I'm very much looking forward to following you on your Japanese learning journey! You did say that you were going to share the materials you are going to generate for your self, but I was wondering if you maybe thinking of doing a few videos of you actually making them and organising them etc? Either way, very excited to watch you learn Japanese - very inspiring stuff.
This is a fantastic project, hope it goes well and can't wait to see the results. Just one tip about japanese verbs. Although you don't like to directly learm grammars, it is well worth having a quick look about the three groups of verbs and how to spot which group they belong to from the plain dictionary form. The conjugations are then regular within each group on the whole. Apart from group three which contains just two verbs which are irregular. Hope that helps.
Knowing kanji isn't just for reading, it's necessary for understanding how Japanese works. Most Japanese nouns are compound words made out of kanji, which means that words with the same kanji will most of the time use the same on-yomi reading, and the meaning of the word is tied to the meaning of the kanji. For example, 体力 (tairyoku) which means stamina is combined of 体 - tai (body) and 力 - ryoku (power). Learning efficiently means that you don't have to treat every compound word like a complete new thing if you know the reading of the on-yomi reading of the kanji. For example, you can make an association for ryoku and use it in all words that use ryoku instead of making a completely new association.
@@NaturalLanguageLearning Is that how you did it so far? I thought it would be difficult to recognize parts of the word (in this case tai and ryoku) while only using romaji.
Really cool method. Gonna try it. Going to Japan at the end of october for the first time. Also you look like Deep from the boys when he shaved his head lol.
we are looking for it ... but as a demo , we want you to talk we Japanese people in real time (in VR chat for exemple ..), to see how is it your level after completing this 3 months ...
You actually can do it. I have done it with german and dutch after learning english. When you do a lot of deliberate practice and don't focus too much on input it's achievable.
I am excited to watch you go through this. The two languages I have learned the most (still not enough) are Spanish and Japanese. I joined your program about a month ago but am having a hard time figuring out where to start. The roadmap you laid out in this is great. I have a lot of children, so it's hard for me to set dedicated time aside. But I'm still going at it. What would you recommend for someone who has a decent base of words, but has a hard time understanding and using the correct conjugations? Just sentence drilling?
Learn complete sentences. Either example sentences for those words, the Mass Sentence lists that include all conjugations or your Language Islands, ideally all 3. Lots of repeating the sentences aloud until you can say them error free. If you don't have much time for studying, make sure you have a playlist with the audio files of all those sentences so that you can listen to them in the background while doing other things. You can get a lot of extra practice that way.
😄 Awesome! I do have some concerns, though. When I thought about 3 months, I assumed at least 6 hours or more per day. That would be over 600 hours in 100 days. Two hours per day for 3 months is around 200 hours in total. Plus, it's an Asian language for Europeans. Why make it so hard for yourself? 😅 I can only draw from my experience of 3 weeks learning Spanish to compare the level you might achieve. If you get better results, then your approach must have a lot of value to explore. The amount of language that can be learned in 200 hours is actually enough to maintain a conversation, but the level of integration, listening comprehension, and forming sentences verbally will be interesting to see. Although I believe it's possible, I’m still wondering how this sentence- and vocabulary-based approach will overcome all the challenges that I know but you might not yet be aware of... Anyway, let’s wait and see! 😜
You said you want to make a couple hundred associations per day, in less than an hour? How is that possible? That would be like 3-4 mnemonic associations per minute. How are you able to come up with very random associations so fast and remember them. You are 2 days in, got any examples already? I've heard a lot about immersion but you offer an entirely new approach and I'm actually intrigued but also sceptical. If it works this well, why is nobody using it? Oh and you also have it written down as Listen & Repeat, but where do you get the Audio from? Or do you just listen to yourself when speaking the sentences?
How am I able to come up with very random associations so fast? Lots of practice. 3-4 a minute means one every 15-20 seconds. I recommend training by setting a timer for 5-10 minutes and keeping track of how many of them you can create. And to remember them? Reviewing the list regularly. "Immersion" is going to be extremely slow and ineffective unless it's real immersion (+10h a day with active conversation too). Input is going to be much easier and more enjoyable if you learn the mass sentences first.
@@NaturalLanguageLearning I see, this is indeed very interesting. But again, I dont understand the listening part. You dont really have any audio that speaks the sentences for you do you. And you have a list of all 2000 most common verbs or how do you plan on making 2000 sentences out of thin air within a week? Are these some ChatGPT or Google Translate shanigans?
@@darkrai234live5 ChatGPT to create example sentences out of vocab (verbs, nouns, adj, etc). Then text-to-speech software to create audio files for these and also for my Language Islands. Gradually introduce native speaker podcasts when my vocabulary grows.
The short answer is no. Maybe someone coming from a Chinese or Korean background might perform better, but even then, they couldn't learn Japanese within these time constraints. The writing system and grammar is a big challenge to Westerners. You need to understand over 2000 Kanji to have basic literacy (high school graduate) and educated Japanese will know many more. I am still interested to see your progress though.
I mean it seems like backwards thinking, I think it's unlikely he'll succeed even though I'd love to see it happen, but the 2000 kanji thing while true is only frightening if you take the time to learn kanji individually which in my experience is a waste of time and fails to realize that Chinese and Japanese people by the time they learn those kanji already know a bunch of words that use said kanji and their context. Even then many of the jouyou kanjis are pretty random. Just learn vocab and you'll get a feel for kanji as a freebie, bonus that by the time you reach a 2000 words you'll actually be reading stuff, something that cannot be said if you went the kanji route except for basic stuff.
He doesn’t care about the kanji for now. I imagine he’ll just use romaji. Only focusing on listening comprehension and speaking is gonna be a big help too. I’m pretty excited to see how far he gets
@@kamikamen_official WaniKani worked very well for me. I learned Kanji along with vocab. I can read a lot of native material now. Never said I was afraid of them. You've got to be realistic. It takes 88 weeks of intensive full time education for FSI to train someone in Japanese. Using Romaji only will hamstring you because pretty much all educational material beyond very basic beginner material will use the Kana and Kanji. I am a bit sceptical of any of his claims. There are a lot of fake polyglots on YT.
@@Starstreak170 I misunderstood your comment and I wrote my comment before watching the video. So my apologies. I myself am learning Japanese, I can read novels pretty comfortably and read visual novels. While I did learn some kanjis, it was one of the things that made me give up when I started learning Japanese one of the many times I tried learning the language. Why? It was depressing learning so much stuff and trying to remember things and still be unable to do anything meaningful with it (I wasn't learning vocab.) In retrospect it seems dumb, but from my research I figured the "proper" way was learning kanji first and vocab after, and since I had no experience in language learning and wanted to be as good as possible, I did that. I later discovered themoeway and immersion learning a few years down the line (MattVJapan) and saw my biggest gains by just cramming vocab and reading. I developped a decent sense of kanji that way and can pretty often guess how kanji's are supposed to be read. I want at some point in my life to try the kanken, so I'll need to learn kanji more rigorously at some point, but for my current uses and from my experience, you can just cram vocab and do other stuff.
It's not bad, better than most resources out there. But I would recommend doing exactly what I'm doing in these videos, otherwise I wouldn't be doing it myself.
You'll learn some Japanese in 3 months, but it really depends on your specific goals on whether you'll see it as a success. Just make sure not to neglect the cultural aspects of the language, which heavily influences how written and spoken Japanese is communicated. Whatever sentences you use, make sure to use the spoken grammar rules and decide if you want to use polite or casual speech patterns. It'll sound unnatural if you're constantly switching between politeness levels or speaking like you're reading from a book. I'm very interested to keep up with your progress over the next 3 months so good luck and have fun with Japanese! It is a really unique language to tackle.
This is very exciting! I can't wait to see your progress! For the 1 hour conversation at the 3 month mark, will it be simply you speaking alone, or will you be having a conversation with a native speaker?
@@NaturalLanguageLearning that's great. You're a motivation brother. My goal is to learn spanish, portuguese and Italian by the end of this year. Its gonna be hard. But your method is solid . I like how your doing listening and repeat/shadowing now instead of just passive input.
@@riversdunn2543 that's very doable, if you do it the right way. I've had clients learn all 3 in 3-4 months. Once you learn the first one, the other 2 are super easy because Spanish, Italian and Portuguese are very similar to each other.
I'm very much looking forward to following you on your Japanese learning journey! You did say that you were going to share the materials you are going to generate for your self, but I was wondering if you maybe thinking of doing a few videos of you actually making them and organising them etc? Either way, very excited to watch you learn Japanese - very inspiring stuff.
Interested, too. And of course also looking forward to see more about the process and results. Good luck
The man is a mad lad but I’m here for it haha. 2 hours a day for 3 months with intense, deliberate practice is gonna be a fun result to see.
It would also be cool if he recorded every moment he’s learning and uploaded it raw.
This is a great idea. Excited to see how it goes
3 months is ambitious, but I can't wait to see the progress! You've got this!!
El japonés lo tengo entre los idiomas que quiero estudiar a largo plazo. Sin embargo, me alegra ver este video. Gracias como siempre, Mikel.
I wish you the best of luck man! Can't wait to see how you progress!
I cant wait to see the results. Good luck.
This is a fantastic project, hope it goes well and can't wait to see the results.
Just one tip about japanese verbs. Although you don't like to directly learm grammars, it is well worth having a quick look about the three groups of verbs and how to spot which group they belong to from the plain dictionary form. The conjugations are then regular within each group on the whole. Apart from group three which contains just two verbs which are irregular. Hope that helps.
Thanks, good to know! Just looked it up. I'll probably create an example sentence list for all 3 using AI.
I will try to do this journey with you. I also want to learn Japanese. Let's see how this goes :D
Nice! Just copy my learning plans then. The materials I'm using are all available in the NLL Community.
Knowing kanji isn't just for reading, it's necessary for understanding how Japanese works. Most Japanese nouns are compound words made out of kanji, which means that words with the same kanji will most of the time use the same on-yomi reading, and the meaning of the word is tied to the meaning of the kanji. For example, 体力 (tairyoku) which means stamina is combined of 体 - tai (body) and 力 - ryoku (power). Learning efficiently means that you don't have to treat every compound word like a complete new thing if you know the reading of the on-yomi reading of the kanji. For example, you can make an association for ryoku and use it in all words that use ryoku instead of making a completely new association.
Why can't I make an association for ryoku without knowing Kanji?
@@NaturalLanguageLearning Is that how you did it so far? I thought it would be difficult to recognize parts of the word (in this case tai and ryoku) while only using romaji.
Really cool method. Gonna try it. Going to Japan at the end of october for the first time. Also you look like Deep from the boys when he shaved his head lol.
Prepare your language islands and you'll be able to speak a little by end october.
@@NaturalLanguageLearning Yes! Doing that right now :)
we are looking for it ... but as a demo , we want you to talk we Japanese people in real time (in VR chat for exemple ..), to see how is it your level after completing this 3 months ...
that's the plan.
You actually can do it. I have done it with german and dutch after learning english. When you do a lot of deliberate practice and don't focus too much on input it's achievable.
Czy jesteś Polakiem? Yeah I've done this over and over with many languages, it always works.
@@NaturalLanguageLearning yes, I am
I am excited to watch you go through this. The two languages I have learned the most (still not enough) are Spanish and Japanese.
I joined your program about a month ago but am having a hard time figuring out where to start. The roadmap you laid out in this is great.
I have a lot of children, so it's hard for me to set dedicated time aside. But I'm still going at it. What would you recommend for someone who has a decent base of words, but has a hard time understanding and using the correct conjugations? Just sentence drilling?
Learn complete sentences. Either example sentences for those words, the Mass Sentence lists that include all conjugations or your Language Islands, ideally all 3. Lots of repeating the sentences aloud until you can say them error free.
If you don't have much time for studying, make sure you have a playlist with the audio files of all those sentences so that you can listen to them in the background while doing other things. You can get a lot of extra practice that way.
😄 Awesome! I do have some concerns, though. When I thought about 3 months, I assumed at least 6 hours or more per day. That would be over 600 hours in 100 days. Two hours per day for 3 months is around 200 hours in total. Plus, it's an Asian language for Europeans. Why make it so hard for yourself? 😅
I can only draw from my experience of 3 weeks learning Spanish to compare the level you might achieve. If you get better results, then your approach must have a lot of value to explore. The amount of language that can be learned in 200 hours is actually enough to maintain a conversation, but the level of integration, listening comprehension, and forming sentences verbally will be interesting to see. Although I believe it's possible, I’m still wondering how this sentence- and vocabulary-based approach will overcome all the challenges that I know but you might not yet be aware of... Anyway, let’s wait and see! 😜
You said you want to make a couple hundred associations per day, in less than an hour? How is that possible? That would be like 3-4 mnemonic associations per minute. How are you able to come up with very random associations so fast and remember them. You are 2 days in, got any examples already?
I've heard a lot about immersion but you offer an entirely new approach and I'm actually intrigued but also sceptical. If it works this well, why is nobody using it?
Oh and you also have it written down as Listen & Repeat, but where do you get the Audio from? Or do you just listen to yourself when speaking the sentences?
How am I able to come up with very random associations so fast? Lots of practice.
3-4 a minute means one every 15-20 seconds. I recommend training by setting a timer for 5-10 minutes and keeping track of how many of them you can create.
And to remember them? Reviewing the list regularly.
"Immersion" is going to be extremely slow and ineffective unless it's real immersion (+10h a day with active conversation too). Input is going to be much easier and more enjoyable if you learn the mass sentences first.
@@NaturalLanguageLearning I see, this is indeed very interesting. But again, I dont understand the listening part. You dont really have any audio that speaks the sentences for you do you. And you have a list of all 2000 most common verbs or how do you plan on making 2000 sentences out of thin air within a week? Are these some ChatGPT or Google Translate shanigans?
@@darkrai234live5 ChatGPT to create example sentences out of vocab (verbs, nouns, adj, etc). Then text-to-speech software to create audio files for these and also for my Language Islands. Gradually introduce native speaker podcasts when my vocabulary grows.
Viel Gluck🎉.
Danke!
The short answer is no. Maybe someone coming from a Chinese or Korean background might perform better, but even then, they couldn't learn Japanese within these time constraints.
The writing system and grammar is a big challenge to Westerners. You need to understand over 2000 Kanji to have basic literacy (high school graduate) and educated Japanese will know many more.
I am still interested to see your progress though.
I mean it seems like backwards thinking, I think it's unlikely he'll succeed even though I'd love to see it happen, but the 2000 kanji thing while true is only frightening if you take the time to learn kanji individually which in my experience is a waste of time and fails to realize that Chinese and Japanese people by the time they learn those kanji already know a bunch of words that use said kanji and their context. Even then many of the jouyou kanjis are pretty random.
Just learn vocab and you'll get a feel for kanji as a freebie, bonus that by the time you reach a 2000 words you'll actually be reading stuff, something that cannot be said if you went the kanji route except for basic stuff.
He doesn’t care about the kanji for now. I imagine he’ll just use romaji. Only focusing on listening comprehension and speaking is gonna be a big help too. I’m pretty excited to see how far he gets
@@kamikamen_official WaniKani worked very well for me. I learned Kanji along with vocab. I can read a lot of native material now. Never said I was afraid of them.
You've got to be realistic. It takes 88 weeks of intensive full time education for FSI to train someone in Japanese.
Using Romaji only will hamstring you because pretty much all educational material beyond very basic beginner material will use the Kana and Kanji.
I am a bit sceptical of any of his claims. There are a lot of fake polyglots on YT.
@@Starstreak170 I misunderstood your comment and I wrote my comment before watching the video. So my apologies.
I myself am learning Japanese, I can read novels pretty comfortably and read visual novels.
While I did learn some kanjis, it was one of the things that made me give up when I started learning Japanese one of the many times I tried learning the language. Why?
It was depressing learning so much stuff and trying to remember things and still be unable to do anything meaningful with it (I wasn't learning vocab.)
In retrospect it seems dumb, but
from my research I figured the "proper" way was learning kanji first and vocab after, and since I had no experience in language learning and wanted to be as good as possible, I did that.
I later discovered themoeway and immersion learning a few years down the line (MattVJapan) and saw my biggest gains by just cramming vocab and reading. I developped a decent sense of kanji that way and can pretty often guess how kanji's are supposed to be read.
I want at some point in my life to try the kanken, so I'll need to learn kanji more rigorously at some point, but for my current uses and from my experience, you can just cram vocab and do other stuff.
@@twodyport8080 It's also silly to claim learning very basic conversation skills and being illiterate is really "learning" a language in 3 months.
Would you recommend LingQ to someone learning a language from scratch?
It's not bad, better than most resources out there. But I would recommend doing exactly what I'm doing in these videos, otherwise I wouldn't be doing it myself.
Good luck
How do I find the free Spanish one? Your the language G.O.A.T
You can find it through the 10,000 Spanish sentences video in the Learn Spanish playlist of the channel.
You'll learn some Japanese in 3 months, but it really depends on your specific goals on whether you'll see it as a success.
Just make sure not to neglect the cultural aspects of the language, which heavily influences how written and spoken Japanese is communicated. Whatever sentences you use, make sure to use the spoken grammar rules and decide if you want to use polite or casual speech patterns. It'll sound unnatural if you're constantly switching between politeness levels or speaking like you're reading from a book.
I'm very interested to keep up with your progress over the next 3 months so good luck and have fun with Japanese! It is a really unique language to tackle.
what about it?
What prompt do you use for the 2000 verb list? Thanks
The list is here: conjugador.reverso.net/conjugacion-japones.html
Then simply "create an example sentence for each on of these verbs"
@@NaturalLanguageLearning thank you for this link bro
You ever studied or planned to include Hebrew ?
I haven't studied it before, but sounds interesting.
This is very exciting! I can't wait to see your progress!
For the 1 hour conversation at the 3 month mark, will it be simply you speaking alone, or will you be having a conversation with a native speaker?
@@BERRUEZA either with a native speaker or someone who's been learning Japanese for a long time.
@@NaturalLanguageLearning That's great to hear, best of luck!
And you're a huge motivation to my own language learning!
Are you gonna learn all 2000 verbs in the first week?
Yes.
@@NaturalLanguageLearning that's great. You're a motivation brother. My goal is to learn spanish, portuguese and
Italian by the end of this year. Its gonna be hard. But your method is solid . I like how your doing listening and repeat/shadowing now instead of just passive input.
@@riversdunn2543 that's very doable, if you do it the right way. I've had clients learn all 3 in 3-4 months. Once you learn the first one, the other 2 are super easy because Spanish, Italian and Portuguese are very similar to each other.
“Let’s not talk politics” LMAO
@beefwellington3180 never ends well