The RSPCA and the Labor Party are on a mission to ban Bowhunting in South Australia. I discuss the topic. Is Bowhunting inaccurate? / rspcasouthaustralia / susanclosemp
The RSPCA would salivate when someone does the wrong thing with a gun or a bow. To them it’s an opportunity to use emotion to push their agenda. I wrote a couple of extremely long comments on the FB post. People basing their beliefs and arguments on emotion can rarely be reasoned with. As for the submissions, I wasn’t aware of the proposal until a couple of days ago and I have a huge number of other bowhunters from around Australia and internationally through social media and I assume most of them didn’t know about the opportunity to make a submission either. PS: The comment you showed about the abattoir is one of the ones I replied to I think, and the response from someone else ended up being a clear show of how emotion can’t be reasoned with.
Steven, great video as always. I'm an American hunter. I've harvested numerous deer and feral hogs with both a gun and a bow. I got into bow hunting some 25 years ago. The reason for my conversion to bow hunting was because it's more challenging than using a rifle. I have always been able to put 5 rounds in a 2" circle from 500 yards with a rifle. This has become not a challenge for me to harvest an animal. I now have the ability to put 5 arrows in a 3" circle at 40 yards. It's much more difficult to get the animal to within 40 yards to humanely harvest the animal bow hunting than harvesting the same animal at 200 yards with a hunting rifle. That's my 2 cents worth and thank you for your informative videos. Keep up your excellent work.
The deal is nobody really cares… becouse its killing… no matter what facts we would present there will be people to negate all of them just becouse its hunting… the funny story is that most of those people do eat meat and by this bare fact consider industry mass killings as just…. I have always admire headstrong people who can stand by thier beliefs. I respect true vegans the same way as true hunters and others too but I belive that the problem layes in those between . Pitty
thank you for speaking up. All bowhunters need to do a better job at standing up for what we love. I hope everything goes well for you and they are unsuccessful at banning bowhunting there.
RE-RSPCA, i would not donate any money or take advice from the RSPCA, because they wont do anything to stop Halal Slaughter, which is 100% more cruel than any type of hunting
Agree with not donating to the RSPCA. They are a self interest group that looks at an issue with mono vision. Have a look at their views and impacts on the use of certain dog training tools. One idiot screws up and we all suffer. Most recent was the banning of prong collars in QLD. I wonder if the ABA made a submission on the hunting ban in SA. I stand to be corrected but with halal slaughter I think they are stunned first.
Yes in halal slaughter (at least in chickens since that is the industry I work in) they are stunned with an electrical current before being slaughtered. If not slaughtered and only stunned they will recover from the stun in about 90 seconds.
Does anybody think that RSPCA keep all animals in their premises until they finish the life cycle natural way? Do not be naive or blind stupid follower of their propaganda.
Thanks for your review on the misconceptions regarding bow hunting, your video is one of, if not the best well thought out informative video on this subject I have ever seen. Firstly I will say I’m not a bow hunter this not because I object to bow hunting, rather it’s because I have physical disabilities that will not allow me to engage in hunting. If I was physically able to I definitely would hunt. I am only able to engage in target archery, even then I struggle to walk the ABA or FITA/AA courses but I continue to be as active as my health will allow. Lastly, I totally agree with everything you had to say, you made your case extremely eloquently, really well done.
Hunting with bows has not been legal in the UK for many years, but let me regale you with a tale about the RSPCA... I get a call from a farmer who had a problem with foxes on his farm not because they were taking livestock but because there were a large number of them and they were all starving and in ill health. We culled the foxes, and on one cull at 4am we came across an RSPCA van unloading cages with nice healthy foxes and releasing them into the countryside. Speaking with the fella it turned out that they were nursing foxes that had been hit by cars in towns back to health and releasing them back into their 'natural environment' where they starved because they had grown up in urban environments and never hunted anything more mobile than the contents of a bin bag. So while the RSPCA were well meaning, they were freaking idiots causing great pain and suffering in the name of kindness and compassion. As an aside (unconnected) I got a visitation from the police once because my neighbour did not like that I had air rifles (I used to shoot competitively at a national level in Hunter Field Target). One of her cats had been injured and her vet had told her the cat had been shot with an airgun multiple times, so obviously it must have been me! (It wasn't). She showed the police an x-ray, which showed several shotgun pellets in the cat. So the vet was ignorant and making assumptions, the neighbour was ignorant and making assumptions, and that the police wanted to look at my air rifles based on what they had been shown, just proves the level of ignorance these people have - and the feeling politicians listen to these idiots. Bear in mind that I disagree with running foxes to exhaustion and letting dogs kill them. I would be first in line to stop that barbarism.
All these people are doing, intentionally or not, is to make themselvs feel better. It's not to help or fix a "problem". You can see it everywhere these days. Raising awarness, wearing stupid tags with this or that, changing their social media profile to show support for whatever the latest thing is. People being useless and trying to find a meaning in their life. And to make it worse, a lot of them seem be full of anger and can't wait to dish it out on whoever they set their sights on, in their narcissistic righteous crusades.
Great video. They’re trying to do the same thing in the US. Harder to do here but they’re still trying. We need to keep the bow hunting community strong
been bow hunting since 1978 it's a sport and a means of filling my freezer for the winter. it's keeps the animals in check from crop damage and car collection.
Haha great, and I just got my first bow 2 days ago 😒 as if hunting is crueler than shoving animals into pens for their entire lives until they're slaughtered
Here in the United States Hunting is a conservation tool , used to control populations of species of animals . Its revenue from hunting and fishing licenses is also used to fund parks and state forests , as well as hiking and biking trails . When Politicians want to take away your fishing and hunting rights it is not in the best interest of your country. It is in the best interest of their personal beliefs , and they are using political position to self serve themselves . Not everyone hunts or fishes here in the states . Not everyone camps ,hikes, bikes either. It’s not correct to take those privileges away from law abiding people just so you can claim your own vendetta against people who choose to do so.
Imagine how appalled the Greenies would be if someone told them how horrible a natural death is for animals... Predation... PAINFUL and TERRIFYING. Starvation... painful and pitiful. Dehydration... Also painful and frightening. Disease/infection... Also painful and cruel. Doesn't sound any better than a clean bleedout in thirty seconds to me.
I'm into 3D archery and bow fishing myself for the pest carp in the Murray River, this leaves me wondering if they will try and throw "bow fishing" into the "hunting with a bow" ban as well.
Yep, it'll be 'skewering a fish is less ethical than getting a hook, having it caught up in fish's mouth, getting dragged from that point, yanked out of the sea and then head chopped or crushed'
How anyone can argue fishing with a line and hook over an arrow/spear is absolutely beyond me But fishing is such an "Aussie" thing. It'll never get touched...while bowfishing probably will
I remember when the time Guns were banned after the Tasmanian incident, Chanel 10 reporter came out with a long bow and started saying how dangerous bows are because they are silent and needed banning as well. The Archery association told him to shove it .
@tucker2074 I have to agree with that. Our society is declining before our eyes. I heard on radio yesterday the government wanting to stop live export. Huge knock on effects including the people overseas who consume.our sheep but have no refrigeration. Maybe Australia will contribute to removing good nutrition from their diet
Beautifully spoken mate, 100% agree, the arguments are made from ignorance and media coverage of idiots shooting wildlife with field points. I have submitted an email to the south Australian government stating my opposition to this bill and I hope my fellow well educated archers and bow hunters do the same. I’m in WA, but if we let this go unopposed then it will spread. Thanks for all you do
This is crazy and hard to wrap my mind around. Uneducated people trying to make life changing decisions for others. I shot a doe last weekend with my bow, she was dead in less than 10 seconds after I shot her. Absolutely the most humane way that deer was ever going to die.
Fishing will be next. Control of the population and the ability to take away your ability to provide for yourself and your family, seems to be to predominant in some political policy these days.
Great video mate. Been bowhunting all of my life and am sick of uninformed organisations and politicians looking for populist support based on hysteria not fact trying to tell us how we should live. It would be fair to say that those responsible for the posts etc. have never been in to bush let alone hunting feral animals for meat.
We have a very bad wild hog problem here. I’ll take out as many as I can get. They destroy crops, turkey population, pollute streams and are just bad in general
The vast majority of deer I've shot with an arrow didn't even know they were hit until they fell over. In the states, we have actually opened bow hunting in a lot of cities to deal with the deer population lol.
Soon there will be no fishing, no hunting, no 4WD, no camping, no rock climbing, no motorcycles, no contact sports, just sitting inside watching tv or going outside to a shopping mall. What a dreary future. Support minor political parties that support outside activities, not those parties banning any participation in life activities in our great country. I used to support RSPCA, not anymore.
Edit: I wrote this comment before I watched the last 5 mins of the video. As an American and a bow hunter, I appreciate you making this video. A lot of people have trouble parking in the middle ground anymore. Everyone feels the need to pick a side even if the situation doesn't pertain or have anything to do with them. I'm not privy to how the political environment is in AU at the present time, but I'm sure you're aware of the shape the US is in. Everyone is pinned against each other in very way possible over here for no good reason. (Well, the "elites" know what they're doing but average people are blinded by emotion). as you've said, in my entire life, never once have I met a hunter that wanted an animal to suffer. Even the coyotes that are impacting the deer and turkey population. I shoot 60 arrows every day (weather permitting) from 20-60yrds even though all of my shots will be within 30 yards just because I feel (even allowing for human error) at 30 yards, my bow is forgiving enough to hit what the ranch fairy calls the "vital V"...All year round. people who aren't in the archery community don't understand the process or dedication it takes to be a consistent shot, even with no pressure of an animal standing in front of you. for many people, such as myself, find it very spiritual to kill an animal and blessed with the opportunity to take wild game.
Part of the issue is it seems the labor party in AU is using some recent bad press about people using bows for cheap political wins. This happens especially to niche groups with little political power. As an atheist in America we’ve had to fight a myriad of awful rules forcing Christianity on us for decades. It may seem like nothing to put the Ten Commandments on government property for example but if we don’t stand for that fight the next one will be more difficult. We need to encourage people to stop makjng knee jerk reactions about stuff they know nothing about. The people who don’t know snd have no skin in the game need to speak up and say “there’s no good argument here and just because the other side has no political power doesn’t mean it’s okay to pass this”. Don’t know needs to be vote no until a more compelling argument comes around because next time it might be your niche targeted for a cheap political win. Labor seems to think this is low hanging fruit and they should be challenged on that: don’t you have better shit to do? I guarantee in lieu of other more difficult conversations like cruelty in the commercial meat industry where there’s actual monied interests and where mass suffering of animals occurs these people would shy away from outright banning or regulating. It’s a cheap shot and should be called out as such. It’s also an opportunity to educate people on how they should react to issues they know little about either educate yourself and vote accordingly or vote no.
I Iive in Alaska and completely agree with you. We also have our battles but nothing like what you're going through. The gun hunters and fishermen should take note and join with you to stop this. A well known tactic by the animal rights groups is to separate the different user groups and go after one at a time. This is well documented and the gun hunters will be next, followed by the fishermen. Things are so much different here but I would ask the government, who owns the feral animals and if they do they should be responsible for the damage they do. I watch all your videos so keep up the good work.
Hey Steve, Thank you for doing such a great job in your trial and testing for archery equipment and in general conversation. It is utterly disgusting on how these politicians and animal activates treat people in general , wether your a bow Hunter or not and it is true to see that there is no fact and only smoke screens that the masses generally may agree with because. We should all know by now , but it’s not about the animals which they really don’t care for, but another controller factor they want over us. Although bow hunting is still allowed in Victoria,,now they’ve made it illegal to share meat with anyone in Victoria if it’s been hunted. Once we loose our hunting rights. It won’t be too long before we loose fishing either. We all need to stop the insanity and stop loosing our rights to our god given rights. Keep up the great work and good luck on run for Mayor
Here in scandinavia we have had bow hunting banned for a long time, some countries are trialing it now, Finland being one. Sweden is awaiting the result of the finnish trial and study thereof before they will propose what kind of controls are to be in place for allowing bow hunting here. So soon you will have some recently made studies for it! :)
Well said and well presented Steve. I have nothing more to add, as it looks like you covered it all, other than if banned, the nock on effect for target archers will kill the sport. The Deputy Premier said that if she can't ban bow hunting, she'll ban archery. We know that won't happen, but we are then back to the stupid idea of licensing archery equipment. And that will kill our Juniors competitively, as they won't be able to own their own equipment. No more international athletes coming out from South Australia. No more next generation Olympic gold medals. We'll have to settle for the one Simon won, and just leave it at that. As you know, I am not a bow hunter, but I respect the ways of the hunter and believe it is the most ethical way of sourcing one's meat. Unfortunately, these people are just running on emotion, and refuse to do the scientific peer reviewed research into the dispatching of animals and their welfare, along with feral animal control. I said more in my last submission to parliament, so I'll leave it at that 😉
Good video, mate, keep the fight, bowhunting is illegal in UK where I live, it was done some research in Denmark I think and it was concluded that it is as effective as rifle hunting, hope bowhunters in your state will unite.
wow . here in America we are going through a gun ban and ammo ban in California every day it's a different gun added to the list. I do archery also just target shoot for now . working on my bow skills
California has different gun laws . than the whole country. it's getting hard to even go to the gun range. do to the ammo ban . so SPEAK UP BOW HUNTERS AND TARGET SHOOTERS.!!!!! BECAUSE THEY WILL BE PUTTING IN THE SAME GROUP AND BAN ALL ARCHERY SPORTS 🏹
They forget. Guns do not kill. The gun is just the tool. Take away the tool. Those inclined will choose a different tool. The US mental health care system needs to held responsible for the biggest body count.
Well said Steven, this subject should not even be up for debate, all hunters I know are very focused on the animals and will only go for a quick humane kill
Good evening Stephen just like to say we have had those issues here in the United States before with the animal rights people getting involved in something they don't have no clue of why hunting with a bow gun slingshot whatever you want to hunt with as long as it's within legal parameters of your government's hunting rules should not be a problem, what people that are against hunting don't see is the overpopulation of animals and the unavailability of food to feed that population and then watching them starve to death which is way more painful than getting shot with a bow the disease they can spread amongst each other not to mention vehicle to animal accidents increase what the people that are against hunting should know is that the first conservationist of animals and hunting are the hunters at least that's what I know here in the US, if you have a lot of customers and your bow shop and they're not standing up for that sport they must be scared of your government that's no way for people to live in a society there has to be common ground between hunters and anti hunters for the good of the herd and all other creatures involved, hunting keeps the balance of health in the animal world so with that said start a petition at your Bow shop and tell your Hunter friends to get some fuzz on their kiwis and sign that petition if you get one started.don't give up and support your treasured sport,
American subscriber here! Love your videos and reviews on bows! I 100% agree with everything you said about bow hunting however I would disagree with some things about guns. I’ve been into archery for two decades and I love it. I like it more than guns. But as someone who has experience in both, I’m also licensed/trained in firearms, I will say a gun is ALOT more efficient than a bow when it comes to hunting. Humane kills are a lot easier to obtain with a gun due to guns have a lot more precision with added distance. Even though I believe guns are more efficient I still prefer to hunt with a bow due to my passion for archery. When it comes to “how” it kills the animals it’s the same principle for both. Just like arrows you can go to different sizes in caliber and different grain weight to achieve better penetration or blunt force depending on what you want. Archery is appealing to most simply because it’s more primal and it’s quieter and like you said those types of people who like archery prefer to be closer to nature. Also archery in my opinion is a lot more fun to target shoot. Quieter and cheaper than buying ammo because you can reuse arrows. This is just my POV as an American who has experience in both. Your opinion is 100% valid and I appreciate you making the video. PS, I’m a Hoyt fan and have a ventum pro 30, would love to see you do a review on one!
I would agree - but you need to know about guns. One of my old staff said he can hit a golf ball at 500meters with his. But when dad and grandfather had a gun. I was hopeless - Again it probably depends on the experience of the shooter. But I still question helicopter hunting. Its a waste. I think people should be able to harvest food.
@@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale yep that’s understandable. On the flip side there’s many people out there who are great with guns and terrible with bows. Big fan of the channel and really enjoy your long detailed reviews. Thanks for the response!
As a critical care nurse and a 30+ year bowhunter, I had many patients with GI bleeding from alcohol abuse and other causes and not one of them ever complained of pain. I am of the belief that hemorrhaging to death does not cause pain.
What is odd is I see a lot of deer and especially Elk soak up a magnum rifle round but drop from a good broad head. I wonder how many of these people it meat from animals the have just been bled out?
Entire situation could have been avoided...keep your cat in your house. In addition I've hunted for years, both rifle and bow. Of all the animals taken (dozens) my longest retrievals by far were on rifle kills. Sometimes it's kilometers. All my bow kills, the animal has gone less than 50 yards.
Thank You for the input. Im afraid that nowadays society is so disconnected with reality thay they even hardly imagine where does the hamburgers come from… There will always be people that consider the bare fact of killing animals inhuman and cruel and thats ok. But there are many others who are not driven by thier beliefs but by asumptions of whats right or wrong and even more likely whats trendy, popular or politically correct… world is full of hipokrycy… In my country you cannot own a gun or crossbow but you can have 80lbs bow, medival longsword or black powder gun…. Where’s the sense in that? Some will say thats the ease of use but trust mi its easier to swing a medival sword and hurt someone multiple times than actually hit him with crossbow same amount of times. In my personal opinion most of cases like bowhunt ban come from lack of knowledge… I know many people who belive hunting in general to be cruel but if you ask them how animals die in nature they cant tel… An oh boy! They die 95% horrific eaten alive , limbs broken, starve or freeze to death these are the facts… This will never be a dispute of facts rather beliefs and superstition… Stars in the Sky by Steve Reniela. Watch it on netflix… it touches the same issue
Well said Steve 100% as bow hunter myself I practice every day so when I do get to hunt I dispatch the animals quickly so they don't suffer and stress the meat so cheers buddy thanks for the post well done 🏹🏹🏹
If things get too bad there Steven just come to America. We need you over here lol. Bowhunting is a huge part of my life. I feel somewhat out of pocket to speak on politics in another country, but bow hunting is one of the most pure,humane, and stealthy ways to kill an animal in my opinion.
Well said. Its going on with all walks of life. WOK brigade, hunting all types. Where we can and cant go. We are going to loose so much, people to scared to make a decision because of who we may offend. People on social media all of a sudden experts on every level every subject. Lets start being a little selfish and believe in ourselves. Well done Steve.
Steven, great video as always, The Australian government has taken a lot of rights from the Australian people over the years. (Commonwealth Australian Constitution Act 1901). means the Government can take whatever they (like from our Constitution Act. As long as the Queen of England approves) The government has taken gings/slingshots off the people.? But it is legal for target archery .? Photos in public have to ask the people in the shot to do so ? Police can now pull you over and search your vehicle.? no rights to travel the list goes on when the government fines a reason to take our freedom away. ?
I used to be an avid bow hunter , I've taken almost all feral game in Australia, since covid hit its changed, I'm not looking to hunt any more but would like to join a recurve club barebow
Not related to current video. I would be interested in your thoughts about what to do with a 70 pound (or similar) pull bow when archer can no longer to safely pull it back anymore. Can anything ore be done once the limb bolts are loosened to their maximum?
Particularly in the US, it is always about taking things to the extreme. So we have archers, including famous people shooting deer at 80 yards. There always was a wounding issue, and the "science" that has been done on it was so depressing, that we were on most of the boards banned form bringing it up. Compound archery by the top shooters is pretty impressively accurate. And everyone looks great if they are coached by John Dudley. But I have been to plenty of shoots, including large events with world class participants, not just club shoots, where from the sign in, where shooters where shooting the chronos with impressive "accuracy"; to missing the short shots, because they don't practice them; and missing the bales or whole animals, because they makes yardage mistakes. The Lancaster barebow shoots, on the two occasions I watched the finals, had top shooters I respect shoot 7s, from 20 yds, with 2K bows, indoors, under perfect conditions, known distances, level ground, featherweight draw weights. A 7 is basically missing the vital organs. It might be an instant kill, but you would be lucky. On this channel, Stephen had a comment on some video, where he pointed out that most archers, even good archers pluck their releases. This means a variety of things. They aren't consistent, they don't have a surprise release, they aren't down to one thought at full draw. Release aids, can solve this problem, if you know what you are doing with them. But getting a solution to this problem for fingers, and heavy bows is pretty difficult.
Steve, as an ex pat South Aussie bowhunter one day looking to return to SA, where do I have my say, did not even know that this was happening back home..
Never seen or heard of any post or I would have said something. What's more is all the aerial culling has created a massive problem in that the wild dogs and the fox`s now have an endless supply of free food so their numbers have and will just keep getting bigger, the other thing is the aerial shooting is also illegal as in the fire arms act it clearly says no shooting from a moving vehicle and I would assume that south Australia is similar to Victoria with that law.
No animal will pass away piecfully in the wild. Do they realy think the animal will have it's family and friends around it's bed when it gets old. The reality is it will be old and struggling to eat. When it gets real old and sick it will get ripped to shreds by foxes while it's still alive. Most animals in the wild die a horrible death naturally in the wild.. As a land owner with lots of goats, deer, rabbits and foxes and a ethical bow hunter. Not one animal has suffered. All animals are close shots. Many hrs of practice at target's well beyond the distance I shoot at live animals. All animals are quickly dispatched with double lung shots. We are talking seconds. All usable meet is processed and consumed on site. We Haven't purchased meat for a long time. A rifle is actually difficult to use in our situation for pest management. As other farm animals and adjoining property's make it difficult and at times somwhat dangerous. Not to mention less effective as you typically only get one shot and the animals are frightened away from the sound. The noise of a rifle can upset farm animals and disturb people.
No (bow)hunting in Japan. So I only talk as target archer. All my arrows have my name on it anyway. Precision shouldn’t be an issue with proper training and equipment. As for bow hunting, I would not do it for fun or entertainment. But that’s me. Heck, i don’t like to see it on YT or FB in the various forums. On the other side if a skilled archer want to do hunting I would suggest to introduce a kind of license for the purpose to document actual skill. Like a drivers or pilot license. Set minimum draw weight and ensure use of hunting arrows. Ethical hunting should not be an issue. Better as poison. And I keep aiming on my 5 or 10-ring target paper.
Watching people go pigging with rifles when I was younger, was genuinely one of the most brutal things I'd ever seen. A lot of the people I knew would aim for the stomach or literally up the bum on purpose. Because of the idea that a gun just works, some people aim for whatever mass they can and just can and just take pot shots Every bow hunter I've come across is fixated on that quick and painless double lungs + heart shot EVEN if it's just because they're afraid of the animal (say a pig) running back at the hunter Now I've done Jiu Jitsu for nearly 6 years... and that's relevant because I've been put to sleep A LOT with "blood chokes" or techniques similar to a sleeper hold. Where the blood and sometimes air is cut off suddenly from the brain. Much like when you faint OR if you were shot by an arrow through the lungs and heart....and the reason that's significant is because I know for a fact that while there may be about 2 seconds of fear... it's actually VERY peaceful and more important, sudden
As a 4&5 generation sth Australian SA is living up to the nanny state. I'm a primary producer and prefer my bow , to my firearms. If I use the gun in the Hill s the wowsers call the cops. I use my bow for vermin like foxes , pigeons, carp deer , DO Your duty national parks , Dept of Ag deal with the vermin and I will give up my bows. And your perfectly right on poisons now that not humanely felt with. Vermin costs million s in damages. But the environmental issue of poisons in the environment is huge . My teenage kids can be putting the washing on the line one minute the next grab the bow and get that vermin. With a firearm oh I have to get the gun out of the safe then the ammo safe and just maybe the vermin is still around, it's usually taken the lamb or chicken or just seen us an legged it , but it will be back to do damages. The bow can be kept handy no safes or delays when it matters. No do not ban bow hunting it is a primal RIGHT since ancient times.
Hey buddy, great conversation! I agree with everything you said. But I would like to offer a bit of advice tho. I would be careful with the debate with gun hunting vs bow hunting because you can create a situation where the non hunters and liberal quacks get all kinds of new administration from hearing advocates from each side bring up the bad things about the other side. Now I'm in America so idk Australia but here we are all hunters. We're all on the same side. Maybe it's not the case over there? Most hunters here do both. The NRA is by far the biggest advocate for bow hunting there is here. Is the NRA in Australia? But, that's all. Like I said great conversation, I hope things work out for you guys! Let us Americans know if there's anything we can do to help!
Ban everything, just add more taxes and increase welfare. Guaranteed basic income for everyone no more outdoor activities stay inside and play video games and don't forget to vote. Don't be afraid big brother is hear to help . Big brother knows what is good for you.
I was kind of off grid for most of last year in terms of news and some how just found out about this today. This is so disappointing but so typical of out of touch city people making rules for things they do not understand.
I have bowhunted NSW high country for many years. As a tax payer what a waste of money national parks do in the way of so-called chopper shooting feral pests. I have seen so many deer shot inhumanly by these pricks! Government should let responsible ethical bow hunters control the feral pests in national parks. unfortunately idiots can buy a compound bow and ruin it for every one. Great channel mate..
what are they going to ban fishing next because thats a form of hunting and lots of mums and dads take their kids fishing and let that fish die on the jetty (ALL FOR A PHOTO POST) then thrown it in the bin !! I think you should have the right to feed you and your family. Our family cat was poisoned dont know if it ate a poisoned animal but had to be put down cause our cat was in agony from internal bleeding. I done some work at a pig slaughter yard you could hear the pigs coming before you could hear the truck they were stressed as well as I and people want to ban bow hunting go to murray bridge and watch the the trucks roll in then see if hitting an animal with arrow then bleeding out not knowing what just happened . STOP LOOKING AT THIS FROM A HUMAN PERSPECTIVE THEY ARE NOT HUMAN !! new zealand uses 1080 poison to control feral animals you cant control what eats it. In parts you cant even hear a bird . We cant bow hunt for food though national parks can cull and waste 100"s of feral dear and waste it all . sorry about the gut spillage Steve but they have sold all our common wealth and we dont have public land to hunt here in south oz and now it its our rights didnt even know about this .
Hi, in my club in Metz, east of France there are lots of woods and farms with animals causing serious degats (fields, gardens, young trees...) the problem is that most of rifle hunters coming to archery are in a hurry to pass them basis hunting exam (after 6 month of practice ?) without taking the time to be an excellent archer and i think to be an excellent instinctive archer is most difficult than to be a good target archer, that means 2-3 years of intense practice... perhaps it's a reason why excellent target archers hate hunters and take them for bloody fools...
Archers here practice for a year and might hunt once a year. But you certainly want people to be good archers before they go out. But most archers shoot very close. Its about stalking close. My staff have been Australian champions went hunting they got within 30 meters - but did not have the right shot so no arrows shot.
Don't know how it is in SA but in nsw the pig and rabbit populations have exploded due to all the rain. How bout horse racing, that's cruelty to animals but it earns billions. Seen a dog get 1080 baited, long painful death.
I have been hunting with both bow and firearms for fifty and sixty years respectively. Hunting irrespective of the type of tool used always has to be done as humanely as possible. Trying to say one type is more humane than the other is just opening up a can of worms and providing ammunition for your detractors and the anti-brigade. I hunt only to remove feral and invasive pests, rabbits, foxes, cats, pigs, dogs (and goats before they became a commercial option for landholders). The argument should be based around the protection and preservation of native species, particularly with Australia’s very poor record in this regard. Four or five foxes in a days bowhunting versus 30 plus foxes in a night of spotlighting, both can be effective in their own way. If we are to arrest the appalling loss of native animals then we must make the most of all available options and this includes hunting. I think that far too few people really understand the numbers of introduced pests and the damage they are doing. We can no longer afford to waste time having arguments about which method is more or less painful or wait until some safe, magically humane biological solution is produced. Hunting, bounties, trapping, aerial shooting and baiting are successful and readily available methods and we should be promoting and using them more.
I can't really call myself a bowhunter, but I did hunt a little, mostly unsuccessfully. I grew up on a farm and have only taken a rabbit through the heart with a broadhead. Needless to say it died instantly. My Dad and brother both hunted with rifles but I didn't like guns. The laws are very different now, but I personally have not heard any genuine negative accounts in regards to animal welfare. But personal experience about 30 years ago my pet cocky was shot with a gun in his cage just outside of the family farm house. The shot was taken from the road, no idea who did it, he suffered terribly for a week before he died. I don't know of reckless acts from bowhunters, not saying that I don't approve of hunting with guns but bowhunting has a better record when it comes to reckless acts. Thanks Steven for the video. I would express my opinion if I knew where to do so. Anyway just my 2 cents worth.
Be interesting to see the Scandinavian studies mentioned below find when they are completed. I have a reasonable faith that the Scandinavian countries studies will be pretty objective. Steven and others regularly state that "MOST times or almost ALWAYS, an animal doesn't even know it has been shot" this has always smacked of anecdotal rather than tested and verifiable fact. I find it hard to believe considering the number of times I have accidentally cut, stabbed/jabbed myself. It bloody well hurt so I can partially imagine what a blade pushed through my entire body might feel like. The above claims seem less than honest to me. I am not against hunting and harvesting animals for meat, skins and other animal products. Personally I think it is overall more humane than industrial farming. I am also supportive of pest control with firearms rather than poison. Sport hunting? I understand the impulse and the primal urge to pursue this activity. I've done it but it not for me anymore. At this stage I would not sign either a petition to support or to ban sport hunting.
I wish I could like this twice. How about the inner city folks that are in favor of this bill/law watch "earthlings" and then watch bow hunting down under. Witch feels betters to you?
Mate, we have guns. Just regulation on autos and assault weapons. & privately owned mortars, hand grenades, field artillery & canisters of flechettes and shit. 😉
FYI: In Germany only specially trained and licensed hunters are allowed to hunt. And they are only allowed to hunt with a rifle and only for population control measures. Never are you allowed to hunt here for you own benefit and never with a bow. Bowhunting is strictly forbidden in Germany, because most people aren't good archers and would end up only hurt/injure/torture animals instead of killing them with a clean shot to the heart.
The same also applies to Switzerland. But, let's face it, it's better this way for this small overpopulated country. Year after year, our rifle hunters injure a lot of game without killing it. If they were shooting around with bows and arrows, it would be even worse. But Australia? Poor world, where are you going?
We need Ed Ashby and his data put forward to these guys trying to ban it. His data and experiences single handedly legalised bow hunting in parts of Southern Africa where it was illegal for many years. He proved that an arrow when properly set up is far more deadly than a bullet from a hunting rifle. Accuracy comes down to skill and practice and has absolutely nothing to do with bow or gun. A properly set up bow and arrow combination is just as accurate as a gun.. it just has a shorter range. Bow hunters know their accurate and affective range just as well as a gunman. These people have the wrong data and are counting on that to win this fight and we don't have anybody powerful enough to make the noise they are making about it.. bow hunters or hunters in general just always look like the bad guys compared to the rspca... the general public just don't think hunting is important enough and they believe there's more danger and or suffering involved than necessary.. I've done my fair share of getting people to understand why it's such a valuable thing and nothing wrong with it and safety is highet than even fishing accidents.. still come across plenty of new people who just think I'm some sort of animal.
8:01 Was thinking this very thing from the moment the video started. Or stock/land mismanagement. How about we effectively deterring individuals from the deliberately cruel and inhumane wounding/killing of animals, and better educating individuals about the matter. (And the legal/financial consequences related to it.) Instead of yet another blanket law which affects those who have not committed a crime under the existing laws, forcing them to give up an activity they are passionate about in order to remain compliant with the law. This means the people who legally bow hunt under current laws in an responsible and ethical manner, are penalised by these laws changes in far greater numbers and to a far greater extent than the people responsible for the law changes in the first place. And the percentage of the population which makes up the people responsible for deliberate and unethical acts of cruelty will not go away, this percentage of people already knew the legal and social consequences of such actions. And the people who are simply poorly educated and/or irresponsible? They will still be poorly educated and/or irresponsible... The reduction in wildlife injury and inhumane deaths will reduce by a small degree obviously, mainly due to the increased scrutiny the ownership/possession of a bow will now attract, but the benefits are dwarfed by the consequences. Not at the least, another legal precedent where the government has gained the capacity to interfere with peoples lives without reasonable grounds and/or infringe upon a wide range of matters that individuals and a communities alike, enjoy and benefit from. What about fishing? What about mouse/rat traps, or those sticky pad things? What about keeping birds in cages? If we keep heading down this slippery slope, it's only a matter of time before the, inhumane animal welfare issue at the front of the line is trapping. The bleeding hearts of CBDs, universities and grocery stores, will transfer thier personal opinions to the newest 'horrific and barbaric' issues being raised, which is "Still somehow, incomprehensivly, permitted to remain a lawful... etc etc" It will get to the point where Trapping an animal (ANY animal) is cruel and inhumane as the animal 'suffers the torture and psychological harm induced by the fearful experience of no consensual entrapment in a strange and unusual confinement....' We're eventually going to introduce a danger more commonly experienced over Murica way. Where suitable hunting grounds become more scarce, the number of people frequenting them will likely increase, with dumb luck being all it takes to become the backstop for someone elses poor decision. Until products like 1080 are off the shelves and removed from the environment, this ban only upps the ante... If a person wants to catch something to eat, they will catch something to eat... What next? Stalking them and shooting them (pigs, wild horses etc) with a paint marker for sport and/or to deter them from frequenting the location is deemed illegal? Because it frightens the animal, which causes it to stress, effectively psychologically harming the animal, which is legally interpreted as being no different to injuring the animal as a result of abusing it.... lol. Don't worry, it will be a non-issue before long. In time, owning a weapon like a bow and/or showing an interest/capacity for activities like hunting and killing/processing your own animal based foods will have you denied service/acess at practically all commercial banks and lending organisations.... Just ask the Armourers, whose turn it is it the moment.
You guys live in an authoritarian nightmare over in Australia. In my opinion has nothing to do with cruelty. It has everything to do with controlling your food. They're trying to control your food. If you're not able to hunt for your own food, then you got to rely on them. They're your keeper. You only eat when and what they tell you to eat
Here in the UK bow hunting has been banned since 1965. No big deal. I live on a mixed farm and we employ a professional rifleman to control fox if needed.I held a Class 1 licence myself but I allowed it to lapse and have no intention of renewing it
Keep the fighting We need people who can stand up and talk for the truth ❤ from canada 🇨🇦 Bow hunter for life Ps: all the deer i have shoot whit bow and arrow have die very quickly and some haven’t move after the hit and fall dead very fast Seem that this political agenda is untrue and biased
The RSPCA would salivate when someone does the wrong thing with a gun or a bow. To them it’s an opportunity to use emotion to push their agenda. I wrote a couple of extremely long comments on the FB post. People basing their beliefs and arguments on emotion can rarely be reasoned with.
As for the submissions, I wasn’t aware of the proposal until a couple of days ago and I have a huge number of other bowhunters from around Australia and internationally through social media and I assume most of them didn’t know about the opportunity to make a submission either.
PS: The comment you showed about the abattoir is one of the ones I replied to I think, and the response from someone else ended up being a clear show of how emotion can’t be reasoned with.
Steven, great video as always. I'm an American hunter. I've harvested numerous deer and feral hogs with both a gun and a bow. I got into bow hunting some 25 years ago. The reason for my conversion to bow hunting was because it's more challenging than using a rifle.
I have always been able to put 5 rounds in a 2" circle from 500 yards with a rifle. This has become not a challenge for me to harvest an animal.
I now have the ability to put 5 arrows in a 3" circle at 40 yards. It's much more difficult to get the animal to within 40 yards to humanely harvest the animal bow hunting than harvesting the same animal at 200 yards with a hunting rifle.
That's my 2 cents worth and thank you for your informative videos. Keep up your excellent work.
The deal is nobody really cares… becouse its killing… no matter what facts we would present there will be people to negate all of them just becouse its hunting… the funny story is that most of those people do eat meat and by this bare fact consider industry mass killings as just…. I have always admire headstrong people who can stand by thier beliefs. I respect true vegans the same way as true hunters and others too but I belive that the problem layes in those between . Pitty
thank you for speaking up. All bowhunters need to do a better job at standing up for what we love. I hope everything goes well for you and they are unsuccessful at banning bowhunting there.
RE-RSPCA, i would not donate any money or take advice from the RSPCA, because they wont do anything to stop Halal Slaughter, which is 100% more cruel than any type of hunting
Agree with not donating to the RSPCA. They are a self interest group that looks at an issue with mono vision. Have a look at their views and impacts on the use of certain dog training tools. One idiot screws up and we all suffer. Most recent was the banning of prong collars in QLD.
I wonder if the ABA made a submission on the hunting ban in SA.
I stand to be corrected but with halal slaughter I think they are stunned first.
Yes in halal slaughter (at least in chickens since that is the industry I work in) they are stunned with an electrical current before being slaughtered. If not slaughtered and only stunned they will recover from the stun in about 90 seconds.
please research abit what is a benefit of slaughter compare to stungun, drowning etc which you called humane.
@@walkerdrench Halal Slaughter, which is 100% more cruel than any other type of killing.
Does anybody think that RSPCA keep all animals in their premises until they finish the life cycle natural way? Do not be naive or blind stupid follower of their propaganda.
Thanks for your review on the misconceptions regarding bow hunting, your video is one of, if not the best well thought out informative video on this subject I have ever seen.
Firstly I will say I’m not a bow hunter this not because I object to bow hunting, rather it’s because I have physical disabilities that will not allow me to engage in hunting.
If I was physically able to I definitely would hunt.
I am only able to engage in target archery, even then I struggle to walk the ABA or FITA/AA courses but I continue to be as active as my health will allow.
Lastly, I totally agree with everything you had to say, you made your case extremely eloquently, really well done.
Hunting with bows has not been legal in the UK for many years, but let me regale you with a tale about the RSPCA...
I get a call from a farmer who had a problem with foxes on his farm not because they were taking livestock but because there were a large number of them and they were all starving and in ill health.
We culled the foxes, and on one cull at 4am we came across an RSPCA van unloading cages with nice healthy foxes and releasing them into the countryside.
Speaking with the fella it turned out that they were nursing foxes that had been hit by cars in towns back to health and releasing them back into their 'natural environment' where they starved because they had grown up in urban environments and never hunted anything more mobile than the contents of a bin bag. So while the RSPCA were well meaning, they were freaking idiots causing great pain and suffering in the name of kindness and compassion.
As an aside (unconnected) I got a visitation from the police once because my neighbour did not like that I had air rifles (I used to shoot competitively at a national level in Hunter Field Target). One of her cats had been injured and her vet had told her the cat had been shot with an airgun multiple times, so obviously it must have been me! (It wasn't). She showed the police an x-ray, which showed several shotgun pellets in the cat. So the vet was ignorant and making assumptions, the neighbour was ignorant and making assumptions, and that the police wanted to look at my air rifles based on what they had been shown, just proves the level of ignorance these people have - and the feeling politicians listen to these idiots.
Bear in mind that I disagree with running foxes to exhaustion and letting dogs kill them. I would be first in line to stop that barbarism.
All these people are doing, intentionally or not, is to make themselvs feel better. It's not to help or fix a "problem". You can see it everywhere these days. Raising awarness, wearing stupid tags with this or that, changing their social media profile to show support for whatever the latest thing is. People being useless and trying to find a meaning in their life. And to make it worse, a lot of them seem be full of anger and can't wait to dish it out on whoever they set their sights on, in their narcissistic righteous crusades.
Great video. They’re trying to do the same thing in the US. Harder to do here but they’re still trying. We need to keep the bow hunting community strong
Never gonna happen in the states.
I’m so tired of liberals trying to outlaw everything they see as “bad”
Banning bowhunting won't stop cat next door, possums, kangaroos getting shot cause those people aren't bowhunters
been bow hunting since 1978 it's a sport and a means of filling my freezer for the winter. it's keeps the animals in check from crop damage and car collection.
Thanks 4 the links. Comments inbound from my direction.
I don't live in Australia ( I'm Canadian eh?) But we all need 2 stand together.
Thanks mate.
Haha great, and I just got my first bow 2 days ago 😒 as if hunting is crueler than shoving animals into pens for their entire lives until they're slaughtered
Great video Stephen, thanks for bringing the issue to our attention. Good luck 👍
Here in the United States Hunting is a conservation tool , used to control populations of species of animals . Its revenue from hunting and fishing licenses is also used to fund parks and state forests , as well as hiking and biking trails . When Politicians want to take away your fishing and hunting rights it is not in the best interest of your country. It is in the best interest of their personal beliefs , and they are using political position to self serve themselves . Not everyone hunts or fishes here in the states . Not everyone camps ,hikes, bikes either. It’s not correct to take those privileges away from law abiding people just so you can claim your own vendetta against people who choose to do so.
Imagine how appalled the Greenies would be if someone told them how horrible a natural death is for animals...
Predation... PAINFUL and TERRIFYING.
Starvation... painful and pitiful.
Dehydration... Also painful and frightening.
Disease/infection... Also painful and cruel.
Doesn't sound any better than a clean bleedout in thirty seconds to me.
I'm into 3D archery and bow fishing myself for the pest carp in the Murray River, this leaves me wondering if they will try and throw "bow fishing" into the "hunting with a bow" ban as well.
Yep, it'll be 'skewering a fish is less ethical than getting a hook, having it caught up in fish's mouth, getting dragged from that point, yanked out of the sea and then head chopped or crushed'
How anyone can argue fishing with a line and hook over an arrow/spear is absolutely beyond me
But fishing is such an "Aussie" thing. It'll never get touched...while bowfishing probably will
I remember when the time Guns were banned after the Tasmanian incident, Chanel 10 reporter came out with a long bow and started saying how dangerous bows are because they are silent and needed banning as well. The Archery association told him to shove it .
The archery associations need to be more vocal and grow some balls
@@jw-vx8im Australians as a whole need to be more vocal and grow some balls
@tucker2074 I have to agree with that. Our society is declining before our eyes. I heard on radio yesterday the government wanting to stop live export. Huge knock on effects including the people overseas who consume.our sheep but have no refrigeration. Maybe Australia will contribute to removing good nutrition from their diet
@@jw-vx8im the last 2yrs has shown all critical thinking has gone, we are in a very dangerous place
Beautifully spoken mate, 100% agree, the arguments are made from ignorance and media coverage of idiots shooting wildlife with field points. I have submitted an email to the south Australian government stating my opposition to this bill and I hope my fellow well educated archers and bow hunters do the same. I’m in WA, but if we let this go unopposed then it will spread.
Thanks for all you do
Be very careful here. Slippery slope. First they ban bowhunting then they coming for hunting. Rifle and bow hunters need to stand together here.
This is crazy and hard to wrap my mind around. Uneducated people trying to make life changing decisions for others. I shot a doe last weekend with my bow, she was dead in less than 10 seconds after I shot her. Absolutely the most humane way that deer was ever going to die.
Fishing will be next. Control of the population and the ability to take away your ability to provide for yourself and your family, seems to be to predominant in some political policy these days.
Great video mate. Been bowhunting all of my life and am sick of uninformed organisations and politicians looking for populist support based on hysteria not fact trying to tell us how we should live. It would be fair to say that those responsible for the posts etc. have never been in to bush let alone hunting feral animals for meat.
We have a very bad wild hog problem here. I’ll take out as many as I can get. They destroy crops, turkey population, pollute streams and are just bad in general
The vast majority of deer I've shot with an arrow didn't even know they were hit until they fell over. In the states, we have actually opened bow hunting in a lot of cities to deal with the deer population lol.
Soon there will be no fishing, no hunting, no 4WD, no camping, no rock climbing, no motorcycles, no contact sports, just sitting inside watching tv or going outside to a shopping mall. What a dreary future. Support minor political parties that support outside activities, not those parties banning any participation in life activities in our great country. I used to support RSPCA, not anymore.
Edit: I wrote this comment before I watched the last 5 mins of the video.
As an American and a bow hunter, I appreciate you making this video. A lot of people have trouble parking in the middle ground anymore. Everyone feels the need to pick a side even if the situation doesn't pertain or have anything to do with them. I'm not privy to how the political environment is in AU at the present time, but I'm sure you're aware of the shape the US is in. Everyone is pinned against each other in very way possible over here for no good reason. (Well, the "elites" know what they're doing but average people are blinded by emotion). as you've said, in my entire life, never once have I met a hunter that wanted an animal to suffer. Even the coyotes that are impacting the deer and turkey population.
I shoot 60 arrows every day (weather permitting) from 20-60yrds even though all of my shots will be within 30 yards just because I feel (even allowing for human error) at 30 yards, my bow is forgiving enough to hit what the ranch fairy calls the "vital V"...All year round. people who aren't in the archery community don't understand the process or dedication it takes to be a consistent shot, even with no pressure of an animal standing in front of you.
for many people, such as myself, find it very spiritual to kill an animal and blessed with the opportunity to take wild game.
Part of the issue is it seems the labor party in AU is using some recent bad press about people using bows for cheap political wins. This happens especially to niche groups with little political power. As an atheist in America we’ve had to fight a myriad of awful rules forcing Christianity on us for decades. It may seem like nothing to put the Ten Commandments on government property for example but if we don’t stand for that fight the next one will be more difficult.
We need to encourage people to stop makjng knee jerk reactions about stuff they know nothing about. The people who don’t know snd have no skin in the game need to speak up and say “there’s no good argument here and just because the other side has no political power doesn’t mean it’s okay to pass this”.
Don’t know needs to be vote no until a more compelling argument comes around because next time it might be your niche targeted for a cheap political win. Labor seems to think this is low hanging fruit and they should be challenged on that: don’t you have better shit to do?
I guarantee in lieu of other more difficult conversations like cruelty in the commercial meat industry where there’s actual monied interests and where mass suffering of animals occurs these people would shy away from outright banning or regulating.
It’s a cheap shot and should be called out as such. It’s also an opportunity to educate people on how they should react to issues they know little about either educate yourself and vote accordingly or vote no.
@@OpiatesAndTits How is Christianity forced upon you?
@@OpiatesAndTits Mass "suffering" of animals whose only purpose is to die and be eaten? That seems a strange way to think about them.
I Iive in Alaska and completely agree with you. We also have our battles but nothing like what you're going through. The gun hunters and fishermen should take note and join with you to stop this. A well known tactic by the animal rights groups is to separate the different user groups and go after one at a time. This is well documented and the gun hunters will be next, followed by the fishermen. Things are so much different here but I would ask the government, who owns the feral animals and if they do they should be responsible for the damage they do. I watch all your videos so keep up the good work.
Hey Steve, Thank you for doing such a great job in your trial and testing for archery equipment and in general conversation.
It is utterly disgusting on how these politicians and animal activates treat people in general , wether your a bow Hunter or not and it is true to see that there is no fact and only smoke screens that the masses generally may agree with because.
We should all know by now , but it’s not about the animals which they really don’t care for, but another controller factor they want over us. Although bow hunting is still allowed in Victoria,,now they’ve made it illegal to share meat with anyone in Victoria if it’s been hunted.
Once we loose our hunting rights. It won’t be too long before we loose fishing either.
We all need to stop the insanity and stop loosing our rights to our god given rights.
Keep up the great work and good luck on run for Mayor
Here in scandinavia we have had bow hunting banned for a long time, some countries are trialing it now, Finland being one. Sweden is awaiting the result of the finnish trial and study thereof before they will propose what kind of controls are to be in place for allowing bow hunting here. So soon you will have some recently made studies for it! :)
Australia these days is full of woke tossers.
Finland have had bowhunting for ever and they have very good hunter education there.
Just more control on natural food. All about control.
Bow hunting was never banned in Finland, I have no clue what you are talking about?
It is not about the animals. It is about control. Also, start with the low hanging fruit.
That's tough bro, if someone tried that in the USA they'd lose their job real quick
Unless they're in Cali, NY, Portland etc
Well said and well presented Steve. I have nothing more to add, as it looks like you covered it all, other than if banned, the nock on effect for target archers will kill the sport. The Deputy Premier said that if she can't ban bow hunting, she'll ban archery. We know that won't happen, but we are then back to the stupid idea of licensing archery equipment. And that will kill our Juniors competitively, as they won't be able to own their own equipment. No more international athletes coming out from South Australia. No more next generation Olympic gold medals. We'll have to settle for the one Simon won, and just leave it at that. As you know, I am not a bow hunter, but I respect the ways of the hunter and believe it is the most ethical way of sourcing one's meat. Unfortunately, these people are just running on emotion, and refuse to do the scientific peer reviewed research into the dispatching of animals and their welfare, along with feral animal control. I said more in my last submission to parliament, so I'll leave it at that 😉
Good video, mate, keep the fight, bowhunting is illegal in UK where I live, it was done some research in Denmark I think and it was concluded that it is as effective as rifle hunting, hope bowhunters in your state will unite.
wow . here in America we are going through a gun ban and ammo ban in California every day it's a different gun added to the list. I do archery also just target shoot for now . working on my bow skills
California has different gun laws . than the whole country. it's getting hard to even go to the gun range. do to the ammo ban . so SPEAK UP BOW HUNTERS AND TARGET SHOOTERS.!!!!! BECAUSE THEY WILL BE PUTTING IN THE SAME GROUP AND BAN ALL ARCHERY SPORTS 🏹
They forget.
Guns do not kill.
The gun is just the tool.
Take away the tool. Those inclined will choose a different tool.
The US mental health care system needs to held responsible for the biggest body count.
Well said Steven, this subject should not even be up for debate, all hunters I know are very focused on the animals and will only go for a quick humane kill
Good evening Stephen just like to say we have had those issues here in the United States before with the animal rights people getting involved in something they don't have no clue of why hunting with a bow gun slingshot whatever you want to hunt with as long as it's within legal parameters of your government's hunting rules should not be a problem, what people that are against hunting don't see is the overpopulation of animals and the unavailability of food to feed that population and then watching them starve to death which is way more painful than getting shot with a bow the disease they can spread amongst each other not to mention vehicle to animal accidents increase what the people that are against hunting should know is that the first conservationist of animals and hunting are the hunters at least that's what I know here in the US, if you have a lot of customers and your bow shop and they're not standing up for that sport they must be scared of your government that's no way for people to live in a society there has to be common ground between hunters and anti hunters for the good of the herd and all other creatures involved, hunting keeps the balance of health in the animal world so with that said start a petition at your Bow shop and tell your Hunter friends to get some fuzz on their kiwis and sign that petition if you get one started.don't give up and support your treasured sport,
American subscriber here! Love your videos and reviews on bows! I 100% agree with everything you said about bow hunting however I would disagree with some things about guns.
I’ve been into archery for two decades and I love it. I like it more than guns. But as someone who has experience in both, I’m also licensed/trained in firearms, I will say a gun is ALOT more efficient than a bow when it comes to hunting. Humane kills are a lot easier to obtain with a gun due to guns have a lot more precision with added distance. Even though I believe guns are more efficient I still prefer to hunt with a bow due to my passion for archery.
When it comes to “how” it kills the animals it’s the same principle for both. Just like arrows you can go to different sizes in caliber and different grain weight to achieve better penetration or blunt force depending on what you want.
Archery is appealing to most simply because it’s more primal and it’s quieter and like you said those types of people who like archery prefer to be closer to nature. Also archery in my opinion is a lot more fun to target shoot. Quieter and cheaper than buying ammo because you can reuse arrows.
This is just my POV as an American who has experience in both.
Your opinion is 100% valid and I appreciate you making the video.
PS, I’m a Hoyt fan and have a ventum pro 30, would love to see you do a review on one!
I'd say you like the field craft... Stalking up close without being seen/heard.
With a firearm you can sit back at 600 yards
I would agree - but you need to know about guns. One of my old staff said he can hit a golf ball at 500meters with his. But when dad and grandfather had a gun. I was hopeless - Again it probably depends on the experience of the shooter. But I still question helicopter hunting. Its a waste. I think people should be able to harvest food.
@@ArcherySuppliesLonsdale yep that’s understandable. On the flip side there’s many people out there who are great with guns and terrible with bows.
Big fan of the channel and really enjoy your long detailed reviews.
Thanks for the response!
SA's Bow hunters need to start making a lot of noise, or we're going to loose this forever.
As a critical care nurse and a 30+ year bowhunter, I had many patients with GI bleeding from alcohol abuse and other causes and not one of them ever complained of pain. I am of the belief that hemorrhaging to death does not cause pain.
What is odd is I see a lot of deer and especially Elk soak up a magnum rifle round but drop from a good broad head. I wonder how many of these people it meat from animals the have just been bled out?
Entire situation could have been avoided...keep your cat in your house.
In addition I've hunted for years, both rifle and bow. Of all the animals taken (dozens) my longest retrievals by far were on rifle kills. Sometimes it's kilometers. All my bow kills, the animal has gone less than 50 yards.
While the cat should have been kept in the house. The bloke who shot it with a bow was fully in the wrong.
Thank You for the input. Im afraid that nowadays society is so disconnected with reality thay they even hardly imagine where does the hamburgers come from… There will always be people that consider the bare fact of killing animals inhuman and cruel and thats ok. But there are many others who are not driven by thier beliefs but by asumptions of whats right or wrong and even more likely whats trendy, popular or politically correct… world is full of hipokrycy… In my country you cannot own a gun or crossbow but you can have 80lbs bow, medival longsword or black powder gun…. Where’s the sense in that? Some will say thats the ease of use but trust mi its easier to swing a medival sword and hurt someone multiple times than actually hit him with crossbow same amount of times.
In my personal opinion most of cases like bowhunt ban come from lack of knowledge… I know many people who belive hunting in general to be cruel but if you ask them how animals die in nature they cant tel… An oh boy! They die 95% horrific eaten alive , limbs broken, starve or freeze to death these are the facts… This will never be a dispute of facts rather beliefs and superstition…
Stars in the Sky by Steve Reniela. Watch it on netflix… it touches the same issue
Well said Steve 100% as bow hunter myself I practice every day so when I do get to hunt I dispatch the animals quickly so they don't suffer and stress the meat so cheers buddy thanks for the post well done 🏹🏹🏹
If things get too bad there Steven just come to America. We need you over here lol. Bowhunting is a huge part of my life. I feel somewhat out of pocket to speak on politics in another country, but bow hunting is one of the most pure,humane, and stealthy ways to kill an animal in my opinion.
Well spoken mate.
Wow !! That's unbelievable ! I will certainly put my two cents in
You think I think controlling our lives seems to be a thing you would not have thought about a few years ago.
Stephen for Mayer gets my vote!
Well said. Its going on with all walks of life. WOK brigade, hunting all types. Where we can and cant go. We are going to loose so much, people to scared to make a decision because of who we may offend. People on social media all of a sudden experts on every level every subject. Lets start being a little selfish and believe in ourselves.
Well done Steve.
Thank you brother
Great video. Good on ya for making the point well.
Steven, great video as always, The Australian government has taken a lot of rights from the Australian people over the years.
(Commonwealth Australian Constitution Act 1901). means the Government can take whatever they (like from our Constitution Act. As long as the Queen of England approves)
The government has taken gings/slingshots off the people.?
But it is legal for target archery .?
Photos in public have to ask the people in the shot to do so ?
Police can now pull you over and search your vehicle.? no rights to travel
the list goes on
when the government fines a reason to take our freedom away. ?
They'll have to ban cars and trucks too then. More animals are maimed on our roads by vehicles than anything else.
That is in the pipeline, switch to EV's then price them out of reach.
Will you review a new Hoyt xd and Axia limbs soon?
I used to be an avid bow hunter , I've taken almost all feral game in Australia, since covid hit its changed, I'm not looking to hunt any more but would like to join a recurve club barebow
Not related to current video. I would be interested in your thoughts about what to do with a 70 pound (or similar) pull bow when archer can no longer to safely pull it back anymore. Can anything ore be done once the limb bolts are loosened to their maximum?
Just get lighter limbs that will fit your riser.
Well said Steve
I’m the type of person ignores politics because I like being sane, what has been the outcome?
Particularly in the US, it is always about taking things to the extreme. So we have archers, including famous people shooting deer at 80 yards. There always was a wounding issue, and the "science" that has been done on it was so depressing, that we were on most of the boards banned form bringing it up.
Compound archery by the top shooters is pretty impressively accurate. And everyone looks great if they are coached by John Dudley. But I have been to plenty of shoots, including large events with world class participants, not just club shoots, where from the sign in, where shooters where shooting the chronos with impressive "accuracy"; to missing the short shots, because they don't practice them; and missing the bales or whole animals, because they makes yardage mistakes.
The Lancaster barebow shoots, on the two occasions I watched the finals, had top shooters I respect shoot 7s, from 20 yds, with 2K bows, indoors, under perfect conditions, known distances, level ground, featherweight draw weights. A 7 is basically missing the vital organs. It might be an instant kill, but you would be lucky.
On this channel, Stephen had a comment on some video, where he pointed out that most archers, even good archers pluck their releases. This means a variety of things. They aren't consistent, they don't have a surprise release, they aren't down to one thought at full draw. Release aids, can solve this problem, if you know what you are doing with them. But getting a solution to this problem for fingers, and heavy bows is pretty difficult.
Steve, as an ex pat South Aussie bowhunter one day looking to return to SA, where do I have my say, did not even know that this was happening back home..
Thanks for the video Steve, couldn't agree more.
Never seen or heard of any post or I would have said something. What's more is all the aerial culling has created a massive problem in that the wild dogs and the fox`s now have an endless supply of free food so their numbers have and will just keep getting bigger, the other thing is the aerial shooting is also illegal as in the fire arms act it clearly says no shooting from a moving vehicle and I would assume that south Australia is similar to Victoria with that law.
Great video Steve. Thank you
No animal will pass away piecfully in the wild. Do they realy think the animal will have it's family and friends around it's bed when it gets old. The reality is it will be old and struggling to eat. When it gets real old and sick it will get ripped to shreds by foxes while it's still alive. Most animals in the wild die a horrible death naturally in the wild.. As a land owner with lots of goats, deer, rabbits and foxes and a ethical bow hunter. Not one animal has suffered. All animals are close shots. Many hrs of practice at target's well beyond the distance I shoot at live animals. All animals are quickly dispatched with double lung shots. We are talking seconds. All usable meet is processed and consumed on site. We Haven't purchased meat for a long time.
A rifle is actually difficult to use in our situation for pest management. As other farm animals and adjoining property's make it difficult and at times somwhat dangerous. Not to mention less effective as you typically only get one shot and the animals are frightened away from the sound.
The noise of a rifle can upset farm animals and disturb people.
No (bow)hunting in Japan. So I only talk as target archer. All my arrows have my name on it anyway. Precision shouldn’t be an issue with proper training and equipment. As for bow hunting, I would not do it for fun or entertainment. But that’s me. Heck, i don’t like to see it on YT or FB in the various forums. On the other side if a skilled archer want to do hunting I would suggest to introduce a kind of license for the purpose to document actual skill. Like a drivers or pilot license. Set minimum draw weight and ensure use of hunting arrows. Ethical hunting should not be an issue. Better as poison. And I keep aiming on my 5 or 10-ring target paper.
I’m in Texas and can remember the guy shooting the cat lol
Awesome take!
Start defunding the rspca it worked in western Australia
Watching people go pigging with rifles when I was younger, was genuinely one of the most brutal things I'd ever seen. A lot of the people I knew would aim for the stomach or literally up the bum on purpose. Because of the idea that a gun just works, some people aim for whatever mass they can and just can and just take pot shots
Every bow hunter I've come across is fixated on that quick and painless double lungs + heart shot EVEN if it's just because they're afraid of the animal (say a pig) running back at the hunter
Now I've done Jiu Jitsu for nearly 6 years... and that's relevant because I've been put to sleep A LOT with "blood chokes" or techniques similar to a sleeper hold. Where the blood and sometimes air is cut off suddenly from the brain. Much like when you faint OR if you were shot by an arrow through the lungs and heart....and the reason that's significant is because I know for a fact that while there may be about 2 seconds of fear... it's actually VERY peaceful and more important, sudden
Well said.
As a 4&5 generation sth Australian SA is living up to the nanny state. I'm a primary producer and prefer my bow , to my firearms. If I use the gun in the Hill s the wowsers call the cops. I use my bow for vermin like foxes , pigeons, carp deer , DO Your duty national parks , Dept of Ag deal with the vermin and I will give up my bows. And your perfectly right on poisons now that not humanely felt with. Vermin costs million s in damages. But the environmental issue of poisons in the environment is huge . My teenage kids can be putting the washing on the line one minute the next grab the bow and get that vermin. With a firearm oh I have to get the gun out of the safe then the ammo safe and just maybe the vermin is still around, it's usually taken the lamb or chicken or just seen us an legged it , but it will be back to do damages. The bow can be kept handy no safes or delays when it matters. No do not ban bow hunting it is a primal RIGHT since ancient times.
Well done Steven perfectly said mate
Hey buddy, great conversation! I agree with everything you said. But I would like to offer a bit of advice tho. I would be careful with the debate with gun hunting vs bow hunting because you can create a situation where the non hunters and liberal quacks get all kinds of new administration from hearing advocates from each side bring up the bad things about the other side. Now I'm in America so idk Australia but here we are all hunters. We're all on the same side. Maybe it's not the case over there? Most hunters here do both. The NRA is by far the biggest advocate for bow hunting there is here. Is the NRA in Australia? But, that's all. Like I said great conversation, I hope things work out for you guys! Let us Americans know if there's anything we can do to help!
Ban everything, just add more taxes and increase welfare. Guaranteed basic income for everyone no more outdoor activities stay inside and play video games and don't forget to vote. Don't be afraid big brother is hear to help . Big brother knows what is good for you.
I was kind of off grid for most of last year in terms of news and some how just found out about this today.
This is so disappointing but so typical of out of touch city people making rules for things they do not understand.
I have bowhunted NSW high country for many years. As a tax payer what a waste of money national parks do in the way of so-called chopper shooting feral pests. I have seen so many deer shot inhumanly by these pricks! Government should let responsible ethical bow hunters control the feral pests in national parks. unfortunately idiots can buy a compound bow and ruin it for every one. Great channel mate..
what are they going to ban fishing next because thats a form of hunting and lots of mums and dads take their kids fishing and let that fish die on the jetty (ALL FOR A PHOTO POST) then thrown it in the bin !! I think you should have the right to feed you and your family. Our family cat was poisoned dont know if it ate a poisoned animal but had to be put down cause our cat was in agony from internal bleeding. I done some work at a pig slaughter yard you could hear the pigs coming before you could hear the truck they were stressed as well as I and people want to ban bow hunting go to murray bridge and watch the the trucks roll in then see if hitting an animal with arrow then bleeding out not knowing what just happened . STOP LOOKING AT THIS FROM A HUMAN PERSPECTIVE THEY ARE NOT HUMAN !! new zealand uses 1080 poison to control feral animals you cant control what eats it. In parts you cant even hear a bird . We cant bow hunt for food though national parks can cull and waste 100"s of feral dear and waste it all . sorry about the gut spillage Steve but they have sold all our common wealth and we dont have public land to hunt here in south oz and now it its our rights didnt even know about this .
Hi,
in my club in Metz, east of France there are lots of woods and farms with animals causing serious degats (fields, gardens, young trees...)
the problem is that most of rifle hunters coming to archery are in a hurry to pass them basis hunting exam (after 6 month of practice ?) without taking the time to be an excellent archer
and i think to be an excellent instinctive archer is most difficult than to be a good target archer, that means 2-3 years of intense practice...
perhaps it's a reason why excellent target archers hate hunters and take them for bloody fools...
Archers here practice for a year and might hunt once a year. But you certainly want people to be good archers before they go out. But most archers shoot very close. Its about stalking close. My staff have been Australian champions went hunting they got within 30 meters - but did not have the right shot so no arrows shot.
it's 1080 which should be banned.
the most inhumane way to kill an animal for sure.
Don't know how it is in SA but in nsw the pig and rabbit populations have exploded due to all the rain. How bout horse racing, that's cruelty to animals but it earns billions. Seen a dog get 1080 baited, long painful death.
I have been hunting with both bow and firearms for fifty and sixty years respectively. Hunting irrespective of the type of tool used always has to be done as humanely as possible. Trying to say one type is more humane than the other is just opening up a can of worms and providing ammunition for your detractors and the anti-brigade. I hunt only to remove feral and invasive pests, rabbits, foxes, cats, pigs, dogs (and goats before they became a commercial option for landholders). The argument should be based around the protection and preservation of native species, particularly with Australia’s very poor record in this regard. Four or five foxes in a days bowhunting versus 30 plus foxes in a night of spotlighting, both can be effective in their own way. If we are to arrest the appalling loss of native animals then we must make the most of all available options and this includes hunting. I think that far too few people really understand the numbers of introduced pests and the damage they are doing. We can no longer afford to waste time having arguments about which method is more or less painful or wait until some safe, magically humane biological solution is produced. Hunting, bounties, trapping, aerial shooting and baiting are successful and readily available methods and we should be promoting and using them more.
I can't really call myself a bowhunter, but I did hunt a little, mostly unsuccessfully. I grew up on a farm and have only taken a rabbit through the heart with a broadhead. Needless to say it died instantly. My Dad and brother both hunted with rifles but I didn't like guns. The laws are very different now, but I personally have not heard any genuine negative accounts in regards to animal welfare. But personal experience about 30 years ago my pet cocky was shot with a gun in his cage just outside of the family farm house. The shot was taken from the road, no idea who did it, he suffered terribly for a week before he died. I don't know of reckless acts from bowhunters, not saying that I don't approve of hunting with guns but bowhunting has a better record when it comes to reckless acts. Thanks Steven for the video. I would express my opinion if I knew where to do so. Anyway just my 2 cents worth.
‘Animals don’t get hurt when they are shot with an arrow’
…. Can’t make this shit up.
Be interesting to see the Scandinavian studies mentioned below find when they are completed. I have a reasonable faith that the Scandinavian countries studies will be pretty objective.
Steven and others regularly state that "MOST times or almost ALWAYS, an animal doesn't even know it has been shot" this has always smacked of anecdotal rather than tested and verifiable fact.
I find it hard to believe considering the number of times I have accidentally cut, stabbed/jabbed myself. It bloody well hurt so I can partially imagine what a blade pushed through my entire body might feel like. The above claims seem less than honest to me.
I am not against hunting and harvesting animals for meat, skins and other animal products. Personally I think it is overall more humane than industrial farming. I am also supportive of pest control with firearms rather than poison.
Sport hunting? I understand the impulse and the primal urge to pursue this activity. I've done it but it not for me anymore. At this stage I would not sign either a petition to support or to ban sport hunting.
I wish I could like this twice.
How about the inner city folks that are in favor of this bill/law watch "earthlings" and then watch bow hunting down under. Witch feels betters to you?
You Aussies need to take Australia back. Why do you think the Govt took your guns away?
Mate, we have guns. Just regulation on autos and assault weapons. & privately owned mortars, hand grenades, field artillery & canisters of flechettes and shit. 😉
And we have it, Australia that is,.. nobody owns a place like this but it does need looking after. Come and see mate. ❤
This has more to do with you not being able to provide for yourself. Nothing to do with hunting. You will own nothing and be happy is what they want.
not in Tassie either and its utter bullshit. I'll leave it at that.....
(50 submissions...... WTF.....)
Glad to be in America.
FYI: In Germany only specially trained and licensed hunters are allowed to hunt. And they are only allowed to hunt with a rifle and only for population control measures.
Never are you allowed to hunt here for you own benefit and never with a bow. Bowhunting is strictly forbidden in Germany, because most people aren't good archers and would end up only hurt/injure/torture animals instead of killing them with a clean shot to the heart.
The same also applies to Switzerland. But, let's face it, it's better this way for this small overpopulated country. Year after year, our rifle hunters injure a lot of game without killing it. If they were shooting around with bows and arrows, it would be even worse. But Australia? Poor world, where are you going?
We need Ed Ashby and his data put forward to these guys trying to ban it. His data and experiences single handedly legalised bow hunting in parts of Southern Africa where it was illegal for many years. He proved that an arrow when properly set up is far more deadly than a bullet from a hunting rifle. Accuracy comes down to skill and practice and has absolutely nothing to do with bow or gun. A properly set up bow and arrow combination is just as accurate as a gun.. it just has a shorter range. Bow hunters know their accurate and affective range just as well as a gunman. These people have the wrong data and are counting on that to win this fight and we don't have anybody powerful enough to make the noise they are making about it.. bow hunters or hunters in general just always look like the bad guys compared to the rspca... the general public just don't think hunting is important enough and they believe there's more danger and or suffering involved than necessary.. I've done my fair share of getting people to understand why it's such a valuable thing and nothing wrong with it and safety is highet than even fishing accidents.. still come across plenty of new people who just think I'm some sort of animal.
Unbelievable
8:01
Was thinking this very thing from the moment the video started.
Or stock/land mismanagement.
How about we effectively deterring individuals from the deliberately cruel and inhumane wounding/killing of animals, and better educating individuals about the matter. (And the legal/financial consequences related to it.)
Instead of yet another blanket law which affects those who have not committed a crime under the existing laws, forcing them to give up an activity they are passionate about in order to remain compliant with the law. This means the people who legally bow hunt under current laws in an responsible and ethical manner, are penalised by these laws changes in far greater numbers and to a far greater extent than the people responsible for the law changes in the first place. And the percentage of the population which makes up the people responsible for deliberate and unethical acts of cruelty will not go away, this percentage of people already knew the legal and social consequences of such actions. And the people who are simply poorly educated and/or irresponsible? They will still be poorly educated and/or irresponsible...
The reduction in wildlife injury and inhumane deaths will reduce by a small degree obviously, mainly due to the increased scrutiny the ownership/possession of a bow will now attract, but the benefits are dwarfed by the consequences.
Not at the least, another legal precedent where the government has gained the capacity to interfere with peoples lives without reasonable grounds and/or infringe upon a wide range of matters that individuals and a communities alike, enjoy and benefit from.
What about fishing?
What about mouse/rat traps, or those sticky pad things?
What about keeping birds in cages?
If we keep heading down this slippery slope, it's only a matter of time before the, inhumane animal welfare issue at the front of the line is trapping. The bleeding hearts of CBDs, universities and grocery stores, will transfer thier personal opinions to the newest 'horrific and barbaric' issues being raised, which is "Still somehow, incomprehensivly, permitted to remain a lawful... etc etc" It will get to the point where Trapping an animal (ANY animal) is cruel and inhumane as the animal 'suffers the torture and psychological harm induced by the fearful experience of no consensual entrapment in a strange and unusual confinement....'
We're eventually going to introduce a danger more commonly experienced over Murica way. Where suitable hunting grounds become more scarce, the number of people frequenting them will likely increase, with dumb luck being all it takes to become the backstop for someone elses poor decision.
Until products like 1080 are off the shelves and removed from the environment, this ban only upps the ante... If a person wants to catch something to eat, they will catch something to eat...
What next? Stalking them and shooting them (pigs, wild horses etc) with a paint marker for sport and/or to deter them from frequenting the location is deemed illegal? Because it frightens the animal, which causes it to stress, effectively psychologically harming the animal, which is legally interpreted as being no different to injuring the animal as a result of abusing it....
lol.
Don't worry, it will be a non-issue before long. In time, owning a weapon like a bow and/or showing an interest/capacity for activities like hunting and killing/processing your own animal based foods will have you denied service/acess at practically all commercial banks and lending organisations.... Just ask the Armourers, whose turn it is it the moment.
Thank God I live in the mountains of New Mexico USA
Do these people think animals just die in there sleep in there natural environments?
I eat meat. I respect every animal i harvest for my family - fully respect your opinion mate
I've just subscribed.
You guys live in an authoritarian nightmare over in Australia. In my opinion has nothing to do with cruelty. It has everything to do with controlling your food. They're trying to control your food. If you're not able to hunt for your own food, then you got to rely on them. They're your keeper. You only eat when and what they tell you to eat
Next video is Steven’s many ways to break the neck of a cat 😅
Good luck bowhunting brothers and sisters. Always vote for freedom. Vote out tyrants.
Here in the UK bow hunting has been banned since 1965. No big deal. I live on a mixed farm and we employ a professional rifleman to control fox if needed.I held a Class 1 licence myself but I allowed it to lapse and have no intention of renewing it
How posh. I wonder how expensive a “professional rifleman” costs?
I flipping hate poms, your indifference is the bloody reason that this mess exists. Stand up for your fellow hunter or you will be next.
Keep the fighting
We need people who can stand up and talk for the truth
❤ from canada 🇨🇦
Bow hunter for life
Ps: all the deer i have shoot whit bow and arrow have die very quickly and some haven’t move after the hit and fall dead very fast
Seem that this political agenda is untrue and biased
If you can just drop a one liner - saying that.
work in a sulter house then let's talk about what Humane.