John Sheldon was the maker of the writing companion , 1184 was the model number , this would be common knowledge in 1866 and that's why it was ignored .
I think the best evidence it would provide would be a "No earlier than..." date for the body going into the river. The "1184" is what shows that the name belonged to the maker, rather than the owner. Here's an image of a "John Sheldon 1184 Pencil holder, with the same production date.
I was unsure about the AI until about 15:15, the animated voice and face was really quite visually pleasing and adds to the presentation, that's pretty cool. Makes the video more dynamic, without taking away from your narration. This case is really quite neat, never heard of it
Wonderful stuff Richard. I'm really enjoying these diversions from the core "Ripper" stories and taking a deeper dive into other areas of Macabre Victoriana. It's proving very inspirational for my "Cthulhu by Gaslight" project! Is there a particular source that you would recommend for a good dive into the History of the Thames Embankment that also covers the tunnels and troglodytes nearby? Or would those be two separate areas of study?
Thanks Andrew. That's a tricky one. The Embankment is covered in lots of histories on the Victorian era, as are the Adelphi arches. But I'm not aware of one that deals with both as a comprehensive study. I'm going to be making several videos about them in the months ahead.
@@JackTheRipperTours No worries, I've got a few to go at already and I'll be able to pick at them bit by bit. I've seen and read a couple of things where both crop up in the same sort of discourse, as if they naturally tie into sinmilar subject matter, and I'm trying to get a handle on that aspect.
With the technology we have in forensics these days, would that not be grounds to exhume the remains and conduct a DNA test as well as a facial reconstruction? Or is there no record of where the remains are now?
Well dressed and clearly of high standing and yet nobody noticed he'd gone? Not robbed because he still had the gold teeth and other expensive items. So did he have a heart attack and fall in the river? It is odd that the key, the outfit and the teeth couldn't be traced, sounds fishy as recording makers and beneficiaries of items were a well known occupation of the Victorians.
Wild stab in the dark - he may have been a Mr John Sheldon who was given a silver pencil case on 8th April 1842? Why was there no research as to who this John Sheldon was?
The Bazelgette family are still in London: Peter Bazalgette, the great-great Grandson of the amazing engineer, is a hugely successful TV Executive and a Billionaire.
People have been jumping ( suicides) & dead bodies thrown in the Thames for centuries. The tide is so strong they either turn up along the shore or never seen again. For a body to rot & remain relatively intact and with artifacts a deep hole ( grave) must've been dug at low tide & covered, to make sure it wasn't washed ashore.
I feel like, if this case is still unsolved, that isotope analysis and DNA testing would be useful in identifying the skeleton. During this period London boomed due to a population growth caused by the number of people moving in to find work so he might not have necessarily been a native of London but rather was from outside the area, perhaps not even from England itself but Ireland, Scotland or Wales. If we had an idea of where he grew up we could trace his journey from birth to demise thus narrowing down genealogical research. And DNA analysis could help us do genetic genealogy in order to identify him. By finding any collateral and direct descendants and tracing their lineage back to a certain period we could pinpoint the identity of the man, thus working with the isotope analysis results.
Can we trust the science and skill of coroners and cops and the manner of inquests at the time, let alone the word of their witnesses? Between all the biases and the lack of common sense, let alone science at the time, their conclusions seem meaningless as a rule. Coroners often declared a death natural despite tremendous circumstantial evidence. How many of the people poisoned spouse after spouse, for instance, and were not detected until the 20th death or something? This probably did not have to be yet another of their mysteries. Who knows. I think I have become more annoyed than intrigued by the Victorians. Lol
His lack of teeth indicate good living !I have seven lower teeth and only one upper jaw tooth and have dental plates and just passed middle aged ,the pencil case wow ,I rarely show my teeth and the chap was slippery and carried a knife sounds like a gambler but why didn’t he lose his gold teeth as betting fodder, he must have been rich enough to to cover all bets.sad skeleton in Thames for more than two decades,jury did not agree😮an intriguing investigation that begs solving a name to the skeleton a must know now!rip my dear fellow.
Are these actual actors or AI, if the latter theyre the best ive seen. Seems like the remains could likely be thise of a retired militsry officer rather than a serving officer at time of his demise.
The AI adds a lot to the telling of the story. My only suggestion would be to blur the background, as it is in focus while the AI faces are slightly out of focus.
Why do they not extract DNA from either the bones or tooth pulp and cheque against a register to see if there are any potential "hits" from ancestral DNA.
This was an intriguing and well-researched video. It amazes me sometimes how we can simultaneously know so much, and still so little, about the past.
I would have thought the inscription of "John Sheldon 1184, April 8th 1842" would have been a fantastic piece of evidence.
John Sheldon was the maker of the writing companion , 1184 was the model number , this would be common knowledge in 1866 and that's why it was ignored .
I think the best evidence it would provide would be a "No earlier than..." date for the body going into the river. The "1184" is what shows that the name belonged to the maker, rather than the owner. Here's an image of a "John Sheldon 1184 Pencil holder, with the same production date.
You didn’t really listen to it, did you?
A really interesting tale. Thanks for covering it.
I was unsure about the AI until about 15:15, the animated voice and face was really quite visually pleasing and adds to the presentation, that's pretty cool. Makes the video more dynamic, without taking away from your narration. This case is really quite neat, never heard of it
Thank you, Mr. Jones, for this newest intriguing video!
You truly are a talented storyteller.
Such a strange tale
Always interesting videos and a great voice for narration.
Well done . Fascinating tale . Thank you .
John Sheldon was the maker of the item and 1184 the model number , thats why it was ignored .
Excellent video, thank you for all the work you put into doing these for us!
Excited to see more than just stories around the famous conical five…love this channel. ❤
This was quite interesting. Thank you!
Wonderful stuff Richard. I'm really enjoying these diversions from the core "Ripper" stories and taking a deeper dive into other areas of Macabre Victoriana. It's proving very inspirational for my "Cthulhu by Gaslight" project!
Is there a particular source that you would recommend for a good dive into the History of the Thames Embankment that also covers the tunnels and troglodytes nearby? Or would those be two separate areas of study?
Thanks Andrew. That's a tricky one. The Embankment is covered in lots of histories on the Victorian era, as are the Adelphi arches. But I'm not aware of one that deals with both as a comprehensive study. I'm going to be making several videos about them in the months ahead.
@@JackTheRipperTours No worries, I've got a few to go at already and I'll be able to pick at them bit by bit. I've seen and read a couple of things where both crop up in the same sort of discourse, as if they naturally tie into sinmilar subject matter, and I'm trying to get a handle on that aspect.
the best channel on youtube i wish he did a JTR tour for me
Always Interesting Richard. Thx
With the technology we have in forensics these days, would that not be grounds to exhume the remains and conduct a DNA test as well as a facial reconstruction? Or is there no record of where the remains are now?
Interesting story ,very well done .❤
How odd to be married to someone and not know if they had false teeth.
Thank you Richard.
Thank you Richard, will watch tonight 👍
This was a good one, Richard. Very intresting to follow. May i ask what AI software you used for the talking heads?
Great video. What software are you using for the AI video sequences?
It a shame history only reflects politicians, tv/movie stars..etc and not everyday people who are far more interesting
Well dressed and clearly of high standing and yet nobody noticed he'd gone? Not robbed because he still had the gold teeth and other expensive items. So did he have a heart attack and fall in the river?
It is odd that the key, the outfit and the teeth couldn't be traced, sounds fishy as recording makers and beneficiaries of items were a well known occupation of the Victorians.
Absolutely fascinating and you have a very calming and easy listening voice❤thank you😊
Wild stab in the dark - he may have been a Mr John Sheldon who was given a silver pencil case on 8th April 1842? Why was there no research as to who this John Sheldon was?
Pretty sure police looked into it and found nothing. They were active on the case since it caught media attention.
John Sheldon was the manufacturer of the pencil case.
The Bazelgette family are still in London: Peter Bazalgette, the great-great Grandson of the amazing engineer, is a hugely successful TV Executive and a Billionaire.
People have been jumping ( suicides) & dead bodies thrown in the Thames for centuries.
The tide is so strong they either turn up along the shore or never seen again.
For a body to rot & remain relatively intact and with artifacts a deep hole ( grave) must've been dug at low tide & covered, to make sure it wasn't washed ashore.
Enjoyed that’s thanks well done 😊
Excellent 👍🏻
OUTSTANDING ! WOW ! NICE ONE THANK YOU MR. RICHARD JONES. FROM, U.K. (2024).
Fascinating story x
How could she not know if her husband had false teeth.
The AI -animated people were really cool! Nice touch.😊😊
👍as usual 👋Richard🙂
Unfortunately bodies were thrown in the Thames since early humans populated England ,I have wondered what is lying under the sand under the Thames
Wow Richard. CGI makes it seem very real..
I feel like, if this case is still unsolved, that isotope analysis and DNA testing would be useful in identifying the skeleton. During this period London boomed due to a population growth caused by the number of people moving in to find work so he might not have necessarily been a native of London but rather was from outside the area, perhaps not even from England itself but Ireland, Scotland or Wales. If we had an idea of where he grew up we could trace his journey from birth to demise thus narrowing down genealogical research. And DNA analysis could help us do genetic genealogy in order to identify him. By finding any collateral and direct descendants and tracing their lineage back to a certain period we could pinpoint the identity of the man, thus working with the isotope analysis results.
Let's just be honest, you did the AI segment because you wanted to, not because you needed to. 😂
Love your videos and this was very interesting but I'm afraid I can't get on with the AI heads. They freak me out a bit xx
Can we trust the science and skill of coroners and cops and the manner of inquests at the time, let alone the word of their witnesses? Between all the biases and the lack of common sense, let alone science at the time, their conclusions seem meaningless as a rule. Coroners often declared a death natural despite tremendous circumstantial evidence. How many of the people poisoned spouse after spouse, for instance, and were not detected until the 20th death or something? This probably did not have to be yet another of their mysteries. Who knows. I think I have become more annoyed than intrigued by the Victorians. Lol
I think today with all of our technology we may be able to find out more about him
Thanks for the AI disclaimer at the start. I'll watch something else.
His lack of teeth indicate good living !I have seven lower teeth and only one upper jaw tooth and have dental plates and just passed middle aged ,the pencil case wow ,I rarely show my teeth and the chap was slippery and carried a knife sounds like a gambler but why didn’t he lose his gold teeth as betting fodder, he must have been rich enough to to cover all bets.sad skeleton in Thames for more than two decades,jury did not agree😮an intriguing investigation that begs solving a name to the skeleton a must know now!rip my dear fellow.
Everyone carried a knife.
Interesting mystery. I must say that the AI was not awful.
So who is John Sheldon?
The watchmaker.
Google him. He was a clever maker of toys, pencils and silversmith, Birmingham 1802-1863
Are these actual actors or AI, if the latter theyre the best ive seen. Seems like the remains could likely be thise of a retired militsry officer rather than a serving officer at time of his demise.
The AI adds a lot to the telling of the story. My only suggestion would be to blur the background, as it is in focus while the AI faces are slightly out of focus.
Why do they not extract DNA from either the bones or tooth pulp and cheque against a register to see if there are any potential "hits" from ancestral DNA.
I'm curious what the 1184 means.
The pencil case model number.
What a coincidence my surname is sheldon
A Waterman a watchmana night watchman
Really liked the use of AI on this video, helped bring it to life
Great story! I thought the AI worked nicely and brought it to life.
Not a fan of the AI. I enjoyed the video, nonetheless.
Captain kidd maybe or a pirate
What is the AI software or program used? The way it works here baffles me.
Very interesting watch. AI segments? Which were they? Lol. The talking heads worked well.
A true. London. Mystery. Poor. Man. Lost. Then. Found. With. No. Identity. Would. Have. Liked. To. Have. Seen. The teeth. ?
Love your vids, you're a fantastic storyteller and thank you for the honesty but the AI lowers the quality, they are much better without it.
Lechmere dunit as per usual or perhaps ma Lechmere ¿ .
AI is ok but the faces are blurred because of the background
Would be nice if you checked it before posting
Is it the Irish hide and seek champion?
I love the AI. For me it really helps bring the past to life.
Too creepy. Asa fan, please stop with the AI.