For sure! Sadly he was my first unit lost during my playthrough. It was chapter 5, but I feel like everyone is guaranteed to lose at least one unit in that chapter since it’s one of the toughest.
Poor male robin being stuck in a game where female locked classes were the best they’d ever been 😭 at least he doesn’t lose out on any fast recruitments like male byleth
Male Robin does have decent benefits, like getting to marry units like Anna and most notably the manaketes. I had him marry Nowi and the kids are absolutely busted
Galeforce is so good. The male only class that has a good skill is Dread Fighter which makes them hit harder on player phase, but I'd rather move again
I love Anna in awakening because she was I think my first trickster (I killed Gaius) so her animations were unique to me and I love them and I love shopkeeps that become allies
After hearing your glowing introduction to Libra, I have to cone out and say… I failed to recruit him on my first Awakening run, way back in 2013. Along with Kellam, Gaius, and Tharja, I somehow did not register that I could talk to named characters to add them to my roster until I saw people online talking about these characters.
Virion segment was fascinating. First tierlist that popped up when I googled the game 6 months ago put him as second worst unit in the game ahead of only donnel. Kinda reminds me of how surprisingly fragmented our community resources are that trying to find reputable information on the games yields a reddit tierlist or youtube thumbnail from 6 years ago.
The community has "archer bad" ingrained pretty heavily because of the emphasis on GBA games... Heck, if you look at my 'bad units tier list' i had him on it less than a year ago. But the big man deserves better 💜
@DaniDoyle it's kind of a shame binding blade's unpromoted archers are so statistically poor, because otherwise it would've been a great demonstration of how archers just need users with stats and player phase to put in work. At least engage showed bows can be a great weapon type even without massive range boosts, even if archers aren't the ones taking advantage. Hoping that design pattern is carried forward over bowrange+ skills.
Hot take but sol>gale force in late game on Robin. Both is best but like late game maps are swarms of enemies. Early game second sealing Robin to Merc lets you still have good magical output with a levin sword, armsthrift keeps your weapon good and then eventually you get sol and second seal over to dark flier once you've hit level 10 promoted. Robins mad experience gain makes it so the build still comes together well but it allows you to tank SWARMS of enemies even on lunatic and lunatic+ with a luck based pair up. God Robin is a mad unit.
Regarding Libra, I always ignored him completely due to not really liking Prepromotes, and i happened to have him and my lvl 10/5 lissa right beside each other and realised that he is better than her in every single way at that moment, despite having 4 less levels than her
The thing you missed about sniper is that it's arguably one of the best classes for lategame Lunatic+, and is excellent for Grima since it's got the only brave physical weapon that doesn't proc their pavise
As strong as female Robin is, I will never not pair up Chrom with his boyfriend male Robin. It just makes sense that as a result Chrom ends up having to marry an absolute stranger *cough* Olivia *cough* just to keep up appearances (Chrom!Inigo is my favourite parent option. He works really well as a prince just with his general demeanour and with his Chrom and Lucina supports)
I’m a big fan of Chrom/Sully, he deserves to get proposed to and be able to enjoy the same hobbies with his wife (training forever). Also makes Kjelle’s “let me solo everything” attitude have a new context when she really is a eugenics superbaby and knows how future Chrom passed away.
Through the power of mods you can male chrom act out on the emotions he feels when he stares into your eyes yearningly in the intro cutscene with the power of mods you can also make lucina exist as a queer couple baby, unlike *cough cough* niles kana
As someone who actually used Henry as soon as he got him, those meme-like growths ended up turning him into an unreasonably strong Berserker who can effectively Nosferatu-tank without magic: if you can get him promo'd into Dark Knight he can pick up Lifetaker to recover HP on KO, then you Second Seal him into Berserker for Wrath and a huge HP stat. You have to get his Axe level up some, sure, but effectively you can just throw the dude into a pile of enemies, and he is constantly landing crits, healing himself, and fluctuating from half HP to max, if he's not just outright dodging everything.
@@Nosretep Oh absolutely. I just loved having his silly little head on the big Berserker body, and thought it was funny he can do well shifted from mage to melee.
Commenting again, after watching through the video once and being inspired to start a fresh Awakening run. Watching this is a fascinating example of how different my experience with Fire Emblem is compared to most TH-camrs I’ve seen. Lunatic and Lunatic+ being the standard for discussion makes things weird to parse for someone like me, who decided those modes were not fun after failing the prologue dozens of times and eventually getting stuck on the port chapter and never touched them again. Tiering male and female Robin separately isn’t something I ever would’ve thought of, because I don’t conceptualize them as separate characters. I don’t agree with penalizing male Robin as heavily - if Chrom is game-defining even without Galeforce, male Robin is too, even if he’s slightly less game-defining than female Robin - but I understand your reasoning, and the comedy of ranking him beneath Virion. I think Donnel belongs in “offers something unique,” because that is an entirely true statement, and although feeding him EXP does require extra effort, it’s totally feasible when you aren’t playing on Lunatic, and especially if you’re like me and tend to play maps at a leisurely pace. Bottom of “offers something unique,” certainly, because he’s very playstyle-dependent and not at all conducive to what I understand is the generally preferred way to play FE, but I think it’s where he belongs. Plus it would give you another person to rank above male Robin to make even more people mad.
What unique thing does Donnel offer? As I said in the tear criteria, the unique thing offered must be something valuable and the only unique attribute Donnel has is the villager class, which is the worst class in the game. His stats/combat are not unique from other units in awakening, even when trained, especially if we're referring to lower difficulties.
@@DaniDoyle Ah, I think I read “offers something unique” a bit literally. I was thinking “he offers a gameplay narrative very different from other units.” His trash-to-incredible arc is, in my opinion, distinct from the fine-to-great arc that most Awakening units provide. But yeah, that’s not really the point of your list, and in terms of contributions to clearing the game Donnel has nothing special to offer.
I'm still very surprised to see Sumia so high and I'm just not sure I can agree - given how awful she is on her actual join map (compared to Kellam, who actually is REALLY Good on his join map, which is the same map) has to drop her down for me a bit.
Chrom ended up marrying sumia in my play through, which was unfortunate because she was severely underleveled as she hardly ever showed up on the battlefield until the last two chapters of the games first half. So throughout the entirety of the second half, she just kind of sat by chroms side as his useless sidekick. But I didn’t have the nerve to let lucina’s mom die.
Not a comment on your tier list, but the two people mad at you in the comments for overvaluing gale force both have Bananas for their avatars and are using identical arguments. idk i just think it’s funny
Gaius is one of the most effective dodge tanks and one of the few units that will not get doubled during the end game on higher difficulty. Plus, skill stat based skills get high rates. My guess: if those are what you're looking for, Gaius is one of the best. But he is a unit that needs work. Not the worst in that regard, but he requires more than some.
Rightful King kind of sucks but Chrom does get an actual good 'unique' skill: Dual Strike+ (this is also why mrobin, while worse than frobin, isn't massively disadvantaged: he can jump off chrom and onto lucina when she joins and now you have both chrom + his wife AND robin + lucina who can run around obliterating people with an S support boosted by Dual Strike+)
I'd argue Nowi is above average due to her growths guaranteeing she'll be at least bulky. 1-2 range being very useful and getting the ability to take out wyverns pretty easily. She's like an armored knight on steroids, ignore my biases
I've never played Lunatic, so I can't speak to that, but playing on Hard and seeing how absurd her growths are, I can't see how she'd be anything less than above average. The growths are absolutely insane. I only used her because "cute dragon girl" with 2 range is funny as hell, but she ended up being one of my main tanks since I lost Kellam in a damn paralogue meaning until she leveled enough, literally only Frederick could really tank anything. Everyone else, like Chrom, had decent defenses, but they weren't guarding the more dangerous chokes because even on hard, the enemy attack stats are kind of insane at times once they start getting Steel weapons. Plus she also has a decent res stat, so she could take an elthunder without immediately dying.
Personally I feel like galeforce is definitely good but not enough to make a unit who doesn't get it garbage, things like nos tanking are enemy phase centric, and galeforce is irrelevant on enemy phase. Galeforce alone definitely doesn't separate the two Robins by an entire tier
@AlexaRobin21 A lot of maps are route maps anyways, and gunning straight for the boss can be unreliable. Either you fail to reach them or fail to beat them, plus you lose out on everything else the maps offer
Enjoyed this video a lot! Don’t know if I fully agree with how much M!Robin was penalized for not being F!Robin within the context of the tiers provided, but that’s a minor point in all.
There are differences and overall female robin is 100% better than male robin. But by a whole tier, male Robin's main weakness is no gale force and no s support with chrom, the former only mattering late game when you are steamrolling anyway and the ladder being ultimately minimal as just pair robin with someone else like lucina if you really need the s support boosts
It’s not even fully true since male Robin is the best pairing for Cordelia (or sumia) to facilitate her getting galeforce by chapter 14-15 and then passing it to both severa and female Morgan, allowing one to raze through the rest of lunatic mode with them. I hear female Robin gets galeforce quicker but that’s probably only true if one allows use of the renown seal and even then that means turning Robin into a pegasus in the middle of an arc filled with axe enemies, without an OP pair up to kill everything via dual strikes.
@AstraProc the argument here isn't about their kids. Female robin has access to an s support with chrom meaning if you need to you can just do a crobin solo better with female robin but this point is ultimately not a factor in most playthroughs. The argument instead lies in female robin having galeforce as an option and male robin not having gale force as an option. They are very close in viability but female robin is simply better if only by a little bit
@@Starwars-Fanboy Yeah, robin can lead to them getting kills even if they themselves hit like a pool noodle. Robin is also less punished by backpack duty due to veteran letting him make up the xp deficit quickly.
The thing with Gaius is that he’s actually better if you second seal him into Myrmidon at the first opportunity. You end up having a sword unit with not only good skill (for Astra) and speed, but also +1 movement from starting off as a thief as well as the ability to pick locks if the situation calls for it. Probably pretty unremarkable if you promote him into Trickster or Assassin instead; I can understand why you’d think he’s a bad unit if you did that.
Even reclassed, he's mediocre at best. If a unit needs several levels a second seal to pretend they are on the same level as the rest of the army, i think it is fair to penalize them for that.
in my lunatic playthrough he's being an insane avo machine and the only unit that can double sword users, though I admit I had to train him for like three maps. now that he is promoted he is falling off a bit because I'm trying to let the rest of the army gain at least some experience lol he was really fun but I agree I would probably get the same results with anyone else
I know you say to not account for DLC in this tier list but I have to say as I used male robin I used them as a dread fighter in apotheosis, and they did amazing using the book of naga and sol
Gale force is not very impactful on Lunatic aside from making it easier to recruit Tiki. Rescue alone works well enough for kill boss maps and it’s not that useful on the rout maps. Not to mention that it’s only gotten in the latter parts of the game, which is just generally easier. Definitely not an auto game-defining tier skill IMO. In Lunatic+ it probably is that good, but that’s because it counters stuff that’s only in that mode. Otherwise, just using a Nos or Sol tank is a much easier way of getting through lategame Lunatic.
@@DaniDoyle You can just use rescue to reach the boss instead. Even if you don’t do that for whatever reason, it’s just easier to tank your way through than to go out of your way for gale force
@@DaniDoyle It kinda does if you don’t need gale force at all to reach the boss, which is possible in every kill boss map (although I believe some are quite complicated to pull off)
You also don't need Marcus to beat fe7, don't need warp to beat fe11, dont need the brave sword to beat fe4... Strong tools are almost never necessary, but that's not an argument against them. Rescue is (imo) stronger than galeforce, but that doesn't make galeforce bad. This is the same argument people use for dancing being bad in awakening (which I also disagree with)
Just the term, “galeforce” triggers me immensely. Like I get vivid images of grinding my Lisse/Donnel Pair and not caring that I gave away a galeforce dad to a galeforce momma. I still have dreams about Dread Fighter Owain.
Do you think the spotpass units join too late to be worth tiering or did you just forget about them? I’m kinda curious if they can do anything meaningful
Tier list only misplacement is undervaluing Male Robin just bc you don't get Female Robin if you pick him. He's still a better unit than fucking Lissa lol
dude fredrick is the best character in the game, even more important than robin. the game is litrally impossible on lunatic and lunatic plus without fredrick. and i mean like he carries for like the first 15 chapters without grinding and stays good the whole game and the first 6-7 chapters NONE of your units can even dent the enemy other than fredrick
@@DaniDoyle robin snowballs quickly, making him good for the middle and late game. He is undoubtedly the best middle and late game. Fredrick is best early and mid game, but he is still a good late game. Lunatic/L + Fredrick is better than robin because without fredrick, it is actually impossible to beat the game. I can't think of any other unit in the series that you are forced to rely on for 1/3 of the game due to unfair difficulty balance. (Although i have not played fe 10 at highest difficulty and don't like 3 houses). The enemies on lunatic plus are so strong that often you can lose a run purely to rng, and the strat early game is to run away from the enemy for as long as possible.
@@xtrwombat4876 that's just not true, on multiple counts. Firstly, there are RNG proof strats for the early game. Moreover, there are Fred-less strats for everything after ch2 (meaning if you want to you can bench him asap, though you shouldn't). Purely running away from the enemies on lunatic and lunatic plus is also generally inadvisable, and leads to making the maps more difficult than they need to be
@@DaniDoyle if you think robin is better, that's fine. what i said was certainly hyperbole, but i think we both get the point lunatic plus is really hard. No running away and camping in forts and on Mountains is actually the strat in awakening. Fredrick can't survive getting dogged on by 2 enemies with counter and luna plus. Also, not to mention if you make too many mistakes, you can (although i dont think i ever have) run out of healing items. Im not completely doubting you, but i wasn't able to find fredrickless runs before you unlock the outrealm gate. But that is really impressive, if someone did that. And im not sure if i believe rngless strats either because what do you even do if the majority of enemies spawn with luna + and counter. I really like awakening, so maybe I'll do some challenge runs after my current run. I would like to point out that i almost always do deathless runs because i hate losing even the worst units. So that also probably made l+ more difficult for me. But now that i beat the game 5 times, i probably won't care who dies next run.
People have problems with Olivia? 😂 whaaaat. She saved my team so many times. And Henry? I make him use Nosferatu and he definitely survives. I paired up Olivia + Henry because the two are my favorites. I do not tolerate Olivia slander 😂😂
I feel like the olivia/galeforce hate comes from the Chrobin Solo mentality. Why bother doing all this 'extra' work when after a point in the game just deploying Chrobin and moving forward wins. Olivia is frail and likely to die if not carefuly positioned, so just don't bother. Dark Flier doesn't get Nosferatu, so don't bother. Also Stahl S tier because Awakening was my first FE and he was my first snowball unit before I even really understood FE and he killed the final boss for me.
I'm sorry but to me, the main storyline is vastly superior due to much deeper character dilemmas if Robin is female, plus Chrom's wife and Lucinia's mother. Further just don't think about Lucinia's extra dialog when faced with having to kill her mother. Think of why Grima killed the whole world first before going after Yslisse and the kids... Grima was torturing Female Robin to break her by systematically by taking her sweet time to drag it out to show her she couldn't resist and psychotically too by training Morgan to kill his sister while she was forced to watch, helpless to stop it. Plus, Male Robin is nearly perfect and always caring, but we know the original timeline was a far more bloody set of wars... and which tactician is more prone to being more flawed and hot headed. That would be female Robin. The whole storyline works best with Robin being female. Plus, let's not forget, the cloak Robin wears is most likely their mothers. So female Robin would look best in it, or a male child not quite in yet at puberty, like male Morgan.
Counterpoint, M;Robin & Chrom is a significantly better support chain than F;Robin & Chrom, The Ylissians survived as long as they did because of Grima’s Inability to kill them, not Grima saving them for last. The entire shepherds were alive at the time of Chrom’s death. Grima (incorrectly) believes Robin is weak willed. Morgan makes the least sense if He is Lucina’s brother, because Morgan has a memory of his fathers face, if Morgan remembers specially an Older Chrom’s face, it doesn’t make sense to say he came from the same timeline Lucina did. Yet Lucina makes no note of her new time travel brother (which is also reason enough to say that Morgan never tried to kill lucina in her own timeline) Furthermore, The Robins have the same personality because they are the same person. And anyone can wear a cloak.
@@samkeiser9776 Counter-counter point. All of Chrom's romantic support chains are pretty bad and of them F!Robin's is the best. So this doesn't really prove anything other than most of Awakening's romantic support conversations sucking, and your therefore comparing an apples to orange style of dialogue chains (romantic vs platonic) Sumia, who is Chrom's most popular non Female Robin, is basically a keep a woman in the kitchen joke mixed with a sexual do you want pie in the English version. It's far worse if you want a direct romantic to Roman conversation chain for Chrom. As with Female Robin, she at least has a backbone and everything is more a comedic romance of equals vs man taking quiet kitchen wife. Further if we go with Male Robin's quality of writing with other female romantic interests, he too has far better support chains than Lucina. As an example him and Cordelia we get two very similar people who have confidence issues helping each other and then falling in love as a result. With Robin and Lucina, it's still a man knowingly trying to date his best friends daughter. It's a really cringy romance support chain. Yes, Lucina does still now have a dilemma with trying to kill Grima through Robin, but it's because she wants sex with him now vs finding out it's her mother who she too was trying to save in the past. Thus the conflict is better written between the two if Robin is her mother vs her lover. As to Morgan, we'll again we just have an issue of bad writing in general across all his potential families. They wrote a bland amnesia plot for him/her to mimic his/her mother/father and there's a few holes in it. Why, because they just basically slapped Morgans support onto both characters, and patched it a bit but didn't think through a few flaws in them doing this. Then did the Future Past DLC with BOTH Morgans alive in the same timeline in the future past, so it doesn't fit either male or female Robin's storyline perfectly... unless they're twins and the opposite gender one to Robin died but it's so sad no one brings it up. So using it as proof of either one being better is just stupid. It's just proof of overall lazy writing and in fact the opposite, them trying to make both Robin's possible and equally valid. Look, Awakening took some lazy story telling routes because of the limitations on 3ds cartridges storage space. They couldn't exactly plan elaborate chains of dialogue for every possible player choice. So they lazily wrote some good enough and fairly similar ones. However if you look at the overall storyline and ignore a few minor flaws that resulted, Female Robin and Chrom by far has the most emotional narrative storyline. Male Robin's is just the self-insert storyline for the majority of the target market back then. If Chrom had been the insert, Female Robin would have been far the most popular pairing for him as she is literally his narrative foil. Further It's just great for Lucia's storyline too. Also calling a bunch of kids strategic geniuses or the remaining Shepherds without Robin... kinda goes against the narrative. They're shown time and time again to need Robin and being amazed by their tactical mind. So I'm sorry but the simplest explanation is Grima was saving them for last, rather than being out started by them.
Okay for a person who loves Awakening but is not generally knowledgable about video games, can someone please explain why female Robin is better than male robin...? I had no idea there was a difference
Couldn't you promote Lissa to whatever (doesn't matter), and THEN second seal her, so she goes right into Dark Flyer, instead of going through 10 levels of pegasus knight, thus making the "she's further away from Galeforce" argument moot? Or is that only how Second Seals worked in Birthright/Conquest and they always stage-1'd in Awakening? Thought they could, which would put Lissa a tier higher.
Galeforce is insanely overrated and not as good as you think it is. During the mid-late game Awakening Lunatic becomes much more enemy phase focused and at that point Galeforces only real benefit is clearing chapters faster or occasionally doing hit and run attacks. The issue here is that you want your good combat units to be in range of enemies usually to kill them and rescue is objectively a better tool for clearing chapters faster than Galeforce is, especially in combination with Olivia. The only reason to ever grind for galeforce is if you're doing the dlc maps like Apotheosis. You're essentially putting your unit in a worse version of Falcon knight up to level 15 so you can get a skill that basically accomplishes nothing for you. Being overkill on player phase in an enemy phase focused game is borderline worthless. Thats not even going into how bad of a class dark flier is combat wise.
The mid game is actually a very player phase oriented portion of the game, as almost every map becomes kill boss. Galeforce allows you to reach and kill these bosses more easily.
@@DaniDoyle Perhaps we have different definitions of what a player phase focused and enemy phase focused game is. When I say Awakening becomes enemy phase focused, I mean that the majority of units you're gonna be killing are going to be done on enemy phase rather than player phase or rather it becomes much more viable to simply put your good combat units in range of enemies on enemy phase since they aren't as dangerous. Even if I granted your definition, rescue is much better at accomplishing this and you dont have to excessively grind in a shitty class for it either
Agreed, Gale-force is just overrated. By the time you get it, your already in the mid-game anyway and can just marry your Robin and congratulations, you beat the game. Only went trough the game one time though, and the second I married robin and unlocked his kids, yeah game was over, just enemy phased the rest. I think even listing abilities that require a advanced class at lv15 in the equation is silly, you already broken the game by that point.
@@zealgaming8161 Yep and even if you're an ltc player, rescue staff strategies render Galeforce inconsequential. There might be some exceptions to the rule where galeforce in combination with dancer Olivia and rescue helps clear very specific maps quicker that im not thinking of, but its generally pretty overkill and you can usually just 1 turn most kill boss maps fine without it. Even then its a lot of work to even get the skill in the first place. Like put aside for a moment the skills actual viability, nobody even factors in how long it takes to get to that point or the difficulty of it. Having to get to level 15 dark flier sucks. Even if galeforce was as broken as many who praise it, the skill alone should be penalized in its usefulness for the amount of grinding you have to do to obtain it and you miss out on being able to utlilize it for so many chapters where it could've been so useful. If galeforce could reasonably be obtained in the early game, it would've been much better
@@shadownite3378 Mhm. I really want to like Engage, but like Awakening the balance is just whack. And "#¤% those gazillion of Emblem rings, just setting up characters in that game is painful with the choice overload overwhelming me.... But holy shit did the game get a mechanic right with the guard break mechanic. Enemy phasing is bullshit.
Way late… In my eyes, Frederick’s the best unit in the game by a good margin, and the second best unit in the series below Kris. Robin comes in 2nd in the game and 3rd in the series. Why? You can beat Awakening Lunatic without using Robin, though getting them going trivializes the game past chapter 5. You can’t beat chs P, 1, 2 or 3 without Fred, and there’s no other unit in the series aside from Kris where that’s true. Just a thought. In Hard I’d rate Robin and Chrom higher.
You pointed out how you called Inigo, Laslow but I'm mildly amused you called Severa, Sumia without noticing. FE has too many smancy 3 syllable S names.
Putting Miriel in front of Robin made me throw up. Honestly really depressing that your bias towards galeforce caused you to make such a huge error in judgement. There is no justification for this.
What are you even talking about? I put Robin as best unit in the game, and Miriel cannot even learn galeforce. Shes elevated above the rest of the generics almost entirely for access to 2 range in the early game (specifically chapters 2 and 3), in a similar vein to Virion.
@@DaniDoyle I understand you put female Robin ahead, but male Robin below. I totally agree that male Robin is worse than female Robin, but to put Miriel and Virion in front of him is bait, just like you said in the video. Even without Galeforce, Robin still has the best growth in the game due to veteran, so why would Miriel, who's an extremely average mage at best who comes in after Robin, be ranked higher? I don't really understand the thought process there.
Kellam offers something slightly unique in that if you second seal him you have arguably the only Thief with passable bulk in the game. Which is uh, basically still not much to talk about but it's still more than what most people have.
while technically unique, I don't really see how that's helpful. Thief is a very bad class, basically just a worse version of myrmidon. I'd also argue that anna (who starts in the trickster class) has more than passible bulk, so its not even really unique to a trained and second sealed Kellam.
Vaike should be S tier i think
Not because he's an insanely strong unit or anything, he's just extremely funny
S tier regardless of performance (he got tenure)
For sure! Sadly he was my first unit lost during my playthrough. It was chapter 5, but I feel like everyone is guaranteed to lose at least one unit in that chapter since it’s one of the toughest.
I remember hearing that he's better than Robin.
Poor male robin being stuck in a game where female locked classes were the best they’d ever been 😭 at least he doesn’t lose out on any fast recruitments like male byleth
At least MRobin can yield a gen. 3 Aether FMorgan
True!
Male Robin does have decent benefits, like getting to marry units like Anna and most notably the manaketes. I had him marry Nowi and the kids are absolutely busted
@@cryguy0000 true
Galeforce is so good. The male only class that has a good skill is Dread Fighter which makes them hit harder on player phase, but I'd rather move again
I love Anna in awakening because she was I think my first trickster (I killed Gaius) so her animations were unique to me and I love them and I love shopkeeps that become allies
After hearing your glowing introduction to Libra, I have to cone out and say…
I failed to recruit him on my first Awakening run, way back in 2013. Along with Kellam, Gaius, and Tharja, I somehow did not register that I could talk to named characters to add them to my roster until I saw people online talking about these characters.
Kellem doesn’t join if you don’t talk to him?
@@samkeiser9776 why would he of you yourself didn't see him
@@braveneon8271 because he is a shepherd, he's like already a part of Chrom's group
The real reason Virion is so good is cause when you pair him up with cordelia Sarena he s Hatsune Miku hair
How could I overlook that utility 😞🤡 I'm ashamed
Or you could pair her up with Male Robin with the #13 hair color.
Virion segment was fascinating. First tierlist that popped up when I googled the game 6 months ago put him as second worst unit in the game ahead of only donnel. Kinda reminds me of how surprisingly fragmented our community resources are that trying to find reputable information on the games yields a reddit tierlist or youtube thumbnail from 6 years ago.
The community has "archer bad" ingrained pretty heavily because of the emphasis on GBA games... Heck, if you look at my 'bad units tier list' i had him on it less than a year ago. But the big man deserves better 💜
@DaniDoyle it's kind of a shame binding blade's unpromoted archers are so statistically poor, because otherwise it would've been a great demonstration of how archers just need users with stats and player phase to put in work. At least engage showed bows can be a great weapon type even without massive range boosts, even if archers aren't the ones taking advantage. Hoping that design pattern is carried forward over bowrange+ skills.
Hot take but sol>gale force in late game on Robin.
Both is best but like late game maps are swarms of enemies. Early game second sealing Robin to Merc lets you still have good magical output with a levin sword, armsthrift keeps your weapon good and then eventually you get sol and second seal over to dark flier once you've hit level 10 promoted.
Robins mad experience gain makes it so the build still comes together well but it allows you to tank SWARMS of enemies even on lunatic and lunatic+ with a luck based pair up.
God Robin is a mad unit.
On Lunatic, once you get strong enough and you can enemy phase, sol gets a lot better,making you much more tanky.
Its actually quite possit to get both on robin in a timely manner because veteran is a balanced skill.
male robin not being considered meta/game defining and is below chrom is omega lol
@@ballistic2527 what a borderline retarded take lol
I always forget anna recruits after chapter 7 because like, it feels so cursed to not go directly into chapter 8 afterward given story context.
Its so weird
Regarding Libra, I always ignored him completely due to not really liking Prepromotes, and i happened to have him and my lvl 10/5 lissa right beside each other and realised that he is better than her in every single way at that moment, despite having 4 less levels than her
The thing you missed about sniper is that it's arguably one of the best classes for lategame Lunatic+, and is excellent for Grima since it's got the only brave physical weapon that doesn't proc their pavise
Olivia is bad for me because I'm awful at paying attention and get her killed every time
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As strong as female Robin is, I will never not pair up Chrom with his boyfriend male Robin. It just makes sense that as a result Chrom ends up having to marry an absolute stranger *cough* Olivia *cough* just to keep up appearances (Chrom!Inigo is my favourite parent option. He works really well as a prince just with his general demeanour and with his Chrom and Lucina supports)
Olivia is Chrom's beard confirmed
I’m a big fan of Chrom/Sully, he deserves to get proposed to and be able to enjoy the same hobbies with his wife (training forever). Also makes Kjelle’s “let me solo everything” attitude have a new context when she really is a eugenics superbaby and knows how future Chrom passed away.
@@SniperYanda chrom/sully is my otp too
Through the power of mods you can male chrom act out on the emotions he feels when he stares into your eyes yearningly in the intro cutscene
with the power of mods you can also make lucina exist as a queer couple baby, unlike *cough cough* niles kana
@@just-mees uga is the only way i can play awakening now LMAO
As someone who actually used Henry as soon as he got him, those meme-like growths ended up turning him into an unreasonably strong Berserker who can effectively Nosferatu-tank without magic: if you can get him promo'd into Dark Knight he can pick up Lifetaker to recover HP on KO, then you Second Seal him into Berserker for Wrath and a huge HP stat. You have to get his Axe level up some, sure, but effectively you can just throw the dude into a pile of enemies, and he is constantly landing crits, healing himself, and fluctuating from half HP to max, if he's not just outright dodging everything.
He's still good as a Sorcerer too. He get high Crits with Nosferat.
@@Nosretep Oh absolutely. I just loved having his silly little head on the big Berserker body, and thought it was funny he can do well shifted from mage to melee.
@@SwerveStarEx Yep. Paired him with Olivia. Vantage + Vengenace Inigo.
Commenting again, after watching through the video once and being inspired to start a fresh Awakening run.
Watching this is a fascinating example of how different my experience with Fire Emblem is compared to most TH-camrs I’ve seen. Lunatic and Lunatic+ being the standard for discussion makes things weird to parse for someone like me, who decided those modes were not fun after failing the prologue dozens of times and eventually getting stuck on the port chapter and never touched them again.
Tiering male and female Robin separately isn’t something I ever would’ve thought of, because I don’t conceptualize them as separate characters. I don’t agree with penalizing male Robin as heavily - if Chrom is game-defining even without Galeforce, male Robin is too, even if he’s slightly less game-defining than female Robin - but I understand your reasoning, and the comedy of ranking him beneath Virion.
I think Donnel belongs in “offers something unique,” because that is an entirely true statement, and although feeding him EXP does require extra effort, it’s totally feasible when you aren’t playing on Lunatic, and especially if you’re like me and tend to play maps at a leisurely pace. Bottom of “offers something unique,” certainly, because he’s very playstyle-dependent and not at all conducive to what I understand is the generally preferred way to play FE, but I think it’s where he belongs. Plus it would give you another person to rank above male Robin to make even more people mad.
What unique thing does Donnel offer? As I said in the tear criteria, the unique thing offered must be something valuable and the only unique attribute Donnel has is the villager class, which is the worst class in the game. His stats/combat are not unique from other units in awakening, even when trained, especially if we're referring to lower difficulties.
@@DaniDoyle Ah, I think I read “offers something unique” a bit literally. I was thinking “he offers a gameplay narrative very different from other units.” His trash-to-incredible arc is, in my opinion, distinct from the fine-to-great arc that most Awakening units provide. But yeah, that’s not really the point of your list, and in terms of contributions to clearing the game Donnel has nothing special to offer.
I'm still very surprised to see Sumia so high and I'm just not sure I can agree - given how awful she is on her actual join map (compared to Kellam, who actually is REALLY Good on his join map, which is the same map) has to drop her down for me a bit.
Chrom ended up marrying sumia in my play through, which was unfortunate because she was severely underleveled as she hardly ever showed up on the battlefield until the last two chapters of the games first half. So throughout the entirety of the second half, she just kind of sat by chroms side as his useless sidekick. But I didn’t have the nerve to let lucina’s mom die.
Not a comment on your tier list, but the two people mad at you in the comments for overvaluing gale force both have Bananas for their avatars and are using identical arguments.
idk i just think it’s funny
Yeah, I noticed that too 🤷🏻♀️
Gaius is one of the most effective dodge tanks and one of the few units that will not get doubled during the end game on higher difficulty. Plus, skill stat based skills get high rates. My guess: if those are what you're looking for, Gaius is one of the best. But he is a unit that needs work. Not the worst in that regard, but he requires more than some.
I love that you actually consider Miriel as a character, every tier list i’ve ever seen always shits on Miriel like shes a good character.
Rightful King kind of sucks but Chrom does get an actual good 'unique' skill: Dual Strike+
(this is also why mrobin, while worse than frobin, isn't massively disadvantaged: he can jump off chrom and onto lucina when she joins and now you have both chrom + his wife AND robin + lucina who can run around obliterating people with an S support boosted by Dual Strike+)
I'd argue Nowi is above average due to her growths guaranteeing she'll be at least bulky. 1-2 range being very useful and getting the ability to take out wyverns pretty easily. She's like an armored knight on steroids, ignore my biases
I've never played Lunatic, so I can't speak to that, but playing on Hard and seeing how absurd her growths are, I can't see how she'd be anything less than above average. The growths are absolutely insane. I only used her because "cute dragon girl" with 2 range is funny as hell, but she ended up being one of my main tanks since I lost Kellam in a damn paralogue meaning until she leveled enough, literally only Frederick could really tank anything. Everyone else, like Chrom, had decent defenses, but they weren't guarding the more dangerous chokes because even on hard, the enemy attack stats are kind of insane at times once they start getting Steel weapons. Plus she also has a decent res stat, so she could take an elthunder without immediately dying.
Most of the units in this game are better than the worst units in the series
Personally I feel like galeforce is definitely good but not enough to make a unit who doesn't get it garbage, things like nos tanking are enemy phase centric, and galeforce is irrelevant on enemy phase. Galeforce alone definitely doesn't separate the two Robins by an entire tier
There's no enemy phase if you kill the boss on turn 1.
@AlexaRobin21 A lot of maps are route maps anyways, and gunning straight for the boss can be unreliable. Either you fail to reach them or fail to beat them, plus you lose out on everything else the maps offer
Inigo being Laslow and Severa being called Sumia and her timestamp being Cynthia (again) is funny 😂
It doesn't actually matter, so cool video!
I've been baited ❤
I fixed Severa but I REFUSE to fix lasow
Enjoyed this video a lot! Don’t know if I fully agree with how much M!Robin was penalized for not being F!Robin within the context of the tiers provided, but that’s a minor point in all.
There are differences and overall female robin is 100% better than male robin. But by a whole tier, male Robin's main weakness is no gale force and no s support with chrom, the former only mattering late game when you are steamrolling anyway and the ladder being ultimately minimal as just pair robin with someone else like lucina if you really need the s support boosts
It’s not even fully true since male Robin is the best pairing for Cordelia (or sumia) to facilitate her getting galeforce by chapter 14-15 and then passing it to both severa and female Morgan, allowing one to raze through the rest of lunatic mode with them. I hear female Robin gets galeforce quicker but that’s probably only true if one allows use of the renown seal and even then that means turning Robin into a pegasus in the middle of an arc filled with axe enemies, without an OP pair up to kill everything via dual strikes.
@AstraProc
How does male Robin pairing with Sumia/Cornelia help them reach Galeforce faster ? Is it from using dual strikes ?
@AstraProc the argument here isn't about their kids. Female robin has access to an s support with chrom meaning if you need to you can just do a crobin solo better with female robin but this point is ultimately not a factor in most playthroughs. The argument instead lies in female robin having galeforce as an option and male robin not having gale force as an option. They are very close in viability but female robin is simply better if only by a little bit
@@Starwars-Fanboy Yeah, robin can lead to them getting kills even if they themselves hit like a pool noodle. Robin is also less punished by backpack duty due to veteran letting him make up the xp deficit quickly.
I’m loving these videos!!! Thank you Dani
You don't see Awakening tier lists that often (for good reasons, it's a hard game to tier!) so I'm looking forward to watching this one!
The thing with Gaius is that he’s actually better if you second seal him into Myrmidon at the first opportunity. You end up having a sword unit with not only good skill (for Astra) and speed, but also +1 movement from starting off as a thief as well as the ability to pick locks if the situation calls for it. Probably pretty unremarkable if you promote him into Trickster or Assassin instead; I can understand why you’d think he’s a bad unit if you did that.
Even reclassed, he's mediocre at best. If a unit needs several levels a second seal to pretend they are on the same level as the rest of the army, i think it is fair to penalize them for that.
Yeah, he’d be very good in a lot of other games in that context, but Awakening’s power level is so silly that he’s kinda just all right
in my lunatic playthrough he's being an insane avo machine and the only unit that can double sword users, though I admit I had to train him for like three maps. now that he is promoted he is falling off a bit because I'm trying to let the rest of the army gain at least some experience lol he was really fun but I agree I would probably get the same results with anyone else
I love ALL Dani Doyle videos!!!!
Stahl is the best tank. Baby him a little and he becomes a fantastic Great Knight
I know you say to not account for DLC in this tier list but I have to say as I used male robin I used them as a dread fighter in apotheosis, and they did amazing using the book of naga and sol
Gale force is not very impactful on Lunatic aside from making it easier to recruit Tiki. Rescue alone works well enough for kill boss maps and it’s not that useful on the rout maps. Not to mention that it’s only gotten in the latter parts of the game, which is just generally easier. Definitely not an auto game-defining tier skill IMO. In Lunatic+ it probably is that good, but that’s because it counters stuff that’s only in that mode. Otherwise, just using a Nos or Sol tank is a much easier way of getting through lategame Lunatic.
A large number of maps are kill boss and galeforce makes it easier to get to the boss.
@@DaniDoyle You can just use rescue to reach the boss instead. Even if you don’t do that for whatever reason, it’s just easier to tank your way through than to go out of your way for gale force
Rescues existanance does not invalidate galeforce, the two tools work well together and get stronger when you use them both.
@@DaniDoyle It kinda does if you don’t need gale force at all to reach the boss, which is possible in every kill boss map (although I believe some are quite complicated to pull off)
You also don't need Marcus to beat fe7, don't need warp to beat fe11, dont need the brave sword to beat fe4... Strong tools are almost never necessary, but that's not an argument against them. Rescue is (imo) stronger than galeforce, but that doesn't make galeforce bad. This is the same argument people use for dancing being bad in awakening (which I also disagree with)
no spotpass units clearly this tier list is inconclusive and must be thrown into the bargain bin
Just the term, “galeforce” triggers me immensely. Like I get vivid images of grinding my Lisse/Donnel Pair and not caring that I gave away a galeforce dad to a galeforce momma. I still have dreams about Dread Fighter Owain.
W for putting the god Virion at A, glad I found a tier list where someone doesn't drop him into F lol
I have seen the light (I was a hater until recently, there's even old videos where i dunk on him sadly)
Thracia tier list 🤞🙏🙏 luve ur videos btw!
Marty sweep 😈😈😈
The utter despair when you talk about Nowi is palpable.
and I understand, although I also find Nah as bad.
Idk, Nowi and Nah seem pretty good to me
@@cryguy0000I was talking about their character and design not unit performance
@@FuriousHaunter oh uhh...idk I think they're fine
I make Chrom a Sniper basically every run, gives him a ton of skl which affect his skill activations, then I make him perma support for his wife.
Do you think the spotpass units join too late to be worth tiering or did you just forget about them? I’m kinda curious if they can do anything meaningful
The spotpass units join right before the final map. They don't do anything meaningful unless you're counting post game which I am not
I'm waiting for the 3 Houses Tier List, I feel its going to be interesting.
I actually don't feel I have enough knowledge to tier the entire cast, but I'd recommend JonoabboFE's list
Man the Awakening meta is weird
Ye
clearly you didn’t enter the vaike
If you're ever doing child units.
Morgan(Tiki,Priam or Nah!Kellam)
Lucina(Sumia)
Owain(Libra)
Severa(Fredrick)
Gerome(Gregor)
Inigo(Henry)
Kjelle(Donnel)
Noire(Gaius)
Yarne(Stahl)
Brady(Lon'qu)
DONNEL MY BELOVED
Hes s++ tier (don't watch the video just trust me) 👀👀
DO IT FOR GREGOR
im kinda surprised that gaius is that low, idk everytime i play wakening he ends up being so Op- like my boy always crit and never get hits-
I will never understand why none of donnel's second seals can use lances. He got to C lances, second sealed him, poof
its so sad :( I wish he had like cav or something
Omg omg awakening
Tier list only misplacement is undervaluing Male Robin just bc you don't get Female Robin if you pick him. He's still a better unit than fucking Lissa lol
dude fredrick is the best character in the game, even more important than robin. the game is litrally impossible on lunatic and lunatic plus without fredrick. and i mean like he carries for like the first 15 chapters without grinding and stays good the whole game and the first 6-7 chapters NONE of your units can even dent the enemy other than fredrick
The robin vs fred debate is fierce since they are clearly top 2, but I'm a Robin > Fred believer.
@@DaniDoyle robin snowballs quickly, making him good for the middle and late game. He is undoubtedly the best middle and late game. Fredrick is best early and mid game, but he is still a good late game.
Lunatic/L + Fredrick is better than robin because without fredrick, it is actually impossible to beat the game. I can't think of any other unit in the series that you are forced to rely on for 1/3 of the game due to unfair difficulty balance. (Although i have not played fe 10 at highest difficulty and don't like 3 houses). The enemies on lunatic plus are so strong that often you can lose a run purely to rng, and the strat early game is to run away from the enemy for as long as possible.
@@xtrwombat4876 that's just not true, on multiple counts. Firstly, there are RNG proof strats for the early game. Moreover, there are Fred-less strats for everything after ch2 (meaning if you want to you can bench him asap, though you shouldn't). Purely running away from the enemies on lunatic and lunatic plus is also generally inadvisable, and leads to making the maps more difficult than they need to be
@@DaniDoyle if you think robin is better, that's fine. what i said was certainly hyperbole, but i think we both get the point lunatic plus is really hard. No running away and camping in forts and on Mountains is actually the strat in awakening. Fredrick can't survive getting dogged on by 2 enemies with counter and luna plus. Also, not to mention if you make too many mistakes, you can (although i dont think i ever have) run out of healing items.
Im not completely doubting you, but i wasn't able to find fredrickless runs before you unlock the outrealm gate. But that is really impressive, if someone did that. And im not sure if i believe rngless strats either because what do you even do if the majority of enemies spawn with luna + and counter. I really like awakening, so maybe I'll do some challenge runs after my current run. I would like to point out that i almost always do deathless runs because i hate losing even the worst units. So that also probably made l+ more difficult for me. But now that i beat the game 5 times, i probably won't care who dies next run.
People have problems with Olivia? 😂 whaaaat. She saved my team so many times.
And Henry? I make him use Nosferatu and he definitely survives.
I paired up Olivia + Henry because the two are my favorites.
I do not tolerate Olivia slander 😂😂
Olivia has insane utility, but her combat prowess isnt that good. I like Herny, but Robin, Sumia., and Tharja are my go-to mages
I feel like the olivia/galeforce hate comes from the Chrobin Solo mentality. Why bother doing all this 'extra' work when after a point in the game just deploying Chrobin and moving forward wins. Olivia is frail and likely to die if not carefuly positioned, so just don't bother. Dark Flier doesn't get Nosferatu, so don't bother.
Also Stahl S tier because Awakening was my first FE and he was my first snowball unit before I even really understood FE and he killed the final boss for me.
I'm sorry but to me, the main storyline is vastly superior due to much deeper character dilemmas if Robin is female, plus Chrom's wife and Lucinia's mother.
Further just don't think about Lucinia's extra dialog when faced with having to kill her mother. Think of why Grima killed the whole world first before going after Yslisse and the kids... Grima was torturing Female Robin to break her by systematically by taking her sweet time to drag it out to show her she couldn't resist and psychotically too by training Morgan to kill his sister while she was forced to watch, helpless to stop it.
Plus, Male Robin is nearly perfect and always caring, but we know the original timeline was a far more bloody set of wars... and which tactician is more prone to being more flawed and hot headed. That would be female Robin.
The whole storyline works best with Robin being female.
Plus, let's not forget, the cloak Robin wears is most likely their mothers. So female Robin would look best in it, or a male child not quite in yet at puberty, like male Morgan.
Or! Male robin sexy female robin not hehe
Counterpoint, M;Robin & Chrom is a significantly better support chain than F;Robin & Chrom, The Ylissians survived as long as they did because of Grima’s Inability to kill them, not Grima saving them for last. The entire shepherds were alive at the time of Chrom’s death.
Grima (incorrectly) believes Robin is weak willed.
Morgan makes the least sense if He is Lucina’s brother, because Morgan has a memory of his fathers face, if Morgan remembers specially an Older Chrom’s face, it doesn’t make sense to say he came from the same timeline Lucina did. Yet Lucina makes no note of her new time travel brother (which is also reason enough to say that Morgan never tried to kill lucina in her own timeline)
Furthermore, The Robins have the same personality because they are the same person. And anyone can wear a cloak.
@@samkeiser9776 Counter-counter point. All of Chrom's romantic support chains are pretty bad and of them F!Robin's is the best. So this doesn't really prove anything other than most of Awakening's romantic support conversations sucking, and your therefore comparing an apples to orange style of dialogue chains (romantic vs platonic)
Sumia, who is Chrom's most popular non Female Robin, is basically a keep a woman in the kitchen joke mixed with a sexual do you want pie in the English version. It's far worse if you want a direct romantic to Roman conversation chain for Chrom. As with Female Robin, she at least has a backbone and everything is more a comedic romance of equals vs man taking quiet kitchen wife.
Further if we go with Male Robin's quality of writing with other female romantic interests, he too has far better support chains than Lucina. As an example him and Cordelia we get two very similar people who have confidence issues helping each other and then falling in love as a result.
With Robin and Lucina, it's still a man knowingly trying to date his best friends daughter. It's a really cringy romance support chain.
Yes, Lucina does still now have a dilemma with trying to kill Grima through Robin, but it's because she wants sex with him now vs finding out it's her mother who she too was trying to save in the past. Thus the conflict is better written between the two if Robin is her mother vs her lover.
As to Morgan, we'll again we just have an issue of bad writing in general across all his potential families. They wrote a bland amnesia plot for him/her to mimic his/her mother/father and there's a few holes in it. Why, because they just basically slapped Morgans support onto both characters, and patched it a bit but didn't think through a few flaws in them doing this. Then did the Future Past DLC with BOTH Morgans alive in the same timeline in the future past, so it doesn't fit either male or female Robin's storyline perfectly... unless they're twins and the opposite gender one to Robin died but it's so sad no one brings it up. So using it as proof of either one being better is just stupid. It's just proof of overall lazy writing and in fact the opposite, them trying to make both Robin's possible and equally valid.
Look, Awakening took some lazy story telling routes because of the limitations on 3ds cartridges storage space. They couldn't exactly plan elaborate chains of dialogue for every possible player choice. So they lazily wrote some good enough and fairly similar ones. However if you look at the overall storyline and ignore a few minor flaws that resulted, Female Robin and Chrom by far has the most emotional narrative storyline. Male Robin's is just the self-insert storyline for the majority of the target market back then. If Chrom had been the insert, Female Robin would have been far the most popular pairing for him as she is literally his narrative foil. Further It's just great for Lucia's storyline too.
Also calling a bunch of kids strategic geniuses or the remaining Shepherds without Robin... kinda goes against the narrative. They're shown time and time again to need Robin and being amazed by their tactical mind. So I'm sorry but the simplest explanation is Grima was saving them for last, rather than being out started by them.
Okay for a person who loves Awakening but is not generally knowledgable about video games, can someone please explain why female Robin is better than male robin...? I had no idea there was a difference
access to dark flyer and therefore galeforce
@@DaniDoyle ohhhh okay. I didn’t realize that was the only thing and thought I was missing something 😅
@@k-popbiased1058Galeforce can help you finish a lot of chapters in 1 turn.
Couldn't you promote Lissa to whatever (doesn't matter), and THEN second seal her, so she goes right into Dark Flyer, instead of going through 10 levels of pegasus knight, thus making the "she's further away from Galeforce" argument moot? Or is that only how Second Seals worked in Birthright/Conquest and they always stage-1'd in Awakening? Thought they could, which would put Lissa a tier higher.
You must be level 10 to second seal, so she needs to hit level 10 promoted to second seal to dark flyer
Galeforce is insanely overrated and not as good as you think it is. During the mid-late game Awakening Lunatic becomes much more enemy phase focused and at that point Galeforces only real benefit is clearing chapters faster or occasionally doing hit and run attacks. The issue here is that you want your good combat units to be in range of enemies usually to kill them and rescue is objectively a better tool for clearing chapters faster than Galeforce is, especially in combination with Olivia. The only reason to ever grind for galeforce is if you're doing the dlc maps like Apotheosis. You're essentially putting your unit in a worse version of Falcon knight up to level 15 so you can get a skill that basically accomplishes nothing for you. Being overkill on player phase in an enemy phase focused game is borderline worthless. Thats not even going into how bad of a class dark flier is combat wise.
The mid game is actually a very player phase oriented portion of the game, as almost every map becomes kill boss. Galeforce allows you to reach and kill these bosses more easily.
@@DaniDoyle Perhaps we have different definitions of what a player phase focused and enemy phase focused game is. When I say Awakening becomes enemy phase focused, I mean that the majority of units you're gonna be killing are going to be done on enemy phase rather than player phase or rather it becomes much more viable to simply put your good combat units in range of enemies on enemy phase since they aren't as dangerous. Even if I granted your definition, rescue is much better at accomplishing this and you dont have to excessively grind in a shitty class for it either
Agreed, Gale-force is just overrated. By the time you get it, your already in the mid-game anyway and can just marry your Robin and congratulations, you beat the game. Only went trough the game one time though, and the second I married robin and unlocked his kids, yeah game was over, just enemy phased the rest.
I think even listing abilities that require a advanced class at lv15 in the equation is silly, you already broken the game by that point.
@@zealgaming8161 Yep and even if you're an ltc player, rescue staff strategies render Galeforce inconsequential. There might be some exceptions to the rule where galeforce in combination with dancer Olivia and rescue helps clear very specific maps quicker that im not thinking of, but its generally pretty overkill and you can usually just 1 turn most kill boss maps fine without it. Even then its a lot of work to even get the skill in the first place. Like put aside for a moment the skills actual viability, nobody even factors in how long it takes to get to that point or the difficulty of it. Having to get to level 15 dark flier sucks. Even if galeforce was as broken as many who praise it, the skill alone should be penalized in its usefulness for the amount of grinding you have to do to obtain it and you miss out on being able to utlilize it for so many chapters where it could've been so useful. If galeforce could reasonably be obtained in the early game, it would've been much better
@@shadownite3378 Mhm. I really want to like Engage, but like Awakening the balance is just whack. And "#¤% those gazillion of Emblem rings, just setting up characters in that game is painful with the choice overload overwhelming me.... But holy shit did the game get a mechanic right with the guard break mechanic.
Enemy phasing is bullshit.
Way late…
In my eyes, Frederick’s the best unit in the game by a good margin, and the second best unit in the series below Kris. Robin comes in 2nd in the game and 3rd in the series.
Why? You can beat Awakening Lunatic without using Robin, though getting them going trivializes the game past chapter 5. You can’t beat chs P, 1, 2 or 3 without Fred, and there’s no other unit in the series aside from Kris where that’s true.
Just a thought. In Hard I’d rate Robin and Chrom higher.
Technically you can't beat fe7 ch1 without Lyn so she should be right between Robin and Fred 😜 This is how Lyn can still win
@ Sorry forgot to mention, Lyn is #0. My bad
You pointed out how you called Inigo, Laslow but I'm mildly amused you called Severa, Sumia without noticing. FE has too many smancy 3 syllable S names.
im penalizing male robin for being the one that they always use in later recurrences of the character, now he's at the bottom of f tier 😠
But gay male Robin is based 😭🥲
@@DaniDoyle what if gay girl robin
Firm wang in 3D
I'm sorry, but no. Henry kills everything because of his high crit. Also, he's tankier since he can get Life Taker.
Putting Miriel in front of Robin made me throw up. Honestly really depressing that your bias towards galeforce caused you to make such a huge error in judgement. There is no justification for this.
What are you even talking about? I put Robin as best unit in the game, and Miriel cannot even learn galeforce. Shes elevated above the rest of the generics almost entirely for access to 2 range in the early game (specifically chapters 2 and 3), in a similar vein to Virion.
@@DaniDoyle I understand you put female Robin ahead, but male Robin below. I totally agree that male Robin is worse than female Robin, but to put Miriel and Virion in front of him is bait, just like you said in the video. Even without Galeforce, Robin still has the best growth in the game due to veteran, so why would Miriel, who's an extremely average mage at best who comes in after Robin, be ranked higher? I don't really understand the thought process there.
That thumbnail irks me
whats wrong with it?
That thumbnail pents me
Kellam offers something slightly unique in that if you second seal him you have arguably the only Thief with passable bulk in the game.
Which is uh, basically still not much to talk about but it's still more than what most people have.
while technically unique, I don't really see how that's helpful. Thief is a very bad class, basically just a worse version of myrmidon. I'd also argue that anna (who starts in the trickster class) has more than passible bulk, so its not even really unique to a trained and second sealed Kellam.
It lets you marginally save on chest keys for items that most of the time aren't that good anyways!
Yeah I never said it was really useful.
im kinda surprised that gaius is that low, idk everytime i play wakening he ends up being so Op- like my boy always crit and never get hits-