen but blaming the parents with out proof is Betty wrong just saying young kids get off and away more than people think .
Forest beings
Any reports of Sasquatch sightings in the area?
Yes, there was. And there’s been many Sasquatch reports of them snatching women and particularly small children. Look at the Dennis Martin case. He was never found. He was playing hide and seek next to a briar patch (what Sasquatch’s love) and he went missing. Gone in the blink of an eye. Never was found.
Are you for real with this?
💞 Much Love and Respect to law Enforcement it's yrs now and the painful effects are still so strong.
That sheriff is a little fast with his words. He says,`` If we investigate everyone looking at some one...``. We are not talking about ``everyone xyz `` we are specifically talking about some one staring at this little boy that disappeared. And how ignorant to say, right off the bat, they`re excluding an abduction because no one saw anyone driving in the road to the campsite. There are numerous ways some one with mal intentions can get in or even have pre knowledge of that campsite being occupied by these people with a child. Crazy people who abduct children resort to a multitude of methods to work their crimes.
I agree with you. If the guy staring at them mentioned the boy to someone else who did take him may be a possibility. The timeline doesn't work out in my mind tho
YOU MISSED A SPOT
What’s under here…? Lol
How long after he was thaught to be missing was 911,because I'm assuming it would take at least 3 -5 hours to calm down figure out what ur gonna do take a body far from where ur camping without being seen dig a deep enuf hole to bury the body come back get a story rehearsed and call 911 I personaly would have flipped the f out screaming like a ohysco driving all over that campsite go back into town and pissed at my grandpa who was suppose to be watching him it's weird but if the mother did have previous track record then yes it's possible she accidently hit him and killed him
David Paulides!
They went into town did they take the child but never brought him back? And being there grandfather is not aware the child was not brought back . so they acted like they walked away with child grandfather never saw him because he has no memory. What I hear the parents are lying and Isaac the friend not in his right mind but his interview he says Jessica may know cooperative but not truth.
david paulides...read his books 'missing 411'...this happens all the time to toddlers in the wilderness. they vanish when they're left with the elderly and they end up in water. or they end up alive with barely any clothing amd no recollection of where or they got miles from where they were last. it's eerie because humans leave tracks but a tracker can't track these missing kids and dogs can't seem to pick up or track the scent properly.
Alisianna G. So what do you think happens to these kids?
And it's also the perfect cover-up for people who want to get rid of their child...
the trip to town, makes more sense the kid was left then with grandpa an issiac. makes more since then only 5 minutes outta their sight.? Isaac previous sex charges, anyone know or even checked that out. while parents ran to town grandpa drunk fell asleep Isaac in charge. check out video of reporter questioning issiac about what happened. his answer.. the parents need closure I understand that but he doesn't remember really!??
Children of horrible abusive parents are not immune to abduction... Thats not to say they are not guilty but its also not proof that they are..
411 phenomina?
The mother and creepy friend got rid of that little boy.
Sold him?
No talk about the missing 411.
This is why Dave included this story.
Only the low life will continue to blame the parents. Cut them loose
This sheriff sounds like he does not give a shit about this missing boy . No compassion at all .
How can grandpa be with baby. They could see him playing but vanished. Soo grandpa was ???? What???? . It makes no sense
He came back to the area with me!?
Derp
Grandpa's buddy is a Creep!
I dont believe anyone abucted him Toddlers can becom missing in a blink of your eye I believe he wonder off on his own into the woods and God forbid he accidently met his fate Somehow God Bless this little baby
Was the camper trailer ever searched? Tons of tiny hiding spots in those things
Omg these police are terrible
i dont believe animals did it not only that why would you take a toddler to a camp site with wild animals? i wouldnt
They haven’t found any clothing or nothing at all so he’s not in that forest !!
not a sigle track or footprint of the child in the first place. I dont think he was ever there
I don't believe Issac never show baby they might make it look like he was on truck at all
He lied in a previous video he said he spoke to the gentleman that was said was starring. At deorr so did he really have a conversation with mystery man at the store resturant make up your mind you dont even let that 2nd cop open his mouth to say a word you give him a glance like keep your mouth shut
at least a couple of times...if not more. Aha!!
Missing 411 sound like ?
Their was this video of both parents were in and it was checked for deceptive body language and both partents passed with flying colors.
yet, in one interview Jessica was always looking at her partner every time she said something, like she looked for approval!
Why is the fbi involved?
LOL right?
If you think bald eagles and Golden Eagle aren't capable of carrying 2 year old children away, you need to do your research. Eagles are insanely intelligent, and strike quickly, they also have been seen lifting lambs, dogs, and yes KIDS. There are literally videos of it on youtube. Search Golden Eagle Snatches Child. You think that out of all the missing infants from National Parks, not one of them was from an Eagle? I would bet there are 1-2. The kid would never be seen again.
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In Alaska puppies get taken every summer. I'm not kidding. You think there are no Eagles in Idaho? Think again.
I'm thinking, she was already involved with the guy she ended up marrying, so she needed to get rid of that lil boy. She walked off with the dad and purposely left the baby with the gramps who can't breathe or walk to good. Why do I say this, because what mother leaves a child near water or with somebody who is practically immobile??? He was a toddler, they never sit down, how was the grandpa supposed to keep an eye on him or save him if he fell in the water, thats how u know she knew the creepy friend was gonna snatch him up as soon as she got the dad far enough so he couldnt see. So she had to get the dad away from the gramps and the baby so the creepy friend could snatch him and get rid of him. The dad n gramps were oblivious to her plan.