Ben White's decision to exclude himself from England selection debated | Soccer Saturday
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The Soccer Saturday panel debate Ben White's decision to exclude himself for selection for Gareth Southgate's England squad.
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I like Ben white, you can see he has values. This isn’t about football
He's being stubborn and refusing to play for his country. Why are you happy about it? When did this change?
@@hyywe240what makes u think he has to play for England??? He’s under contract with his club Arsenal not England..If he thinks he doesn’t wanna play for England thats his choice not your headache.
@bishwasghale4865 It has always been a privilege to play for your country. Its always been the pinnacle of football and what every player wants to do. Even if Ben White doesn't wanna do it. Nobody has EVER been praised for turning down england. So what's changed?
looks like you live your life based on what others think thats why you cant comprehend what Ben did.@@hyywe240
@@hyywe240its a privilege yes, but NOT an obligation, if he doesn't wanna be there it opens the door to someone who does. the decision to turn it down is more admirable then going to play if your hearts not in it
Ben White is his own man. He's made his decision, that's it.
Exactly my point. These guys in the studio, surely can’t be saying every player in the world must not think and make his own decision and must just look at what they did and do that.
Yup.
@@4mileseast478the problem is as a player what’s your dream?if it’s not to play for your country that should be is bestest motivation,whatever reason for him to say behind clearly,as not help is course
@@Toks39 Obviously something went on in Qatar. He was taken as a 4th choice right back and 6th choice CB after a long hard season. So are there always 3 injuries for the same position? He had to have said something to the manager like, "Am I just going to waste my time? And imagine what all those CBs thought about Southgate putting Maguire in game after game when he was utter garbage the whole tournament! And Maguire is in the squad again????? I'd be saying F that, no matter how much I wanted to play for England.
@@Pugh.Pugh.BarneyMcGrew I agree. Something went wrong and it is obvious. Funny Ben did not throw Southgate under the bus.
These pundits must watch Ben's interview right after he was selected for the first time. He was buzzing literally and even said he'd cried. It's not like Ben doesn't want to play for England. It's about Southgate & the staff.
So every player has problems I don't get why people are purely blaming Southgate
Look at Ben foster and his issue with Capello
@@HarryKanee Because Southgate was not being candid when he said he had no idea why White didn't want to be considered. Lots of reporting White felt mistreated by Southgate's assistant coach Steve Holland. Southgate tried to put this all on White, which is unfair. Plus, Southgate has his favorites and continues to pick and play them even when they aren't performing.
@HarryKanee I think that because the majority of england fans aren't very smart about football and dislike the best manager in their lifetime, the whole narrative has to change. If it was any other manager or any other nation, they would hate Ben White for being a little baby and turning his back on his country. But the people dislike southgate so much that all of their principles and logic have gone out of the window and they support the fake brown cry baby 😂
Finely someone gets it. Idkn what exactly has gone on begins the doors, rumour of that fight between him & the coach. Leaving wc early for gran or someone dying/ some personal reason, nah something up. Ntm Maggie is picked ahead of him
It's Ben's decision so stop babbling on about it you muppets.
lol
Leave Ben White alone!!
Thank you.
It’s an opinion show, relax.
Leave Rashford alone!
Why. It’s a debate show and we’re commenting on it. Or don’t you want to hurt fragile Bens feelings. Poor geezer, he only earns 6.2 million quid a year for three hours work a day.
Ben is his own man. He made his decision. He probably won't be bothered by the media's reaction (whining)! Last I heard; every individual had a right to decide what is best for them.
Southgate is strangling England's potential to play good football.
Ben is absolutely ✅️ Correct
That is irrelevant, though. Playing for your nation isn't something a normal player turns down.
@@Matt-pn1ce it certainly is not irrelevant
@@Matt-pn1ce he's not a normal player. His view is different on football as a career.
Strangling England's potential 💀 really
Because we were winning so much before Southgate getting so far weren't we🤦 you guys are always disrespecting him
@@HarryKanee
Did England have the most valuable squad in the world before Southgate?
Why are they not mentioning WHY he isn’t wanting to go. We all know why
Yep everyone acting oblivious
I don't know the reason, please tell me :)
@@pablodahech8303south gates 2nd coach was hammering into him in Dubai infront of the team, and questioned his commitment to the sport, while he was in the form of his life at that period.
He asked if he was gonna get any minutes and they said no so he left, Southgate saying he doesn’t know why he doesn’t want to be in the team is a blatant lie
@@pablodahech8303it's cos Steve Holland is a massive tool , so is Southgate
@@1000Tees_ what is wrong g in that? Imagine if the other players asked the same question and reacted as he did?
this is a completly POINTLESS debate when your avoiding the real issues. there clearly been a fall out and these lot are making out its because Ben white doesnt back himself?? if you think thats the case youv'e never really watched ben white play..
That “in-form” question is stupid cos time and again Southgate’s shown that doesn’t matter… he will start Maguire and Hendo 😂
Name any time they let England down in a major tournament
@@HarryKaneeHenderson was the worst player on the pitch v France in the semis, kept hoofing the ball and giving it away
@@1000Tees_ the only reason we lost that match was because of Kane's penalty
None of the players did anything wrong that day
@@HarryKaneeagainst France in the semi final we just had , harry Maguire gave giroud a leg up to score
Clearly this isn't simply Ben White not wanting to represent his country, it's a deeper issue between Gareth Southgate (his team) and Ben White. England's probably got the greatest depth of talent (in every position on the pitch) in living memory, but with Gareth Southgate at the helm, we'll never win anything.
These pundits are so clueless not a single 1 of tgem considered this most likely correct scenario
@@theach84 Why do we think that is 🤔
We were winning so much before Southgate weren't we💀🤦
You guys cry for top manager's we had top manager's in Sven and Capello why didn't we win then 🤷
@HarryKanee because our team was crap, the team didn't get on due to club rivalries and other nations had far better teams than England. The only team at present who may have a better squad now is France. Southgate plays boring negative football, he is the reason we lost the euro final due to poor tactics. How maguire and Henderson make this squad beggers belief
@@HarryKaneeso you agree we've sacked better managers for achieving the same as Southgate?
Just leave Ben alone.... its his life.
Leave Rashford alone!
@@bigmitchtv3922 Completely different players... Rashford has no passion for football!
@@AdonisNineteen99 I don't think refusing to represent your National team which is the greatest honor for a football is a great sign of passion
@@bigmitchtv3922 get off it man Marcus is having a crap season. And Ben White is having a great season. Thats were the passion is and it doesn't even make sense to compare the 2. Marcus is a joke player hes not good enough for a top Side.
Even the other pundits were taking the piss out of merse
“He might regret it”. Apparently he knows Ben White more than Ben White knows himself 😂
Where is the criticism of Southgate in all of this? Top managers (Bielsa, Arteta) have no problem with White and play him every week. This is the same Southgate that started Henderson and Maguire in a World Cup QF against France (that we lost) whilst Trent and Madders were unused substitutes.
🗣️Exactly that
Arteta 😂😂😂
arteta is top of the league u fool
@@Swan94y Yes Arteta you stupid little rentboy
Blaming Southgate yet every player who plays for him at England love him💀
Ok what about Ben foster when he and that one England coach had a problem you lot don't say anything Southgate agenda is so strange
The funny thing is nobody knows the reason why Ben White does not want to play for England at the moment, people are just assuming that it is as simple as Ben does not want to play without thinking that perhaps it is all Southgate’s fault and he Southgate is just doing PR by “inviting Ben to into the squad"
Shouldn’t this panel be questioning Southgate and his assistant for clarity about what happened at the World Cup😳
Exactly..why didnt we address the big elephant in the room? What happened with Gareth Southgate and Ben White in the last World Cup in Qatar? Who leaves midway in a World Cup back home? Something's defintely not right
0:34 "next manager will be the same" no he won't you melt.
The next manager will drop players like Phillips, Maguire, Henderson for Ward-prowse, Tomori, Ben White.
tbf JWP will not be the replacement after the summer, it'll probably be Mainoo.
@@benhicks9481 mainoo is too young. let him get more game time at United for another 2 years and go from there.
When we go back to group stage exits lets see what you'll be saying
Demanding so much pressure of Southgate and the sqaud you're acting like we were winning everything before them
@@HarryKanee you still haven't won anything. If Southgate can't win with this stacked team he should never manage again
We ain't going back to those days@@HarryKanee
Not one of them blamed Southgate smh
Its Mainstream media
How did no one bring up the treatment from the England coaching team to Ben?!?
That's probably the bigger reason than "not wanting to sit on the bench"
These folks are misconstruing removing oneself from a toxic situation for not wanting to play for your country. Unless you all feel like there’s no condition under which you turn down a call from your country, then address the elephant in the room.
There’s nothing to regret here. I am proud of Ben for prioritizing his emotional well-being.
Why should Ben White give up winning actual trophies for his club to go to Germany to sit on the bench and get injured in Pre season plus Safegate got McGuire
Because it’s your country regardless
no@@AL-np5br
@@AL-np5br don't care Southgate should play his favourites and won't win anything. White has every right to refuse the call up.
@@AL-np5br if that was the case there be more players to be picked from then
@@indubioproreo5ramsdales played the same amount of games for England as white is he complaining about the bench
So called favourites that's done better than any England team since 66
Ok why weren't winning before Southgate
This is the difference between older players and players today respect is more important then playing for someone who disrespect you
haha kids nowadays talking like they know about respect more than the older generation. Kids today wouldn't have survived the 80s and 90s
@@slyarsenal Aww did you have a tough time in the 80s and 90s.
What a snowflake
No one would keep working a job for a boos who would disrespect them.. stop talking about the 90s I grew up in the 90s and I a back man
@@tafarimccarthy3162 I back Ben White, but never say kids today understand more about respect than the older generation especially when you're older and should know better
Its clearly not about playing for England per se, its the management regime in place that he has issues with. He was stoked on his first call up. It must be driving him nuts seeing how England football is being run.
If they all just went back & *watched his reaction when he's first called up to National Team* , they will all shut it . That's been said, *you should all address the problem not the person* , let that sink in 👌🏽
Btw just a simple note : *he turned down Southgate , not England* .
They are all ignoring the fact that there is quite obviously more to the story that Southgate has conveniently omitted.
Ben White is under contract to play for Arsenal not England, if he doesn't want to play for England (for whatever reason) that is his decision and has nothing to do with Sky Sport or any of the knucklehead pundits!
If he doesn't want to play then he doesn't want to play, it's not a big deal, there are other players who want to play, move on.
Is it really playing for England or helping those who play for England play? The guy is at the peak of his powers but he knows he is the 4th in line, when will you ever be considered apart from playing friendlies and qualification matches.
Ben White knows all those thing you guys are talking about here. He definitely wants to play at the highest level and represent his country. Conclusion is, something major that he doesn’t like with Southgate and his team, for him to pull out of the World Cup squad and ask to be sent home. Thing is, neither Southgate nor White is telling us what it is or what happened over there. Before we know the full story let’s hold back with the criticism. Don’t just say what you would have done, that’s you not him, you can’t expect the whole world to do what you do, people are different and feel differently about different things.
Carlos Vela did the same for Mexico Best player we had and he quit country football.
We can live without Ben White 😂
Vela is a genius footballer. Snazzy moves at LA right now lol
Ben white is the currently the best RB England have got @@AL-np5br
@@AL-np5brand that is true. He know England has players better than him and he maturely accepting to let part of his career go other than having his time wasted sitting on the bench. He is being a big man here.
It’s not about football.It’s about how he was treated by Southgate. I bet if a new manager comes to England, White would immediately jump on the next bus to the National team.
Ben isn’t sulking! His life, career and choice. Disappointed in Merse here….
he has a tan that needs maintenance and more important than England
Southgate favouritism Pushed Ben White away
Why go when he knows, without a doubt, that Southgate will pick Maguire over him, not matter how he or Maguire is playing, while he can rest up and keep his mind on what lies ahead for his club, in the last leg of this season? If he had a fair chance of playing then you could say that he is wrong not to go with England.
Englands bigger than Southgate, you go to represent your country and play whenever you’re needed.
Exactly what I thought.
Same Maguire who gets into every team of the tournament at a major tournament yh keep the agenda coming it's getting boring now
@@AL-np5br Not in a friendly when your at a club that has a chance of winning something big this year, the first for a very long time and better for him to rest and be ready to do all he can for his team, after last season of them falling by at the end, not worth the risk of injury to sit on a bench watching Maguire f up, as he does for England as well United, but Southgate is blind and so should have been sacked after the last should have won but failed to.
@@abelovedsonofGodinwhomHeis35-6 I agree with a lot of what you said, my opinion is that you should always play for your country when you can no matter what. Thats just my opinion
Why is society what wants more important than what the player wants?
Don't mention the manager and his favoritism at all.
Perhaps it was just this clip, but they didn't allow the lady to finish her sentence, they all jumped in after they'd already spouted their views!
Ah would you stop it. Everyone interrupts everyone. Dont be trying to make it about sexism.
When you dont like the staff and manager, already have had a fallout, why the foook would he want to play for them again? Lets go Ben! Keep that head up high!
None of you are addressing the reason why he has excluded himself
It's Sky, this is their level. I unsubscribed months ago, but I still get this nonsense on my feed.
Dont know why any of them want to keep talking about it when they refuse to discuss there being another side to the story, they are just taking Southgate and the FAs word for it that theres no problem and a lot of people think different. More gaslighting from Sky
Theres clearly been an issue between him and the coaching staff, so he's actually made a good decision as removing himself from the environment doesn't bring down any morale as he clearly doesn't agree with the staff decisions. White should have been picked over Maguire the last 3 years. Even now I'd have Stones and White as our CBs with Walker or TAA as RB.
Removing Maguire cos of your agenda
The same Maguire who's made every team of the tournament at every major tournament
No fan of Ben White but he’s decided what’s right for him so fair play to him. Debate all you want pundits, I’m sure he won’t give two hoots!
Pathetic that’s it’s created this much discussion. Southgate has thrown a player under the bus, that’ll come back to bite him.
I'm sure Ben white would love to play for his country but he definitely doesn't want to under Southgate and that's clear...
Not one of them mentions the fall out between him and Steve Holland. Holland disrespected him withun the group and effectively said he was only there to make up the numbers.
Are they stupid or blinkered.
He cried for an hour when first picked for England so it is not a lack of love for his country.
He had the respect of 3 top managers and his commitment to his club has never been questioned. None of this gets mentioned, just that they wouldn't have done it without any consideation of his position
I personally would have loved to hear the perspective of the one lady on the panel, she was trying to make a valid point before Merson interrupted her.
What is there to debate, the man said himself he doesn't really even like football 😂
Ben White has been honest in the past about seeing football as a job and he is obviously happy earning his living at a top club like Arsenal, without needing the extra workload/time away from family, playing countless meaningless friendlies for a bang average national team.
No one asks themselves, what is the point of him going? To sit on a bench while Maguire plays every minute? It's insulting to a player of Ben's ability to be in that position. I'd rather be sat at home relaxing too if I was him.
Does anyone really know the reason Ben White doesn't want to play for Southgate? Why does everyone keeps saying Ben doesn't want to play for England, of course he does, he just doesn't want to play for Southgate and his Team
Why don't you discuss what must be the reason behind his not wanting to play?
I respect Ben White's decision. It's his choice. Who wants to be in a place you're not valued?
I remember when Sanchez from arsenal to Manchester move he said I wish I could have gone back at arsenal that meant he was not comfortable and for sure he didn't perform to his level the same to Ben white he feels not oky maybe with the coach and staff . I think you should respect his decision Ben we love you and together we be strong
On the day Ben White was announced to have signed a new contract, Southgate spilled this.
The Ben white debate serves as a prime example of why fans youtube TV channels are thriving. These channels actually conduct their research and are held accountable by their viewers. When fan channels lack knowledge on a topic, actual fans hold them responsible. In contrast, traditional British media outlets persistently collaborate with the establishment and institutions, promoting their disturbing agenda.
In my opinion he left the squad mid tournament cause something happened between him and the staff before. He would definitely let himself available once Southgate leaves.
It is so funny to see/hear six people talk around an issue and never come close to approaching it. Benjamin White is not turning down an opportunity to play for England, he's just refusing to play for Gareth Southgate.
Where was this inquiry and debate when he left Qatar?
If I were Ben, I will make the same decision. Southgate will choose his favourite Harry McGuire to play even if Harry isn’t playing regularly in MU. Ben White will be benched again till the end. Southgate has his favourite players, he will not play the others no matter how good form they were in. The others are there to make up the required numbers.
It's not because Ben White's not playing, it's because he doesn't respect Southgate and Holland.
A case of being loved and respected by the Arsenal set-up and Arteta . He must feel the shortfall with Southgate.
everyone keeps ignoring the reason why he left the team in the first place, he didn't leave because he wasn't getting any minutes at rb or because harry migure start over him haha. he left because he had a fall out with one of the coaches and people ignoring that part ben was disrespected and he dosent want to go back
He should be the starting right center back
Simply he doesn’t respect the management and the coach , why would you , second rate , wouldn’t get a job managing g / coaching any premier league team worth its salt
He's obviously had a falling out with Southgate and his management team, why's everyone making as if he's arbitrarily deciding not to play for England. When he got his debut back at Brighton he even said its the biggest dream any kid could have so clearly he prides himself playing for England.
I am from Romania and we had some powerful players like Hagi (Barca Captain).In his time putting the national t-shirt was his most powerful motivation. He live for the National team
Have anyone of you on panel heard Benjamin White's side of the story, or you just sit down there in studio and start passing judgement because you just heard from Southgate? Please, let's try and respect White's decision
Ben is the best RB in the league currently but will not get past walker or Trent because of southgate and holland regardless of form
It's obvious that the issue is on Southgate side and there is a fallout. Southgate threw Ben White under the bus and somehow Ben White is the bad guy, smh
It is his decision he may or may not regret it but its his decision, would help though if he explained why then it would be easier to give a better opinion
You guys have all been hypocritical about this situation. Let it go. Move. None of us know exactly what happened in Qatar. Managers are supposed to defend players, but Southgate hasn't done that. Why isn't he questioned?
Club first, more players need to be like this
People should ask the technical team management to come clean on what happened the last time when at the world cup in Qatar.
That's issue has to be resolved first.
I personally think him and southgate have had a fall out about something behind closed doors.
He can play Centre Back and Maguire playing over him, hell i wouldn't want to be there either if that's the case
Maguire is way better you're right😂
You lot switch up so fast cos every major tournament you're praising Maguire
Southgate is the main focal point of the problem why Ben White doesn't want to play. He wants to play for england but if southgate is there no way. Just respect . All your opinions are just bulocs
Why would you go? To clean the bench??? Let them play Trent and others who they think they better , but Ben White is better
There is a backstory here that people don’t know.
Imagine Harry Maguire playing ahead of you anywhere across the back line, listening to guys wanting the call up just to go hang out with the England squad is just why these golden gen won't win anything. Ben is just pointing it out
You can't say its all about merit & then do otherwise😢😢😢 why should marguire starr ahead of him in the first place????
Waffling about the wrong reasons. Why isn’t anyone bringing up Southgate?
Respect is everything🔴⚪
Would love to have seen the Ben White / Saka link-up for England. Such a great connection at Arsenal...
Benny blanco knows his worth. To hell with the national team......😂
because he is a free man and he gets to make the decisions about his life. What more needs to be discussed. He isn't born into slavery to represent his country. Maybe the questions should go to gareth soutgate as to why he has created an environment in the england dressing room where a top player in his peak doesn't want to join?
Grealish Foden(F9) Eze
Maddison Bellingham Palmer
RicoLewis(IFB) Stones White Trent(IFB)
Ramsdale
On the bench, Pickford Shaw Colwill Guehi Rice JoeGomez TommyDoyle Elliot SmithRowe Saka OmariHutchinson Bowen Sancho Sterling
Manager, someone who has previously played under or worked with Pep. Ex spanish players and LaMasia graduates are preferable.
Tactics, 09-12 Barcelona, 17-20 ManCity, tiki taka.
This team just gonna get run over😂
How physical were Iniesta, Xavi and Busquets?
Imagine if Trent had done this? He'd have been hung out to dry. More players need to quit playing for England. Clubs are where the real passion is, unless you're from London or the south no one cares about England.
I back Ben White. This is about the way Southgate's assistant Steve Holland spoke to him. So disrespectful and out of order. Who does he think he is? Holland needs to check himself.
Not about football or wanting to play. Something has happened within the squad and Southgate has not been able to resolve it.
We can't blame Ben white. If there was any chance for Ben white to play that was in the last worldcup ahead of Maguire and he hardly got a kick.. So he knows he won't play if Southgate is the manager. So he decided not to go!! That's the right decision.. Problem is Southgate and his favouritism.. Ben white is a warrior.. His action speaks volumes
Not one of these 'experts' actually knows his reasons. They're all just debating nothing in an echo chamber.
Maybe for him instead of going n sitting on the bench he wld rather spend that time with his family and that’s priceless.
You can't discuss Ben White's decision without discussing the real potential reasons why he decided not to go. Has nothing to do with starting games and we all know that. Respect a man's decision
If I, the world and their grandMas know I am better than most of the players the incompetent Southgate favours and I have wasted my time a few times trying to get in ahead of McGuire etc and can't get a sniff, why the hell would I go back?
Paul Merson doesn't know what he is talking about. Leave the man alone. It's his decision
This group of people didn't do justice to the conversation..... He went for the world cup and was sent home, he has felt that joy and someone switched off the spark. No one is asking what happened
how would u feel if you have player in ur football club team and does not enjoy playing football or care about ur club but he is really good player and makes to difference to the team. Would you want him out of your club?
Paul... They go to play not warm the bench...
I very very rarely seek to make a racial comment on TH-cam because it will always be twisted and assumed the worst. But there's this great sadness in the pit of my stomach that if he were a black Englishman with his skillset and calibre, his "Englishness" would be questioned; his loyalty to his country would be judged; how disrespectful it is to the King and to country etc. The usual nationalism parroting. Credit to Ben White for standing on what he believes is right. That's all this is. A disagreement between him and management. Something we all can salute for an employee standing up for himself. But if he were not a white Englishman, I fear the conversation topics would be far more polarising.
But he isn't a black Englishman is he?He's white...Ben white😁Stupid bringing colour into it...but not surprised as race gets mentioned way too much when it's got nothing to do with it!
Luckily, there are several strong options in that position - this should only be a pressing issue if there was a shortage lol.
Leave him alone! It ain't for pundits and random folks to decide who wanna play, Ben is his own man and possibly the best RB in the league
These pundits are ridiculous. It’s not about the minutes. Fools. Talk about Southgate
you never know with football, couple of injuries or a red card to first choice players and suddenly the England manager offer you the chance to play for England against players like Mbappe, Ronaldo, Messi or any other world class player ...... and Ben White closed the door to that possibility by saying no. Even if a player does not play, just by watching the best of the best playing during a tournament, that player will come out with something to become a better player. At the end of the day that is his choice.