A Conversation with Brent Fikowski and Pat Vellner
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- PFAA board members Brent Fikowski and Pat Vellner join Sean and Tommy to talk about the recent demands from the PFAA that were released following the conclusion of the CrossFit Games. They discuss why they feel Dave Castro needs to be removed from his position on the sport team, why they chose to release their demands prior to the conclusion of the investigation into Lazar Djukic's death and where they and the sport may go from here.
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The capability and professionalism of the athletes outstripped that of CFHQ long ago. Happy to watch them compete in any non-cf events. Hope the sponsors follow them
See ya!
Completely agree with this take.
I'm completely in agreement with you. I hope the sponsors continue... If the sponsors offer enough prizes, athletes will prioritize the events that pay the most. For example, Red Bull can pay up to 5 million for a first prize, 2 million for a second, and 3 million for the teams in first place. If you add in the other sponsors, you could create a league with a ranking system like in tennis, and a ranking that determines, based on the points from the Grand Slams, who is the fittest.
What’s the best way for fans of the sport to support the PFAA?
Pat and Brent, you are both class acts.
No they're not
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Great point from Pat. Getting fired isn’t someone getting canceled. They did their job poorly, repeatedly.
Fantastic interview. I love hearing from Brent and Pat. Thank you all for being leaders in the sport we love so much❤
Calm, intelligent, articulate. What a contrast compared to the guests and hosts of other TH-cam CrossFit channels
Maybe if you watched their interview on Coffee pods and wods you'd change your opinion....
Also, guessing that's a dig at Sevan, arguably the MOST articulate, calm and intelligent man in the space.... Rethink
@@froggatt24 Sevan. There's nothing intelligent about that man.. Dumb as rocks.
Totally respect your opinions and completely support your decisions. We stand with you.
So where’s the call out on Boz if they’ve been trying for 4 years. Dave wasn’t here for all of that?
Where’s holding the CEOs responsible.
Why is it Dave that people are coming at?
Every professional sports organization has a players association / or the like. This is the natural evolution of the sport / profession. Why is this a shock ? Why isn’t this just viewed as a progression / legitimacy of the sport. The day - this one guy hosts events in his parent’s backyard in California are over. This is the growth and movement forward.
Grown up talk, much needed in "the crossfit space".
The idea that the success of the game relies solely on one person, like Dave, seems concerning to me. I'm not sure why everyone is so frustrated about his departure. In fact, I thought the games were fantastic when Bozman stepped in, and they’re still exciting. Looking at other competitions, it’s clear that there are plenty of capable individuals who can take over event planning. That said, I believe PFAA is a positive step forward for the game, and I wish them all the best!
Thank you Sean for asking some non-softball questions
All soft ball questions I feel.
@@luislopez6315 Yes, its like watching CNN. No push back, no followups, just what seems like heading nodding agreement.
yes.
Brent and Pàt - ROCK! Their professionalism is significant levels above Crosfit HQ!
feels like sean thinks everything is ok with crossfit and nothing needs to change. did he already forget lazar died?
great job answering the questions brent and pat. we love you and thank you for taking the time to try and make crossfit a safer sport ♥️
I only have one comment related to Brent/Pat' statement about bogging down every meeting with safety: Every construction project I have worked on starts weekly progress meetings with a safety discussion. Yes, there are suppositions of competence, but the prevailing protocol is 'trust, but verify.' Especially given the situation of Lazar - starting every meeting with the supposition that there is competence coupled directly with a check in on safety protocols is - from my perspective, - likely the best route.
love seeing these guys doing the rounds for the PFAA
I love Pat and Brent. Great dudes.
When somebody struggles in a swim, goes under the water, and drowns, without anyone on the CrossFit Games staff noticing, then you have a serious problem with safety. It's not cancel culture to ask for accountability and change under these circumstances. Why hasn't Dave Castro done the right thing and just resign his position?
Feel pat and brent handled these questions brilliantly. They were honest, balanced and articulated in face of tricky questions. Would hope crossfit staff would be asked as equally tricky questions if in same boat. Major respect and support to you both!
Great job Pat and Brent! God bless you all!
Brent and Pat are the smartest athletes out there and they are great ambassadors for the sport.
Disagree!
100%
I disagree, although there messaging sounds good. If you really listen it sounds like a lot of bluffing. When asked what will you do if CrossFit dosent listen they said in a previous interview “well that is unlikely to happen “ and on this one they said we have a plan but keeping it close to our chest. You’re either going to Boycott the games or not or give more time to another event I don’t understand all the unnecessary secrecy with this PFAA
Sean asks appropriately about the PFAA's grounds for claiming routinely now that Dave has created an "culture of fear" among athletes. But he then says he knows of some cases and pulls a PFAA by not discussing the cases. Let's hear them, Sean. And don't say Ryan Fisher. Dude abused a judge and deserved what he got. Don't say Robb Wolff or Greg Everett. They weren't athletes. Name the athletes and the circumstances, Sean.
Emily Abbott was publicly berated by Dave for asking a question/ having concerns. It's also not Pat or Brent's role to talk about other athletes'personal experiences in regards to issues with Dave/ HQ
Thank you for having these conversations. Betterment for athletes. 🎉🎉🎉
I really believe everyone here is consciously going very easy on Dave. Letting him go would be merciful...a good thing. If the athletes ever decide to open up about all the crap he has pulled since 2007, it will get really, really ugly for Dave....and I'm not sure anyone really wants that given the fact that he has also contributed a lot.
If it is that bad with Mr Castro in charge of the games, Why do you keep coming back to compete in the CrossFit games?
Because they love to complete. Why can't they complete and strive to make things better as they have stated.
“It’s not realistic to ask to see the full emergency action plan” what? It definitely is
Most definitely, but that’s the issue. Brent is saying CFHQ is so dismissive about even small things it would never be realistic to get a safety plan out of them. Therefore change is required
In Australia it’s illegal to keep that from someone who is working for you, whether it be an employee or a contractor which I’m guessing the athletes are classed as
Wow Brent & Pat ..... You guys are strong & committed
Let Castro hold his own CrossFit Event and see how many athletes sign up. Dave's organizational limit is backyard competition. CrossFit has grown well beyond his intellectual capacity, but not his ego.
Refreshing to hear from Pat and Brent who clearly have the athletes safety at the forefront and can articulate the community's concerns so well. Probably just too intimidating for the HQ brain trust to respond to.
100% agree 👍
6:30 this is an important point to me. Its always felt like Dave has made himself the center of attention at the games whether intentionally or by virtue of his importance to the event itself. When I first started watching the games I knew nothing about CrossFit and I thought it was so weird to have this somewhat heel antagonistic Vince macmahon figure for no reason.
Well said.
The crossfit games came into existence as a bro-down throw down at Dave's house. Greg is crossfit, Dave is the games. Sometimes, though, a grassroots movement gains so much popularity that it loses its soul.
@@drop36000 or grows beyond what it was. Dave can still do an invitational at the ranch if wants and invite all the good old boy athletes who love him. But you can’t say the sport needs to grow and expand and keep it the exact same like some backyard bbq throw down.
@thisisspartacus when something grows in popularity to a point that many love what it has become, and have disdain for what it was, that thing has lost its soul.
@@drop36000 I don’t think anyone has disdain for the sport just the leadership of the sport (and crossfit itself altho that’s separate). This isn’t like when everyone wanted to deaffiliate after floyd19 (and that was sort of the last straw in series of poor leadership decisions across the board for both sport and crossfit itself).
The intelligence of these two is really astonishing. Adult, calm, educated... love hearing them out. I only wish them to be in the games for another 10 years.
24:34 this sounds like what Pat was alluding to in his interview with Dave saying he doesn't watch other comps to learn about their mistakes and apply them to the Games.
Its so crazy that a sport this young does not leverage as many opportunities as possible to improve as fast as possible
The fear of speaking out out of fear of retribution doesn't just happen on the athlete side of CFHQ and The Games either... It's happening to the volunteers too!
There seems to be a lot of questions around what CrossFit is doing, which is justified, but no real questions to clarify what PFAA is doing. Also lots of words describing what CrossFit is - “lacking professionalism” , “not trustworthy” , “not transparent” but a lot of these words seem to be good descriptors of the PFAA.
This was a good damage control interview after Coffee Pods and Wods. I find it hard to believe that Brent didn’t read or fully know what was in the NDA he signed as he went to business school and worked as a controller until 2018. In what world, would CrossFit not allow you to talk about whether you’re having meetings with them - make it make sense. Also, Pat, to joke that CrossFit left you out of that meeting…
I think PFAA needs to take their own advice and start being transparent with facts instead throwing out buzzwords.
I think that there is a more serious consideration that is constantly being missed in these videos …. and that is the likelihood of criminal charges being brought to executives within CrossFit. Everyone is focussed on Dave getting sacked and whether that is likely or not given the demands of the PFAA… however I believe there is a more serious situation here….i.e… regardless of an athlete signing a waiver to take on responsibility for, and to not hold CrossFit liable for their own injury or even death, waivers such as this do not remove liability from the competition organisers for ‘reckless negligence’ or ‘reckless endangerment’. If charged and found guilty of either, you could see an individual or individuals do jail time. There is numerous case law and precedent for this. No one appears to be giving this any consideration and they are only focussed on whether someone is going to get sacked and whether that is appropriate….! I find this bizarre!
at least these guys are trying to do or to achieve something constructive from all the status quo that is been happening for years. they are taking an action and i think is very courageous.
I’d like the PFAA to paint a picture of the ‘brighter future’ in terms of competition. I’m interested to know what that vision is. What makes collaboration brighter? While collaboration it’s important, how does that contribute to a ‘brighter future’ or the sport? How does it continue to grow?
Brent and Pat seem really level headed and I think I understand their frustration.
I do however have some little nagging feeling that something is being left out. Maybe because of NDAs idk.
But I am missing something to be 100% in their corner (not that they need me).
Strange that CrossFit made PFFA sign a NDA for a meeting.
Possible to do with the new season structure for next year I'd say 🤔
Not strange at all if you know how business works.
@@luislopez6315totally agree. I am regularly required to sign an NDA for business dealings
Also, depending on where, as in what state it was signed in, a standard NDA in the US is pretty useless in court.
or did the PFAA make CrossFit sign an NDA, they danced around so much and didn't actually say anything
Dave is needed at HQ by 2, 999, 850 everyday crossfit athletes (Don said there were 3 million people doing crossfit). Only 63% of 147 PFAA members want Dave gone. The Games is now bigger than the athletes themselves yet some of these games level athletes have taken on entitled arrogance and this would appear to be it coming to light now.
I’m all for change but coming from Texas this seems like a typical union that’s trying to take over.
The mistake is comparing other professional sports and their respective associations to the PFAA. Other athletes are employees under contract with millions at stake.
The Games is an open to all completion. The roster change every year. And if people don't join, the next up will.
Should the PFFA be reaching out to a higher percentage of the athletes? I think you should be sending info packets and asking for input from a larger group. Even if you want to limit the members with voting rights, I think providing information to (and a voice for) those athletes would be a good use of the groups efforts. it would also provide a more educated group of athletes when people attend the other competitions or go to semi-finals.
Great talk. I hope the PFAA is successful. You'll help blaze a new path of growth for the sport.
37:35 "Is the fear of retribution justified?" Tommy looks like he has an answer he can't say 🤫
Why would members of PFAA be secret and why would athletes want to be anonymous?
Because look at the heat that the PFAA are getting! Anonymity protects them to say whatever they feel behind closed doors without the backlash
@@Chrsmrn because everything is politicized and the internet and crossfit community is filled with of trolls quick to demean and denigrate anyone this disagree with.
Love the work these two guys are doing!
"a culture of fear amongst athletes to speak up" Again which athletes? How many athletes? i heard there fear of athletes speaking up against the top most popular athletes at some of the meetings
Right sounds like a lot of bluffing
Great conversation with some tricky topics. Brent and Pat handled it very professionally.. but you can Tommie especially nodding.. Sean and Tommie know the crap that's happened behind the scenes but they have to be careful too.. it's always felt weird watching Dave parade around like some of comical villain, but he looks like he believes his own hype. But at the end of the day, this all happened on Dave's watch.... Would not want that on my conscience.
Lol "we're not capitalizing on 2024 games". Also..."we're using the 2024 games as leverage".
Safety is important. But these guys talk in circles, contradict themselves, and don't seem to have a clear or consistent agenda.
I've been saying this following idea the whole time and I'm standing by it*; whoever hired the lifeguards makes a public apology owns up to their mistake and RESIGNS ON THE SPOT* if it was Dave then what i said applies to him obviously. I think the fact they have had no press conference or anything is beyond appalling and a complete disgrace. At this point Dave should get fired for hiding around in gyms hoping this "blows over" whoever was responsible for hiring those "lifeguards" should have to make a public recognition statement and fire themselves at the end of their speech. I don't want to hear about "waiting for the investigation" ANYMORE* that's crap, theres been more than enough time to sit around and wait.
Love how they compare themselves to NFL players. Bruh....you will NEVER be even taken even 1% as seriously as the NFL.
The PFAA is the HOA of fitness.
Brent and Pat!!❤
I am a strength coach of 26 years and have trained hundreds of professional athletes and some Olympic Athletes. I am not a CrossFit athlete. It is clear that the lack of leadership that Castro has demonstrated has shown that he doesn’t deserve the opportunity to have the position that he does. It is that simple. All organizations and teams and sporting organizations have performance reviews and in this case he has failed. The athletes have spoken. In addition to his poor leadership and lack of communication, he clearly doesn’t understand programming. The loss of one of their athletes in Lazar is a clear and present display of his ignorance and lack of duty of care. In the strength and conditioning and personal training industries if you do not demonstrate duty of care you are instantly liable. It doesn’t matter what waiver you sign. The program and the environment that day is an easy example of how duty of care was not demonstrated.
I know at least 15 games athletes that don't want you representing them.
As they stated...they are aware not all athletes are in agreement. In a athletes association like this, you will never have 100% agreement and they know that.
Is it the PFAS’s job though to put out a survey after an event and receive feedback it is it the job of the event organizers? Are there surveys sent out to athletes on the Olympics and each of their events that they participate in? I think this needs to be rehired by the PFAAA, otherwise you are bound to run in dialogue circles. At the end of the day, you need a leader to make a decision based on feedback, but whereby the sport also continues to evolve and move forward. I wonder what the PFAA’a views on evolution of the sport are. I’d love to hear those. Yes things can evolve while also being safe. Do feedback conversation need to happen with every event? Is it the PFAA’s job to do this? Ultimately, event leaders need to make decision, and just like Patrick said, hindsight is always 20/20 and it’s never possible to anticipate every single possible situation.
These guys have already been caught in multiple lies or half truths, why would anyone accept what they say?
It sucks for them that doing interviews like this are how to best spread their word, but they’re also really bad at it.
Might make more sense if all the athletes got a vote on larger issues like the removal of Dave from sport instead of just voting in the board of directors? That way a decision like that can’t be picked apart as just 8 people who hate Dave vs 60 or 70% of all the games athletes in the last two years want this. Can still keep the votes anonymous.
It's called leadership, and leaders make decisions and take action.
Why would athletes vote on the removal of Dave? Dave is an employee of Crossfit HQ.. HQ makes that decision... it would be ABSURD for them to have athletes vote. The PFAA just made a demand.. which they can make a demand..
@@violettefemme21 yes thanks. Obviously I mean a vote on the pfaa’s public demands of CrossFit.
@@TheCluniesadventures there’s also a thing called direct democracy. Especially in voting groups as small as games athletes.
I think that athletes who are active and experienced who make up the PFAA are probably the more outspoken. What about all the up and comers who probably feel voiceless who want to participate in the CrossFit games and have dreamed about it.
Already folks....is this worth 52:35 minutes of my time or nah?
Shout out from the Tampa Bay Games!
I always thought the swimming events were very wrong, even if you were just doing laps in 3' of water. A lot of athletes do not have to body composition to swim well, period, it has nothing to do with fitness. This is something that can never change even with years of training. As a Marine, I have huge respect and love for Seals, but this is not BUDS or anything else, this is supposed to be a test of fitness, nothing else. David Castro has worked his butt off for years putting all of this together, but it seems the focus has shifted to more niche events. Criss cross jumprope, parallel bar handstand walks? Again, not fitness. Yes I know there's balance and accuracy, but fundamentally it is constantly varied, high intensity, functional movements that's intended to help people through everyday life. When do people walk on their hands? C'mon, just stop
Good morning everyone.
I feel like they say a lot without saying anything at all.
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Maybe you just aren’t a good listener or lack critical thinking skills
In a study performed in 1990, researchers found that military leaders scored 20% lower on "resolving" (the tendency to negotiate instead of dictate) than their civilian peers. Dissent from the ranks is not tolerated in the military. It should come as no surprise that Dave has never admitted fault in any of the programming, even in the many scenarios in which there were considerable errors in the approach to safety.
At least that survey is totally not aged. A survey conducted in 2020 said something totally different. It’s on the internet.
Dissent is disobedience in the military. So of course it's not tolerated. But feedback and criticism are part and parcel of military training and actual warfare. You're really off the rails here.
Wonder if theyve cleaned up their act since being on coffee pods and wods, hope they've rehearsed this time....
PFAA needs to police the athletes as well. Competing injured should not be an option and it’s a liability. Example Pat and Roman both shouldn’t of been allowed to compete after their games injury as a risk to further injury themselves
Maybe a doctor / medical staff should determine that - like every other sport.
Sounds like it’s time for you guys to create something new.
Who ordered a yappucino?
30:09 I don’t understand the athletes coming first but it’s only a select few athletes that matter?
At some point you have to define what a "professional athlete" is for Crossfit.
Because an athlete just died!!!!!
Looks like you walked into a kangeroo court.
Brent would like that position
I highly doubt that
@@tbird7606 he has made it clear from the start he doesn’t like Castro then he creates a group for athletes voice their concerns and the one of his first demands is to out David. That’s usually how you control something start another organization in order to control the current one.
It is interesting how people are reacting to this topic. Pat and Brent clearly have an axe to grind with Dave. They are also claiming to represent the athletes which is factually incorrect (see Panchik and DiCicco's response). They are also focusing on one event the CF games when it suits their arguments for the PFAA. There are other events where athletes can earn dollars. If they do not like the CF events, don't compete to send your message. I suspect they would quickly see many other athletes step up. If they were both really serious about this, they and the board members would not compete in events the PFAA is involved in. It is a massive conflict of interest. (Completely violates the unknown and unknowable)
I would personally welcome a standard for competing in the CF games: All athletes must belong to an affiliate for a minimum of 6 months and they must have their L1 as a minimum.
Pat…. 🤚🏻
Gotcha
So the demand for Dave’s removal is because of more than this year, despite the fact that he was faintly involved in the 2023 games, and not involved at all since 2020. So these list of complaints go back to 2015-2020?? The athletes who you are representing now mostly weren’t even completing then!! 😂
Thats why the people that were there are on this podcast talking to those points
Dave programmed the 2020 and 2021 Games. You should rewrite to show you actually know something about the Games.
All I heard was bla bla bla, Dave out, bla bla bla. Not ONE SINGLE OBJECTIVE REASON for anything. NOT ONE Line about AFFILIATES, which are the CORE of CrossFit. They don't even are part of an Affiliate Gym. Ask the Gym owners about it. Let's see then.
How much say should an athlete have if they are currently competing? When does it cross the line of having an advantage if the athlete is part of this organization? Couldn’t it skew the competition towards the athletes that have a say? Maybe have an outside organization or retired athletes ….
How much do they not like Dave Castro? Cause I think it’s pretty obvious
I understand safety but the games was trash when Castro was gone so good luck with that.
I think there are several retired athletes who would do programming as well as Dave, maybe better... Frazer for example. I think it would be an advantage to have someone who really competed ...
Stop treating the PFAA's demand to remove Castro from CF Sport as if it's a personal vendetta. It's not. The Games were fine without Castro and they will get better with time even without him. CF just needs to get their head out of their own and Castro's arse so this sport can progress beyond Castro's (great) accomplishments.
Are you joking the programming this year at the games was the worst it's been in 10 years. Boz was doing something new and fresh last year was great.
Putting too much focus on entertainment and less on professionalism is what caused this tragedy that ended a life and changed many more in the first place. If this is not proof that this is more than just a game for your amusement I don't know what is....
Oh my goodness! Can you imagine how awful crossfit will be with these two heading the charge! The guys couldn't run a lawn business, let alone the PFAA!
I have one question: Did the PFAA ask crossfit for the overall safety plan as well as event specific safety plan? If so, why not share it with the public?
If you don't have an email requesting the information from HQ. Then you are not that serious about your message! Raising concerns and then doing the event means nothing. Having a lawyer who represents PFAA requesting information makes way more headway.
Complaining about how the past was is your own fault. There was a time Dave was not in charge. Why didn't you make a move then instead of sitting on your hands.
I believe the sport could excel from an athlete association. But you guys are all over the place. Nobody cares about your demands.
Pat, this whole interview, you say nobody wants to talk about safety. Then, you say not every meeting with HQ can be about safety. WTF are you trying to say?
I love Pat and Brent but in my opinion they should remove themselves from competition actively and then try to make these "demands".
Why? It's an athletes association, not a retired athletes association
Why?? That makes no sense....
It seems that the PFAA is extremely reactive and ill-equipped for policy conversations. Where are the advisors knowledgeable in areas of safety, medicine, and human factors? Those people need to be at the forefront to bring proactive conversation topics to the table. Also, why is the PFAA only concerned with the interests and opinions of top individual athletes when its actions affect all athletes who compete?
stop being ambiguous "There's a lot of stories that demonstrate a pattern of behaviour and willingful disengagement from a culture of safety" Give specific examples, give names so we people know exactly what you are talking about
They have spoken before about this. They have stated these stories are the athletes to tell so unless given permission they hold confinediality.
Also Sean does not want specific examples as he is trying his absolute hardest to try and protect Dave and the people at CrossFit, even if they started to say some I’m sure he would have tried to move it along real quick
You can disclose someone’s story without directly mentioning or even giving all the details so I’m not buying that …
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Tommy is such an apologists for Pat and Brent. I really like Pat and Brent, but they are still being shady. Making excuses as to why they cant meet with Dave. If you are really aspiring to be a union then you and your members strike the competitions. Dont show up to work and then complain that the boss isnt meeting your standards. If you arent willing to sacrifice competing then stop making mountains out of molehills.
Lol yeah the "shady" ones are definitely NOT the guy who just got someone killed.
They never said what the were and weren't willing to do yet
@@TheCluniesadventuresthat’s the problem. If you make demands you also need to have to have actions to follow of your demands are not meet….not I guess we will see what happens and maybe we have a secret plan. Foh
I really respect their love for the sport of CrossFit, but where is the love for CrossFit and its affiliates? If the PFAA is just top athletes and people who compete in the finals at the CF games, then they are a minority voice in the open. This is even more reason for CF affiliates not to support the open and hope for the end of the games if this is the direction.
Sport and methodology are to very different things now the same thing happened in mma back in the day you could have a family a 9-5 job train before or after work and stand a chance at winning and becoming the champ but that changed as the sport became more professional and CF is going through that now.
@@Craig-pk5cc the difference with MMA and CrossFit is so broad though. MMA is a mixture of disciplines and backgrounds into a competitive scene. Not a standard methodology with a shared name. There are a few UFC gyms but they are not the focus and are a byproduct of UFC. CrossFit Games is (was) a byproduct of the methodology. I enjoy and love the games but it’s no longer the CF games and more of mostly specialized camps and individuals working out just for competition that has no bearing or relation on the methodology.
A CULTURE OF FEAR yet no athlete brought it up even in the slightest in his 79 1x1 pregame conversations. Good go create something new and see where that gets you! #istandwithtdc #istandwithdavecastro
why the f would they bring it up then? time and place probably not the best. and maybe they did when they weren't recording. You don't know.
@@tbird7606 you would think if there were such grave concerns an they so called have been so worried about safety it would be a great time ! … and it’s amazing how some athletes are so wound up about safety of the games yet they competed year after year after.. the real statement would have been years ago to boycott competition if it was such a concern and so called no one’s listening… yet their are dozens of examples over the years where they have…. not all athletes ..but some ie PFAA are using this HORRIBLE TRAGEDY as an opportunity and their long time agenda to get rid of Castro in the guise of “safety”. …because they think they can program better and now as they are on their way out(career) and made their $$$$$ trying to stay relevant.
From what I get gather is that at the end of every competition or competition stage the PFAA send out a survey that they then keep to themselves instead of compiling the relevant safety concerns and sending them via email to CrossFit or any other event organiser, plus CC in PFAA members to show the work they are doing. If they had been doing this for the last 4 years they would have either evidence where they had suggested/or improved safety and evidence where organisers don't listen and/or neglected to improve safety.
Brent should not be the head of Safety as he has failed to be successful over such a long span of time.
Where did tjey say they keep it to themselves?
I'm about 0:04 seconds into this conversation and I don't know how to feel
Eliminate a lot of trust of athletes and people in the space. How many athletes, how many people in the space? again extremely ambiguous
Pat's reasoning about preforming at the best at that time of year is the exact reasoning why the PFAA is failing and needs to also be overhauled. As its Pesident has failed continuously to improve or correctly approach safety concerns
You have no idea about any of this do you lmao
this is embarrassing
brent and pat are clowns
sean and tommy don't push back
we need a real debate
Did you listen with the volume turned up?
CrossFit does have its advantages but… everyone can have an opinion and Dave may be a promoter but was caught in this one. He should have never said the “blessing” quote. He did come clean or was accountable but he made himself look bad. Pat and Brent are just standing up for the athletes. And to make CrossFit accountable
If athletes don’t trust CF, understandable. Do they need CF to make a living? I thought that was what sponsors were for.
How do sponsors grow that depend on the viewership of CrossFit?
It sounds like this fear topic is tied up in their own thoughts and emotions
A fifty two minute and 35 second way to say we hate Dave and want him fired.
Vellner is literally reading from a script to answer his first question. These dudes are pathetic! They should stop digging themselves a hole. I was sympathetic to their cause, but this is a complete joke.
I want to see CrossFit tell these guys no just to see what their trump card is. You have no power here.
Brent and Pat will also be gone in years… can’t wait
can't wait to see the montage of brent struggling to answer questions in the next hiller video 🤣
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