Ten Hag's 3-4-3 Diamond Tactic Explained
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- Erik ten Hag experimented with a 3-4-3 formation during Manchester United's win over Real Sociedad, here's why I'm excited about the potential for this tactic at Man Utd and why ten Hag's latest tactical innovation at Man United may owe something to managerial greats like Marcelo Biesla and Johan Cruyff! Let me know what you think in the comments below, would you like to see more of the 'Cruyff Diamond' at Manchester United this season?
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Ten Hag for the first time unleashed the Cruyff Diamond as United chased the game in the second half against Real Sociedad, a very attacking and adventurous tactical tweak that raised eyebrows and didn't appear to work, garnering a lot of questions about why he opted for this tactic and whether we could see it again in future.
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Steve's enthusiasm as a manager resonates in these videos so much.. Can't wait to see Stretford Paddock playing in the Premier League one day..🤟🏻🤟🏻🎊🍾
I think ten Haag has earned the right to try a few things
If nothing else it shows how much we need a striker. Having Harry Maguire up top was sad
He is the manager and a coach by virtue of having that role he is entitled to try whatever he deems fit to get the best result.
@@daymiondayski9700 you wouldn't have said that had he scored
@@thrilla72 no I wouldn't. I'd be calling ten hag a fucking genius. But did he score?
@@daymiondayski9700 My point being, you win some you lose some. Next time it might save the day. Playing that extra fixture may end up being a good thing. Maybe it will be a great match.
I absolutely love this type of analysis. Give you sooo much more insight into what is actually happening. And it potentially shuts up the ‘armchair’ watchers who criticise every move made. Keep up this insight Ste….love it
Very interesting analysis Ste and as you rightly say it takes time. It’s taken us a couple of months to look comfortable using Ten Hag’s normal system so something like this was definitely worth a go in the circumstances. Nothing lost, and in future as we improve it will give us a very interesting option.
Exactly, great to see a manager trying something positive
@@StephenHowson It's a fascinating formation. If u didn't know, Ten Hag actually used this formation quite a bit during his time at Ajax, and it would be Edson Alvarez as that no6 who would shuffle as an extra CB occasionally. I'm optimistic that we will use this formation frequently in future, if we are in desperate need for another goal. Great video as always.
Ste..been watching your channel for sometimes now. You absolutely nailed it with all points and facts on our club and gameplay. 😁
Cool that MU has arranged 2 friendly ties with solid Spanish sides during WC.
Great opportunity to teach squad players of EtH ways so they could be all interchangable. Also good time to experiment with formations
There will be first team players that also will not be at the world cup.
Chuffed for these tactics and strategy videos. It was obvious this simply hadn't been practiced enough by the squad to be comfortable, but here's a different way to look at it:
Did we think, as fans, that ETH was going to get his point across with his main formation and mentality quickly enough to begin implementing a SECONDARY formation before the halfway point of his first season? Yes, it was a gamble, but he made the call, which means he had enough confidence to do it.
That being said (and the most important point): strategically, this was the perfect time in the perfect game to do this. Without a second goal, this could have been a win or a loss; the outcome was meaningless. It gives me a lot of hope for him actually sussing out young players and trying other new things in inconsequential matches, which hasn't necessarily been done by United managers for a while, regularly. This was his first season-match which allowed him to do experimentation (ie, outside of friendlies).
The 3-4-3 move by ETH made my day, and it gives me even more hope for the future. What a bangin manager he is.
3-4-3 Diamond is the PS2 Pro Evo Soccer formation of choice!
If it works he is a genius, else people criticize. But the underlying issue is the club structure this last decade has resulted in sub-optimal squad players. Hopefully things get better in the future and Ten Hag is given all the tools for success.
What we are seeing with the team at the moment is their continued growth and ability to play in Ten Hag's primary formation.
It has taken this long for the first eleven, (plus the likes of McTominay, Lindelhof and Fred) to be playing relatively comfortably in the system. The passes that we watched them buggering up in the early training sessions are already flowing naturally and accurately. Lets not forget we are less than halfway into his first season and we've seen THIS much growth in the quality of play.
We are already seeing the initial benefits of his tactical prowess.
And this is why Ten Hag's plan is going to take time. It's not just about buying X, Y or Z player and everything being great.
There is way more to managing the team than what you do on an EA Sports simulator. Players don't work on a group AI, they need to learn and become used to systems, they will all find some things easier than others, and not always the same things as each other.
We need to be at a state where any player coming in to the first team fits that primary system without breaking the links.
BUT... we also need to develope the squad as a whole to be as comfortable playing in alternative systems, so that when we DO move to something like a 3-4-3, it is as fluid and natural as when playing in the standard system.
That only comes with experience over time.
This is where, after years of development, City is at. And considering they have "The greatest team/manager/etc in the world" Liverpool SHOULD be...
If any current manager is going to get Man United to that level, it's Ten Hag.
Thanks for a brilliant explanation of the 3 4 3 formation Stev👍👍
Can you imagine EtH explaining this to Maguire, the look of utter confusion & panic on Harry's face would be hysterical👍👍
I love that we're seeing some experimentation and not just settling on the same formations and configurations we've defaulted to for years. It's great to see us trying this more 'out there' approach (even if it is a historic Cruyff idea), I think the football world in general has become a bit too safe and unwilling to go beyond the well known and established setups in a way. Still a very weirdly hostile reaction to anyone suggesting flexibility in certain positions, way too much "he can't play there". In a way this formation/setup is in and of itself a refutation of that limiting mentality, because it's creating scenarios where adjacent players are filling in for eachother on the fly, lots of shifting and covering.
Keep doing your thing Steve. Great content brother 👌🏼
Great vid ! Great storytelling!
I didn't know much about Ten Hags style before he was announced as out manager. But he's absolutely blown me away. Not just with the football he's trying to get us to play and seemingly slowly succeeding at but also his man management and standards he's brought back to the club. Absolutely love him and hope he brings glory back to the reds. Love the video Ste keep it up
Outstanding video mate!
Absolutely brilliant video Ste. Very enlightening. Thanks for all the great content.........
Great video man, ste knows his Football 👊🏾
Hey Steve, the way you discribe football is really fascinating
Love watching your video
Understanding the game better
Love your work with the paddock team.
Love those videos too.
Keep it up
Your the best! Cheers Ste!
Absolute class video. Underrated
Very interesting and educational video. I have not watched many of him, but everyone always talks good about Johan Cruyff. I was curious in learning something more about him as a coach/player, thank you!
I love the fact that not only do we finally have a genuine football brain as the manager, we have a manager that was was highly influenced by Johan Cruyff and total football. You can see how's he transformed United into a team that's hard to beat and hasn't been conceding goals, plus creating lot's of chances. Plus he seems as obsessive as Pep and Klopp. The board just needs to back him and get him the players he needs.
I love trying new ideas and formations... i just think we changed to early.
best video yet. Would be awesome if you could do one super technical long form video when your up for it about tactics, books, miscellaneous ect.
I’d argue Rinus Michels is that single most influential mind, he developed total football, it was he who developed Cruyff as player tactically and influenced his philosophy, Van Gaal too though cruyff wanted minimal and freedom van Gaal demanded follow instruction, both students of michels, I’d say Pep is the perfect combination of both men.
I was recommended his book "team building" road to success.
Ive only read a couple of chapters but the guy is a genius.
Rinus Michels did not develop total football he brought it to a new era. Characters like Jimmy Hogan, Hugo Meisl and Jack Reynolds pioneered the concept of total football. Rinus Michels added a passing and aggressive attacking press to the game and developed the Dutch style of total football.
Cruijff brought the concept to the modern game that the likes of Barcelona and Spain went on to be called Tiki Taki.
One of Ollys most exciting games year before last in the europa using the diamond it was magic but he reverted to 4231 next game :(
Please do try the 3-4-3 formation at your club. I do feel most clubs today don't try to be more adventurous and take risk. Should do a video of you training your team to the system.
I'm glad someone is open to highlight tactical gameplans. What most people don't realize is that tactics and formations mainly fails because of personell or players abilities to follow a tactical game plan. The tactic wasn't wrong, it was that the players failed to follow instructions properly.
Can't wait to see him adjust tomorrow playing Iqbal with Casemiro and Eriksen.
We need an entire squad to play how Ten Hag wants to play regardless of the system he uses. As we speak we don’t have that. We only have around 9 players who I would say fits into his system.
I was a bit fascinated with Bakero in that Barca team when we had them in the CL groups. He was one of the best examples of a one- and two-touch player, and I think one of the reasons I was so taken by Scholes when he emerged is that I felt he was Bakero MkII. Tidy, technical, good shot, intelligent runs, small but great header of the ball. Laudrup was genius, but Bakero made things look so simple, and it was mesmeric.
Txiki Begiristan was a tricky winger being played in midfield. Another reason why that side was so attacking.
I was in the stadium, the tactic nearly worked, and it certainly didn't feel like the work rate dropped but Sociedad channeled their inner Atletico and just killed time at every opportunity. Dalot and Martinez were fantastic and De Gea with a top top double save, Sorloth "Shotgun" was shut out all game
If anything they did the exact opposite. They really outplay us in the 2nd half except for the last 5 min.
And dont know if u were watching the match, but they didnt waste time as u would expect most sides do.
@@peace4045 they dropped to the floor every 3 minutes and stayed down for 3 minutes, during the sub of I think their number 9 he litterally took 5 minutes to walk off the pitch and got booked for it
@@JayRoper dont lie... they dont drop every 3 min and the sub took long but not 5min. Stop lying.
@@peace4045 the ball was in play 20 mins in the second half so your wrong
@@chrisryan8868 please give me reference where u get ur fact. And tell me what that got to do anything with my argument.
Good job
Pep did this with Fernandinho many years ago it was very interesting at the time didn’t fully understand it until now. Cheers
Pep was raised with total football as a player and as a coach.
Fantastic video to be honest it annoys me when people say eth considers pep as his mentor when it is not true. Yes he has learnt certain things from pep but eth idol is Johann Cruyff people should actually listen when he has those one on one interviews iso assuming things. Loved your video it is refreshing that we have a manager that has tactical acumen and is prepared to try different things
I have a feeling Ten Hag wanted to unleash against a Spanish team because he expected them to react technically to a system change and in a game where technically draw or lose did not have that much of an impact
At the systems base it is 4-3-3 and is part of the dutch system of football meaning it is flexible hence why you will see 4 midfield players as either a forward player drops back or a defender pushes up. The system can also go 5-2-3
I think that second half was Eriks first blunder since being here. It felt like it took all our sting away. Lack of fire power didn't help what so ever. Wouldn't mind seeing it again when we have those extra options, Think Sancho in a diamond could be solid.
They won and it is not always possible to win by a margin that you want. It was not a blunder it simply was hard to achieve.
I understand for the most part what he was tryna do..But the reality was that we never looked comfortable from the second with switched up formation. I'd have much preferred to bring HM on for Lindey and keep a back 4 for the majority of the 2nd half then in the last 10 mins, stick Harry up top win headers.
ETH used this at Ajax whenever he was chasing a game
Once Ten Hag has fully acclimatized to the league. I see him tactically out doing Pep, Ten Hag is more fluid in his system Also, not many people know this but Wenger was influenced by Ajax of the 70s, the way they would get numbers in the attacking areas and try to pass it into the goal is similar to Ten Hag ball once he has the players.
Something I might try in football manager…interesting
343 diamond is something Van Gaal played in his first season at united really suprised Howson hasn’t picked up on that
Think one of the midfielders need to be fulback capable. See Cancelo at City. City often play a variation of 3-4-3 (sometimes a diamond, sometimes a box) but it's Cancelo who is typically in Eriksen's spot in that graphic
Great video pal. Very good tactical talk. However, just to pull you up on a common mistake when talking about total football. It wasn’t invented by Rinus Michels, it was in fact created by an Ajax manager by the name of Jack Reynolds who was an English manager
Might try this in new Football Manager Save.
Ste can you do a video about the upcoming friendlies pls
I’m all for the manager trying new things but putting Maguire upfront for 15 mins seems abit too far 😂
If he had a better player in with the physical appearance of Maguire that can head the ball well he would NOT have used Maguire for that specific role at that moment. Just my humble opinion though.☺️
Regardless it was still stupid it the aim of just putting someone tall who can head the ball upfront surely you would just move mctominay forward ?
It does make sense though because Real Sociedad's strength is their midfield and ten Hag is deliberately trying to bypass the press by going long. If we signed a proper Targetman, it would have worked because the balls are reaching maguire but the question is the follow up
@@dadajulius6489 a Fellani
Exactly. A "hail Mary" like that, needs to be in the last 5-10 mins. 😉
Statmam Dave mentioned that he used this system at Ajax to chase games.
It was good to experiment in a 'nothing to lose' game, could be a useful system. My only problem with the last match was the last 10 minutes.... not 1 cross came in from wide. No attempts to get down the line, even a corner in injury time with everyone in the box. It was played short to Fred and went back to the half way line... I'm not slating anyone! I just couldn't get my head around why in a nothing to lose everything to gain match, We had CR7, Rashford, Harry, even Casimiro loading the box and not even a corner...
Im dying for the 433,it worked for Ole in some games.The team had the likes of Matic,Mata,Herrera & even Lingard on the rw.ETH's team are a massive improvement.
Surely the team can cope with the likes of Bournemouth etc.The pace with the likes of Sancho,Antony,Rashford,Martial alone is top banana.
Even the full backs in Shaw & Dalot have massively improved & that missing piece in Casemiro or am i missing summat.
we have played that formation at times
Ten Hag system is 4-3-3 as a foundation and from that the other formations come out in the game as defenders push forward and midfield players drop back and so on. Right now it looks a little bit more rigid but as time goes on it will become more fluid.
Hristo Stoichkov was an incredible striker for Barca, and toasted us too
The game was the most pointless but kinda serious , not quite a friendly sort of game, we were through, so we couldn’t majorly fuck up and be out , wether we play a top team in the next stage or a by to the sage after, the exact same teams would be there to play. It was basically a win win test , yes it would have been nice to get that second goal and have atleast two less games this season, but overall it was with the risk and trial of a different formation
We don't know if the 3-4-3 was just for that game specifically but if it's something that Ten Hag wants to employ on a regular basis then I don't think we've currently got the right personnel to play that system, certainly not if Ten Hag still wants to maintain the high press as well.
ste, mic is dirty eh
Hope we get two clear goals vs Villa!
I remember Eric pushing that on Sky during his ban for kicking that Palace twat in the teeth. He explained his support for the midfield diamond and demonstrated how the midfield moves towards opposition players in possession and and supports the marking midfielder. And how fluid it was. Fascinating stuff from over 25 years ago - Eric certainly knows his football.
He has use the Europa league to experiment, it can out a few games ago, and I admitted are use this game for an experiment, is he is the young left winger in the last couple of games can I do that’s a bit of an experiment, and you said he’s use a different format as an experiment in this last game is managers got balls😊😊
Lvg played this formation winning the ucl with Ajax
I think an argument can be made that Cruyff is the true GOAT considering what he's done not only as one of the greatest players ever but as manager and revolutionary tactician. Forget ballon d'or, if there was a nobel prize in football it would go to him.
Had fellani been on the bench that would have worked problem with maguire is he has never been used like that and he is pretty limited as a defender. Mctominay would have made more sense being put up front
If only AWB could play out from the back, he would be perfect on that right side of the 3.
TH-camrs making videos on ten hags tactics
Arteta: 👀
Conte:👀
Eddie Howe:👀
He put maquire up front to show the board we need a striker
Everyone just trying to get overloads in midfield :)
Nothing wrong with the system, we just don't have intelligent enough ballers for it yet. Great to see him (EtH) trying out new things, though: didn't work on the night, but I'd like to see it going forward.
It takes time to get a team to play football and it does not always have to be blamed on players. Even introducing new "Better" players does not always mean that it will work faster.
Vic Buckingham is considered to have been a pioneer of the footballing philosophy known as Total Football, later further developed by his protégé Johan Cruyff.
Who the f*ck is Vic Buckingham? It was Rinus Michels who pioneered Total Football in the Netherlands. Brought to Spain by Cruyff and developed by Barcelona.
@@Dazbog373 You are wrong
It just didn’t work. He should’ve stayed with the tactics of the first half, we looked way more dangerous and capable of getting the 2nd until he changed the tactic. Maguire up top was a ridiculous decision imo. I love ETH but he got it wrong that night.
Ronaldo should have scored but he missed and Bruno was poor
if it be someone else he be slaughtered for these tactics
Here we go. 14 minutes of Ste pretending he's the second coming of Cruyff.
get rid of ronaldo
That tactic was awful, I hope we dont use that again
Why was it?
I hate the way they use picks instead of real play so we actually see
Maybe learn a thing or 2 about broadcasting rights