If anyone doubts Sam's explanation, call the DNR. I did. The answer from the warden supervisor that sits on the trapping committee is that Sam's explanation is exactly correct. If you can measure it at the widest point, unset, from ANY position, and it exceeds 60"sq, it is illegal for dry set. That said, I think they could resolve confusion by changing the language to 57"sq or something.
Hey Sam, I really appreciate your videos and I just stumbled across my first one of yours today and then I started binge watching and subscribed. You're a great guy and I hope to get into trapping myself here in Iowa. Keep making your videos and don't stop!
Man!! I didn't think there was that few! Its because all of the snow flake liberals. We need more people who know how to handle themselves in the woods. I'm glad to see, though, that I'm not the only one stuck here. Haha.
Andrew Gutmann Sooo true! Tradition, conservation ; these things don't seem to matter to many people today. Its sad. If they just did it once then maybe they'd learn and enjoy it.
Bodygrip traps are sold as 6x6, 7x7 (220's), 8x8, 10x10. Etc. Inside jaw spread. So why does the wi law have to make it difficult and say the widest point of the outside jaws? Someone really needs to change this in the rules and regulations.
I don't have to worry about it because I trap private land in KY, but the reg said the widest part on the outside of the jaw. Is the rivet part of the jaw? in my opinion it isn't.
Great info. I wouldn't want to have any reason for the game warden to have any doubts about my equipment. Why invite trouble? I'm glad Louisiana's laws aren't that strict....
Grant Wilson That is possible, but it doesn't happen way to awful much. Also a #1 coil spring might do you a little better for muskrat, I'm not sure about mink , though. Hope this helps, and good luck.
Hey sam, loving the videos. Dam snowflakes all over southern ontario, blizzard out here lol. So cool to see all these air rifles out in the field getting job done. Also that 3 barrel shotgun is so sick.
People are risking tickets doin this but they would have no problem with measuring at the widest point to squeeze out an extra inch on the score of a buck they kill lmfao
I like your explanation, and erring on the side of caution, but I do not think that was DNR's intent. I'm going to see if I can get a definitive answer.
Here in Utah you can use 330s on land so we don't have that problem. For fisher the biggest you can use is a 160 but 330 cubby set for a bobcat damn it's fine
Tom H not entirely true. You can use a body grip trap up to 5 inches on land. Check the regs, I just confirmed. So you can use a 155 on land and something up to an 8 inch body grip in a building 6 feet or higher off the ground.
Brian trucking Landers cable restraints with releasing locks on land in Missouri, shares under water. You need to attend a cable restraint class in MO to use them.
Sam, In your video on body grip traps . Wisconsin trapping law. Out side to out side OF THE JAWS. You are reading in to it. So if your trap is 7 .25 and 8.25 = 59.81 YOU ARE LEGAL, ( PERIOD ) JUST SAYING. ( LAW 101 )
Sam, Big Pat again, After looking at the Wisconsin trapping law on page 11. It looks like you are mistaken on the trap measurements. At the bottom of the page. The last paragraph . To set, place or operate any body-grip trap that is 60 sq. or less in size, it must have a maximum vertical jaw measurement of 7.5 in . WHEN SET. The vertical measurement is taken from the widest points on the trap in the SET POSITION. ( fig.2 ) ( Fig 1 ) Just shows how to measure a unset trap. Less than or equal to 60 sq. LEGAL ON LAND in Wisconsin. So the trap in question WOULD BE LEGAL. Maybe you should rethink your measurements.
Big Pat feel free to set them. I have had this discussion with many folks. Even state in the video I know guys that have done it or do SO FEEL FREE TO DO WHAT YOU ARE COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE HAVE AT IT.
DNR regulations are often confusing (usually intentionally, or at least written by someone who has never trapped.) You are both right, to a degree. The regulations apply to traps between 60 and 75 square inches - so this EXCLUDES the 160, which is perfectly legal anywhere, in any set. Likewise, 110, 120, etc. "The current 2021 regulations state: BODY-GRIP TRAP REGULATIONS No person may set, place or operate any body-grip trap greater than 60 but less than 75 square inches, measured from the widest points on the outside of the jaws (Figure 1) as a": - "Baited and/or scented set in or on the ground unless the trap trigger is within an enclosure with openings no greater than 50 square inches for a 7 inch recess (this would EXCLUDE the 220, since it wouldn't fit inside a 7" x 7" coon box) or an opening of 8 inches high by 10 inches wide with a 10 inch minimum recess from the enclosure openings." This DOES apply to the 220 - so it IS legal if enclosed in an 8" x 10" coon box. - "Unbaited and/or unscented trail set unless the trap is within an enclosure that provides openings no greater than 10 inches high and 10 inches wide and is recessed a minimum of 15 inches from the enclosure openings." This DOES apply to the 220 - so it IS legal if enclosed in a 10" x 10" box - even if you have a 220 at both ends. You could even use the larger 280BT on dry ground for otter, bobcat, or beaver if it was inside a 10" x 10" box, recessed 15" back!
If anyone doubts Sam's explanation, call the DNR. I did. The answer from the warden supervisor that sits on the trapping committee is that Sam's explanation is exactly correct. If you can measure it at the widest point, unset, from ANY position, and it exceeds 60"sq, it is illegal for dry set. That said, I think they could resolve confusion by changing the language to 57"sq or something.
Hey Sam, I really appreciate your videos and I just stumbled across my first one of yours today and then I started binge watching and subscribed. You're a great guy and I hope to get into trapping myself here in Iowa. Keep making your videos and don't stop!
Great video, Sam. We have the same law here in NY. It kind of sucks, but it is best to stay on the safe side.
Andrew Gutmann Yes we are! I just got into trapping. I love it and wish more people could enjoy it to. Although, it is hard to find land to trap on.
Man!! I didn't think there was that few! Its because all of the snow flake liberals. We need more people who know how to handle themselves in the woods. I'm glad to see, though, that I'm not the only one stuck here. Haha.
Andrew Gutmann Sooo true! Tradition, conservation ; these things don't seem to matter to many people today. Its sad. If they just did it once then maybe they'd learn and enjoy it.
Bingo... I give you Sir an A+. Very well explained.
I came to the same conclusion. Thanks for sharing your insight.
Bodygrip traps are sold as 6x6, 7x7 (220's), 8x8, 10x10. Etc. Inside jaw spread. So why does the wi law have to make it difficult and say the widest point of the outside jaws? Someone really needs to change this in the rules and regulations.
have you looked at the round rgb body grip traps?
Good videos, i just started a couple years ago.. I appreciate the tips and hints.👍👍
Very educational, I was wanting to use um to catch skunks very knowledgeable thank you and make more videos
if i was just starting mink and muskrat trapping should I get 110 or 1 1/2. i am trapping little streams that feed three ponds.
Grant Wilson Go with the 110, its my opinion, but I seem to catch more, and can make different sets for muskrat. I don't know much about mink, though.
I don't have to worry about it because I trap private land in KY, but the reg said the widest part on the outside of the jaw. Is the rivet part of the jaw? in my opinion it isn't.
Great info. I wouldn't want to have any reason for the game warden to have any doubts about my equipment. Why invite trouble? I'm glad Louisiana's laws aren't that strict....
can i use a duke 1.5 coil spring to trap mink and muskrat in water set. do i need to get long spring traps?
Grant Wilson all I pretty much use is Duke 1 1/2 coil
Sam Wood Outdoors ok I watched a video and he said the coils when they fire will throw some water catches out? Thanks
Grant Wilson That is possible, but it doesn't happen way to awful much. Also a #1 coil spring might do you a little better for muskrat, I'm not sure about mink , though. Hope this helps, and good luck.
Bearfoot Outdoors why does a number 1 do better for muskrat
A 1 1/2 will do way better
Good video, I like his videos, learning alot
How many times a year do you dye your traps
Jonathan Smith once
Sam Wood Outdoors thanks and one last question when will you start trapping videos and will they be as frequently uploaded as last year
Sam Wood Outdoors and when will you start posting videos more often
Ask a game warden if they give out tickets for 220s
In Mn you can use 160s and 220s on land BUT they must be in a cubby set
Hey sam, loving the videos. Dam snowflakes all over southern ontario, blizzard out here lol. So cool to see all these air rifles out in the field getting job done. Also that 3 barrel shotgun is so sick.
People are risking tickets doin this but they would have no problem with measuring at the widest point to squeeze out an extra inch on the score of a buck they kill lmfao
I like your explanation, and erring on the side of caution, but I do not think that was DNR's intent. I'm going to see if I can get a definitive answer.
Are you going hunting this season
nope, cable restraints only
I'm with you on this. Better safe (and ticketless) than sorry. New sub from Mike Helton Survival and Prepping suggestion.
6”x 6” body grips and smaller all we can use on dry land in Arkansas
aaron coody : And 6" is all anyone needs.
Here in Utah you can use 330s on land so we don't have that problem. For fisher the biggest you can use is a 160 but 330 cubby set for a bobcat damn it's fine
It sounds like the intent of the rule was to include 220's on dry land sets.I will send them a public information request and find out for sure.
220 is just to big for me to handle and I would not want to catch someone’s dog in one.
You should be glad you can use 160s. Here in Missouri we can only use 110s on land
Tom H not entirely true. You can use a body grip trap up to 5 inches on land. Check the regs, I just confirmed. So you can use a 155 on land and something up to an 8 inch body grip in a building 6 feet or higher off the ground.
Tom H : Are snares
legal in Missouri?
Brian trucking Landers cable restraints with releasing locks on land in Missouri, shares under water. You need to attend a cable restraint class in MO to use them.
Next year you won't need the class
Sam,
In your video on body grip traps . Wisconsin trapping law. Out side to out side OF THE JAWS.
You are reading in to it.
So if your trap is 7 .25 and 8.25 = 59.81 YOU ARE LEGAL, ( PERIOD )
JUST SAYING. ( LAW 101 )
Big Pat feel free to set what feel is right! Law says widest point
In ohio you can only use 110 and 120on land
you can use the 155 the regulation is 5 inch
There is a deer behind you
Sam,
Big Pat again, After looking at the Wisconsin trapping law on page 11.
It looks like you are mistaken on the trap measurements.
At the bottom of the page. The last paragraph .
To set, place or operate any body-grip trap that is 60 sq. or less in size, it must have a maximum vertical jaw
measurement of 7.5 in .
WHEN SET.
The vertical measurement is taken from the widest points on the trap in the SET POSITION. ( fig.2 )
( Fig 1 ) Just shows how to measure a unset trap.
Less than or equal to 60 sq. LEGAL ON LAND in Wisconsin.
So the trap in question WOULD BE LEGAL.
Maybe you should rethink your measurements.
Big Pat feel free to set them. I have had this discussion with many folks. Even state in the video I know guys that have done it or do SO FEEL FREE TO DO WHAT YOU ARE COMPLETELY COMFORTABLE HAVE AT IT.
DNR regulations are often confusing (usually intentionally, or at least written by someone who has never trapped.)
You are both right, to a degree. The regulations apply to traps between 60 and 75 square inches - so this EXCLUDES the 160, which is perfectly legal anywhere, in any set. Likewise, 110, 120, etc.
"The current 2021 regulations state: BODY-GRIP TRAP REGULATIONS No person may set, place or operate any body-grip trap greater than 60 but less than 75 square inches, measured from the widest points on the outside of the jaws (Figure 1) as a":
- "Baited and/or scented set in or on the ground unless the trap trigger is within an enclosure with openings no greater than 50 square inches for a 7 inch recess (this would EXCLUDE the 220, since it wouldn't fit inside a 7" x 7" coon box) or an opening of 8 inches high by 10 inches wide with a 10 inch minimum recess from the enclosure openings." This DOES apply to the 220 - so it IS legal if enclosed in an 8" x 10" coon box.
- "Unbaited and/or unscented trail set unless the trap is within an enclosure that provides openings no greater than 10 inches high and 10 inches wide and is recessed a minimum of 15 inches from the enclosure openings." This DOES apply to the 220 - so it IS legal if enclosed in a 10" x 10" box - even if you have a 220 at both ends. You could even use the larger 280BT on dry ground for otter, bobcat, or beaver if it was inside a 10" x 10" box, recessed 15" back!
Very amusing ??
grey area means I don't know the real laws