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How Palpatine Survived His Death and Why It Doesn’t Work
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Still enjoyed the movie, I just feel like I needed to say what I was thinking. It was 10x better than The Last Jedi and that's the most important thing, is they took a step in the right direction with this film. Going to do a few more videos on RoS and I just got Jedi Fallen Order and I just started playing through on the hardest difficulty so wish me luck! Hope you're all being safe in quarantine btw! :)
Glad you are putting this out there
It felt odd for me 2
I enjoyed the movie too, but I am still confused about things.
Michael Jae this movie is amazing but I tends to give me the real feels near the end
They need to make more than just 1 or two Jedi like it was in the prequels
I totally agree!
Stay safe!
I think they really got Palps wrong in the Sequels. I always thought Palpatine, while being completely evil and very selfish, always intended to train an apprentice to carry on the legacy of the Sith. That’s what he intended to do with Anakin-until Anakin was horribly maimed. Palpatine then saw Luke, who had the potential to become a great Sith. That’s why he wanted Luke to strike him down. But no...all along he wanted to be the lone Sith?! So then what did he mean when he said to Yoda “Darth Vader will become more powerful than either of us!”
Exactly!
Plus that scene prove Vader was going to be Palpatine heir and even if he dies the Sith would live on through Vader.
bruh ur so right
Exactly, Palps wanted to train a sith to be even more powerful than himself before dying, that’s his goal, but apparently he wanted to be the lone sith, in that case what’s the point of taking Anakin as his apprentice? Dear lord the sequels are even dumber than the worst of fan fiction
No Palpatine wanted "a successor...an equal!" "Someone who would take his place and rule the Galaxy.."
BLASPHEMY THIS SEQUEL TRILOGY IS
Definitely
agree with you i do
You speak wise words master yoda
happen never it did
Canon this trilogy is not
Bringing back Palpatine was arguably the worst thing in the trilogy, aside from poor treatment of Han, Luke, and Leia
Ah yes luck skiewalking
Amen to that, Luke was absolutely ridiculed and it just hurt so bad to watch
I thought Han was done pretty well. It's been awhile since I saw the force awakens tho so maybe there's something I'm not remebering
@@CreepyOwl18 Okay, Han was good, I’ll admit that. But then we have someone names Luke, doing things Luke would never do, and we don’t once see him being the character we once loved. Plus he died in a BS way anyway. And Leia. Obviously with Carry’s passing away they could do with her was limited. But they could have done a far more emotional goodbye to both her and her character.
@@sibsart2039 It is as if disney had made someone in charge who never even watched the original trilogy or hated it. Luke Skywalker was the face of hope, he was our hero. In the sequels he was made a looser who eventually said I was wrong, sorry. Even Mark Hamill said, who is this guy? I demise disney for that, seriously bringing back Palapatine but absolutely ridiculing Luke Skywalker? Surely George Lucas should purchase back Star wars, it would be the only hope that movies 10 - 12 would be saved.
They could've had Kylo Ren be the villain in the rise of Skywalker but they chickened out of that lol
Yeah, they should’ve continued with what TLJ set up for it, they wasted too much time trying to retcon TLJ while doing it’s own thing which played a part in it being such a horrible film, if they followed what TLJ set up than the trilogy would have at least been a consistent trilogy
Yes!! They should've had Kylo be the villian. It would've been poetic
Anakin: the Skywalker that fell to the Dark Side but came back to the Light
Luke: the Skywalker that never fell Dark Side.
Kylo: the Skywalker that started in the Light and fell to the Dark Side but never came back.
One reason Kylo would be a good villan is because of his insane anger issues
@@nyxayde Wow that Depressing.
My biggest problem with ROS is what did we get. We're in the same exact spot at the end of ROJ. Palp died and the Jedi order and the republic ned to be rebuilt. The prequels gave a clear progression of how the empire came to be. But in the sequels nothing changed. Empire's back at the rebels are fighting them. I still don't know why the republic didn't just destroy the First Order when it started forming.
My biggest problem with Rise of Skywalker WAS Rise of Skywalker!
As with the rest of Disney Star Wars movies!
To Me George Lucas made Star Wars with Anakin Skywalker's Rise and fall during episodes 1-6! Anything after is Disney 🗑️!
Of course The Old Republic doesn't come into this! Neither does the Mandolorian or Jedi Knight Series if someone chooses to make them into a movie or series.
@@danielcooke3732 now what about Rogue 1, I'd say that was the only good Disney SW film.
His revival just completely ruins anakins arc and sacrifice
That's the only thing I like about his return. Anakin was just a simp who slaughtered children because he didn't get a promotion. Then he fell into some lava and mutilated himself for life. Now he failed at his redemption as well.
Fuck Vader
Granted.. Palpatine did come back via cloning through legends. But rey pretty much yoinking anakin's arc and sacrifice was very frustrating since she never fought for anything. She just.. Did it.
Doesn't palpatine coming back undermine the whole idea of Anakin being the chosen one? Anakin was supposed to destroy the sith and he did when he turned back and killed palpatine. Palpatine coming back means Anakin wasn't the chosen one. It was a perfect ending, a perfect loop, and this ruins it all.
Yeah but Anakin isn't Rey and Rey is perfect and a strong independent woman who don't need no character arc
@@Bam_1776 lmao
Why couldent they have a brand new villian and a brand new story, not a f..ing remake of the original films??
@@dennisemanuelsson8240 exactly
@@dennisemanuelsson8240 Because JJ is trash at writing/directing
My dad, who doesn't cuss hardly ever, audibly said "what the fuck" when Luke just tossed his/his fathers old lightsaber. I had never seen that man more frustrated at a movie in all my life. He has been a star wars fan since A New Hope, but he was so annoyed when we finished The Last Jedi.
He sensed a great disturbance in the balance of the Star Wars storyline
I applaud anyone that finished that movie.
In my lifetime there are only 2 movies I have ever walked out of.
The first was Pacific Rim (I made it to them using a supertanker as a staff), the other was The Last Jedi (I left at the mom joke).
Now I'll grant... I never even tried to watch Independence Day 2, Pacific Rim 2, or The Rise of Skywalker... so that number may yet go up... but I applaud those that have the stick-to-it-ive-ness to finish TlJ -because I sure lack it.
Screen Name you have great taste
@@screenname8267 Good going wasting at least $12 on a movie ticket. You must've looked like such a badass on your way out! 😂
@@AxelWedstar411
You are aware that you can ask for money back at a movie theater, right?
I think Maz said something that perfectly summorizes the sequel trilogy
"A good question, for another time" -Maz
This applies almost everywhere, "Where tf did you get Lukes lightsaber?" "A good question, for another time"
"How in the hell is palpy alive?" "A good question, for another time"
See, applies to most situations
How is Rey able to heal others using the Force when we haven't ever seen such an ability being used prior to this, and without Rey having hardly any Force training?
"A good question, for another time."
@@Indurok here's the answer.
"sTRonG WoMAn" Rey is a hollow shell of a character purely because they wanted to push and make a woman the protagonist. I'm fine with that. Really I am, but there has been strong female characters in Star Wars for years. Rey however is not a character. She is a tool for women empowerment.
In "Legends" Palpatine returned through a cloning facility that held many clones of him. I feel like Disney took the good idea, but they sped through the movie making it lack way too much.
Yeah. They just got rid of the EU just to put in what they only care to use. That right there is a major misuse of power. The sequels should never have been made, and just had the last part go into the EU. Even though not everybody really cares about it because of it's intense powers. At least it would make better sense though. We wouldn't have to watch that worthless sequel anymore as well.
Not only that but I heard the EU didn’t make Palpatine fricking overpowered. Like he had to really play smart this time instead of using the force and stuff like a normal Sith.
Lacks cohesion
and honestly, even when legends did it, it wasn't that good.
@@dannybeane2069 exactly.
By bringing Darth Sidious back it completely rewrites or writes over the story of the one and only Chosen One Anakin Skywalker fulfilling the prophecy by killing the ultimate Evil in the galaxy and bring him peace and balance back to the force. If you consider the Disney trilogy it completely destroys the chosen one story. And the Sith cannot achieve eternal life it's written in the book Revenge of the Sith novelisation and the comic adaptation as well as it being touched upon in the Clone Wars. They can prolong their lives like Darth Maul did because none of his major internal organs were destroyed. Just like how Darth Sidious can prolong his life by the time we get to return to the Jedi he's into his hundreds and he's still extremely powerful and he's not going anywhere until Anakin fulfills the prophecy. Disney destroys this all!!!
Cool kid
Exactly. Sequel trilogy completely disrespected the lore George Lucas & his team built from original trilogy to prequel trilogy.
@@P.Whitestrake indeed!
Michael what you said about showing your kids star wars really got to me cause my dad was the one to show me star wars and when tfa came out we were so disappointed
I know... I'll never forget what they did to Luke Skywalker!
FYI I'm not that big a fan of him!
More a Han Solo fan.
They butchered Han aswell.... killed by his son I mean that's the worst possible death for a Star Wars Legend!
He was a clone and so was Rey. This entire trilogy is pointless and just a cheap uninspired rehash of a past that did it FAR better. George ACTUALLY HAD a vision for a sequel trilogy. Anything Lucas isn't part of isn't starwars. Plain and simple. Hell he wasn't even at the premiere of the last film in his saga. And THAT says alot. Lucas didn't care and neither do I.
Only canon is ep1 to Ep6, clone wars and "rogue one" gets a pass though. But thats it.
#NOTMYCANON
#Notmystarwars
Lmfao you have an ahsoka pfp from rebels, a show made by disney not Lucas.
@@BenTheGangster rebels did not get a mention from me but Dave Filoni is in charge of that so it gets a pass from me and its implied. Nice try though.🤣
Filoni collabed with george to make mandalorian so I think he's one of the good guys lol
Yeah at least Rogue One did a good job fleshing out parts of 4 in a way that didn't screw up the OT. And I do like the two animated series Clone Wars and Rebels, so there is agreement there as well on Clone Wars. Solo to me wasn't too badly done. While they could have done it better, it wasn't a complete dumBster (yes spelled the way I spelt it) fire like the sequel trilogy. It was fun to see Han and Chewie get together, it was cool to see that Swindler Lando as a young man, it was even cool to see the Kessel Run, it was weird however to see them install a droid as the Navi Comp in the Falcon, and imply it is her, and not Han that is the pilot all along ...
I prefer to think of legends as Canon, unfortunately all those stories are probably not being made anymore
The fact that the mandalorian is trying to tie in with/redeem the sequels hurts, because I enjoy the mandalorian but am trying to keep the sequels out of my head-canon
Actually it’s proving that the sequels take place in a different universe or at least trying to. Dave filoni purposefully put in Asoka to show that she is alive and therefore not able to speak with Rey in TROS. I hope they go through with it but the thing is if they do, there aren’t able to make new ones bc of the loss of Carrie fisher. If george Lucas ever gets a hold of it again which I hope and pray he does then we’ll be saved
@@tangytarn7020 the Mandalorian takes place about 30 years before ROS, so Ahsoka could be dead and Mandalorian takes place in the same universe as canon Star Wars. Everything, including Disney, is canon Star Wars
@@deadpooldan9862 sorry ur right, when I wrote that I was thinking of tfa cuz those are like 5 years apart
@@deadpooldan9862 She would still be just 70, also her species usually lives up to 90 and force users of her species live up to about 200 years old
I haven't seen any evidence of this claim whatsoever.
The thought of someone f**king Palpatine is just.....Ima stop think for a sec
DIO Uchiha lol
Oh that 😣 ... That image though ... 🤮 LOL
I could just imagine palps shouting "UNLIMITED POWERRRR!!!"
@@dj24617 Oh! Oh God 😑😂
How palpatine survived his death: disney magic.
Why it didnt work: disney magic.
AUGH, they brought Wedge back in TROS and now I have to miss it.
if rey can float why did she sink in the sand
She probably forgot because she can’t swim / float - being she’s only been on a sandy planet 🙃 except when she swims in Ep8. Shhhhh
Because as a Skywalker, she hates sand and can’ think properly once it gets everwhere
ha ha, bc idiots are writing this script. same author who created the tv series lost. which also was confusing.
@@cannibalraptor lol
@@cannibalraptor lol
The sequel trilogy in a nutshell: A new hope rehash space chase and palpatine comes back and dies
It's almost as if they had no idea what they were doing lmao
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Luca :)
Thank _you_ for watching them! :D
It doesn’t make sense
Of course not, dude.
They should have stuck with one director for all of the sequel trilogy. If they did that, then they'd actually plan what happens in the next film.
If JJ Abrams did all 3 movies it would’ve been fine, why didn’t that happen?!
@@korrblank1361 Force Awakens was trash and I highly doubt a Jar Jar Abrams' trilogy would've been any good. Better then what we got but that isn't saying much.
it wouldnt have been that good movies but it defenetly would have been better though
@@ExecutiveSonda compared to the other movies it was actually quite good, but rian Johnson also had plans to end the first order over coruscant (which would’ve been fucking sick) so idk
If I remember right, the books from before Disney Star Wars have plot lines about a bunch of clones Palpatine stored on Byss, so this was kind of established before Disney, although just in the EU, not in movie canon. Great video regardless, Episode 9 is definitely just "eh"
EU was cannon back then. However it was a side story and they destroyed all of his Byss cloning abilities and made it obvious that it was Palpatine's final hoorah and he wasn't coming back. The idea of Movie Cannon is a Disney thing not a Lucas thing.
I didnt like the legends future storyline anyway
It was made before the prequels tho. What more, it’s well explain/retconned in the force unleash 2 that force sensitive clones are very very difficult to make.
@@canadianidiot1220 well they did it in legends
no the idea was mocked in the EU for being a bad story, its a bad story now.
Disney really did just fuck up the new films because they wanted a 7-8-9 and to be "smart" about it by having different directors who didn't work together.. ugh.
I think disney thinks they can sell answers in another media anyway thats why they never give anyone all the answers and asked Jarjar Abrams to do the first one.
What they could have done is remove the whole scene of 3PO getting redone and fit in Palps story
Considering the wound that Snoke suffered (identical to Darth Maul) he would not actually be dead, they could have just used Snoke... in fact that wound would likely not kill any human being, it was cauterized closed and didn’t destroy his heart lungs or brain... his liver and stomach are done but not immediately fatal (except from probably shock!)
The best thing Disney did with Star Wars is the shows Dave Filoni should be the chief director for Star Wars like he created me
A lot of people gonna hate you for that, im just saying before the ezra haters come in
@@cursedgrogu7538 I feel like everyone hates the season 1-2 Ezra season 3+ Ezra was sick
@@thicccjabba5149 agreed
I know I might get hate but I wish Ezra came for grogu instead of Luke. It would have been a great return and could have made rebelseven better
@@tangytarn7020 Well Grogu was possibly better off with Luke than with Ezra. Luke was trained by two of the best Jedi. Ezra was trained by someone who never made it past Padawan.
"At an end, your rule is; and too long it was"
Master Yoda - 2020
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I haven't seen ROS yet and the only reason I'm thinking of watching it is to see Wedge again
Its worth a watch
In a good or bad way?
I think in a ohh so that’s how it sucks way y’know?
@@froggygrubert592 yeah that's pretty much why I'd watch it, but I don't want to spend money to watch or have it ruin star wars more for me
It just shows how this trilogy was not designed for me I had four options for this last film.
1 made Kylo the great villain
2Hux together with Ren's knights giving a coup d'état
3 Snoke was returning to the last movie as a clone or his death in 8 was just a trick of the same strength as Luke.
4 In the expanded material from the last Jedi, it says that Snoke has another apprentice besides Kylo, so he could be an apprentice seeking revenge for the dead master
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@@MichaelJaeYT 😃😄
The way he blasts like an entire fleet of ships, took me out of it.
Your right man, rewriting the old trilogy is treason
That’s good.
High Treason even
This is why I love that whole “multiverse” that like superhero movies have, but it’s done in a smaller and simpler way. Someone came up with the thought that the sequels are in another universe where asoka dies during her battle with Vader. Pretty much saying that the spilt off happen there and using the “world between worlds” idea again, which I thought they were never gonna use again, and let me tell you..after watching that video and doing some of my own research, it makes so much sense that the sequels can in fact be in a completely different universe and timeline than the original and it starts at the batter between Vader and Asoka. I’m telling you, if you watch some of the videos covering that theory and do some of your own research, I promise that it will make complete sense and it doesn’t it effect any of the previous movies/shows. I loved that idea and I’m sticking to it, because it really does help fix what Disney destroyed.
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There's definitely something that Disney did that kind of breaks the immersion, The flashback with Luke and Leia. Up until this point I don't think we've ever seen a flashback in the show or films. They were always looking forward, in the form of visions of the future, but never the past. Now that one force ability to see the history of an object is slightly different when it comes to the context it could be used.
I haven't even tried to understand any of this when I was watching the movie haha
There came appoint I was like "I'm just here for the ride"
Disney basically ripped off a section of Legends continuity while continuing to use Mary Sue as the social justice narrative poster girl.
In Legends, Palpatine did come back after his apparent death at Vader's hands and he did try to restart his Empire from beyond the reach of the New Republic. It's revealed that he's died before, and used cloning to maintain his immortality, but clone bodies aren't able to hold the massive power that he possesses. Just like in ROTJ, he was entirely focused on Luke; he viewed his power as a threat, but as he is drawn to power, he wanted it under his control. Seeing how Luke never suffered the injuries Vader did, he had the potential to have the power Anakin did, and Palpatine desired that immensely. Tired of using clone bodies that would decay again and again, Palpatine wanted to possess Leia's child, as a Skywalker body would be able to contain his full power without dying. It took the combined power of Luke and Leia, the heirs of the Chosen One, to turn Palpatine's power on himself and finally destroy him.
I do think that was a great story arc for Palpatine, as we don't get a full viewing of his true power in ROTJ, and we see how all along, he wanted to ensure his rule was an eternal one. Palpatine disobeyed the principles of the Rule of Two, where his teachings would be passed down to a stronger apprentice. But Palpatine intended to make sure his rule was absolute, and his 'apprentices' were nothing more than his servants.
But this? Ignoring the rest of the slow motion train wreck that is TROS (like why there's a sith cult when there was only two sith), there was so much potential with Palpatine and Rey facing off. It could have been an epic lightsaber duel between Palpatine, Kylo and Rey, using the Force, or even the spirits of the Jedi helping Rey defeat Palpatine. Instead all we got was a rip off from Avengers Endgame.
If only Lucas could buy Star Wars back and George rewrote the sequel trilogy.
That would have been fantastic but that's unfortunately not gonna happen :(
It's too late, Carrie Fisher is gone and Harrison Ford and Mark Hammill really are too old to be much use now.
@@lucasoheyze4597 yeah
As if that will fix anything. First of all when it comes to Holywood & any kinds of movies what is already done can be undone. Sure George Lucas might be able to buy back the Starwars from Disney but then after that what can they do? The copies of these movies are already released & watched by people on cinema what do you want him to do recall the copies from the people who bought the movie & reproduce a new copy? Not to mention because of Disney Daisey Ridley's career already destroyed nobody wants to hire her after Starwars.
Big problem: with Fox being brought by Disney, as Lucasfilm as a whole was signed by George Lucas himself to retire his role as the CEO, the possibility of getting the company back is next to minimal.
Thank you just thank you for making this it’s amazing
I'd love a Clone Wars Season 7 video!
I wanted Palpatine to come back but as a young clone in his twenties with off the chart force abilities and show caseing his mastery of all forms of Saber combat like Luke Ben and Ray fighting him while he used jar Kai two Saber fighting form like in clone wars against maul and savage
this movie would have been so much better with two parts and if
JJ did The Last Jedi
If Rian Johnson was never born, would JJ Abrams have done the last Jedi?
One thing I want to FINALLY see is a proper Jedi Academy. As much as I loved the OT and prequels, i’m tired of just seeing the same group of people doing absolutely everything with the same 2 cameos pop up every once in a while. Give us some star wars movies that brings a bunch of different Jedi’s together. Imagine seeing the stories of a bunch of different Jedi’s who all trained in the academy go off on their individual adventures and at the same time a Sith Academy (like in star wars KoTOR game) having massive lightsaber fights as well as smaller ones would be awesome as we’ve seen 1v1 lightsaber fights way too many times, space it out a bit!
Like literally the end battle on Geonosis. I could totally get behind this idea.
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Honestly, they shoulda just made abeloth cannon instead of bringing palpatine back, like maybe abeloth could’ve been disguised as snoke idk 🤷♂️ ANYTHING other than what the did would’ve been better
This is why I choose to accept George’s og sequel trilogy over Disney’s shitty attempt at continuing the Skywalker Saga as canon
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Wow😁 great video
Please get out of my head🙄🤔 I'm glad that I'm not the only one asking all these questions.
I don’t think he should have been brought back at least without an explanation
it was literally wrote by reddit since everyone loves to hate these movies because disney, but then yet again why do they love the mandalorian, oh wait they don't know what they want and get mad whenever things don't go their way.
@@averydesalvo3613 mandalorian makes sense, has characters in it and it has a stable story??
@@cursedgrogu7538 Yeah
@@cursedgrogu7538 and it brings back OT characters beautifully without breaking the whole trilogy
@@averydesalvo3613 But some fans aren't "everyone" as you say they are. And many people didn't know what was next for star wars. And why yes many fans got mad about palpatine well that's because they messed up the original trilogy and they should have just left the original trilogy as it was and not mess with it
I don’t mind that they brought palpatine back. I like how he’s the main villain of the whole saga. But what I don’t like is just slapping Palps into a movie without any explanation on how he survived.
I don't, that story was concluded in ROTJ. Bringing him back just dragged a completed story out without adding anything to it. They just recycled a third Throne room sequence and evil Skywalker betrayal/sacrifice. Right down to another "Your fleet is lost" It cheapened Luke and Anakin's stories.
They should have given Rey her own villain and accomplishments rather than undoing the classic heroes to give her the kill of the big bad. Its just cheapening the old movies to make the new ones seem important. Which i find extremely disrespectful
@@MinuteLeech2 not only that....but there is...or was....so much external content from the EU to draw influences of characters from...and stories. Jedi Knight stories were always great.
Ok I don’t know why it seems nobody online has said this yet, but Disney could have easily kept Snoke alive by revealing the Snoke in the throne room was a force projection. I mean, they’d have to dance around a little bit with how he was able to project himself cut in half, and long enough for them to find his body, but I feel like it still would have been better than Palpatine coming back. Plus, Like was able to project himself differently than he actually looked so I feel like it’s possible. It kind of makes sense too if he was already having iffy feelings about Kylo and was anticipating him to probably turn on him at some point. But I don’t know, I feel like it’s better than what we got and was literally introduced in the movie so why not use it?
Just after the little spiel that ends @ 2:38, I have to say, from an auditory arts enthusiast, good lil' delivery there
I mean, Palpatine doesn't exactly have to be "intimate" with anyone so much as take what he wanted. Morals aren't exactly his thing and the empire does seem to have a thing for engaging with slavery and locking women up.
It'd be like the conspiracy about Nazi military experiments to birth gorilla based supersoldiers. Just... using an old guy with zap hands.
I think Rey should have been a direct project by Palpatine while he was alive in the flesh, one of those experiments. Either frozen, carbonited, or not actually born yet but the materials all remained, frozen embryos, eggs, Palpatine juice, or the parents could have been the experiments and she's a second generation from one of the few that were fertile. The clones may not have been the intention in the first place, knowing that as an artificially created being the Force wouldn't come to them or something, but if Palpatine could make the desired clones, their offspring would be connected to the force.
Then you could have the Palpatine plotline by making Snoke the body that Palpatine possessed, the old body outright gone. Don't reveal Snokes face until the end of the second movie and don't see him in person until the third where we see that as consequence of the original series, he is limited and doesn't have a proper connection to the force and is relying on the sith cult we see, everything he's doing are work arounds thanks to his knowledge and collection of artifacts from that sith world, using sith artifacts and the cult to work dark side powers to manipulate things from that base.
Exegal shouldn't have that one limp dick cloud blocking that one particular spot in the sky that somehow makes it hard to find, it should be in the black hole vortex place we see in... Solo I think, or abandon that idea entirely and just have it be really far away and the planet shouldn't have an atmosphere at all, but it's a giant dead planet that's been hollowed out so you have a Hollow Earth inside of it where the giant sith temple is at the heart of. But instead of some lush paradise or dino land like most Hollow Earth depictions, it's a giant forge world with an isolated molten core suspended with lava flows all around, and slave labor visibly working all over with machines and machinations similar to what we see with Mordor, a twisted slave race emulating demons- The planet gives a visual theme of hell or purgatory. In some places throughout the concave interior of the horizon curving up and inward, you see tons of shipyards where you have docked NEW Star Destroyer models that look like the classic triangle shape but with a large sphere in the center similar to those droid space stations mixed with star destroyers mixed with death stars. So small mini death star destroyers the size of capital ships, with THREE "Crater" dishes instead of one. Instead of a planet destroying beam, we see the three dishes release essentially mega-nukes in repeated succession, each one around as destructive as the "partial charge" shot we see the death star do in Rogue One. So no more bullcrap overdone popping planets like firecrackers, a different threat of glassing the surface of a planet instead, and a more effective weapon overall as it can be used against enemy fleets effectively.
No "Thousands" of destroyers, but maybe a good dozen or so with the signs of a hundreds more being built plus many other ships in general.
Then in the final act there should be a full scale HIVE swarm of tie fighters emerging from all over the shellworld inside and out to oppose the incoming fleet of "Good guys" rallied as part of the movie or trilogy overall's story arc and we see the biggest space battle in all on-screen sci fi, the death destroyers not able to fire their main cannons while within the shell world or it would cause havoc on the industrial factories within it, so we see the mobilize to leave the planet and part of the plot is to try to prevent them from leaving, which ultimately a few would so we see how the heroes have to react or not to that, and potentially have to stand by and not risk a routing or letting even more escape or get built by pulling back from the shell world, as at least one of the death destroyers glasses a planet and we don't see what happens to the other(s) that escaped.
Then we see Palpatine succeed (like he did but it isn't shown or acknowledge in the movie...) in getting Rey to kill him, and he takes her body. He/she now has access to the force again, and turns the inside of the shellworld into one of those plasma ball toys/lights as the Republic (It's stupid to call them Resistance or Rebels, they took power at the end of the first trilogy) implements a plan to destabilize the core timed with the striking of a WMD into the core itself, causing the core to explode outward in a wave against the shellworld's interior factories and searing Ray-Palpatine in a mirror image of Anakin's burning, having been confronted by Kylo and the Knights of Ren during this time (As a third faction- Empire, Order, and Republic), and now with Kylo standing over her as Obi-Wan stood over Anakin and he is confronted with the image of what the Dark Side leads to, the destruction, chaos, and unbridled hatred, how it is ultimately weak and pathetic in the end to have lost ones self so far, the self destruction. After the plot arc of the attempts to bring him back from the dark side over the course of the trilogy by Rey, and Rey being the one to fall like this (albeit not of her own free will), it's the breaking point where Kylo rejects the dark side. As Palpatine refers to him as Kylo, he speaks through him to Rey, rejecting the name and saying he's Ben, then uses Rey's - Luke's saber to execute Palpatine and give Rey a mercy in releasing her from the possessed body and allowed to move on as a force ghost, in the same moment we see Anakin, Luke (if he still dies in this timeline), and Obi-Wan.
Ben then returns to Leia (and Han if still alive in this timeline) to announce the death of Kylo, Palpatine, and Rey, but he embraces them, and says the First Order will negotiate peace and work on making amends for war crimes and damages. Theoretically nobody but Leia, Luke, Han, and a few others would know that Ben was Kylo, giving him a bit of an out but he could maintain a different alternate identity in leading the First Order into penance and reassimilation into the Republic.
dude ... I read this and I NEED to see it! Epic!
Who ever dislikes actually loves the second and third movie
The mighty cringe that 1 guy 😂
Wait but I dislike the 2nd but like the 3rd movie and I liked the video
Nickstone i said “and” ,not “or” so ur gud man
I havent watched the third one but the reviews on rotten tomatoes are pretty agreeable
The mighty cringe ok
Lazy bringing Palpatine back. I am just glad we can right the sequel trilogy of as being in another time line (mandalorian fan theory) but I am going with it
you better get a blanket cuz you're tucking me in at 12:00 am
He did came back before in comic old cannon.But that why more epic then Disney's attempts
I'd honestly prefer if they just did a movie adaptation of the legend books
Hey loving the vids! Could you do more stranger things videos as I enjoy them so much! All the content is maxing though just a preference. Keep it up !!
Yes! Thank you for watching this one! Im going to keep doing more of both :)
When I first watched the exogol fight I felt like it was structured like a mission in a game. Mostly because of how everything plays out especially the transmission relay thing, like why have one and why don’t other ship fleets need one at all?
Video should be called “How the sequel trilogy got made and why it doesn’t work in the canon of Star Wars”
The fact that this movie is packed and missing stuff isn’t new and I don’t really mind since it was like that in attack of the clones (ikn its bad) and still is my favorite. The main problem is that Palpatine coming back ruins Anakins character arc and so also Lukes and the whole star wars saga
[EDIT] Just saw a video on this and really wanted to share it! Palpatine coming back DOES NOT RUIN THE SKYWALKER SAGA!!!! The sequels are bad but they don’t mess this bad just hear me out. Anakin being the chosen one didn’t mean he was going to destroy the sith but fix the jedi. Obi and Yoda were close minded and were never able to realize that Anakin was right about feelings and all those stuff basically he came to put them into the original jedi plan. This makes sense with Rey teaching a new generation of Jedi. But I do think that Palpatine back kinda lowered Anakin arc but not abt he being the chosen one
It feels like the chosen one wasn't Anakin, it was Palatine
Actually, if you follow Mendel's first law, rey could get the "aa" genes to power, and her dad, "Aa" genes (only manifests with 2 passive genes)
I love ur rants lmao
All that had to happen was Rey? To kill Palpatine?
How do we know Palps is even dead? What if he had more clones?
Those questions explain why their explanation for his survival is so dumb.
This video needs more traffic. Excellent video
Now that I’m thinking about this a bit more, it may be a little shoutout of sorts to legends fans. They did have the scene with Leia training as the main one but in 11ABY of legends, Palpatines clone came back or something. I read this secondhand. But any legends fanatics can mention anything here. And they have been doing a lot for the fans recently too but....thoughts?
A comic series called Dark Empire (as well as West End Games SW 2nd Ed RPG game supplement) in late 91/early 92 with 6 comics I believe the number was. That's what you are thinking of. They fully fleshed it out and btw "legends" is a Disney thing. If it was greenlight to be published prior to Disney's treasonous acts, it was by Lucas directly, and therefore cannon. There was no Legends before Disney.
I think it should’ve ended with Rey convincing Palpatine to accept death.
He never had a family who loved him, and he spent his entire existence hinging on power.
It comes full circle, and we’d be convinced he’s not coming back.
You know Palpatine murder his entire family to be a Sith Lord he don’t give two shit about family.
If I was palpatine I would’ve gotten windu to strike him down, I mean he is the second most powerful Jedi behind yoda after all.
He’s no where near the second, nor is Yoda at the first. There’s a couple Jedi that are more powerful. Luke, Staele Shan, Alak, Revan, Exar Kun, Nomu Sunrider, Bastilla Shan
I never saw the rise of Skywalker but when u showed me palpatine dying to his own force lightning all I could think was "I'm too weak, don't hurt me, please!"
He’s so light on the Rise of Skywalker that it almost feels like a defense of the movie.
Hate to do the “actually...”, but the whole killing the sith lord in anger to become the next sith is actually pretty embedded in Star Wars “Legends”. It actually was what Vader was doing in Return if the Jedi. That’s been the common understanding since before then new trilogy, even since before the rule of two. If you strike the Sith Lord down in anger, you become the new Sith Lord. Vader (I guess Anakin) didn’t want to see his son get engulfed by the dark side like what happened to him, so he killed Palp instead, therefore protecting Luke from dark side corruption. The rest of your video I pretty much agree with though.
Edit: this comes from a lot of pre-new trilogy and pre-Disney books that were previously cannon before big o’l Disney came along.
Michael is referring to the fact that Palpatine claimed his soul would take over Rey's body once she struck him down. They're trying to justify that by saying Palpatine would have done the same to Luke, but this was never even hinted prior to ROS.
But Disney wrote themselves into a corner with that detail, because Rey struck him down anyway. So why did Palpatine's soul not enter Rey's body?
More importantly, if Palpatine's end goal is to take over Rey's body, why is he trying to kill her wiith force lightning?
So many contradictions. It's like no care what put into the story whatsoever.
They should’ve made hints throughout the entire trilogy if they truly wanted it to work. But honestly, I just hate the ending in general. Palpatene should’ve rotted in the Fiery pits of hell where he belonged, Kylo should’ve lived like in the books, and they should’ve just have a different director too! Yes, some of his work was really good and I enjoyed while the movies lasted, but they were so unresolved and unsatisfying
I agree I don't think they should touch old material unless they had a really great reason.
There would have been plenty of time for ANY backstory if they didn't spend 2 hours on a fetch quest.
It has been confirmed that Palpatine in Return of the Jedi was a clone like Snoke
So that would mean the real palpatine was on exagul the hall time! sorry for the miss spelling
Which begs the question, why make Snoke? Just keep making Palpy clones
confirmed where and by whom?
Disney legit thought that Star Wars was “too big to fail.” Why else would they not plan everything out all at once? They thought they could just hire people to make movies without any regard for continuity or tone and expect it to turn out ok. When they realized that wasn’t going to work they had to go into full damage control and bring back the last piece of the OT that they could, The Emperor.
End question - Palpatine was brought back in the Dark Empire series, being explained that he had a series of clones that he constantly transferred into because flesh does not support the great energy of the dark side. Personally, think they should have made the next movie at least more about the original heroes and the rest of the First Order and fall of the Republic and the Jedi academy. Movie 2 could have started where this trilogy started. Edit the last two, drop Palpatine or used Snipe (or whatever his name is) as a surviving but severely injured Palpatine
there should have been a esb style reveal where snoke is actually the apprentice of darth Krayt
There's a storyline in legends in which Palpatine transfers his spirit into clones.
This whole trilogy is a mess. It somehow makes the prequel trilogy look great by comparison.
David Brown the prequels are my favorites😂
@Hey McFly prequel good sequel bad likes to the left
Even though the prequels aren’t technically good by movie standards, they’re still better than the shitshow we got from Disney
@@SaurianStudios1207 exactly
Hey McFly you’re a slacker!
Back to the Future reference lol 😂
Honestly I think if they did make a new movie the Audience make a clone like smoke like how they gave him the force and storm troopers start turning to the light so the new snoke reactivates the droids (I prefer the sepretest over the first order) but the droids are different and like the new snoke has his own fighting style (to introduce a new form) and he’s like very tactical.I don’t know how I feel about this and I doubt anyone will read this but I feel like this may even been a better version of the movies with ray I also like the idea of keeping snoke and he being the real bad guy the whole time.
Bringing back palps was the worst example of subverting expectations cause we all thought he died 30+ years ago
Yep, it’s why life makes no sense today.
30 years ago (from 2021) is correct. He died in the comics in early 1992. The idea went over well enough back then, it had a good fleshed out story to it. It was cannon (everything was at that time), but it was obvious he wasn't coming back a 3rd time. It was short lived, he returned, he tried, they "Nah Bruh you gotta go back to the land of the dead." I understand Ol' Palps might or might not be able to return according to the R of S book or some such. God I hope not.
Ima big fan Michael!
@Michael Jae in your next video talk about the release of stranger writers in twitter.(if you check this out you will understand what i mean plz answer to me :)
Wait what?
@@MichaelJaeYT the stranger writers in twitter released 5 movies which are related with season 4 of stranger things
wait, so the sith eternal scaped his remains off the floor that he fell down on, from the moon sized battlestation that blew up? that would have incinerated any organic material? that also doesn't make sense
1:07 IVE BEEN WAITING FOR A YEAR
The sequels are not canon. They are an overpriced, disney written fan fic
To write a fanfiction you gotta be a fan of whatever you're writing about. The sequels aren't fanfics because clearly, neither of the heads of Lucasfilm who worked on the trilogy were Star Wars fans. It's just fiction.
For the last time, you don't decide if something is Canon or not. It's Canon, whatever you want it or not
@@nounchpola9836 The status of canon as a concept is flimsy. It's just a fictional franchise so who cares if a corporation considers something canon and who cares if 1 fan or 100 fans says the same or otherwise. Arguing about what actually happened in the timeline regardless if you like it or not is wasting time. Imo canon is only decided in the head of an individual. I chose to make KOTOR, Bounty Hunter, Republic Commando, BF2 2005, TFU, Jedi Alliance, Jedi Academy, etc. canon, but you don't have to agree with me and if you do that's cool.
@@yozora1047 mhh, I understand
That's why they struck the expanded universe from canon. They knew it all was better than what they were going to put out.
I think bringing back palpatine turns the skywalker saga into the palpatine saga, the story of how the palpatines created and used the skywalkers to become the most powerful force entity ever. It also turns Mary Rey into the chosen one (because she kills palpatine).
They should have named the movie the rise of palpatine...
I think the disney trashology is so bad, I cannot even accept it as canon. And as long as it canon I am boycotting disney fincancially.
Hopefully Kathleen Kennedy is gone next year and feloni, feige and Lucas are allowed to repair star wars...
May the force be with us.
From what it seems it might have been explained during the Canon novel series, and Sheev Palpatine never died at the end of Return of the Jedi, it seems he did an Essence transfer before Vader killed his body.
I think that AT LEAST Snoke should have teased the return of the Emperor waaaaay back in The Force Awakens.
Also the ending fight with Rey.
Rey: “Oh no, I can’t block properly with just one lightsaber... hang on, I have two lightsabers”
BAM the end she wins. Almost like Palpatine didn’t just disable a whole space fleet with lightning. Like having Palpatine as the villain was dumb enough but they couldn’t have thought of a better way of Rey overcoming that fight.
Anakin wasn't the chosen one according to this movie. Nothing anyone did ever mattered because all of the heroes were failures and terrible mentors except for Leia
and even leia gave birth to a sith! bad girl
You should make another cooking video like the French toast one that was pretty awesome
Coming from someone who loved TFA & TLJ, I agree with everything you said in this video