brute tough brushed motor drill was heavy duty. The drill components was pretty much encased in plastic before being installed in the drill case itself. If you were to dent the outer casing, you would not pinch the mechanisms inside or make the bearings crooked. That is why the brute force drill was so big and tough and able to withstand sledgehammers! I guess they continued on in the brushless version. Only way to find out is to open them up !
Well done! I like that you dug up some old video to show a reasonable comparison as well.as the anti twist off your arm feature. very.well done! I almost broke my nose using a big high torque drill with no electric brake trying to drill through a sill plate. I was in awkward position and the bit caught a nail - the rest you can imagine! Bloody nose, glasses looked like a pretzel, and the drill had the cord wrapped around it and was sticking out of the wall! lol!
I like how you called it the anti twist off your arm feature, lol! Next time I go across a feature like this, that's what I'll call it haha. Dang dude that was a perfect example of why it's good to have some sort of e-clutch!
hey man great review on the drill. I can't believe it only puts up that much torque for such a big drill but hey it is what it is. keep the reviews coming appreciate your Channel.
I just purchased this brand new for $99 on ebay which I think is a fantastic deal. Great review! After reading so many comments about the torque I have no doubt if Bosch wanted to make a drill to match other manufactures torque capabilities I'm sure they could but I believe they weight specific factors and try to make decisions based on performance, durability and longevity over brute power/torque.
I agree with your comment because Bosch made a 36V model with only 800 in-lbs torque. Obviously not trying to win a torque race. Check out the article here: toolcraze.net/bosch-releases-new-36v-brute-tough-drill-hammer-drill/
They say that porsche is sometimes less powered than his counterparts in ferrari, mclaren and lambo but i find that it gets better times and a pretty long life in the engines. So i believe this is the case with Bosch. Performance is not only torque and power...
My impression was with Bosch the pounds per torque was intentionally designed lower for durability and longevity. If I'm understanding their reasoning correctly faster drills probably won't last a lifetime. Their drills always suit my hand the best, I've been very satisfied, the brute is damn sexy for a tool. People say they they are behind the other companies, truth is their platform is much larger worldwide. The United states isn't even 25% of their global market. Their cool pack battery technology and runtimes are still ahead of everyone, and the wireless charging rocks! Another thing I can personally vouch for is some of my Bosch tools are a decade or older and still functioning good as new.
Although bosch is a really amazing brand this drill is a yesterday tool nowadays, all other brands have higher torque cordless drills available and more is on the way. Its looks like bosch doesn't want to give yet a higher torque tool for some reason so they stick to the previous model's power.
Bosch is way ahead of the game if you ask me. people are saying half the torque but this drill will destroy a Milwaukee or DeWalt. Bosch lasts forever, the poeple designing this drill knows what there doing
Good question. The same applies to all drills including all brands and doesn't matter if they are a regular drill or a hammer drill. The lowest number speed is low speed/high torque, which is speed 1. The highest speed is the opposite, high speed but least torque. I mention the highest speed because some drills have more than 2 speeds. For example some like Dewalt's "Premium" drills have three speeds. There are even some drills that have 4 speeds such as select Fein drills and the same applies to these as well. If a drill has more than two speeds, the middle speed(s) are a middle ground of speed and torque.
thanks for review.ive got the brute hammer older model looking at getting the compact brushless new model with metal chuck hopefully you can make a review of that tool soon.chau amigo.
The torque rating is only as good as the gearbox. I am a plumber and have owned the milwaukee 2704-20 for10 months now. 2 days ago the gearbox started slipping and now it only grinds on low speed. I have a hole hawg that takes the majority of abuse so I wouldn't say I abused the battery drill. It looks like the bosch has a pretty substantial gearbox compared to the other brands. Torque ratings seem more like marketing hype than a real measure of drill quality. I'd rather have 600 in lbs last me 10 + years than 1200 in lbs that'll last 10 months. Most real world applications don't require the torque being advertised.
Torque ratings are a measurement of torque and performance, not reliability. There's no accurate way to measure reliability since everyone uses their tools differently.
Can I please get your help? Just got this drill, but only one LED light actually lights up. Is this how it is supposed to work, or is it defective? Thank you.
Very nice review as always 👍 This drill has a lot of bulk, a chunky tool but nice grip though. Check out my review of the brushless 12v: th-cam.com/video/cGXWXlzXSNU/w-d-xo.html It sees like Bosch has other priorities than power these days, but of course power is not everything 💪
you're right power is not everything but when you're paying as much as the competition, you want a tool that competes in terms of size, weight, and performance otherwise they should charge less
Tool Craze When you look at price you are absolutely right. I had an Bosch 18v impact once, it was the first generation of brushed socket ready impacts. And at that time it was quite the tool, socket and bits all in one. Then came the brushless competition, and suddenly it was not that great anymore. Some years later Bosch launched their new brushless socket ready impact and I was exited and happy, only to realize that it did not perform any better than my old one. I would expect more power in a new tool, at least on par with other similar brands but no. I switched to Milwaukees new gen 2 m12 impact, not as powerful as the average 18v but pretty damn close I'd say. But if I ever need more power in the future, I hope Bosch do step up their game in terms of thunder and oomph.
Tool Craze I would also like to see a brushless circsaw with greater cut capacity from bosch, but so far it doesnt seem to be in the works. I have never had a Bosch tool fall appart even after several years of tough use in this wet climate here in Norway, so their build quality and durability is absolutely their strongsuit. But its time they made some upgrades to the 18v line so they don't lose to the competitors.
Thanks for the comment Richard. I don't know whether you're referring to the kickback control or a torque collar in general. Yes other drills have torque collars, but few drills have separate mode selector collars. If you're taking about the kickback control, then no, all drills don't have this feature. And using the torque limiting screwdriver mode isn't ideal for drilling and not the same as kickback control safety feature.
I don't believe in the "hammer drill" hype it's a gimmick for home owners. never once seen one of these on a job site even for small anchors it's sds all day.
Stinky Cheese an sds drill in a tool belt 😂😂. and your speaking of jobsites lmao I'm talking multi million dollar projects not 1 house. no 1 uses a drill for drilling into concrete if drill has hammer drill function or not
Well actually it's not a gimmick at least not for all brands, milwaukee and metabo have really good hammer gear and you can do small holes here and there in small jobs plus having the high torque in one tool instead of carrying two tools an sds plus and a high torque drill.
Mike Its really too bad, I love Bosch tools for their durability and ergonomics. The 12v line is unpeckable and thats where I own most tools, compact and powerful stuff. Also a great range of tools. Their 18v line is another story. Bosch has some great drills in the dynamic range, especially the DDS182. The circsaw is also great in many ways, but what I dont understand is why they have not upgraded to brushless motors on these very common tools. Jigsaw, Circ, planer and recipsaw all of these are still brushed.
No, i don't own one i'm in the research phase and i've seen the worst about Bosch drills. Bosch apparently doesn't care about quality like it used to....
I'm telling you it doesn't wobble, take it from someone that's tried many different drills from many brands. It is not normal for them to wobble otherwise they're defective and this model doesn't wobble or the other Bosch drills I've tried.
I have no reason to question you. I'm just saying what i've seen around and read in forums. Maybe i've used the wrong term. What i meant to say is that the chucks are not quite right. Anyway thanks for the response. Already subsribed. I think what you do is amazing. One of a few channels on youtube with objective power tool reviews. Anyway, from your expirience, what brand would you recomend between Bosch, Makita, AEG (ridgid)? Also check this out if you have the time (14:22)..... th-cam.com/video/gmvxeogv93M/w-d-xo.html Again....Thanks!!!
I checked out that video and I wouldn't call that wobble, I would call that nit picking. It wobbles ever so slightly, so insignificantly, so hard to see unless you set it up in a lab situation with special testing equipment that it will never bother you in real life usage. Trust me bro, if you put any drill under a microscope as that guy did, then by his test all drills would be considered as having chuck wobble. I've only once seen a drill have a real wobble, one that it would severely cripple the tool from doing its work properly and that drill was one I bought at night at a swap meet. No wonder why I thought it was a good deal because it was defective, and no it wasn't a bosch drill either. Moral of the story, is that if you can tell it wobbles without any special test equipment, then it's defective. My advice is to take it back.
brute tough brushed motor drill was heavy duty. The drill components was pretty much encased in plastic before being installed in the drill case itself. If you were to dent the outer casing, you would not pinch the mechanisms inside or make the bearings crooked. That is why the brute force drill was so big and tough and able to withstand sledgehammers! I guess they continued on in the brushless version. Only way to find out is to open them up !
Great review on the tool thanks. Some strong editing and great filming going on here too. Great channel!
thanks Ryan, a lot of work and preparation goes into my videos, glad you noticed!
Well done! I like that you dug up some old video to show a reasonable comparison as well.as the anti twist off your arm feature. very.well done! I almost broke my nose using a big high torque drill with no electric brake trying to drill through a sill plate. I was in awkward position and the bit caught a nail - the rest you can imagine! Bloody nose, glasses looked like a pretzel, and the drill had the cord wrapped around it and was sticking out of the wall! lol!
I like how you called it the anti twist off your arm feature, lol! Next time I go across a feature like this, that's what I'll call it haha.
Dang dude that was a perfect example of why it's good to have some sort of e-clutch!
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Tool Craze Thanks bro!
hey man great review on the drill. I can't believe it only puts up that much torque for such a big drill but hey it is what it is. keep the reviews coming appreciate your Channel.
Thanks Boyd! I got more reviews coming, next will be a Makita review.
I just purchased this brand new for $99 on ebay which I think is a fantastic deal. Great review! After reading so many comments about the torque I have no doubt if Bosch wanted to make a drill to match other manufactures torque capabilities I'm sure they could but I believe they weight specific factors and try to make decisions based on performance, durability and longevity over brute power/torque.
I agree with your comment because Bosch made a 36V model with only 800 in-lbs torque. Obviously not trying to win a torque race. Check out the article here: toolcraze.net/bosch-releases-new-36v-brute-tough-drill-hammer-drill/
They say that porsche is sometimes less powered than his counterparts in ferrari, mclaren and lambo but i find that it gets better times and a pretty long life in the engines. So i believe this is the case with Bosch. Performance is not only torque and power...
My impression was with Bosch the pounds per torque was intentionally designed lower for durability and longevity. If I'm understanding their reasoning correctly faster drills probably won't last a lifetime. Their drills always suit my hand the best, I've been very satisfied, the brute is damn sexy for a tool. People say they they are behind the other companies, truth is their platform is much larger worldwide. The United states isn't even 25% of their global market. Their cool pack battery technology and runtimes are still ahead of everyone, and the wireless charging rocks! Another thing I can personally vouch for is some of my Bosch tools are a decade or older and still functioning good as new.
Benjamin Brody Would be nice if they uped the power
I changed all my tools to Bosch, no regrets, the 36v sds is a real beast
Although bosch is a really amazing brand this drill is a yesterday tool nowadays, all other brands have higher torque cordless drills available and more is on the way. Its looks like bosch doesn't want to give yet a higher torque tool for some reason so they stick to the previous model's power.
Está bien padre ese taladro
Quality review, thanks for the info!
I would like to see this drill compared with the previous model which had 750 in/lb torque but was brushed
great review Javier.
thanks Rey!
Bosch is way ahead of the game if you ask me. people are saying half the torque but this drill will destroy a Milwaukee or DeWalt. Bosch lasts forever, the poeple designing this drill knows what there doing
Ancient Chi my last one the model before with the metal chuck lasted 5 and a half years of site work
Ancient Chi I agree with you
Ademas del Quick back, y el torque electrónico que tiene, no lo tiene ningún taladro.
Y para toda la vida............
I agree all my power tools are Bosch they can handle a beating I like Milwaukee too not a big fan of DEWALT
Nice...Thanks for the review
Rookie question but on let’s say a Bosch hammer drill, which gear/speed is higher speed lower torque and which is lower speed higher torque?
Good question. The same applies to all drills including all brands and doesn't matter if they are a regular drill or a hammer drill. The lowest number speed is low speed/high torque, which is speed 1. The highest speed is the opposite, high speed but least torque. I mention the highest speed because some drills have more than 2 speeds. For example some like Dewalt's "Premium" drills have three speeds. There are even some drills that have 4 speeds such as select Fein drills and the same applies to these as well. If a drill has more than two speeds, the middle speed(s) are a middle ground of speed and torque.
thanks for review.ive got the brute hammer older model looking at getting the compact brushless new model with metal chuck hopefully you can make a review of that tool soon.chau amigo.
Thanks Tocayo, I already reviewed the Bosch compact brushes models :) check out my review on the dds183 and hds183 compact tough models.
The torque rating is only as good as the gearbox. I am a plumber and have owned the milwaukee 2704-20 for10 months now. 2 days ago the gearbox started slipping and now it only grinds on low speed. I have a hole hawg that takes the majority of abuse so I wouldn't say I abused the battery drill. It looks like the bosch has a pretty substantial gearbox compared to the other brands. Torque ratings seem more like marketing hype than a real measure of drill quality. I'd rather have 600 in lbs last me 10 + years than 1200 in lbs that'll last 10 months. Most real world applications don't require the torque being advertised.
Torque ratings are a measurement of torque and performance, not reliability. There's no accurate way to measure reliability since everyone uses their tools differently.
I hope Bosch steps it up soon
hey man how do you get tools
In the U.K. this is sold as a GSB 18VE-EC
ok cool
Hey, do you know if this model is the top of range 18v from Bosch hammers?
The bosh has tock control that adjusts if you adjust it should stop the drill from twisting out of your hands .
I explained in the video it has kick back control
Can I please get your help? Just got this drill, but only one LED light actually lights up. Is this how it is supposed to work, or is it defective? Thank you.
it only has one light
That handle is best on the market
What about Bosch GSB 18v-85C?is it better than this 18v-EC?
Big thumbs up my man. 👍🏿
thanks Bro
Bosch needs to get it together
So, Bosch is selling a drill they engineered and designed 3 years ago?
not sure when it was designed and engineered but it barely came out a few months ago
Why is it only 85 nm when the competetitors are 100++?
another nice review. I hope youbwon the lottery to buy these tools.
thanks bro!
Must be the transmission they are using for low gear for maximum torque just a wild guess ? ??
the gearing is similar to other drills so it's mostly the power of the motor
won't be giving up my Milwaukee 2703 or 2704. half the torque of what I'm used to
bosch the king
Germany tools the best quality, thanks good vídeo.
How much
I can't choose between Bosch Metabo and Miketa
Metabo always!
u can go 2 menards .com site u can get performax and master force tools order them
Has videos en español para la comunidad latina porfavor
if only I had the time and manpower to do that
recently, professional no longer don't use bosch. dewalt milwaukee use. bosch must have introspect.
cool
nice y con guebos
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the Makita giveaway winners have been announced on the website. toolcraze.net/
I should have said clutch
Can you be specific? You never said whether you're taking about the torque limiting collar or the kickback control?
Very nice review as always 👍
This drill has a lot of bulk, a chunky tool but nice grip though.
Check out my review of the brushless 12v:
th-cam.com/video/cGXWXlzXSNU/w-d-xo.html
It sees like Bosch has other priorities than power these days, but of course power is not everything 💪
you're right power is not everything but when you're paying as much as the competition, you want a tool that competes in terms of size, weight, and performance otherwise they should charge less
Tool Craze When you look at price you are absolutely right. I had an Bosch 18v impact once, it was the first generation of brushed socket ready impacts. And at that time it was quite the tool, socket and bits all in one. Then came the brushless competition, and suddenly it was not that great anymore. Some years later Bosch launched their new brushless socket ready impact and I was exited and happy, only to realize that it did not perform any better than my old one. I would expect more power in a new tool, at least on par with other similar brands but no.
I switched to Milwaukees new gen 2 m12 impact, not as powerful as the average 18v but pretty damn close I'd say. But if I ever need more power in the future, I hope Bosch do step up their game in terms of thunder and oomph.
yeah because this new Bosch is larger and heavier than second gen models from the competition so it's not just behind in performance
Tool Craze I would also like to see a brushless circsaw with greater cut capacity from bosch, but so far it doesnt seem to be in the works. I have never had a Bosch tool fall appart even after several years of tough use in this wet climate here in Norway, so their build quality and durability is absolutely their strongsuit. But its time they made some upgrades to the 18v line so they don't lose to the competitors.
Thay all have a clutch
Thanks for the comment Richard. I don't know whether you're referring to the kickback control or a torque collar in general. Yes other drills have torque collars, but few drills have separate mode selector collars.
If you're taking about the kickback control, then no, all drills don't have this feature. And using the torque limiting screwdriver mode isn't ideal for drilling and not the same as kickback control safety feature.
Germany tools the best quality and biutiful very strong, wera knipex gedore wiha Belzer whurth pferd ruko projahn metabo etc...😂
I don't believe in the "hammer drill" hype it's a gimmick for home owners. never once seen one of these on a job site even for small anchors it's sds all day.
It's useful if you only need to do a few. But anything over half a dozen 6mm holes, and yeah, SDS.
Stinky Cheese an sds drill in a tool belt 😂😂. and your speaking of jobsites lmao I'm talking multi million dollar projects not 1 house. no 1 uses a drill for drilling into concrete if drill has hammer drill function or not
Well actually it's not a gimmick at least not for all brands, milwaukee and metabo have really good hammer gear and you can do small holes here and there in small jobs plus having the high torque in one tool instead of carrying two tools an sds plus and a high torque drill.
Bosch is really lagging behind the competition.
Mike Its really too bad, I love Bosch tools for their durability and ergonomics. The 12v line is unpeckable and thats where I own most tools, compact and powerful stuff. Also a great range of tools. Their 18v line is another story. Bosch has some great drills in the dynamic range, especially the DDS182. The circsaw is also great in many ways, but what I dont understand is why they have not upgraded to brushless motors on these very common tools. Jigsaw, Circ, planer and recipsaw all of these are still brushed.
And not too many other sister tool products using the same battery platform.
Also Bosch chucks wobble like hell... I wouldn't like to pay good money on a drill that it's chuck wobbles this much.
sounds like yours is defective, it shouldn't wobble
No, i don't own one i'm in the research phase and i've seen the worst about Bosch drills. Bosch apparently doesn't care about quality like it used to....
I'm telling you it doesn't wobble, take it from someone that's tried many different drills from many brands. It is not normal for them to wobble otherwise they're defective and this model doesn't wobble or the other Bosch drills I've tried.
I have no reason to question you. I'm just saying what i've seen around and read in forums. Maybe i've used the wrong term. What i meant to say is that the chucks are not quite right. Anyway thanks for the response. Already subsribed. I think what you do is amazing. One of a few channels on youtube with objective power tool reviews. Anyway, from your expirience, what brand would you recomend between Bosch, Makita, AEG (ridgid)? Also check this out if you have the time (14:22).....
th-cam.com/video/gmvxeogv93M/w-d-xo.html
Again....Thanks!!!
I checked out that video and I wouldn't call that wobble, I would call that nit picking. It wobbles ever so slightly, so insignificantly, so hard to see unless you set it up in a lab situation with special testing equipment that it will never bother you in real life usage.
Trust me bro, if you put any drill under a microscope as that guy did, then by his test all drills would be considered as having chuck wobble. I've only once seen a drill have a real wobble, one that it would severely cripple the tool from doing its work properly and that drill was one I bought at night at a swap meet. No wonder why I thought it was a good deal because it was defective, and no it wasn't a bosch drill either.
Moral of the story, is that if you can tell it wobbles without any special test equipment, then it's defective. My advice is to take it back.