I have a very similar package 2024 Silverado RST, True North Edition with the Max trailer package and the 6.2. I love it, pulls trailers so well and like it was mentioned the fuel economy is quite reasonable. I gotta say as well that the sound (especially in sport mode when it opens up the exhaust) sound like very few other vehicles on the road. Very happy driving mine around the Fredericton, NB area as well. No truck package is the "best" out there though, it's all about getting what works best for your situation. Love the channel, keep up the amazing work, one of the reasons I bought my truck in the first place was do to the research I did including your videos.
Id love to see the 3.0 duramax in the mix, I have a 2014 ecodiesel, wuth all the bad press i love it. I don't tow heavy often. Plan to in retirment, travel trailer, trying to pick the right truck for performance and fuel mileage. Maybe 3/4 ton who knows. Love the vid's keep'er goin bud. 😊
No doubt the 6.2 is a bit behind on power. I have my 2016 Denali 6.2 that’s still going strong at 237k. I replaced it with a 3.0 duramax for tow duty and so far I’m blown away at the performance and mileage I get. To give credit where it’s due the 3.5 EB is one stout little engine for sure.
Had a GMC 2013 6.2. The thing was a towing beast. Even though it only had a six speed. Can't remember the gear ratio. I had nine to ten thousand pounds behind her screaming up the steepest grades in the rockies at 100kph/60 mph. It was maxed out but never complained. Good truck. I'll bet it's still going strong.
Is your oil 0w20? I've read mixed opinions on the recommended 0w20 vs people going with 5w30. I have a 2017 6.2L and I've been using 0w20 as recommended.
Best truck review videos anywhere. Thank you for making these. May I suggest to add payload information? I find that with the half-ton trucks that is more limiting than the tow rating.
I have the exact same truck and I love it. It’s fun to drive it’s comfortable. And believe it or not… going to Columbus and back from Cleveland using cruise control most of the time I get 24.4-24.7 mpg every trip.
Excellent channel. You should note the converter state when towing up the hills. If unlocked, the converter will create more heat which possibly could explain some of your test data like trans temp and the fuel economy numbers. Maybe use a scan tool to take some data snapshots to see more of what is going on.
My 2017 6.2 pulls stuff great, how it pulls reminds me of my old c2500 with a 454, can pull a full size skidsteer pretty easily, trailer weighed in around 3k-3.5k and the skid was damn near 11k and it handled it better than you would think despite overloading it, and I live in Colorado and pulled hills with it quite often. It's an amazing engine. You can see why GM used the foundation of the hotrod 6.2 for their HD gasser engine the 6.6 The 8 speed transmission however does not hold up with that type of use (obviously, I was pushing the truck hard), hope the 10 speeds are better.
The 3.5 is definitely pulls like a boss, but you are right Alex, it doesn’t have that wonderful sound. My issue with the 6.2….dynamic fuel management 👎💩 I know turbos always bring more complexity to the table, but I don’t know if i could bring myself to buy a v8 with any cylinder deactivation system. I have a 2019 tahoe for my company vehicle with 5.3 and I absolutely hate the afm. However great video!
alex could you do a video on the difference in the cylinder deactivation systems in the ford vs the gm and rams. If I understood correctly somewhere i heard of ford using a different system that is not quite as unreliable. Could you go in depth with this?
I’m not taking anything away from Any 1/2 ton trucks but this is why I like the tundra max torque @ 2600 rpm 489ft lb for just 3.4L TT and 583 for the 3.4L TT hybrid, also 2600 rpm , I own the tundra and it is just an amazing towing machine it’s very impressive, feels like a diesel
Thank you - I am looking for a new truck in the next 6-12 months and want a great all-around ½ ton. I have a one-ton Duramax that is my big puller; however, I want a great all-around ½ ton for everything else, with power and comfort a big consideration. Your videos are very important information about my decision.
My biggest complaint with all of these small turbo engines is the lack of engine braking. I have had both Fords and now on the Chevy 2.7L. When you are towing, nothing is more important than stopping and keeping the brakes cool on long freeway hills. The manufacturers need to look into exhaust brakes like the diesels have, especially when they are telling customers that a 1500 series is capable of towing 12,000lbs 😮. I still drive a 2016 Sequoia and tow a 7000+ lb., travel trailer with a family of 6 on board. I can pull every hill here in BC, Canada, doing the spedd limit. Power is not a problem these days.
Do you plan to put the 3.0 Duramax through the same towing test? This is the best towing comparison series on TH-cam by far! Missing the most interesting engine for the half ton class. Awesome work on your part.
Love your videos! What is your elevation for this test? I would think this could effect the competition if you are at a higher elevation. The Turbos will have the advantage at higher elevations.
@@GettysGarage None of them are "simple" anymore. I wish people would think about how "simple" a turbocharger is, compared to adding components to a reciprocating assembly. The reliance of the turbo on hot exhaust fumes is a challenge in terms of materials and lubrication - and keeping the heat out of the intake air - but it's easy to balance and it only ever moves in one rotation. It's one of the simplest components on a modern engine. Are we any simpler adding two sets of connecting rods, rod bearings, pistons, ring packs, valves, and cylinder walls - all of which are potential failure points? And if fuel efficiency comes down to basically giving and taking away capacity, how's a turbo any worse than cylinder deactivation? Either way there are issues - even with engines that didn't destroy camshafts (like the Honda V6), the deactivated cylinders can have problems with ring sealing. And it's gotten harder to compare apples to apples with production vehicles - but we're always trying to relate performance differences to technology we like or dislike; when the differences are difficult to trace - is it the engine? Or is it the way the transmission was programmed? GM won't let anyone buy a 2.7 turbo with the same 10-speed transmission that's in the V8 trucks; it's an 8-speed that apparently is based on a ZF design (which is widely used in Chryslers). Nobody sells a manual in a full-size pickup. All this talk about how V8s "sound" is also crazy; none of them really sound like classic V8s and the sound is electronically assisted. They could pipe in whatever sounds they wanted to. If they aren't careful with the Atari noises, I'll be trying to pass some gleep who only wakes up when he's being passed, when my "engine" starts playing Ms. Pac Man.
I may be indifferent, but with the towing capacities being that close it's not a big difference for me. I don't tow at max load anyways. I do however tow pretty consistently and I just prefer the way a naturally aspirated engine tows. I don't like driving something with turbo lag and exaggerated torque bands, especially with so many hills around. It's just not as comfortable to me.
The 6.2 in 1500’s (iirc) requires premium fuel. It will run just fine on regular, but will pull timing and not make the quoted 420hp. Maybe that’s why the 400hp in 3.5L beat the theoretical 420hp in the “merge” acceleration test? Curious to hear your thoughts. Love the reviews :)
Hope to see the powerboost on this test some day. I went from the 3.5 ecoboost to the 3.5 powerboost. Powerboost is supposed to have more power but seems questionable to me..maybe the weight...maybe the longer bed and more options.
Hey Cutie, despite being a Ford guy, I quite liked that interior and if I got a GMC/Chevy I’d still get a v8. Also in regard to the highway trucks you passed, as I drove Cat 797s, I call those trucks the “cute little semis” haha
Had a 2006.5 6.0 sierra 1500hd pre cylinder deactivation. It was no powerhouse and was terribly inneficiant, but stupid reliable. It was an old school v8. Nowadays, I would get an ecoboost, over the cylinder deactivating v8s. The ecoboosts are superfun to drive, and alot of the bugs have been worked out of them by now, and they don't have lifters to eat. One of my work trucks is a 21 gmc 1500 5.3, it starts rough from time to time, and the thing is noticeably eating oil at 140 000kms.
Except the Ford can have a 36 gallon tank whereas the GM 24 gallons is it. You may spend a little more towing but you won’t have range issues and there will be less drama. Not every case puts the ecoboost at 5.8 mpg while towing. I’ve actually never had that experience but never isolated towing a grade specifically.
Alex, do you have a video on what happens during a normal drive (not towing) with afm/cylinder deactivation? I’m very interested in a naturally aspirated v8, but do wonder how often I’d be driving with all 8 cylinders when not towing.
BTW, Internationals carry a Trash-force engine not a "Maxx"force engine. That being said, I think you should check out the new S13 powertrain they brought over from Scania & do a video on it. would love to hear your input!
I have the same truck and I wish it was flex fuel .. I wanna port the heads and get some high flow cat headers and a retune and maybe a cam but idk… but just a retune on my buddies truck really woke it up… it walks right away from my stock one
I can tell you I was getting 40 - L/100KM on my F150 Powerboost well towing the same trailer, I tuned it.. I now get 24-27 L / 100 KM ( I have a 4 inch lift and 35 Inch tires )
How does the lift and tires affect the low speed ev performance and mileage? Do you have to baby the throttle more to keep the gas motor from kicking on?
@leandyp9107 how do you like it so far? I'm thinking of getting a 21+F-150, not sure which engine to go with. Thinking the 2.7 is probably the best bet. I'm not going to be towing anything, and mostly highway driving./commuting.
@@trailrunnah8886 I believe you'll love the 2.7, I certainly love my '21 XLT FX4 for a similar role + a little light towing. I never feel like it's hurting for power. I averaged ~20.3 mpg over a ~9k mile sample covering all uses including the towing and 4 mo/year using heavy 10 ply, load range E soft compound winter tires. (and a bit of spirited driving 😉) ...And it's so QUIET! See Alex's videos on this channel about the 2.7 Nano if you haven't already. It's built like a tank!
I have an 8k pound travel trailer that I pull in the Colorado mountains up to 11,000 feet elevation. What would you choose to tow it? I am currently using my 2001 GMC 1500 with the 5.3L but it has 273,000 miles on it. It does surprisingly well even with the 4-speed transmission and 373 gears until I get around 10,000 feet. Then it can only go about 30 mph.
I hope you get a chance with a ram hemi with the 3.21 gears to keep it as close as possible. I realize the 3.92 gears would tow better, but it wouldn't be a fair comparison.
It seems that the thing that no one ever talks about is repair costs down the road. With twin turbos you're going to have more things to go wrong, and much higher repair costs when that happens. Plus, with two turbos in the way, it's going to cost more to repair other things on the engine, as a tubo may need to be removed just to get to something relatively simple, like a valve cover gasket, alternator, or other things. Engines are hard enough to work on these days with a simple V8 and all the crap that goes on them anyway.
I've towed with lots of LS/LT motors. Love them, great motors, but they do like to rev when towing. I recently got a 7.3L Godzilla and ues it's a giant engine, however it amazes me how much it can move at low RPMs. It will move the same trailer 1k-1500rpm lower then my 6.0L LQ9 1500 silverado. That LQ9 is a beast for what it is but it still likes to rev a bit, less so of course then the 5.3 that truck originally came with. 5.0L Coyote/5.3 chevy with a gentle turbo setup... Little less internal stresses going bigger na/less boost and still have v8 noises... Just saying Heck, even like a 4.0 or 4.8 v8
The difference between a 6.2 and the 3.5 is the 6.2 is just loping along with basically zero stress on its internal parts. The 3.5 is being whipped like a rented mule. I would like to compare the inside of these engines to one another after 100,000 miles? I bet with proper maintenance the 6.2 looks brand new and the 3.5 looks like it’s ready for the scrap heap.
How do you consider the weather conditions? I've towed my 5500 lb travel trailer over 22,000 miles in the western US and my MPG's varied from 6.7 all the way up to 11. Same trailer, same truck. The difference was wind and temperatures. I could be pulling into a headwind one day and be getting low 7's or 6's and be pulling with a tail wind the next day and be getting 11. Thats a 65% spread using the same exact truck and trailer. Makes me wonder how we can really trust what the MPG's are unless the trucks run the loop at the same time.
I’ll take a naturally aspirated V8 all day long! Turbos drink gas especially in town and definitely when towing, so that’s my take on this subject plus turbos only are good in elevations above 3000 feet because of the thinner air
Great video! What kind of fuel were you running? I’ve read the 6.2 requires premium. If it was premium vs regular in the ecoboost, I think that is worth noting. I run regular in my ecoboost except when towing heavy.
About the EcoBoost not working hard because is going at 3000 rpm: engines not only work hard because rpm, they work hard too because torque. In forced induction engines, rpm are subjective because they can be working really hard and people don't perceive it (it's a boost(torque) vs rpm thing, to get horsepower and power density in that moment), so, because displacement, the 6.2, in reality, could be working more relax (lower pressures and lower internal temperatures), and that's why big displacement engines get better fuel efficiency when loaded, not so much enrichment and the ignition timing more advanced. Greetings from Costa Rica. (Edit: 12:55 a Land Cruiser 70 series in Canada, that's amazing, really good cars: 129hp from a 4.2 l engine (1HZ), not good fuel consumption, but that engines lasts, here in my country, with really hilly terrain, and working as ambulances, around 850 000 km (around 30 000 hours) (speaking about power density vs durability).
Very nice looking truck. I would be concerned with the reliability of a GM product. Does the 6.2L have the same lifter issues? Can you permanently turn off the fuel management system. The transmission in the half tons is definitely a concern. Reports say that they may not last much more than 100,000 miles. If you’re towing a lot an HD with a 6.6 may be a better option.
yes the 6.2 has all the lifter and afm issues. but you can permanently delete them, which also fixes the lifter issues. theres a software off button and a more effective hardware (also expensive because it requires heads removed) solution that solves the afm and other reliability issues. recent report of a class action against gm for selling a known bad transmission (exactly the one from this truck) so there might be a solution to that too soon
Owning a 17 HC with the 6.2 I'd never go to anything less. It out performs MPG over the competition and it just sounds fantastic. The baby Duramax maybe the next purchase in the blacked out HC. Cheers
Should do a test vs LZ0 3.0L Duramax (305 hp / 495 ft-lbs). Won't be the fastest, but will destroy the others on comfortable / confident towing and fuel economy.
Just curious if you used the recommended 91 octane fuel in this test and in the other other tests where 91 or higher is recommended for towing. Also isn't 91 recommended for the 6.2 to achieve those 420/460 numbers in general?
2.7 on premium fuel does wonders. So much low end tq. Got 16.3mpg towing my 5500lb load (car on trailer) 360 miles. Roads were mostly flat, but it's nice to see what it gets with no giant hills or mountains lol
Comparing turbocharged to na and saying one works less than the other cause the rpm is lower in the case of the turbo engine really isnt correct. Its buring more fuel than the NA, heigher cylinder pressure due to taking in boosted air. Its working just as hard if not harder.
How good is all that high RPM driving on an engine. That’s exactly why I switched to Eco boost many years ago and will never go back to naturally aspirated
Displacement vs forced induction I personally would use the 3.5 if I was up in the mountains because the turbos can suck in more air where the 6.2 is na so it will start to lose power higher up.
An interesting thing on the lifter discussion is the issue seems to be less frequent on on the Camaro and Corvette than on the trucks and SUVs. I'm not saying it *never* happens to the cars but it shows up a much larger problem on truck-focused videos and forums. Similar with the HEMIs, lifter failures don't seem to show up on the Charger (aside from the Pursuit) or Challenger nearly as often as the Rams. I know there is a big sales volume difference but it still doesn't seem proportional. I don't know if it's from driving style, or oil recommendations or if the engines are tuned slightly differently or just coincidence.
Are you running premium fuel in all the trucks? Because that would explain why the 3.5L Ecoboost accelerate faster despite the lower HP rating. That rating is on 87 octane, and the Ecoboosts seem to pick up 35-40 rwhp switching to 93. Its not weird to see the 3.5L making 360 whp on the dyno.
No way. I have the same exact truck, except I have the Z71 package with a 3.23 rear axle ratio. In my experience, naturally aspirated engines get worse MPG city and can even sometimes get better MPG on the highway. My 6.2L averages 13-14 city and 20-24 Highway (70-85 MPH)
@@johncotter9082On paper maybe but not entirely true. The coyote is a NA engine, but it's actually a very complicated modern engine. I think there's a lot of luck involved in engine life.
With my experience with Chevy V8’s, I’d take my chances on the TwinTurbo eco-boost! At least I don’t have to worry about major engine issues, such as lifters and cams and the entire engine needing replaced after metal shavings run through it!!! I might even prefer the Ram Hurricane over the GM junk V8’s! All newer GM V8 engines will experience a major failure of cams/lifters.
Funny I've owned over 30 gm trucks for my work fleet and personal truck and have never had one problem. To bad we have trolls like you to over blow something that's just not that true. Hopefully you and the trolls can get a life.
The same people who are selling the 10-speed transmission as the reason you don't have to worry about what gears are behind it, who are also the people who make it so you can only buy whatever final drive is consistent with all your other options, according to them; this is a business where trying to get a sunroof means buying another engine, transmission, a "convenience group" that's like power dildo seats and a chest-mounted ashtray, and all of this not because it takes all of that to put a sunroof in a car but because someone insists they aren't going to sell you the car you want. Pretty frustrating. Jack Nicholson in Five Easy Pieces, and the weird part is, unlike the movie, no diner is going to refuse to sell you toast. But a car dealer? They can hold the chicken between their knees....
Alex you are still going on about the v8 and that glorious sound.....but....wait....ah,yes the 3.5 Eco from Ford still the winner where towing performance is concerned 😂
Not really…it barely beat the 6.2 while almost using 2 more mpg’s. Those 2 miles per gallon difference will add up over time. Also, the 6.2 will be more reliable over time.
Love your content and I have a genuine question. Why do you care so much about the RPM? That seems to be what your basing your ranking off of. If the 6.2 towed just as well from a performance standpoint, which it seemed to do, and it blew the 3.5 eco out of the water with MPG how is the Ecoboost the better towing engine? The transmission stayed much cooler, significantly better MPG (30%) and handled the same load with ease ... I'm confused.
@@jghall00 I understand what you're saying about RPM's and wear... however, I could see that playing with two V8's, or two Turbo 6's but these two specific engines are designed to operate a certain way. If the duty cycle allows for 3,500 RPM in the 6.2, which does this RPM at much less oil and transmission temp and 3,000 RPM in the ecoboost I don't quite follow knocking the 6.2 for it. 30% more fuel efficiency when towing is huge!
@@fightnfire498 I would need to see that number calculated. The Ecoboost does get worse mpg when towing, but I've never seen it quoted at 30%. That's like ICE vs diesel difference. Also, many automotive journalists leave the Ecoboost to shift and it will automatically select the top gear. This makes mpg worse by increasing boost. Better off letter the engine rev a bit more.
I'm familiar with letting it rev too but then the Chevy would have been similar RPM with better temperatures and still better MPG. The 30% is just the difference between the shown 5.8 and 7.6, That's similar to what I see with those vehicles towing.
6.2 L V8 is hindered by cooling, Elevation and ambient temperature . These factors are a “”Mother” my Brother! Bigger engines leave less room for cooling. But require more cooling!! I believe those max towing #s are at sea level. Transmission coolers?
I am digging the exterior acceleration shots!
Solid numbers,long live V8!
Thanks for the great tow comparison videos. I would really love to see the Tundra with 5.7l v8 added to your test group.
Love to see this test with GM's 3.0 LZO
Same here!
Ditto! Hope he can pull the same trailer for an apples to apples towing comparison. Great half ton tests but missing the one I most want to see.
Love to see this same test with the 3.0 duramax
I had the 3.0 Duramax at 22,000. I got an engine light for low boost so I got rid of it not taking any chances
Hell, I'd even be happy to see the LM2 3.0 run against these.
I have a very similar package 2024 Silverado RST, True North Edition with the Max trailer package and the 6.2. I love it, pulls trailers so well and like it was mentioned the fuel economy is quite reasonable. I gotta say as well that the sound (especially in sport mode when it opens up the exhaust) sound like very few other vehicles on the road. Very happy driving mine around the Fredericton, NB area as well. No truck package is the "best" out there though, it's all about getting what works best for your situation. Love the channel, keep up the amazing work, one of the reasons I bought my truck in the first place was do to the research I did including your videos.
Id love to see the 3.0 duramax in the mix, I have a 2014 ecodiesel, wuth all the bad press i love it. I don't tow heavy often. Plan to in retirment, travel trailer, trying to pick the right truck for performance and fuel mileage. Maybe 3/4 ton who knows. Love the vid's keep'er goin bud. 😊
No doubt the 6.2 is a bit behind on power. I have my 2016 Denali 6.2 that’s still going strong at 237k. I replaced it with a 3.0 duramax for tow duty and so far I’m blown away at the performance and mileage I get. To give credit where it’s due the 3.5 EB is one stout little engine for sure.
Had a GMC 2013 6.2. The thing was a towing beast. Even though it only had a six speed. Can't remember the gear ratio.
I had nine to ten thousand pounds behind her screaming up the steepest grades in the rockies at 100kph/60 mph.
It was maxed out but never complained. Good truck. I'll bet it's still going strong.
Is your oil 0w20? I've read mixed opinions on the recommended 0w20 vs people going with 5w30. I have a 2017 6.2L and I've been using 0w20 as recommended.
I've been using 5w30 in summer & 0w30 in winter. Sounds much better to me.
Best truck review videos anywhere. Thank you for making these. May I suggest to add payload information? I find that with the half-ton trucks that is more limiting than the tow rating.
I have the exact same truck and I love it. It’s fun to drive it’s comfortable. And believe it or not… going to Columbus and back from Cleveland using cruise control most of the time I get 24.4-24.7 mpg every trip.
Clean video. I like how you put up all the comparison numbers. Very cool. I’m subscribed now
Been waiting on this one
Excellent channel. You should note the converter state when towing up the hills. If unlocked, the converter will create more heat which possibly could explain some of your test data like trans temp and the fuel economy numbers. Maybe use a scan tool to take some data snapshots to see more of what is going on.
Have to find a 3.92 5.7 hemi or a 3.0 hurricane to test against these. Looking forward to it!
My 2017 6.2 pulls stuff great, how it pulls reminds me of my old c2500 with a 454, can pull a full size skidsteer pretty easily, trailer weighed in around 3k-3.5k and the skid was damn near 11k and it handled it better than you would think despite overloading it, and I live in Colorado and pulled hills with it quite often. It's an amazing engine. You can see why GM used the foundation of the hotrod 6.2 for their HD gasser engine the 6.6
The 8 speed transmission however does not hold up with that type of use (obviously, I was pushing the truck hard), hope the 10 speeds are better.
The 3.5 is definitely pulls like a boss, but you are right Alex, it doesn’t have that wonderful sound. My issue with the 6.2….dynamic fuel management 👎💩
I know turbos always bring more complexity to the table, but I don’t know if i could bring myself to buy a v8 with any cylinder deactivation system. I have a 2019 tahoe for my company vehicle with 5.3 and I absolutely hate the afm.
However great video!
The ecoboost pulls a trailer so well! It's on another level BUT I completely agree the DFM would make me think twice about both the 5.3 and this 6.2L
alex could you do a video on the difference in the cylinder deactivation systems in the ford vs the gm and rams.
If I understood correctly somewhere i heard of ford using a different system that is not quite as unreliable. Could you go in depth with this?
Agree. Had lifters go in an 09 Chevy. Now I’m loving my 3.5 eco boost.
I’m not taking anything away from Any 1/2 ton trucks but this is why I like the tundra max torque @ 2600 rpm 489ft lb for just 3.4L TT and 583 for the 3.4L TT hybrid, also 2600 rpm , I own the tundra and it is just an amazing towing machine it’s very impressive, feels like a diesel
I was considering one the hybrid one what year u have ? Right now it's down to this truck an gmc at4 6.2 an gmc at4x 2500 6.6 duramax
I have the 2024 tundra limited 4x4 built date was 6/2024 , very happy with it .
I had several of the eco-boost and they are hard to beat for towing
You’ve had several or have been through several? I hear engine replacement is a thing if you’re actually using your truck as a work truck.😅
Loved the towing videos nice to see how they perform! Suggestion for when you tow with a desiel is talk about the def consumption!
I saw three of the GM half ton engines on that list. I'd like to see how the 3.0L compares.
Yea and then we can equate for diesel versus gas fuel cost in our area.
Thank you - I am looking for a new truck in the next 6-12 months and want a great all-around ½ ton. I have a one-ton Duramax that is my big puller; however, I want a great all-around ½ ton for everything else, with power and comfort a big consideration. Your videos are very important information about my decision.
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My biggest complaint with all of these small turbo engines is the lack of engine braking. I have had both Fords and now on the Chevy 2.7L. When you are towing, nothing is more important than stopping and keeping the brakes cool on long freeway hills. The manufacturers need to look into exhaust brakes like the diesels have, especially when they are telling customers that a 1500 series is capable of towing 12,000lbs 😮.
I still drive a 2016 Sequoia and tow a 7000+ lb., travel trailer with a family of 6 on board. I can pull every hill here in BC, Canada, doing the spedd limit. Power is not a problem these days.
Do you plan to put the 3.0 Duramax through the same towing test? This is the best towing comparison series on TH-cam by far! Missing the most interesting engine for the half ton class. Awesome work on your part.
Love your videos! What is your elevation for this test? I would think this could effect the competition if you are at a higher elevation. The Turbos will have the advantage at higher elevations.
Love your videos! Great job! Very informative. 👍
They all did well but I will stick with naturally aspirated all day.
simple but they work well!
Exactly, if you want boost just add it to the v8.
@@GettysGarage None of them are "simple" anymore. I wish people would think about how "simple" a turbocharger is, compared to adding components to a reciprocating assembly. The reliance of the turbo on hot exhaust fumes is a challenge in terms of materials and lubrication - and keeping the heat out of the intake air - but it's easy to balance and it only ever moves in one rotation. It's one of the simplest components on a modern engine. Are we any simpler adding two sets of connecting rods, rod bearings, pistons, ring packs, valves, and cylinder walls - all of which are potential failure points? And if fuel efficiency comes down to basically giving and taking away capacity, how's a turbo any worse than cylinder deactivation? Either way there are issues - even with engines that didn't destroy camshafts (like the Honda V6), the deactivated cylinders can have problems with ring sealing. And it's gotten harder to compare apples to apples with production vehicles - but we're always trying to relate performance differences to technology we like or dislike; when the differences are difficult to trace - is it the engine? Or is it the way the transmission was programmed? GM won't let anyone buy a 2.7 turbo with the same 10-speed transmission that's in the V8 trucks; it's an 8-speed that apparently is based on a ZF design (which is widely used in Chryslers). Nobody sells a manual in a full-size pickup. All this talk about how V8s "sound" is also crazy; none of them really sound like classic V8s and the sound is electronically assisted. They could pipe in whatever sounds they wanted to. If they aren't careful with the Atari noises, I'll be trying to pass some gleep who only wakes up when he's being passed, when my "engine" starts playing Ms. Pac Man.
6.2’s are notorious for blowing up and GM doesn’t seem to give a shit. at this point the ecoboost has proven to be more reliable.
I may be indifferent, but with the towing capacities being that close it's not a big difference for me. I don't tow at max load anyways.
I do however tow pretty consistently and I just prefer the way a naturally aspirated engine tows. I don't like driving something with turbo lag and exaggerated torque bands, especially with so many hills around. It's just not as comfortable to me.
6.2 is the best engine GMs makes imo. The issue is that they hide it behind upper tier packages so they force you to pay high dollar if you want it.
I think the L5P is imo bc of no DFM
How does the 3.0 Duramax compare on this loop?
Insurance companies: you hauled with a gasoline !? Not under warranty 😅
Oooh, do a video to explain the International/Maxx force reactions! Gotta be some good stories there!
My ole DT466 served me well 🤷🏼
The 6.2 in 1500’s (iirc) requires premium fuel. It will run just fine on regular, but will pull timing and not make the quoted 420hp.
Maybe that’s why the 400hp in 3.5L beat the theoretical 420hp in the “merge” acceleration test?
Curious to hear your thoughts.
Love the reviews :)
What a beast. Super nice
I’ll be curious to see the 2.7 ecoboost and a Powerboost. I’m sure a Tundra and Ram are in the future too, that’ll be cool to see how they compare.
Hope to see the powerboost on this test some day. I went from the 3.5 ecoboost to the 3.5 powerboost. Powerboost is supposed to have more power but seems questionable to me..maybe the weight...maybe the longer bed and more options.
Do a test run like this with Gen3 tundra I’d like to get your thoughts and opinion on it
Thanks
Are you going to get a chance to tow your trailer with a 3.0 duramax? I'd love to see how that compares
Are you planning on taking the 5.7 hemi and/or the 3.0 hurricane on this tow test?
Hey Cutie, despite being a Ford guy, I quite liked that interior and if I got a GMC/Chevy I’d still get a v8. Also in regard to the highway trucks you passed, as I drove Cat 797s, I call those trucks the “cute little semis” haha
Ford 3.5L reigns supreme over all the others 👏
Imagine if they would fine tune a 5.0 the same way
Engines trash
5 mpg
@@wint_62 you are uneducated .
Had a 2006.5 6.0 sierra 1500hd pre cylinder deactivation. It was no powerhouse and was terribly inneficiant, but stupid reliable. It was an old school v8.
Nowadays, I would get an ecoboost, over the cylinder deactivating v8s. The ecoboosts are superfun to drive, and alot of the bugs have been worked out of them by now, and they don't have lifters to eat.
One of my work trucks is a 21 gmc 1500 5.3, it starts rough from time to time, and the thing is noticeably eating oil at 140 000kms.
Would love to see this same test with the 3.0 Duramax LZ0
“The flame that burns Twice as bright burns half as long.”
― Lao Tzu, Te-Tao Ching
Eat Gas….
I believe that quote is actually from Dr. Tyrell in Blade Runner.
Quotes that help the GM boys sleep at night.
Except the Ford can have a 36 gallon tank whereas the GM 24 gallons is it. You may spend a little more towing but you won’t have range issues and there will be less drama. Not every case puts the ecoboost at 5.8 mpg while towing. I’ve actually never had that experience but never isolated towing a grade specifically.
@@JsGarage I've never experienced 5.8 mpg when towing either
Crushed this view
Alex, do you have a video on what happens during a normal drive (not towing) with afm/cylinder deactivation? I’m very interested in a naturally aspirated v8, but do wonder how often I’d be driving with all 8 cylinders when not towing.
BTW, Internationals carry a Trash-force engine not a "Maxx"force engine.
That being said, I think you should check out the new S13 powertrain they brought over from Scania & do a video on it. would love to hear your input!
are you going to do the 2.7 ecoboost?
yes
Love these videos!! Which rpm would you start to get worried climbing with the push rod V8s? (Hemi/gms)
You've built a good group of comparison tests. What grade of fuel did you use?
I remember when the 6.2 was special. Still solid engine but zero power added in 10 years
I have the same truck and I wish it was flex fuel .. I wanna port the heads and get some high flow cat headers and a retune and maybe a cam but idk… but just a retune on my buddies truck really woke it up… it walks right away from my stock one
I’d like to see these tests with both trucks using the same 91 octane fuel
I can tell you I was getting 40 - L/100KM on my F150 Powerboost well towing the same trailer, I tuned it.. I now get 24-27 L / 100 KM
( I have a 4 inch lift and 35 Inch tires )
Livernois tuned?
@@MADAmechanical yes indeed ! Fixed the tranny shifting clunk as well
How does the lift and tires affect the low speed ev performance and mileage? Do you have to baby the throttle more to keep the gas motor from kicking on?
Hey boss I know you’re a HD diesel guy and all but maybe someday you can give us some breakdowns on the midsize trucks?
6.2 was spinning while the eco was spooling
You should put up the 2.7 ecoboost on this course
YES please!
@@freedomisntfree_44 yeah I just got the 2.7 eb please do a 2.7 EcoBoost
@leandyp9107 how do you like it so far? I'm thinking of getting a 21+F-150, not sure which engine to go with. Thinking the 2.7 is probably the best bet. I'm not going to be towing anything, and mostly highway driving./commuting.
Yeah please test the 2.7 ecoboost. Would love to see how it compares to the competition
@@trailrunnah8886 I believe you'll love the 2.7, I certainly love my '21 XLT FX4 for a similar role + a little light towing. I never feel like it's hurting for power. I averaged ~20.3 mpg over a ~9k mile sample covering all uses including the towing and 4 mo/year using heavy 10 ply, load range E soft compound winter tires. (and a bit of spirited driving 😉) ...And it's so QUIET!
See Alex's videos on this channel about the 2.7 Nano if you haven't already. It's built like a tank!
Do this with the Powerboost 😊
I have an 8k pound travel trailer that I pull in the Colorado mountains up to 11,000 feet elevation. What would you choose to tow it? I am currently using my 2001 GMC 1500 with the 5.3L but it has 273,000 miles on it. It does surprisingly well even with the 4-speed transmission and 373 gears until I get around 10,000 feet. Then it can only go about 30 mph.
I hope you get a chance with a ram hemi with the 3.21 gears to keep it as close as possible. I realize the 3.92 gears would tow better, but it wouldn't be a fair comparison.
Hypothetically can you add turbos to this engine? How would it perform?
whens the lz0 tow vid comin
It seems that the thing that no one ever talks about is repair costs down the road.
With twin turbos you're going to have more things to go wrong, and much higher repair costs when that happens. Plus, with two turbos in the way, it's going to cost more to repair other things on the engine, as a tubo may need to be removed just to get to something relatively simple, like a valve cover gasket, alternator, or other things. Engines are hard enough to work on these days with a simple V8 and all the crap that goes on them anyway.
Yap
Hoping you can do the ranger an Colorado soon.
Wasn't the 10 speed transmission co-developed between Ford and Chevy? Wonder why the temp diff.
I've towed with lots of LS/LT motors. Love them, great motors, but they do like to rev when towing. I recently got a 7.3L Godzilla and ues it's a giant engine, however it amazes me how much it can move at low RPMs. It will move the same trailer 1k-1500rpm lower then my 6.0L LQ9 1500 silverado. That LQ9 is a beast for what it is but it still likes to rev a bit, less so of course then the 5.3 that truck originally came with.
5.0L Coyote/5.3 chevy with a gentle turbo setup...
Little less internal stresses going bigger na/less boost and still have v8 noises...
Just saying
Heck, even like a 4.0 or 4.8 v8
The difference between a 6.2 and the 3.5 is the 6.2 is just loping along with basically zero stress on its internal parts. The 3.5 is being whipped like a rented mule. I would like to compare the inside of these engines to one another after 100,000 miles? I bet with proper maintenance the 6.2 looks brand new and the 3.5 looks like it’s ready for the scrap heap.
Did you watch the video? The 3.5 wasn't working hard at all.
Pulled 8600lbs with the 5.0 coyote up 7% grade was at 4900 rpms up that hill. Enclosed trailer. 60 mph btw....
How do you consider the weather conditions? I've towed my 5500 lb travel trailer over 22,000 miles in the western US and my MPG's varied from 6.7 all the way up to 11. Same trailer, same truck. The difference was wind and temperatures. I could be pulling into a headwind one day and be getting low 7's or 6's and be pulling with a tail wind the next day and be getting 11. Thats a 65% spread using the same exact truck and trailer.
Makes me wonder how we can really trust what the MPG's are unless the trucks run the loop at the same time.
Any Titan XD comparisons? Yeah yeah I know it’s leaving but the price is thousands less and you can find major discounts.
The best V8 out there since the 57 Toyota motor with retired
You'd have to be a little crazy to want to buy a Nissan... There's a reason why they don't sell and why they're so cheap
Had a choice between a 5.3 and a 6.2 ended up getting the 5.3 because it was 10k cheaper and i didn’t need to pull that much extra. Also fuel cost lol
I’ll take a naturally aspirated V8 all day long! Turbos drink gas especially in town and definitely when towing, so that’s my take on this subject plus turbos only are good in elevations above 3000 feet because of the thinner air
Great video! What kind of fuel were you running? I’ve read the 6.2 requires premium. If it was premium vs regular in the ecoboost, I think that is worth noting. I run regular in my ecoboost except when towing heavy.
6.2 recommends premium doesn’t require.
About the EcoBoost not working hard because is going at 3000 rpm: engines not only work hard because rpm, they work hard too because torque. In forced induction engines, rpm are subjective because they can be working really hard and people don't perceive it (it's a boost(torque) vs rpm thing, to get horsepower and power density in that moment), so, because displacement, the 6.2, in reality, could be working more relax (lower pressures and lower internal temperatures), and that's why big displacement engines get better fuel efficiency when loaded, not so much enrichment and the ignition timing more advanced. Greetings from Costa Rica. (Edit: 12:55 a Land Cruiser 70 series in Canada, that's amazing, really good cars: 129hp from a 4.2 l engine (1HZ), not good fuel consumption, but that engines lasts, here in my country, with really hilly terrain, and working as ambulances, around 850 000 km (around 30 000 hours) (speaking about power density vs durability).
Are you going to run the 5.7 hemi on the same test
Very nice looking truck. I would be concerned with the reliability of a GM product. Does the 6.2L have the same lifter issues? Can you permanently turn off the fuel management system. The transmission in the half tons is definitely a concern. Reports say that they may not last much more than 100,000 miles. If you’re towing a lot an HD with a 6.6 may be a better option.
yes the 6.2 has all the lifter and afm issues. but you can permanently delete them, which also fixes the lifter issues. theres a software off button and a more effective hardware (also expensive because it requires heads removed) solution that solves the afm and other reliability issues. recent report of a class action against gm for selling a known bad transmission (exactly the one from this truck) so there might be a solution to that too soon
Owning a 17 HC with the 6.2 I'd never go to anything less. It out performs MPG over the competition and it just sounds fantastic. The baby Duramax maybe the next purchase in the blacked out HC. Cheers
Dont say TRUMP TH-cam will banned you! 😂
@@robertyoung8289 🤣
Do you use premium gasoline?
@@robertyoung8289 Yes since new and use Amsoil SS
This is why you need to use premium fuel in the eco boost when towing.
Should do a test vs LZ0 3.0L Duramax (305 hp / 495 ft-lbs). Won't be the fastest, but will destroy the others on comfortable / confident towing and fuel economy.
Just curious if you used the recommended 91 octane fuel in this test and in the other other tests where 91 or higher is recommended for towing. Also isn't 91 recommended for the 6.2 to achieve those 420/460 numbers in general?
91 octane was used!
What was outside air temp and baro pressure . This can make a big difference as well .
2.7 on premium fuel does wonders. So much low end tq. Got 16.3mpg towing my 5500lb load (car on trailer) 360 miles. Roads were mostly flat, but it's nice to see what it gets with no giant hills or mountains lol
The 2.7 ecoboost or 2.7 turbomax?
@@silverrick90 ecoboost
Comparing turbocharged to na and saying one works less than the other cause the rpm is lower in the case of the turbo engine really isnt correct. Its buring more fuel than the NA, heigher cylinder pressure due to taking in boosted air. Its working just as hard if not harder.
We need to see if the Powerboost does better or worse then the 3.5 Ecoboost. Perhaps better if warmed up.
How good is all that high RPM driving on an engine. That’s exactly why I switched to Eco boost many years ago and will never go back to naturally aspirated
The 3.5L Ecoboost pulls hard and heavy no doubt about it.
Displacement vs forced induction I personally would use the 3.5 if I was up in the mountains because the turbos can suck in more air where the 6.2 is na so it will start to lose power higher up.
An interesting thing on the lifter discussion is the issue seems to be less frequent on on the Camaro and Corvette than on the trucks and SUVs. I'm not saying it *never* happens to the cars but it shows up a much larger problem on truck-focused videos and forums. Similar with the HEMIs, lifter failures don't seem to show up on the Charger (aside from the Pursuit) or Challenger nearly as often as the Rams. I know there is a big sales volume difference but it still doesn't seem proportional. I don't know if it's from driving style, or oil recommendations or if the engines are tuned slightly differently or just coincidence.
One theory is that idiling time has a lot to do withe lifter failures. The idea is that truck and pursuit vehicles spend more time idiling.
Are you running premium fuel in all the trucks? Because that would explain why the 3.5L Ecoboost accelerate faster despite the lower HP rating. That rating is on 87 octane, and the Ecoboosts seem to pick up 35-40 rwhp switching to 93. Its not weird to see the 3.5L making 360 whp on the dyno.
Where in Canada is this?
New Brunswick
How can the N/A V8 feel like it has instant TQ compared to Ford, when the peak TQ of the V6 comes way earlier in THE RPM range?
GM and their 24 gallon tank size is one of the biggest buzzkills for towing with their trucks IMO. Not even just towing but unladen range too.
Yeah I have a 3.5 with a 36 gallon tank i get well over 600 miles per tank usually it hurts a bit to fill up tho
No way. I have the same exact truck, except I have the Z71 package with a 3.23 rear axle ratio. In my experience, naturally aspirated engines get worse MPG city and can even sometimes get better MPG on the highway. My 6.2L averages 13-14 city and 20-24 Highway (70-85 MPH)
the turbo engines with any load on them become fuel guzzlers. where the N/A engines seem to be more consistent lol
NA V8s are much more reliable and last much longer if maintained.
@@johncotter9082 Not GM's 6.2 or 5.3.
@@johncotter9082 bla bla bla lol
@@johncotter9082On paper maybe but not entirely true. The coyote is a NA engine, but it's actually a very complicated modern engine. I think there's a lot of luck involved in engine life.
Gears make a difference on where it revs at
Why no Tundra?
Some really cool shots in this video!
oh why thank you
witch one will last longer 6.2 or 3.5 ???
The 3.5 for sure. GM 's 6.2 and 5.3 have terrible reliability. Cam and lifters is a $5000 fix.
@@benjaminwaynebyou must not know much about the ecoboom. Timing chains, cam phasers, turbos, coolant leaks
@@Billybob50119 I'm a tech for a Police fleet with over 250 vehicles, GM's 5.3 and the 5.7 Hemi are far less reliable than Ford's 3.5.
With my experience with Chevy V8’s, I’d take my chances on the TwinTurbo eco-boost! At least I don’t have to worry about major engine issues, such as lifters and cams and the entire engine needing replaced after metal shavings run through it!!! I might even prefer the Ram Hurricane over the GM junk V8’s! All newer GM V8 engines will experience a major failure of cams/lifters.
Ecocrap
@@joshtaylor1416hate the EcoBoost too! Our only hope is the Hurricane at this point because everything else is 💩 for reliability!
@@hahaadventures4838 they’ll be the same lol
yes the lifters in these V8's are something to be aware of.
Funny I've owned over 30 gm trucks for my work fleet and personal truck and have never had one problem. To bad we have trolls like you to over blow something that's just not that true. Hopefully you and the trolls can get a life.
Holy crap it should have 373 Gears in there Who is setting up these Trucks
The same people who are selling the 10-speed transmission as the reason you don't have to worry about what gears are behind it, who are also the people who make it so you can only buy whatever final drive is consistent with all your other options, according to them; this is a business where trying to get a sunroof means buying another engine, transmission, a "convenience group" that's like power dildo seats and a chest-mounted ashtray, and all of this not because it takes all of that to put a sunroof in a car but because someone insists they aren't going to sell you the car you want. Pretty frustrating. Jack Nicholson in Five Easy Pieces, and the weird part is, unlike the movie, no diner is going to refuse to sell you toast. But a car dealer? They can hold the chicken between their knees....
Alex you are still going on about the v8 and that glorious sound.....but....wait....ah,yes the 3.5 Eco from Ford still the winner where towing performance is concerned 😂
Not really…it barely beat the 6.2 while almost using 2 more mpg’s. Those 2 miles per gallon difference will add up over time. Also, the 6.2 will be more reliable over time.
@javilink7 it may have barely beat it but it's almost 1/2 it's displacement .😊
@@jasonbrushett2005 turbo vs NA isnt always a fair equivalent, toss a turbo on the 6.2 bye bye 3.5
@@ct0245 again ,3.5 is a towing beast
@@ct02457.3 godzilla
To those who claim otherwise, sound does matter.
I miss the good old cubic inch days. More precise form of measurement over a liter as well.
Love your content and I have a genuine question. Why do you care so much about the RPM? That seems to be what your basing your ranking off of. If the 6.2 towed just as well from a performance standpoint, which it seemed to do, and it blew the 3.5 eco out of the water with MPG how is the Ecoboost the better towing engine? The transmission stayed much cooler, significantly better MPG (30%) and handled the same load with ease ... I'm confused.
Every rotation takes life off the engine. Low RPM > high RPM for longevity. Plus no one wants to hear the engine screaming going up a grade.
@@jghall00 I understand what you're saying about RPM's and wear... however, I could see that playing with two V8's, or two Turbo 6's but these two specific engines are designed to operate a certain way. If the duty cycle allows for 3,500 RPM in the 6.2, which does this RPM at much less oil and transmission temp and 3,000 RPM in the ecoboost I don't quite follow knocking the 6.2 for it. 30% more fuel efficiency when towing is huge!
@@fightnfire498 I would need to see that number calculated. The Ecoboost does get worse mpg when towing, but I've never seen it quoted at 30%. That's like ICE vs diesel difference. Also, many automotive journalists leave the Ecoboost to shift and it will automatically select the top gear. This makes mpg worse by increasing boost. Better off letter the engine rev a bit more.
I'm familiar with letting it rev too but then the Chevy would have been similar RPM with better temperatures and still better MPG. The 30% is just the difference between the shown 5.8 and 7.6, That's similar to what I see with those vehicles towing.
6.2 L V8 is hindered by cooling, Elevation and ambient temperature . These factors are a “”Mother” my Brother!
Bigger engines leave less room for cooling. But require more cooling!!
I believe those max towing #s are at sea level. Transmission coolers?