This is the same person who doesn't watch any football but plays it at a professional level. To think that he would care about your opinions is absolutely ridiculous.
@@simonc4077Southgate's favourite player is Maguire. Can you imagine that? Ben can play at Maguire position too, and Arsenal bought Ben White for CB, not RB. Because Saliba, he change position to RB. And i think Ben White don't want play at England because the staff. Maybe when Southgate go, he can play for England.
@@joshuaw9675not wanting to play while Southgate is there and Southgate Choosing his favourite players inst the same thing. But I also think it must be incredibly stressful and hard decision to make. On one hand going into a team where your probably not going to play much and if you do it wouldn’t be in your preferred position. On the other hand receiving/being a call to play for your country.
@@sim0n17still GUTS! Means you don't even give a f*** that Gareth is the manager. He won't even give him that respect of responding to the call up himself... BIG BIG GUTS!😂
Message to Simon Jordan: U say don't care, u don't know what's gone on, and it's up to him. Then u proceed to slam him and give an opinion on it. You ain't as bright as you make yourself out to be.
Simon swindles the cab driver listeners of Talk sports with phrases & Idioms that try’s to make him appear smarter than he is. All you have to do is listen to what he says clearly and you’ll realise it’s mostly verbal diarrhoea 🥴🥴
@@dboydayo_That's true actually. He misuses words fairly often and he just assumes, rightly, that no other guest or host is smart enough to correct him. He's a pig among guinea pigs.
100%. His attempts to sound intelligent are, at this point, actually quite hilarious. It's just an endless word salad, culminating in a pointless opinion. Whereas Danny Murphy has a reasoned response that is actually genuinely insightful and interesting.
He isn't rejecting England he is rejecting Southgate and his team. He is frustrated. And has been disrespected publicly on multiple occasions for things that have nothing to do with his dedication. Not watching enough Crewe Alexandra or Chelsea reserves games and having a tan. There are players that need to pull their socks up. But Ben white is not one. So he has made a personal decision. Arsenal have a chance to go the distance and getting called up to be publicly flogged is not what he is looking for. But he left it open "at this time" otherwise he would have said "I'm retiring" I thought Ben White is actually are best option for our CB problem. Southgate is on his last life now 100% the board feared sacking him because they think he is responsible for the change in England's fortunes. It's never been Southgate it's been the MASSIVE investment in grass roots that has changed everything. English players are spilling from the bucket into all the top leagues. But we know that managers are not.
Gareth wants a squad option without benching Macguire... Also guys like Ben White get to experience the worst of international days. They dont get play time but get blame as they are a part of the squad. Imagine the years Baines and Milner put in. But atleast they had ashley cole and Lampard/Gerard ahead of them. Ben White can do nothing to get minuites over Macguire.
@@zerionis Well no that doesn’t necessarily follow does it. I’d wager a lot of them would jump at the chance to play for England under a more competent manager.
@@santanoschsantosch3016 I get it. But it just irks me to see such a promising generation of English talent being utterly wasted on a less than mediocre manager.
@jackbrooking4754 mate international football is different hence why capello was awful for England and christ joachim low was a caretaker like southgate with a poor cv and he still won a world cup
This is so weird now. Guys in their 40s-70s can't let this go. This is what happens when a sports platform hires people who don't have the ability to actually analyze football.
There should be a natural sense of doing your duty to your country is why. By that rationale, there'd never be any subs. The issue it that BW alleges he was mistreated by staff, which should be the only point of discussion. If he was, then him choosing to sit out is fair enough. Honestly, it seems like Southgate is way of his depth. He should have at least 1 or 2 major international trophies by now. His selections are too often based on who he already has comfortable relationships with and his tactics are dull. He takes the best team in the world and makes them look average. Personally I wish England had almost anyone else in charge.
@@Abdi-libaax but you have to play a certain way with maguire. He can't do the high press as he gets caught out. Southgate is a bang average manager, playing old tactics.
Everyone is angry hes not playing, saying he should represent his country. Why dont they go join the army and represent their country if its so important
Agree that's exactly what it sounds like, although it may just be that Southgate was told by England Management to be very careful about what he said so he ended up waffling a bit. Found it interesting that he also specifically mentioned Steve Holland - possibly a sign that he is also under orders to protect Steve Holland's position possibly in case FIFA ask for an explanation. Also interesting that Southgate got the news from Edu - again probably Arsenal protecting their own position by making it 100% clear that the club was not preventing BW from being available (which I think would make them liable for action by England / FIFA).
Idk why everyone keeps talking about Ben white not dealing with “hardship” of international football. It’s CLEARLY a personal issue with Southgate and his staff!
Which is insane cause this is the same Ben White who made it up the ranks from Newport County, Peterborough, Leeds, Brighton to Arsenal slugging it out in League 1 and Championship. Clearly he knows how to fight his way to the top no matter the challenges
@@strider775Ben Whites hasn't been great has it? Also, the CB partnership seems to be set on Maguire and Stones. The right back position, he'd be 4th in pecking order.
Everyone wants to rip apart White, but are happily avoiding the poor nature of Southgate's selection nonsense, and how this effects in form, consistent players.
With the previous squads no one was interested in whether Ben White was selected or not. Now he's one of the best Full Backs in the Premier League everyone has an opinion because he has said no to Southgate.
That’s like saying there are better knives for cutting a steak than a Swiss Army knife lol. He’s not just a RB he’s an excellent CB and can also be used as a CDM. Have you actually seen him play?!
@ivanaleksandartsanev1693 you may be onto something. Tomori is also an option. You can't win tournaments with maguire at CB. 4th choice cb or drop him from squad entirely.
@@jbo4547 Everyone on the planet is better than that bum Snorlax injury merchant Reece. 33 apparances in 2 seasons so far where Ben White has 85, it's time to stop the Reece James talk. He's finished. Ya know what they say about availability being the best ability.
Ben White is the perfect gentleman for not coming out with anything against the national team, the coach has done the exact opposite! He will play as soon as we rid of Southgate, he's not going to win anything the way he manages the team.
Question for these old heads is, would you go and work for a boss you don't like? Just because you attach a country flag for it doesn't he has to go do something he isn't happy about. I'll be upset too if I see guys who isn't playing as well as me get loads of mins and playing time and in just sitting here like what the heck?!
To quote an NFL head coach "we want volunteers, not hostages". If he doesn't want to play then respect his decision and move on. Ben White not playing will have no bearing on England's success in the Euro's. Good but not great.
@@F--B He’s won the FA cup in his first season mate. If you don’t consider that a major trophy what has football come to? And the community shield of course So by definition he has won trophies
@Squidward-jv7go are you really trying to make the case that a single FA cup win puts him at the level of Klopp? Roberto Martinez won the FA Cup. Is he elite?
You don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to come to the conclusion that whatever the problem was that led to him leaving the World Cup camp is still around, be it at home or within the England set up.
3 years is a long time in football… He wanted to play for England, and now he doesn’t. Move on and leave him alone! People talk down on him as a right back and now the same people are giving him stick because he has removed himself from the limelight
Ben White isn't a soft player like there trying to describe. Every teammate at Arsenal raves about Ben White toughness & mentality. Every Arsenal players first words about him is he's a warrior, Arteta described him as that as well. These aren't just his mates who knew him growing up or his background but players from many different countries & top class players who all identified that quality about him. White debut season for Arsenal when Arsenal were fighting for top 4 back end of the season was playing through a grade 2 hamstring. Always made himself available. This season he's played through knee injuries. Ben White is someone who most of his early childhood was in & out of hospitals, he suffered from an extremely weak immune system, he was always ill, allergic to many things and possibility of having a quality life was slim let alone playing football. He then overcame that, signed by Southampton at age 10, worked his way up before eventually being released at 16. He's very resilient character, who loved playing football. He was then picked up by Brighton, had to work himself up playing league 2, League 1 and Championship. He never got anything easy, never heralded as great talent. He was never picked by England at any of the youth levels. During his loan to Leeds he helped them get promoted to the PL for the first time in 16 years, White played every second of that season. Even then he saw teammate Kalvin Philips get picked while in the championship for England while he didn't get a look in. He then played 1 excellent season in the PL at Brighton when he finally got called up. He only played for Brighton the season before he signed for Arsenal, was always out on loan before then to many clubs. The idea that he didn't want to sit on a bench during a world cup is just flat out not true. No club had issues with Ben White from League 1 loans to championship, to playing in PL and now at Arsenal. League 2 or league 1 clubs are less excepting of a teenager from PL club coming into there changing room with any arrogance or entitlements. England camp is extremely welcoming environment. Ben issue was with specifically with Steve Holland who disrespected him & tried to shame him in front of the group. I think him pretending like nothing happened & just coming back is a sign of weakness, instead he's backing himself even at the expense of media backlash. When Southgate spoke with White post world cup, him saying there was clearly still hard feeling about the issue should tell people it's not about minutes or sitting on a bench. Always Southgate backing his mate Steve Holland by gaslighting the media by saying there's no issue between White and Steve Holland and it's just White is why he doesn't want to play for England.
Seems very logical to me. White is tougher than most people think. He even know knows already that he will get abused in the league but is determined to take it.
representing your country isn't necessarily the most important thing for many footballers, people need to get over it. Club football has taken away from the allure of the international game. It doesn't make Ben White a criminal. It's better that he is clear that he doesn't want to play, that way no-one's time gets wasted. I seem to recall Ferguson and Effenberg declining to play for their countries after initially doing so, hardly a new development.
The absolute lack of even a thought of responsibility and blame on Southgate and his lackies is mind-boggling. England has never won a WC in his lifetime let alone his tenure. Some of the best talent in the world the last 30 years and nothing to show for it. Stop pretending England gaffers, recently Southgate, walk on water and can’t be criticized. They have failed miserably with the talent they have had. Why should Ben White feel honored to do anything that man tells him to do? These pundits are delusional if they think embarrassing themselves in international competitions should be an honor for these players and there are no excuses to the contrary. Absolute rubbish.
Some of the best talent in the world the last 30 years and nothing to show for it because unsurprisingly Bottle it Like Bukayo bottled it from 12 yards Oh how we laughed!
The fact Tamori didn't even get a look while Braithwaite got a call up tells you Southgate has an issue at cb. At cb he values loyalty over performance, Southgate out.
Southgate is an absolute disgrace for throwing Ben white to the wolves of the public, media and online scrutiny. Nobody owes their country anything whether that is in terms of fighting for your country or playing a simple game of football.
International football isn’t the pinnacle people say it is. Friendlies and qualification is boring football to watch. On top of that throw in Southgate’s style of football. Snooze fest
These people have an awful lot to say about the situation, considering none of them has a clue as to what the real reason behind Ben White’s decision is.
A few days ago it was "we don't know the full story so we can't elaborate on it" but all they've done is elaborate on things they don't know. He doesn't want to play for southgate, that's HIS CHOICE. The media hate the fact that he doesn't give them what they want, more power to him.
If more players felt the same way as White does, Southgate wouldn't have favourites and would play players on form. Constantly picking Maguire, Henderson, Sterling and Phillips is pathetic.
One day the truth will come out, and my assumption is Ben White will be owed an apology from many people. Southgate handling of this situation and being a media puppet is exactly why he will never be a top manager. Top managers protect players. They don't chuck them under a bus. Southgate knows first-hand what it's like to have a country talk about you, and he's put Ben White in exactly the same position. The sooner Southgate is gone, the sooner England can win something
No one is considering hes playing with a knee injury at the minute. He knows he wont play for England even if hes in the squad and so hes focusing thia week into rehab to prepare him for the last 2 months of the season
Don't people get it? He has fallen out with the England staff, staff accused him not integrating into the squad. Then they were digging him out with notes, he and Steve Holland fell out and everyone decided it's best for Ben to leave the squad. Gareth is a LIAR to say there is no problems. The kid wants to play for England but not under this set up. If everyone felt he had to leave the squad then why all of a sudden would he want to play for this manager again and come sit on the bench for a manager and coaching stuff he does not get on with.
Considering no one knows all the facts about this situation it amazes me that everyone has an opinion and want to judge his character. Lots of other players have done similar things and no one bats an eyelid
But what does playing for your country mean these days? Going to play for England and never being being picked can be draining on someone's mental health, the manager said he would pick players on form but doesn't pick players on form so why would you keep going
I wouldn’t want to play for Gareth either He’s clueless And picks his little favourites Why would Ben bother And Simon just for you You’ve never played football At any decent level ever So you have no idea what it’s like So stop commenting as if you have a clue You splinter 🤦♂️
The only entitlement here is contained in the panel. Its his life. He can do whatever he likes and you have no right to know about his personal circumstances
Ben White is a tremendous player for his club. Arsenal have been competing for 2 seasons now. He is only being asked to go along with the squad. He won’t start any games even if he went. So what is wrong with saying no when you won’t start games. Walker. Trippier. James, Arnold will start before him. Southgate won’t start him as a CB because McGuire is his go to. Ben is simply saying stop wasting my time. I am not coming to sit the bench!
Exactly. Why would you want to be dragged off for a week in Kraplakistan knowing in advance you won't even get one minute because Southgate never drops his favourites, even if they're not playing for their club. Who wants to spend a week away from home with people you don't necessarily like, only to never have your commitment rewarded? Sack that. Be at home with your family, training with your club, sleeping in your own bed and not having to share a hotel room with Jack Grealish or Harry Maguire.
It’s funny how many of these same pundits and fans criticising White will also moan when players from other countries go play internationals when it might impact their clubs.
Southgate picks Maguire regardless. James, Tripper, Arnold, Walker, even Shaw at right back would be played ahead of White despite White being on the best form and having a partnership with Saka for his club
Yeah, Danny Murphy almost hits the nail on the head but - he knew the other players in his position were better than him! - White is not in the same position. BW is better than 90% of the England backline and still will not play!
Fuck..o Simon, why does he have to play for his country? That's his choice not to play. Why are people slaughtering him? It could be a number of reasons why he's not decided to play for Southgate"s squad.
I didnt realise it is an honour to sit on the bench in a pointless international knowing you dont have a chance of playing because you are not one of Southgate's favourites.
My respect for Southgate unfortunately has gone down. He must have known how the crowd will react. As for Simon pontificating about everything on earth, should give it a rest. White should be given the freedom of his own decision.
I very very rarely seek to make a racial comment on TH-cam because it will always be twisted and assumed the worst. But there's this great sadness in the pit of my stomach that if he were a black Englishman with his skillset and calibre, his "Englishness" would be questioned; his loyalty to his country would be judged; how disrespectful it is to the King and to country etc. The usual nationalism parroting. Credit to Ben White for standing on what he believes is right. That's all this is. A disagreement between him and management. Something we all can salute for an employee standing up for himself. But if he were not a white Englishman, I fear the conversation topics would be far more polarising. And as an Englishman, it saddens me that this thought came to my mind. Apologies if I'm overthinking.
You guys sound hurt😂😂it's not a must he plays for England or explain why. It's his life. Move on!!!...stop hating. Just because you don't like his decision doesn't mean he'll regret it
Fools and scoundrels waffling and raging about a situation where we do not have all the facts in front of us. Why not hold your fire until one day all the information is available to us ✌🏼🙏🏼
@@adtastic1533agreed. From a gooner and 33. So white would get a chance. It cannot be the reason. It has to do with the staff. I did the same mind you on amateur level cause our than manager just picked his favorite. From there on i rather played for the second team without beeing grumpy but the manager didn't exist for me anymore. Game over. I guess it's something similar.
Its blatently obvious that Ben just doesnt want to get injured on international duty & then not be available for my fantasy league team. Bens got his priorities in order is all.
It's not about entitlement. Being called up doesn't mean the world for people. Understand the human, who just wants to play football in his own time for his club and that is it. PERIOD. He is not walking like a duck or talking like a duck. He is so much more mature than any of you clowns who are talking from "retrospect". He doesn't subscribe to your idea of entitlement. That's Ben White.
It amazes me that someone like Simon Jordan, to my eyes the epitome of middle class privilege, who I doubt ever faced any adversity in his life, can say with a straight face that Ben White, a person who has overcome real adversity in his life, should show "backbone" and wait for his chance for England. What a muppet.
This conversation is an absolute nonsense. Firstly Benjamin White didn't say he didn't want to play for England, Edu informed that that he didn't wish to be selected at this time. Something has clearly gone on at the World Cup so for Gareth Southgate to come out and say nothing has happened as far as he's aware and doesn't know why there's any apprehension from Benjamin is both cowardly and disingenuous, who would want to play for a manger that wants to preserve themselves and make themselves look good in front of the media than delve into the truth. Why is all the responsibility of the truth coming out being put on the shoulder of Benjamin when it's in the Managers job remit to mange and communicate these situations to the necessary publication. Now in respect to Simon saying if we knew what the issue is would could treat this with more sympathy, well Englands official communication when he left the World Cup squad was "due to personal reason" since then the statement hasn't changed and hasn't been elaborated on, so Simon and all other broadcasters need to be treating this issue with sensitivity as personal reasons have been sighted as to why Benjamin doesn't want to be in the squad. Now talking about he's going to learn and get better being in the England squad. Benjamin Plays in a team that is currently going toe to toe with a great Liverpool team and A World Class Man City team, he trains daily with some world class players and a squad full of internationals under a manger who in most peoples eyes is superior tactically and than Gareth so regardless whether he's in that England Squad or not it would be argued that he's bound to learn more staying with his club than going to England for 2 weeks. The coverage around this has been so disappointing and dangerous, Jim stopped short of threatening a person who's Job requires him to be exposed and judged in front of thousands in stadiums and millions world wide when he said tell us or we're not going to stop. This is no longer reporting but a witch hunt and it's a disgrace it's been allowed to continue! This is getting dangerous now and people need to start to remember their place and level of influence they posses and act accordingly. You're now playing with a young mans career, mental well being and potential physical well being (you can't be sure how people on the street may act after listening to this dross reporting) for entertainment and TH-cam clicks.... Disgusting!
I'm not sure if Danny is just that naive or he is deliberately trying to misdirect fans. Ben White abruptly left the squad in Qatar. He went there knowing Walker and Trippier were ahead of him. He didn't abruptly leave because he suddenly realized he's unlikely to start games. There's obviously something that happened
At the end of the day, Ben has every right to decline the opportunity to represent his country. He doesn’t owe anyone an explanation. We are beyond the days when this was an amateur sport. His career is a business, his body is a commodity, and as the business owner, he has a right to allocate his resources as he sees fit. Complain about the market application all you like, but it’s still not really any of your business.
I see there's no more news other than Ben White 😅! Grown men belabouring the same issue. These are the same people that like to make and take their own decisions sweating over a choice made by someone that really doesn't care. Benny is made even if he stops playing today. Football is just a game, it's not a do or die affair. I came here to just to drop this comment 😂.
1) Kyle Walker could get injured in Quarter finals and White could play massive part as right side of back 3 2) I do not think he gets on with squad 3) I think Holland and White do not get along 4) when England have new coach and set up it is a different story - I think he then will be open to be picked
Time better spent with his family instead of sitting on a bench for Southgate...who knows what went on between them...Southgate has a track record of poor man management....I'm surprised Grealish didn't stick two fingers up to him after his poor treatment.
Simon's argument doesn't make sense... so it's sad that he won't be in the same England team that you consider him a peripheral player in, and apparently it's not much of a loss anyway cuz he's a third rate player? So what's your angle? Also no wonder he agrees with Redknapp cuz they're both nationalist dinosaurs... playing for England doesn't have the same lustre as it used to, especially when you're travelling across the world and using up energy to sit on the bench when you can maintain full fitness to play for the club you play an active part in
Ben White is objectively a better player than some of the players that Southgate plays ahead of him, he's wasting his time going on international duty with Southgate. leave him alone, he knows his own value and has enough respect to hold others to account.
Keep spinning those narratives and no you’re not entitled to know and perhaps Simon, if you don’t want to waste time with him, then have some conviction and tell your producer to not cover the subject anymore. 😴
Simon Jordan is right, trust is incredibly important in football, he just forgets that trust has to go both ways. Ben White's consistency playing for a top tier Arsenal team proves he's a player that can be trusted, and Arteta is ruthless with who plays for him. His reaction to his first call up makes me believe in his pride and passion for England, but he also doesn't abide any fools. If he thinks the England coaching staff are a bunch of clowns, he's #3 after Walker and TAA at RB, not getting a sniff at CB because Maguire has some blackmail on Southgate or something, I understand not wanting to risk injury in training and all the travel when you got a chance to rest during a title race and UCL.
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This is the same person who doesn't watch any football but plays it at a professional level. To think that he would care about your opinions is absolutely ridiculous.
Spot on
That’s a ridiculous comment. You’d be surprised how many footballers don’t watch football. Stop being ignorant.
@@TJTOPBOY I'm fairly certain you misundertood his point ...
@@menaceclanlol he clearly did🤦🏾♂️. For some reason thinks he made a valid point
Fact is you can’t play your way into Gareth Southgate’s plans. He has his favourites and nothing can be done about it.
Show me a manager who doesnt play his favourites
@@simonc4077There you go then, people can’t complain when he doesn’t want to play while Southgate is there
@@simonc4077 Julian Nagelsmann is the ideal case of selection on merit than favoritism. Look at his recent team selection for example
@@simonc4077Southgate's favourite player is Maguire. Can you imagine that? Ben can play at Maguire position too, and Arsenal bought Ben White for CB, not RB. Because Saliba, he change position to RB. And i think Ben White don't want play at England because the staff. Maybe when Southgate go, he can play for England.
@@joshuaw9675not wanting to play while Southgate is there and Southgate Choosing his favourite players inst the same thing.
But I also think it must be incredibly stressful and hard decision to make. On one hand going into a team where your probably not going to play much and if you do it wouldn’t be in your preferred position.
On the other hand receiving/being a call to play for your country.
Harry Redknapp has said players asked him to help get them out of playing for England. At least Ben has got some guts in saying no.
@@sim0n17 Stick to guitars Simon.
@@sim0n17still GUTS!
Means you don't even give a f*** that Gareth is the manager. He won't even give him that respect of responding to the call up himself...
BIG BIG GUTS!😂
Thats disrespect , not guts/courage , you have plenty to learn@@manuelagyapon6036
End of day, england don’t pay his wages. Yes their will be bonuses, but that’s if they win and play.
Who cares, he decided already. Move on lol
Message to Simon Jordan: U say don't care, u don't know what's gone on, and it's up to him. Then u proceed to slam him and give an opinion on it. You ain't as bright as you make yourself out to be.
Simon swindles the cab driver listeners of Talk sports with phrases & Idioms that try’s to make him appear smarter than he is.
All you have to do is listen to what he says clearly and you’ll realise it’s mostly verbal diarrhoea 🥴🥴
True, it's pseudo intellectual
@@dboydayo_That's true actually. He misuses words fairly often and he just assumes, rightly, that no other guest or host is smart enough to correct him. He's a pig among guinea pigs.
Just the loudest voice in the room
100%. His attempts to sound intelligent are, at this point, actually quite hilarious. It's just an endless word salad, culminating in a pointless opinion. Whereas Danny Murphy has a reasoned response that is actually genuinely insightful and interesting.
He isn't rejecting England he is rejecting Southgate and his team. He is frustrated. And has been disrespected publicly on multiple occasions for things that have nothing to do with his dedication. Not watching enough Crewe Alexandra or Chelsea reserves games and having a tan. There are players that need to pull their socks up. But Ben white is not one. So he has made a personal decision. Arsenal have a chance to go the distance and getting called up to be publicly flogged is not what he is looking for. But he left it open "at this time" otherwise he would have said "I'm retiring" I thought Ben White is actually are best option for our CB problem. Southgate is on his last life now 100% the board feared sacking him because they think he is responsible for the change in England's fortunes. It's never been Southgate it's been the MASSIVE investment in grass roots that has changed everything. English players are spilling from the bucket into all the top leagues. But we know that managers are not.
and having your manager try and out you as gay even if he is or not its not southgates choice
listen again, Southgate said he doesnt know FULLY why , means he knows, but doesn't agree
The player should say what it is
@@MD_ENTERTAINMENTwhy should he?
@@unknownm5732 so people can know exactly what it is, it could easily make people change their opinion of him
Agree. Most likely something happened with BW and Southgate’s staff during the World Cup. Funny how SJ doesn’t question Southgate and his staffs.
Gareth wants a squad option without benching Macguire... Also guys like Ben White get to experience the worst of international days. They dont get play time but get blame as they are a part of the squad.
Imagine the years Baines and Milner put in. But atleast they had ashley cole and Lampard/Gerard ahead of them. Ben White can do nothing to get minuites over Macguire.
Who the hell would want to play under Southgate seriously.
Literally all the players except from Ben white😂
@@zerionis Well no that doesn’t necessarily follow does it. I’d wager a lot of them would jump at the chance to play for England under a more competent manager.
@@santanoschsantosch3016 I get it. But it just irks me to see such a promising generation of English talent being utterly wasted on a less than mediocre manager.
@jackbrooking4754 mate international football is different hence why capello was awful for England and christ joachim low was a caretaker like southgate with a poor cv and he still won a world cup
You're not playing for Southgate you are playing for England
This is so weird now. Guys in their 40s-70s can't let this go. This is what happens when a sports platform hires people who don't have the ability to actually analyze football.
that's because talksport is an entertainment radio station, not a serious sports talk radio show, I'm surprised so many still don't understand this.
Unless they make it controversial, it does not sell..
He's quite right. Why sacrifice your holidays after a long season to sit on the bench with virtually no chance of playing?
It's called 'grit.' Zoomers don't understand the concept.
There should be a natural sense of doing your duty to your country is why. By that rationale, there'd never be any subs. The issue it that BW alleges he was mistreated by staff, which should be the only point of discussion. If he was, then him choosing to sit out is fair enough.
Honestly, it seems like Southgate is way of his depth. He should have at least 1 or 2 major international trophies by now. His selections are too often based on who he already has comfortable relationships with and his tactics are dull. He takes the best team in the world and makes them look average. Personally I wish England had almost anyone else in charge.
What an attitude to take....me, me, me. That's why this country is going to the dogs with people who take that attitude
@MrPhantom1961 "there is no such thing as society"
@@ryanandrew102WTF.
It must be boring going to England camp and seeing old block head maguire chosen ahead of you. The England camp is riddled with nepotism.
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Yep n Philips n Henderson go smh
To be fair Maguire has been alright for England. defender of the Euro’s if you remember.
@@Abdi-libaax but you have to play a certain way with maguire. He can't do the high press as he gets caught out. Southgate is a bang average manager, playing old tactics.
Maguire actually been playing well this year 😂
Everyone is angry hes not playing, saying he should represent his country. Why dont they go join the army and represent their country if its so important
sounds like Southgate is trying to shift the blame back onto Ben White to save himself.
Agree that's exactly what it sounds like, although it may just be that Southgate was told by England Management to be very careful about what he said so he ended up waffling a bit. Found it interesting that he also specifically mentioned Steve Holland - possibly a sign that he is also under orders to protect Steve Holland's position possibly in case FIFA ask for an explanation. Also interesting that Southgate got the news from Edu - again probably Arsenal protecting their own position by making it 100% clear that the club was not preventing BW from being available (which I think would make them liable for action by England / FIFA).
Danny Murphy making a very logical argument and Simon just getting aggressive again. Horrible man
Idk why everyone keeps talking about Ben white not dealing with “hardship” of international football. It’s CLEARLY a personal issue with Southgate and his staff!
Which is insane cause this is the same Ben White who made it up the ranks from Newport County, Peterborough, Leeds, Brighton to Arsenal slugging it out in League 1 and Championship. Clearly he knows how to fight his way to the top no matter the challenges
Paul Scholes retired from England at his peak. No fuss about Scholes.
No fuss about Scholes because his international career was abysmal!
There was at the time
@@strider775Ben Whites hasn't been great has it? Also, the CB partnership seems to be set on Maguire and Stones. The right back position, he'd be 4th in pecking order.
@@fullair24 init there defo was haha
Scholes quit because Ericsson putting him on left mid and Gerrard and lampard through the middle. England's best central midfielder at left mid.
ALWAYS two stories, stop demonishing Ben White!!!
Why not just come out and say the reason?
@@TimmyRipkey-zj7sgto busy getting a spray tan and asking his mam to put slits in his eyebrows
Everyone wants to rip apart White, but are happily avoiding the poor nature of Southgate's selection nonsense, and how this effects in form, consistent players.
3 side= his side, their side and the truth….
@@SC..28you don’t turn down England even if that were the case .
Just keep doing you Ben 🎉
With the previous squads no one was interested in whether Ben White was selected or not. Now he's one of the best Full Backs in the Premier League everyone has an opinion because he has said no to Southgate.
Southgate plays favorites regardless of form but let one player say no it becomes pearl clutching time
This is what happened when you don’t have a meritocracy players don’t feel they will be judged fairly
He has never ever been better than Walker, Trent, and Reece James
@@jbo4547 He should play CB with Stones, better and more athletic than Maguire.
That’s like saying there are better knives for cutting a steak than a Swiss Army knife lol. He’s not just a RB he’s an excellent CB and can also be used as a CDM. Have you actually seen him play?!
@ivanaleksandartsanev1693 you may be onto something. Tomori is also an option.
You can't win tournaments with maguire at CB. 4th choice cb or drop him from squad entirely.
@@jbo4547 Everyone on the planet is better than that bum Snorlax injury merchant Reece. 33 apparances in 2 seasons so far where Ben White has 85, it's time to stop the Reece James talk. He's finished.
Ya know what they say about availability being the best ability.
Ben White is the perfect gentleman for not coming out with anything against the national team, the coach has done the exact opposite! He will play as soon as we rid of Southgate, he's not going to win anything the way he manages the team.
Question for these old heads is, would you go and work for a boss you don't like? Just because you attach a country flag for it doesn't he has to go do something he isn't happy about. I'll be upset too if I see guys who isn't playing as well as me get loads of mins and playing time and in just sitting here like what the heck?!
Know this: Talk Sport is complicit in the building hatred of a player that has every right to do what he feels right for himself...
Southgate! Southgate! It’s his fault! Maguire, Henderson, Phillips should not be near that squad.
To quote an NFL head coach "we want volunteers, not hostages". If he doesn't want to play then respect his decision and move on. Ben White not playing will have no bearing on England's success in the Euro's. Good but not great.
How about talking about Klopp calling a reporter ‘dump’ and ‘fat’,if that was Arteta that story would be talked about everyday for a month
That's because Arteta is an arrogant little prince who has won nothing. You have to earn the right to be arrogant, Klopp has.
@@F--Bklopps earned the right to fat shame by winning a few trophies, cool take.
@@F--B
He’s won the FA cup in his first season mate. If you don’t consider that a major trophy what has football come to? And the community shield of course
So by definition he has won trophies
@Squidward-jv7go are you really trying to make the case that a single FA cup win puts him at the level of Klopp? Roberto Martinez won the FA Cup. Is he elite?
@@F--Byou can’t say won nothing and then someone says they have and you reply with “well that’s not enough” it’s goalpost moving
Imagine a manager picking maguire over you 😂😂
I will retire
yeah imagine picking a player who turns up for England at tournaments
@@esseffsee meaning it doesn't matter about their performance on club football anymore? 🤔🤔
@@benjamindadzie9657 This got me 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ben White is best at CB and he’s better than the current CBs
LET'S GET THIS CLEAR... Ben White has NOT chosen not to play for his country; he's chosen not to play for Southgate.
Nobody can have an opinion without knowing the reason
How many international breaks did we have after the world cup? And how many of those did ben get call up? What math are you guys doing
Connor Coady got minutes before him. I wouldn't go back either if I was him.
@@Never_Wr0ng exactly, these guys are not good for the public, they have no facts,
Lol they still talking about this, must be a quiet day. They making it sound like he’s the messiah that will take England to winning a trophy 😂
No that will be Harry Maguire 😂😂😂
Keep talking about it too try and derail arsenals season
while I agree, it is the international break and this is an international issue, so shouldn't be too surprising they're still on about it.
You don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to come to the conclusion that whatever the problem was that led to him leaving the World Cup camp is still around, be it at home or within the England set up.
this is what happens when u ostracise players and have such strong favourites
3 years is a long time in football… He wanted to play for England, and now he doesn’t. Move on and leave him alone! People talk down on him as a right back and now the same people are giving him stick because he has removed himself from the limelight
Ben White isn't a soft player like there trying to describe.
Every teammate at Arsenal raves about Ben White toughness & mentality.
Every Arsenal players first words about him is he's a warrior, Arteta described him as that as well.
These aren't just his mates who knew him growing up or his background but players from many different countries & top class players who all identified that quality about him.
White debut season for Arsenal when Arsenal were fighting for top 4 back end of the season was playing through a grade 2 hamstring.
Always made himself available.
This season he's played through knee injuries.
Ben White is someone who most of his early childhood was in & out of hospitals, he suffered from an extremely weak immune system, he was always ill, allergic to many things and possibility of having a quality life was slim let alone playing football.
He then overcame that, signed by Southampton at age 10, worked his way up before eventually being released at 16.
He's very resilient character, who loved playing football.
He was then picked up by Brighton, had to work himself up playing league 2, League 1 and Championship.
He never got anything easy, never heralded as great talent.
He was never picked by England at any of the youth levels.
During his loan to Leeds he helped them get promoted to the PL for the first time in 16 years, White played every second of that season.
Even then he saw teammate Kalvin Philips get picked while in the championship for England while he didn't get a look in.
He then played 1 excellent season in the PL at Brighton when he finally got called up.
He only played for Brighton the season before he signed for Arsenal, was always out on loan before then to many clubs.
The idea that he didn't want to sit on a bench during a world cup is just flat out not true.
No club had issues with Ben White from League 1 loans to championship, to playing in PL and now at Arsenal.
League 2 or league 1 clubs are less excepting of a teenager from PL club coming into there changing room with any arrogance or entitlements.
England camp is extremely welcoming environment.
Ben issue was with specifically with Steve Holland who disrespected him & tried to shame him in front of the group.
I think him pretending like nothing happened & just coming back is a sign of weakness, instead he's backing himself even at the expense of media backlash.
When Southgate spoke with White post world cup, him saying there was clearly still hard feeling about the issue should tell people it's not about minutes or sitting on a bench.
Always Southgate backing his mate Steve Holland by gaslighting the media by saying there's no issue between White and Steve Holland and it's just White is why he doesn't want to play for England.
Hi Ben White's family or friend.
Seems very logical to me. White is tougher than most people think. He even know knows already that he will get abused in the league but is determined to take it.
He would clearly rather spend his summer on the beach
representing your country isn't necessarily the most important thing for many footballers, people need to get over it. Club football has taken away from the allure of the international game. It doesn't make Ben White a criminal. It's better that he is clear that he doesn't want to play, that way no-one's time gets wasted. I seem to recall Ferguson and Effenberg declining to play for their countries after initially doing so, hardly a new development.
The absolute lack of even a thought of responsibility and blame on Southgate and his lackies is mind-boggling. England has never won a WC in his lifetime let alone his tenure. Some of the best talent in the world the last 30 years and nothing to show for it. Stop pretending England gaffers, recently Southgate, walk on water and can’t be criticized. They have failed miserably with the talent they have had. Why should Ben White feel honored to do anything that man tells him to do? These pundits are delusional if they think embarrassing themselves in international competitions should be an honor for these players and there are no excuses to the contrary. Absolute rubbish.
Some of the best talent in the world the last 30 years and nothing to show for it because unsurprisingly Bottle it Like Bukayo bottled it from 12 yards Oh how we laughed!
The fact Tamori didn't even get a look while Braithwaite got a call up tells you Southgate has an issue at cb. At cb he values loyalty over performance, Southgate out.
Southgate is an absolute disgrace for throwing Ben white to the wolves of the public, media and online scrutiny. Nobody owes their country anything whether that is in terms of fighting for your country or playing a simple game of football.
Country? You mean 'economic zone E.'
@@F--B😅😅😅😅
@@dwainejones4153 very Thatcherite, very "there's no such thing as society"
Yeah that was hash he should have said Ben white is not here for personal reasons
@@F--BSo you want conscription and for players to be forced to play for their country?
Tell me its a quiet news week without telling me its a quiet news week.
3 years, 12 international breaks, 2 major tournaments... 4 Caps. I wonder why Ben White doesn't want to play for Southgate.
Not like they’re gonna win anything with southgate anyway so who gives af
😂😂😂😂 Walker played now Walker is injured!!! I'm soo happy White made that call & Saka returned!! 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
It's one thing to say he'll regret it. But throwing insults at the man and belittling him is just ridiculous.
Ben white has the right to be gutted, choosing Maguire starting and ahead of him, BW has better passing, agility, speed and sense of the ball.
Just shut your mouths and leave ben alone ffs
Lol, poor won nothing Ben Shite
International football isn’t the pinnacle people say it is. Friendlies and qualification is boring football to watch. On top of that throw in Southgate’s style of football. Snooze fest
Why wouldn't he want to play for England? Look at all the amazing support the pundits and fans give him right now.
These people have an awful lot to say about the situation, considering none of them has a clue as to what the real reason behind Ben White’s decision is.
A few days ago it was "we don't know the full story so we can't elaborate on it" but all they've done is elaborate on things they don't know. He doesn't want to play for southgate, that's HIS CHOICE. The media hate the fact that he doesn't give them what they want, more power to him.
Ffs! I tell you what if the King and his family members are not on the front line in the next war I be fuming!
😂😂😂
😅
If more players felt the same way as White does, Southgate wouldn't have favourites and would play players on form.
Constantly picking Maguire, Henderson, Sterling and Phillips is pathetic.
One day the truth will come out, and my assumption is Ben White will be owed an apology from many people. Southgate handling of this situation and being a media puppet is exactly why he will never be a top manager. Top managers protect players. They don't chuck them under a bus. Southgate knows first-hand what it's like to have a country talk about you, and he's put Ben White in exactly the same position. The sooner Southgate is gone, the sooner England can win something
No one is considering hes playing with a knee injury at the minute. He knows he wont play for England even if hes in the squad and so hes focusing thia week into rehab to prepare him for the last 2 months of the season
Don't people get it? He has fallen out with the England staff, staff accused him not integrating into the squad. Then they were digging him out with notes, he and Steve Holland fell out and everyone decided it's best for Ben to leave the squad. Gareth is a LIAR to say there is no problems. The kid wants to play for England but not under this set up. If everyone felt he had to leave the squad then why all of a sudden would he want to play for this manager again and come sit on the bench for a manager and coaching stuff he does not get on with.
Simon again going on as if he knows everything
Entitled to know? Absolutely tone deaf from Jim here 😂 embarrassing
Considering no one knows all the facts about this situation it amazes me that everyone has an opinion and want to judge his character. Lots of other players have done similar things and no one bats an eyelid
But what does playing for your country mean these days?
Going to play for England and never being being picked can be draining on someone's mental health, the manager said he would pick players on form but doesn't pick players on form so why would you keep going
poor old mental health
I wouldn’t want to play for Gareth either
He’s clueless
And picks his little favourites
Why would Ben bother
And Simon just for you
You’ve never played football
At any decent level ever
So you have no idea what it’s like
So stop commenting as if you have a clue
You splinter 🤦♂️
The only entitlement here is contained in the panel. Its his life. He can do whatever he likes and you have no right to know about his personal circumstances
Ben White is a tremendous player for his club. Arsenal have been competing for 2 seasons now. He is only being asked to go along with the squad. He won’t start any games even if he went. So what is wrong with saying no when you won’t start games. Walker. Trippier. James, Arnold will start before him. Southgate won’t start him as a CB because McGuire is his go to. Ben is simply saying stop wasting my time. I am not coming to sit the bench!
Exactly. Why would you want to be dragged off for a week in Kraplakistan knowing in advance you won't even get one minute because Southgate never drops his favourites, even if they're not playing for their club. Who wants to spend a week away from home with people you don't necessarily like, only to never have your commitment rewarded? Sack that. Be at home with your family, training with your club, sleeping in your own bed and not having to share a hotel room with Jack Grealish or Harry Maguire.
If he doesn’t want to go what’s the problem lol
Maybe he should of said that before letting down his team mates down in Qatar
Ben white is a hero!
For winning nothing in his career
It’s funny how many of these same pundits and fans criticising White will also moan when players from other countries go play internationals when it might impact their clubs.
Southgate picks Maguire regardless. James, Tripper, Arnold, Walker, even Shaw at right back would be played ahead of White despite White being on the best form and having a partnership with Saka for his club
despite White being on the best form and having a partnership with Saka for his club who between them have won fcuk all in their careers
Yeah, Danny Murphy almost hits the nail on the head but - he knew the other players in his position were better than him! - White is not in the same position. BW is better than 90% of the England backline and still will not play!
Southgate can go do one.
Fuck..o Simon, why does he have to play for his country? That's his choice not to play. Why are people slaughtering him? It could be a number of reasons why he's not decided to play for Southgate"s squad.
I didnt realise it is an honour to sit on the bench in a pointless international knowing you dont have a chance of playing because you are not one of Southgate's favourites.
My respect for Southgate unfortunately has gone down. He must have known how the crowd will react. As for Simon pontificating about everything on earth, should give it a rest. White should be given the freedom of his own decision.
I very very rarely seek to make a racial comment on TH-cam because it will always be twisted and assumed the worst. But there's this great sadness in the pit of my stomach that if he were a black Englishman with his skillset and calibre, his "Englishness" would be questioned; his loyalty to his country would be judged; how disrespectful it is to the King and to country etc. The usual nationalism parroting. Credit to Ben White for standing on what he believes is right. That's all this is. A disagreement between him and management. Something we all can salute for an employee standing up for himself. But if he were not a white Englishman, I fear the conversation topics would be far more polarising. And as an Englishman, it saddens me that this thought came to my mind. Apologies if I'm overthinking.
International football going the way of The FA Cup - not worth the risk of getting injured.....it's all about the Premier and Champions League.
They don’t get that Gareth has his favorites. Maguire and others over Ben White is wild
You guys sound hurt😂😂it's not a must he plays for England or explain why. It's his life. Move on!!!...stop hating. Just because you don't like his decision doesn't mean he'll regret it
Fools and scoundrels waffling and raging about a situation where we do not have all the facts in front of us. Why not hold your fire until one day all the information is available to us ✌🏼🙏🏼
Which defenders is Benny Blanco going to learn from in that Englad squad??? 😂😂😂. Maguire? Walker? Trent?
Walkers actually pretty good
@@adtastic1533agreed. From a gooner and 33. So white would get a chance. It cannot be the reason. It has to do with the staff.
I did the same mind you on amateur level cause our than manager just picked his favorite.
From there on i rather played for the second team without beeing grumpy but the manager didn't exist for me anymore. Game over.
I guess it's something similar.
Maguire? Walker? Trent? All trophy winners unlike Ben Won Nothing White
@@jeannotschumacher1024 Did u fly home early crying mid way through a world cup tournament too?
Mustaphi won the world cup. An english player of course doen't know what that means😂😂 @@AndyJackson-w2m
Its blatently obvious that Ben just doesnt want to get injured on international duty & then not be available for my fantasy league team. Bens got his priorities in order is all.
It's not about entitlement. Being called up doesn't mean the world for people. Understand the human, who just wants to play football in his own time for his club and that is it. PERIOD.
He is not walking like a duck or talking like a duck.
He is so much more mature than any of you clowns who are talking from "retrospect".
He doesn't subscribe to your idea of entitlement. That's Ben White.
It amazes me that someone like Simon Jordan, to my eyes the epitome of middle class privilege, who I doubt ever faced any adversity in his life, can say with a straight face that Ben White, a person who has overcome real adversity in his life, should show "backbone" and wait for his chance for England. What a muppet.
This conversation is an absolute nonsense. Firstly Benjamin White didn't say he didn't want to play for England, Edu informed that that he didn't wish to be selected at this time. Something has clearly gone on at the World Cup so for Gareth Southgate to come out and say nothing has happened as far as he's aware and doesn't know why there's any apprehension from Benjamin is both cowardly and disingenuous, who would want to play for a manger that wants to preserve themselves and make themselves look good in front of the media than delve into the truth. Why is all the responsibility of the truth coming out being put on the shoulder of Benjamin when it's in the Managers job remit to mange and communicate these situations to the necessary publication. Now in respect to Simon saying if we knew what the issue is would could treat this with more sympathy, well Englands official communication when he left the World Cup squad was "due to personal reason" since then the statement hasn't changed and hasn't been elaborated on, so Simon and all other broadcasters need to be treating this issue with sensitivity as personal reasons have been sighted as to why Benjamin doesn't want to be in the squad. Now talking about he's going to learn and get better being in the England squad. Benjamin Plays in a team that is currently going toe to toe with a great Liverpool team and A World Class Man City team, he trains daily with some world class players and a squad full of internationals under a manger who in most peoples eyes is superior tactically and than Gareth so regardless whether he's in that England Squad or not it would be argued that he's bound to learn more staying with his club than going to England for 2 weeks. The coverage around this has been so disappointing and dangerous, Jim stopped short of threatening a person who's Job requires him to be exposed and judged in front of thousands in stadiums and millions world wide when he said tell us or we're not going to stop. This is no longer reporting but a witch hunt and it's a disgrace it's been allowed to continue! This is getting dangerous now and people need to start to remember their place and level of influence they posses and act accordingly. You're now playing with a young mans career, mental well being and potential physical well being (you can't be sure how people on the street may act after listening to this dross reporting) for entertainment and TH-cam clicks.... Disgusting!
I'm not sure if Danny is just that naive or he is deliberately trying to misdirect fans. Ben White abruptly left the squad in Qatar. He went there knowing Walker and Trippier were ahead of him. He didn't abruptly leave because he suddenly realized he's unlikely to start games. There's obviously something that happened
Leave Ben white alone.
At the end of the day, Ben has every right to decline the opportunity to represent his country.
He doesn’t owe anyone an explanation.
We are beyond the days when this was an amateur sport. His career is a business, his body is a commodity, and as the business owner, he has a right to allocate his resources as he sees fit.
Complain about the market application all you like, but it’s still not really any of your business.
I see there's no more news other than Ben White 😅! Grown men belabouring the same issue. These are the same people that like to make and take their own decisions sweating over a choice made by someone that really doesn't care. Benny is made even if he stops playing today. Football is just a game, it's not a do or die affair. I came here to just to drop this comment 😂.
He's not refusing to play for England he's refusing to play for Southgate and I don't blame him
Thankfully he'll never play for England again
That's good wouldn't want him wasting his time risking injury for nothing
@@matthewcove8597So he continue to waste his so far failed career at small club Arsenal winning nothing just like all of Artetas signings are
Lol the table don't lie mate they seem to be doing OK 😁😁
1) Kyle Walker could get injured in Quarter finals and White could play massive part as right side of back 3
2) I do not think he gets on with squad
3) I think Holland and White do not get along
4) when England have new coach and set up it is a different story - I think he then will be open to be picked
Everyone talks about England duty like it’s a call up to the army. If you don’t want to do it, don’t do it . People need to get over this already
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Time better spent with his family instead of sitting on a bench for Southgate...who knows what went on between them...Southgate has a track record of poor man management....I'm surprised Grealish didn't stick two fingers up to him after his poor treatment.
Simon's argument doesn't make sense... so it's sad that he won't be in the same England team that you consider him a peripheral player in, and apparently it's not much of a loss anyway cuz he's a third rate player? So what's your angle? Also no wonder he agrees with Redknapp cuz they're both nationalist dinosaurs... playing for England doesn't have the same lustre as it used to, especially when you're travelling across the world and using up energy to sit on the bench when you can maintain full fitness to play for the club you play an active part in
Why has this been made public?
"We are entitled to know" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Foxtrot Oscar
Jim's just a little weasel.. simple as that
Love that😂
Ben White is objectively a better player than some of the players that Southgate plays ahead of him, he's wasting his time going on international duty with Southgate.
leave him alone, he knows his own value and has enough respect to hold others to account.
Respect is a virtue to many. Disrespect someone and the damage can be irreversible
if he isn't important like you say ..then let the man rest and wait for Henderson and Maguire to do the magic 😂
Keep spinning those narratives and no you’re not entitled to know and perhaps Simon, if you don’t want to waste time with him, then have some conviction and tell your producer to not cover the subject anymore. 😴
Simon Jordan is right, trust is incredibly important in football, he just forgets that trust has to go both ways. Ben White's consistency playing for a top tier Arsenal team proves he's a player that can be trusted, and Arteta is ruthless with who plays for him. His reaction to his first call up makes me believe in his pride and passion for England, but he also doesn't abide any fools. If he thinks the England coaching staff are a bunch of clowns, he's #3 after Walker and TAA at RB, not getting a sniff at CB because Maguire has some blackmail on Southgate or something, I understand not wanting to risk injury in training and all the travel when you got a chance to rest during a title race and UCL.