My Grandad drove the team, my Dad loaded the wagon. Your man on the wagon is in need of training. Grandad drove the team with only a walking stick, and nary a word and a nudge gee and haw, no whip. I was too young to appreciate the skill. Mom drove the old Rockne to pull the rope for the hay forks in the barn. Wish I had that car now. All the kids in the car so she knew where we were. Memories. ❤️
Tough work, you can tell by the arms on the man on the trailer that he hasn't done so much fork work. The older men had forearms that would put Popeye to shame.
+clydo1946 This over processing the hey make it loose . When you leave the grass to dry and pic up yourself the hey is coming together like a fabric and then is easy to shape a load .
This is a reply to TheBadger1967, below (too late to tag his question). The far ox (the one on the right), is not pulling as strongly, or as quickly, as the near ox, so the yoke of oxen is constantly shifting to the right. The driver is using the command Haw to correct this shift in order to keep the yoke and their load on the straight. When the driver actually wants to turn to the right, he stops using Haw, and sometimes you can hear him say Gee, but not everytime. I think the yoke of oxen needs extra training so that they are not being corrected every step, and maybe a yoke adjustment to give more power to the ox on the right. Still, some yokes are always mismatched in pace and this is how the yoke and the handler have come to grips with it. As I said, I would choose differently, as in more training and equipment adjustment.
+Denise Skidmore Part of the confusion may be that I am using the word yoke to designate both the piece of equipment on the oxen's necks, AND the pair of oxen themselves. Both of which are perfectly correct as technically you don't have a team until you have 4 oxen, two yokes working together. Correct, but sometimes can be confusing. An adjustment to the pivot point to give more leverage to the lagging animal was exactly what I meant by a yoke adjustment. You have made that clearer than I.
+keepdancingmaria I was just noting that physical training alone may not make up for the issue if one ox is just genetically stronger than the other. Without knowing the team I can't say if the weak ox is incapable or lazy.
I totally like the invention of the hay machine.Awesome invention.Wouldn’t it be nice if the treadmill did some steady movement every time the Oxen took a step.Then the (Wagon)or object would move at the rate the Oxen is moving.Idk.Just imagining that there is a platform for Oxen to be more efficient.And eventually not putting a weight behind their head with their harness.Every farmer put’s a heavy harness on their Oxen.But,that’s just my opinion.
+Candide Thirtythree Sides make the wagon heavier, a skilled stacker doesn't need them. The guy in the video must still be learning, or has not had a mentor to teach him. Also the hay is coming up very fast for careful stacking and it's usually a job for 2 men.
Can anyone identify this hay loader? Is it a Sandwich-New Idea Easy-Way (I think so)? If so, number 3? Could be Cockshutt or Co-Op? Width of ridges on bed/deck looks like S-NI.
Give that poor load builder a break! First off, your oxen are of dairy decent with great long legs on them and second, they are walking at such a pace as if to be first in line going into the milking parlor.
I'm not of the opinion that they've used the wrong breed of 'oxen, only that they are so fast, the lone fellow building the load is working his backside off, trying to keep up! The bovines in the video appear to be descendant from Guernsey. I'm not willing to put money on that but, that's what they look like to me. They are long of leg as more dairy breeds are, compared to beef, which tend to be shorter in the leg and they are using that length of stride to really pile the hay onto that wagon. Having had the responsibility of building the load on the hay wagon in my junior years, I've been in that guy's place and I can really empathize with his struggle to keep up and not screw up in the process!
Denise Skidmore Ayrshires are notorious for having upward curivng horns ("lyre shaped") as shown here, Guernseys are known for having inward curving horns akin to Jerseys...
Have you ever built a load? Been responsible for making sure half of it didn't fall off going through the invariable ditch between the field and the barn...on a hot, muggy July afternoon? I say the oxen are walking too fast!
My Grandad drove the team, my Dad loaded the wagon. Your man on the wagon is in need of training. Grandad drove the team with only a walking stick, and nary a word and a nudge gee and haw, no whip. I was too young to appreciate the skill. Mom drove the old Rockne to pull the rope for the hay forks in the barn. Wish I had that car now. All the kids in the car so she knew where we were. Memories. ❤️
It's amazing what Oxen Can do when they're trained
I love the sound that that old loader makes.
Tough work, you can tell by the arms on the man on the trailer that he hasn't done so much fork work. The older men had forearms that would put Popeye to shame.
Treat your animals with respect and love and dignity and they will do the work well.
Building a load of hay is an art. He obviously needs more study.
Agreed
+John Doe He Needs The Ox Whit On His Ass
+clydo1946 This over processing the hey make it loose . When you leave the grass to dry and pic up yourself the hey is coming together like a fabric and then is easy to shape a load .
Wow! That's hard work for both the men and the beasts.
This is a reply to TheBadger1967, below (too late to tag his question). The far ox (the one on the right), is not pulling as strongly, or as quickly, as the near ox, so the yoke of oxen is constantly shifting to the right. The driver is using the command Haw to correct this shift in order to keep the yoke and their load on the straight. When the driver actually wants to turn to the right, he stops using Haw, and sometimes you can hear him say Gee, but not everytime. I think the yoke of oxen needs extra training so that they are not being corrected every step, and maybe a yoke adjustment to give more power to the ox on the right. Still, some yokes are always mismatched in pace and this is how the yoke and the handler have come to grips with it. As I said, I would choose differently, as in more training and equipment adjustment.
+keepdancingmaria Switching sides could correct this, but they would need to be retrained.
+keepdancingmaria Another potential solution is an offset hitch point in the yoke, so the weaker animal has more mechanical advantage.
+Denise Skidmore Yes, I suggested that above:) More training and yoke adjustment. Oxen rock when they are well trained, don't they?
+Denise Skidmore Part of the confusion may be that I am using the word yoke to designate both the piece of equipment on the oxen's necks, AND the pair of oxen themselves. Both of which are perfectly correct as technically you don't have a team until you have 4 oxen, two yokes working together. Correct, but sometimes can be confusing. An adjustment to the pivot point to give more leverage to the lagging animal was exactly what I meant by a yoke adjustment. You have made that clearer than I.
+keepdancingmaria I was just noting that physical training alone may not make up for the issue if one ox is just genetically stronger than the other. Without knowing the team I can't say if the weak ox is incapable or lazy.
sides on the trailer..?
What type of oxen are they?
I totally like the invention of the hay machine.Awesome invention.Wouldn’t it be nice if the treadmill did some steady movement every time the Oxen took a step.Then the (Wagon)or object would move at the rate the Oxen is moving.Idk.Just imagining that there is a platform for Oxen to be more efficient.And eventually not putting a weight behind their head with their harness.Every farmer put’s a heavy harness on their Oxen.But,that’s just my opinion.
I like ox driving very much....... by ganesan bachelor mechanical engineer
I suppose this was a lot easier than having to throw the hay up on the wagon manually.
zooeyhall it might be but it takes up 3 times the room in the barn cause bales are packed togather
Yep!
Half of it just falls off the sides, wouldn't it be better to put some side rails on that wagon?
+Candide Thirtythree Sides make the wagon heavier, a skilled stacker doesn't need them. The guy in the video must still be learning, or has not had a mentor to teach him. Also the hay is coming up very fast for careful stacking and it's usually a job for 2 men.
Yep I had a team of 'em in the 90s, but they didn't work as nicely as this team.
I like farmer very much I am also farmer......
Some sides on that wagon would save a lot of work/time.
Nope. Makes unloading twice the work.
Nice team
Can anyone identify this hay loader? Is it a Sandwich-New Idea Easy-Way (I think so)? If so, number 3? Could be Cockshutt or Co-Op? Width of ridges on bed/deck looks like S-NI.
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Why does he keep saying haw when they are turning to the right? Gee seems to be more appropriate...
That clown wearing shorts on the wagon has no idea what he's doing.
This is not the correct way to harness oxen.
Give that poor load builder a break! First off, your oxen are of dairy decent with great long legs on them and second, they are walking at such a pace as if to be first in line going into the milking parlor.
Which breed of oxen they should have used?
I'm not of the opinion that they've used the wrong breed of 'oxen, only that they are so fast, the lone fellow building the load is working his backside off, trying to keep up! The bovines in the video appear to be descendant from Guernsey. I'm not willing to put money on that but, that's what they look like to me. They are long of leg as more dairy breeds are, compared to beef, which tend to be shorter in the leg and they are using that length of stride to really pile the hay onto that wagon. Having had the responsibility of building the load on the hay wagon in my junior years, I've been in that guy's place and I can really empathize with his struggle to keep up and not screw up in the process!
Bulls could turn turbines and generate electricity easily
oxen weight plsss.......
are those ayrshires
+mandababyification look like Guernseys even with the horns
+mandababyification They are Guernseys
+Colin K They're born with horn buds, but most dairy farmers dehorn them.
Denise Skidmore Ayrshires are notorious for having upward curivng horns ("lyre shaped") as shown here, Guernseys are known for having inward curving horns akin to Jerseys...
Ah! I didn't know that!
Are these Amish farmers somewhere in the Midwest in the United States.?
put some siderails on that wagon
The on fool on the wagon is the weak link, he doesn't know how to work.
That guy on the trailer is too slow.
+Y10Q Most people that operate these have two guys in the trailer, and still have to stop now and then for them to catch up.
Have you ever built a load? Been responsible for making sure half of it didn't fall off going through the invariable ditch between the field and the barn...on a hot, muggy July afternoon? I say the oxen are walking too fast!
Reenactors, you can see the name badge on the guy in the wagon.
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