Well done Ollie. I’m in this situation . Loads of courses taken over the years, gas safe registered, was Elecsa registered , NNLW asbestos, SSSTS, various c&g’s, and a HND from a previous career and I’m gonna struggle to get a CSCS card , but a kid out of college with no experience but has the NVQ can get one no problem at all. Nothing against them but if your not a youngster your pretty screwed.
Just came across your videos today and this topic ruffled my feathers as it clearly does yours and most other guys. Having done Formwork pretty much all my life, I delayed the whole CSCS thing as long as possible when it came in and took substantial jobs without it for maybe 6 years, until I couldn’t. Now, I’ve had a guts full. You’ll soon need a ticket to scratch your arse. I’m out! I know it’s easier said than done and all principals come at a cost but we’ve let these criminals push us around and rob us blind. As a whole we all need to say no! Having all the tickets and NVQ’s in the world doesn’t make anyone and good or competent, which is even more with dangers of operating plant. You can either do it or you can’t. But if we stuck together these parasites would have no alternative to disappear and we’d be left to do what we do without subsidising them to sit on their ass at our cost. Long winded I know but it makes me savage! 😡
I couldn’t agree more, but as the big firms are also basically on the payroll in effect as they can claim their levy back against training, none of the big players want to make a stand. Sadly we will see a lot of people leave the big site work this year, pushed out by this change in policy. Safe today but not tomorrow - it’s pay to play disguised as safety
Big respect brother. Unfortunatly people like yourself are far and few between and as a result things will get worse and worse. The average UK resident just bends over for this kind of thing.
Spot on. Forty years in the trade and now at 56 having to do an nvq or don’t work. Where was the citb in the early eighties, all closed down. Disgusting.
Good one Ollie 👍 I think after doing the same job for over 30 odd years should stand to some sort of reference of your ability on site After all there is absolutely no young people if a not a few going to any trade on site as past 8 to 10 years And now there are looking 50 year old plus trades people to go and do NVQ on thing that they have been doing for years Mad the construction industry is getting 😡😡
Great point Ray, the economic benefit to this is negative, not in the sense of card charge (although its a rip off) but to the construction industry as a whole, my forty years are up, we never had these problems, yes we had idiots who claimed they were trades, good foreman oust them very quickly, the industry has lost sight is education, trades teach trades, a good carpenter will pass on his knowledge freely if the apprentice is keen, same as all the other core trades. I find this whole thing belittling to qualified tradesmen, forcing them with a dumb paper exercise to prove there worth, and to earn there living, outrageous, I truly feel sorry for the youngsters today who want a career in an industry that can provide a good return, I agree with Ollie some of us weren't Einstein at school, but that didn't make me an idiot, I grafted and did very well, its easy to say, but the only thing you can do is rebel against it , ask mp's, councillors, etc why the difficulty in me earning a living, you do have individual "right's" and they must listen to you, your a generation of wiz kids on the computer, set up a "construction" thread that's attractive on this topic, for whatever time you have left bang on the door hard, good Luck Mark
I've held a manager's card for longer than I care to remember, renewed it this year and as you rightly said, it will expire next December and to keep it I will have to do a NVQ7 at a cost of £3500, to keep it short , well done the CITB, 35 years of experience leaving the industry next December, as I will not pay it !!
It will be a loss to the industry to see you and thousands of others leave for this reason, although I suspect what will actually happen is firms will stop requiring us to have the stupid things in the first place - or at least I hope some common sense will prevail.
Terrific job Ollie and very well explained (and thanks for the shout out). I wonder how many of the guys that will be impacted by this needless change are actually aware. I also wonder if they are watching LinkedIn and TH-cam.
I had no idea also my card finishes in July.and last few months studying the citb book, i just came across your website by chance today because I was studying. Now i have a chance thanks to you to change directions .
It's a money-making scheme. 35 years i have been driving in this industry. I did an 11-month plant course at the Citb Bircham Newton college when i was 17 Do I really need to do a nvq
Really interesting to learn the licensing challenges in other locations, we have some decently strict rules here in mass but a lot of the US is quite unrestricted.
My green card expired a few years ago. I asked the job centre about getting another one. I was called cold called by a college offering a 7 day online 9am - 3pm course to get a green card. I mentioned the December cut off point to the college and got an obvious response. 😮 They seem to be willing to put me on this course, perhaps knowing it will only be valid until December.
This is outrageous , Iam an electrician 40 years experience, gold card since 2005 and I will loose it in the new year . Like many I will not bother and be a taxi driver instead . This at a time when experienced trades men are hard to come by .
U can get the card but the asbestos awareness HSe wont keep u on site after two years you get thrown off site . Then the job centre fixes another rig to keep the assos the extra 23.5o every two years most of the new builds are crap now cause the skills gone
What else do you need a card or statement of competency for? would you need it simply to enter a work site? What about erecting scaffold, using a disc cutter? A banksmen?
on uk sites you need tickets for everything! all wants renewing every three-five years, cscs, banks man, slinging, confined space, abrasive wheels, dumper, roller, excavator, first aid, street works, cat and genny, probably more that i have missed but that is just to be a groundworker 😂 overkill! not sure how it works having your own company but thats to work for the big housing firms! taylor wimpeys even want you to go for a weeks training to learn their own in house ticket even they have realised they can make money of our backs
we work on data centers and airports in Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Germany we are a group of Irish excavator operators we don't need any cards we all have them we are 6 years working and never had to show any card's
I’m a 53 year old Joiner on sites I’m having to go back ti the beginning and do an NVQ level 2 online. I’ve to provide online evidence videos, photographs, coursework etc
I had a black cscs card they call managers and professionals , i cant renew it because i dont have an nvq. Im a site manager 49 years old and im not doing an nvq level 6 at my age when i have years of experience and an smsts cert. I emailed the construction leadership council that came up with this idea , they are not interested. I did say that now im going for an operatives green cscs card. I know a lot of people are doung tbe same , i sooke to course providers and labour agencies. So on small to medium size projects the site manager will have an operatives card instead of a managers card. These size projects or companies dont necessarily ask for a cscs. I have just started a £2 2 million project and they are letting me go ahead with a green operatives card. Only the tier 1 contractors will insist on black cards. I also have to do a one day h and s course to apply for my green card. Its complete madness. And i can only assume its about money , so im finding it hard to take this industry seriously nowadays.
I made this video to make people aware of the approaching deadline. But its turned into something more than that. Sadly, so many people are either leaving the industry, or finding work arounds to keep working. None of it though has improved safety, productivity, or upskilled the workforce in any meaningful way. The representatives that watch over our industry have truly lost their way, and your story, along with so many others proves that. I wish you the best of luck navigating through all this.
@@Olliegunns thank you for your reply Ollie , sorry I've only just seen the notification. Thanks for making the video as well , it seems this has affected a lot of people. All the best.
That's good but not much use if you are in your 40's or 50's and don't want to go back to school just to continue working in an industry that you have for over 20 years! How can we be safe this year but not next year? I'm all for upskilling the workforce and training people but this doesn't benefit anyone except the training companies and the CITB!
Yes they do I,m 58 just got a gold CsCs card I have City and Guilds up to advanced craft in Bricklaying...all I had to do was send photo evidence of my Certificates to the CSCS card providers
CPCS was always just a money making scheme, You don't get out of bed and forget how to operate a machine. H&S has become a joke and I am glad I left operating plant in 2016. I am now a LGV class 1 driver and love it. Operating plant should be based on ability and experience not a piece of plastic. I had 360 wheeled and tracked, 180 and articulated dumptrucks and am fully experience on all of them. I bet I could hop on a machine now like I could in 2016 and be as good as I was. Its a load of nonsense and I am glad I am out of it.
I thought my card was going to run out. I rang them up and they’ve extended it. if you have history with them, they will extend it automatically please ring up. before giving up.
I asked cscs what a nvq 2 joiner is not qualified to do that a nvq 3 joiner is since they say the industry wants a fully qualified workforce I asked what happens if i am asked to do an operation i have been doing for 40 years but am now not qualified to do and what happens if there is an accident and i am injured doing an operation i am no longer qualified to do or if i refuse to do said operation because i am not qualified to do it They could not give me an answer Fortunately i have C&G craft so i now have a blue card but have used an IA gold card since 1998 and am now semi retired at 61yo and now despise this industry I have also been on a few site recently that dont even ask for these god forsaken cards
Its such a shame that good experienced time served tradesmen such as yourself are being effectively driven out of the industry by an industry body that is meant to represent us. We know there is no reasonable justification for bringing the grandfather rights scheme to an end early. Its profiteering masked as a safety improvement. I hope more sites will start to buck the trend and let skilled trades work despite not having a card. You know the way around it is to do a days classroom time and become a "labourer" with a green card..... Pathetic that its come to that really
@@Olliegunns Large construction firms up here in the north east will only allow you to do what is on your card you cannot operate as a joiner etc with a green card on sites run by McAlpines etc
Just get a green cscs labourer card. I recently did mine, it was paid by the job centre and it was a 1 weeks course. There are various training centres that allow you to do telescopic or dumper truck training without going through the NVQ root. I have seen some training centres offering telescopic training courses for £500, which is a 3 day course.
The cost of £900+ for ticket is stupid, fair enough 5 year renewal with first aid n other licenses add to it. There other industries that don’t have this much regulations n do question government decisions as drive tractor here in Australia you have to have truck license base on weight n size yet there’s no safety requirements like air brakes to be fitted to trailer implements.
Hi just gone through this , there is a professional interview you can do for around £200 that is recognised by nocn that runs cpcs.this is only valid until 31-12-2024. It covers all your categories in one go for the nvq2
@Olliegunns it is on the nocn group web site for cpcs card renewal. I went to a local authorised trainer to do the interview it is only one hour ish. I have my card back for 5 years now
So I have 40 years experience in the industry...City and Guilds craft certificate for Carpentry and Joinery...from 1983... Project managed multi million pound projects...have SMSTS and passed managers test but someone with an NVQ is better qualified.. what complete and utter b#*s#*t... this will ultimately push up costs as construction companies fail to meet the labour demands
I couldn't agree more. Why the original idea to slowly let IA die out as we all retired was scrapped for this mandatory NVQ idea I can only presume is to do with money. Because it has zero bearing on how safe we are before or after we get "qualified".
The competence interview I have to do is £160 pounds for a telehandler which I don't think is to bad considering how much I can then go and earn. Having these card's is much better than having any unskilled muppet driving machine's they no nothing about.
I'm not 100% sure but its worth checking with NOCN if your card will be affected. To be fair to them, they are very helpful when you ring them - it just depresses you with how much it will cost to stay up to date with all the "training" you now need....
At the moment I'm not working with no nvq, no cscs (expired) tried to get an nvq private company 2700£ but, How can you get an nvq when they requires you to be already work to collect vedios, rams,,, to achieve it?
It's not right I've had a gold card since it's inception, there wasn't any qualifications in my trade when I started 25+ years ago. I've worked on grade 1 listed buildings throughout my career including Westminster Abbey, Blenheim palace etc. I even got offered a job teaching the trade when they actually set up a college course, but now I have to pay 2k to get a nvq!!! Absolute joke!!!
What construction needs is an end to bogus self employment and price work . If they had cards in lads on a guaranteed wage and holiday pay lads would not rush work or take risks . Quality and safty would increase , this card system is just a smoke screen and we still have deaths in construction and the quality of new builds is not good enough .
I know many people who are skilled tradesmen who plaster,paint,bricklay etc but have only got the labourers card (green) to get on site. So does that mean that they will have to do their NVQ level 2 so they get the blue card to prove they are qualified in the trade that they are doing......its all really confusing this is🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
I'm not actually sure on how the labour's card will work going forward. If it expires around December this year then I would call up CSCS and see what they say. It seems to be different depending on what your card is for.
Everyone does know that for current cpcs blue cards with the industry accreditation endorsement on it you can do a Competence Interview instead of full nvq's to keep that card, so if you had 7,8,9 categories of plant you do 1 half hour interview and renew your card for 5 years. So current card holders Don't need to do an nvq......yet.... if you leave it till after 2024 then you will have to do an nvq for all the categories. So worth getting on top of it now!!!
Since doing this video, you are the 2nd person to say about this interview route. I wonder if that’s the case for other types of cars too because that’s not how it’s being presented when you research it
They would not reissue my blue card because the governing body has changed. They do not recognise my NVQ2 as being suitable. I had to go away and pay for a 2 day course with this other organisation so i could be issued a cscs card with their company stamped on it. I spent a year achieving NVQ2. Both onsite and classroom based. All of my work was submitted and verified by CITB. CITB issued my NVQ2 WITH OFQUAL. CITB would not issue the blue card with NVQ2. May as well rip it up now. Rediculous
i have cscs green card, i just want to find a labour job and then to be a skill labour and then to become a profeeion skill worker, buti sent a lot of CV...... no any response...sad
If you really want to get a job in this industry and people are ignoring your CV - then try visiting some local jobs to you and ask the site manager in the office. We have a shortage of people in this industry - someone will be keen to take on a man who shows up at the gate keen to work. Attitude is key!
I had no idea, what bollocks, we have to do what we've already done to get what we already have for 600 quid, it's hard not to see it as a cash grab, anybody out there explain what the point of this is?
Literally a money grab as far as I can tell. No need to make those of us with grandfather rights who are "safe" to work on sites this year - and yet next year we aren't. Its ridiculous and will affect 1000's of people, many of whom have no idea this is looming
my green labourers cscs card (assessed route) card expires feb 24. though i,ve never used it since i got it due to a back injury, i,m now a fork truck driver.i,d like to renew it but keep getting conflicting results on how i update it, and if i will need to do any tests etc.i did a course lasting around 3 weeks to get this then did a test at the same place people do their therory for driving. if anyone can point me in the right direction so i don,t get scammed i,d be very grateful. thankyou
Hi Paul, I think you need to do the Health and Safety within a Construction Environment Level 1 ‘Level 1 Award in Health and Safety within a Construction Environment (RQF)’ You can do it through Highfield E-Learning (not affiliated in any way, just who I did mine via) There is some online training and exams, which consists of mock exams and then a final one via Webcam which has to be in a pretty much empty room done via their online website which is 40 or 50 questions which is similar to the one at the test centre, once you have passed this you will be able to go onto do your official test (at the test centre) which will be the HS&E Test for Operatives and then you can apply for your new card. I have just done these courses but some reason straight after I did the week long SMSTS course, which I honestly struggle to make it make sense. Did the SMSTS but still had to do a Level 1 after 🤨 Anyway, Hope this helps all the best
Does your card have the letters IA after the qualification listed on the back? If it does then you have a problem. If it doesn’t then you are fine, you can always call the CSCS helpline and they will confirm if your not sure
As someone wanting to apply for a red card ASAP with no prior experience, what is the best course of action with the cards being phased out after December???
The cards arent being phased out. The "grandfather rights" is but not the actual card itself. As someone looking to apply for a red card, you want to contact your local CPCS training center and they can evaluate how much experience you have operating the machine you want to do the test for. They can then advise you on the length of training required to get you up to speed to pass your test and gain the red card. After two years, you will then have to complete an NVQ to gain your blue card which lasts for 5 years. (as those of us who previously had a card but without an NVQ under the grandfather rights scheme are also having to do.)
Been welding 25 years . Don’t have a nvq . Can’t get a card . Nvq does not mean a thing . You need to be coded . I have 4 codes . The college requires me to do the hole course. But I won’t be able to make all the classes. When I could do the hole course in one day
It's a money making racket,job creation, if they throwing obstacles in the face of workers ,then you you going to short of workers ,more people on the dole, or there go a different industry
@@Olliegunns Hi ollie im currently trying to get my cscs card/traffic marshall ticket so i can work as a traffic marshall. Do i also need a nvq qualification post dec 24? Or could i do all of these qualifications separately.
I'd love to know who owns these organisations...better still i would like to know who the underwriters are...its a racket being charged to work. The money most probably goes to some snotty nosed rich kid in london whos just left eton or Cambridge (jobs for the boys made up). Corgie and CITB was another racket... who gets the money? and where does the money go? Im a scaffolder time served 10 times over and now i used to be a scaftolder if i don't cough up £600.
I couldn't agree more. I made this video to inform lads that in a few months time they might not be able to work on site anymore but its raised more than a few eyebrows as to why the scheme has gone down this route. Clearly it has nothing to do with safety - your safe on site this year but not after December.... need to pay money to get an NVQ to be safe now..... yeah right! But until the big contractors start seeing what a racket the card system has become, we are forced to play their silly game to their rules.
It's all about jobs and generating money. You will see training schools set up job creation. Same as hgv driver card take time off work couple of hundred quid every couple of years. Do it all over again makes you wonder how the working man and woman can keep absorbing ridiculous costs that are rolling on for all their careers. Doesn't give any incentive for young people to have a job in the in both industries.
when you get too skilled, you cost more, so this is how you reset the pay grade to a price they only want to pay... there are no skilled shortages either, that is just a campaign to draw in new fodder to provide basics, to keep pushing along projects at minimum wage.
If they want use to have nvqs they can give it for free as I’m a time served joiner with 38 +yrs with city and guilds and advance I’m not paying for nvqs at all
I see it from both sides but to be honest. I went to college for 3 years to get my NVQ 3 so why should it be handed to someone who couldn't be bothered.
I meant it more for people who have been in the industry for their entire lives - I don't think their lack of qualification should stop them from working. As we both have done an NVQ, you will no doubt agree that we have learnt more on site than we have from the NVQ - although its an important first step, and no bad thing to have behind you. It certainly helped me establish my experience when I was starting out. But sending guys in their 40's and upwards back essentially to college to get an NVQ that their experience far outweighs just seems pointless to me - and discriminatory, as an NVQ wasn't around when they started.
The cscs card is the most pointless card 200 quid, it's just common sense, all this bollocks started when Labour came to power so much for Labour looking after the working class
It's a racket.......always has been. These are private companies holding the industry ransom...
Well done Ollie. I’m in this situation . Loads of courses taken over the years, gas safe registered, was Elecsa registered , NNLW asbestos, SSSTS, various c&g’s, and a HND from a previous career and I’m gonna struggle to get a CSCS card , but a kid out of college with no experience but has the NVQ can get one no problem at all. Nothing against them but if your not a youngster your pretty screwed.
Just came across your videos today and this topic ruffled my feathers as it clearly does yours and most other guys. Having done Formwork pretty much all my life, I delayed the whole CSCS thing as long as possible when it came in and took substantial jobs without it for maybe 6 years, until I couldn’t. Now, I’ve had a guts full. You’ll soon need a ticket to scratch your arse. I’m out!
I know it’s easier said than done and all principals come at a cost but we’ve let these criminals push us around and rob us blind. As a whole we all need to say no! Having all the tickets and NVQ’s in the world doesn’t make anyone and good or competent, which is even more with dangers of operating plant. You can either do it or you can’t. But if we stuck together these parasites would have no alternative to disappear and we’d be left to do what we do without subsidising them to sit on their ass at our cost.
Long winded I know but it makes me savage! 😡
I couldn’t agree more, but as the big firms are also basically on the payroll in effect as they can claim their levy back against training, none of the big players want to make a stand.
Sadly we will see a lot of people leave the big site work this year, pushed out by this change in policy. Safe today but not tomorrow - it’s pay to play disguised as safety
Big respect brother. Unfortunatly people like yourself are far and few between and as a result things will get worse and worse. The average UK resident just bends over for this kind of thing.
Spot on. Forty years in the trade and now at 56 having to do an nvq or don’t work. Where was the citb in the early eighties, all closed down. Disgusting.
Good one Ollie 👍
I think after doing the same job for over 30 odd years should stand to some sort of reference of your ability on site
After all there is absolutely no young people if a not a few going to any trade on site as past 8 to 10 years
And now there are looking 50 year old plus trades people to go and do NVQ on thing that they have been doing for years
Mad the construction industry is getting 😡😡
Great point Ray, the economic benefit to this is negative, not in the sense of card charge (although its a rip off) but to the construction industry as a whole, my forty years are up, we never had these problems, yes we had idiots who claimed they were trades, good foreman oust them very quickly, the industry has lost sight is education, trades teach trades, a good carpenter will pass on his knowledge freely if the apprentice is keen, same as all the other core trades. I find this whole thing belittling to qualified tradesmen, forcing them with a dumb paper exercise to prove there worth, and to earn there living, outrageous, I truly feel sorry for the youngsters today who want a career in an industry that can provide a good return, I agree with Ollie some of us weren't Einstein at school, but that didn't make me an idiot, I grafted and did very well, its easy to say, but the only thing you can do is rebel against it , ask mp's, councillors, etc why the difficulty in me earning a living, you do have individual "right's" and they must listen to you, your a generation of wiz kids on the computer, set up a "construction" thread that's attractive on this topic, for whatever time you have left bang on the door hard, good Luck Mark
Industry should be contesting the ridiculous and grossly unfair CLC/CSCS initiative rather than seeking to endorse.
I've held a manager's card for longer than I care to remember, renewed it this year and as you rightly said, it will expire next December and to keep it I will have to do a NVQ7 at a cost of £3500, to keep it short , well done the CITB, 35 years of experience leaving the industry next December, as I will not pay it !!
It will be a loss to the industry to see you and thousands of others leave for this reason, although I suspect what will actually happen is firms will stop requiring us to have the stupid things in the first place - or at least I hope some common sense will prevail.
Fantastic, detailed video! It's a massive outrage.
Factually incorrect video. The competence interview I have to do is only £160
@@reubydo Luck you. I find it rather impressive that you project your experience on everyone else, but you do you!
Good point regarding the lack of preparedness with red-white diesel; operators need to be on the front foot with this one.
A lot of Gold NVQ carpenters are not very good
Terrific job Ollie and very well explained (and thanks for the shout out). I wonder how many of the guys that will be impacted by this needless change are actually aware. I also wonder if they are watching LinkedIn and TH-cam.
I had no idea also my card finishes in July.and last few months studying the citb book, i just came across your website by chance today because I was studying. Now i have a chance thanks to you to change directions .
Thanks for this video explaining everything Ollie, can’t believe they are doing this when we are all going thru a tough few years ahead.
It's a money-making scheme.
35 years i have been driving in this industry. I did an 11-month plant course at the Citb Bircham Newton college when i was 17
Do I really need to do a nvq
Really interesting to learn the licensing challenges in other locations, we have some decently strict rules here in mass but a lot of the US is quite unrestricted.
My green card expired a few years ago. I asked the job centre about getting another one. I was called cold called by a college offering a 7 day online 9am - 3pm course to get a green card.
I mentioned the December cut off point to the college and got an obvious response. 😮
They seem to be willing to put me on this course, perhaps knowing it will only be valid until December.
There's just going to be a lack of experience operators on sites and the utility sector a lot worse then now
Best thing we can do is not renew and 60k not doing so the industry bodies will have to rethink this just another stealth tax???
How does a labourer get a nvq in labouring what they going to get tested in sweeping up
green card it’s literally nvq level one
This is outrageous , Iam an electrician 40 years experience, gold card since 2005 and I will loose it in the new year . Like many I will not bother and be a taxi driver instead . This at a time when experienced trades men are hard to come by .
U can get the card but the asbestos awareness HSe wont keep u on site after two years you get thrown off site . Then the job centre fixes another rig to keep the assos the extra 23.5o every two years most of the new builds are crap now cause the skills gone
What else do you need a card or statement of competency for? would you need it simply to enter a work site? What about erecting scaffold, using a disc cutter? A banksmen?
on uk sites you need tickets for everything! all wants renewing every three-five years, cscs, banks man, slinging, confined space, abrasive wheels, dumper, roller, excavator, first aid, street works, cat and genny, probably more that i have missed but that is just to be a groundworker 😂 overkill! not sure how it works having your own company but thats to work for the big housing firms! taylor wimpeys even want you to go for a weeks training to learn their own in house ticket even they have realised they can make money of our backs
we work on data centers and airports in Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Germany we are a group of Irish excavator operators we don't need any cards we all have them we are 6 years working and never had to show any card's
+VAT on a requirement for trades people who are valuable people to have working and producing on sites.... The world is goosed
All this is highly frustrating.
I an 61 a subcontractor there are 12 jobs asking me for a price and labour sod this its time to call it a day
I’m a 53 year old
Joiner on sites I’m having to go back ti the beginning and do an NVQ level 2 online. I’ve to provide online evidence videos, photographs, coursework etc
The industry will Grind to a halt with no workers in 2024
I had a black cscs card they call managers and professionals , i cant renew it because i dont have an nvq. Im a site manager 49 years old and im not doing an nvq level 6 at my age when i have years of experience and an smsts cert. I emailed the construction leadership council that came up with this idea , they are not interested. I did say that now im going for an operatives green cscs card. I know a lot of people are doung tbe same , i sooke to course providers and labour agencies. So on small to medium size projects the site manager will have an operatives card instead of a managers card. These size projects or companies dont necessarily ask for a cscs. I have just started a £2 2 million project and they are letting me go ahead with a green operatives card. Only the tier 1 contractors will insist on black cards. I also have to do a one day h and s course to apply for my green card. Its complete madness. And i can only assume its about money , so im finding it hard to take this industry seriously nowadays.
I made this video to make people aware of the approaching deadline. But its turned into something more than that. Sadly, so many people are either leaving the industry, or finding work arounds to keep working. None of it though has improved safety, productivity, or upskilled the workforce in any meaningful way. The representatives that watch over our industry have truly lost their way, and your story, along with so many others proves that. I wish you the best of luck navigating through all this.
@@Olliegunns thank you for your reply Ollie , sorry I've only just seen the notification. Thanks for making the video as well , it seems this has affected a lot of people. All the best.
I’m pretty sure that they accept City&Guilds craft, advanced craft and indentured apprenticeships for Skilled Worker cards. Not always nvqs
That's good but not much use if you are in your 40's or 50's and don't want to go back to school just to continue working in an industry that you have for over 20 years! How can we be safe this year but not next year? I'm all for upskilling the workforce and training people but this doesn't benefit anyone except the training companies and the CITB!
Yes they do I,m 58 just got a gold CsCs card I have City and Guilds up to advanced craft in Bricklaying...all I had to do was send photo evidence of my Certificates to the CSCS card providers
CPCS was always just a money making scheme, You don't get out of bed and forget how to operate a machine. H&S has become a joke and I am glad I left operating plant in 2016. I am now a LGV class 1 driver and love it. Operating plant should be based on ability and experience not a piece of plastic. I had 360 wheeled and tracked, 180 and articulated dumptrucks and am fully experience on all of them. I bet I could hop on a machine now like I could in 2016 and be as good as I was. Its a load of nonsense and I am glad I am out of it.
Well explained Ollie. And nice audio with that new mic I heard 😎
I thought my card was going to run out. I rang them up and they’ve extended it. if you have history with them, they will extend it automatically please ring up. before giving up.
They just extended it without you having to do the touchscreen test or anything? Maybe this is a change of direction from CSCS
I'm cpcs and have a nvq,my brother has a npors ticket and seams to think it doesn't affect him?
I asked cscs what a nvq 2 joiner is not qualified to do that a nvq 3 joiner is since they say the industry wants a fully qualified workforce
I asked what happens if i am asked to do an operation i have been doing for 40 years but am now not qualified to do and what happens if there is an accident and i am injured doing an operation i am no longer qualified to do or if i refuse to do said operation because i am not qualified to do it
They could not give me an answer
Fortunately i have C&G craft so i now have a blue card but have used an IA gold card since 1998 and am now semi retired at 61yo and now despise this industry
I have also been on a few site recently that dont even ask for these god forsaken cards
Its such a shame that good experienced time served tradesmen such as yourself are being effectively driven out of the industry by an industry body that is meant to represent us. We know there is no reasonable justification for bringing the grandfather rights scheme to an end early. Its profiteering masked as a safety improvement. I hope more sites will start to buck the trend and let skilled trades work despite not having a card.
You know the way around it is to do a days classroom time and become a "labourer" with a green card..... Pathetic that its come to that really
@@Olliegunns Large construction firms up here in the north east will only allow you to do what is on your card you cannot operate as a joiner etc with a green card on sites run by McAlpines etc
Just get a green cscs labourer card. I recently did mine, it was paid by the job centre and it was a 1 weeks course. There are various training centres that allow you to do telescopic or dumper truck training without going through the NVQ root. I have seen some training centres offering telescopic training courses for £500, which is a 3 day course.
You missed the point. They wont be able to work on site post dec 24 without a valid nvq specific to the job role
@@dzinkz im currently trying to get a cscs card can i do a seperate nvq qualifcation and would that be allowed post dec 24?
The cost of £900+ for ticket is stupid, fair enough 5 year renewal with first aid n other licenses add to it. There other industries that don’t have this much regulations n do question government decisions as drive tractor here in Australia you have to have truck license base on weight n size yet there’s no safety requirements like air brakes to be fitted to trailer implements.
I’ve been a fully time served joiner since 1982 & can produce my indentured certificate does this not count for something?
Hi just gone through this , there is a professional interview you can do for around £200 that is recognised by nocn that runs cpcs.this is only valid until 31-12-2024. It covers all your categories in one go for the nvq2
Where is this information? I’ve had a lot of interest in this video and many people, including myself, simply don’t know!
@Olliegunns it is on the nocn group web site for cpcs card renewal. I went to a local authorised trainer to do the interview it is only one hour ish. I have my card back for 5 years now
So I have 40 years experience in the industry...City and Guilds craft certificate for Carpentry and Joinery...from 1983... Project managed multi million pound projects...have SMSTS and passed managers test but someone with an NVQ is better qualified.. what complete and utter b#*s#*t... this will ultimately push up costs as construction companies fail to meet the labour demands
I couldn't agree more. Why the original idea to slowly let IA die out as we all retired was scrapped for this mandatory NVQ idea I can only presume is to do with money. Because it has zero bearing on how safe we are before or after we get "qualified".
The competence interview I have to do is £160 pounds for a telehandler which I don't think is to bad considering how much I can then go and earn. Having these card's is much better than having any unskilled muppet driving machine's they no nothing about.
No legal obligation to have one!!
Thank you for this great video. Quick question - Is industry Accreditation the same as Industry Assessed?
I'm not 100% sure but its worth checking with NOCN if your card will be affected. To be fair to them, they are very helpful when you ring them - it just depresses you with how much it will cost to stay up to date with all the "training" you now need....
At the moment I'm not working with no nvq, no cscs (expired) tried to get an nvq private company 2700£ but, How can you get an nvq when they requires you to be already work to collect vedios, rams,,, to achieve it?
It's not right I've had a gold card since it's inception, there wasn't any qualifications in my trade when I started 25+ years ago. I've worked on grade 1 listed buildings throughout my career including Westminster Abbey, Blenheim palace etc. I even got offered a job teaching the trade when they actually set up a college course, but now I have to pay 2k to get a nvq!!! Absolute joke!!!
Please whats the best thing to do
What construction needs is an end to bogus self employment and price work . If they had cards in lads on a guaranteed wage and holiday pay lads would not rush work or take risks . Quality and safty would increase , this card system is just a smoke screen and we still have deaths in construction and the quality of new builds is not good enough .
I couldn't agree more
I know many people who are skilled tradesmen who plaster,paint,bricklay etc but have only got the labourers card (green) to get on site. So does that mean that they will have to do their NVQ level 2 so they get the blue card to prove they are qualified in the trade that they are doing......its all really confusing this is🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
I'm not actually sure on how the labour's card will work going forward. If it expires around December this year then I would call up CSCS and see what they say. It seems to be different depending on what your card is for.
@@Olliegunns ok mate thank you for the reply 👍🏻
There is something wrong when people willing to work, can't get on with the job
Quite agree with you Carl. It's not as if wages justify it all. No wonder people feel angry money is hard enough to earn as it is.
Hii I have dumper ticket npros but no have Cscs logo recently I pass citb test can u tell me how I put Cscs logo
Everyone does know that for current cpcs blue cards with the industry accreditation endorsement on it you can do a Competence Interview instead of full nvq's to keep that card, so if you had 7,8,9 categories of plant you do 1 half hour interview and renew your card for 5 years. So current card holders Don't need to do an nvq......yet.... if you leave it till after 2024 then you will have to do an nvq for all the categories. So worth getting on top of it now!!!
Since doing this video, you are the 2nd person to say about this interview route. I wonder if that’s the case for other types of cars too because that’s not how it’s being presented when you research it
@@Olliegunns it's only the CPCS cards. Npors and the CSR cards over here in northern Ireland aren't offering this competence interview route
They would not reissue my blue card because the governing body has changed. They do not recognise my NVQ2 as being suitable. I had to go away and pay for a 2 day course with this other organisation so i could be issued a cscs card with their company stamped on it. I spent a year achieving NVQ2. Both onsite and classroom based. All of my work was submitted and verified by CITB. CITB issued my NVQ2 WITH OFQUAL. CITB would not issue the blue card with NVQ2. May as well rip it up now. Rediculous
i have cscs green card, i just want to find a labour job and then to be a skill labour and then to become a profeeion skill worker, buti sent a lot of CV...... no any response...sad
If you really want to get a job in this industry and people are ignoring your CV - then try visiting some local jobs to you and ask the site manager in the office. We have a shortage of people in this industry - someone will be keen to take on a man who shows up at the gate keen to work. Attitude is key!
@@Olliegunns how will this effect general labourers and skilled labourers ?
I had no idea, what bollocks, we have to do what we've already done to get what we already have for 600 quid, it's hard not to see it as a cash grab, anybody out there explain what the point of this is?
Literally a money grab as far as I can tell. No need to make those of us with grandfather rights who are "safe" to work on sites this year - and yet next year we aren't. Its ridiculous and will affect 1000's of people, many of whom have no idea this is looming
my green labourers cscs card (assessed route) card expires feb 24. though i,ve never used it since i got it due to a back injury, i,m now a fork truck driver.i,d like to renew it but keep getting conflicting results on how i update it, and if i will need to do any tests etc.i did a course lasting around 3 weeks to get this then did a test at the same place people do their therory for driving. if anyone can point me in the right direction so i don,t get scammed i,d be very grateful. thankyou
Hi Paul,
I think you need to do the Health and Safety within a Construction Environment Level 1
‘Level 1 Award in Health and Safety within a Construction Environment (RQF)’
You can do it through Highfield E-Learning (not affiliated in any way, just who I did mine via)
There is some online training and exams, which consists of mock exams and then a final one via Webcam which has to be in a pretty much empty room done via their online website which is 40 or 50 questions which is similar to the one at the test centre, once you have passed this you will be able to go onto do your official test (at the test centre) which will be the HS&E Test for Operatives and then you can apply for your new card.
I have just done these courses but some reason straight after I did the week long SMSTS course, which I honestly struggle to make it make sense.
Did the SMSTS but still had to do a Level 1 after 🤨
Anyway, Hope this helps all the best
Please how can I apply for the NVQ level 1or 2.
Do i need a cscs card if I've already got a telehandler cpcs card?
Ahh well that won’t be a problem for me as I’ve never had any of these stupid money spinning cards !.
How can I get to apply to have the cscs card
So not point even getting a Cscs card now then?
Do you have to have these NVQ’s for private use of owned machine on your own land? Not operating machines for paid work?
Well no is the simple answer. Anyone can buy a machine and drive it as you could a car on private land.
On the big sites is all
So let me get this right? I did my nvq level 2&3 in 2003/2004....am i classed as grandfather rights? 🙈
Does your card have the letters IA after the qualification listed on the back? If it does then you have a problem. If it doesn’t then you are fine, you can always call the CSCS helpline and they will confirm if your not sure
@@Olliegunnsno A but what is worrying is that my new card expires in 2024 when my CSCS and sssts expire in 2025?
As someone wanting to apply for a red card ASAP with no prior experience, what is the best course of action with the cards being phased out after December???
The cards arent being phased out. The "grandfather rights" is but not the actual card itself. As someone looking to apply for a red card, you want to contact your local CPCS training center and they can evaluate how much experience you have operating the machine you want to do the test for. They can then advise you on the length of training required to get you up to speed to pass your test and gain the red card.
After two years, you will then have to complete an NVQ to gain your blue card which lasts for 5 years. (as those of us who previously had a card but without an NVQ under the grandfather rights scheme are also having to do.)
Im not falling for this anymore. I refuse to do anything with these robbing bastards!
It's a 💰 money making screw holding trades to ransom. There will be less operators about . Tickets should have been for life , or until your 65 . No.
Could it be classed as discrimination?
Link me on all these.
They basically don't like us earning money
Been welding 25 years . Don’t have a nvq . Can’t get a card . Nvq does not mean a thing . You need to be coded . I have 4 codes . The college requires me to do the hole course. But I won’t be able to make all the classes. When I could do the hole course in one day
It's a money making racket,job creation, if they throwing obstacles in the face of workers ,then you you going to short of workers ,more people on the dole, or there go a different industry
£1300 for gold in london
Is anything changing for cpcs
If you have your tickets through industry accreditation and haven’t completed an NVQ for the category’s you hold then yes this applies to you
@@Olliegunns Hi ollie im currently trying to get my cscs card/traffic marshall ticket so i can work as a traffic marshall. Do i also need a nvq qualification post dec 24? Or could i do all of these qualifications separately.
I'd love to know who owns these organisations...better still i would like to know who the underwriters are...its a racket being charged to work. The money most probably goes to some snotty nosed rich kid in london whos just left eton or Cambridge (jobs for the boys made up). Corgie and CITB was another racket... who gets the money? and where does the money go? Im a scaffolder time served 10 times over and now i used to be a scaftolder if i don't cough up £600.
I couldn't agree more. I made this video to inform lads that in a few months time they might not be able to work on site anymore but its raised more than a few eyebrows as to why the scheme has gone down this route. Clearly it has nothing to do with safety - your safe on site this year but not after December.... need to pay money to get an NVQ to be safe now..... yeah right!
But until the big contractors start seeing what a racket the card system has become, we are forced to play their silly game to their rules.
It's all about jobs and generating money. You will see training schools set up job creation. Same as hgv driver card take time off work couple of hundred quid every couple of years. Do it all over again makes you wonder how the working man and woman can keep absorbing ridiculous costs that are rolling on for all their careers. Doesn't give any incentive for young people to have a job in the in both industries.
when you get too skilled, you cost more, so this is how you reset the pay grade to a price they only want to pay... there are no skilled shortages either, that is just a campaign to draw in new fodder to provide basics, to keep pushing along projects at minimum wage.
ANOTHER TAXATION
If they want use to have nvqs they can give it for free as I’m a time served joiner with 38 +yrs with city and guilds and advance I’m not paying for nvqs at all
I always thought city and guilds was the same as a NVQ ,I did my city and guilds too,a two year course at college
NVQ- means Not Very Qualified
I see it from both sides but to be honest. I went to college for 3 years to get my NVQ 3 so why should it be handed to someone who couldn't be bothered.
I meant it more for people who have been in the industry for their entire lives - I don't think their lack of qualification should stop them from working. As we both have done an NVQ, you will no doubt agree that we have learnt more on site than we have from the NVQ - although its an important first step, and no bad thing to have behind you. It certainly helped me establish my experience when I was starting out. But sending guys in their 40's and upwards back essentially to college to get an NVQ that their experience far outweighs just seems pointless to me - and discriminatory, as an NVQ wasn't around when they started.
The cscs card is the most pointless card 200 quid, it's just common sense, all this bollocks started when Labour came to power so much for Labour looking after the working class
Usual red tape strangling all industries. "Were struggling to fill the skilled trades gap"... 'Great Britain' lol
3 months lol
They all become AI programmers😂
Look who’s complaining about having things to do the six months course when I had to do a four year course as a fucking teenager😂😂😂