@@_magnify Was the translation taken directly from Hebrew. Or was the translated from Hebrew to another language eventually landing at English? Cuz misogyny being the primary cause of this mistranslation sounds rather preposterous.
@@namastereciprocity4549 Depends on the version. There are hundreds of versions of the Bible because everyone wants to mistranslate things in whatever way seems right to them. Some of them are translated through ither languages first, like the King James Bible, but others are more direct translations. Even my go-to version of the Bible, the NIV has some of these issues. The NIV is widely regarded as the most accurate direct translation of the text from the original languages into English. However, the NIV still translates this as "rib," and it has the word "hell" in it even though hell was a concept added much later. The word(s) that the NIV and most other translations turn into "hell" is Gehinnom, which is a real-world location where Jews made ritual sacrifices of animals and people to God. Today, we still have vestiges of this word as Gehenna which is often associated with twisted and dark things like Barghests. The Hebrew language at the time did not have a word for hell because they did not believe in hell. So Gehinnom and it's various forms have been coopted by modern Christians into being "Hell" so that they can preach fire and brimstone to scare people into being religious.
I mean if god really made everything including fish that change sex and cells that already do mitosis... not any wilder an assumption than anything else in the bible
@@dualitygrief576 no. There have been enough lies. You men are liars. Let’s remember when you said women couldn’t read bc they weren’t as smart. That was an intentional and more will no longer be tolerated
@@goose1114 yeah you ARE a hive mind. You pretend to be different but I’ve clocked the same exact mentality in ALL of you. but please stop with the fucking lies. Men don’t, and have never needed a reason to treat anyone poorly. Wherever there are men, there is destruction of ALL sorts. Notice I don’t have to say whenever there are bad men or “some men”. It says MEN. Wherever there are MEN, destruction of all sorts follow. It’s ALL of you. That’s bc bc that’s your core biology-demons. I mean case in point, men are going to treat me poorly if I have an opinion. Ignoring isn’t an option?? Oh right that’s only for normal humans. Demons will treat you poorly just having a negative opinion, hell just for existing. You only proved me correct.
@RoonMian that translation has high accuracy with ancient manuscripts. God did make the man head of his own house, that is, ruler of it. That doesn't mean she is insignificant. Christ told men to love their wives even as He loved them.
@@RoonMian it's written in early modern english, not modern american english. trying to understand it in modern american english causes and will cause much misunderstanding. i've witnessed this very problem with people REPEATEDLY.
@@312diag Forget it man, you're sitting in the comment section of a video clearly showing you a politically motivated mistranslation in the King James Bible, one of many, and you decide to be obtuse. Nothing I say will get through to you because you won't let it so I'm not going to waste my time.
“Eve was not formed from Adam’s head, so that she wouldn’t rule over him. She wasn’t formed from his feet so that he wouldn’t walk over her. Rather, Eve was formed from his side so that they may stand together, side by side.”
This is beautiful. Thank you! I find it limiting, inaccurate, & harmful to the whole of society to only see things thru the lens of oppression rather that unity.
This is a great explanation. I know there's a lot of purposeful incorrect/misleading translations in order to keep women submissive to men, but love learning true examples.
the way I understood calling the "your better half" as a story from plato's symposium where they all get drunk and aristophanes talks about how we're all split in half. like humans were all two-headed combined people and zeus was scared of us so we all got split in half and intrinsically desire to become whole again.
“Eve was not taken out of Adam's head to top him, neither out of his feet to be trampled on by him, but out of his side to be equal with him, under his arm to be protected by him, and near his heart to be loved by him.”― Matthew Henry
No it's disgusting because I implies Adam is the "full" version of human and Eve is just a subordinate secondary "half" version of human. Were you even listening to the video??
@@archayz2 Maybe physically yeah but he isn't complete without Eve in a spiritual level at the very least it made him feel as so. It is quite a sweet story without the modern-day perversion, you literally have two innocent beings loving each other in the purest way possible. There were no feelings of superiority/superiority as that feeling was merely a concept then, nothing but a myth. Regardless by how they came about they cared for each other and treated each other with respect. If anything, it is you who considers Eve as part human. Also, perhaps Adam was full until Eve was created which made them both halves to each other's whole. Even if you want to look at it your way Eve is made out of literal bone one of the most important parts of the human body, versus Adam who was made out of dust. Regardless, you believe that because it is what you want to believe. At the end of the day that is just how God made them.
@@archayz2it’s disgusting because that’s how you perceive it, if you think symbolically then a rib bone is not as insignificant as the man in the video says since each rib is vital if you ever known someone who’s broken one. Anyways fun fact is that biologically speaking the story of the eve created from adam is actually swapped due to the sex chromosomes having the men XY chromosomes be a branch of the XX female chromosome
@@leahchambre1650 יש "צלע שלישית", זאת אומרת צד שלישי לא קשור, במערכת יחסים שבה יש שני צלעות, צדדים שווים וקרובים A third tsela means a third wheel in Hebrew
In America, we're all taught that she was made from his rib, and the dirt he was lying in. I mean only one of his ribs. We're told that's why women have one more rib bone than men also.
A long story short of this comment: When the Bible referred to "the side taken from the man" it defined what that side was the very verse preceding the one mentioned in the video: "his rib" I looked at the hebrew translation of genesis. The same translated verse does show that the word הַצֵּלָ֛ע(has-seh-la) means side. However, I looked at genesis 2:21, the verse before, and found the word מִצַּלְעֹתָ֔יו(mis-a-lo-ta) meaning "his rib" where it says God Yahweh takes one of "his rib"s. Also, the very next verse that you mentioned said "God Yahweh took the 'side' he took from the man" likely referring to the rib God Yahweh had taken from Adam's side
I was really wondering this. If the word DOES mean side OR rib like some were saying, then maybe this video is incorrect but how are we sure that rib IS correct? Considering the word isn't used for rib anywhere else while a different word is used to reference a rib every other instance, it seemed weird to decide that this one meant rib and not side, assuming the word had both meanings like some are saying (I'm assuming it did historically and isn't just a later evolution of the translation?). So the presence of further context here makes it make a lot more sense as to where they'd get it from. I guess you could still argue a better translation might be side as that can be interpreted as rib through context from the previous verse, like how they decided that when translating it, whereas rib takes a more precise definition that may not be as accurate to the linguistic intent. Like the same story either way but maybe it's better to use the broader translation and let the reader realise that side is probably the rib he just took. Translating is really interesting and complicated though so there's a ton of choices to make and history and context to look into
That wasn't Yahweh. Do you even know the difference between El and Jehovah, as well? What about I AM? The old testament is chock full of false fallen angels. It's evident in the fruit. Replace "Jesus" every time it says god in the OT and tell me it doesn't contradict.
Choose between losing a rib or the side of your body. I think you may see that they aren’t equal in importance. Then consider the difference between Eve being a rib bone or an equal half of a whole. It’s a very different view of her level of humanity.
I fell and broke two or three ribs (The x-ray was indeterminate about the third rib) in June 2020. Nearly three years later, the pain has never gone away. Translating the Hebrew word (Strong’s H6763) as rib is neither insignificant nor misogynistic. According to Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew English lexicon: צֵלָע n.f.(m.) rib, side - 1. rib of man. 2. rib of hill, i.e. ridge, or terrace. 3. side-chambers or cells (enclosing temple like ribs). 4. ribs of cedar and fir, i.e. planks, boards (pl.), of temple wall, floor. 5. leaves of door. 6. side, of ark (אֲרוֹן); of tabern. (מִשְׁכָּן); of altar. It’s one thing to ask about and research scripture to gain a better understanding of God‘s Word (Elohim Logos)(John 1:1-14) but it borders on heresy and blasphemy to criticize the great I AM (Exodus 3:13-14) for His choice of Words that He dictated to Moses to write and say. (Exodus 3:15). You are correct that there are 40 occurrences of the Hebrew word in 31 verses; you are correct that only two occurrences in these two verses, Genesis 2:21-22 are translated as rib. You are, however, COMPLETELY WRONG to assign human error and sin to God‘s Word (Job 1:22).
As a Hebrew speaker: it is both right and wrong, “tzela’” (צלע) does really mean “side”, for example every line in a triangle/square is “tzela’”, a cliff is translated to “the mountain tzela’”, but in Hebrew we use body parts to describe things in a figurative way, “head of the mountain” is a mountaintop, “belly of the mountain” is in the depth of the cave, “heart of the sea” is far from land, “his right hand” is the one who was supporting him, “on the face of the land” to describe things that are on the surface (literally or figuratively) and ect. “tzela’” in the “side” meaning is figurative use like “head of the family” in the meaning of “top”. In the Torah, genesis chapter 2, passuk 21-22 there is a description of the plural version (tzela-single, tzla’ot-plural), this is a rough translation from Hebrew: “and (god) took one of his (Adam) tzla’ot and closed meat underneath, and (god) shaped the tzela’ that (god) took from the man(=Adam) to a woman and gave her to the man(=Adam)” The passuk itself is misogynistic (because women are described as god gift to men), but how you described it is not true because it’s not a wrong translation, it’s a figurative use. It is right that it came from the Aramaic word “ala” עלע but there are a lot of Hebrew words with Aramaic origin that had this letter shift (from aain to tz, from d to z, from deep t to tz, from th to sh, and ect) and sometimes the older version in use (to this day even in modern Hebrew, the root of the word 3 is th-l-th in Aramaic and in Hebrew is sh-l-sh, when we count we say “shalosh” or “shlosha”, but the 3 in the term for 3D or “3 phase electric power” for example is by the old pronunciation and is “tlat”), the book Daniel in specific have a lot of Aramaic in it and not just words that are originated in aramic, the plural word “עלעין” written there is in aramic sentence, not Hebrew.
@@darthkeron9044 wait you just proved everyone right lol, you are just a misogynist, your default comeback is to call someone a girl as an insult i don’t get why you’re whining. they were right
I cracked my rib during wrestling training, took a guy spearing me full-throttle to do it. And considering rib bones are sharp enough to pierce organs, yet protect them, I wouldn’t call them tiny or insignificant
I always imagined that he took a rib as a starting point just to be extra certain they were equal and made the rest of Eve from dirt like he did with Adam.
I am israeli here, with hebrew being my first language. As you said, the word tsela (צלע) in hebrew means part, like the three parts of a triangle are tselas. It’s also the anatomical word for the ribs, the tselas. However the usual translation that is being explained to us is that when God took a rib from Adam, he actually took a part of him, but made it an individual piece. In today’s society, you can view this as how a male and female are indeed individual pieces, but ultimately they are on of the same and cannot live without the other.
Lucky you. In my dialect of English, at least, your friends approach you with, "So, this is your *better* half." Can you imagine how my feelings are hurt! 😅
I think a lot of people use it to be misogynistic. Growing up and going to church camp the boys definitely thought they were superior just because they had dicks
@vasylpark2149 nope, just the hips. Edit. I'm incorrect please look at other comments to see that the hips are not the only bone structure to prove the two genders. God bless
@ThePhatLady im studying this as a radiologic technologist. You can visibly see the difference on men and women. Most men have to have a crosswise (landscape) chest x-ray vs. most women have a lengthwise chest x-ray.
As a professional translator, in classes we were shown many, many, way too many examples of translations that are not the _most_ correct but they served a veeeery specific purpose. That’s why we talk and learn about ethics in translation.
@@albertoandrade9807 lets look at the mere fact that the context clues right after the verse, which is what you have to do to find the meaning behind words that have multiple meanings, Adam directly says to God, I shall call her WOman for she COMES from man, this is now BONE of my BONE and flesh of my flesh, The bible lists men being the head of women , that they were made first so they lead, Jesus then is the head of the man, and if men do not love their wives like God loves the church (jesus) then they aren't doing Gods will, Men are told LOVE your wives and treat them right. the entire bible disproves this interpretation, you could pull from the entire bible up to jesus's death on mens role, Jesus had to die as a man as the bible says because he HAD to be the second adam to reverse the sin of adam ( one man sinned and all made sinners now one mans obediance *jesus , now all made rightous by faith The curse on all man kind didn't even happen until ADAM sinned, because he was the lead and head of mankind, Satan didn't tempt adam,he tempted eve because he didn't want to challenge the head first, he knew he had to go in reverse order and get the second so that the second could convince the lead,he is very very smart. Fastforward to now and you see that satan is trying to make the lead feminine and femine masculine,you could see the evidence of this very idea of the head and the second being important for satan to attack in the world Now lets Go to jesus saying word for word that mankind DURING the end of the world days become feminine, and it was rare for women so it says "and EVEN their women will do this and exchange the natural use of eachother for the same, Man will be with man and women shall be with women so the entire bible testifies this guy is wrong, God also values equality of man and women in The love of the church joined together, it is simply the LENS of todays view of what the bible meant that skews it! Also look up bible verses that have multiple meanings in its langauge and how they find the verse meaning, The multiple meanings for one word ARE ALL throughout the bible, and it actually is the argument made by ppl like jehova witness for thinking God was not jesus and they take a meaning and try to flip it and only can get as far as saying "jesus was A god" and then take that and say jesus was an angel, Mormons say the same thing.
@@jsbaldo5556 the beginning part of your comment assumes the Bible was written in English and then you went on a tangent stemmed from that assumption.
That’s funny. But just wanted to say, that Eve was actually a “God thing”. “Then the Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper who is just right for him.”” Genesis 2:18 NLT
hey I'm a fluent Hebrew speaker and to anyone wondering the word "tsela" in Hebrew in that contents it does mean rib bone. this guy was talking about the "tsela" that is a straight line that connects to points in a closed shape. example: a square has four "tselaot" (multiple "tsela)
As a modern Hebrew speaker, I would like to add that today Tsela is used for "edge" in the context of geometry. Like in "a square has 4 edges" but also literally a rib. This original meaning is completely new to me 😅
@@carter_schwertmanNo... He didn't make it up. The source is literally "THE MESSAGE" where everything that isn't the message is misogynistic. It's funny how one weird cult makes fun of another one that way.
@@hiiambarney4489 I’m not following that first sentence what’s so ever, but also, sure, by definition, christianity is a “cult” but saying that in the modern day makes everyone think we wear robes and sacrifice babies. If your atheist I engage you to do one thing, do research to disprove God, but that means you have to read the Bible a little and disproven him under the obvious results he has given us
@@carter_schwertman That is backwards. If you say God exists then you provide the evidence. We say that you have not made your case. And you read the Bible from in the beginning to Amen. And not just certain selected portions.
Amen. It is written we were taken out of the ground, dust we are and to the dust we shall return. Beware of those preaching false teachings. All praise be to God
I saw this from a loving Christian: She came not from his skull, to be above or superior to him, nor from his foot to be beneath or inferior, but from a rib next to his heart due to her being equal and always to be held close to his heart.
Exactly how interpreted in Quran In Quran it means that Eve (hazrat Hawwa) was formed from the rib of Adam (Hazrat Aadum) because ribs are supposed to protect the vital organs in a humans body. Hence a woman is known to protect his heart and the vital organs.
Christianity is delusional anyways what does it matter if she came from a giant tub of pudding it doesn’t matter where she came from cause it’s just fiction
@AwesomeExplosion His narrative being built on misogyny and scripture making no such implications or claims. His interpretation is false. No I comprehend just fine, thank you.
@@trizzynahhh5736 He's narrative isn't trying to disprove scripture. He specifically says "The reason behind that *translation choice* might be misogyny." He also brings up several examples, for instance when he brought up the example in which the bear is gnawing on a rib, or the several examples of the same word being translated differently when used in other instances in the Bible. As far as I can tell from his other content, he seems to be an earnest Christian. It's clear he contextualizes the Bible in it's native languages considering the examples above. He also recognizes bias in translators, separating the works of men from the inspired work of God.
I'm Islamic, and in our story, Adam and Eve have always come from the same thing, as two different sides. There's another philosophy that all women have a man and all men have a woman that come from their other side, and they're incomplete without the other.
Part of my wedding vows referred to Eve coming from Adam's side. Not his foot to be trampled on, nor his head to rule over, but from his side to be an equal partner.
Arabic, a sister language of Hebrew has a corresponding word ضلع (Dile') that means rib, among other things like "bent/crooked". This word is used in the Genesis account in the Arabic translation. It seems that rib is a legitimate meaning of the semitic root [D/ts l ']. (Among other meanings). Also, the text in Genesis 2 talks about closing up the flesh after taking the צֵלָע. It sounds like God took something out of Adam physically, giving semantic contextual support to the meaning "rib" for this word in this case.
What exactly is the "side" he would have physically taken that requires closing up of the flesh? A missing rib isn't that significant for normal life, but if Adam had a huge chunk of flesh removed (his "side"), it would be more problematic. "Side" just doesn't seem to work very well in the context, whereas "rib" (a possible translation of the word) doesn't pose the same problem.
As a guy who is a native hebrew speaker, the word: צלע is closer to Geometric side than to a side although it is sometimes used as a side but in Israel I learned in a religious Jewish school that it's infact a rib and not a side
My mom always taught me that women didn’t come from Adams foot, she came from his rib, and therefore she was never meant to be beneath him, but beside him. 🙂
I think that's always been the traditional view. I've heard the analogy go something like this -- Eve wasn't taken from Adams foot to be a slave, or his head to be a master. She was taken from his rib to walk beside him, close to his heart to be loved, and under his arm to be protected.
@@slime_katzuaccording to the dead sea scrolls Lilith was the first woman. She left the garden bc she did not want to submit to Adam, was transformed into a beast of sorts and became the first demon. Thats the short version.
@@KaiserAres that's some other made up story that was an attempt to put cracks in the bible, truth is Eve is the first, there was no other if God created you to be with someone, and have you that soul purpose, that is what you will do, like it or not.
Though I didn’t know this etymology, I’ve always been taught that the rib from his side was a symbol of how he and Eve were equal. Not taken from his head, that she should lead him, or from his foot that she should be trampled upon, but side by side partners. Same with the concept of “an helpmeet”-that it’s intended to mean that husband and wife are partners. It’s beautiful to me.
You need that rib brother....when its missing you will understand...just because something is small, does not mean its insignificant... Your being alittle slow, He (swt) made it from a rib, can also mean used its dna to create Howa (Eve)... Similarly when the trumpet is blown for the day of judgement, only part of ourbody will be left will be lowest part of our spine...then Allah swt will grow us again using that small insignificant bone to us....in modern terms using our dna from the bone.... Between the two blowings of the Trumpet and before the beginning of the revival of the dead, AllahSWT will send down the Blessed Rain from the sky to initiate the resurrection: “And it is Allah Who sends the winds, so that they raise up the clouds, and We drive them to a dead land, and revive therewith [by its rain water] the earth after its death. Likewise [will be] the Resurrection!” [Surah Al-Fâṭir, 35:9] The Prophet (SAW) further elaborated on the phenomenon of resurrection in the following traditions which mention the little bone at the tailend of the coccyx: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said: “Between the two soundings of the trumpet, there will be ‘forty.’ Somebody asked Abu Huraira, “Forty days?” But he refused to reply. Then he asked, “Forty months?” He refused to reply. Then he asked, “Forty years?” Again, he refused to reply. Abu Huraira added, “Then (after this period) Allah will send water from the sky, and then the dead bodies will grow like vegetation grows. There is nothing of the human body that does not decay except one bone: that is the little bone at the end of the coccyx -of which the human body will be re-created on the Day of Resurrection.” (Ṣaḥîḥ al-Bukhari 4935) Now christians you should thank me for this, instead of hating muslims....we know how to answer athiests...its easy Forever wearing my burka
@@salampakistan3691 Dude… nobody asked you to preach. If someone asks, go for it, but giving a mini-sermon (or whatever the Muslim word for a service is, I’m afraid I don’t know it) completely unprompted kinda just makes you look like an asshole. Especially if you’re denigrating atheistic people and demanding other religions praise you for doing so? It kinda taints your whole message.
The woman was made not above the man at rhe head or below at the feet, but right beside him, since and woman and man depend on one’s another and complete one another. Thats te way ive heard it been interpreted and it’s beautiful
always remember if somebody is telling you about the Bible, while not believing in the Bible, you don't need to listen. This guy thinks killing an unborn child is a woman's healthcare choice, while simultaneously believing women have penises 😁
I'm no expert, but speak several languages. Language is a very metaphorical thing. The root of words very often mean something conceptual, certainly in Semitic languages. A rib is actually always part of a pair. Also, a side can exist only as part of a pair as well. If you would look for the conceptual essence of a word, you are often also closer to the intended meaning when the word is used as métaphore. So rib, side, equal part of, are essentially all the same in the metaphorical sense. It is because people like to read 'rib' almost in a literal sense that everything gets messed up.
The majority of Christianity here in America demands that it all be literally true for some reason. It’s not enough for them that Jesus is a great role model and loving and treating each other in a loving empathetic and compassionate way is an awesome way to live. For some reason it all has to be literally true to hold credence. Which is odd to me. They do indeed cherry pick which parts are “real” and which parts are metaphorical themselves. Just remember, THEY decide where that line is drawn, not you logical thinking humans😂
this is exactly what frustrates me about the Bible and other theological texts. What an individual deems metaphorical or literal can change so much about the inherited meaning. And this results in cherry picking verses AND interpretations essentially leading religious proponents to preach anything they want using religious texts as “evidence”
@@Dragonaiis thèse texts are needed when the number of followers becomes to big for the profet to address or the profet is no longer capable of addressing people himself (because he dies?!). It is the only way in which the message can be preserved but indeed has big flaws due to the opportunity for misuse. The Qur'an specifically instructs you te research yourself!
you are a part of a cult. You really think evolution from simpler lifeforms mutating and reproducing for billions of years is less likely than an all powerful, all knowing, universe creating god, sculpting a man from mud and a woman from a part of him? Do you know how pregnancy works? Have you ever seen an ultra sound? Do you have any idea how basic biology works?
You have a link to the episode? Also, God bless you, & everyone that reads this, with wonderful avalanches of financial abundance, under grace, in perfect ways, for the highest good of all concerned 🌱📈💰
I started on the Bible project, I listened to many of their long podcasts. I really got into them. I even got mad when Allen Parr criticized Tim Mackie and defended Tim many times. Then I read the whole Bible and when I realized Tim's version of Hell was more like Jordan Peterson I stopped.
@jack unknown not to mention the big question, which God? Also why only one? Most religions and all the original ones where polytheistic. How can you tell which religion is absolute truth and all the rest of the religions and the millions of followers are wrong about?
As a child I never interpreted this as a women being less significant than a man, I always thought “Wow my God is so great he can make another person with something as little as a rib”
In French, it is translated to Adam's "côté" (literally "side") wich ressembles "côte" (=rib), so the translation "mistake" isn't universal and probably isn't voluntary either. It probably comes from an ancient meaning of the word "ribs" or from a intermediary translation into latin for example
Yeah, but the translator always has a bias. And most translations of the Bible are done from greek and latin, and then towards other languages, making the "translation error" constant throughout the languages.
Ya. The size of the part of Adam is not significant. By this "rib is small therefore women are lesser" logic then God would literally have to chop Adam in half to make Eve an equal partner. You are exactly right. The rib coming from the side symbolises equality, unity, and interdependence.
If your ribs are beside you, you have a problem. And whether it protects your heart or not… like your sternum… that’s not equal. Religious people need to leave science and anatomy to the scientists, and just give up on the reasoning and morality altogether, they don’t seem to be working out for yas.
Whether it says rib or side, it really makes no difference as it gives the same effect. As Mathew Henry said, "Eve was not taken out of Adam's head to top him, neither out of his feet to be trampled on by him, but out of his side to be equal with him, under his arm to be protected by him, and near his heart to be loved by him." Rib or side, we can get the picture. It's all about perspective!
So based on the research I’ve done about this bloody word, I’m actually willing to believe it means both “rib” and “side” at once, since the “side” meaning actually evolved from its use that meant the rib as curved. In essence, it means “a part of him from his side”.
Wow, who would've guessed that this video that opened with black Adam and blaming misogyny would've been making a political revision of history instead of honest research.
When every homie rewrites the bible that gets ahold of it and then later on a group of homies decide which verses should be allowed to be in the bible, removing large portions of the stories written to focus on the ones that specifically served their desires, and then a bunch of homies using that thousands of years later to oppress various groups. From the witch burning that oppressed women for centuries, to them using it to justify the slave trade, and modern times using it to deny gay rights, and send trans people to conversion camps or call them gr00mers. Them homies and their silly antics.
@@sardonicus1739 how does his have to do with grooming? It's happening on both ends. Adult groups trying to convert children to their warped idealogy before being able to legally make your own choices.
Except, as he says, there is no other instances in the Old Testament that the word Tsela is translated as rib, and as he said earlier, there is already a specific proper word for rib which is ala.
@@berilsevvalbekret772 when speaking about a person , tsela is always rib when speaking about objects / shapes , tsela is a side it is never " half " the translation of tsela to rib is 100% correct and accurate - a native hebrew speaker
Daniel 2:4-7:28 was written in Chaldee, or Aramaic. “Ribs” are mentioned in Daniel 7:5 and the word literally means “ribs.” The Hebrew equivalent can also mean, “side, ribs,” OR, “flooring or beam.” This is why context is taken into account when a verse is translated. If sexism was the intention of the old English translators, they’ve could’ve easily said that Eve was made from the “bottom” of Adam. Yet they knew that wasn’t applicable as the verse was describing Eve, a woman made in God’s image, not architecture. “Rib” in Genesis 2:21-22 comes from a root word that also means “to curve.” Ribs are curved. Also, the text specifically says she was taken from “one” of “his ribs.” (Genesis 2:21). “One” can mean “one or some” in Hebrew depending on the context. “One or some of his sides” doesn’t make sense. However, “one of his ribs” does. Adam says to Eve “bone of my bone.” The word “rib” fit the bill of the entire section more than “side.” Also, ribs come from a person’s “side” anyway. The same translation also calls Eve “helpmeet.” (Genesis 2:18). Which means that she was to be Adam’s pillar of support and strength in times of great distress, aid. Just as the ribs protect vital organs. Not something “small” or “inconsequential.” The word “help” was also used to describe the help of God and men/warriors in other verses. Meaning Eve was who God sent “to aid” Adam. There is no derogatory meaning here. When I was feminist I read the Bible through a modern feminist lens and saw sexism where there was none, too. Thankfully I’ve come to understand that the Bible is an ancient document that defends and honors women of all classes when compared to other ancient religious works of a similar period. Modern readers need to study ancient culture before making assumptions about scripture meanings or the intentions of old translators. Many men were persecuted, brutally murdered, for trying to make the Bible available in more languages for the common people. I’m grateful to them for their perseverance and sacrifice.
It's because before reading the Bible the guy in this video already has a narrative that he puts up above and before everything and he uses his own self created narratives as the context to the things he see's instead of letting them speak for themselves or digging deeper into things. It's like when people use the scripture that tells women to be submissive to there husbands but also ignore that husbands are to love their wives as Christ loved the church which means husbands should be willing to suffer and die for there wives. The problem in the 60's wasn't that women were to submissive to there husbands it was that in many cases the women felt unloved. So the solution should've been to encourage men to love there wives instead of pushing women to be independent and separate themselves from family. It doesn't take much to completly change how you see a thing and how a small differnce can make big differnces in the solutions and narratives are one of the biggest causes of misunderstandings so in learning things in general especially morale lessons or things with emotions behind them it's important to question the narrative behind the thing. Another example of a narrative people just look over in arguments is in abortion. The reason abortion is wrong can be shown before any argument about whether it's a baby or not or if it's murder by showing the narrative. The narrative behind abortion is that people don't want families and disdain the idea of being bound by responsibility and when you get down to it they want to sacrafice it for there own hedonistic desires and want for riches and if it wasn't for this narrative then you wouldn't see nearly as many people ardently defending or accepting abortion. There might be some arguments for rape or X or Y situations but though those situations suck they still boil down to the same thing.
@@Name-nq7tj I love your response as well as those of the primary author. This is the main 'bone' of contention! The bible was and never is misogynistic!
The thing is the original old testament is written in Aramaic. And the geek translation is not the original language of the old testament. It is however the original language of the new testament.
@@shannonprice9094 The OT was overwhelmingly written in Biblical/Classical Hebrew, with only a few sections--mainly verses in Daniel and Ezra--being originally written in Aramaic. Hebrew and Aramaic are closely related but distinct languages. The Septuagint, the Koine Greek translation of the OT, was written in the 3rd century BC, so it's quite old and quite reliable. There's nothing wrong with OP's mention of the Greek word here.
“Eve was not taken out of Adam's head to top him, neither out of his feet to be trampled on by him, but out of his side to be equal with him, under his arm to be protected by him, and near his heart to be loved by him.” - Matthew Henry
We learned the rib translation… but I always remember that my pastor would say “ side” also…. I understood that Adam and Eve technically are the same beings ie “ one body” “ and for this reason, a man leave his mother and his father and cleave ( which was taught “shackled “) and they shall be “one flesh” “ I and my father are one, you see me, you have seen the father”. To me that is to emulate the kind of unity God edifies … That husband and wife be so unified, that it is like they are the same person.. when you see one, you can see their partner within in them…. Forgive us Lord for not honoring marriage in the way it was intended..
There is an Irish poem that’s like “woman was not made from the foot to be stepped on, nor the head to be above man, but the rib to be by his side” 💀 the use of rib still conveys a similar understanding.
@TheCat 3 ephesians 5: 22 Let women be subject to their husbands, as to the Lord: 23 Because the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church. He is the saviour of his body.
@@MegaMackproductions the Bible can seem hypocritical when it comes to men vs women, but I have some insight. It says that women are subject to their husbands and fathers, however, this does not mean they are not equal. Remember that men are expected to give their lives in place if their wives and provide for them. Life sucked for everyone back then and men and women were perfectly equal in that regard. Equal and different
At my Catholic school they taught us that the rib was on the center of the body, that symbolized equality. She wasn't made from his foot (symbolizing subservience) or his Skull (symbolizing superiority), she was made from the middle.
But that explanation would prohibit use of trendy buzzword a throwing shade on our "primitive" ancestors. Honestly, whatever the intention was, it only made me hate this channel.
The rib protects a man's heart, the hole in his chest to make Eve, has such incredible symbolism on so many profound ways, speaking so much as to how important a woman is to her husband on so many levels, how much he needs her, how vulnerable he is to her... The lvl of actual misogyny in this video is whats amazing, how ignorant the content is is absolutely astounding.
That's pretty interesting, because in my culture even using the rib translation we use it as a way to express equality since ribs are kind of in your side
Yeah, I think you only take from it that women are inferior if you're already inclined to believe that, I've only read versions who translate that part as rib, but it never made me think less of women.
@Enrater 123 I wouldn’t even be able to count the number of times I’ve heard evil men use the rib cage idea in order to assert superiority over women. It’s the sort of misogyny that’s ingrained in our society, you don’t have to be actively thinking about it for the effects to not be there
@@enrater123 You don't, but other people who already feel superior to women use that as an argument. God created the men first and the women are only an incomplete part from a man, who are excluded from the entire bible's story and don't get any representation as something important for who they are or what they do except for birthing children or making God mad by eating forbidden apples. Imagine that's literally your gender's description for thousand of years in the most important literature work of the world. Humiliating, isn't it?
this dude is a problem with today society and promoting the division between men and women. nothing about the story of Eve promotes misogyny. this is just propaganda for views and likes
I remember a quote that said, "The woman came out of a man's rib, not from his feet to be walked on, and not from his head to be superior, but from his side to be equal. Under the arm to be protected, and next to the heart to be loved." So whether the translation isn't exactly correct, I still see Eve coming from Adam's rib no more or less than being equal to man. For both man and woman are made in the image of God.
Yeah, that's how I've seen it. Not what my translation says, but it never gave off a feeling of meaning the man was superior. I even recall many translations that use rib also call Adam and Eve equals. So it wouldn't even work to call women inferior anyways.
Here's the way it was taught to me: "Woman was created from the rib of man to be beside him, not from his head to top him, nor from his feet to be trampled by him, but from under his arm to be protected by him; near to his heart to be loved by him."
"The woman was made of a rib out of the side of Adam; not made out of his head to rule over him, nor out of his feet to be trampled upon by him, but out of his side to be equal with him, under his arm to be protected, and near his heart to be beloved." - Matthew Henry
I’ve studied this and another explanation is that I the rib is at the middle of the body, not like the foot or the head. So, according to many commentators from different centuries, it would actually defend this idea of equality between the man and the woman
Oh wait, just realized they taught me this in my Christian school when I was younger. Gotta start cross referencing with google about facts from my childhood 😅
'ala' (עלע) is actually just the aramaic cognate- the corresponding word descended from the same origin- of hebrew s̹ela' (צלע) (modern pronunciation 'tsela'). The ribs are called that in hebrew because they are on the sides of the body. This so-called "mistranslation" is very possible from the original text, it's just that most jewish sages indeed interpret it to mean "side", like you said.
@@flux9433Considering the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, I highly doubt that. Plus, God made everything that was good, and sin comes from Satan, so God wouldn't have made Adam bi, especially if it's considered a sin.
@@twinnedstar5515 except being Bi is inherently natural and therefore cannot be a sin. Unless of course you‘re a desert-dwelling sheep-herder that has no clue about nature
@@twinnedstar5515 considering your words, is clear u actually never read the Bible, especially THE ORIGINAL HEBREW ONE. Sodoma and Gomorrah was destroyed because they doesn't accepted the law of Yahwe, nothing to do with luxury and bisex things, all made up by church to fight omos. Sin comes from Satan? muhuahuah, Satan comes from God, a super stupid God incapable to delete Satan, on the contrary, he created satan, he turned him the king of hell, all made by your beloved God. 2nd: God made everything good? Really??? What about RULING SLAVERY?
In Quran God says “And from amongst His signs is that He created for you mates from among yourselves, so that you may dwell in tranquility with them” [30:21]
In grade school I had a boy tell me that men had one less rib than women because of the story. I called BS because I had seen actual human skeletons, both male and female, and knew that they had the same number of ribs. My dad was a science teacher and let me see the skeletons in the biology lab. We counted the number of ribs, probably for this exact purpose. Naturally the boy told me I was wrong because this is what he learned in Sunday school and I would know that if I went to Sunday school. This eventually devolved into a fuurious first grade.shouting match in front of the merry-go-round resulting in us being separated and having to stand by the wall for the rest of recess. I was pretty indignant over it all. Dad found it humorous and told I was right.
My understanding was that Eve was formed from Adam's side because she's meant to be his partner, his companion. If she were supposed to be subordinate, she would be created from his foot or his leg. And if the man were subordinate, Eve would have come out of his head or something weird like that.
To be honest, one very good part of the Bible is how you interpret it. Some might say that the rib is just “small and unimportant” but you have to keep in mind that it is vital in protecting all of your important organs like the heart and lungs. I would interpret the act of Adam giving up a rib for Eve as symbolic to show that he is giving up a part of himself guarding his heart and giving this protective bone to Eve, as in to protect her. Whatever other interpretations can be made but this is again one of my favorite things about the Bible, individual interpretation.
The word is rib. As a guy that speaks hebrew, I can easily tell that the word tsela simply just has double meaning: It can mean a rib, or a side of ageometric shape, like a square, triangle or a polygon.
People like you are important,never stay quiet pls. Its common for people to pull up lexicons are debate, but this guy was caught lying multiple times. Like now he chose the translation he prefered. He doesn't understand that if its accurate then it was probably done for a reason, even if uncommon
Also using logic when one says "my side hurts." You know pretty much what part of the body they're referring to. But, some people will do anything to dismantle religion.
Every single time I’ve been taught this verse it’s that the woman was formed out of a rib - coming from his side and close to his heart -> equal and loved I’ve always been taught that woman was equal because of the rib and that if woman were lesser, they’d have been made from his foot; and if woman were greater they’d have been made from his head
In modern Arabic (and Ancient Syrian) it is "Dhelaa", which means rip, and also the chest side, or the sides of a geometric shape (triangle, square ...). In Gen--Z modern Iraqi accent it is also a romantic word to mean you are close to my heart.
Interesting video, but can I just take a moment to vent that I *really hate* the trend of formatting TH-cam shorts so that the end dovetails back into the beginning. It's not an effective loop, nobody *wants* to watch these things repeatedly, all it does is create a moment of frustrated disorientation when it gets to the end and I watch the first sentence at the beginning again before I realize "Oh, it's looped aorund now." The fact that youtube shorts repeat without asking is *already* annoying, you don't have to make it worse.
Kinda makes me think of the Greek story that humans used to be 2 headed, four armed, four legged beings, and Zeus split them because he feared their power
You really don't want to be a Ham, Ham is the Butt, this Boy is a Idiot, read the Bible your self. there is nothing misogynistic about it, he lies like a Tick Riddled dog
1. In modern hebrew צלע means rib (usually) 2. My bible teacher from 8th and 9th grade wrote an article about that and he suggested that before Eve was created Adam hed 2 front sides, instead of one front and one back, were the back is supposed to be there was what I call "the Eve front" 3. Daniel isn't really written in hebrew but in aramaic, so I suggest not to use it as an argument about hebrew EDIT: I know modern and biblical hebrew are different. I didn't try to say that in biblical hebrew צלע means rib too. I just wanted to say that many hebrew speakers today think only on this interpretation so it is important for hebrew speakers to know that too. Thanks for all the comments and like, and feel free to correct spelling and grammar mistakes
Just on your first point, with the way languages evolve I wouldn't put to much emphasis on modern meanings of words, and with the importance of the Torah and later the Bible I would assume that this (mis)translation has largely contributed to the modern Hebrew translation.
As in Hebrew speaker I can tell you got a bit confused a tzela is a rib but in geometry it’s a side of a shape for example you could call a side of a triangle a tzela but outside of math usually tzela is rib
Does this also imply equity, as two oxen yoked side by side? Eve is not under foot, or from more “modest” area, nor even “under the hand” (sub- mit). So, tsela is “side”, not “single rib” … BUT not misogynistic.
I always heard that Eve was made from a rib bone to be equal to him, not from his foot (as to be below him) or from his head (to be above him) but that could easily be a modern take.
I had alway heard the same. She was to be by his side and he was to protect her. They are basically equals Eve’s biology gives her the power to create life. Adams’s biological differences means he is meant to also protect her. They are supposed to work in unison.
Ribs have the ability to regenerate and also hold high quality DNA, the annunaki knew what they were doing when they created us although they did make mistakes and left lots of junk in our DNA.
“The woman was made of a rib out of the side of Adam; not made out of his head to rule over him, nor out of his feet to be trampled upon by him, but out of his side to be equal with him, under his arm to be protected, and near his heart to be beloved.”
I love how in French we just like. Never know which one it’s supposed to be. Cause a rib is côte, and side is côté, and so as we don’t read it by ourselves, and hear regularly the mistranslations arguments, it’s lost in a fog of unclear memories. Thanks for the clarification
"Eve was not taken out of Adam's head to top him, neither out of his feet to be trampled on by him, but out of his side to be equal with him, under his arm to be protected by him, and near his heart to be loved by him."
I was taught that eve was made from his rib because it places her, and women in general, not by his feet to be trodden upon, not by his head to be higher then but under his arm to be protected by his heart to be loved and by his side to be his equal.
We learned in my art history class the other day that there are few paintings (prof said maybe 4) of the Temptation which show guilt equally between both Adam and Eve. The story goes that EVE was the first to fall to the temptation, and therefore she takes all the blame, as Adam would supposedly not fallen if she hadn't. This is historically a justification for the mistreatment of women, from barring them from owning property to mandating a societal dress code (women must wear a hat or veil). Of the few paintings that depict BOTH Adam and Eve at fault is Michelangelo's rendition of the story on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. Michelangelo, who often modeled his women very handsomely and muscular, while also modeling many of his men to be slender and delicate. Michelangelo, who is known to have had multiple male lovers! Anyways! At the time, suggesting that Adam held the same amount of blame as Eve did was a real big hot take and could've gotten him in trouble with the Papacy, for the same reasons that Eve "came from Adam's rib" rather than being his literal other half. The Bible was a book of moral law, there was no real separation of church and state, and if the Bible (which had already been translated, retranslated, edited, and otherwise vandalized to further certain social beliefs) stated that the Woman should be a second-class citizen, then that was to be upheld.
Damn, i always thought that the rib made reference to the fact that both are the same, your meat, your blood, and your bones, and both must love and care for each other because in the end they are the same.
@@Hopetoheaven80that would imply that god doesn’t love us all equally it’s a cruel and unnecessary punishment to cause me to endure pain for someone I don’t know 🤷🏻♀️ but that is just me
@@woodworking_fusion Yes because not everybody is a sola scriptura protestant. The bible is not an unambiguous rulebook and interpretations can be made, tradition and apostolic lineage is half of what guides non-protestant faiths, but even so, because of the varying interpretations of the bible, neither can just be assumed to be correct without taking into consideration other contextual clues throughout the bible.
I'll take a rack of BBQ Alas with a tsela of potato salad.
OK you are the frontrunner for the pinned comment
@@_magnify the Bible literally never claims women should be subordinate to men, anyone saying this is reading into the text their own biases
@@_magnify Was the translation taken directly from Hebrew. Or was the translated from Hebrew to another language eventually landing at English?
Cuz misogyny being the primary cause of this mistranslation sounds rather preposterous.
Good mnemonic.
@@namastereciprocity4549 Depends on the version. There are hundreds of versions of the Bible because everyone wants to mistranslate things in whatever way seems right to them. Some of them are translated through ither languages first, like the King James Bible, but others are more direct translations. Even my go-to version of the Bible, the NIV has some of these issues. The NIV is widely regarded as the most accurate direct translation of the text from the original languages into English. However, the NIV still translates this as "rib," and it has the word "hell" in it even though hell was a concept added much later.
The word(s) that the NIV and most other translations turn into "hell" is Gehinnom, which is a real-world location where Jews made ritual sacrifices of animals and people to God. Today, we still have vestiges of this word as Gehenna which is often associated with twisted and dark things like Barghests.
The Hebrew language at the time did not have a word for hell because they did not believe in hell. So Gehinnom and it's various forms have been coopted by modern Christians into being "Hell" so that they can preach fire and brimstone to scare people into being religious.
So... Adam performed mitosis
I mean if god really made everything including fish that change sex and cells that already do mitosis... not any wilder an assumption than anything else in the bible
Yes
If God can call into existence the entire universe as a whole, its not unreasonable to think he can do a little mantosis
Not unreasonable just super uncomfortable that God cab chose any moment and just mitosis someone into 2 someone
@@KHolt22 😂😂😂
Oh but the translation as "his other side" is so much more romantic. Literally his other half/soul mate
Except with the behavior of men, that CANNOT be true.
@@nothereyetlostbro, wth. Let this be wholesome moment
@@dualitygrief576 no. There have been enough lies. You men are liars. Let’s remember when you said women couldn’t read bc they weren’t as smart. That was an intentional and more will no longer be tolerated
@@nothereyetlost saying the behavior of men as if we're a hivemind💀 Yeah obviously men are gonna treat you poorly if you act like that
@@goose1114 yeah you ARE a hive mind. You pretend to be different but I’ve clocked the same exact mentality in ALL of you. but please stop with the fucking lies. Men don’t, and have never needed a reason to treat anyone poorly. Wherever there are men, there is destruction of ALL sorts. Notice I don’t have to say whenever there are bad men or “some men”. It says MEN. Wherever there are MEN, destruction of all sorts follow. It’s ALL of you.
That’s bc bc that’s your core biology-demons. I mean case in point, men are going to treat me poorly if I have an opinion. Ignoring isn’t an option?? Oh right that’s only for normal humans. Demons will treat you poorly just having a negative opinion, hell just for existing. You only proved me correct.
"bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh"
Adam didn't consider her insignificant.
But the translators of the King James Bible did.
@RoonMian that translation has high accuracy with ancient manuscripts. God did make the man head of his own house, that is, ruler of it. That doesn't mean she is insignificant. Christ told men to love their wives even as He loved them.
@@312diag "that translation has high accuracy with ancient manuscripts"
Haha, no, it doesn't.
@@RoonMian it's written in early modern english, not modern american english. trying to understand it in modern american english causes and will cause much misunderstanding. i've witnessed this very problem with people REPEATEDLY.
@@312diag Forget it man, you're sitting in the comment section of a video clearly showing you a politically motivated mistranslation in the King James Bible, one of many, and you decide to be obtuse.
Nothing I say will get through to you because you won't let it so I'm not going to waste my time.
Adam canonically preformed mitosis
God mitosised Adam
Then they had kids.
no way, lore
You can’t just say that misogyny isn’t the reason that we put the rib in our translation.
based Vee pfp :)
“Eve was not formed from Adam’s head, so that she wouldn’t rule over him. She wasn’t formed from his feet so that he wouldn’t walk over her. Rather, Eve was formed from his side so that they may stand together, side by side.”
This is beautiful. Thank you! I find it limiting, inaccurate, & harmful to the whole of society to only see things thru the lens of oppression rather that unity.
And from close to his heart (his rib) so she would be loved
Preach man. Some idoits always want to explain God with their limited intellect.
This is sweet.🥰
Cute but blasphemous.
This suddenly makes calling your lover you "other half" make a lot more sense.
This is a great explanation. I know there's a lot of purposeful incorrect/misleading translations in order to keep women submissive to men, but love learning true examples.
I also am wondering how this fits in with Greek mythology of humans being split
the way I understood calling the "your better half" as a story from plato's symposium where they all get drunk and aristophanes talks about how we're all split in half. like humans were all two-headed combined people and zeus was scared of us so we all got split in half and intrinsically desire to become whole again.
Don't you mean... your BETTER half? 😁
@@Rikenbo My friend, anyone is better than me, and by far more than half :P
So all the scholars in the world Got this wrong and all of a sudden this guy has the correct translation?
He's not the first one to say this by any means. People have known about this for a while
@user-eh5mw8tm4n she came from his “side”… she still came from HIM!🤣🤣🤣
It also led to doctors spending centuries _insisting_ that this meant men had fewer ribs than women.
Lol
It's so ridiculous.mysogyny will literally have ppl denying the existence of Ur bones 😭
By that logic if a man cuts his hair before conceiving the baby is going to be bald😂😂😂
@@adolphgracius9996 Clearly the reason so many infants are born bald!
Remember, correlation implies causation!
@@adolphgracius9996 true hahaha
“Eve was not taken out of Adam's head to top him, neither out of his feet to be trampled on by him, but out of his side to be equal with him, under his arm to be protected by him, and near his heart to be loved by him.”― Matthew Henry
Now cook my dinner *itch
@@okd521 Most loving christian:
@@jayseaandfriends in ohio*
Adam was weak without that rib, Eve was crucial to be that part of strength. Together the are one.
You folks would be shocked to read Martin Luther's opinions on the value of women haha 🤯
Nah, she came from an electric car. They just misspelled it.
How do you get Chevrolet Bolt from that?
Oh, took me a second to get that
@@ChaaFound97 I imagine the game broken telephone would get you there 😅
My dyslexia did the same to me too. Ha, that's funny.
@@CheckItOutHOODREVIEWS you have to read it in reverse then
What’s wholesome about this is that it infers that Adam and Eve are two halves of a whole, which means that they quite literally completed each other.
That’s also the concept of a marriage isn’t it man and woman come together to become one flesh.
No it's disgusting because I implies Adam is the "full" version of human and Eve is just a subordinate secondary "half" version of human. Were you even listening to the video??
@@archayz2 Maybe physically yeah but he isn't complete without Eve in a spiritual level at the very least it made him feel as so. It is quite a sweet story without the modern-day perversion, you literally have two innocent beings loving each other in the purest way possible. There were no feelings of superiority/superiority as that feeling was merely a concept then, nothing but a myth. Regardless by how they came about they cared for each other and treated each other with respect. If anything, it is you who considers Eve as part human. Also, perhaps Adam was full until Eve was created which made them both halves to each other's whole. Even if you want to look at it your way Eve is made out of literal bone one of the most important parts of the human body, versus Adam who was made out of dust. Regardless, you believe that because it is what you want to believe. At the end of the day that is just how God made them.
@@archayz2it’s disgusting because that’s how you perceive it, if you think symbolically then a rib bone is not as insignificant as the man in the video says since each rib is vital if you ever known someone who’s broken one. Anyways fun fact is that biologically speaking the story of the eve created from adam is actually swapped due to the sex chromosomes having the men XY chromosomes be a branch of the XX female chromosome
@@archayz2its just a different interpretation
As someone who speaks Hebrew, I know Tzela for a person means your closest friend or companion, basically meaning equal.
בחיים לא שמעתי מישהו קורא לחבר טוב ״צלע״
@@Couldbedumber צודק/ת
וואלה מישהו פה לא מדבר עברית יאללה תמשיך להוציא דברים מהתחת
מישהו אי פעם אמר לחבר שלו- וואי איזה צלע טוב אתה!
אבל למה להמציא שקרים
native hebrew speaker here, this guy is full of shit and no one ever calls their friend a tzela.
tzela literally means rib
@@leahchambre1650 יש "צלע שלישית",
זאת אומרת צד שלישי לא קשור,
במערכת יחסים שבה יש שני צלעות, צדדים שווים וקרובים
A third tsela means a third wheel in Hebrew
In Dutch translations, it is translated as “side”. I have always wondered where this expression came from about Eve coming from Adams ribs
In America, we're all taught that she was made from his rib, and the dirt he was lying in.
I mean only one of his ribs.
We're told that's why women have one more rib bone than men also.
@@WillBlindYouWithLightto clarify about this we’re not all taught this, it’s only religious people we aren’t taught this in school
interestingly enough it also coincides with the fact that Men have XY Chromosomes and Women have XX Chromosomes.
@SARAH-qx8yi btw women do not have 1 more rib than men please don't believe this that's not how genetics works!
Ugh jfc
A long story short of this comment:
When the Bible referred to "the side taken from the man" it defined what that side was the very verse preceding the one mentioned in the video: "his rib"
I looked at the hebrew translation of genesis. The same translated verse does show that the word הַצֵּלָ֛ע(has-seh-la) means side.
However, I looked at genesis 2:21, the verse before, and found the word מִצַּלְעֹתָ֔יו(mis-a-lo-ta) meaning "his rib" where it says God Yahweh takes one of "his rib"s.
Also, the very next verse that you mentioned said "God Yahweh took the 'side' he took from the man" likely referring to the rib God Yahweh had taken from Adam's side
thanks for taking the time to show this.
I was really wondering this. If the word DOES mean side OR rib like some were saying, then maybe this video is incorrect but how are we sure that rib IS correct? Considering the word isn't used for rib anywhere else while a different word is used to reference a rib every other instance, it seemed weird to decide that this one meant rib and not side, assuming the word had both meanings like some are saying (I'm assuming it did historically and isn't just a later evolution of the translation?). So the presence of further context here makes it make a lot more sense as to where they'd get it from.
I guess you could still argue a better translation might be side as that can be interpreted as rib through context from the previous verse, like how they decided that when translating it, whereas rib takes a more precise definition that may not be as accurate to the linguistic intent. Like the same story either way but maybe it's better to use the broader translation and let the reader realise that side is probably the rib he just took. Translating is really interesting and complicated though so there's a ton of choices to make and history and context to look into
That wasn't Yahweh. Do you even know the difference between El and Jehovah, as well? What about I AM? The old testament is chock full of false fallen angels. It's evident in the fruit. Replace "Jesus" every time it says god in the OT and tell me it doesn't contradict.
@@thanatosgarvey3701silence HERETIC.
Ribs are insignificant until you break one
Eh, you can live without a couple of ribs no problem, very few other body parts you can do without like that
😂
@@benadrylcumbersplatch6448 Ya men can live without women to. Less headaches like that.
@@arnoldvezbon6131too bad you will never have to worry abt that since none of them will go 10 feet near you
@@tiporial hah sorry bro I have 4 kids and she makes sandwiches too.
anyone who refers to a rib as tiny or insignificant has clearly never broke one before...
My floating rib is cracked from a sneeze! Idk about him, but my ribs don’t play the radio
Choose between losing a rib or the side of your body. I think you may see that they aren’t equal in importance.
Then consider the difference between Eve being a rib bone or an equal half of a whole. It’s a very different view of her level of humanity.
Ah yes, breaking one rib bone would be just as significant as breaking half of your entire body
i think you would rather break one rib than half your body
I fell and broke two or three ribs (The x-ray was indeterminate about the third rib) in June 2020. Nearly three years later, the pain has never gone away.
Translating the Hebrew word (Strong’s H6763) as rib is neither insignificant nor misogynistic. According to Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew English lexicon:
צֵלָע n.f.(m.) rib, side - 1. rib of man. 2. rib of hill, i.e. ridge, or terrace. 3. side-chambers or cells (enclosing temple like ribs). 4. ribs of cedar and fir, i.e. planks, boards (pl.), of temple wall, floor. 5. leaves of door. 6. side, of ark (אֲרוֹן); of tabern. (מִשְׁכָּן); of altar.
It’s one thing to ask about and research scripture to gain a better understanding of God‘s Word (Elohim Logos)(John 1:1-14) but it borders on heresy and blasphemy to criticize the great I AM (Exodus 3:13-14) for His choice of Words that He dictated to Moses to write and say. (Exodus 3:15).
You are correct that there are 40 occurrences of the Hebrew word in 31 verses; you are correct that only two occurrences in these two verses, Genesis 2:21-22 are translated as rib. You are, however, COMPLETELY WRONG to assign human error and sin to God‘s Word (Job 1:22).
As a Hebrew speaker: it is both right and wrong, “tzela’” (צלע) does really mean “side”, for example every line in a triangle/square is “tzela’”, a cliff is translated to “the mountain tzela’”, but in Hebrew we use body parts to describe things in a figurative way, “head of the mountain” is a mountaintop, “belly of the mountain” is in the depth of the cave, “heart of the sea” is far from land, “his right hand” is the one who was supporting him, “on the face of the land” to describe things that are on the surface (literally or figuratively) and ect.
“tzela’” in the “side” meaning is figurative use like “head of the family” in the meaning of “top”.
In the Torah, genesis chapter 2, passuk 21-22 there is a description of the plural version (tzela-single, tzla’ot-plural), this is a rough translation from Hebrew: “and (god) took one of his (Adam) tzla’ot and closed meat underneath, and (god) shaped the tzela’ that (god) took from the man(=Adam) to a woman and gave her to the man(=Adam)”
The passuk itself is misogynistic (because women are described as god gift to men), but how you described it is not true because it’s not a wrong translation, it’s a figurative use.
It is right that it came from the Aramaic word “ala” עלע but there are a lot of Hebrew words with Aramaic origin that had this letter shift (from aain to tz, from d to z, from deep t to tz, from th to sh, and ect) and sometimes the older version in use (to this day even in modern Hebrew, the root of the word 3 is th-l-th in Aramaic and in Hebrew is sh-l-sh, when we count we say “shalosh” or “shlosha”, but the 3 in the term for 3D or “3 phase electric power” for example is by the old pronunciation and is “tlat”), the book Daniel in specific have a lot of Aramaic in it and not just words that are originated in aramic, the plural word “עלעין” written there is in aramic sentence, not Hebrew.
What would Adams tzela be in this context?
Replying so I can get the answer whenever you give it. What does the word mean in the context to the passage?
So...... what does the word mean? All that information, yet none of it actually tells us what it means.
@@newcreation1221 rib
@@bosserman444 I am not sure I understand the question, can you please ask it with different words?
At this point If i breathe too heavy im misogynist
ok mr victim whatever you say
@@bububooie sure sissy
@@darthkeron9044 wait you just proved everyone right lol, you are just a misogynist, your default comeback is to call someone a girl as an insult
i don’t get why you’re whining. they were right
@@bububooievideos like this make the term misogyny mean nothing
In my native language the word "wife" literally translates to "halfness"
I always loved that
in my native language, javanese, wife is "Garwo." which stands for "Sigaran Jiwo." which also translates to "half of the soul."
what is your native language?
@@Integritys_Sum Hungarian 🇭🇺
And then there's spanish.
Esposas
@@sipibabyi knew it 🇭🇺🇭🇺🇭🇺
It gives the term “my better half “ a deeper meaning
that incorrect term
where's better half if a rib isn't half at all😂
it also means nothing as he's framing this completely from assumptions..ESPECIALLY THE "misogynist" part.
That’s corny as hell if a man says that
Clearly this would be the same or original meaning
My cracked rib took that tiny insult personally.
Lol was coming to say that. Broke 3 of my ribs and let me tell you, they don’t feel so little.
😂😂😂
I cracked my rib during wrestling training, took a guy spearing me full-throttle to do it.
And considering rib bones are sharp enough to pierce organs, yet protect them, I wouldn’t call them tiny or insignificant
@@Danny191 -- well stated.
How long until it grows into a fully formed girlfriend?
As a Christian I never, not once, thought that Eve came from a little insignificant part of Adam or even cared if it was a rib or not lol
At the church camp I went to growing up the boys would chant “spare rib” at us girls so I can’t relate 😅
I always imagined that he took a rib as a starting point just to be extra certain they were equal and made the rest of Eve from dirt like he did with Adam.
My church taught VERY literally that she came from a rib
@@ER-sj4vk lmfao wtf
@@Tensho_C It was so messed up looking back on it hahahha
I am israeli here, with hebrew being my first language. As you said, the word tsela (צלע) in hebrew means part, like the three parts of a triangle are tselas. It’s also the anatomical word for the ribs, the tselas. However the usual translation that is being explained to us is that when God took a rib from Adam, he actually took a part of him, but made it an individual piece. In today’s society, you can view this as how a male and female are indeed individual pieces, but ultimately they are on of the same and cannot live without the other.
I was thinking the exact same thing!
how about Lilith?
@@alexanderbrandt That's essentially a folktale
@@watching7721the story of Adam and eve is a falktal too. e
And women are the inferior sex, having come from the rib, not the head which signifies the head nor the feet which signifies slavery
Makes a lot more sense now when someone says "you're my other half"
It's said because you're not complete without your better half.
@@Auvas_Damask
1) Break the system with two partners
2) you all become 3/2s of a person
3) profit
Lucky you.
In my dialect of English, at least, your friends approach you with,
"So, this is your *better* half."
Can you imagine how my feelings are hurt!
😅
@@jasonayres it all balances out 😂
It just proves that we always knew the truth of the matter.
If you consider what the rib cage protects, you might not see it as misogynistic.
I think a lot of people use it to be misogynistic. Growing up and going to church camp the boys definitely thought they were superior just because they had dicks
Nobody here thought that way! Amazing it is! 😍
My christian elementary school literally taught me that men anatomically have one less rib than women because of this story of the creation of women.
99% of us have the same number of ribs. Though interestingly we have two floating ribs that dont attach to the sternum.
The only bones differing in skeletal systems are the hips for childbirth. That how we tell genders
@ThePhatLady you can tell by the rib cage shape as well. Also, the q angle, angle of femur
@vasylpark2149 nope, just the hips.
Edit. I'm incorrect please look at other comments to see that the hips are not the only bone structure to prove the two genders. God bless
@ThePhatLady im studying this as a radiologic technologist. You can visibly see the difference on men and women.
Most men have to have a crosswise (landscape) chest x-ray vs. most women have a lengthwise chest x-ray.
As a professional translator, in classes we were shown many, many, way too many examples of translations that are not the _most_ correct but they served a veeeery specific purpose. That’s why we talk and learn about ethics in translation.
Very interested. Care to share more examples?
@@albertoandrade9807 lets look at the
mere fact that the context clues right after the verse, which is what you have to do to find the meaning behind words that have multiple meanings, Adam directly says to God, I shall call her WOman for she COMES from man, this is now BONE of my BONE and flesh of my flesh, The bible lists men being the head of women , that they were made first so they lead, Jesus then is the head of the man, and if men do not love their wives like God loves the church (jesus) then they aren't doing Gods will, Men are told LOVE your wives and treat them right.
the entire bible disproves this interpretation, you could pull from the entire bible up to jesus's death on mens role, Jesus had to die as a man as the bible says because he HAD to be the second adam to reverse the sin of adam ( one man sinned and all made sinners now one mans obediance *jesus , now all made rightous by faith
The curse on all man kind didn't even happen until ADAM sinned, because he was the lead and head of mankind, Satan didn't tempt adam,he tempted eve because he didn't want to challenge the head first, he knew he had to go in reverse order and get the second so that the second could convince the lead,he is very very smart. Fastforward to now and you see that satan is trying to make the lead feminine and femine masculine,you could see the evidence of this very idea of the head and the second being important for satan to attack in the world
Now lets Go to jesus saying word for word that mankind DURING the end of the world days become feminine, and it was rare for women so it says "and EVEN their women will do this and exchange the natural use of eachother for the same, Man will be with man and women shall be with women
so the entire bible testifies this guy is wrong, God also values equality of man and women in The love of the church joined together, it is simply the LENS of todays view of what the bible meant that skews it!
Also look up bible verses that have multiple meanings in its langauge and how they find the verse meaning, The multiple meanings for one word ARE ALL throughout the bible, and it actually is the argument made by ppl like jehova witness for thinking God was not jesus and they take a meaning and try to flip it and only can get as far as saying "jesus was A god" and then take that and say jesus was an angel, Mormons say the same thing.
@@jsbaldo5556 right On !
@@jsbaldo5556 the beginning part of your comment assumes the Bible was written in English and then you went on a tangent stemmed from that assumption.
@@jsbaldo5556 exactly brother.
adam: god, im lonely
God, grabbing a battle axe: i can fix that
That’s funny.
But just wanted to say, that Eve was actually a “God thing”.
“Then the Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper who is just right for him.””
Genesis 2:18 NLT
@@jamoniansdoesn’t change the fact that the women only exists and was created for the man
All powerful god, but he can’t manage simple translations.
@@alcottrell2527No it’s people who are not believers who don’t understand. What a foolish thing to say.
@@jamesmonroe6291 okay, so are you going to explain it. Or pretend that it’s self evident because your opinion is obviously superior to mine?
hey I'm a fluent Hebrew speaker and to anyone wondering the word "tsela" in Hebrew in that contents it does mean rib bone.
this guy was talking about the "tsela" that is a straight line that connects to points in a closed shape. example:
a square has four "tselaot" (multiple "tsela)
"I'd like a perfect partner..."
"It'll cost you an arm and a a leg."
"What can I get for a rib? "
“A woman”
“Oh what will i miss out on?”
“Well… everything”
"We can do a partner for a whole set of ribs coming up
"Nah, just 1 rib"
"...1 Rib?"
"I sure am in need a partner"
🤣 Good one!
I'd rather not give half and not have a partner.
A woman who eats an apple
As a modern Hebrew speaker, I would like to add that today Tsela is used for "edge" in the context of geometry. Like in "a square has 4 edges" but also literally a rib.
This original meaning is completely new to me 😅
The guy who made the video be like “MY SOURCE IS I MADE IT THE FK UP”
@@carter_schwertmanNo... He didn't make it up. The source is literally "THE MESSAGE" where everything that isn't the message is misogynistic. It's funny how one weird cult makes fun of another one that way.
@@hiiambarney4489 I’m not following that first sentence what’s so ever, but also, sure, by definition, christianity is a “cult” but saying that in the modern day makes everyone think we wear robes and sacrifice babies. If your atheist I engage you to do one thing, do research to disprove God, but that means you have to read the Bible a little and disproven him under the obvious results he has given us
@@hiiambarney4489Blackrock is a cult? 🤔
@@carter_schwertman
That is backwards. If you say God exists then you provide the evidence.
We say that you have not made your case.
And you read the Bible from in the beginning to Amen.
And not just certain selected portions.
Adam was literally created from dirt, how superior.
exactly. we were born from dust. we're not superior. God is.
Amen. It is written we were taken out of the ground, dust we are and to the dust we shall return. Beware of those preaching false teachings. All praise be to God
And Eve wasn't even worth dirt.
Use
your
brain!
Because dirt holds DNA. Cant make something from nothing. Better to come from dirt than to be so low that u cone from soneone else
@@petercastagnetta9591 . . . . . . . . . . . .
The main point is Eve was created for Adam ! Not Adam for Eve! Something to ponder on !
I saw this from a loving Christian: She came not from his skull, to be above or superior to him, nor from his foot to be beneath or inferior, but from a rib next to his heart due to her being equal and always to be held close to his heart.
very cool. the thing i like about it is that you can just make up whatever and say god said it!
except a woman is beneath a man and is to be subservient, this is stated over and over and over both new and old testament.
Exactly how interpreted in Quran
In Quran it means that Eve (hazrat Hawwa) was formed from the rib of Adam (Hazrat Aadum) because ribs are supposed to protect the vital organs in a humans body.
Hence a woman is known to protect his heart and the vital organs.
Christianity is delusional anyways what does it matter if she came from a giant tub of pudding it doesn’t matter where she came from cause it’s just fiction
@@7F0X7 because of the sun that eve committed and convinced Adam of doing the same causing God to punish them that being one of her punishments
It's actually translated as side in my language. So my people gather it meant as a partner or the other half. It's a popular wedding passage.
You should talk about how Adam calls her Ishah, and what that means. It's beautiful.
(Roughly, the part of me that was missing, or makes me complete.)
No, because that would go against his narrative 🤫
@@trizzynahhh5736no, it doesn’t, that’s just poor media comprehension on your part
@AwesomeExplosion His narrative being built on misogyny and scripture making no such implications or claims. His interpretation is false. No I comprehend just fine, thank you.
@@awesomeexplosion3852care to elaborate?
@@trizzynahhh5736 He's narrative isn't trying to disprove scripture. He specifically says "The reason behind that *translation choice* might be misogyny." He also brings up several examples, for instance when he brought up the example in which the bear is gnawing on a rib, or the several examples of the same word being translated differently when used in other instances in the Bible.
As far as I can tell from his other content, he seems to be an earnest Christian. It's clear he contextualizes the Bible in it's native languages considering the examples above. He also recognizes bias in translators, separating the works of men from the inspired work of God.
I'm Islamic, and in our story, Adam and Eve have always come from the same thing, as two different sides. There's another philosophy that all women have a man and all men have a woman that come from their other side, and they're incomplete without the other.
Things are Islamic, not people. In English, you are a Muslim, not Islamic. Your beliefs are Islamic, not you.
@@alahiri2002You missed the point.
@@alsyrriad I did not. I made a separate point about what those words mean in English.
Ok so as a Hebrew speaker, Tsela does mean rib. But it also does mean side, in the context of geometric shape’s sides usually.
The plot thickens!
Oh you mean it's not a misogynistic conspiracy?!
Thanks for clarifying.
@@MrJonathanRace anytime dude
@@michaelharris2yeah the TH-camr in this short has something against religion
Part of my wedding vows referred to Eve coming from Adam's side. Not his foot to be trampled on, nor his head to rule over, but from his side to be an equal partner.
I'm really glad you did that!
That’s beautiful
That is how I have been taught that story my entire life, never has anyone preached to me that women are lesser than men. It’s a partnership.
Yep, that is the way I have always heard it explained.
and under his arm for him to keep close to his heart and protected by him
Arabic, a sister language of Hebrew has a corresponding word ضلع (Dile') that means rib, among other things like "bent/crooked". This word is used in the Genesis account in the Arabic translation. It seems that rib is a legitimate meaning of the semitic root [D/ts l ']. (Among other meanings). Also, the text in Genesis 2 talks about closing up the flesh after taking the צֵלָע. It sounds like God took something out of Adam physically, giving semantic contextual support to the meaning "rib" for this word in this case.
Yes! "Closing up the flesh" definitely seems to point towards rib
If you take someone's side, I bet they will need some flesh closing, too.
@@thomast7794uhm so what are you trying to say?
@@davidaa82if you split someone in half, you're going to have to close up flesh as well.
The "closing up flesh" line could support either
What exactly is the "side" he would have physically taken that requires closing up of the flesh? A missing rib isn't that significant for normal life, but if Adam had a huge chunk of flesh removed (his "side"), it would be more problematic.
"Side" just doesn't seem to work very well in the context, whereas "rib" (a possible translation of the word) doesn't pose the same problem.
As a guy who is a native hebrew speaker, the word: צלע is closer to Geometric side than to a side although it is sometimes used as a side but in Israel I learned in a religious Jewish school that it's infact a rib and not a side
This is the comment that should be pinned. But it won't because this dude is a scoffer.
My mom always taught me that women didn’t come from Adams foot, she came from his rib, and therefore she was never meant to be beneath him, but beside him. 🙂
I think that's always been the traditional view. I've heard the analogy go something like this -- Eve wasn't taken from Adams foot to be a slave, or his head to be a master. She was taken from his rib to walk beside him, close to his heart to be loved, and under his arm to be protected.
Lilith. The first woman
@@moniqueengleman873 I thought Eve was the first woman
@@slime_katzuaccording to the dead sea scrolls Lilith was the first woman. She left the garden bc she did not want to submit to Adam, was transformed into a beast of sorts and became the first demon. Thats the short version.
@@KaiserAres that's some other made up story that was an attempt to put cracks in the bible, truth is Eve is the first, there was no other if God created you to be with someone, and have you that soul purpose, that is what you will do, like it or not.
As a Hebrew speaker tsela mean both side and rib but most commonly used as rib
what about "ala,"? Why the Bible/TNK use the words the way it did but the translators didn't like it?
@@letsomethingshineala isn't in Hebrew
Genesis is written in Hebrew and not Aramaic so there is no reason to use Ala
I think the guy in the video just wanted to mention misogyny to show he’s against it… hopefully it’ll get him laid one day
@@jbapples4611It certainly feels like it
Are you sure this isn't because of the story of Genesis and wasn't always the case?
Though I didn’t know this etymology, I’ve always been taught that the rib from his side was a symbol of how he and Eve were equal. Not taken from his head, that she should lead him, or from his foot that she should be trampled upon, but side by side partners. Same with the concept of “an helpmeet”-that it’s intended to mean that husband and wife are partners. It’s beautiful to me.
You need that rib brother....when its missing you will understand...just because something is small, does not mean its insignificant...
Your being alittle slow, He (swt) made it from a rib, can also mean used its dna to create Howa (Eve)...
Similarly when the trumpet is blown for the day of judgement, only part of ourbody will be left will be lowest part of our spine...then Allah swt will grow us again using that small insignificant bone to us....in modern terms using our dna from the bone....
Between the two blowings of the Trumpet and before the beginning of the revival of the dead, AllahSWT will send down the Blessed Rain from the sky to initiate the resurrection:
“And it is Allah Who sends the winds, so that they raise up the clouds, and We drive them to a dead land, and revive therewith [by its rain water] the earth after its death. Likewise [will be] the Resurrection!” [Surah Al-Fâṭir, 35:9]
The Prophet (SAW) further elaborated on the phenomenon of resurrection in the following traditions which mention the little bone at the tailend of the coccyx:
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah’s Apostle said: “Between the two soundings of the trumpet, there will be ‘forty.’ Somebody asked Abu Huraira, “Forty days?” But he refused to reply. Then he asked, “Forty months?” He refused to reply. Then he asked, “Forty years?” Again, he refused to reply. Abu Huraira added, “Then (after this period) Allah will send water from the sky, and then the dead bodies will grow like vegetation grows. There is nothing of the human body that does not decay except one bone: that is the little bone at the end of the coccyx -of which the human body will be re-created on the Day of Resurrection.” (Ṣaḥîḥ al-Bukhari 4935)
Now christians you should thank me for this, instead of hating muslims....we know how to answer athiests...its easy
Forever wearing my burka
@@salampakistan3691 Dude… nobody asked you to preach. If someone asks, go for it, but giving a mini-sermon (or whatever the Muslim word for a service is, I’m afraid I don’t know it) completely unprompted kinda just makes you look like an asshole. Especially if you’re denigrating atheistic people and demanding other religions praise you for doing so? It kinda taints your whole message.
Tjat is beautiful but that isnt wjere it came from its just a pretty way to doll it up after the fact
Anyone know who painted that bear? Big fan of that style.
The woman was made not above the man at rhe head or below at the feet, but right beside him, since and woman and man depend on one’s another and complete one another. Thats te way ive heard it been interpreted and it’s beautiful
lol noooooo it's cuz MYSOGENYYYYYAAAAHHHHHHH!
And something to do with under the arm for protection and by the heart for love.
Thanks you
Yeah its literally the way that is always teached, i dont know where the misoginy is
always remember if somebody is telling you about the Bible, while not believing in the Bible, you don't need to listen. This guy thinks killing an unborn child is a woman's healthcare choice, while simultaneously believing women have penises 😁
I'm no expert, but speak several languages. Language is a very metaphorical thing. The root of words very often mean something conceptual, certainly in Semitic languages. A rib is actually always part of a pair. Also, a side can exist only as part of a pair as well. If you would look for the conceptual essence of a word, you are often also closer to the intended meaning when the word is used as métaphore. So rib, side, equal part of, are essentially all the same in the metaphorical sense.
It is because people like to read 'rib' almost in a literal sense that everything gets messed up.
The majority of Christianity here in America demands that it all be literally true for some reason. It’s not enough for them that Jesus is a great role model and loving and treating each other in a loving empathetic and compassionate way is an awesome way to live. For some reason it all has to be literally true to hold credence.
Which is odd to me. They do indeed cherry pick which parts are “real” and which parts are metaphorical themselves. Just remember, THEY decide where that line is drawn, not you logical thinking humans😂
thanks God for commmon sense
@@mikehuff9793 because you know the majority of Christianity in America or are making a sweeping generalisation? 😂😂
this is exactly what frustrates me about the Bible and other theological texts. What an individual deems metaphorical or literal can change so much about the inherited meaning. And this results in cherry picking verses AND interpretations essentially leading religious proponents to preach anything they want using religious texts as “evidence”
@@Dragonaiis thèse texts are needed when the number of followers becomes to big for the profet to address or the profet is no longer capable of addressing people himself (because he dies?!). It is the only way in which the message can be preserved but indeed has big flaws due to the opportunity for misuse. The Qur'an specifically instructs you te research yourself!
Just listening to the bible project where they go into this. To God be the glory!!
you are a part of a cult. You really think evolution from simpler lifeforms mutating and reproducing for billions of years is less likely than an all powerful, all knowing, universe creating god, sculpting a man from mud and a woman from a part of him? Do you know how pregnancy works? Have you ever seen an ultra sound? Do you have any idea how basic biology works?
You have a link to the episode?
Also, God bless you, & everyone that reads this, with wonderful avalanches of financial abundance, under grace, in perfect ways, for the highest good of all concerned 🌱📈💰
I started on the Bible project, I listened to many of their long podcasts. I really got into them. I even got mad when Allen Parr criticized Tim Mackie and defended Tim many times. Then I read the whole Bible and when I realized Tim's version of Hell was more like Jordan Peterson I stopped.
Lol screw the god that let the only thing in existence that is linked to him be mistranslated
@jack unknown not to mention the big question, which God? Also why only one? Most religions and all the original ones where polytheistic. How can you tell which religion is absolute truth and all the rest of the religions and the millions of followers are wrong about?
As a child I never interpreted this as a women being less significant than a man, I always thought “Wow my God is so great he can make another person with something as little as a rib”
In French, it is translated to Adam's "côté" (literally "side") wich ressembles "côte" (=rib), so the translation "mistake" isn't universal and probably isn't voluntary either. It probably comes from an ancient meaning of the word "ribs" or from a intermediary translation into latin for example
The creator of this video isnt actually making a point. He's just virtue signaling
@@immaculata_marian sounds like he’s making a pretty good and interesting point
@@taramackenzie6877 some people like to pretend that because they're invested in something it's impossible for that thing to have bad qualities
Yeah, but the translator always has a bias. And most translations of the Bible are done from greek and latin, and then towards other languages, making the "translation error" constant throughout the languages.
@@immaculata_marian How is that even virtue signaling? Do you even know what that means? lol
The way I understood the story was she came from the rib, which is beside him, not above him, and not below him. It protects his heart.
“They may stand together, side by side”
That’s an interesting way to see it :0
Ya. The size of the part of Adam is not significant. By this "rib is small therefore women are lesser" logic then God would literally have to chop Adam in half to make Eve an equal partner.
You are exactly right. The rib coming from the side symbolises equality, unity, and interdependence.
Exactly!
If your ribs are beside you, you have a problem. And whether it protects your heart or not… like your sternum… that’s not equal.
Religious people need to leave science and anatomy to the scientists, and just give up on the reasoning and morality altogether, they don’t seem to be working out for yas.
Whether it says rib or side, it really makes no difference as it gives the same effect. As Mathew Henry said, "Eve was not taken out of Adam's head to top him, neither out of his feet to be trampled on by him, but out of his side to be equal with him, under his arm to be protected by him, and near his heart to be loved by him." Rib or side, we can get the picture. It's all about perspective!
People that seek negativity will always find it.
I remembered this quote but forgot who said it!
Amazing quote
I love this beautiful!❤️
Damn . I love this !
Or, you know, they found it implausible that man missing half of his body could live or walk.
But they found it plausible a person can grow out of a rib?
So based on the research I’ve done about this bloody word, I’m actually willing to believe it means both “rib” and “side” at once, since the “side” meaning actually evolved from its use that meant the rib as curved.
In essence, it means “a part of him from his side”.
A cloned body part.
SEEE!?!?!?!?!?!?! MYSOGINY!!!!!!!
Yeah, I've seen Hebrew speakers commenting on this and they all said the word means "rib". 🤷♂️
Wow, who would've guessed that this video that opened with black Adam and blaming misogyny would've been making a political revision of history instead of honest research.
@@sttate Have you never seen an Israelite before?
When the homie rewrites the Bible.
He isn't the first! lol
When every homie rewrites the bible that gets ahold of it and then later on a group of homies decide which verses should be allowed to be in the bible, removing large portions of the stories written to focus on the ones that specifically served their desires, and then a bunch of homies using that thousands of years later to oppress various groups. From the witch burning that oppressed women for centuries, to them using it to justify the slave trade, and modern times using it to deny gay rights, and send trans people to conversion camps or call them gr00mers.
Them homies and their silly antics.
@@sardonicus1739 Damm son you smacked amen the hell outta here into the next ice age
Or unrewrites it.
@@sardonicus1739 how does his have to do with grooming? It's happening on both ends. Adult groups trying to convert children to their warped idealogy before being able to legally make your own choices.
Tsela means side and rib in Hebrew, it depends on the context
In this I'll go with the side. Equals and all that.
Except, as he says, there is no other instances in the Old Testament that the word Tsela is translated as rib, and as he said earlier, there is already a specific proper word for rib which is ala.
@@berilsevvalbekret772 when speaking about a person , tsela is always rib
when speaking about objects / shapes , tsela is a side
it is never " half "
the translation of tsela to rib is 100% correct and accurate
- a native hebrew speaker
Same thing goes for Greek which was the original language the Bible was publiced in.
@@ZarMakoupisGeORge how? Many books in the bible were written by hebrew peophets or kings
Sounds like Eve was made from Adam’s DNA specimen.
Daniel 2:4-7:28 was written in Chaldee, or Aramaic. “Ribs” are mentioned in Daniel 7:5 and the word literally means “ribs.” The Hebrew equivalent can also mean, “side, ribs,” OR, “flooring or beam.” This is why context is taken into account when a verse is translated. If sexism was the intention of the old English translators, they’ve could’ve easily said that Eve was made from the “bottom” of Adam. Yet they knew that wasn’t applicable as the verse was describing Eve, a woman made in God’s image, not architecture. “Rib” in Genesis 2:21-22 comes from a root word that also means “to curve.” Ribs are curved.
Also, the text specifically says she was taken from “one” of “his ribs.” (Genesis 2:21). “One” can mean “one or some” in Hebrew depending on the context. “One or some of his sides” doesn’t make sense. However, “one of his ribs” does. Adam says to Eve “bone of my bone.” The word “rib” fit the bill of the entire section more than “side.” Also, ribs come from a person’s “side” anyway.
The same translation also calls Eve “helpmeet.” (Genesis 2:18). Which means that she was to be Adam’s pillar of support and strength in times of great distress, aid. Just as the ribs protect vital organs. Not something “small” or “inconsequential.” The word “help” was also used to describe the help of God and men/warriors in other verses. Meaning Eve was who God sent “to aid” Adam. There is no derogatory meaning here.
When I was feminist I read the Bible through a modern feminist lens and saw sexism where there was none, too. Thankfully I’ve come to understand that the Bible is an ancient document that defends and honors women of all classes when compared to other ancient religious works of a similar period. Modern readers need to study ancient culture before making assumptions about scripture meanings or the intentions of old translators. Many men were persecuted, brutally murdered, for trying to make the Bible available in more languages for the common people. I’m grateful to them for their perseverance and sacrifice.
Thank you for taking the time to explain the importance of context and your hermeneutics. It was helpful to see
It's because before reading the Bible the guy in this video already has a narrative that he puts up above and before everything and he uses his own self created narratives as the context to the things he see's instead of letting them speak for themselves or digging deeper into things.
It's like when people use the scripture that tells women to be submissive to there husbands but also ignore that husbands are to love their wives as Christ loved the church which means husbands should be willing to suffer and die for there wives. The problem in the 60's wasn't that women were to submissive to there husbands it was that in many cases the women felt unloved. So the solution should've been to encourage men to love there wives instead of pushing women to be independent and separate themselves from family.
It doesn't take much to completly change how you see a thing and how a small differnce can make big differnces in the solutions and narratives are one of the biggest causes of misunderstandings so in learning things in general especially morale lessons or things with emotions behind them it's important to question the narrative behind the thing.
Another example of a narrative people just look over in arguments is in abortion. The reason abortion is wrong can be shown before any argument about whether it's a baby or not or if it's murder by showing the narrative. The narrative behind abortion is that people don't want families and disdain the idea of being bound by responsibility and when you get down to it they want to sacrafice it for there own hedonistic desires and want for riches and if it wasn't for this narrative then you wouldn't see nearly as many people ardently defending or accepting abortion. There might be some arguments for rape or X or Y situations but though those situations suck they still boil down to the same thing.
@@Name-nq7tj I love your response as well as those of the primary author. This is the main 'bone' of contention! The bible was and never is misogynistic!
Looks like we got down to the bare bone in this topic lol
One of his sides doesn’t make sense? Like stop reaching
In Greek it's translated as "πλευρό" which means both side and rib.
The thing is the original old testament is written in Aramaic. And the geek translation is not the original language of the old testament. It is however the original language of the new testament.
@@shannonprice9094 The OT was overwhelmingly written in Biblical/Classical Hebrew, with only a few sections--mainly verses in Daniel and Ezra--being originally written in Aramaic. Hebrew and Aramaic are closely related but distinct languages. The Septuagint, the Koine Greek translation of the OT, was written in the 3rd century BC, so it's quite old and quite reliable. There's nothing wrong with OP's mention of the Greek word here.
@@nickelchlorine2753 In Modern Greek, it's pronounced like plevró.
You know what's funny? We call ribs a 'side' in English too. When you order ribs we say 'a side of ribs'.
In French, we say côte (rib) and côté (side)
“Eve was not taken out of Adam's head to top him, neither out of his feet to be trampled on by him, but out of his side to be equal with him, under his arm to be protected by him, and near his heart to be loved by him.”
- Matthew Henry
This is exactly what ran through my head when I was listening to this. I'm so glad you posted it. ❤❤❤
Ok, but like, I'm not interested, so... Should I give back this rib?
@@popejaimie just eat it lol
Damn... That's Peak ngl
@@popejaimie No one cares
We learned the rib translation… but I always remember that my pastor would say “ side” also…. I understood that Adam and Eve technically are the same beings ie “ one body” “ and for this reason, a man leave his mother and his father and cleave ( which was taught “shackled “) and they shall be “one flesh”
“ I and my father are one, you see me, you have seen the father”. To me that is to emulate the kind of unity God edifies … That husband and wife be so unified, that it is like they are the same person.. when you see one, you can see their partner within in them….
Forgive us Lord for not honoring marriage in the way it was intended..
There is an Irish poem that’s like “woman was not made from the foot to be stepped on, nor the head to be above man, but the rib to be by his side” 💀 the use of rib still conveys a similar understanding.
Bro, it's litterally in the bible women are subject to their husband's and fathers
@@MegaMackproductions quote it
@TheCat 3 ephesians 5: 22 Let women be subject to their husbands, as to the Lord:
23 Because the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ is the head of the church. He is the saviour of his body.
@@MegaMackproductions thanks
@@MegaMackproductions the Bible can seem hypocritical when it comes to men vs women, but I have some insight. It says that women are subject to their husbands and fathers, however, this does not mean they are not equal. Remember that men are expected to give their lives in place if their wives and provide for them. Life sucked for everyone back then and men and women were perfectly equal in that regard. Equal and different
At my Catholic school they taught us that the rib was on the center of the body, that symbolized equality. She wasn't made from his foot (symbolizing subservience) or his Skull (symbolizing superiority), she was made from the middle.
But that explanation would prohibit use of trendy buzzword a throwing shade on our "primitive" ancestors. Honestly, whatever the intention was, it only made me hate this channel.
The rib protects a man's heart, the hole in his chest to make Eve, has such incredible symbolism on so many profound ways, speaking so much as to how important a woman is to her husband on so many levels, how much he needs her, how vulnerable he is to her...
The lvl of actual misogyny in this video is whats amazing, how ignorant the content is is absolutely astounding.
I was taught the same.
@@KrakenIsMahB?
Oh yeah, that's good. Also the rib protects our most vital organs.
That's pretty interesting, because in my culture even using the rib translation we use it as a way to express equality since ribs are kind of in your side
Yeah, I think you only take from it that women are inferior if you're already inclined to believe that, I've only read versions who translate that part as rib, but it never made me think less of women.
@Enrater 123 I wouldn’t even be able to count the number of times I’ve heard evil men use the rib cage idea in order to assert superiority over women. It’s the sort of misogyny that’s ingrained in our society, you don’t have to be actively thinking about it for the effects to not be there
@@enrater123 You don't, but other people who already feel superior to women use that as an argument. God created the men first and the women are only an incomplete part from a man, who are excluded from the entire bible's story and don't get any representation as something important for who they are or what they do except for birthing children or making God mad by eating forbidden apples. Imagine that's literally your gender's description for thousand of years in the most important literature work of the world. Humiliating, isn't it?
this dude is a problem with today society and promoting the division between men and women. nothing about the story of Eve promotes misogyny. this is just propaganda for views and likes
Yeah, same here.. this was just some weird virtue signaling.
Love your videos on Bible translations!
I remember a quote that said, "The woman came out of a man's rib, not from his feet to be walked on, and not from his head to be superior, but from his side to be equal. Under the arm to be protected, and next to the heart to be loved."
So whether the translation isn't exactly correct, I still see Eve coming from Adam's rib no more or less than being equal to man. For both man and woman are made in the image of God.
my thoughts exactly. i feel like this guy is making an issue out of a non issue.
nicely done. appreciate you.
This comment deserve to be pinned 👍🏻
Yeah, that's how I've seen it. Not what my translation says, but it never gave off a feeling of meaning the man was superior. I even recall many translations that use rib also call Adam and Eve equals. So it wouldn't even work to call women inferior anyways.
I guess it beats being made of dust. Still, the story makes women out to be an afterthought.
Here's the way it was taught to me:
"Woman was created from the rib of man to be beside him, not from his head to top him, nor from his feet to be trampled by him, but from under his arm to be protected by him; near to his heart to be loved by him."
I can dig it; love my wife!
That's so cute. I like this version best.
That’s beautiful!
Be careful, this can be construed as being sexist or misogynistic
Not by me though, this is cute and probably holds some truth to it.
That sounds good. If you've spent anytime on planet earth, a woman wants to be the boss.
"The woman was made of a rib out of the side of Adam; not made out of his head to rule over him, nor out of his feet to be trampled upon by him, but out of his side to be equal with him, under his arm to be protected, and near his heart to be beloved."
- Matthew Henry
Wow sounds misogynistic
No, it was the rib because only the rib of all bones grows back. But the sentiment is nice.
@@michaelcowin6442 Huh?
@@raithryn6427 Huh?
@@agellidmalik It's a joke
I’ve studied this and another explanation is that I the rib is at the middle of the body, not like the foot or the head. So, according to many commentators from different centuries, it would actually defend this idea of equality between the man and the woman
If you say something dumb with enough confidence, everyone will take you as an expert
This clowns a male feminist. Not even a real male. Might as well transition to the other side at this point.
Spot on!
So, the Bible....
@@KrishmanyuThakur no
@@krizthecookingbeaner2567 yes
I had a sub teacher tell the class that men have one less rib because of this in middle school
I used to believe the same thing. Lol As if getting a leg amputated would somehow make your children not have that leg either.
Oh wait, just realized they taught me this in my Christian school when I was younger. Gotta start cross referencing with google about facts from my childhood 😅
🤣
He was stupid
It's crazy how easy it is to disprove that, men and women have the same amount of ribs, but people still hold onto that "fact"
'ala' (עלע) is actually just the aramaic cognate- the corresponding word descended from the same origin- of hebrew s̹ela' (צלע) (modern pronunciation 'tsela'). The ribs are called that in hebrew because they are on the sides of the body. This so-called "mistranslation" is very possible from the original text, it's just that most jewish sages indeed interpret it to mean "side", like you said.
maybe adam was bi and god wanted to split it out so he took one of his side and made eve?
@@flux9433Considering the story of Sodom and Gomorrah, I highly doubt that. Plus, God made everything that was good, and sin comes from Satan, so God wouldn't have made Adam bi, especially if it's considered a sin.
@@twinnedstar5515 except being Bi is inherently natural and therefore cannot be a sin.
Unless of course you‘re a desert-dwelling sheep-herder that has no clue about nature
but as he said in the video, there is a specific word for rib so if they wanted to say 'rib', why not use the correct word? Still don't get it?
@@twinnedstar5515 considering your words, is clear u actually never read the Bible, especially THE ORIGINAL HEBREW ONE. Sodoma and Gomorrah was destroyed because they doesn't accepted the law of Yahwe, nothing to do with luxury and bisex things, all made up by church to fight omos. Sin comes from Satan? muhuahuah, Satan comes from God, a super stupid God incapable to delete Satan, on the contrary, he created satan, he turned him the king of hell, all made by your beloved God. 2nd: God made everything good? Really??? What about RULING SLAVERY?
In Quran God says “And from amongst His signs is that He created for you mates from among yourselves, so that you may dwell in tranquility with them” [30:21]
In grade school I had a boy tell me that men had one less rib than women because of the story. I called BS because I had seen actual human skeletons, both male and female, and knew that they had the same number of ribs. My dad was a science teacher and let me see the skeletons in the biology lab. We counted the number of ribs, probably for this exact purpose. Naturally the boy told me I was wrong because this is what he learned in Sunday school and I would know that if I went to Sunday school. This eventually devolved into a fuurious first grade.shouting match in front of the merry-go-round resulting in us being separated and having to stand by the wall for the rest of recess. I was pretty indignant over it all. Dad found it humorous and told I was right.
Ribs if cut perfectly can regrow in about 6 months
Jesus Christ is real and just because we have the same amount of ribs doesn't change anything
@@LambGoatSoup it changes a LOT! Especially if the bible is supposed to be infallible.
@@LambGoatSoup jesus was friends with prostitutes dude he treated men and women equally
@@w8m4n So if I lose a finger, my offspring will have one less finger?
My understanding was that Eve was formed from Adam's side because she's meant to be his partner, his companion. If she were supposed to be subordinate, she would be created from his foot or his leg. And if the man were subordinate, Eve would have come out of his head or something weird like that.
PERFECT
That was from a poem that circulated a few decades ago.
Off the top of my head, that's what I remember! 😁
Fun fact, this interpretation is really ancient. It goes back at least to St. John Chrysostom, if not earlier.
Exactly
Was just about to comment this. Glad other people know of it this train of thought.
Actually, I've known this as both 'side' and 'rib', and I've always learnt that this could be to symbolise them actually being equals
To be honest, one very good part of the Bible is how you interpret it. Some might say that the rib is just “small and unimportant” but you have to keep in mind that it is vital in protecting all of your important organs like the heart and lungs. I would interpret the act of Adam giving up a rib for Eve as symbolic to show that he is giving up a part of himself guarding his heart and giving this protective bone to Eve, as in to protect her. Whatever other interpretations can be made but this is again one of my favorite things about the Bible, individual interpretation.
Look at chromasomes
The word is rib.
As a guy that speaks hebrew, I can easily tell that the word tsela simply just has double meaning:
It can mean a rib, or a side of ageometric shape, like a square, triangle or a polygon.
People like you are important,never stay quiet pls.
Its common for people to pull up lexicons are debate, but this guy was caught lying multiple times.
Like now he chose the translation he prefered.
He doesn't understand that if its accurate then it was probably done for a reason, even if uncommon
Also using logic when one says "my side hurts." You know pretty much what part of the body they're referring to. But, some people will do anything to dismantle religion.
I wonder what this guy thinks when he reads your comment. “Damn they got me.” Or “oh, I’m just dumb.”
@@KaiserXionTV can you take a singular "side" of a person when the "side" is just an area of the body?
What does “ala” mean and why are there two ways to say rib?
“tiny insignificant rib” give me your ribs then
That was sarcasm in context of the mistranslation of the Hebrew text 🤦♀️
@@MiracleWinchester r/woosh
Rib, not ribs. You can live just fine without a rib or two. A whole side? Not so much.
Every single time I’ve been taught this verse it’s that the woman was formed out of a rib - coming from his side and close to his heart -> equal and loved
I’ve always been taught that woman was equal because of the rib and that if woman were lesser, they’d have been made from his foot; and if woman were greater they’d have been made from his head
Troll.
In modern Arabic (and Ancient Syrian) it is "Dhelaa", which means rip, and also the chest side, or the sides of a geometric shape (triangle, square ...). In Gen--Z modern Iraqi accent it is also a romantic word to mean you are close to my heart.
I love this! Those are some moving words. Never thought of it like that before. I love learning.
Also fun fact, if the rib is removed, it can fully grow back as long as a certain part isnt destroyed.
That is adorable
@@thomassmith2348what??no wayy😮
We have some tribes in Saudi Arabia say the same.
Interesting video, but can I just take a moment to vent that I *really hate* the trend of formatting TH-cam shorts so that the end dovetails back into the beginning. It's not an effective loop, nobody *wants* to watch these things repeatedly, all it does is create a moment of frustrated disorientation when it gets to the end and I watch the first sentence at the beginning again before I realize "Oh, it's looped aorund now."
The fact that youtube shorts repeat without asking is *already* annoying, you don't have to make it worse.
Adam was literally made from dust
No he literally wasn't
@@alexwalden2443 what do you mean?
@@alexwalden2443lol he was
Exactly! Lol
Made from dust... yes he was.
The translation is correct. "Tsela" is the Hebrew word for rib, and also for one of the 4 sides of a square.
This proves God helped Elon invent Tesla. 😂
@@herobands1 are you dyslexic?
Phew! I'm so glad Lavie knows better than scholars bc Lavie is still mis0ngystic & just can't stand having women be equal in any ideal.
@@niccooper7007 well I'm a native Hebrew speaker so I should know
@@lavie8969 oof didn’t see that coming. 😂🍿🍿🍿
Kinda makes me think of the Greek story that humans used to be 2 headed, four armed, four legged beings, and Zeus split them because he feared their power
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Yeah, it's from "Symposium", a satire written by Plato, in case anyone wants to look it up.
@@arekpetrosian4965 yo. Thanks for the info. Never heard of that lore before.
Used to be interested in myths. ❤
@@sir.raphimrevelator8644 My pleasure! I ran across it a few years ago, and found it really amusing. Glad to share the info!
Actually, in Genesis 2:22, the Hebrew word used is haṣ·ṣê·lā which can be either rib or side depending on the context of the passage.
I'm definitely not a rib, I'm a whole ham
Oh Olivia.
Hehe
You really don't want to be a Ham, Ham is the Butt, this Boy is a Idiot, read the Bible your self. there is nothing misogynistic about it, he lies like a Tick Riddled dog
So ur fat??
You are what you eat 🤣
1. In modern hebrew צלע means rib (usually)
2. My bible teacher from 8th and 9th grade wrote an article about that and he suggested that before Eve was created Adam hed 2 front sides, instead of one front and one back, were the back is supposed to be there was what I call "the Eve front"
3. Daniel isn't really written in hebrew but in aramaic, so I suggest not to use it as an argument about hebrew
EDIT: I know modern and biblical hebrew are different. I didn't try to say that in biblical hebrew צלע means rib too. I just wanted to say that many hebrew speakers today think only on this interpretation so it is important for hebrew speakers to know that too. Thanks for all the comments and like, and feel free to correct spelling and grammar mistakes
As an Israeli I approve this
Am confused 😮2 front sides?
Just on your first point, with the way languages evolve I wouldn't put to much emphasis on modern meanings of words, and with the importance of the Torah and later the Bible I would assume that this (mis)translation has largely contributed to the modern Hebrew translation.
@@Lesrocheschic I find it really hard to explain in English, I'm so sorry
@@vcvcvc9216 yeah I know, I just wanted to point that out
Okay ribs are not insignificant tho , they literally protect all your vital organs
One rib is pretty insignificant. Especially compared to a half of your body.
Ok and it’s literally on your side..
What's your point. In comparison to half a body, it's pretty insignificant lol
Women are meant to protect vital organs.
@@tay6900try broke a rib and tell me how insignificant that rib is
Complimentary is perfect wording. Thank you
As in Hebrew speaker I can tell you got a bit confused a tzela is a rib but in geometry it’s a side of a shape for example you could call a side of a triangle a tzela but outside of math usually tzela is rib
Hebrew speaker here as well just confirming @rgamzon is right
Does this also imply equity, as two oxen yoked side by side? Eve is not under foot, or from more “modest” area, nor even “under the hand” (sub- mit).
So, tsela is “side”, not “single rib” … BUT not misogynistic.
@@LanwoqoqznwkwoYou do realize that the bible was originally written in hebrew, right?
You know what you call the old testament aka the Torah was written in hebrew right?@@Lanwoqoqznwkwo
I think it might be symbolic for his other "half"
I always heard that Eve was made from a rib bone to be equal to him, not from his foot (as to be below him) or from his head (to be above him) but that could easily be a modern take.
well, people can believe in whatever they want, even in unicorns. people just want to believe in what suits them.
I had alway heard the same. She was to be by his side and he was to protect her. They are basically equals Eve’s biology gives her the power to create life. Adams’s biological differences means he is meant to also protect her. They are supposed to work in unison.
It's not that modern of a take. That's from Matthew Henry's commentary. He lived in the 1600s.
Ribs have the ability to regenerate and also hold high quality DNA, the annunaki knew what they were doing when they created us although they did make mistakes and left lots of junk in our DNA.
@@SheffieldBornAndBredChristians are less delusional than you are m8.
I say this as an atheist.
“The woman was made of a rib out of the side of Adam; not made out of his head to rule over him, nor out of his feet to be trampled upon by him, but out of his side to be equal with him, under his arm to be protected, and near his heart to be beloved.”
Well said
@@GreenSt bruh where do ribs come from
Do you know where the quote comes from? I’d like to know the source. I’ve been looking for this for a long time!
@@lissybyrd5703 Matthew Henry's bible commentary
@@lissybyrd5703 Matthew Henry 🙂
I love how in French we just like. Never know which one it’s supposed to be. Cause a rib is côte, and side is côté, and so as we don’t read it by ourselves, and hear regularly the mistranslations arguments, it’s lost in a fog of unclear memories.
Thanks for the clarification
"Eve was not taken out of Adam's head to top him, neither out of his feet to be trampled on by him, but out of his side to be equal with him, under his arm to be protected by him, and near his heart to be loved by him."
This is not a quote from the bible.
@ChillAndSketch , not, but it is a popular quote from the Jews, later used by the Catholics and again by the Protestants.
@@sarahganger953 meaning it's irrelevant here
@@ChillAndSketch, it's as relevant or more relevant than the OP's opinion.
@@sarahganger953 ok, I get you
I was taught that eve was made from his rib because it places her, and women in general, not by his feet to be trodden upon, not by his head to be higher then but under his arm to be protected by his heart to be loved and by his side to be his equal.
that what i was taught to
Yep same and also taught the definition of help-meet and what it meant to be one flesh
That’s lovely.
Feminist revisionism, taking concepts and twisting them to fit a the narrative to keep women feeling lesser and hated
So you were taught women need to be protected by men? Interesting.
So basically, Marika is Radagon. Gotchu
okay so i've been playing elden ring for the past month and this comment is under rated XD
Hahaha, genius xd ❤
well, if you look at him closely...
dammit I was 7 days too late to this
thought these were anime characters
We learned in my art history class the other day that there are few paintings (prof said maybe 4) of the Temptation which show guilt equally between both Adam and Eve. The story goes that EVE was the first to fall to the temptation, and therefore she takes all the blame, as Adam would supposedly not fallen if she hadn't. This is historically a justification for the mistreatment of women, from barring them from owning property to mandating a societal dress code (women must wear a hat or veil).
Of the few paintings that depict BOTH Adam and Eve at fault is Michelangelo's rendition of the story on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.
Michelangelo, who often modeled his women very handsomely and muscular, while also modeling many of his men to be slender and delicate. Michelangelo, who is known to have had multiple male lovers!
Anyways! At the time, suggesting that Adam held the same amount of blame as Eve did was a real big hot take and could've gotten him in trouble with the Papacy, for the same reasons that Eve "came from Adam's rib" rather than being his literal other half. The Bible was a book of moral law, there was no real separation of church and state, and if the Bible (which had already been translated, retranslated, edited, and otherwise vandalized to further certain social beliefs) stated that the Woman should be a second-class citizen, then that was to be upheld.
Damn, i always thought that the rib made reference to the fact that both are the same, your meat, your blood, and your bones, and both must love and care for each other because in the end they are the same.
That’s because it is people like to misinterpret. The word can be used for both rib, or side, depending on context.
Because it is.
This guy is a drama queen..
Because people love to ignore that
That's traditionally what it is meant by. No room for misogyny nor misandry.
I was told that Eve was created from the rib, close to the heart, so Adam was not to rule over her, not to be ruled by her, but could love her.
Or could roast her on a grill and consume her with barbecue sauce!
He sees mysoginy everywhere he goes. He can be safely ignored.
@@Hopetoheaven80that would imply that god doesn’t love us all equally it’s a cruel and unnecessary punishment to cause me to endure pain for someone I don’t know 🤷🏻♀️ but that is just me
@@woodworking_fusion Yes because not everybody is a sola scriptura protestant. The bible is not an unambiguous rulebook and interpretations can be made, tradition and apostolic lineage is half of what guides non-protestant faiths, but even so, because of the varying interpretations of the bible, neither can just be assumed to be correct without taking into consideration other contextual clues throughout the bible.
The rest of the bible says otherwise. This was most likely said to you by an older lady in church who is filled to the brim with wishful thinking.