I didn’t know what I was missing
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- MacBook Air's screen is limited to 60Hz refresh rate while MacBook Pro is 120Hz, and I never knew what I was missing until I tried 144Hz.
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You couldn't reach 144Hz with the Thunderbolt cable because the USB-C port on the monitor isn't a Thunderbolt port, it's probably a "simple" USB-C port with a lower bandwidth (guessing 10 or 20 Gbit/s). On the other hand, with the DP cable 1.4 you can get around 32 Gbit/s of bandwidth, so it's no problem reaching higher refresh rates (since it's a 2K monitor you could go higher, that depends on the panel itself obviously, on a 4K resolution you'd be limited to 120Hz)
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nice. thanks for that
so so true , fixed the issue on my m2 with
USB Type C Cable to DP 1.4 8K60Hz M/M
but on my acer 34 ultrawide with full functional usb-c, it does variable 48-180hz just via simple usb-c cable, even 2k 240hz on another 27 inch oled, both work like DP cable but without any adapter.
@@user-pc6ul4tv9s M1 or m2?
@@user-pc6ul4tv9s M1 or M2 ?
I largely prefer a higher DPI display than a higher refresh rate for coding. The text clarity is much more important to me than refresh rate, especially when coding is 95% static content, the other is when you scroll documentation. I wouldn't trade my three Dell U2723QE for lower quality panels but with higher refresh rate.
totally agree
if the apple 5k display were to be 120hz though I would take that in a heartbeat. Two of them running on scaled 1440p mode for ultra crisp text and smooth scrolling? awesome
One benefit of the high refresh rate for text is that when scrolling you can still follow a line with your eyes, it doesn't blur until the scrolling stops like on a 60hz screen. But it's a less important trait than high DPI like you said though, I agree.
use bitmap fonts, they're pixel perfect unless your font engine is complete dogass
why not both
Because having both requires insane amount of bandwidth and buses and I/O to accommodate this bandwidth are just rolling out slowly. @@martinsmith2948
What I don't understand is how you always create the exact videos I need exactly when I need them. I find it equal parts unsettling and extremely handy...
Nice! Heavier GPU usage while plugged in is no big deal and it reverts to screen of laptop frequencies when unplugged. Perfect scenario for the best experience. I’ve been searching monitors for Mac for days so thanks for this!!
have you tried using the ipad pro as a second monitor since it’s also 120hz like the macbook pro and shares the same resolution
For the past 3 years (from the launch of m1 up until the launch of m3 max) I used my m1 MacBook Air at my desktop setup with a 144hz monitor. This is mainly because since I switched to Mac with the m1 MacBook Air launch my pc was only used for gaming, but having the 144hz gaming monitor, I had the exact experience you did (yeah you can see the pixels, but it’s so smooth). Imma be honest tho i can’t tell the difference between 120 and 144
I use a dual monitor setup with my Mac book pro. Both are 32 Inch 4K 60hz monitors, and I find screen real estate much more important for development than refresh rate.
What do you do with so many laptops after testing them?
The display firmware needs to support it, some manufacturers don’t have good support. Sometimes at high refresh rate some monitors would lose HiDPI.
Alex awesome video as always. Just ordered my m2 MBA Best Buy sale
Could u please tell What’s ur configuration of Air M2.
I always use type-c to DP cables. Thanks for useful video 😂
Great video thanks)
I like your videos, you're for real, thank you!
I appreciate that!
I notice lower text dpi on non Apple displays. That bugs me way more than having to switch to a gaming desktop. An ultrawide is fine for productivey. High refresh gaming is a 27" over 200fps.
watching this on my 6 years old windows laptop on 144hz that was 1800$ ....
which machine?
@@AZisk acer predator helios 500 2018 model
I sold my windows laptop for a MacBook air
@@AZiskon a note regarding monitor angle, heard that on one of andrew huberman vids - looking up is actually better for focus and alertness then looking down. Can confirm from own practice and it feels better having the monitors higher, tilted down towards my face.
@@Danicnns u think it was worth it? I have a 240hz 2k screen laptop I got for $500 more than my sisters m1 air 13" with 60hz 6k but also 256gb ssd and 8gb ram. (Mine is 1tb / 32gb)
use better display for mac to use HiDPI
What are the laptop specs? Thanks
Hi Alex, I would recommend you to give a try to one of these beasts: LG UltraWide 40WP95XP-W, 39.7" or Dell UltraSharp U4021QW, 39.7". It works as HiRes display on MBP and as LoRes on MBA. There are not so many reviews on TH-cam by using they with MacBooks. But I can share with you my experience, if you would like. And your LG 4k would be look like very nice in pivot mode next to one of these 40''. PS: they are both 75Hz capable.
Can you compare between MacBook Pro m2 pro and MacBook Pro m3 pro chip performance by using software development works like web, mobile application and machine learning tasks
Plug in direct, ity may be the Thunderbolt dock's limitations scaling back to 120
I have a 49” curve. It only runs 6-hz from the thunderbolt and it will run 120hz from display. I haven’t tried hdmi but its a thing with the display
Any suggestions for a 4k usb c monitor with height adjustment that's 24-27 inch in size?
Hello, is it the MacBook Air with the m3 chip ?
Full variable 48 to 175 Hz from my MacBook over an usb-c-to-DisplayPort-cable to my Evnia 34”.
I know what u mean.. have been using an external ultra-wide monitors for 2 years now and it feels really good honestly.. cant go back to the macbook monitor now
I don't know exactly what it is, but even the lowest MacBook Air screen just looks so much better than any of the gaming monitors I have ever plugged them into. Better DPI? More even backlighting? Better colour calibration? Maybe all of the above.
Just bought an Acer 34 inch 180hz 1000R too, wonderful for coding on mac
Very nice!
Had the same problem with my Asus Zephyrus, needed a USB C to Display port for enough bandwidth to reach max HZ.
I am running a Mac mini M2 Pro with an 24" AOC 165 Hz 1440p screen Thunderbolt to Display port cable with variable refresh rate. Awesome!!
most of monitor’s best/full spec could be achieved only from Display Port (usually latest DP 1.4), some also includes latest HDMI (2.1) with bigger bandwidth to support both high resolution and high refresh rate, and type c connector usually “only” supports display alt mode ontop of data transfer (connecting keyboard and mouse if it’s kvm supported) or charging (if it supports power delivery too), so it doesnt support very large bandwidth to unleash its full spec, and its definitely not thunderbolt also so yeah, not enough bandwidth. it might not even be usb type c gen 3.2 or gen 3.1
I didn't know this is an issue at start. I've been using my MBA M1 with Gigabyte M27Q monitor at 170hz. With its built in KVM switch, I can swap between my PC and MBA with a touch of a button and sharing the peripherals.
How do you connect your PC and MBP to the Display?
I have the same setup tho, but with hdmi I don’t get anything over 60hz since the MBP doesn’t has the 2.0.
@@sintrix3017 I am using the MBA M1. PC to monitor using DP, MBA to Monitor via usbC.
I connect my MBA13 M1 to Samsung Odyssey G9 Neo through Cal Digit TS4 dock. And pretty often I face with annoying flickering 🥲
However I'm not even running it on it's nominal refresh rate which is 240hz only 120
I first thought that the Thunderbolt 4 from the Apple can only support for 60Hz refresh rate like they said on their website (i know the Thunderbolt 4 can support a lot more than that) this is nice to know that it can push more than 60Hz, but the question is can it support multiple high refresh rate monitor on the MacBook Pro? Because I'm planning to get one for my computer science degree in college and I've found a very great deal on the M2 Max, so I know that should I just get the 60Hz monitor or a high refresh rate one (I'm planning to use 3 of them btw)
Can you test the ASUS PG27AQDP later this year as it's a 1000 nits OLED at 480Hz
Which is best for a programmer: 144Hz or 5K?
The reason the thunderbolt 4 cable does not work is on the m2 MacBook airs it only comes equipped with thunderbolt 3. And it appears that monitor only outputs usbc not thunderbolt.
I use the Sony inzone m9 for gaming and coding and design and it is wonderful.
I have a question about this monitor: is the text blurry? I have an issue where I can see individual pixels when looking at code/text, and if the monitor doesn't display text well, it puts a lot of eye strain. Unfortunately, that limits me to the LG 5k and Apple Studio Display, and would like to see if there are alternatives.
It’s definitely more pixelated than the MacBook screen, so I needed to sit further away. If I wanted the fidelity to match my screen, I’d go for the LG 5k
I using 2 4k144Hz monitors with my MacBook Pro 14 on basic m2 pro. Both via type-c USB4 (XV282K - 65watt and M28U - 25watt). MacBook closed and always charged
Keep them coming ❤
Alex, could you please share the link of the new monitor?
Sure, here: amzn.to/3wxFZcY
im using a predator X34gs ultra wide 3440x1400 display with 180hz, using a thunderbolt4 connector. i can get 144hz max on the mba connected to this monitor. you should check the onboard settings of the monitor.
Last week, I set up my MBP with 1440p 240hz. It’s nice and smooth, but the picture quality isn’t anywhere near as good as the laptop screen even with 3rd party programs helping out.
Apple needs to get their act together and release some 120+hz displays.
I’ve been connecting 2019 intel iMac to a 144hz of dell gaming monitor running 144 hz for ages.
I love using external monitor with MacBook when coding and also use it docked mode but deep down I always worry that this could damage or deteriorate my MacBook battery life over time.
I use Aldente to limit the charge.
i mean on a bigger screen with the same pixels, of course you will see the pixels if you try to.
Isn't font smoothing ugly on low DPI macos?
I mean, it doesn't have subpixel font smoothing, does it?
I have 2K 144Hz acer monitor, and via the DP->typeC cable, I made it work at 144Hz with my MBP 2019. Moreover, I bought a split device that allows me to switch between gaming PC and MBP. Works fine
I use 42" lg c2 oled . 4k and 120hz, great for coding, plenty of screen real estate. You can get it working with macs by using a cablematters usbc to 8k hdmi adapter and emailing them to ask for the mac firmware
HI Alex.. Being watching your videos from a long time now, here from Australia. In love with your content, specially the scripts. I'm also in the market for an external monitor for my M2 MacBook Pro. Cheers..!!
Awesome, thank you!
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I use my M1 Air for gaming on a 100Hz 1440p display - I get 100fps out of it with most games. I use the OWC Thunderbolt 4 hub without any issues.
Alex, your puns are LETHAL!
Hi Alex! How sharp does this 34 feels comparing to your 27 4k LG ? Was wondering if i can switch to ultrawide from 27 4k 144hz and still work on a mac
the LG’s are much cleaner and sharper
I have a monitor with 144 Hz but it is a full HD resolution. For 4k at 144Hz I understand that it is more related with the port version and the cable quality. And yes. It is smooth.
If a mere USB-C -to- DisplayPort cable is pretty good, then would a Thunderbolt -to- DP cable be substantially better with combined resolution and refresh rate?
good question. i don’t know whether the usb-c cable is using usb or thunderbolt under the hood to provide the displayport side enough bandwidth.
@@AZisk I have a usb-c to display port cable. It is working fine for m1 air with 1440p 165hz.
For Mac games I recommend Dungeon Keeper, it's hella fun and a classic
i think the main problem here about refresh rate & DPI its on the awful Mac optimization for non propietary brands. If you make some adjustments with programs that tests different resolutions and refresh specs like "Better Display" or so.
I've used my 13" M2 with an OLED C2 42" at 1440p@120hz... It was really nice 😄
My monitor had a thunderbolt connection and it supported 144hz out of the box on my MBA, it also charges it while sending video
Costs more than $400, though.
@@jpdemer5 yeah that's true but worth it imo. The only issue I have with my new monitor is it is really way too bright lmao, and the dark areas are still lit with backlit (since it's not an OLED this is ok but the next one to get is an OLED then). It's really good for HDR supported games. Also RTX auto HDR is coming out to make non-HDR games HDR compatible, although no idea how good it will be. Also mine is 21:9 and 1440p, really good for watching movies in native 21:9 aspect ratio. Some monitors are selling for $700-800. If you consider that monitors usually last at least a decade, this is worth it imo if you are not renting or don't plan to move.
Bro, I can't even afford a mac but i love to watch all your videos ❤
Glad you like them!
The display is why the mbp is a must
You could try the 57 inch Odyssey Neo G95NC (57“) Gaming Monitor with 240 Hz. Would make a good video :)
I connected my M2 MacBook Pro via USB-C to USB-C to my BenQ EX2780Q 2K 144Hz gaming monitor and my MacBook Pro gave me refresh rate settings of 120 Hz, 144 Hz and Variable (40 - 144 Hz) in addition to the standard 60 Hz and all refresh rates worked, including 144 Hz with HDR enabled. Maybe I am being offered more refresh options, because of the overall lower bandwidth requirements for a 2K monitor compared with a 4K monitor. With regards Display Port Vs USB-C it may be how the respective standards are defined, and how the operating system selects what standard it is going to use for the connected monitor / connection type. For example, Display Port 1.4 (HBR3) supports a single 4K monitor up to max refresh rate of 144Hz whereas Thunderbolt 3 is specified as single 4k monitor at 120 Hz max or dual 4K monitor 60 Hz max.
I just keep thinking about a window in the right side and you have to access the menu bar lol
you will never get an issue with resolution / refresh rate combo , and size on UX/IX @ windows :D
i wish i could turn back time and present you with the LCD AOC 240hz (lower res: 2k) 0.5ms response time, 27" monitor for some 200 ish bucks
yeah I won't use anything less than 120hz, the faster the easier on the eyes, less your eyes can detect, less headaches. I'm using a 50" 4k tv that does 4k 120hz on HDMI, just need an upgraded hdmi cable that can handle 4k 120hz. If your going USB-C or thunderbolt, the cable also needs to be able to handle the speeds.
This is something incredible, from such a video even my laptop in which 14 inch screen 60 hz shows on Alex Monitor All 144 hz 😅
I can’t notice refresh rates. Only ppi
I have Gigabyte M28U (144Hz @ 4K) and via USB-C cable (TB4) it also offers only 120Hz with Mac. On Windows I easily get 144Hz. The display is great. Not as big as 32 inch, and not as small as 27 inch. Very sharp with great contrast.
Alex you smashed it out of the park again. 👍 Apple has always humbly excelled in this niche.
Does it REALLY make a difference for someone that is not a pro game player to go from 120 to 144 HZ ???
Also I would like to hear your opinion on whether for coders it is better to prioritize resolution or refresh rate...
I have very little experience with monitors, but I would say that as we spend most of. our time reading text sharpness should be the first priority. That is why I was thinking about the LG 34WK95U which is basically a 4k Ultrawide.... which unfortunately has only a 75Hz refresh rate... I would love to see you trying it to see how the coding experiences sis with that beast..
I also see coming some new awesome Oled ultrawide with high res but I guess Oleds are still best for gamers and movie watchers... a coder screen tends to be stating most of the time and that is vary bad for burning...
It's subjective, but 120 to 144 is barely noticeable. Going to 240 you will see a difference, but you already have most of the benefit at 120. For me, coding, the most noticeable is the fluidity of the mouse cursor at 120, compared to 60. I'm definitely more accurate with the mouse on a 120Hz monitor, and that's a real benefit of 120Hz, that I experience a thousand times a day.
As an aside, it's good to keep in mind that 120Hz is the sweet spot for viewing video content, as it play nicely with video at 24, 30 and 60 fps (and 25fps is almost OK). 144Hz does not provide this benefit (you can't divide it by 30 or 60).
75Hz is subjectively as bad as 60Hz. I would not even consider purchasing a 75Hz monitor. I have done some experiments with a monitor that can do 60 and 75, and I can barely see any difference. And now with 75Hz you get a lot of jitter on 24, 30 and 60fps videos (but if all you watch is 25fps TV, that's OK).
Text resolution is also a subjective issue. I have a 1920x1080 24.5 inch monitor, and I'm relatively close. I can see individual pixels and the characters are slightly blurry because of the lack of resolution, but it does not distract me at all. Now I can understand that some people are put off by this, and obviously it would (mostly) be fixed with a 4K monitor.
But as we know, higher framerates and higher resolutions are taxing for the GPU... and for your wallet. In my case, I have chosen to prioritize framerate, but I can easily see why one would prioritize resolution.
Alex, you should consider 4K 60 FPS uploads man!
anyone knows how to change refresh rate of the built in display ?
Mine 40 inch ultrawide monitor is 160 hertz and MacBook max m3. I’m using 4K 1.8 thunderbolt to USB c cable. The cable is the key
I have 4k thunderbolt cable from apple but i wasn't able to reach more than 120 hz, then I tried with HDMI to HDMI mini cable and was able to get 175hz
@@OybekDaniyarov good one. try this one Silkland USB C to DisplayPort 1.4 Cable 2M Thunderbolt 4/3 to Display Port [8K@60Hz, 4K@144Hz, 2K@240Hz] 5K 32.4 Gbps Type C to DP 1.4 Cable Compatible for MacBook Pro M1 M2 M3, Mac Mini, XPS
@@tacorevenge87 You are legend! Thank you, appreciate your response. 🙏🏻 I will try it out
3:33 you see the pixels because the monitor has a lower ppi than the macbook screen. well to your defense this is only a side note cause you did a video about hz
You want smooth use Zed it supports 124Hz retina displays
Cable didn't work because there isn't enough throughput (Gbit/s) to support charging the laptop plus displaying the high res and high refresh rate. It prioritises the charging and dials down the refresh rate. Had same issue with 4k 120hz monitor. Solution is to have two cables :( One for charging and one for display port.
2024 is a year of new 32-inch 4K OLED panels from Samsung and LG with 240Hz refresh rates. Also, they all going to be extremely color-accurate with dE below 1.
I looking to upgrade my 27n IPS screen to OLED this year.
My M1 pro chip with 16 GPU core can out put QHD 240hz through DP 1.2 which is not that sharp but super smooth. Hope others try it out.
I actually had issues with my eyes when I used my promotion and then went back to my ultra wide. I thought my pc was lagging at first lol
i just got my hand on Zebronics 1440 P monitor that is curved has 165 herts and 1ms response time for my mac mini m2.
if you want perfect Mac stuff on an external. you need exactly 218ppi with at least 60hz.
And that’s the reason why I disabled pro motion on my MBP lol
many programs work unstable if you set the frequency above 60 Hertz on my mac mini m2, for example, the chrome interface twitches and works in 30-40 frames (according to my feelings), but all apple applications work perfectly smoothly
I want to buy a monitor with adaptive synchronization support, I think this will fix the situation, because using 60 hertz in 2024 is a real mockery, even 75 hertz seems smoother to me, and after I tried 120, I can no longer use 60
Rocking 2x JLinks 1440p 165hz monitors here on my MBA. They work at 120hz NO issues at all :)
any issues?
Best purchase I made for productivity and gaming is the Gigabyte M32. It's 4k and 144hz. I can plug my Macbook Air with USB-C and get the monitor running 4k@144hz. My gaming PC is connected through DP, with a click of a button, I can switch between both. It even has a build-in KVM so I could connect mouse and keyboard and it would seamlessly transmit data on the correct machine. The monitor also supplies my MacBook with 18W of power so I can have a single cable clean desk setup!
it’s a pricey monitor, but perhaps worth if it quality is good. what kvm do you use?
Hey Alex! I don't use a KVM as I'm the kind of person that likes to use the macbook keyboard and trackpad and don't have any additional devices that would be shared between my PC and Mac. What I meant to say is that the monitor itself has a built-in KVM@@AZisk
oh nice to know. Thanks! @@alexboulayI guess that explains the price
Interesting info, thanks.
I thought AVP would be the end of monitors 🤔
3:30 - One of my bigger complaints with MacOS. It *does not* play nice with external monitors. lol.
Ahh Blazor with Telerik 😊
Using a 280hz-capable Alienware AW2723DF with my M2 Macbook Air. Over a USB-C dongle to HDMI, the highest refresh rate I can get is 120hz, so not nearly as much as the monitor supports, but still much better than 60hz and well worth it.
Monitor market is so messed up rn, everything is way to expensive. The day that i can get a 120hz 4k oled 27inch monitor under $500 ill be all over it.
120hz 4K oled is super premium stuff!
"Car market is so messed up rn, everything is way too expensive. The day that I can get a Rolls-Royce Phantom under 10k$ I'll be all over it"
@@catto-from-heaven your analogy doesnt work because oled monitors are expensive due to slow technical advancements (compared to tvs and phones), while luxury cars like Rolls Royce will always be pricey due to their brand and craftsmanship.
@@MS-rb5ok Don't call the market messed up then, because the problem is not the market
@@catto-from-heaven stop yapping
you had me at "who wrote this sh*t" :) awesome!
😂
This new? My M1 Mini is running at 3440x1440@165Hz over TB to DisplayPort 1.4
nice!
The problem is that IPS and VA so slow for 144 and upper. Real speed of pixel switch from white to black should be faster then 6.9ms which we need for 144Hz, but IPS/VA can't do it. That's why we see a tail of black window on white background when we drag it left/right. TN has more speed and better for gaming, but not so good view angles and color as IPS/VA.
Oled! ;)
Both new IPS and VA panels can do way faster than 6.9ms refreshes. I think the best panels can do something like 2ms refreshes.
Great video!!! It seems that everyone who experiences higher refresh rates cannot go back to punny 60hz.
thx. i wonder if airs will be moved to 120 soon
Yet people watch movies, videos and TV, and have done so since forever at 24-30 FPS! The reality is that 120Hz is for flexing. If you are a creator or coder; 95% + of the time, you do not need more than 60Hz. Also, your eyes cannot see more than 60FPS, so anything higher is perception, and that is subjective per person.
@@andyH_EnglandActually you do need more than 60Hz to watch videos, and it's because of the various framerates we still currently use. I watch videos sometimes, and the reason I purchased a 120Hz monitor is because I hate the jitter that occurs when you watch a 24 frame per second movie on a 60Hz monitor. This jitter can be perceived by a vast majority of people, it's not at the upper limit of perception. Because 60 is not a multiple of 24, your PC or Mac is going to display a movie frame for 2 or 3 monitor frame, resulting in horrible jitter/jerk during panning (12 times per second, which is easy to see), because the way to fit 24 frames into 60 is to display the first frame twice, the second frame 3 times, and you start again. The solution is to have a monitor with a framerate that is a multiple of 24, so 24, 48, 72, 96 and so on would work. But then you want to watch a 30 fps or 60 fps TV movie on your monitor, and that does not work at all. The solution is to use a 120Hz monitor, because 120 is divisible by both 24, and 30, and also by 60! Watching movies in 24, 30 and 60 fps on a 120Hz monitor is smooth, and you can't achieve this effect with anything less than 120Hz.
So the reason why a creator or anyone would want a 120Hz monitor is not because you flex or you want to pretend that you can see things that are outside of human perception. The reason is that 24 fps video is jerky on a 60Hz monitor, and it's very obvious to most people. As a lot of very high quality content is created in 24 fps (motion pictures), it makes sense that being able to watch it on your PC or Mac is a legitimately desirable feature.
You have to choose picture quality vs refresh rate. I wanna try OLED. But no to curved and ultra wide monitors. They are terrible