Depends where you look. Some retailers that don't focus on pc parts sale sell them cheap. I got myself a 7800x3d at £360. While proper pc parts stores online sell them at 464
@@T.K.9 I bought a 7600X for $250 CAD ($173 USD), same retail store selling 7800X3D for $645 CAD ($447 USD). I play at 4k since I have a TUF 4080 Super. So I'm pretty happy with the decision
I know right! It's crazy, I had a finished plan two months ago and only wanted to wait out black friday... now I need to change it up because the 7800x3d got 200 euros more expensive compared to then (Netherlands).
I am currently using the 7600x right now and considering upgrading to a 7800x3d cause the internet said it's the best gaming cpu for my 4070super. As of now, the price has more than doubled my 7600x, and I game on 1440p. I play mostly cyberpunk and looking at the benchmark, it's not even worth it anymore. Why amd??? U were supposed to be the hero that saves us from the evil intel's atrocious prices.
Nice video comparison, but what we see here is that the 7600X and 7800X3D are limited by the platform's maximum RAM speed of ~6000MHz, while the 9000 series, with its smaller nanometer process and improved RAM controller, can easily support 6400MHz RAM, offering a performance boost. EDIT: th-cam.com/video/btsU-yStArU/w-d-xo.html This video shows the Ryzen 9 7950X3D paired with 7200 MHz RAM. Despite the higher memory read/write speeds in benchmarks, the gaming FPS remains roughly the same as with lower RAM speeds. th-cam.com/video/vkoiCfDK1SU/w-d-xo.html It’s shown that the Ryzen 9 7900X can achieve performance similar to the 7800X3D when using 6400 MHz RAM, closing the gap between the two in gaming. Conclusion: Possible reasons we aren’t seeing more frames could be: cache efficiency and memory access patterns, loss of CPU cycles, power/thermal throttling within the CPU, the need for a Windows update to better utilize higher RAM speeds in frame generation tasks, or requiring even more CPU cores to achieve higher frame rates. => The amount of RAM bandwidth a single CPU core can handle for frame generation could be a limiting factor. If the game engine and workload can leverage more cores, having additional CPU cores and higher RAM bandwidth could allow the CPU to process more data in parallel, leading to higher frame generation and more frames per second. The 7600x with its single 6-core chiplet, is the optimal choice if there is no extra 3D cache. Without the additional 3D cache, adding more cores on a separate chiplet does not result in a significant increase in frame rates. The 7500F exists as an underclocked version and could potentially deliver similar performance to the 7600x
Reviewers have said the memory is about the same 7000 vs 9000 and is believed to be a bottleneck. (Also, when using realistic settings, the GPU.) Look for memory improvements in the Zen 6 chips, which should yield substantial performance improvements. 9000 vs 7000 improvements come from better X3D cache design, IPC improvements, and frequency gains. Maybe other things as well, IDK, but the improvements seem to be rather unsubstantial outside of the X3D parts, so maybe that's it.
@@yosifvidelov Actually, an X3D chip is valuable because some games aren't properly optimized, such as Star Citizen, Resident Evil 4, and Spider-Man. In 2024, the optimal price-to-performance PC setup includes the Ryzen 5 7500F OC paired with a 4070 Super or Ti GPU. The AMD 7000 and 9000 series CPUs struggle with stable 1:1 performance beyond 6400 MHz dual-channel RAM at CL32 timings and change to 2:1 and any benefit is lost in gaming. For those looking to play less-optimized games, older stable Intel CPUs are a better choice for gaining an extra 10-20 FPS in scenarios where performance hovers around 40-60 FPS with 6000 MHz RAM, as they can efficiently handle and utilize DDR5 RAM speeds of 8200 MHz overpriced memory. Having an X3D chip to achieve 200-400 FPS in already well-optimized scenarios can be overkill if it still struggles in crowded areas where the extra RAM bandwidth provided by 8000+ MHz is crucial. With PCIe 5 GPUs on the horizon, we’ll soon find out if higher RAM bandwidth becomes essential. By that time, however, the price of such memory will likely align with the current cost of 2x16GB CL30 6000 MHz kits, which are around $140.
@@yosifvidelov Yeah, that has to do with the inadequate memory controller. Past 6000-6400, the memory controller quits maintaining a 1:1 clock ratio and instead moves to a 1:2 clock ratio (memory doing 2 clock cycles for every 1 clock cycle from the memory controller), which offsets any performance gains from the fast memory. (Like Mrdaisygrand just said, apparently.) Zen6 will be able to maintain a 1:1 ratio for higher speed RAM, which will improve performance, especially in production performance.
Currently in Dec 2024, the 7800X3D cost triple compared to 7600X lol 😅
Depends where you look. Some retailers that don't focus on pc parts sale sell them cheap.
I got myself a 7800x3d at £360.
While proper pc parts stores online sell them at 464
@@T.K.9 I bought a 7600X for $250 CAD ($173 USD), same retail store selling 7800X3D for $645 CAD ($447 USD). I play at 4k since I have a TUF 4080 Super. So I'm pretty happy with the decision
7600 is still good enough for me as a regular player
its great....quite fast for 6 core cpu
the prices of 7800x3d are so crazy right now, the price went like 80% up in 6 months
I know right! It's crazy, I had a finished plan two months ago and only wanted to wait out black friday... now I need to change it up because the 7800x3d got 200 euros more expensive compared to then (Netherlands).
That's how market economy works. MSRP doesn't matter. Most people don't understand it
I am currently using the 7600x right now and considering upgrading to a 7800x3d cause the internet said it's the best gaming cpu for my 4070super. As of now, the price has more than doubled my 7600x, and I game on 1440p. I play mostly cyberpunk and looking at the benchmark, it's not even worth it anymore.
Why amd??? U were supposed to be the hero that saves us from the evil intel's atrocious prices.
For 4k they are almost the same. If your goal is only play in 4k. The 7600x is the right choice.
Do you have any videos that demonstrate how to make the rivatuner layout the way you use it?
Why 7600x using more Watts than 7800x3d ?
I'd assume it has to put more work in to get the same performance? At least thats my guess
@theholypeanut473 You are correct, looking at the CPU utilization, 7600X is often double compare to 7800X3D, so it is working twice as hard
@@XMG3 probably 7600 without X use less energy.
@@genasgenas I bought the 7600X coz I want to buy a good CPU cooler now for future proofing upgrade in 2028.
@@XMG3 I would replace stock cooler of 7600 anyway. Anyway these 2 cpus are the best value.
Nice video comparison, but what we see here is that the 7600X and 7800X3D are limited by the platform's maximum RAM speed of ~6000MHz, while the 9000 series, with its smaller nanometer process and improved RAM controller, can easily support 6400MHz RAM, offering a performance boost.
EDIT:
th-cam.com/video/btsU-yStArU/w-d-xo.html
This video shows the Ryzen 9 7950X3D paired with 7200 MHz RAM. Despite the higher memory read/write speeds in benchmarks, the gaming FPS remains roughly the same as with lower RAM speeds.
th-cam.com/video/vkoiCfDK1SU/w-d-xo.html
It’s shown that the Ryzen 9 7900X can achieve performance similar to the 7800X3D when using 6400 MHz RAM, closing the gap between the two in gaming.
Conclusion: Possible reasons we aren’t seeing more frames could be: cache efficiency and memory access patterns, loss of CPU cycles, power/thermal throttling within the CPU, the need for a Windows update to better utilize higher RAM speeds in frame generation tasks, or requiring even more CPU cores to achieve higher frame rates.
=> The amount of RAM bandwidth a single CPU core can handle for frame generation could be a limiting factor.
If the game engine and workload can leverage more cores, having additional CPU cores and higher RAM bandwidth could allow the CPU to process more data in parallel, leading to higher frame generation and more frames per second.
The 7600x with its single 6-core chiplet, is the optimal choice if there is no extra 3D cache. Without the additional 3D cache, adding more cores on a separate chiplet does not result in a significant increase in frame rates.
The 7500F exists as an underclocked version and could potentially deliver similar performance to the 7600x
Reviewers have said the memory is about the same 7000 vs 9000 and is believed to be a bottleneck. (Also, when using realistic settings, the GPU.)
Look for memory improvements in the Zen 6 chips, which should yield substantial performance improvements.
9000 vs 7000 improvements come from better X3D cache design, IPC improvements, and frequency gains. Maybe other things as well, IDK, but the improvements seem to be rather unsubstantial outside of the X3D parts, so maybe that's it.
@@miguelito2361
Memory speed does not matter much for a x3d chip. You can check memory speed benchmarks for x3d chips. Difference is a margin of error worth..
@@yosifvidelov
Actually, an X3D chip is valuable because some games aren't properly optimized, such as Star Citizen, Resident Evil 4, and Spider-Man.
In 2024, the optimal price-to-performance PC setup includes the Ryzen 5 7500F OC paired with a 4070 Super or Ti GPU.
The AMD 7000 and 9000 series CPUs struggle with stable 1:1 performance beyond 6400 MHz dual-channel RAM at CL32 timings and change to 2:1 and any benefit is lost in gaming.
For those looking to play less-optimized games, older stable Intel CPUs are a better choice for gaining an extra 10-20 FPS in scenarios where performance hovers around 40-60 FPS with 6000 MHz RAM, as they can efficiently handle and utilize DDR5 RAM speeds of 8200 MHz overpriced memory.
Having an X3D chip to achieve 200-400 FPS in already well-optimized scenarios can be overkill if it still struggles in crowded areas where the extra RAM bandwidth provided by 8000+ MHz is crucial.
With PCIe 5 GPUs on the horizon, we’ll soon find out if higher RAM bandwidth becomes essential. By that time, however, the price of such memory will likely align with the current cost of 2x16GB CL30 6000 MHz kits, which are around $140.
@@yosifvidelov Yeah, that has to do with the inadequate memory controller.
Past 6000-6400, the memory controller quits maintaining a 1:1 clock ratio and instead moves to a 1:2 clock ratio (memory doing 2 clock cycles for every 1 clock cycle from the memory controller), which offsets any performance gains from the fast memory. (Like Mrdaisygrand just said, apparently.)
Zen6 will be able to maintain a 1:1 ratio for higher speed RAM, which will improve performance, especially in production performance.