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What about all adult brother and brother or sister and sister or father and son or mother and daughter? Why is it bad genetically or any other way according to their worldview? It's exact same as homosexuality.
@Stormshadow420.But he said facts , men and a men having intimacy isn't weird, but a brother and a sister who are adults and they have intimacy is werid?? Didn't they say **love Is love**??
@@ufyyrud1254There is no harm in homosexual relationships as long as there is protection involved, and i'm pretty sure incest, aka cousins marriage is halal in Islam, although it doubles the risks of birth defects 😬
When the same sex people say "I'm not harming anyone while doing it". The same principle can be used, when a father and his daughter in her 20's giving consent to each other, while having protection on, have intercourse, "as long as they are not harming anyone" why would it not be immoral? Their subjective liberal worldview falls short here. Without objective morality, no one can justify their moral compass. Objective morality is needed in the society to keep subjective distortion from happening.
@@obsolete9734 So would a homosexual relationship if neither family likes the other. Like the brother said, both the incest and homosexual community have the same guidlines and everything, but then when you bring this up to individuals within the homosexual community, like you see here, they will refuse to support the incest community.
@@obsolete9734 Asalamu alaikum In this scenario, they use contraceptives so that won't have babies. So from their paradigm there is no harm. Also a scenario of a father and son or sister and sister or brother and brother means no possibility of babies.
Walaykum assalam, im not talking about procreating but more so in the situation of a father and his child there would be quite the power dynamic no? @@nomadnature3728
@@mohammedhussain502The vast majority of incest is their little daughters... Does that mean heterosexuality is wrong..? They are two different subjects.. Your logic is risible...
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true. I would have closed my ears from the one on the right laughing like a maniac every second but I think Ali should have used the example of brother and brother. Because brother and sister can still get pregnant with protection
@@enzo-nw6jtfr, my honest reaction be like: "Bro you dont even know how to start a normal convo while respecting the other person, no WONDER why your so illogical."
Their childish behaviour and them laughing and mocking the arguments of Ali just shows their absolute dishonesty. They do not possess the ability to hold a civlized conversation in a coherent manner, that‘s why they have to resort to shouting. Saying “It is just weird and wrong“ is no argument against Alis points, instead they are showing their incredible lack of intellect. You did a good job brother Ali, I personally think you should have been a bit harsher. Besides that, keep up the good work! May Allah bless you and your family!
They heard the truth and it was scaring them. Ali was shattering their world views, that's why they got hysterical and try to shut him off by talking loudly over him.
👽😳🥴 ah yes, let's just not believe in it and hopefully it will go away 🤪 I'd rather be safe than sorry. They say afterlife doesn't exist, ok atleast I lived righteously. Ok, and I say to them, afterlife does exist 😏 you're gonna become Muslim InshaAllah and follow Qur'an and Sunnah so that you have an "easy" afterlife aka you go Jannah, as this is the true promise by Allah (SWT) the fake lies/promises are from Iblis (Satan)@@KingGamerProHD
This is not a debate. The gay dudes didn't even let him talk and bombarded him with questions while Ali answered his question. They're either purposely acting ignorant, or just plain silly.
they can't go 2 minutes without allowing their massive egos spill through and laugh through every argument. What's funny is the lack of self awareness lol.
It's insecurity. They know they can't defend their position rationally. No one who defends homosexuality can. It's just about feelings despite every sane person knowing deep down it's wrong.
Brother Ali… Does wearing a pink jacket come from an objective morality or is it a subjective choice? ☺️ I was just kidding. We're proud of you. You're one of the most patient brother in the Speakers' Corner madhouse.
Not a Muslim myself or religious in any way for that matter, however Ali presented this debate with valid and accurate points to which I totally agree.
@@ianclose123 It has been proven more aids and HIV occurrences have occurred due to Homosexuality, and If God alone forbids it then it's forbidden period, this is something which islamic and Christian religion is forbidden. You must be an atheist.
@@ianclose123 sorry to burst your bubbles but your wrong infact a big 2019 study published in nature magazine says there is no such thing as it being genetic. another study found they have much higher levels of trauma as opposed to straight people. its environmental and thus preventable.
@@ianclose123 could be various things but it definitely isn't genetic. Which means your claim that it's natural is simply false at least scientifically speaking. Moreover the trauma is mostly related to childhood so nothing to do with prosecution. I'd say that it increases the likelihood of becoming bent potentially as one of those environmental factors. So your emotive tangent is not relevant here.
dude, they're so obnoxious, they don't even let ali speak. I don't mean to generalize but i feel like most lgbt arguments I've had were exactly like this one, the other individual doesn't let me propose my point of view and claims themselves to be the winner of the argument.
these liberals are almost certainly the lower iq parts of society, therefore they are unable to sit and have a discussion in the way 2 opposing intellectuals can
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I used to think in Highschool being gay wasnt bad and why did people care about it. I had a friend who was gay. Now after the equal marriage acted has been passed for over 10 years now and to see the degeneracy that has been unleashed is a great reason for other countries to never allow/ make this acceptable by equating it to actual marriage. I used to laugh at the people who would protest and say this is a slippery slope and to those people i owe an apology too.
Ali: "Why is incest wrong from your worldview?" Guy on the left: "IT'S JUST WRONG!!!" That's literally what most people in the West said about gays 50-100 years ago.
yes, exactly this. if we make justifications for one thing, soon enough we'll make justifications for everything else... morality will be totally gone and society will collapse.
Why is incest considered taboo? This is primarily due to its deviation from the innate inclination to avoid mating with close relatives, a concept explored in Darwin's book 'The Selfish Gene' in the context of altruism."
@@callumward7503 Sorry but due to modern protection, that reasoning fall short, even incest between same sex, like a Father and a son, you have zero argument against that in your old view, they can't have children, so what will be your excuse on that scenario?
@@carlososler7024 In nature, family members dont mate with each other yet help each other to survive. Do you know why? It increases the chance that their genes will be passed on to the new generation. Altruism among blood relatives is a response to natural selection.
They're saying that if a brother and sister have kids, the kids will be born with certain health conditions. But what about if they were 2 brothers, would that make it okay then 😂😂?
@@bokoya8396 he did and didn’t need to make that point. He already said “condoms” so no kids involved. Also, even if a disabled child was born from it, according to their liberal principles, that shouldn’t matter as all lives are equal and warranted, we don’t discriminate based on who’s able or disabled. It still shouldn’t matter.
As a Muslim, your comment is hypocritical of many arguments you give. You just don't see it... Wasn't it Ali who said society dictates what is beautiful and not by manipulating people into using makeup? Isn't it also society that associated the colour pink with feminism? Can't you see the inconsistent attitudes?
@@ordinarycitizen5592 I'm not. Wasn't the argument that a girl in a hijab doesn't need to wear makeup to make herself look like something society wants (makeup, hair etc). Same logic that society also associates pink and blue and you're using that societal view. Slightly hypocritical
@@drcommonsense1no thats not the argument. Muslim women are not allowed to wear make up because it is tabarruj which means beautification for non mahram men which includes (perfume, make up etc).
@alirvng6575 so if its about appearance for non-mahram men why do so many Muslim women wear makeup and perfume in general? This includes married women. In the West so many makeup and beauty shops are filled with Muslim women. Why is this?
Al-Qadr is the belief in predestination. This means that Allah already knows everything that will happen, and nothing happens unless it is according to Allah's will. However, this does not mean that the choices people make are not free choices. Instead, it means that Allah knows what people will chose to do. Allah is an eternal being and one day he decided that He will create other eternal being who He already knows will sin, He already knows He will punish them for eternity (he creates eternal being so he can punish them for eternity)… He already knows before He creates these souls that He will burn their skin off and grow it back just so He can burn their skin again, He will feed them poisonous foods and crush their skulls, the only drink He will give them is boiling water because He already knows they won’t obey his commands even before creating them… He will put this eternal soul in a finite body called a human… He will put the human through tests and if it fails the test (which he already knows they’ll fail) they have to face eternal punishment… So now that the soul failed the test Allah will punish the soul for an eternity… As long as Allah exist (which is forever) he will make sure every second of his own creation is spent in the most horrible, embarrassing and degrading way…
@@King-kw1moyou have free will and signs all around you, humanity has been warned on many accounts and occasions and if one CHOOSES to ignore all of it then that’s on him because like i said, they had the CHOICE. You make it seem like Allah azzawajel is cruel when he’s not. He’s the fairest, has he not given people signs? Has he not given people chances? Has he not blessed them with miracles? Has he not given people free will? Then taking in consideration all that how can you find the audacity to blame Allah azzawajel?
The problem with this argument is that it won't lead to them accepting the inconsistency of their morals and adopting ours. Instead, it will lead to the legalization of incest so long as it's between consenting adults.
It’s going to happen anyway, regardless of whether Ali says it or not. It’s a sound logical argument from, Ali and it’s one that should be heard. Again, the incest crowd of the lgbt use this same argument. Soon it will be lgbtq-i
Blood Incest is also forbidden in Islam so why are you even talking like Islam accepts it? Father - daughter. Brother - sister. This is all forbidden. Do you lot even know your Quran?
what a coincidence that lack of religion correlates so strongly with degeneracy, narcissism, and all disgusting traits🤔 for me this is one of the strongest evidences for God and the truthfulness of religion
I've noticed that everyiime they become speechless because of Ali's LOGICAL argument they just start shouting and spew nonsense. And don't let the other party say anything.
After you get them to admit that incest is weird and wrong, you have made your point to any sincere listener. Don't let them keep you on that point. You have to transition to explaining to them what the fitra of the human is and why it is that they inherently know incest is wrong. Explain to them that they inherently know all sins to be wrong but through outside influence they are taught to forget.
Stop making this statement, it’s a statement of kufr. Only Allah Azawajal knows who will go to Jannah, and NO one else. And Ali is very problematic since he has a murji aqeedah and has deficiency in tawheed and Al Wala Wal Bara. Repent if you’re sincere.
I like how they always refuse to acknowledge the incest argument when it comes to "love is love" because if there is an incestious relationship they automatically consider it as coercion when there many such relationships where both partners are eager and into it. Their entire argument is simply : "It's moral as long as society deems it as moral".
Should have went stronger on the view how it was illegal to be homosexual 50 years ago. It was considered harmful etc. And now it’s considered okay. The same as how they view incest now.
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One question that I want to ask them is: If incest is wrong because it's bad for the child and there are other scientific points etc. Does that mean that if two brothers or two sisters who are two consenting adults love each other and have intercourse is it okay then? Because they can't have children and they are not harming anyone. I am genuinely really interested in their answer to that. Because if they can say no it means that homosexuality also should be no and if they say yes then they are in fact pro incest.
But it would cause at a large scale If you're driving a car when you're underage with no driving license even if you don't harm you still will get penalty The difference between incest and homosexuality lies in the fact that If you deny incest you still can be active sexually with a partner lol Whereas if you reject homosexuality totally they cannot enjoy sex anymore One is more like a necessesity , hence we understand their negative consequences and try to deal with it. Whereas incest is unnecessary and harmful in general , thereby making it immoral.
The world has truly lost its ability to take words for what they mean. "Love is Love" yet they dont allow brother and sister to go love and love. Inconsistency at its finest. May allah guide them❤
The only reason stopping you is because Allah say so. I'm wondering if Allah allowed it you wouldn't have problems with sleeping with your mom and daughter because that the reasons you cover them in bags.
Never felt i wanted to punch someone that hard Continue your mission Ali, I am so proud we have people trying to spread the message of god in places where the very things that were hated/disgusting/wierd 50 years ago are now normal Iam SO PROUD to be a muslim
Funny how they are absolute lost and have no argument and then they try to make it as if Ali supports incest, but they dont recognise that they have absolute double standards
If they were so stuck on the "offspring" argument in a brother-sister relationship, you should've switched to sister-sister relationship to highlight their hypocrisy
@@actibonoh his point still valid he said us condom sterilization and abortions also exist if Unrelated people who has genetic disease can have kids why can't be siblings and reproduction after 40 also couse of birth defects but they have a kids
"If you don't fight, you can't lose" These two "MEN" tried to be right by not understanding any of the arguments or even avoiding listening. Bruhh...💀💀💀💀💀
So around 9:30 - ish mark, he says "You go for it, go for incest because you've made points for it" that THERE in lies the inconsistencies of that view.
when Ali is calm and composed and the homosexuals were letting their emotions out even if I didn't speak English I would be convinced Ali is winning the debate. The calmness and composure of Ali without any stuttering is something I truly want to implement to myself on a day to day basis
Use same gender Family as an example next time since its ideal in that case. Brother & Brother, Father & Son, Sister & Sister, Mother & Daughter. So they cant run away with the strawman Argument of disabled children.
It's doesn't need he already said use condom if they are Sterilized or infertile they can't have kids if want kids this is also no big deal inbreeding just increase the 5-6 percent chance of birth defects reproduction by people who are over 40 50-60 percent chance of birth defects reproduction by people who have genetic disorder disease disability 100 percent chance of birth defects if can have kids why can't be incest couple
he never said incest is ok hes trying to show why the "love is love" argument is a double standard and how morailty is subjective. If the only argument you can could up with is two consenting adults and love is love why not apply that same argument to other relationships?
It rare of the rarest situation incest mostly heterosexual issue if you allow incest two brother or two sister will brother and sister not demand their right
Why didn’t you use examples of two brothers or two sisters? 1. This removes the authoritative position, and you could even mention twins. If they refer to “the child,” consider how one of them might agree to undergo surgery to prevent having children. If they refute this, mention what is being taught in schools about hormone blockers and transgender issues. 2. Just because something causes harm doesn’t mean it should be illegal. For example, cheating on your wife is wrong and harmful to your wife and family, but it’s not illegal. The focus should shift from “illegal” to providing more insight and but remain objective and unbiased. People are allowed to make whatever choices they wish, especially if they don’t harm society. That said, it’s important to highlight that just because something is a personal choice and might not cause harm doesn’t mean it should be promoted. I f they oppose the sibling example, then consider making cheating illegal since it actually causes harm. Should people be arrested for infidelity? The moral approach is to control one’s urges and say no.
@@bluefiredemon448 yes a lot of ‘love between men’ references found in Greek texts are basically just that. There’s no evidence for example that Achilles and Patrocles from Troy were supposed to be ‘lovers,’ which modern readers sometimes try to claim. Also, when Athens and Sparta were hostile to each other each state referred to the others as ‘boy lovers’ so it wasn’t exactly a compliment!
Spot on with calling out their hypocrisy! They couldn’t handle it and had to keep screaming, twisting what you were saying, and turning around and looking for support in the crowd 😂
OMG!! THANK GOD the camera was behind that creature so my furiousness didn't increase by HAVING to watch his face whenever he does those stupid laughs and crap! And may God reward you for your patience brother
When I was a kid in 1977 girls I was in school with argued that female circumcision was not objectively wrong. It would be wrong if it was done to them but not wrong if it was done to an African girl born and brought up in Britain just because our cultures were different. If you remove objective morality then anything can be justified. They are angry because they cannot argue against incest even though they consider it to be "obviously" wrong. They would have appealed to genetics but when that was removed they had nothing because without Allah anything can be justified and daily is being justified.
@@somerandomguywastaken he didn’t need to bring that up, as liberals, they should have no problem with a disabled child being born from an incestous relationship. According to their world view and even our world view as Muslims, a disabled child is no less warranted or less equal than an abled body child. The lgbt people should have no problem with incest, even if a disabled child is produced.
@@gloverdragon6854 Ali made perfectly valid arguments they couldn't refute, it was just tiresome to hear the "bad genes" argument be pushed by them, where the brother-brother scenario would've completely been undefendable by them. But these LGBTV mandem will always find a way to wriggle out of logic tbf
@@somerandomguywastaken tbf on Ali, every time they said bad genes, he said “condoms, no children”, but they kept on repeating the same thing. It shows that they were always going to be unjust and spew bad faith arguments, even if they were already given a logical preventative answer or even if he had said father and son. They were always going to use heckling and disturbance tactics as their go to move. They obviously were not going to say the genes argument, but they were always going to use bad faith tactics.
They have such a shallow way of thinking, it's really hard to watch. Why did he keep laughing and interrupting while searching for validation from those around him by telling them that Ali supports incest. Ali's point was clear as day yet the other man took it for everything it was not. Was he present in the argument or was he just arguing for the sake of saying random rubbish? Truly no manners and lack of thinking skills.
Next time you debate lgbtq people, don't use brother sister instead use brother brother or mother daughter, father son , sister sister, see if they accept incest when they're presented as gays or lesbians.
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Why are they trying to argue as if they have something to say. They should just accept that Ali is right. Its either inconsistency or they should add incest to LGBT.
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Ali next Time say "gay incest"
They won't be able to bring in "oH cHiLd"
Look at them crumble like a cookie when you bring up the scary "i"
The guy your talking to is so gay 😂😂😂
Fact
You know you are wrong when you have to laugh off every arguement .
Yeah just laughing like twats. Proper mugs.
Was he crying or laughing?
@@omerghorizai6352 both
Cuzzo 😂 you're not lying lol
What about all adult brother and brother or sister and sister or father and son or mother and daughter? Why is it bad genetically or any other way according to their worldview? It's exact same as homosexuality.
They can't go 1 minute without laughing and shouting like an idiot. The amount of patience you need to talk to such people is insane.
@@uzair_7151We got a LGBTQ burner acc in here yeah right you didn't hear them they were loud asf you must be deaf so sorry for u
@Stormshadow420.But he said facts , men and a men having intimacy isn't weird, but a brother and a sister who are adults and they have intimacy is werid?? Didn't they say **love Is love**??
if they would have patience they would have married a girl.
And the moment Ali used the insest argument i imidietly knew they would try to say that he is pro insest boody idiots
@@ufyyrud1254There is no harm in homosexual relationships as long as there is protection involved, and i'm pretty sure incest, aka cousins marriage is halal in Islam, although it doubles the risks of birth defects 😬
When the same sex people say "I'm not harming anyone while doing it". The same principle can be used, when a father and his daughter in her 20's giving consent to each other, while having protection on, have intercourse, "as long as they are not harming anyone" why would it not be immoral?
Their subjective liberal worldview falls short here. Without objective morality, no one can justify their moral compass. Objective morality is needed in the society to keep subjective distortion from happening.
Wouldn't a father and a daughter doing this cause severe familial issues?
@@obsolete9734 So would a homosexual relationship if neither family likes the other. Like the brother said, both the incest and homosexual community have the same guidlines and everything, but then when you bring this up to individuals within the homosexual community, like you see here, they will refuse to support the incest community.
@@obsolete9734
Asalamu alaikum
In this scenario, they use contraceptives so that won't have babies. So from their paradigm there is no harm. Also a scenario of a father and son or sister and sister or brother and brother means no possibility of babies.
Walaykum assalam, im not talking about procreating but more so in the situation of a father and his child there would be quite the power dynamic no? @@nomadnature3728
@@mohammedhussain502The vast majority of incest is their little daughters... Does that mean heterosexuality is wrong..? They are two different subjects.. Your logic is risible...
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Yep
Thanks bro
The amount of patience you need! Hats off bro
For real
The gay guys barely let the brother talk to the point where I felt like I was going insane 💀
true. I would have closed my ears from the one on the right laughing like a maniac every second but I think Ali should have used the example of brother and brother. Because brother and sister can still get pregnant with protection
@@enzo-nw6jthuh? Seems more like Ali Dawah doesn't even let them ginish their statements.
@@enzo-nw6jtfr, my honest reaction be like:
"Bro you dont even know how to start a normal convo while respecting the other person, no WONDER why your so illogical."
Watching these videos just makes me so grateful to be muslim. Thank God for islam.
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father of modern day computing was gay. Better stop using youtube if you dislike lgbtq.
@@transformerstuff7029what sort of logic is that?
@@transformerstuff7029 Father of algebra was muslim by his research coding was evolved you better stop using computer first.
Their childish behaviour and them laughing and mocking the arguments of Ali just shows their absolute dishonesty. They do not possess the ability to hold a civlized conversation in a coherent manner, that‘s why they have to resort to shouting. Saying “It is just weird and wrong“ is no argument against Alis points, instead they are showing their incredible lack of intellect.
You did a good job brother Ali, I personally think you should have been a bit harsher. Besides that, keep up the good work!
May Allah bless you and your family!
They heard the truth and it was scaring them. Ali was shattering their world views, that's why they got hysterical and try to shut him off by talking loudly over him.
Don't worry, they gonna regret what they did once they feel the fire coming through
👽😳🥴 ah yes, let's just not believe in it and hopefully it will go away 🤪 I'd rather be safe than sorry. They say afterlife doesn't exist, ok atleast I lived righteously. Ok, and I say to them, afterlife does exist 😏 you're gonna become Muslim InshaAllah and follow Qur'an and Sunnah so that you have an "easy" afterlife aka you go Jannah, as this is the true promise by Allah (SWT) the fake lies/promises are from Iblis (Satan)@@KingGamerProHD
This is not a debate. The gay dudes didn't even let him talk and bombarded him with questions while Ali answered his question. They're either purposely acting ignorant, or just plain silly.
They're gay, that's the first problem. They act like an emotional woman in a debate.
@@xcurrentbreeze6626don’t insult women like that bro
@@hysteriwhat he’s not wrong
@@xcurrentbreeze6626oh come one no need to insult your sisters in deen like that .
@@bigthugll153let’s not disrespect the sisters in Islam
they can't go 2 minutes without allowing their massive egos spill through and laugh through every argument. What's funny is the lack of self awareness lol.
Yes omg can't they listen to themselves
It's insecurity. They know they can't defend their position rationally. No one who defends homosexuality can. It's just about feelings despite every sane person knowing deep down it's wrong.
That is the jinn inside of them speaking
Brother Ali… Does wearing a pink jacket come from an objective morality or is it a subjective choice? ☺️
I was just kidding. We're proud of you. You're one of the most patient brother in the Speakers' Corner madhouse.
As salam u alaikum. Lol, may allah swt grant you jannah for your kind words. I objectively love you for the sake of Allah swt.
you had me in the first half lmao
had me laughing mate, may allah bless the both of you.
@@AliDawah How can anyone sound this brainwashed lol
@@AliDawah Ameen
Not a Muslim myself or religious in any way for that matter, however Ali presented this debate with valid and accurate points to which I totally agree.
There's a lot more to agree on in Islam. I invite you to see it for yourself, and examine our humanistic need for religion/God :)
Not a Muslim, but I have a lot of Muslim friends. Really respect people like you standing up to modern society.
اللَّهُمَّ انْفَعْنِي بِمَا عَلَّمْتَنِي، وَعَلَّمْنِي مَا يَنْفَعُنِي، وَزِدْنِي عِلْمًا
Ameen
Translated: O Allah, benefit me with what you have taught me, and teach me what will benefit me, and increase my knowledge.
ameen
Ameen.
Jazak Allahu Khayran
BarakAllahu Feek
Alhamdullilahi rabbi al'alameen
امين
Islam is just natural and logical.
Correct, but acting upon it is a sin. I am not to judge, Allah gave free will to all. @@ianclose123
@@ianclose123 It has been proven more aids and HIV occurrences have occurred due to Homosexuality, and If God alone forbids it then it's forbidden period, this is something which islamic and Christian religion is forbidden. You must be an atheist.
@@ianclose123hetersexuality is natural homosexuality is delusional
@@ianclose123 sorry to burst your bubbles but your wrong infact a big 2019 study published in nature magazine says there is no such thing as it being genetic. another study found they have much higher levels of trauma as opposed to straight people. its environmental and thus preventable.
@@ianclose123 could be various things but it definitely isn't genetic. Which means your claim that it's natural is simply false at least scientifically speaking.
Moreover the trauma is mostly related to childhood so nothing to do with prosecution. I'd say that it increases the likelihood of becoming bent potentially as one of those environmental factors. So your emotive tangent is not relevant here.
dude, they're so obnoxious, they don't even let ali speak. I don't mean to generalize but i feel like most lgbt arguments I've had were exactly like this one, the other individual doesn't let me propose my point of view and claims themselves to be the winner of the argument.
pigeon 🐦 chess = where the pigeon knocks over all the pieces on the chess board and then struts around as if it won while crapping on everything.
@esahg5421 well said bro
these liberals are almost certainly the lower iq parts of society, therefore they are unable to sit and have a discussion in the way 2 opposing intellectuals can
i dont think i could stand 2 minutes in front of these people before giving up
Ali has a lot of patience
Ikr i would want to screem
those who are faithless and deny Our signs, they shall be the inmates of the Fire and they shall remain in it forever” (Q 2:39).
and u think that u will go to paradise following an illiterate prophet who married a girl. Get a life!
🌹1.Don't insult (Q 49:11 )
🌹2.Speak kindly (Q2:83)
🌹3.Speak gently (Q 17:28 )
🌹4.Don't backbite (Q 49:12 )
🌹5.Speak the Truth (Q 3:17 )
🌹6.Keep your oaths (Q5:89)
🌹7.Do not be arrogant (Q 7:13 )
🌹8.Restrain your anger (Q3:134)
🌹9.Think good of others (Q 24:12 )
🌹10.Don't be rude to parents (Q 17:23 )
🌹11.Don't make fun of others (Q 49:11 )
🌹12.Turn away from ill speech (Q23:3)
🌹13.Walk in a humble manner (Q25:63)
🌹14.Keep your trusts & promises (Q23:8)
🌹15.Don't claim yourself to be pure (Q 53:32 )
🌹16.Do not even approach adultery (Q 17:32 )
🌹17.Don't call others with bad names (Q 49:11 )
🌹18.Remember Allah and be thankful (Q2:152)
🌹19.Speak nicely, even to the ignorant (Q25:63)
🌹20.Don't ask for repayment for favours (Q76:9)
🌹21.If enemy wants peace, then accept it (Q8:61)
🌹22.Salute the Prophet (saw), do salawats (Q 33:56 )
🌹23.Call ˹all˺ people to the pilgrimage (hajj) (Q 22:27 )
🌹24.Give charity /spend (in the way of Allah) (Q2:254)
🌹25.Don’t criticize small donation/charity of others (9:79)
🌹26.Be mindful of Allah and be with the truthful (Q9:119)
🌹27.Do not consume one another’s wealth unjustly (Q2:188)
🌹28.Stand firm for justice even if it is against yourselves(Q4:135)
🌹29.Don't remind others of the favours you done to them (Q2:264)
🌹30.Return a greeting in a better manner or at least the same (Q4:86)
🌹31.Do not be excessive, extravagant, don't spend wastefully (Q 17:26 )
🌹32 Life of this world is no more than the delusion of enjoyment (Q3:185)
🌹33.Performing prayers (salat/namaz) is a duty on the believers (Q4:103)
🌹34.Turn away from trash talk like gossip, slandering people etc.(Q 28:55 )
🌹35.Fasting is prescribed for you-as it was for those before you (Q2:183)
🌹36.Don't bribe authorities in order to devour a portion of others’ property(Q2:188)
🌹37.Establish prayer (salat/namaz) and donate from what was provided (Q8:3)
🌹38.Establish prayer (salat/namaz) and donate from what was provided (Q 14:31 )
🌹39.Establish prayer (salat/namaz), pay alms-tax, and bow down with those who bow down (Q 2:43 )
🌹🕋40.Know that this worldly life is no more than play, amusement, luxury, mutual boasting, and competition in wealth and children.(Q 57:20 )🕋🌹
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🌹Don't insult (Q 49:11 ), when you google Quran 49:11, then you will see the complete surah’s English translation and you will see following:
☝️🕋O believers! Do not let some ˹men˺ ridicule others, they may be better than them, nor let ˹some˺ women ridicule other women, they may be better than them. Do not defame one another, nor call each other by offensive nicknames. How evil it is to act rebelliously after having faith! And whoever does not repent, it is they who are the ˹true˺ wrongdoers.☝️🕋
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🌺🌺🌺🕋Quran 39:53🕋🌺🌺🌺
Say, ˹O Prophet, that Allah says,˺ “O My servants who have exceeded the limits against their souls! Do not lose hope in Allah’s mercy, for Allah certainly forgives all sins. He is indeed the All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
🌺🌺🌺🕋Quran 25:70🕋🌺🌺🌺
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We are 1 Ummah, you are not alone with your struggles, this world is a temporary place, are you preparing yourself for the day of Judgement
I wonder who first started this comment/trend.
@@hypermangi8265 i don't know
I don’t know how you’ve managed to stay sane whilst debating these people, brother may Allah protect you.
Amin
I used to think in Highschool being gay wasnt bad and why did people care about it. I had a friend who was gay. Now after the equal marriage acted has been passed for over 10 years now and to see the degeneracy that has been unleashed is a great reason for other countries to never allow/ make this acceptable by equating it to actual marriage. I used to laugh at the people who would protest and say this is a slippery slope and to those people i owe an apology too.
Thank you for making them crumble Ali 😂
Sorry they/them/her/he*
ali cooked them you roasted it
@@savezkidd1😅
@@savezkidd1 pi/po/to/lo/jo/mo/ko/no/sho
Ali: "Why is incest wrong from your worldview?"
Guy on the left: "IT'S JUST WRONG!!!"
That's literally what most people in the West said about gays 50-100 years ago.
yes, exactly this. if we make justifications for one thing, soon enough we'll make justifications for everything else... morality will be totally gone and society will collapse.
Why is incest considered taboo? This is primarily due to its deviation from the innate inclination to avoid mating with close relatives, a concept explored in Darwin's book 'The Selfish Gene' in the context of altruism."
@@callumward7503 Sorry but due to modern protection, that reasoning fall short, even incest between same sex, like a Father and a son, you have zero argument against that in your old view, they can't have children, so what will be your excuse on that scenario?
@@callumward7503 Muslims arn't interested in facts,they prefer blind prejudice
@@carlososler7024 In nature, family members dont mate with each other yet help each other to survive. Do you know why? It increases the chance that their genes will be passed on to the new generation. Altruism among blood relatives is a response to natural selection.
The amount of patience Ali has is amazing, i would throw hands if i was there 😂😂
may ali be given paradise by his patience
Amin
wow my head would burst being cut off like that, mashaAllah Allah (SWT) has given you so much Sabr for this, you're perfect for giving Dawah.
They're saying that if a brother and sister have kids, the kids will be born with certain health conditions.
But what about if they were 2 brothers, would that make it okay then 😂😂?
I don't know why Ali didnt make that point
This is the comment that needs to be at the top of this comment section
@@bokoya8396 he did and didn’t need to make that point. He already said “condoms” so no kids involved. Also, even if a disabled child was born from it, according to their liberal principles, that shouldn’t matter as all lives are equal and warranted, we don’t discriminate based on who’s able or disabled. It still shouldn’t matter.
Bro. Got emmmmm
Take this comment to the top
Bro Ali alone fighting for his POV like a lion while representing ISLAM 😎
May Allah give u more knowledge, wisdom and courage 🇮🇳 (from INDIA)
Ameen
lmao. Amin.
Amin
I love how Ali decided to wear a pink jacket on this occasion 😂. May allah bless you akhi
As a Muslim, your comment is hypocritical of many arguments you give. You just don't see it...
Wasn't it Ali who said society dictates what is beautiful and not by manipulating people into using makeup? Isn't it also society that associated the colour pink with feminism? Can't you see the inconsistent attitudes?
@@drcommonsense1Bro you must be joking 😂😂
@@ordinarycitizen5592 I'm not. Wasn't the argument that a girl in a hijab doesn't need to wear makeup to make herself look like something society wants (makeup, hair etc). Same logic that society also associates pink and blue and you're using that societal view. Slightly hypocritical
@@drcommonsense1no thats not the argument. Muslim women are not allowed to wear make up because it is tabarruj which means beautification for non mahram men which includes (perfume, make up etc).
@alirvng6575 so if its about appearance for non-mahram men why do so many Muslim women wear makeup and perfume in general? This includes married women. In the West so many makeup and beauty shops are filled with Muslim women. Why is this?
Allahuakbar. Islam is a blessing
Al-Qadr is the belief in predestination. This means that Allah already knows everything that will happen, and nothing happens unless it is according to Allah's will. However, this does not mean that the choices people make are not free choices. Instead, it means that Allah knows what people will chose to do. Allah is an eternal being and one day he decided that He will create other eternal being who He already knows will sin, He already knows He will punish them for eternity (he creates eternal being so he can punish them for eternity)… He already knows before He creates these souls that He will burn their skin off and grow it back just so He can burn their skin again, He will feed them poisonous foods and crush their skulls, the only drink He will give them is boiling water because He already knows they won’t obey his commands even before creating them… He will put this eternal soul in a finite body called a human… He will put the human through tests and if it fails the test (which he already knows they’ll fail) they have to face eternal punishment… So now that the soul failed the test Allah will punish the soul for an eternity… As long as Allah exist (which is forever) he will make sure every second of his own creation is spent in the most horrible, embarrassing and degrading way…
this life is just a test. @@King-kw1mo
@@King-kw1moyou have free will and signs all around you, humanity has been warned on many accounts and occasions and if one CHOOSES to ignore all of it then that’s on him because like i said, they had the CHOICE. You make it seem like Allah azzawajel is cruel when he’s not. He’s the fairest, has he not given people signs? Has he not given people chances? Has he not blessed them with miracles? Has he not given people free will? Then taking in consideration all that how can you find the audacity to blame Allah azzawajel?
The problem with this argument is that it won't lead to them accepting the inconsistency of their morals and adopting ours. Instead, it will lead to the legalization of incest so long as it's between consenting adults.
True !!!
Bro, in a few decades, they probably would anyway
Maybe am being too optimistic and it would even be sooner
It’s going to happen anyway, regardless of whether Ali says it or not. It’s a sound logical argument from, Ali and it’s one that should be heard. Again, the incest crowd of the lgbt use this same argument. Soon it will be lgbtq-i
@@Paper-Zthere is already legal battle, mom and her son wanted to get married both are adults. They said love is love.
Blood Incest is also forbidden in Islam so why are you even talking like Islam accepts it? Father - daughter. Brother - sister. This is all forbidden. Do you lot even know your Quran?
This man has given me so much knowledge about our deen and helped me improve my communication skills to teach other people too
they are struggling very hard to come up with a concrete response to tackle Ali points.
I need 10% of Ali's patience and I'm set for life.
what a coincidence that lack of religion correlates so strongly with degeneracy, narcissism, and all disgusting traits🤔 for me this is one of the strongest evidences for God and the truthfulness of religion
I've noticed that everyiime they become speechless because of Ali's LOGICAL argument they just start shouting and spew nonsense. And don't let the other party say anything.
After you get them to admit that incest is weird and wrong, you have made your point to any sincere listener. Don't let them keep you on that point.
You have to transition to explaining to them what the fitra of the human is and why it is that they inherently know incest is wrong. Explain to them that they inherently know all sins to be wrong but through outside influence they are taught to forget.
The amount of tolerance Ali had for these man, May Brother is led to the path of Jannah. Ameen
Stop making this statement, it’s a statement of kufr. Only Allah Azawajal knows who will go to Jannah, and NO one else. And Ali is very problematic since he has a murji aqeedah and has deficiency in tawheed and Al Wala Wal Bara. Repent if you’re sincere.
you say Insha Allah
i agree, sorry bro.. chaneged the comment just because of you, JazakAllah@@Holistic_Islam
I like how they always refuse to acknowledge the incest argument when it comes to "love is love" because if there is an incestious relationship they automatically consider it as coercion when there many such relationships where both partners are eager and into it. Their entire argument is simply : "It's moral as long as society deems it as moral".
That was amazing dawah good job brother ali may allah bless you❤
What a patient lad. May God grant you paradise brother
there is a saying in my country which goes: You can wake someone who's asleep, but you can't wake up someone who's pretending to sleep
Should have went stronger on the view how it was illegal to be homosexual 50 years ago. It was considered harmful etc. And now it’s considered okay. The same as how they view incest now.
What they need is a good old fashion slap in the face
بارك الله فيكم...
اللهم اغفر لوالدينا و ارحمهما و اجمعنا معهما في الفردوس الأعلى مع الأنبياء و الشهداء و الصالحين و جميع موتى المسلمين..
اللهم احقن دماء المسلمين و انصرهم على من عاداهم..
رب إني مسني الضر و أنت أرحم الراحمين...
لا إله إلا أنت سبحانك إني كنت من الظالمين.....
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One question that I want to ask them is: If incest is wrong because it's bad for the child and there are other scientific points etc. Does that mean that if two brothers or two sisters who are two consenting adults love each other and have intercourse is it okay then? Because they can't have children and they are not harming anyone. I am genuinely really interested in their answer to that. Because if they can say no it means that homosexuality also should be no and if they say yes then they are in fact pro incest.
homosexuality is very damaging to society, the individual and the family, but they are not accepting that
But it would cause at a large scale
If you're driving a car when you're underage with no driving license even if you don't harm you still will get penalty
The difference between incest and homosexuality lies in the fact that
If you deny incest you still can be active sexually with a partner lol
Whereas if you reject homosexuality totally they cannot enjoy sex anymore
One is more like a necessesity , hence we understand their negative consequences and try to deal with it.
Whereas incest is unnecessary and harmful in general , thereby making it immoral.
Family meme bees shouldn’t be sexual with each other how is this being missed
The world has truly lost its ability to take words for what they mean. "Love is Love" yet they dont allow brother and sister to go love and love. Inconsistency at its finest.
May allah guide them❤
The only reason stopping you is because Allah say so. I'm wondering if Allah allowed it you wouldn't have problems with sleeping with your mom and daughter because that the reasons you cover them in bags.
They laughed at every argument and didn't even refute it, this just shows that you were in the right.
May Allah Bless our brothers and sisters of ummah with Jannah
Aameen Summa Aameen
Don't forget to say:
Subhanallah 33x
Astagfirullah 33x
Alhumdulillah 33x
La ilaha illallah 34x
Good deeds for you and me❤
brother according to the hadith you say allahuakbar 34 timies and the rest 33
@@AbdullahArguer i completely forgot, Jazak Allah khair.
@@survivorisland source: anonymous author
Thank you for your work ... May Allah guide us all
Homosexuality is just as bad as incest. I agree with the muslims on this
Never felt i wanted to punch someone that hard
Continue your mission Ali, I am so proud we have people trying to spread the message of god in places where the very things that were hated/disgusting/wierd 50 years ago are now normal
Iam SO PROUD to be a muslim
"it's not the same thing"
That's how it starts ...
Funny how they are absolute lost and have no argument and then they try to make it as if Ali supports incest, but they dont recognise that they have absolute double standards
OMG Ali, you dropped the ball.. should've went with son and father relationship at the beginning..
Masha Allah,May Allah Reward U Ali Dawah
LOVE IS LOVE ?
THE NORMAL MEANING OF LOVE IS
MAN ❤️ WOMAN
Enough that's a law sense the start of human existence
If they were so stuck on the "offspring" argument in a brother-sister relationship, you should've switched to sister-sister relationship to highlight their hypocrisy
@@actibonoh his point still valid he said us condom sterilization and abortions also exist if Unrelated people who has genetic disease can have kids why can't be siblings and reproduction after 40 also couse of birth defects but they have a kids
“I have objective morality, y’all have subjective moralities “ that was such a great answer 🏃🏽♂️
just about 1:20 into the video and i'm already disgusted these people are lost
alhamdoulilah for the blessings of islam may allah grant us jannah
Amin
"If you don't fight, you can't lose"
These two "MEN" tried to be right by not understanding any of the arguments or even avoiding listening.
Bruhh...💀💀💀💀💀
I'm a Christian, I find this Muslim man an outstanding debater. Deontology is a weakness of the left.
I love to hear how they would have replied to incest between 2 brothers; or a man and his son.
Its crazy how insincere people can be.
They also have holy spirit
yeah muslims will lie allday part of the Cult ethos
Tell me bruzza.
@@kryptoniteee all religions are made up stories
Great points Ali! Well done 👍🏻
ALI WHAT A LION YOU ARE MY BROTHER 🦁☝🏼
So around 9:30 - ish mark, he says "You go for it, go for incest because you've made points for it" that THERE in lies the inconsistencies of that view.
He should gave him the example of two mature brothers or a father and adult son
I kept saying this over and over like why didn’t he say brother and brother, his point was still valid tho
@@ibrahimbarro5432 it was, but then the hypocrites will say there’s a risk of pregnancy
"Thousand pushups a day keeps the homosexuals away" - Andrew Tate
@@BILLZ32155 yes in the prison stream
when Ali is calm and composed and the homosexuals were letting their emotions out even if I didn't speak English I would be convinced Ali is winning the debate. The calmness and composure of Ali without any stuttering is something I truly want to implement to myself on a day to day basis
Respect to ali for having the patience to deal with those guys, they just refused to let him speak + they refused to answer his questions
Use same gender Family as an example next time since its ideal in that case.
Brother & Brother, Father & Son, Sister & Sister, Mother & Daughter.
So they cant run away with the strawman Argument of disabled children.
It's doesn't need he already said use condom if they are Sterilized or infertile they can't have kids if want kids this is also no big deal inbreeding just increase the 5-6 percent chance of birth defects reproduction by people who are over 40 50-60 percent chance of birth defects reproduction by people who have genetic disorder disease disability 100 percent chance of birth defects if can have kids why can't be incest couple
Ali has the highest level of patience I have ever seen. The fact that he is able to talk to such a loud and unserious guy is absolutely mind blowing.
18:55
Ali: « A man is inserting his penis into another man’s rectum »
Gay 1: « yeah but there’s lots of shit going on »
Couldn’t be more right 😂
he never said incest is ok hes trying to show why the "love is love" argument is a double standard and how morailty is subjective. If the only argument you can could up with is two consenting adults and love is love why not apply that same argument to other relationships?
Good job bro❤ (from India 🇮🇳)
Their facial expressions clearly shown doubt on their own points.. deep down, they know it is wrong.
Ali keep up the good work bro
they lack the basic manners of shutting up when someone is making a point
this is why a father figure is important in our lives
may Allaa protect us from these corrupted people🤲❤️
Ali Dawah could have shut it down by saying two brothers having a incestuous relationship instead of the brother sister example which had loopholes.
It rare of the rarest situation incest mostly heterosexual issue if you allow incest two brother or two sister will brother and sister not demand their right
Why didn’t you use examples of two brothers or two sisters?
1. This removes the authoritative position, and you could even mention twins.
If they refer to “the child,” consider how one of them might agree to undergo surgery to prevent having children. If they refute this, mention what is being taught in schools about hormone blockers and transgender issues.
2. Just because something causes harm doesn’t mean it should be illegal. For example, cheating on your wife is wrong and harmful to your wife and family, but it’s not illegal. The focus should shift from “illegal” to providing more insight and but remain objective and unbiased. People are allowed to make whatever choices they wish, especially if they don’t harm society. That said, it’s important to highlight that just because something is a personal choice and might not cause harm doesn’t mean it should be promoted. I
f they oppose the sibling example, then consider making cheating illegal since it actually causes harm. Should people be arrested for infidelity? The moral approach is to control one’s urges and say no.
a small point but also worth noting that it’s a complete myth that Ancient Greece and Rome widely accepted homosexuality- they didn’t.
Yeah I heard they where in love in a brotherly way. Like seeing your best friend as a beother
@@bluefiredemon448 yes a lot of ‘love between men’ references found in Greek texts are basically just that. There’s no evidence for example that Achilles and Patrocles from Troy were supposed to be ‘lovers,’ which modern readers sometimes try to claim. Also, when Athens and Sparta were hostile to each other each state referred to the others as ‘boy lovers’ so it wasn’t exactly a compliment!
May ALLAH Safeguard Us And Our Children From The People Of Sodom!
LOL you know its funny when the reject their ‘love is love’
Spot on with calling out their hypocrisy! They couldn’t handle it and had to keep screaming, twisting what you were saying, and turning around and looking for support in the crowd 😂
Standing in front of these 2 weird things without bitting them is in itself a win
6:25 "mate mate, can we talk about something else" 😂 clear running away tactic
The irony is a homosexual is talking about health risk 🤦
STDs😂😂
OMG!! THANK GOD the camera was behind that creature so my furiousness didn't increase by HAVING to watch his face whenever he does those stupid laughs and crap!
And may God reward you for your patience brother
Selfish shallow people define themselves by their sexuality
Probably in the west, but in the Muslim world homosexuality is punished by law, and gay people is prosecuted and killed.
The patients you have to have with these kind of people is absolutely amazing Allah give me strength
When I was a kid in 1977 girls I was in school with argued that female circumcision was not objectively wrong. It would be wrong if it was done to them but not wrong if it was done to an African girl born and brought up in Britain just because our cultures were different. If you remove objective morality then anything can be justified. They are angry because they cannot argue against incest even though they consider it to be "obviously" wrong. They would have appealed to genetics but when that was removed they had nothing because without Allah anything can be justified and daily is being justified.
It was annoying Ali didn't bring up the idea of a brother-brother and father-son. Wonder what they would've said then
@@somerandomguywastaken he didn’t need to bring that up, as liberals, they should have no problem with a disabled child being born from an incestous relationship. According to their world view and even our world view as Muslims, a disabled child is no less warranted or less equal than an abled body child. The lgbt people should have no problem with incest, even if a disabled child is produced.
@@gloverdragon6854 Ali made perfectly valid arguments they couldn't refute, it was just tiresome to hear the "bad genes" argument be pushed by them, where the brother-brother scenario would've completely been undefendable by them. But these LGBTV mandem will always find a way to wriggle out of logic tbf
@@somerandomguywastaken tbf on Ali, every time they said bad genes, he said “condoms, no children”, but they kept on repeating the same thing. It shows that they were always going to be unjust and spew bad faith arguments, even if they were already given a logical preventative answer or even if he had said father and son. They were always going to use heckling and disturbance tactics as their go to move. They obviously were not going to say the genes argument, but they were always going to use bad faith tactics.
They have such a shallow way of thinking, it's really hard to watch. Why did he keep laughing and interrupting while searching for validation from those around him by telling them that Ali supports incest. Ali's point was clear as day yet the other man took it for everything it was not. Was he present in the argument or was he just arguing for the sake of saying random rubbish? Truly no manners and lack of thinking skills.
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Next time you debate lgbtq people, don't use brother sister instead use brother brother or mother daughter, father son , sister sister, see if they accept incest when they're presented as gays or lesbians.
7:10 man said physical basis. That just destroys his own belief system
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Second Mistake - 8:35 this lunatic says he finds a 16yr old meeting an older man weird and then says he has a right to his opinions. 😂
These two guys got destroyed by giving their argument......
To all people: Purify your heart, open your mind, read the Qur'an and authentic hadiths, and thinking then ask the scholars and experts any questions you have.
Anyone who seeks the right path in this way will surely find that Islam is true and from God because the religion (the Quran and authentic hadiths) is based on evidence.
Why are they trying to argue as if they have something to say. They should just accept that Ali is right. Its either inconsistency or they should add incest to LGBT.